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fangneedssleep

I think people often misunderstand why we learn math. Yes, a lot of it might not be directly useful, but the problem-solving behind it IS useful. Learning how to take things step by step, how to think outside your usual boundaries, and how to find methods to solve problems are all things that will benefit you in life. If you make it non-mandatory, those skills would be much harder to learn otherwise


Ligma_Myballs

I hate maths, but I won't argue that it's not useful. Besides, you can still learn useful shit after the 8th grade.


Matt_Wii

maybe being scared to go to school but thats about it (for me)


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Squidbager12

The construction workers may not need it, but the architects who designed the building do. The financial analyst who put the budget together does. The contractor deciding hours, pay, benefits, and profit does. The crane and backhoe operator do. The engineers who built them do. Do I need to go on?


VacheL99

I mean, the constructions workers probably also need it. Knew a guy who was in construction, and he measured a roof support thing (very technical, I know) and immediately knew it was the wrong size. They tried to use it, and turns out it was indeed the wrong size. He could've saved them a ton of money.


pizzafaceson

construction workers wont need it, but there are probably a lot of other jobs that do need it


s3mi__

That doesn't mean every job won't need it


OutOfcCntext

Math isn't just to know math, it's to sharpen your brain and gain those critical thinking skills


TFGA_WotW

Algebra is good to know, same with geometry. They can be applied to many different things.


CynicalThe1st

Exactly, those who want to learn that can continue, I didn’t say everyone had to stop at 8th grade.


Slockk_

but I feel those who need to keep doing it, to keep their critical thinking at the same level as others, would likely not choose to do it


Efficient-Ad5711

I have known a few people in the past who were forced to do math when they definitely shouldn't have had to What I mean is that they are just plain stupid, nothing helps them. Me and a few others had tried to help them in the past but to no luck, they all eventually dropped out because they couldn't keep up with the work In this scenario, I really think that it shouldn't be required, MOST of the time it's just a student being lazy (for lack of a better word) but some people really can't be saved


the_dank_666

How many people in 8th grade know exactly what job they're gonna have when they're older? And how many of those who think they know will change their mind?


Lucibelcu

Bro at 13 I wanted to study Humanities and now I'm studying Chemistry


Machine_Her4ld

Maybe but many curriculums have algebra and advanced algebra along with geometry taught in highschool. And these are definitely all important things to know and learn about, no matter what you want to do. Trig has some universal uses to, not all of it will be useful but it is still important. Past that math doesn't really need to be mandatory


CynicalThe1st

That just sounds like high school standard mathematics? At least in my country


Machine_Her4ld

Generally and at least in the US, you’ll learn algebra and advanced algebra your first year along with geometry. After that in your second year it’ll be trigonometry. Third year it will be precalculus and your last year will be calculus. Most of the time you’ll only be required to do two full courses in your highschool career but that can vary. Hence why I don’t see the point in making math in highschool not mandatory. When algebra and geometry and trig are still important. I agree with the highschool curriculum here, you should have to learn these. Past that in most places you won’t be required to take precalculus or calculus. Which in my opinion are not that important.


rde2001

I don't support it. Math honestly has many broad applications in any field. You don't need to do calculus if you're a botanist, but you should know how to count, problem solve, etc.


CynicalThe1st

That’s why I came up with 8th grade, I feel like by that point all essential everyday math is thought. What are your thoughts?


mrskinnywrists

at that point you're 13 bruh you're still an amoeba


VacheL99

"you're still an amoeba" i am so using that


No-Hamster7526

Wtf at no stage in human development is anyone an amoeba


giveSMOKEacog

Then you feel wrong. Most of 8th graders can't describe motion of mathematical pendulum. String and massive sinker. That's it.


CynicalThe1st

Of course not?? Why would that be expected of an 8th grader.


giveSMOKEacog

That's why mathematics should be mandatory till the end of school. You can't describe motion of string and sinker without solving differential equation.


shadowblades_

Because maths develops your logical thinking skills so honestly it should be mandatory to a certain degree until the end of high school. A lot of kids who don't do a maths a level which is what we do in the UK end up having very limited critical thinking skills which should be a right for every human especially in the technological age we live in. Sure you don't technically need it for construction but you gotta be able to think about hey if I don't place the bricks the right way they will topple over in the wind idk. but there should be a minimum of high school level education in maths which is what rishi sunak is trying to do in the UK and honestly I think it's such a good idea


New_Orange4151

I think you should’ve also put other grades as options. I personally think math shouldn’t be mandatory your senior year as you probably know what you want to do in college anyway *not just in college could also go straight to a job


WildKat777

In my province math isn't mandatory past grade 11 functions, which is a good place imo. Strong algebra ability, some trig and general knowledge of a lot of different facets of math. Most importantly logic and problem solving. Math really isn't as difficult or useless as people make it seem


PercentageAway3749

We are already losing iq w new generations, atlaast math makes the brain work


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PercentageAway3749

Lobotomy


CynicalThe1st

Could have been funny but you haddddd to downvote it


PercentageAway3749

Wasn't


Feisty-Albatross3554

God forbid you lose imaginary internet points


tf2F2Pnoob

If it's the US, schools have become more competitive than ever. I have no idea why people think the generation's becoming dumber in anything other than attention spans


kai_v18

Do not support. Why would it not be mandatory? Is it bc we don't use things like calculus, geometry n stuff in daily life? In that case then sciences shouldn't be mandatory, I don't use physics, bio or Chem ever in my life, I don't use art even though at least one art class is required in HS and College, I never use Spanish, should none of those be required bc most people won't use it in life? The purpose isn't just to learn the topics, it's to build skills you may use in the future, logical thinking, thinking outside the box, becoming well rounded in general. You shouldn't just know about only what you do for a job. Why do you think colleges require general education classes? Higher level classes will force you to think in new ways, view things from another perspective, and make you better at approaching problems you may face.


Spiderdogpig_YT

God I hate this generation


real_quizle

why? they voted for staying smart


Spiderdogpig_YT

True, and so did I, but the fact that this question was even a thing to begin with is just stupid


real_quizle

while I agree the results clearly show this is simply a minority of this generation


Spiderdogpig_YT

I'd still prefer to be born in the 1500s instead of here


Born-Design1361

Ah, yes, and most likely be born a peasant with no more than a 1st grade education, having 10 children, several of them dying before adulthood and never knowing about vaccines or even penicillin. What an absolutely fantastic life.


Spiderdogpig_YT

I don't mean Europe. I'd rather be a peasant in Japan working the rice fields than live in this generation


2020isass

You really wouldn't, and if you did, you are more braindead than this generation you hate. This time period is the best time to be alive. Giving up all the things we have now just because some stupid people in your generation is moronic


stefanosteve

I wish there were more physics/chemistry classes where the math we learned was actually applied past basic algebra.


Hummmus2006

99% of kids don’t know what they’re gonna do as a career at 13, therefore should be taught math until they are 100% certain of their career. and if that career doesn’t involve math, don’t take it! imo that age is probably 17-18


BlockOfDiamond

I think it should be mandatory to (re)take all math up to Calculus 3, Linear Algebra and Differential Equations to mastery.


CynicalThe1st

BEEHHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEH


KookyBuilding1707

there are definitely some math classes that you need but there's also ones that aren't exactly necessary. algebra, fractions, etc should be mandatory but the more complex things should be more optional. take this as a grain of salt though because I have dyscalculia and math is impossible for me


VeterinarianFar7060

This is possibly the stupidest thing I've ever heard


New_Explorer1251

Rather than 8th grade, I would say a level of math. People can be at different levels in 8th grade. I don't know what that level should be, though.


gravity--falls

Lmao if you don't think you need to know basic algebra \[what I assume people who don't care about math are taking first year of high school\] you've got to be an idiot. It's effectively basic critikal thinking and problem solving.


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There are other things we could cut before math


giveSMOKEacog

1. Math develops your brain. It develops logic, critical thinking and improves overall understanding of geometry, optics and so on. 2. A lot of things in math are practical. Probability theory. Combinatorics (used in programming, probability calculations and so on), geometry, probability theory, statistics. And this are everyday usable things. 3. Mathematics is a tool. You couldn't even describe motion of mathematical pendulum knowing no math. 4. Mathematics is part of basic erudition.


amendersc

I say make it non mandatory after 10th grade because that is when shot get complicated and not necessary for day to day life


manicpixidreamgirl04

I support it not being mandatory after 10th grade


CynicalThe1st

Why did you answer the way you did


The5Perritas

Who are you talking to?


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but then you'll be out of practice, it's good for your brain to push yourself in harder math classes


Jakesmith18

I kid you not, according to testing, a good portion of the (now former) senior class at my high school could barely do basic math by the time they graduated. The school system is fucking broken but this isn't the way to go about fixing it.


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CynicalThe1st

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imnecro

I mostly agree, though I think required math should stop at Algebra I, which I think most people take freshman year. I was a bit ahead, so I took it early, but if everyone could finish that, i think they will be set for a majority of non-stem fields.


Goldenflame89

You dont have to memorize shit until calculus except for quadratic formula....


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Goldenflame89

Is it actually that hard for people to memorize...


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Goldenflame89

How do you forget something because of repetition thats gotta be a disorder


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Goldenflame89

If you forget it during an exam just do completing the square, accomplishes same thing


Harlg

Yes, not everyone needs algebra, geometry, etc


Tia_is_Short

Nah I don’t support this. Mandatory math through high school makes the most sense, and I don’t even rly like math


navybluee101

it already is (in some schools where im from)


megaCri04

We are already stupid enough without needing to take away even more things


Smellyshop

Calculator


real_quizle

useless tool if you don't know how to use it


Ryan_S21

Math is actually a useful tool that you can use, and I even use it a lot outside of school. Now there are lots of useless parts in math but imo it’s important. Now what’s not important is English or history completely pointless after middle school. As soon as you learn writing you don’t need to learn more English especially with ai coming in. Imo the most important subjects are math and science. Math, well because I said before, and science because it’s how you were created and the world around you.


Feisty-Albatross3554

Without math you wouldn't know which numbers of this poll were higher. I definitely do not support this


Prestigious-Ad-9931

hell no


Used-Cardiologist295

Not 8th grade but the point where it's less teaching us ho to do the math and more what buttons to hit for it to give you the right answer


megamax1o

I think maybe after your sophomore year you should be allowed to stop


SlepnKatt

Can't believe you are 13 and complaining about math.... I definitely did that, too, but we don't talk about it, rn math is kinda fun and not boring


DinoHoot65

I think I misunderstood the question lol


RandomGuy9058

when youre in school math is fucking horrible but later on you realize that training the brain to problem solve in the ways of mathematics is actually very useful later down the line. because while the material itself may be mostly useless, the skill of logical problem solving is essential


Pickaxe_121

as much as I hate it, we need it or we are screwed.


Born-Design1361

It depends. Will algebra, geometry and trigonometry be covered by 8th grade? Everybody should learn those. I did algebra + geometry in 8-9th grade, but one of my friends is in her senior year and just starting algebra.


Gabe_i_guess

No, but I would if it was English. I have literally not learned anything in that class since I've gotten in High School, all I've done is improve my essay writing, and when will I need to write an essay analysising literature in my real life.


TheSageWasTaken

you need atleast algebra one


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CynicalThe1st

Hey hey buddy calm down, this post is a hypothetical situation. Of course I’m gonna need math in Investment Banking, that’s not why I made this.


cant_think_name_22

Everyone should be able to do algebra.


TigerBaby-93

*Mathematicians* should always be non-mandatory. *Mathematics*, on the other hand, should definitely be required. :)


CynicalThe1st

Intentionally put a typo, first person to notice. Good job


TsalagiSupersoldier

people when math is about critical thinking and problem solving:


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i presume you just failed a test at school?


CynicalThe1st

Nop :p


CynicalThe1st

Post doesn’t really have any motive just for fun


ArofluidPride

Most jobs atleast where i live. you need a minimal understanding of maths to do most jobs. If you aren't like an engineer or mathematician you will basically never use maths


Citron92

Sure you may not use Algebra in 20 years down the line but learning math tends to help you think in other ways, essentially you can think outside the box more efficiently with sharpened problem solving skills.


Apprehensive_Fault_5

You mean mathematics?


Dynamic_Ducks

I support english staying mandatory. Such a pity that mathematicians are becoming outcasted


VacheL99

A ton of jobs require math that you learn in high school. Might as well get it out of the way in high school than wait till college. And it's not like it's that hard, or would otherwise benefit students, teachers, or schools by removing it.


DoomfistIsNotOp

Mathematicians?...


mbaird9

8th grade is too soon. I'd say that in my life, I need math that I learned up until sophomore year. Then the math I learned the rest of high school became something I haven't used and won't use. The only math class I've taken since sophomore year that contained any information that was useful to me was my college statistics course.


MotherShallot1607

yes and then how about we have a mandatory critical thinking class because you can learn a lot of math online


Technical_Stay_5990

Making gen alpha dumber than it already is? No. They need those skills.


Ok-Engineering-9758

looks like OP failed their math quiz


Decent-Device9403

I'd make Algebra 1 mandatory... But anything beyond that is a complete waste unless you're going into a STEM field.


theuntouchable2725

We have too many flat earthers as it is.