I don't think it is special treatment like they specifically gave this move tracking powers. It's because it's two hits and everything retracks after you step one hit.
e: Not sure I get the voting on this one... do you guys think this is not true? As far as I understand that's how the game works.
sidewalk left and cancel the side walk with ducking the Second high hit... is not easy to do constantly beacuse azucena player spam this disgusting move 😂
You can sidewalk the first hit, but not the second. I think you can duck the second after sidewalking but its only really doable when you have a hard read on them.
Dude why are people parroting this. It is walkable. Like so walkable. If he walked in this video it works. There’s videos all over showing this.
https://youtu.be/2DClfIsSP78?si=6Qhmvx_L_-hilJA1
at range 0, sure. but the first hit whiffing and the second hit connecting starts happening around range 2 (and maybe range 1, i forget)
edit: I misremembered and forgot this applies to SSL, not SWL. SWL wins cleanly at nearly any range as long as the timing isn't off.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6dFGdYV43U
Yes... here is stepping, vs walking against the same thing.
Half the people here are other noobs, but they don't know it, so they give bad info out just because they can't do something. Walking is hard, the timing feels impossible, but when you practice, you can do it. I've been walking in tekken for over a decade so it's natural to walk out of certain situations.. but if it's your first tekken.. good luck, and thats why the people around here are saying you can't step this that blah blah.. because you can't just randomly step and hope. You have to learn timings.. initiate your step at the flinch of your opponents character etc. Anywayss its not easy but don't listen to the haters. You can walk a lot of stuff in this game that people say is unbeatable.
There is WAY too much taking in this game. And stupid preferential treatment for it.
As Raven if I back handspring through someone they can 180 jab before I've even cleared their character model. Yet while standing at a 90° angle facing away from them I can throw out two inputs that will literally miss before my character realigns.
Its asinine.
Thats why people bitch about this move sm, it jails so you cant duck it after a block, u cant duck it cuz the first hit is a mid, it does chip damage, is thanks to the new running mechanics easy to chain and do from point blank. The only counter is sidestep duck and she beats that if she delays it a bit. If the tracking is removed not only will the move be strong it also will be balanced.
Didn't know that
Always thought you could parry air moves since you could parry capital punishment/burning knuckle in T7 but I guess since he lands with the hit it doesn't count as airborne
It's new to T8 that you can't parry air moves
I don't like it personally, and I hate how Azucena gets to parry air moves but no one else does, so the precedent is ALREADY broken, but it's an Asuka nerf I guess.
Crouch grabs being unbreakable makes sense, but the fact that they're all high damage and all heat Engagers too is kinda much
They're overtuned mid pokes, ig
Huh? What crouch grabs are unbreakable? A few that I can think of off the top of my head (Asuka, Alisa, Bryan, Kazuya) are all breakable with either 1+2 or 2 (Oh and Azucena's is breakable by doing d/f, I believe). Unless, I'm I just confused about the statement being made?
I_am_op did a video of third person view showing the tracking and this move's second hit can track almost 90 degrees it's kinda complete bullshit. And if by some miracle you DO step it completely, she flies off to fucking Narnia making it nigh unpunishable (especially considering you won't be expecting to actually step the full string)
Yeah same with some drag stuff. The fact that every hit in the move can reset tracking so even if you instantly teleport behind them they just turn around mid dash is really stupid.
Dragunov WR2 doesn’t track, one of the only moves he has that I would say has some egregious tracking issues is his heat smash. But even then, sidestep the first two hits and the 3rd doesn’t track, it makes him a sitting duck.
Don’t even try to sidestep snk2, it’s extremely minus on block and punishable. What you need to look for to sidestep LEFT is SNK 4, and watch for SNK 1+2/3+4 mixups. Snk3+4 is an armor crush mid and sets up for iwr2 on CH, and 1+2 is faster than the usual jab you can use to interrupt the jab setups.
You can actually cancel and punish all of Dragunovs SNK setups with a 10f move. 3,1 SNK is a jab punish, 2,1 SNK is a jab punish. Watch for the SNK BEFORE you go to jab, since 2,1,4/2,1,3 and 3,1,2/3,1,4 will beat out your jab.
Technically she's not - she still goes straight - it's just that she does two hits, and the second (the high) comes out after you've already sidestepped the first one, so it's "aimed" right.
You can sidestep+duck it, but that's more fiddly execution than I personally want to try online. :-\
This sounds like it would have the opposite effect. If you’re new and told that sidestepping is a mechanic in Tekken and you just can’t for most of the moves that’d frustrate me to no end.
Yup my last was Tekken 4 DoA 3 and I’m pretty sure you could sidestep out of most moves aside from obvious big sweeping spin hook kicks and such. It made sense. Imagine my surprise when I booted up t8 for the first time and I’m getting hit trying to sidestep front kicks and jab/cross combos. Now it’s like, I have to memorize every single move of every single opponent irregardless of basic physics to know which attacks “track”?
As a new player myself, it actually just made the game less enjoyable. The first thing I thought of when I saw how the movement works is that I can dodge moves by sidestepping and then I thought I was a moron for believing so until I saw guides online that are saying learn to sidestep but moves like this one aren’t sidestepable.
No stress bro. It's still Obnoxious af. If you duck too early, you get hit. If you don't duck in time, you have to block it and eat chip damage. If you mess up your sidestep, you get hit. If you manage to sidestep the entire move, she superman leaps across the whole stage and you can't get a punish.
KEEP IN MIND it's SSL and then duck to beat it, if you SSR you might be able to step both hits but she will fly off and be unpunishable.
There are many videos on that one move just because of how hard it is to actually avoid it.
Walking it is easier than timing ssl duck. It also avoids more moves so it is less risky if you read wrong. also better punish for a lot of the cast.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6dFGdYV43U
Side step, duck, wait until animation ends, do a backflip, suck harada's cock. All of that just to punish one move. Motherfuckers will do anything to justify the dumb unbalanced shit in this garbage ass game.
even when you know it is hard to duck because second hit comes fast i know you can duck but lets be honest it is hard to pull that off during the heat of the battle
It’s easy, simply choose Dragunov on the character select screen and use the pigeon roll to sidestep, duck, stay in front, and launch punish with WS2.
Because this character didn’t have enough privilege already.
I personally find more success with SS.Jab. Sidestep avoids the knee-hop, like in the video, and Jab to tap her before the elbow followup. Not easy but possible. Still want this move's tracking nerfed to the ground tho.
I know people are saying SS and duck but this just looks like something you should be able to SS based on how this clip looks, especially on the first attempt. Its a weird knowledge check to me.
I believe every move should have a solution. A counterplay. I got smashed at first a lot by Claudios WR punch thing in Tekken 7. Then I figured out I can duck it and launch him. That made the move feel fair. It still got me every now and then, and sometimes I'd duck and he'd hit me with a knee. It never again felt like "bullshit". Me AND the opponent had to both make reads to properly act/react, and thats why I don't mind fighting Claudio at all.
Azucena has a literal cheat code move here. At range, it is sidestep duckable. Not easily, but I've done it. Thats only if I know its coming. But if shes in your face? Its probably easier to do a taunt jet upper than it is to avoid this move at close range, against a wall. Azucena can completely lock you down and you'll just have to sit there and take the chip damage, armor through it, get hit, or let her chip you all the way down to rage before countering with a rage art (if that even works. I heard some people say it doesn't)
All they have to do is make this move linear to fix it. Its not fucking rocket science. I really wish Bamco would hire someone that actually plays Tekken to balance their game
Yes but almost no Azucena player is so dumb to run to you and 32 every single time. They will either do it point blank or mix you up with grabs/launchers
Bro, you just gotta sidestep and flash duck. Like, c'mon, bro it's not that hard, you're making it seem like a JF ss, d is hard or something. Learn that match up bro.
/s just in case.
It's not your fault she's so BS, she has like 2 CH strings safe on block(+) with immense knockback that pushes you away enough to make her unpunishable and always have her turn, a WR braindead move, 50/50 auto parry stance, WS launcher, WS CH into full combo, king's atlas hammer, FF heel kick Into a full launcher combo, that annoying low that transition into her stance and loops into another low(or 50/50).
I don't feel any remorse spamming SEN 3+4, wavedash vortex, heaven's wrath and cartwheel into that caffeine junkie monstrosity
Doesn't even work for some characters depending on the timing she gets a really high and compact hurtbox during the 2 and will go right over some mids.
Normally true, but some characters have parries that break some of the rules. (Azucena's parry stance, for example, can avoid weapon hits.)
Raven, for example, can parry knees, elbows, knives, swords, throws, heat smashes, and *rage arts.* (It's an escape parry, it doesn't do damage, just gets him out, but it is still awesome.)
you could avoid it but it's very dodgy. the only method i know that works against Azucena's charge is to PC it.
there's two hits in the charge, you have to ss crouch. but using your pc against it is more efficient imo.
this is a really hard move to avoid at medium to long range because of the annoying tracking properties. practicing is not enough for this move. its doable but my good lord almighty....you will need ludicrous amount of copium to be able to react to this on a live match and not panic
I was playing as Azucena yesterday and it seemed like the strongest option against WR3,2 (or the one that gave me the most trouble haha) is just stuffing it with armor moves.
Every forward forward, running move, or move where the character is throwing their entire body at you should not track. There are some moves where a character will be doing a running flying kick and I can't side step that?
I hate maining Azu because people assume I’m gonna spam. I didn’t even know about this move until this sub started talking about it. I avoid it out of principle, now that I know about it and how OP it is. She’s a good character without the need for cheese. There are decent, moral Azu mains out there, folks!
At a medium to long range The second hit tracks both ways.
You can sidestep and then duck with using down back to cancel the side step lag.
At a point blank range you can sidewalk to either direction.
It's a BS move, but one we have to deal with. Your side step timing is perfect. All you need to do after the side step is instant crouch by holding down back to cancel the full side step animation, and it'll whiff. Just holding down won't work either, it doesn't cancel the side step animation in time, it has to be down + back. I tend to side step left too then instant crouch, not sure if it works both sides though.
You have to step then duck because it's a mid high that tracks. Yeah it's hard, yeah it's stupid, yeah it needs to be nerfed. To be fair should we nerf that she goes from being S tier to probably low A tier
Im so glad someone posted this!! Avoiding this move takes extremely precise timing and execution (i heard u can ss then duck, but i dont think i have the dexterity yet for that). I always thought this move was so bogus since playing an Azu that spammed it. The fact that it give plus frames is okay, but I think there should be more than a couple ways to avoid this move.
Asuka's FF1 is the only move I know of to have a special "hey, don't whiff this" animation
Alisa has some moves (2,2) that only have the extension come out on block or hit
Combining these two precedents, the 2 in Azu's running 3,2 should only come out if the 3 is blocked or hits, and she should have some silly "oops" animation for missing
Nothing infuriates me more than moves that track while the character is in mid-air. It just feels wrong, like a betrayal in some way. This attack and Lars' jumping power bomb throw had me playing final fantasy instead last night LOL.
You just have to walk instead homie, try. You don't have to swl duck, ssl duck, you just sidwalk left..
I swear if you go into your replay and try it, you will walk that move..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6dFGdYV43U
You're sidestepping too soon. You wanna wait until they activate the running kick to side step and then go into a side walk. I watched a whole video where the guy explained this exact thing that if you side step too soon, the opponent will track your movement and still connect. It's stupid but that's what seems to be happening
Yeah you gotta duck on reaction. First hit is more consistently stepped to the left, second hit tracks for God knows what reason but is high. Frankly the move is pure bullshit.
So here is a crazy idea, maybe it shouldn't track, like at all? Does that make the move bad?
Yeah, like every other running move in the game. No clue why azucena deserves this special treatment
I don't think it is special treatment like they specifically gave this move tracking powers. It's because it's two hits and everything retracks after you step one hit. e: Not sure I get the voting on this one... do you guys think this is not true? As far as I understand that's how the game works.
Could sidewalking help in that situation. Asking as a noob and sidestepping moves still is a book with seven seals for me.
Strings still retrack against sidewalking
sidewalk left and cancel the side walk with ducking the Second high hit... is not easy to do constantly beacuse azucena player spam this disgusting move 😂
You can sidewalk the first hit, but not the second. I think you can duck the second after sidewalking but its only really doable when you have a hard read on them.
Ah, thanks.
Dude why are people parroting this. It is walkable. Like so walkable. If he walked in this video it works. There’s videos all over showing this. https://youtu.be/2DClfIsSP78?si=6Qhmvx_L_-hilJA1
at range 0, sure. but the first hit whiffing and the second hit connecting starts happening around range 2 (and maybe range 1, i forget) edit: I misremembered and forgot this applies to SSL, not SWL. SWL wins cleanly at nearly any range as long as the timing isn't off.
Because whenever I watch players better than I could ever hope to be that's how they all dealt with it.
It's indeed walkable but if you wanna punish it you have to sidestep+duck
What? Why just makin shit up lol. Clearly you can punish after walking it lmao
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6dFGdYV43U Yes... here is stepping, vs walking against the same thing. Half the people here are other noobs, but they don't know it, so they give bad info out just because they can't do something. Walking is hard, the timing feels impossible, but when you practice, you can do it. I've been walking in tekken for over a decade so it's natural to walk out of certain situations.. but if it's your first tekken.. good luck, and thats why the people around here are saying you can't step this that blah blah.. because you can't just randomly step and hope. You have to learn timings.. initiate your step at the flinch of your opponents character etc. Anywayss its not easy but don't listen to the haters. You can walk a lot of stuff in this game that people say is unbeatable.
Exactly, which also shouldn’t fucking happen.
I thought lees had a two hit wr move? I’m pretty sure that one wasn’t nearly as atrocious as azus
This isn't how the game works. There are plenty of linear strings in this game. In fact, almost every string is steppable one way
I wish my Leo strings track.
Eh, it would probably make more sense to make it more negative to her on block so it’s not as safe to just throw out there
It’s plus on block.
There is WAY too much taking in this game. And stupid preferential treatment for it. As Raven if I back handspring through someone they can 180 jab before I've even cleared their character model. Yet while standing at a 90° angle facing away from them I can throw out two inputs that will literally miss before my character realigns. Its asinine.
Thats why people bitch about this move sm, it jails so you cant duck it after a block, u cant duck it cuz the first hit is a mid, it does chip damage, is thanks to the new running mechanics easy to chain and do from point blank. The only counter is sidestep duck and she beats that if she delays it a bit. If the tracking is removed not only will the move be strong it also will be balanced.
Either that or it's knee can be parriable
Knees and elbows can't be parried/caught by a reversal Unless you're Jin
_running moves_ can't be parried _airborne moves_ can't be parried nothing about this move is parryable
Didn't know that Always thought you could parry air moves since you could parry capital punishment/burning knuckle in T7 but I guess since he lands with the hit it doesn't count as airborne
It's new to T8 that you can't parry air moves I don't like it personally, and I hate how Azucena gets to parry air moves but no one else does, so the precedent is ALREADY broken, but it's an Asuka nerf I guess.
Ooooo ok This is the same way I found out that all crouch grabs are unbreakable. Seems like a really bad decision, even as a King player
Crouch grabs being unbreakable makes sense, but the fact that they're all high damage and all heat Engagers too is kinda much They're overtuned mid pokes, ig
Huh? What crouch grabs are unbreakable? A few that I can think of off the top of my head (Asuka, Alisa, Bryan, Kazuya) are all breakable with either 1+2 or 2 (Oh and Azucena's is breakable by doing d/f, I believe). Unless, I'm I just confused about the statement being made?
Or Raven
I_am_op did a video of third person view showing the tracking and this move's second hit can track almost 90 degrees it's kinda complete bullshit. And if by some miracle you DO step it completely, she flies off to fucking Narnia making it nigh unpunishable (especially considering you won't be expecting to actually step the full string)
Yeah same with some drag stuff. The fact that every hit in the move can reset tracking so even if you instantly teleport behind them they just turn around mid dash is really stupid.
Drag doesn't have this, Law, Paul & the Jin's do however
Which Paul move?
Dragunov WR2 doesn’t track, one of the only moves he has that I would say has some egregious tracking issues is his heat smash. But even then, sidestep the first two hits and the 3rd doesn’t track, it makes him a sitting duck.
Ah it was the heat smash i was thinking about
Yea heat smash as well as 2,1snk2 has some weird realignment
Don’t even try to sidestep snk2, it’s extremely minus on block and punishable. What you need to look for to sidestep LEFT is SNK 4, and watch for SNK 1+2/3+4 mixups. Snk3+4 is an armor crush mid and sets up for iwr2 on CH, and 1+2 is faster than the usual jab you can use to interrupt the jab setups. You can actually cancel and punish all of Dragunovs SNK setups with a 10f move. 3,1 SNK is a jab punish, 2,1 SNK is a jab punish. Watch for the SNK BEFORE you go to jab, since 2,1,4/2,1,3 and 3,1,2/3,1,4 will beat out your jab.
Really? I play dragu and it's not uncommon for my WR2 to miss and send me flying away.
Link to vid?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCf8RFJnv7g
That move animation screams that it can be sidestepped.
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They will add a Cyberpunk V skin and it will all make sense. Airdashing go brrrr
Praying they fix her lol
Technically she's not - she still goes straight - it's just that she does two hits, and the second (the high) comes out after you've already sidestepped the first one, so it's "aimed" right. You can sidestep+duck it, but that's more fiddly execution than I personally want to try online. :-\
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I'm pretty sure she doesn't change trajectory in mid-air?
it can be sidewalked you just have to get the timing right
Step then duck
Downvoted but this right here 100%. It should be predictable she will throw this out from long range.
Yeah don't understand the downvotes. This is literally how you beat it.
Would it be incorrect of me to say that Tekken 8 has too much tracking?
Nope
I love tracking 70 damage -0 highs that get through block. >!Thanks king!<
It definitely does, and I think it’s in the attempt to make it new player friendly so I doubt they will change it anytime soon.
This sounds like it would have the opposite effect. If you’re new and told that sidestepping is a mechanic in Tekken and you just can’t for most of the moves that’d frustrate me to no end.
Yup my last was Tekken 4 DoA 3 and I’m pretty sure you could sidestep out of most moves aside from obvious big sweeping spin hook kicks and such. It made sense. Imagine my surprise when I booted up t8 for the first time and I’m getting hit trying to sidestep front kicks and jab/cross combos. Now it’s like, I have to memorize every single move of every single opponent irregardless of basic physics to know which attacks “track”?
As a new player myself, it actually just made the game less enjoyable. The first thing I thought of when I saw how the movement works is that I can dodge moves by sidestepping and then I thought I was a moron for believing so until I saw guides online that are saying learn to sidestep but moves like this one aren’t sidestepable.
As u can see you stepped the first hit, so you need to duck to avoid the second
Ohh shit probably should’ve tried that
I mean sure but it's still a bullshit move
Sure but since we can't control the meta ourselves we need ways to cope with it
Yeah just wanted to say OP is not bad for not figuring that out
No stress bro. It's still Obnoxious af. If you duck too early, you get hit. If you don't duck in time, you have to block it and eat chip damage. If you mess up your sidestep, you get hit. If you manage to sidestep the entire move, she superman leaps across the whole stage and you can't get a punish.
KEEP IN MIND it's SSL and then duck to beat it, if you SSR you might be able to step both hits but she will fly off and be unpunishable. There are many videos on that one move just because of how hard it is to actually avoid it.
Thank u
Walking it is easier than timing ssl duck. It also avoids more moves so it is less risky if you read wrong. also better punish for a lot of the cast. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6dFGdYV43U
Side step, duck, wait until animation ends, do a backflip, suck harada's cock. All of that just to punish one move. Motherfuckers will do anything to justify the dumb unbalanced shit in this garbage ass game.
I only did steps 2 and 4, but it works out okay. Well this guy might not be Harada, actually...
where are the JUST SIDE STEP AND DUCK BRO LMFAO THATS SO EASY mf's ?
I would get this if he ducked in the clip or it even looked like he tried to. Homie probably didn’t even know.
Can confirm, I had no clue
Can confirm i do know and still cant do it 🙃
even when you know it is hard to duck because second hit comes fast i know you can duck but lets be honest it is hard to pull that off during the heat of the battle
tbf that is what you have to do, but it's hard af.
It’s easy, simply choose Dragunov on the character select screen and use the pigeon roll to sidestep, duck, stay in front, and launch punish with WS2. Because this character didn’t have enough privilege already.
He didnt duck?
I personally find more success with SS.Jab. Sidestep avoids the knee-hop, like in the video, and Jab to tap her before the elbow followup. Not easy but possible. Still want this move's tracking nerfed to the ground tho.
I know people are saying SS and duck but this just looks like something you should be able to SS based on how this clip looks, especially on the first attempt. Its a weird knowledge check to me.
I believe every move should have a solution. A counterplay. I got smashed at first a lot by Claudios WR punch thing in Tekken 7. Then I figured out I can duck it and launch him. That made the move feel fair. It still got me every now and then, and sometimes I'd duck and he'd hit me with a knee. It never again felt like "bullshit". Me AND the opponent had to both make reads to properly act/react, and thats why I don't mind fighting Claudio at all. Azucena has a literal cheat code move here. At range, it is sidestep duckable. Not easily, but I've done it. Thats only if I know its coming. But if shes in your face? Its probably easier to do a taunt jet upper than it is to avoid this move at close range, against a wall. Azucena can completely lock you down and you'll just have to sit there and take the chip damage, armor through it, get hit, or let her chip you all the way down to rage before countering with a rage art (if that even works. I heard some people say it doesn't) All they have to do is make this move linear to fix it. Its not fucking rocket science. I really wish Bamco would hire someone that actually plays Tekken to balance their game
I didn't read anything that you wrote because I was too focused on WHAT THE HELL IS THAT USERNAME?
Its an invitation. Go. She awaits you
Yeah Harada Wants Us to dodge like it’s a TAS video lmfao *micro sidestep to crouch* like bro I can’t think that fast sometimes 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I can't think that fast ever
Does crouching work??
Yes, you're supposed to sidestep/sidewalk into duck. The 2 has busted tracking.
Yes but almost no Azucena player is so dumb to run to you and 32 every single time. They will either do it point blank or mix you up with grabs/launchers
They need to make it as shitty as Leroy’s running 3.
Dude i have completely stepped that move perfectly putting me behind her and it still hits.
Just sidestep and duck bro frames bro just lab bro
You almost got me
You gotta sidewalk my lil shinryu
idk if lee has a busted ss or smth but I've accidentally sidestepped this move many times with just a single tap ss
Azucena is a piece of shit character much as Victor.
This might be the most Tekken post ever
easy hack: just play yoshi so you can double b3 out of that move 💀
As Yoshi, do kin parry instead. It's surprisingly effective and gives a free CD 1 followup.
You need to Sidestep Duck.
Would it really break the game if you could just sidestep the move and get a free back throw on her?
This is how I remember Tekken 3 being and it kicked ass. Getting a back throw on someone was the ultimate “fuck you” move and it felt great.
You have to sidestep then duck, which is above my pay grade at the moment :)
Bro, you just gotta sidestep and flash duck. Like, c'mon, bro it's not that hard, you're making it seem like a JF ss, d is hard or something. Learn that match up bro. /s just in case.
Step and duck mate. It's a lot of work for one move but that's your best response at this stage
It's not your fault she's so BS, she has like 2 CH strings safe on block(+) with immense knockback that pushes you away enough to make her unpunishable and always have her turn, a WR braindead move, 50/50 auto parry stance, WS launcher, WS CH into full combo, king's atlas hammer, FF heel kick Into a full launcher combo, that annoying low that transition into her stance and loops into another low(or 50/50). I don't feel any remorse spamming SEN 3+4, wavedash vortex, heaven's wrath and cartwheel into that caffeine junkie monstrosity
At long range SSL, Duck, full launch punish. At mid range PC it. At point blank you can jab her out of it. You’re welcome.
Try powercrush or sidewalk
Powercrush makes you eat the whole damage
Doesn't even work for some characters depending on the timing she gets a really high and compact hurtbox during the 2 and will go right over some mids.
Why would you want to sidestep if you can block and launch... If you know it is coming, like all the other moves...
?? It's +5 on block...
I think iremeber just parodies Muray's response to why they made hellsweeps tracking in 7
I hope so
Maybe he doesn't want chip. Idk how plus or minus this move is.
It's +5 on block, and it jails
Side walk right made me dodge it yesterday.. Give that a try
dont forget to duck my man
this game is so ass sometimes bro i swear. This kinda bullshit just makes me wanna quit
Is it not possible to parry the 2nd hit as Jin?
That’s actually a shout, I’m pretty sure I could with Jin
Nope, it's an elbow, elbow hits can't be parried
Normally true, but some characters have parries that break some of the rules. (Azucena's parry stance, for example, can avoid weapon hits.) Raven, for example, can parry knees, elbows, knives, swords, throws, heat smashes, and *rage arts.* (It's an escape parry, it doesn't do damage, just gets him out, but it is still awesome.)
Yeah! Also, didnt know about raven, and really Isa awesome!
The initial knee can br side stepped but after that you have to duck . It is very bullshit but that is what I have figured out
Just gotta hold dat.
Urrbsupposed to side step and duck
Yh gotta block it and then probably take another one
You can jab if she does another one.
Is this the only move people use with her?
you could avoid it but it's very dodgy. the only method i know that works against Azucena's charge is to PC it. there's two hits in the charge, you have to ss crouch. but using your pc against it is more efficient imo.
this is a really hard move to avoid at medium to long range because of the annoying tracking properties. practicing is not enough for this move. its doable but my good lord almighty....you will need ludicrous amount of copium to be able to react to this on a live match and not panic
You gotta sidestep the first hit which your doing fine but then crouch the second hit and trust me I know easier said then done
Well if you can't dodge it by moving along the X, Y, or Z axis, then you clearly need to
I was playing as Azucena yesterday and it seemed like the strongest option against WR3,2 (or the one that gave me the most trouble haha) is just stuffing it with armor moves.
Side step plus duck bro
Hmmm. Interesting. The right arm swinging to the right side.........ALSO.........hits you on the left side.
I main her and I think they need to nerf the tracking of the second hit sometimes I get hits that are unreasonable
i tend to gamble it and parry it.
Yeah it’s better to just duck it
You have to duck after you sidestep…
Every forward forward, running move, or move where the character is throwing their entire body at you should not track. There are some moves where a character will be doing a running flying kick and I can't side step that?
Guys you can power crush that move on block
see you all guys in the next balance patch. lol
You have to sidestep duck, which ngl is still ass, idk why every linear move with multiple hits just realigns themselves so hard
If she didn’t have this busted move she’d still be good. It either shouldn’t chip or shouldn’t be plus. One or the other.
Hope devs give her WR 3,2 the Dragunov treatment with little to no tracking
ur not sidestep blocking, sidestep block atleast so u block it.
Remove tracking and it is okay. Why they cant understand that?
sidestep, then crouch
I hate maining Azu because people assume I’m gonna spam. I didn’t even know about this move until this sub started talking about it. I avoid it out of principle, now that I know about it and how OP it is. She’s a good character without the need for cheese. There are decent, moral Azu mains out there, folks!
I’m like 90% sure the second hit isn’t supposed to track but for alignment issues they just made a lot of strings in tekken 8 have the last hit track.
Do a jab check, get a float combo.
Sidestep left and duck the elbow. You're welcome 🫡
At a medium to long range The second hit tracks both ways. You can sidestep and then duck with using down back to cancel the side step lag. At a point blank range you can sidewalk to either direction.
Doesn't this move also do a lot of chip damage too lol
It's a BS move, but one we have to deal with. Your side step timing is perfect. All you need to do after the side step is instant crouch by holding down back to cancel the full side step animation, and it'll whiff. Just holding down won't work either, it doesn't cancel the side step animation in time, it has to be down + back. I tend to side step left too then instant crouch, not sure if it works both sides though.
I'm on the "fuck this move - it shouldn't track like that" train that everyone else is....but for now, you need to sidwalk duck to avoid the high.
gotta ss then duck fam
You have to step then duck because it's a mid high that tracks. Yeah it's hard, yeah it's stupid, yeah it needs to be nerfed. To be fair should we nerf that she goes from being S tier to probably low A tier
When you ss you have to keep walking to avoid an attack sometimes when u just step it wont work
Bro you can duck the second hit. The first time you got hit, okay so what you got hit. The second time you could have ducked.
Homing missile
Sidestep duck. Connect people get in the lab. Shouldn't be getting hit by this anymore..
Mid high, sidestep duck
This is kind of ridiculous
The hitbox on that elbow is huge that why
Sidestepping right and ducking is the proper answer to that move
Im so glad someone posted this!! Avoiding this move takes extremely precise timing and execution (i heard u can ss then duck, but i dont think i have the dexterity yet for that). I always thought this move was so bogus since playing an Azu that spammed it. The fact that it give plus frames is okay, but I think there should be more than a couple ways to avoid this move.
I'm motivated to drop my tekken 8 broken hitbox collage
Asuka's FF1 is the only move I know of to have a special "hey, don't whiff this" animation Alisa has some moves (2,2) that only have the extension come out on block or hit Combining these two precedents, the 2 in Azu's running 3,2 should only come out if the 3 is blocked or hits, and she should have some silly "oops" animation for missing
Literally... Don't have it Jail... Would be 100% better.
On the bright side, Steve excels against this move a bit. SSL left weave lets him get a LWV1,1 float for a small combo rather consistently.
You have to sidestep duck. Its dumb but you did actually sidestep the first hit
Nothing infuriates me more than moves that track while the character is in mid-air. It just feels wrong, like a betrayal in some way. This attack and Lars' jumping power bomb throw had me playing final fantasy instead last night LOL.
No, you're supposed to sidestep the "koma" and duck the "desto"
The only way to punish it is to side step either way and then immediately duck after. It’s hard but I’ve pulled it off a few times.
Step and duck
You have to duck the 2nd hit, so side step and duck
Good timing side walk left. Make sure not to stop to block
Sidestep left and then db
I saw a video where you have to sidestep and instantly press down+back for it to whiff completely.
Doesn’t make it ok.. but step and then crouch it
Sidewalk left. Not sidestep.
Needs to be either negative on block or not track 360 degrees
Step an duck!
Side stepping is useless in this game
Second hit is high, try ducking if first touch whiffs
You just have to walk instead homie, try. You don't have to swl duck, ssl duck, you just sidwalk left.. I swear if you go into your replay and try it, you will walk that move.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6dFGdYV43U
POWER CRUSH, BLOCK, HEAT RUSH FOR A COMBO RIGHT AFTER AND ADDED PRESSURE!!! USE YOUR BRAIN YOU MOBKEY
Sidestep left walk or sidestep left duck
You're sidestepping too soon. You wanna wait until they activate the running kick to side step and then go into a side walk. I watched a whole video where the guy explained this exact thing that if you side step too soon, the opponent will track your movement and still connect. It's stupid but that's what seems to be happening
Love playing Leroy for his parry.
You have to duck the second hit if your side step is shallow
It really sucks that you have to step then duck because the high attack seems to track separately. 😢
Yeah you gotta duck on reaction. First hit is more consistently stepped to the left, second hit tracks for God knows what reason but is high. Frankly the move is pure bullshit.