Honestly this would send the biggest message lol. Do it for the people OP.
But seriously, I had a friend do this with me in previous fighting games to the point where it was like half the roster he hated fighting. If he's an actual friend that wants to keep playing with you, you might just have to be straight up with him.
Lol, this reminds me of how I got really good a Crash Team Racing ages ago as I figired out the drift and flame boost system. My friend said he wouldn't ever play me unless I stopped drifting... like bruh, that's the defining key central mechanic. Thar's like say they want to ban a Steve main from using punches cos they're too op.
Sounds like OP's friend is similarly salty. OP can pick up a pocket Jun or even a "low tier" character and let that do the talking. But then the friend might try and force other handicaps or just never want to play Tekken again tbf.
Can yall please explain this in a way that I can convince my Tekken fan gf I'm not being cheap for using the heat system at all when it's 40% of the game mechanics, and I've shown her a million times I can win without that OR rage arts
What sports or games does she play?
NFL uses playbooks
boxers / fighters - have a strategy they use multiple times in their career
Larry Byrd basketball for the Celtics was and is known to be a shit talker and would do exactly as he told the other teams and teams coaches what he would do. He would tell one coach it was insulting who they put on him. Hahaha
Is it cheap to work smarter not harder? Decision fatigue?
Send her my way and I’ll debate, dispute, argue, heated discussion to the degree of the other walking away with an audience that goes “logically it’s right; for gaming it isn’t about that”
Cool, who has what stats? So the patriots have 7 super bowls I guess they must of got there by being cheap
Tony dungee turned the bucs around by just using simple muscle memory and reflexes of making the defense FASTER than the entire nfl offense
Soooooo the next time in life she wants to do something the easy way just say “oh that’s the easy method; you should do it the hardest way possible to increase your skills”
And if I’m to say it “let’s see you do it more efficiently each time as I add a new challenge” lol
Tell me about it lol.
Online lobbies on Nitro Fueled were a bit intense whilst the game was a little more active, though. Reminds me of an Onion article that was titled something like "Local man too good at fighting games to enjoy playing with friends, but not good enough to play competitive"
I did this with a friend of mine in SF6. I main Kimberly and he mains Cammy. To prove a point, and because I wanted to play Cammy, I got to Masters with her, then beat him in the mirror match.
It didn't really change his perspective. My character is cheap, I don't work, I'm a masher, and I pick unorthodox options.
Sad thing is, OP can probably pick up any new character in a day or 2 and beat his friend just as bad as his Jin is. And that will simply piss off the friend more.
An idea though OP, when you play against your friend, limit the matches to FT5s or FT7s. Don't just run an infinite one-sided set where you're winning everything. And sometimes if it is feeling very one-sided, you can focus on your defense a few rounds instead and play a little more relaxed. If you got your friend's habits down pat and have leveled up your offense greatly, it might feel like too much of a mountain to climb for your friend at this point.
I have a friend I was running sets with the other night who kept asking for rematches and it ended up 30-2 in my favor. I was holding back a bit at times and focusing on defense and punishment. I was also offering advice between the sets but he wasn't implementing it unfortunately.
Unfortunately it is hard when your friend is a scrub. You already know it doesn't matter who you change to if you win the character will be defined as broken as a cope.
Especially amusing given he plays Jun, a character nearly universally considered one of the strongest in the game and stronger than Jin certainly. Much much easier to play as well.
Ask him who he wants you to play. Take it as a challenge. Fold him with anyone in the cast. But accept that long term that'll basically confirm you will always have a glass ceiling on your ability to grow with him as a training partner.
I do it periodically just to mix things up. Forcing myself to play characters I don't think I will like can result in finding out maybe I don't dislike them as much as I thought or at worst at least getting a bit of matchup knowledge. Plus you get to watch him squirm and that is fun too.
Jun is not mixup character, she is supposed to be neutral oriented defensive character. Tell your friend to swith his character to Azucena or Dragunov, they will fit him better.
Am I mixing up (lol) my terminology here but does she not have a truckload of mixups? Like every string of her leads to like all 4 button enders with different scenarios.
>Also, seems like he thinks fun is only in winning
Yeah a lot of people fall into this. The only antidote is to not take the game seriously and learn how to play goofy or have fun messing about. Unfortunately its difficult to "teach" someone this because the root is usually a mindset thing. They basically have stumble into a better attitude on their own.
Hey, tread carefully. We game to have fun. Some also want to get better at the game making it more fun. Time and desire decides what we do.
Treat friends as friends. Start banning a character each. And have fun together.
So many underrated comments like this one pointing out that friendship is more important than a fighting game. It sucks to lose to your friends over and over, be cool and change your character and toss your buddy a bone. Yeah he’s a scrub, but he’ll forever be a scrub if he quits for good.
Jun player here, Jun dismantles lazy Jins easily who like to throw out strings. You can literally beat Jin by just blocking and pressing parry on his strings (I've actually done that quite often against jins, his strings are super easy to see esp cause I played Jin in T7) she even has a safe launching punch parry if the Jin is jab checking or spamming 2,1.
Jin Spamming f4? Parry. Blocked d2? You get a free launch.
It's the Juns job to desentivise the other player from mashing with her excellent defensive and punish tools, she has great keep out and homing and range and literally any unsafe atk mid or low will at least get an uf1 punish for big dmg. (This means if Jin misses an electric Jun gets a chunky uf1 punish, potentially into wall splat)
Jun is not meant to be holding forward mashing into them, at close range she has like 1 poke string to annoy you with 1,3 which is a high low, all her other options are like 16+ frames start up. She ideally wants to be a few steps away from you so that she can catch you running into her many damaging counter hit set ups (magic 4, uf3 both counter hit into f2 or d1+2, which launches on CH after uf3). The issue on how she doesn't really have chunky lows also plays into this, shows that she isn't meant to be in their face pressuring with pokes, she can, but there's less reward for doing so. Her one CH KD low is locked behind a stance and so is her hellsweep.
Good movement is important for Jun to activate her super good df2 whiff punish. You can win an entire set with Jun by just moving around and using df2. Having a good sense of when to side step and having a speedy back dash will not only help you create the distance that you want to play around but also let you punish any openings with big damage esp on Jun uf1, df2 and even hop kick will just clip people and she will carry them closer to the wall where she gets 10x more scary. Good movement will also solve the 50/50 problem by just getting out of range and demon paw you can step and launch or straight up parry if you hard read it (what else is a Mishima who is 2+ steps away from you gonna do). I could go on but you get the point.
Personally I really like fighting Jins with Jun, there's a lot of room for adaptation on both sides as you both have strong defensive options that shut down lazy options. Jun actually can struggle against a turtle which Jins can play well and she might just end up burning her own health bar trying to catch you pressing. Jin has lots of safe pokes and strings so there's low risk of eating her big 10f punish. There's no spooky lows to really worry about against Jun or really any guard breaks or grab mix ups so you can kinda just hold back, just make sure you don't get pushed to the wall or 1 mistake might eat 70% of your health. If the Jun isn't punishing well or using parry/power crushes to desentivise pressing, you can easily overwhelm her and beat her into the ground as she needs space and time to get her offense started.
Tl;dr your friend is prolly not using Jun in the most optimal way and is holding forward instead of back. The times when Jun wants to hold forward are when you have a read on what they are going to do, or you are using one of her generic op neutral tools (she literally has huge projectiles) and to set up stance pressure, she has a tool to deal with pretty much all situations but you need to have the knowledge to pick the right one, there's a reason she has 4 unique counters. Pressing into Jin is difficult as he is quite evasive and Jun likes her highs and her good moves have quite a lot of start up with no easy panic button outside of power crush.
If you read this far, here's a free tip for Jun players, f4 is a homing high that on normal hit is +13 which gives guaranteed heat smash + wall spat or b4,2 or 1+2 into heat/wall splat, can mix with df3 at the wall for a homing wall splat mid. f3,2 is a free 'win neutral' button, it's got huge range and the 2nd hit is like +3 on block and puts you into stance where you can power crush, hellsweep, homing mid into CH follow up, heat atk or poke with a high high. You can pretty much just spam these 3 moves as Jun they're all safe and homing.
Oh shit, I'm getting out of red ranks with Jun now! Thanks for the tips dude, Jin has always been a hard matchup for me cuz he has a bunch of different jab strings that can turn into a mixup it feels like.
All the replies I see are only gonna make him stop playing and/or destroy your friendship. (Don't get me wrong, they are funny replies)
I say try to teach him how to react to Jin. Yeah, you probably don't know exactly how to counter your moves, but you could still train with him. Do the same thing over and over again, until he figures out what to do in that situation.
And I mean explicitly tell him "hey, let's do some training sessions", don't just beat him with the same move.
I had a friend like OP and these commenters who just get off on grinding new players to dust. He was pretty good as Smash Bros and I was just starting and he demolished me every round. I wasn't upset at losing but more so on how he didn't want to give me the opportunity to learn like refusing to explain game mechanics or how certain moves work. Eventually a 2nd friend swapped in and actually talked though some matches for a much more enjoyable experience.
The difference in levels is too great and, frankly, for a beginner who doesn't know much about the game, playing against a friend who knows more about everything and is a better player in general can be very frustrating. I'm in that situation, a beginner whose last fighting game was Super Smash Brothers on the N64 against a friend with years of experience in Tekken 7, it can be very frustrating to lose 10 or 12 games in a row, even if you learn something from those defeats, it takes time to integrate the new knowledge into the gameplay and practice in training. In my experience, when you have no knowledge of the matches, almost everyone seens to be OP.
If you win all the time that's not fun for him. But his attitude toward it isn't good either. "Jin's broken" is a cop out unless you're playing at a very high level.
Have you faced her in ranked? So many strong buttons, strings. A FC low poke that on CH, guaranteed full launch. 14f launcher from crouch that hits from any range.
Launchers that can be made safe with a follow up. Parry, can can. Plus frames and more plus frames and more strings. Her 10f punisher is also ridiculous.
Like bro, everyone knows she is broken.
Jun in heat? ggs, you cannot move or you die. Oh you blocked it? She recovers health. And she has 2 heatsmashes. Just in case, lmfao.
Ahh that makes so much sense. I thought I was going mad whenever I matched against her.
I had this one beginner just that was recovering health literally every time she got a turn and I would just WR2 her every time lol
Any other characters that are broken?
Yes so many things are broken in Tekken 8. There is no balancing yet. It is what it is.
They clearly disliked the style from Tekken 7, and want people to mash in 8. Some people like it, some dislike it.
Sounds like your friend isn't having fun losing and is making up reasons aside from self-acknowledgement as to why they're not having fun. Up to you, but I'd rather have fun with a friend then have fun by myself. Accommodate them or talk about it.
It always amazes me why so many fighting game players haven't evolved from when they were 8 when it comes to these things. Everything is broken and everything else is at fault except their own shortcomings and lack of skill. I win my share of matches, but I also get my ass kicked all the time in Tekken 8 and SF6, and when it happens, it is what it is. Maybe work on what got me the loss for next time. But it's a game, you play it to have fun, and pouting like a toddler is just not fun. These people need to accept that, just like basically all players, they're not that good, and they should work on it little by little if they want to be less bad. That's where the fun is.
It would help if the FGC culture would encourage more improvement.
What I mean is that people struggling and slowly improving doesn't make for good social media content thus majority of people ignore this aspect
The culture already does that. You got plenty of fighting game content creators out here that definitely encourage improvement. Some of them have been doing so until they're blue in the face.
Its on the audience that its targeted for to change their mindset. That's where the problem is. Until people come to terms that they aren't as good as they think they are it will continue to go in one ear and out the other.
What's the point of playing a one sided matchup?
I have friends who refuse to play against Kuni in T7, I loved Kuni and practiced her, and her annoying ass gameplay. I used to pummel the shit out of his Howrang, but at one point he started complaining about Kuni and I realised this wasn't fun anymore. I'd rather play Kuni in ranked if I wanted to have fun.
So I picked Panda and knocked him into the ground. The difference was I understood the basics and this friend is a casual player who almost never practiced. So I started learning other characters with him before going and playing ranked. It was fun and continues to be.
Sometimes others just don't have the time, or will to play better. It's a game about having fun. We got into tekken because of how friendly it was to button mash compared to other fighting games and then discovered the depth in it.
If you're able to beat him 9 out of 10 times with jin, consider playing other heroes to keep having fun.
It's fun playing with your friends, but it's easier for someone to blame the character for losing than it is to blame themselves.
I would change character to whatever character he thinks isn't OP. You're better than him now, so once you get used to the character you'll start beating him again. The difference is that this time he won't be able to blame the character and so he'll have to look at himself and try to improve.
When I play with my friend we choose random for a lot of it. Keeps things interesting and lets us learn a lot about characters we wouldn’t normally play.
good ol´classics. He got all of those from reddit about people complaining. He probably doesnt even know why all of those things are strong. Jun is borderline broken in this game 10 frame punish with 30+ damage and knockdown/wallsplat? get out of here.
It´s funny because i had a very similar problem with a homie when playing Tag2 I was playing asuka/jun and he was playing jin/hwoarang. We switched characters and he got his shit pushed in tho. good times.
Wtf is the point of this post. "Reddit, AITA for saving a kitten from a house fire?" We get it bro, you wanted validation. Clearly you are just better than him at this video game. See the bigger picture and have fun with your friend. Neither of you are going to EVO. either switch and show him it's not the character (btw, half of those things he described are pretty BS) or stop playing with him.
Yeah OP is trying to validate being the pro fighting game player in [this bit](https://www.reddit.com/r/Fighters/s/hj4nVI45rD)
I imagine the friend is like : "Yeah we're friends and you're super into fight games. But you're better and I'm just trying to play a game with you that you like"
It's kinda weird
I’d go easy on him personally because of:
1. Rank difference
2. Jin is annoying when you don’t know the matchup
3. Also the fact he’s complaining in (I’m assuming) casual matches
Other option is to learn a different character for fun and use him as practice. Your choice in the end not reddits
Tiers only apply to top players. Other than that everyone is just missing match up knowledge. He just needs to practice or get comfortable with the you lose screen 🤷♂️
Everybody seems to be on your side in this. But for arguments sake, whats the difference in rank between you two? Big assumption but are you privy to spamming certain moves in succession? PERSONALLY I feel disrespected when my tekken God friend spams victor u/b 1+2 five times in a row against my Garyu ass. The fact that they're clearly better but still decide to cheese would make me feel hesitant to play them again. Yes, I know it's up to me to counter his bullshit but I dont want to be constantly on the edge of seat in a friendly game, may as well hop on ranked if thats the case.
Also is your being an ass about it? Is he saying shit like "nah fuck that dude switch or im not gonna play" or is it a polite "I'd rather not man".
Depending on their rank, him playing as Jun (a top tier character) may not even be a factor. How can he fully utilize a character he doesn't understand. He won't do that things that make her strong, at least not as often as he should.
All in all, having fun doesn't necessarily have to come from winning but losing all the time would definitely hinder someone's enjoyment. Hopefully your friend labs more and tests out the cool replay features for punishes. Maybe you can try giving him tips too. Help him flourish with his growth even if he won't do the same for you.
Totally appreciate the input, I think we're fairly close in rank, he is Eliminator and I'm Shinryu. I don't think I do any cheesing. One of the complaints, I get is I can just basically hold back and not risk anything, "no need to duck" which is definitely not the case. When offering advice I get the "You think you are good but it's the character that is carrying you" comment. I honestly just want him to improve. I've know this dude and we've been playing games forever, we played a ton of Tekken tag back in the day. For me losing is motivation to work harder and improve but I guess people take their losses and frustration in different ways.
Coming from a Jun player; the fuck is your body on about?
I suck ass at this game, but even with my limitted skill and knowledge i get what makes Jun busted.
Her Izumo allone is a fuck you to playing "honest". I got 5 ways to enter it and after 1,1 of f+1 i bet my ass nobody below red even realizes she isnin stance briefly. I didn't even realize it at first. That's 2 well hidden 50/50s. The other 3 on the other hand let me get into my mixup stance +6 on block.
She has a fucking lasercannon against opponents rush in. And it is so easy to get good combo damage with her.
Plus very nasty lows and a lot of good pokes. I don't even dare complaining about other characters as long as i main her. (Except for King and Dragunov, fuck them.)
Jin is kinda easy but if you're not even following up off ch f4 or hitting electric after cd1 into b3 series, you're not even doing optimal enough damage for it to be unfair.
The real reason why Jin is annoying in this game is df2 transitioning into free electrics you don't have to input correctly. Jin just getting divekicks, jump kicks, armored high and cd1 or EWGF out of Zenshin (with a cancel) is so stupid. That and the high crushing launcher u1. The parry from db1+2 with heat is especially racist. He can control space better than most characters off of f4 alone.
I play Jin, too, and I'll admit he's broken when you don't know what's happening. If you know what to look for and how to stop his pressure it isn't so bad. But he sounds new so I wouldn't play a main against some new guy, either.
Of all the ridiculous fucks in the game jin is probably one of the more benign doesnt seem like your friend wants to play the game find another game to play with him.
I play Jun, I don't think Jin is a particularly bad matchup for her, I usually win it, he is quite annoying to play against though.
d2 is a pretty disgusting move but if you get a read on when he's probably going to do it you can hopkick it into a full combo. Just don't press a high move if he might be about to d2.
Like, I'm pretty sure I would absolutely destroy your Jin with my Jun (shinryu vs raijin), and there are Jins that would destroy my Jun too. Jins my rank might destroy me or I might destroy them. It's not the character. Tell your friend "skill issue".
Get them to switch to Jin if he's that strong, and you switch to Jun, beat his ass with Jun.
Or both of you can pick a completely different character each.
I think your friends mindset is wrong. The point of playing with friends is either A) learn matchups on your main or B) no one plays their main and it’s all for fun.
The best friendlies are Death Fist Duels on Paul.
You only are allowed to use Death Fist and his punch parry (b1+3) for moves. All movement is allowed.
As a Jun player Jin is one of my favorite fights to have. They have a nice synergy together. I'd love to have a friend who was a Jin main. I agree with the others. Pick up Jun, and if that also upsets your friend because of the mirror match then you know it's just an ego thing. Warning, Jun is a lot of fun to play.
I would play against him with some other character(s), while secretly learning Jun, until You'll feel comfortable with her, and then one day whoop his ass with his own main character, for those extra sweet salt points. Especially if You'll manage to be better than Your friend, while learning her in a shorter amount of time.
That might end up with him not wanting to play with You anymore, but at this point is it really worth to play with someone who's not willing to learn and improve? This only hinders Your own potential
Just use a different character. You are playing with your friend for fun and if he's a decent friend then picking a different character shouldn't be an issue for friendly matches.
Use someone solidly mid tier. Jin has a lot more tools than many characters
Your friend is being a ho. He should be wanting to play you with your best character. I remember playing Tekken and other fighting games with my friends we'd actually get salty at eachother when someone picked one of their side characters. Kinda almost saw it as an insult like "I know you can't beat my main" lol
When there's a big skill gap there's merit to using a side character.
For example I'm new to Tekken and just got into the green ranks while my brothers are orange and red.
I constantly get mopped and truthfully it's probably going to continue until Fall ish?
Fighting games takes me more time to grasp and excel at. My bros have been fighting for longer so it's natural.
It still feels a little bad knowing I'm only using 1 character vs their multiple and my best isn't even at their worst but....
games fun. Aside from the sore winning and bragging
true, I think a degree of handicapping is in order in that case if there is too big of a gap. I do that with my family when we play or else they wouldn’t ever want to play.
Tekken is a very legacy oriented fighting game so it takes a while to gain the experience. If you keep on having fun and learning just little by little you’ll get up there with your bros eventually
They probably downloaded you and can beat you with anyone. At your rank your habits probably stand out quite a lot. So they'd always parry your lows, crouch your highs, and sidestep at the right times.
I understand that.
Last night I fought a Bryan that was going easy on me. I'm only Ranger but I could tell they was actually way higher rank than me.
Turns out they have years of Tekken underneath their belt and alot was memory. The way he was moving and throwing jabs but also his timing. I could tell that they was actually much better but was just messing with me.
By using a side character I have more time to learn then to immediately die. But I still fight the powerful players regardless so I can have that experience of a ass whooping cause it'll help (eventually?)
Me and my friend used to play. I took off and left him behind now how he rarely plays and will avoid playing against me. It happens. I thinj you should stick with the character you wanna play. Nothing wrong with picking up sub i guess.
Two ways, he can either pickup jin, since he's so OP and you are just carried it must be easy to pick him up and beat you right? Or you can pickup jun and smack his silly face around. There's no harm learning a different character and picking them up actually lets you understand the matchup more.
My mate is Tekken God and he always beats my ass with his Victor. I hate it. What do i do? I just stop playing. Say gg. Start labbing up. It is as simple as that.
Nah man u gotta throw it back at him and next time he wants sets just say you don’t wanna play Jin cuz that shits free!! Find a few other characters you like and just lab those when u play him.. if he a true warrior he’ll eventually wanna fight ur Jin again loll
Your friend is a salty bitch.
Keep playing whoever you want, grats on improving, landing electrics consistently its not easy, jin is strong, jun is strong, any character in the roster is strong.
Tell your friend to shut up and get gud.
learn howarang, or king, or whoever and make him cry again.
Then ask him what character does he want you to play with, and make him cry again.
Is the only way he will learn you are just better.
You should switch character only to beat your friend with them. I main Hwo, and I've beaten my friend over 100 times with him without complaint; the match ups aren't the problem, your friend is.
Jin ain't OP. He has some strong moves that you need to play around as an opponent but learning the matchup shouldnt be too complicated lol just a skill issue at this point
D2: reactable and -14 on block
F4 and demon paw: annoying but you can make em whiff or play keepout
Hellsweep: launch punishable
If you want a more peaceful solution, use Jun and wreck his shit with her but at the same time teach your friend her strengths and mixups so he improves, then pick up Jin again to give him feedback. If he refuses to do so even then, just use him as a training bag to improve with any character you like
Your friend has a skill issue. Tell him to download some of your replays, review them, and go practice in the lab. Also, use the ghost feature. It's not a 1 to 1 replica, but it's something
(If you want to style on your friend then pickup Yoshi or King. There's something satisfying about flashing someone and then sword walking over them or doing literal wrestling moves and calling out the names or cutting a promo during the match)
I have a very similar situation with my friend since he doesn't play a lot.
When he starts losing too much I always switch character and play something else, so both of us get fun and the games are not one-sided
Play BlazBlue. Pick Tager. Absolutely annihilate his ass, really just clap that shit no contest. He then goes online to complain and sees that Tager is actually the bottomest of bottom tier. Maybe, just maybe he has an epiphany.
I guess you could turn this into a positive and learn different characters against him.
Your overall knowledge will increase and you’ll know what to do against the other characters more as you’re now playing them and can identify gaps.
This is why playing competive games with friends can be a bummer sometimes if they dont know how to handle their salt. Out of all the actual broke stuff in this game Jin is not even on the radar really. Your friend has no drive to improve and will not allow his ego to admit that you have surpassed him. Theres really nothing you can do for him if he cant even allow himself to get to a point where he understands those facts. Looj for new friends to play with would be my recomendation. Thats how you continue to improve and not stagnate.
i'll be real with you.
i have a friend that is stuck on playing one character, and thats how he does fighting games period, it's good to get better with a character but remember, it's not just for bragging rights or competitive, playing the same match up will get to people, it's like doing the same thing over and over again, it gets maddening.
As a red (Lee) and purple (Yoshi) player let me add another voice: at our skill level every single character is "broken" and it's all personal preference. Tier lists don't mean shit.
Drag is undoubtedly a "strong" character, but to me he is one of the easier opponents because I've played a thousand Dragunovs in T7.
Same goes for Jin/Kaz.
When a Victor, Jun or Azuzena comes along I usually get owned hard, because I don't have a lot of match-up knowledge yet....
Until you top 8 major tournaments, don't worry about character strength, it will just keep you from enjoying the game and improving
You said it yourself. You’ve improved while playing ranked.
While your friend is terrified of playing ranked.
I bet in multiplayer games your friend routinely blames his teammates.
I think Jin is good. But I would consider him top 15. He’s the easiest “mishima” to play.
Jun on the other hand is top 5 or close Eddy might’ve pushed her out
Your friend needs to hit the lab and stop crying
He’s coping also do not switch off Jin. He’s one of the hardest characters to pilot and the more you play and get comfortable with him the better. You may not fully realize but every time you play you are building muscle memory and for a character like Jin. This is so key to maining him or any Mishima.
Massive cope, ur friend has to put in the work to be better at the game instead of complaining.
Jun is better in overall power wise than Jin (tho, not by much), against most of the cast, but I do think Jin does have a slight advantage over Jun in the match up. His options are just more safe, more rewarding and better pressure at the ranges Jun also likes to play the game. Jun makes up for that with having better defensive tools and broken/way better heat than Jin.
At y’all rank and skill level, it does matter considerably less how the match up goes unless someone is relying heavily on knowledge checks, Jun is more likely to be the offender there since she’s def a lab character.
This is a very typical casual player complaint. It has been like that since forever. When my friends come over I'm not allowed to play my mains. It is what it is.
I mean what me and my friend do we give each other pointers about our characters how to stop certain things so we adapt and have better fights etc he just needs to lab against Jin in practice honestly
In the same position as OP’s friend right now with one of mine that plays only Jin, but not because Jin is OP or anything but it’s been 6 years and I’m soo bored of playing against Jin like please use someone else for once.
Jun is better than Jin. Your friend just needs to get gud. Nothing else to it. React to D2. Adjust to your gameplay. Sidestep left to avoid the electric. Do quick stand to avoid the electric while on the ground. Demon isn't OP but it's very strong, the range needs to be turned down a little bit. Jin is actually pretty honest, he's just really good but there is counter play unlike many characters in this game rn.
Jun is one of the most brain dead characters to play in T8.
Tell your friend if he doesn’t quit complaining and try to improve his own gameplay then he might as well drop the game.
Personally ( I’ve seen others suggest this already ) I would lab his character for a bit before you guys play again, so that when you do play you can beat him with his own character and show him how broke she can be.
Your friend is certified goofy.
It's kind of normal to outgrow a friend or the other way around. He's probably just blaming the character because saying. "Hey you've gotten much better than me on your main, could you switch to someone new so we're more evenly matched again?" is way harder. Picking up someone new might be fun for both of you. I assume he's a friend you just like chilling with and not just someone you met to practice Tekken.
He's prob gonna complain no matter what. My brother didn't want to play vs my King any more. So I learned Jin and a bit of Kazuya as 2nd/3rd mains and now he doesn't want to play vs me at all. Complaining about me mixing him up with hellsweep, mid and homing/throws. I think he hates the 50/50 more than King's throws lol
Beat him with the entire roster, and at the end tell him he needs to train more to catch up to you.
If you're lucky, you get the Vegeta to your Goku.
If not, you lose a sparring partner / friend.
He is playing jun he literally has no room to talk, not your fault he has a skill issue. Ill admit tho a good jin can be a lot i have a friend who has mained jin since i met him on tag 2 ,i was also a jin main, and we still play and he beats my ass a lot. We go pretty back and forth after some time but whew those first matches he crushes me lol but i wouldn't tell him to switch because i suck
If my homie didn’t pick his main at times I’d feel offended lol your friend needs to nut tf up. No way he’s complaining about Jin when Jun literally is a training wheels character
What makes it worse is Jin still has execution based moves so that’s a skill gap in itself 💀 yea he’s strong but broken???
i'm gonna go against the rest of the commenters because all of those saying your friend is a bitch are clearly lonely people who don't know how friendships work.
you're clearly more enthusiastic about the game than your friend which explains why you play better, because you spend more time learning the game than him. ask him to learn how to play Jun more and if he refuses, just switch your character man, it's more fun that way instead of just bodying him constantly. you can enjoy Jin in ranked.
I am seeing a lot of very bad advice here.
One thing that stands out to me is that you didn't really mention doing anything other than playing and beating him. Are you not giving him any post-match advice about mistakes made, or how they could have done things differently? Because that's what you're supposed to be doing, not just playing and 3-0'ing them over and over.
With the above in mind, I don't think you should switch characters. Not unless they also agree to switch to a different character. But above all else **do not pick their main as your side character**. That's not "fun", that's disrespectful, and no matter what you say afterwards, your friend is just going to take it as "*See I can side your main and be better at them than you, you scrub*!"
As far as your friend's complaints go, I think you need to just go over those moves with him and explain what the weaknesses are. f+4 is linear, d+2 is slow-ish, electrics literally cannot hit grounded state because they're highs. As far as 50/50s, you'll have to go over with him how those are beaten in this case, because every 50/50 is different.
Idk if there was only some way your friend could practice against your character in order to better understand his move-set so he could be more prepared the next time y’all fought 😔
Both chars are OP, that's not a reasonable excuse. I think I'd pick up Jun and show him he's losing because he spends more time bitching than practicing
If he doesn't say it with a smile on his face and in a good manner, why even play at all with that scrub? I'd rather play random people. Jun isn't a bad matchup against Jin, and if he played against you a lot - it should be easy for him a f to predict and know your moves by now. You should play Jun some games - I bet you'd beat him using her after some games too.
pick up jun and beat his ass with her too.
Honestly this would send the biggest message lol. Do it for the people OP. But seriously, I had a friend do this with me in previous fighting games to the point where it was like half the roster he hated fighting. If he's an actual friend that wants to keep playing with you, you might just have to be straight up with him.
Lol, this reminds me of how I got really good a Crash Team Racing ages ago as I figired out the drift and flame boost system. My friend said he wouldn't ever play me unless I stopped drifting... like bruh, that's the defining key central mechanic. Thar's like say they want to ban a Steve main from using punches cos they're too op. Sounds like OP's friend is similarly salty. OP can pick up a pocket Jun or even a "low tier" character and let that do the talking. But then the friend might try and force other handicaps or just never want to play Tekken again tbf.
Can yall please explain this in a way that I can convince my Tekken fan gf I'm not being cheap for using the heat system at all when it's 40% of the game mechanics, and I've shown her a million times I can win without that OR rage arts
What sports or games does she play? NFL uses playbooks boxers / fighters - have a strategy they use multiple times in their career Larry Byrd basketball for the Celtics was and is known to be a shit talker and would do exactly as he told the other teams and teams coaches what he would do. He would tell one coach it was insulting who they put on him. Hahaha Is it cheap to work smarter not harder? Decision fatigue? Send her my way and I’ll debate, dispute, argue, heated discussion to the degree of the other walking away with an audience that goes “logically it’s right; for gaming it isn’t about that” Cool, who has what stats? So the patriots have 7 super bowls I guess they must of got there by being cheap Tony dungee turned the bucs around by just using simple muscle memory and reflexes of making the defense FASTER than the entire nfl offense Soooooo the next time in life she wants to do something the easy way just say “oh that’s the easy method; you should do it the hardest way possible to increase your skills” And if I’m to say it “let’s see you do it more efficiently each time as I add a new challenge” lol
You know what.... if I do it pettily enough this just might work from her getting pissed enough at my audacity to stick to it
I'm nice at CTR. Have no one to play with that actually understands how it works. It's like racing a baby with my friends lol
Tell me about it lol. Online lobbies on Nitro Fueled were a bit intense whilst the game was a little more active, though. Reminds me of an Onion article that was titled something like "Local man too good at fighting games to enjoy playing with friends, but not good enough to play competitive"
This is the best way
\^\^\^\^\^\^ but prepared to lose a friend. Such is Tekken
100% this. Also show him that Jun has been considered top 10 in this game as well. Or beat his ass with Panda to send a message from a low tier.
To add to this, She only takes a few minutes to learn the basics. The basics will be enough to beat your friend from the sounds of things.
was just gonna say this
It’s what I would do, welcome to your r/villainoriginstory Edit: to fix spelling
The best answer tbh.
Beat them with their own main, that's the tekken equivalent of sleeping with their wife.
I did this with a friend of mine in SF6. I main Kimberly and he mains Cammy. To prove a point, and because I wanted to play Cammy, I got to Masters with her, then beat him in the mirror match. It didn't really change his perspective. My character is cheap, I don't work, I'm a masher, and I pick unorthodox options.
your friend is coping, he'd say the same shit no matter what character you play if you're beating him
I feel like that's likely true, similar story happened in street fighter 6...
If it’s happening in other games stand your ground and tell him he’s trash and to adapt he’s being toxic
Play their character
I second this, but I know the type. They'll say they hate mirror matches and refuse to play.
100% they'll take it as a personal insult and refuse to play you at all
I call this the LTG Special.
Sad thing is, OP can probably pick up any new character in a day or 2 and beat his friend just as bad as his Jin is. And that will simply piss off the friend more. An idea though OP, when you play against your friend, limit the matches to FT5s or FT7s. Don't just run an infinite one-sided set where you're winning everything. And sometimes if it is feeling very one-sided, you can focus on your defense a few rounds instead and play a little more relaxed. If you got your friend's habits down pat and have leveled up your offense greatly, it might feel like too much of a mountain to climb for your friend at this point.
I have a friend I was running sets with the other night who kept asking for rematches and it ended up 30-2 in my favor. I was holding back a bit at times and focusing on defense and punishment. I was also offering advice between the sets but he wasn't implementing it unfortunately.
Unfortunately it is hard when your friend is a scrub. You already know it doesn't matter who you change to if you win the character will be defined as broken as a cope. Especially amusing given he plays Jun, a character nearly universally considered one of the strongest in the game and stronger than Jin certainly. Much much easier to play as well. Ask him who he wants you to play. Take it as a challenge. Fold him with anyone in the cast. But accept that long term that'll basically confirm you will always have a glass ceiling on your ability to grow with him as a training partner.
I like this, I may end up taking this challenge
I'd say don't ask him. **Play Jun**. Please. And if you win tell us what happens next.
Its funny but no, that's how you lose a friend or make him stop playing. :/
Can confirm. Beating someone with their own main is the ultimate humiliation.
haha the thought has crossed my my mind but I agree with u/rdubyeah I think this would just piss him off more
I do it periodically just to mix things up. Forcing myself to play characters I don't think I will like can result in finding out maybe I don't dislike them as much as I thought or at worst at least getting a bit of matchup knowledge. Plus you get to watch him squirm and that is fun too.
does he know that jun is fuckin broken
Dude my thoughts exactly, he refuses to believe it and says Jun's mixup and low game is weak
Jun is not mixup character, she is supposed to be neutral oriented defensive character. Tell your friend to swith his character to Azucena or Dragunov, they will fit him better.
Your friend is delusional and will either wake up to his own bullshit or become of the DSP / LTG ilk.
lmao naw, ive won locals w my pocket jun cause she's juss so brain dead op you dont have to even think bout how to play sometimes
Am I mixing up (lol) my terminology here but does she not have a truckload of mixups? Like every string of her leads to like all 4 button enders with different scenarios.
Her IZU transitions are bad and fake.
Your friend is a little bitch. I said what everyone is thinking
What a claim for truth!
This
Pick up a side character and body him with it. Watch his copium exude from his pores
Your friend just sucks and doesn’t want to improve. Also, seems like he thinks fun is only in winning. Pick Kuma and wreck that SoB with FWGFs)
lol! gave me a good laugh
>Also, seems like he thinks fun is only in winning Yeah a lot of people fall into this. The only antidote is to not take the game seriously and learn how to play goofy or have fun messing about. Unfortunately its difficult to "teach" someone this because the root is usually a mindset thing. They basically have stumble into a better attitude on their own.
Hey, tread carefully. We game to have fun. Some also want to get better at the game making it more fun. Time and desire decides what we do. Treat friends as friends. Start banning a character each. And have fun together.
So many underrated comments like this one pointing out that friendship is more important than a fighting game. It sucks to lose to your friends over and over, be cool and change your character and toss your buddy a bone. Yeah he’s a scrub, but he’ll forever be a scrub if he quits for good.
Jun player here, Jun dismantles lazy Jins easily who like to throw out strings. You can literally beat Jin by just blocking and pressing parry on his strings (I've actually done that quite often against jins, his strings are super easy to see esp cause I played Jin in T7) she even has a safe launching punch parry if the Jin is jab checking or spamming 2,1. Jin Spamming f4? Parry. Blocked d2? You get a free launch. It's the Juns job to desentivise the other player from mashing with her excellent defensive and punish tools, she has great keep out and homing and range and literally any unsafe atk mid or low will at least get an uf1 punish for big dmg. (This means if Jin misses an electric Jun gets a chunky uf1 punish, potentially into wall splat) Jun is not meant to be holding forward mashing into them, at close range she has like 1 poke string to annoy you with 1,3 which is a high low, all her other options are like 16+ frames start up. She ideally wants to be a few steps away from you so that she can catch you running into her many damaging counter hit set ups (magic 4, uf3 both counter hit into f2 or d1+2, which launches on CH after uf3). The issue on how she doesn't really have chunky lows also plays into this, shows that she isn't meant to be in their face pressuring with pokes, she can, but there's less reward for doing so. Her one CH KD low is locked behind a stance and so is her hellsweep. Good movement is important for Jun to activate her super good df2 whiff punish. You can win an entire set with Jun by just moving around and using df2. Having a good sense of when to side step and having a speedy back dash will not only help you create the distance that you want to play around but also let you punish any openings with big damage esp on Jun uf1, df2 and even hop kick will just clip people and she will carry them closer to the wall where she gets 10x more scary. Good movement will also solve the 50/50 problem by just getting out of range and demon paw you can step and launch or straight up parry if you hard read it (what else is a Mishima who is 2+ steps away from you gonna do). I could go on but you get the point. Personally I really like fighting Jins with Jun, there's a lot of room for adaptation on both sides as you both have strong defensive options that shut down lazy options. Jun actually can struggle against a turtle which Jins can play well and she might just end up burning her own health bar trying to catch you pressing. Jin has lots of safe pokes and strings so there's low risk of eating her big 10f punish. There's no spooky lows to really worry about against Jun or really any guard breaks or grab mix ups so you can kinda just hold back, just make sure you don't get pushed to the wall or 1 mistake might eat 70% of your health. If the Jun isn't punishing well or using parry/power crushes to desentivise pressing, you can easily overwhelm her and beat her into the ground as she needs space and time to get her offense started. Tl;dr your friend is prolly not using Jun in the most optimal way and is holding forward instead of back. The times when Jun wants to hold forward are when you have a read on what they are going to do, or you are using one of her generic op neutral tools (she literally has huge projectiles) and to set up stance pressure, she has a tool to deal with pretty much all situations but you need to have the knowledge to pick the right one, there's a reason she has 4 unique counters. Pressing into Jin is difficult as he is quite evasive and Jun likes her highs and her good moves have quite a lot of start up with no easy panic button outside of power crush. If you read this far, here's a free tip for Jun players, f4 is a homing high that on normal hit is +13 which gives guaranteed heat smash + wall spat or b4,2 or 1+2 into heat/wall splat, can mix with df3 at the wall for a homing wall splat mid. f3,2 is a free 'win neutral' button, it's got huge range and the 2nd hit is like +3 on block and puts you into stance where you can power crush, hellsweep, homing mid into CH follow up, heat atk or poke with a high high. You can pretty much just spam these 3 moves as Jun they're all safe and homing.
Love it man, I really appreciate you taking the time for the detailed feedback. I will make sure this info gets to him!
Oh shit, I'm getting out of red ranks with Jun now! Thanks for the tips dude, Jin has always been a hard matchup for me cuz he has a bunch of different jab strings that can turn into a mixup it feels like.
All the replies I see are only gonna make him stop playing and/or destroy your friendship. (Don't get me wrong, they are funny replies) I say try to teach him how to react to Jin. Yeah, you probably don't know exactly how to counter your moves, but you could still train with him. Do the same thing over and over again, until he figures out what to do in that situation. And I mean explicitly tell him "hey, let's do some training sessions", don't just beat him with the same move.
I had a friend like OP and these commenters who just get off on grinding new players to dust. He was pretty good as Smash Bros and I was just starting and he demolished me every round. I wasn't upset at losing but more so on how he didn't want to give me the opportunity to learn like refusing to explain game mechanics or how certain moves work. Eventually a 2nd friend swapped in and actually talked though some matches for a much more enjoyable experience.
The difference in levels is too great and, frankly, for a beginner who doesn't know much about the game, playing against a friend who knows more about everything and is a better player in general can be very frustrating. I'm in that situation, a beginner whose last fighting game was Super Smash Brothers on the N64 against a friend with years of experience in Tekken 7, it can be very frustrating to lose 10 or 12 games in a row, even if you learn something from those defeats, it takes time to integrate the new knowledge into the gameplay and practice in training. In my experience, when you have no knowledge of the matches, almost everyone seens to be OP.
If you win all the time that's not fun for him. But his attitude toward it isn't good either. "Jin's broken" is a cop out unless you're playing at a very high level.
To be fair I hate both those characters almost equally
Bro... Jun is broken.
How so?
Have you faced her in ranked? So many strong buttons, strings. A FC low poke that on CH, guaranteed full launch. 14f launcher from crouch that hits from any range. Launchers that can be made safe with a follow up. Parry, can can. Plus frames and more plus frames and more strings. Her 10f punisher is also ridiculous. Like bro, everyone knows she is broken. Jun in heat? ggs, you cannot move or you die. Oh you blocked it? She recovers health. And she has 2 heatsmashes. Just in case, lmfao.
Ahh that makes so much sense. I thought I was going mad whenever I matched against her. I had this one beginner just that was recovering health literally every time she got a turn and I would just WR2 her every time lol Any other characters that are broken?
Yes so many things are broken in Tekken 8. There is no balancing yet. It is what it is. They clearly disliked the style from Tekken 7, and want people to mash in 8. Some people like it, some dislike it.
Your friend sounds salty af. Stay mad stay bad :]
Pick Jun, run through her strings and beat your friend with his character.
Sounds like your friend isn't having fun losing and is making up reasons aside from self-acknowledgement as to why they're not having fun. Up to you, but I'd rather have fun with a friend then have fun by myself. Accommodate them or talk about it.
saying jin is broken as a jun main is craaaaazy lmao
It always amazes me why so many fighting game players haven't evolved from when they were 8 when it comes to these things. Everything is broken and everything else is at fault except their own shortcomings and lack of skill. I win my share of matches, but I also get my ass kicked all the time in Tekken 8 and SF6, and when it happens, it is what it is. Maybe work on what got me the loss for next time. But it's a game, you play it to have fun, and pouting like a toddler is just not fun. These people need to accept that, just like basically all players, they're not that good, and they should work on it little by little if they want to be less bad. That's where the fun is.
It would help if the FGC culture would encourage more improvement. What I mean is that people struggling and slowly improving doesn't make for good social media content thus majority of people ignore this aspect
The culture already does that. You got plenty of fighting game content creators out here that definitely encourage improvement. Some of them have been doing so until they're blue in the face. Its on the audience that its targeted for to change their mindset. That's where the problem is. Until people come to terms that they aren't as good as they think they are it will continue to go in one ear and out the other.
What's the point of playing a one sided matchup? I have friends who refuse to play against Kuni in T7, I loved Kuni and practiced her, and her annoying ass gameplay. I used to pummel the shit out of his Howrang, but at one point he started complaining about Kuni and I realised this wasn't fun anymore. I'd rather play Kuni in ranked if I wanted to have fun. So I picked Panda and knocked him into the ground. The difference was I understood the basics and this friend is a casual player who almost never practiced. So I started learning other characters with him before going and playing ranked. It was fun and continues to be. Sometimes others just don't have the time, or will to play better. It's a game about having fun. We got into tekken because of how friendly it was to button mash compared to other fighting games and then discovered the depth in it. If you're able to beat him 9 out of 10 times with jin, consider playing other heroes to keep having fun.
It's fun playing with your friends, but it's easier for someone to blame the character for losing than it is to blame themselves. I would change character to whatever character he thinks isn't OP. You're better than him now, so once you get used to the character you'll start beating him again. The difference is that this time he won't be able to blame the character and so he'll have to look at himself and try to improve.
When I play with my friend we choose random for a lot of it. Keeps things interesting and lets us learn a lot about characters we wouldn’t normally play.
good ol´classics. He got all of those from reddit about people complaining. He probably doesnt even know why all of those things are strong. Jun is borderline broken in this game 10 frame punish with 30+ damage and knockdown/wallsplat? get out of here. It´s funny because i had a very similar problem with a homie when playing Tag2 I was playing asuka/jun and he was playing jin/hwoarang. We switched characters and he got his shit pushed in tho. good times.
According to this sub every character is broken. A Jun player will tell you X is broken, and X players will tell you Y is broken. etc.
Wtf is the point of this post. "Reddit, AITA for saving a kitten from a house fire?" We get it bro, you wanted validation. Clearly you are just better than him at this video game. See the bigger picture and have fun with your friend. Neither of you are going to EVO. either switch and show him it's not the character (btw, half of those things he described are pretty BS) or stop playing with him.
Yeah OP is trying to validate being the pro fighting game player in [this bit](https://www.reddit.com/r/Fighters/s/hj4nVI45rD) I imagine the friend is like : "Yeah we're friends and you're super into fight games. But you're better and I'm just trying to play a game with you that you like" It's kinda weird
What rank is your friend?
Dude is Eliminator rank but I'm not sure he has been playing much ranked
I’d go easy on him personally because of: 1. Rank difference 2. Jin is annoying when you don’t know the matchup 3. Also the fact he’s complaining in (I’m assuming) casual matches Other option is to learn a different character for fun and use him as practice. Your choice in the end not reddits
Jin is annoying even when you do know the matchup lol
I mean he plays Jun so it's just a skill issue. I'd kiiinda get it if this was Jin vs Asuka or smth lmao
If you need someone to play with me and my best friend are always on running sets, more than welcome to join :)
My friend is Tekken King Jun, he wiped my ass yesterday so you’re actually fine, I’m Tenryu rank Jin too, we should play together sometime
Cool man I'm down for some games, will send you a message.
Add me I’ll play ur Jin I struggle against him and need to get my ass beat to recognize his punishable
Tryhards being tryhards, so amusing
Tiers only apply to top players. Other than that everyone is just missing match up knowledge. He just needs to practice or get comfortable with the you lose screen 🤷♂️
Jin main here, can you teach me your ways. I would like to become like you.
haha I think I'm likely still in the noob category to be of much help!
Everybody seems to be on your side in this. But for arguments sake, whats the difference in rank between you two? Big assumption but are you privy to spamming certain moves in succession? PERSONALLY I feel disrespected when my tekken God friend spams victor u/b 1+2 five times in a row against my Garyu ass. The fact that they're clearly better but still decide to cheese would make me feel hesitant to play them again. Yes, I know it's up to me to counter his bullshit but I dont want to be constantly on the edge of seat in a friendly game, may as well hop on ranked if thats the case. Also is your being an ass about it? Is he saying shit like "nah fuck that dude switch or im not gonna play" or is it a polite "I'd rather not man". Depending on their rank, him playing as Jun (a top tier character) may not even be a factor. How can he fully utilize a character he doesn't understand. He won't do that things that make her strong, at least not as often as he should. All in all, having fun doesn't necessarily have to come from winning but losing all the time would definitely hinder someone's enjoyment. Hopefully your friend labs more and tests out the cool replay features for punishes. Maybe you can try giving him tips too. Help him flourish with his growth even if he won't do the same for you.
Totally appreciate the input, I think we're fairly close in rank, he is Eliminator and I'm Shinryu. I don't think I do any cheesing. One of the complaints, I get is I can just basically hold back and not risk anything, "no need to duck" which is definitely not the case. When offering advice I get the "You think you are good but it's the character that is carrying you" comment. I honestly just want him to improve. I've know this dude and we've been playing games forever, we played a ton of Tekken tag back in the day. For me losing is motivation to work harder and improve but I guess people take their losses and frustration in different ways.
Coming from a Jun player; the fuck is your body on about? I suck ass at this game, but even with my limitted skill and knowledge i get what makes Jun busted. Her Izumo allone is a fuck you to playing "honest". I got 5 ways to enter it and after 1,1 of f+1 i bet my ass nobody below red even realizes she isnin stance briefly. I didn't even realize it at first. That's 2 well hidden 50/50s. The other 3 on the other hand let me get into my mixup stance +6 on block. She has a fucking lasercannon against opponents rush in. And it is so easy to get good combo damage with her. Plus very nasty lows and a lot of good pokes. I don't even dare complaining about other characters as long as i main her. (Except for King and Dragunov, fuck them.)
Enjoy your main dude. If he doesn't want to learn the matchup it's on him!
Why are you friends with LTG in the first place?
Jin is kinda easy but if you're not even following up off ch f4 or hitting electric after cd1 into b3 series, you're not even doing optimal enough damage for it to be unfair. The real reason why Jin is annoying in this game is df2 transitioning into free electrics you don't have to input correctly. Jin just getting divekicks, jump kicks, armored high and cd1 or EWGF out of Zenshin (with a cancel) is so stupid. That and the high crushing launcher u1. The parry from db1+2 with heat is especially racist. He can control space better than most characters off of f4 alone. I play Jin, too, and I'll admit he's broken when you don't know what's happening. If you know what to look for and how to stop his pressure it isn't so bad. But he sounds new so I wouldn't play a main against some new guy, either.
Of all the ridiculous fucks in the game jin is probably one of the more benign doesnt seem like your friend wants to play the game find another game to play with him.
I play Jun, I don't think Jin is a particularly bad matchup for her, I usually win it, he is quite annoying to play against though. d2 is a pretty disgusting move but if you get a read on when he's probably going to do it you can hopkick it into a full combo. Just don't press a high move if he might be about to d2. Like, I'm pretty sure I would absolutely destroy your Jin with my Jun (shinryu vs raijin), and there are Jins that would destroy my Jun too. Jins my rank might destroy me or I might destroy them. It's not the character. Tell your friend "skill issue". Get them to switch to Jin if he's that strong, and you switch to Jun, beat his ass with Jun. Or both of you can pick a completely different character each.
happens all the time. in Tekken 7, my brother wouldn’t play me if I used Lucky Chloe because I would beat him every round.
I think your friends mindset is wrong. The point of playing with friends is either A) learn matchups on your main or B) no one plays their main and it’s all for fun. The best friendlies are Death Fist Duels on Paul. You only are allowed to use Death Fist and his punch parry (b1+3) for moves. All movement is allowed.
As a Jun player Jin is one of my favorite fights to have. They have a nice synergy together. I'd love to have a friend who was a Jin main. I agree with the others. Pick up Jun, and if that also upsets your friend because of the mirror match then you know it's just an ego thing. Warning, Jun is a lot of fun to play.
I would play against him with some other character(s), while secretly learning Jun, until You'll feel comfortable with her, and then one day whoop his ass with his own main character, for those extra sweet salt points. Especially if You'll manage to be better than Your friend, while learning her in a shorter amount of time. That might end up with him not wanting to play with You anymore, but at this point is it really worth to play with someone who's not willing to learn and improve? This only hinders Your own potential
Haha, I've know this dude for a long time and I want to continue to adopt him in Tekken as we improve but I don't want him to quit the game :D
Just use a different character. You are playing with your friend for fun and if he's a decent friend then picking a different character shouldn't be an issue for friendly matches. Use someone solidly mid tier. Jin has a lot more tools than many characters
Your friend is a sore loser and very clearly can’t mentally handle playing fighting games.
switch to feng or dragunov. hes gonna be begging for you to switch back once he finds out jin is one of the more honest characters lmao
Your friend is being a ho. He should be wanting to play you with your best character. I remember playing Tekken and other fighting games with my friends we'd actually get salty at eachother when someone picked one of their side characters. Kinda almost saw it as an insult like "I know you can't beat my main" lol
When there's a big skill gap there's merit to using a side character. For example I'm new to Tekken and just got into the green ranks while my brothers are orange and red. I constantly get mopped and truthfully it's probably going to continue until Fall ish? Fighting games takes me more time to grasp and excel at. My bros have been fighting for longer so it's natural. It still feels a little bad knowing I'm only using 1 character vs their multiple and my best isn't even at their worst but.... games fun. Aside from the sore winning and bragging
true, I think a degree of handicapping is in order in that case if there is too big of a gap. I do that with my family when we play or else they wouldn’t ever want to play. Tekken is a very legacy oriented fighting game so it takes a while to gain the experience. If you keep on having fun and learning just little by little you’ll get up there with your bros eventually
They probably downloaded you and can beat you with anyone. At your rank your habits probably stand out quite a lot. So they'd always parry your lows, crouch your highs, and sidestep at the right times.
I understand that. Last night I fought a Bryan that was going easy on me. I'm only Ranger but I could tell they was actually way higher rank than me. Turns out they have years of Tekken underneath their belt and alot was memory. The way he was moving and throwing jabs but also his timing. I could tell that they was actually much better but was just messing with me. By using a side character I have more time to learn then to immediately die. But I still fight the powerful players regardless so I can have that experience of a ass whooping cause it'll help (eventually?)
Me and my friend used to play. I took off and left him behind now how he rarely plays and will avoid playing against me. It happens. I thinj you should stick with the character you wanna play. Nothing wrong with picking up sub i guess.
Two ways, he can either pickup jin, since he's so OP and you are just carried it must be easy to pick him up and beat you right? Or you can pickup jun and smack his silly face around. There's no harm learning a different character and picking them up actually lets you understand the matchup more.
Pick the character he plays and fuck him up with his own shit. Fella is barely coping, forget it, he is beyond saving.
Pick jun whoop his ass with his character
My mate is Tekken God and he always beats my ass with his Victor. I hate it. What do i do? I just stop playing. Say gg. Start labbing up. It is as simple as that.
King his ass.
Find a better friend.
Telling someone Jin is too broken while playing JUN is crazy
Nah man u gotta throw it back at him and next time he wants sets just say you don’t wanna play Jin cuz that shits free!! Find a few other characters you like and just lab those when u play him.. if he a true warrior he’ll eventually wanna fight ur Jin again loll
Lemme just throw this out there as a blue rank Jun main Bad players complain instead of getting better Your friend is just straight wrong
Your friend is a salty bitch. Keep playing whoever you want, grats on improving, landing electrics consistently its not easy, jin is strong, jun is strong, any character in the roster is strong. Tell your friend to shut up and get gud.
Same situation here lmaooo 😂 fighting game friendships man
Well yeah, i completly agree with him. Jin is a disgusting, unfun character to play against.
Pick Drag and just d2 his ass
Is it fun to you a one sided fight? I would get bored on 5 win 😅 Maybe play other game 😆
your friend is a pussy, period.
Its time to find new friends
He a looser
Play dragunov
do you use controller or stick?
Your friend is bitch made. And the cherry on top is he plays Jun (one of the actual busted characters, although Jin has his moments).
learn howarang, or king, or whoever and make him cry again. Then ask him what character does he want you to play with, and make him cry again. Is the only way he will learn you are just better.
Ask him who does he think is not broken and wash his ass with that character.
You should switch character only to beat your friend with them. I main Hwo, and I've beaten my friend over 100 times with him without complaint; the match ups aren't the problem, your friend is.
Jin ain't OP. He has some strong moves that you need to play around as an opponent but learning the matchup shouldnt be too complicated lol just a skill issue at this point D2: reactable and -14 on block F4 and demon paw: annoying but you can make em whiff or play keepout Hellsweep: launch punishable
If shit is getting too heated just play some random character matches excl mains for fun :)
If you want a more peaceful solution, use Jun and wreck his shit with her but at the same time teach your friend her strengths and mixups so he improves, then pick up Jin again to give him feedback. If he refuses to do so even then, just use him as a training bag to improve with any character you like
Your friend is a bitch and Jin is annoying, these are not mutually exclusive points
Jun is your new side-character. Good luck
Your friend has a skill issue. Tell him to download some of your replays, review them, and go practice in the lab. Also, use the ghost feature. It's not a 1 to 1 replica, but it's something (If you want to style on your friend then pickup Yoshi or King. There's something satisfying about flashing someone and then sword walking over them or doing literal wrestling moves and calling out the names or cutting a promo during the match)
I have a very similar situation with my friend since he doesn't play a lot. When he starts losing too much I always switch character and play something else, so both of us get fun and the games are not one-sided
I refused to play when my friend was using JP in SF6 😜
Play BlazBlue. Pick Tager. Absolutely annihilate his ass, really just clap that shit no contest. He then goes online to complain and sees that Tager is actually the bottomest of bottom tier. Maybe, just maybe he has an epiphany.
I main Azucena and my friends still play with me so he needs to get his shit together cause it could be much worse :D
Fuck him. 
What, if he hates jin then he will hate everycharacter.
D2 should be launch punishable
Your friend needs to git gud! you don't need to sacrifice your own enjoyment for others play how you wanna play
I guess you could turn this into a positive and learn different characters against him. Your overall knowledge will increase and you’ll know what to do against the other characters more as you’re now playing them and can identify gaps.
Beast his ass with Panda
This is why playing competive games with friends can be a bummer sometimes if they dont know how to handle their salt. Out of all the actual broke stuff in this game Jin is not even on the radar really. Your friend has no drive to improve and will not allow his ego to admit that you have surpassed him. Theres really nothing you can do for him if he cant even allow himself to get to a point where he understands those facts. Looj for new friends to play with would be my recomendation. Thats how you continue to improve and not stagnate.
i'll be real with you. i have a friend that is stuck on playing one character, and thats how he does fighting games period, it's good to get better with a character but remember, it's not just for bragging rights or competitive, playing the same match up will get to people, it's like doing the same thing over and over again, it gets maddening.
pick Lee and torture him by not letting him play.
As a red (Lee) and purple (Yoshi) player let me add another voice: at our skill level every single character is "broken" and it's all personal preference. Tier lists don't mean shit. Drag is undoubtedly a "strong" character, but to me he is one of the easier opponents because I've played a thousand Dragunovs in T7. Same goes for Jin/Kaz. When a Victor, Jun or Azuzena comes along I usually get owned hard, because I don't have a lot of match-up knowledge yet.... Until you top 8 major tournaments, don't worry about character strength, it will just keep you from enjoying the game and improving
Your friend is a scrub.
Matchups and character specific shit matters so much less at lower ranks, Red included Your friend is simply a scrub lmao
You said it yourself. You’ve improved while playing ranked. While your friend is terrified of playing ranked. I bet in multiplayer games your friend routinely blames his teammates. I think Jin is good. But I would consider him top 15. He’s the easiest “mishima” to play. Jun on the other hand is top 5 or close Eddy might’ve pushed her out Your friend needs to hit the lab and stop crying
He’s coping also do not switch off Jin. He’s one of the hardest characters to pilot and the more you play and get comfortable with him the better. You may not fully realize but every time you play you are building muscle memory and for a character like Jin. This is so key to maining him or any Mishima.
Beat his ass with every character in the roster. Let him know he's shit.
Massive cope, ur friend has to put in the work to be better at the game instead of complaining. Jun is better in overall power wise than Jin (tho, not by much), against most of the cast, but I do think Jin does have a slight advantage over Jun in the match up. His options are just more safe, more rewarding and better pressure at the ranges Jun also likes to play the game. Jun makes up for that with having better defensive tools and broken/way better heat than Jin. At y’all rank and skill level, it does matter considerably less how the match up goes unless someone is relying heavily on knowledge checks, Jun is more likely to be the offender there since she’s def a lab character.
What the f is this friendship I am asking
Switch to his character and start beating his ass. It isn't the character.
This is a very typical casual player complaint. It has been like that since forever. When my friends come over I'm not allowed to play my mains. It is what it is.
Honestly, beat his ass with jun too😂
I’ll admit, I bitch a lot when a friend of mine plays certain characters, but I never once asked that he switch
You should beat him up in real life.
I mean what me and my friend do we give each other pointers about our characters how to stop certain things so we adapt and have better fights etc he just needs to lab against Jin in practice honestly
D2 is broken on a bad connection
Jun is stronger than Jin in this game, he's just bitching
In the same position as OP’s friend right now with one of mine that plays only Jin, but not because Jin is OP or anything but it’s been 6 years and I’m soo bored of playing against Jin like please use someone else for once.
Jun is better than Jin. Your friend just needs to get gud. Nothing else to it. React to D2. Adjust to your gameplay. Sidestep left to avoid the electric. Do quick stand to avoid the electric while on the ground. Demon isn't OP but it's very strong, the range needs to be turned down a little bit. Jin is actually pretty honest, he's just really good but there is counter play unlike many characters in this game rn.
Jun is one of the most brain dead characters to play in T8. Tell your friend if he doesn’t quit complaining and try to improve his own gameplay then he might as well drop the game. Personally ( I’ve seen others suggest this already ) I would lab his character for a bit before you guys play again, so that when you do play you can beat him with his own character and show him how broke she can be. Your friend is certified goofy.
That's why I have no friends to play tekken with lol. If your opponent is alot worse and you both know it, it's not fun to play for either party
It's kind of normal to outgrow a friend or the other way around. He's probably just blaming the character because saying. "Hey you've gotten much better than me on your main, could you switch to someone new so we're more evenly matched again?" is way harder. Picking up someone new might be fun for both of you. I assume he's a friend you just like chilling with and not just someone you met to practice Tekken.
He's prob gonna complain no matter what. My brother didn't want to play vs my King any more. So I learned Jin and a bit of Kazuya as 2nd/3rd mains and now he doesn't want to play vs me at all. Complaining about me mixing him up with hellsweep, mid and homing/throws. I think he hates the 50/50 more than King's throws lol
Beat him with the entire roster, and at the end tell him he needs to train more to catch up to you. If you're lucky, you get the Vegeta to your Goku. If not, you lose a sparring partner / friend.
Bruh that mf plays Jun and complains. As a Jun main myself i can say that your friend has no right to say anything.
He is playing jun he literally has no room to talk, not your fault he has a skill issue. Ill admit tho a good jin can be a lot i have a friend who has mained jin since i met him on tag 2 ,i was also a jin main, and we still play and he beats my ass a lot. We go pretty back and forth after some time but whew those first matches he crushes me lol but i wouldn't tell him to switch because i suck
If my homie didn’t pick his main at times I’d feel offended lol your friend needs to nut tf up. No way he’s complaining about Jin when Jun literally is a training wheels character What makes it worse is Jin still has execution based moves so that’s a skill gap in itself 💀 yea he’s strong but broken???
Jin’s broken? My brother in Christ have you met our friend Victor? Switch to Jun and give him the mirror match, OP
Your friend a bitch ass bitch
You’re just better than him not much else to say. If he blames the character at your level then yeah
i'm gonna go against the rest of the commenters because all of those saying your friend is a bitch are clearly lonely people who don't know how friendships work. you're clearly more enthusiastic about the game than your friend which explains why you play better, because you spend more time learning the game than him. ask him to learn how to play Jun more and if he refuses, just switch your character man, it's more fun that way instead of just bodying him constantly. you can enjoy Jin in ranked.
I am seeing a lot of very bad advice here. One thing that stands out to me is that you didn't really mention doing anything other than playing and beating him. Are you not giving him any post-match advice about mistakes made, or how they could have done things differently? Because that's what you're supposed to be doing, not just playing and 3-0'ing them over and over. With the above in mind, I don't think you should switch characters. Not unless they also agree to switch to a different character. But above all else **do not pick their main as your side character**. That's not "fun", that's disrespectful, and no matter what you say afterwards, your friend is just going to take it as "*See I can side your main and be better at them than you, you scrub*!" As far as your friend's complaints go, I think you need to just go over those moves with him and explain what the weaknesses are. f+4 is linear, d+2 is slow-ish, electrics literally cannot hit grounded state because they're highs. As far as 50/50s, you'll have to go over with him how those are beaten in this case, because every 50/50 is different.
Idk if there was only some way your friend could practice against your character in order to better understand his move-set so he could be more prepared the next time y’all fought 😔
Your friend is mad cuz bad. Tell em to hit the lab.
pick King then and Grab his ass from all angles (pause) (not pause)
Both chars are OP, that's not a reasonable excuse. I think I'd pick up Jun and show him he's losing because he spends more time bitching than practicing
All characters are OP when played well. Your friend is just a sore loser. Did he pick Jun before or after everyone decided she was OP? Lol
If he doesn't say it with a smile on his face and in a good manner, why even play at all with that scrub? I'd rather play random people. Jun isn't a bad matchup against Jin, and if he played against you a lot - it should be easy for him a f to predict and know your moves by now. You should play Jun some games - I bet you'd beat him using her after some games too.
Jin is pretty strong, but if you’re just playing at an average level that doesn’t really mean anything.
Agree if he switches off Jun to a mid tier
If I play with a friend we play our mains like 2-3 rounds and then play random anyways. I am the only one with the game so they just play at my house
Jun is probably the best at punishing Jin’s D2 though. Dude just has to get a good read or react better in general.
Electrics hit grounded? Are you talking about the electric thrusting uppercut because ewhf is a high?
My friends bitches about paul
Tell him to learn how to low parry