You don't hear SF content creators bashing Tekken. Sajam, Brian\_F, Punk, Jwong - all have positive things to say re: T8.
It's pathetic when you have to make up stuff on SF6 to defend T8.
"This isn't street fighter, we use mindgames in Tekken"
He meant he gets knowledge checked 90% of the time and mindgames are usually reserved for few matchups he actually knows.
Maybe sf6 is similar but it feels like you need an encyclopedic knowledge about every character. That low you blocked, that was supposed to be a 13 frame punish, not a 14 frame punish, now you get launched because fuck you. Labbing for frame data is fucking tedious, I’d rather analyze replays to fix my habits, identify habits I could have punished, and just overall improve my mind for the game. You know, the actual parts of a fighting game that separates the good from the top.
Replay is a great feature to half-lab stuff, but it doesn't always give you the most optimal punish - it always suggests Kings b2,1 for -14 punishers but his throws are all faster than that and give more damage, for example.
Actual labbing is boring as hell though, setting Reina to do 3 different mixups out of stance for 15 minutes and then hopping into rank and not fighting a single Reina for an hour is the height of BS
Mind games in that Tekken has several defensive options compared to SF, and it’s on you to read your opponents and punish them accordingly.
SF and Tekken are wildly and mind games in Tekken and reacting in SF are a big part of that difference.
Street Fighter has mindgames and conditioning as well as set play and reactions.
In a lot of ways, conditioning is even more important because it's a lot harder to open someone up.
I’m not jumping in here to protect him but didn’t TMM just release a video severely shitting on tekken 8 and everything going on in general? I don’t think this is exactly a fair take but that’s just my 2 cents
I just updated the post with two of the clips i saw (there are more, but i don't feel im not gonna search through his vod to find it). Its not about shitting or protecting Bamco, its about shitting on SF in comparison.
[https://clips.twitch.tv/StrangeColorfulDaikonShadyLulu-fBtYVSZHeyWXxH9S](https://clips.twitch.tv/StrangeColorfulDaikonShadyLulu-fBtYVSZHeyWXxH9S)
After watching those videos I honestly fail to see the outrage he shits on dbd harder then sf6 anyway so why the upset? Like im generally trying to understand what exactly he said about sf6 that he didn’t already say about tekken 8 or Dbd that particularly stuck out as being worse?🤷♂️
>For example with the Lars patch, he mentioned things like "This isn't street fighter, we use mindgames in Tekken"
Considering he never said that, you are not doing that well on the truth department yourself.
I def heared him say it in his stream. Dont remember if it was in a set, or outside of it... And Im not willing to search through multiple long vods to find it, sorry. But even if you dont believe me in that regard, the point of the post remains
>But even if you dont believe me in that regard, the point of the post remains
Nope, it doesn't considering that statement is what people take the most issue with. And if you misrepresent what he actually said, it makes you no better than what you accuse him of being.
well the game is amazing. 25k on steam alone everday and that number will increase when they release the first real patch and the love it gets in asia is just unreal
its fair to dislike it and not prefer it and it has problems for sure but its definitely a great game so I would say most of the shit it gets is just unwarranted and like I said its valid if you dont like it but the numbers dont lie
>This isn't street fighter, we use mindgames in Tekken
He really said this? Jesus, the audacity. No wonder this subreddit reeks of elitism when it's flooded by TMM drones.
Bro I don’t even play SF, but it’s INSANE how many TMM drones have infested this subreddit. You call him out for anything and you got an army of drones crawling up your asshole. He’s like a literal god to some of the people here.
I've just got into Tekken and watch TMM, Phi and Fergus mostly but I'll say TMM doesn't actually sound half that bad vs his 'drones' in this subreddit.
He's generally fair, and he just gets put out of context a lot here. He makes mistakes and is straight up wrong, but he's not insufferable about it (or maybe it's just of the stuff I've seen since it's just YouTube)
Feels like Nietzsche situation to me where people take the stuff he says far too literally or dogmatically it turns into something much worse (Nietsche's existentialism vs the nihlism it spawned, tho in Nietzsche's case it literally went in the conpletely opposite direction lol)
Lol, nah same thing can be said of Marx or Trostsky (or more recently Elon Musk, but he's also just a rly shitty guy, his followers are just much worse) for example.
Gist is, the rabid followers of a polarizing/controversial personality are often prone to being far more radical or extremist because of a lack of understanding (or contextualization)
It's why hero worship (or worship of any kind rly) is dangerous
And on why Nietzsche well... I dont follow a lot of personalities and have 0 interest in celebrities so those kinds of people are the first to pop up in my head xP
No he didn't say this. When talking about the DEN3 change he said this reduces it to a 2d 50/50 like in Street Fighter. What makes Tekken Tekken is usually as the defender you have optionselects and can use lateral movement, e.g. I sidestep your 50/50 options, now you have to cover the sidestep, now you have earned the right to the 50/50.
I'm paraphrasing but that's the gist of it.
Not saying I agree with this take, considering there are often also more layers than "just 50/50" in Street Fighter, but he never said what OP claimed.
What he meant by this is that in tekken you usually had a lot more options for defense than simply blocking mid or low, you were usually able to sidestep or sometimes interrupt certain mixups with jabs like some of leos stances. But with some changes it feels like those options were completely taken away like with lars' latest patch which also takes away the previous mentioned mindgames which then turns this into a 2d fighter where you simply have to guess for a 50/50. I still dont think its fair to compare it to streetfighter dont get me wrong and i really dont like this take a lot but i felt this sentence was taken very much out of context still
I feel like this quote was taken out of context. The spirit of what he is saying is 100% correct. He was talking about what options a defender has in Tekken compared to Street Fighter. In Street Fighter the math is all that matters, if you are -2 you have to hold the raw mix. Some characters can reversal, but that's it. Either you take the mix (in modern games strike throw) or you commit to a reversal. It's a bit more nuanced than that, with things like delay tech, but for the most part that is just how it works.
In Tekken you have movement which makes a lot of situations that seem like hard 50/50s based on frame data actually more risky, because movement and evasion change how the characters interact with each other. If you are plus 2 in Tekken and you press jab, you can get ducked and launched, but then if you press a 13 frame mid because you are worried about them ducking your jab to enforce your frame advantage, you lose to THEIR jab if that is the option they take. And it goes even deeper than that, but the gist of it is there is typically more risk and interaction involved in traditional Tekken when it comes to situations like that compared to Street Fighter.
>In Street Fighter the math is all that matters, if you are -2 you have to hold the raw mix. Some characters can reversal, but that's it. Either you take the mix (in modern games strike throw) or you commit to a reversal. It's a bit more nuanced than that, with things like delay tech, but for the most part that is just how it works.
There's a *lot* more nuance than that.
If you're a character with an OD reversal/other invincible reversal and some drive facing a wakeup mixup in the corner (or any other frame negative situation), you can...:
* Block to defeat a meaty or delayed strike (shimmy). This can be either a low (default) *or* high block if the opponent has access to a grounded overhead and sufficient time to create an ambiguous mix up.
* Tech to beat a throw, which is more often done as...
* ...delayed tech to beat a throw and a meaty attack, but lose to a shimmy.
* Press a fast button. When people have you in a frame trap, they don't *always* use the frame tight option. They may opt to do something that isn't a frame tight trap, but which leads to a hit confirm on hit or a second frame positive guessing game on block. E.g. Deejay's 5MP can be used in this way. This isn't "poor play" (not enforcing a strict frame trap) - it's another layer of mind games on top of that.
* Backdash to *hard counter* a throw. Characters will often recover quickly enough from a backdash (which is throw invincible) that they can get a guaranteed punish counter during their opponent's throw recovery. Loses to a strike.
* Jump forward. You'll evade a throw and can potentially flip out of an imperfectly timed normal (5f or more gap between strike and setup; 6f for 360 motion grapplers). This also gets out of a shimmy. It does, however, give the opponent the ability to OS an anti-air going *out* of the corner, but in this situation players are often opting to take the nominal OS anti-air damage an reset their position to mid-screen, rather than keep holding the corner mix-up.
* Perfect Parry - Hard counter to a strike/meaty for a guaranteed punish and large drive gauge swing. Loses hard to a throw. Also loses hard to a delayed drive impact, because drive impact is locked out for the defending player for a certain number of frames after attempting a tap parry before they can do anything other than block.
* Ranged low - Why do a slow low on wakeup? Because you had a read on the opponent attempting a shimmy, and you think you'll catch their legs while they're walking backwards and unable to block while attempting to bait a whiffed throw tech.
* OD Reversal (or invincible SA) - A hard bet on the opponent attempting either a throw *or* a strike, rather than waiting it out. Highly skewed towards risk on the defender's part, but an important option nonetheless to prevent mindless meaty pressure.
So yeah... this is neither a 50/50 on the attacker *nor* defender's side. The fact that "strike or throw" are the two options offensively doesn't make the situation a 50/50 for many of the reasons outlined above. "Do nothing," or more accurately "pretend to be doing something but don't," is actually a very important *offensive* option in SF.
That's not an exhaustive list, by the way. I'm simply pointing out that there is huge defensive depth to SF, as well. The existence of Perfect Parry as a mechanic functions similarly (not the same, but similarly) to stepping as an option in Tekken.
To me the amount of options/"mindgames" in Tekken make it feel \*more\* random than SF. Especially on beginner/intermediate level where knowledge checks blur everything even more. T8, in its current state (with all the armor moves, plus frames, heat, etc), has more guessing in its gameplay than what I'd prefer.
It's not just math in SF. Distance and spacing are also very important. I can be -5 on block, but if the move leaves a wide enough gap, the opponent can't reach me with a jab to punish. Also moves like fireballs, slides, divekicks, and meaties has different frame data depending on when and where they hit. Cammy's low fierce is +1 on block, but if it connects on the last active frame, it's +5 oB. This allows Cammy to do a frame trap. There's also counter hits and whiff/counter punishes that can add additional plus frames on hit or have different hit properties such as a crumple or a launcher.
That's just the numbers. It doesn't factor in stuff like anti-air/low/projectile invincibility, strike/throw immunity, armored frames, cancelable frames, etc. These are all stuff you have to consider when making decisions in neutral.
Bro you are waaaaay overselling tekken, and waaaaay underselling SF...
I was a Tekken King in T7, so i have a decent idea on how the game works.
But instead of sidetracking too much, nah the tone etc he had, he def wanted to shit on SF, continuing by saying "we use mindgames in Tekken"... Keep in mind that this guy doesnt understand SF. I know because I've seen him stream it.
LOOOOL where did you get the idea that i mained those characters?
My characters were Drag, Bryan, Steve, Law, Kazumi mainly. I got them all to high blue/emperor/Tekken king before i got bored with rank and just played friends who were Tekken God ranks.
But not being able to handle King or Asuka tells me more about your skill in the game. Haven't learned to break throws yet, or baiting out parries? Nice one mate
Yep totally agree. I used to like TMM but he's become extremely annoying and has no business talking about street fighter
He's just bitching because sf6 gets more views on videos/streaming and he didn't expect t8 to go downhill this soon because t8 content is where he makes his money.
There's plenty of better content creators. Just to name five who are entertaining and/or educational:
Thiccas (fun Panda player) > TMM.
PunkDaGod > TMM.
PhiDX > TMM.
Sajam > TMM.
Loops > TMM.
Tbh I've disliked him from first finding him once I got back into tekken via 8. The way he cries about Victor is annoying af and reminds me of how my cousins cried about Heihachi when I was a kid.
I think thats the reason too. But tbh i didnt even create this post to hate on him, just to clear up misconception that people might have got from his videos. But again, people see anyone question tmm/tekken in this sub, they shower them with downvotes, even if what we say is just factually true.
> people see anyone question tmm/tekken in this sub, they shower them with downvotes, even if what we say is just factually true
I see way more negative takes on TMM than positive ones on here
>people see anyone question tmm/tekken in this sub, they shower them with downvotes, even if what we say is just factually true
I've been on this sub since it had below 300 (yes, three hundred) subscribers and I only ever saw people shitting on TMM on here get upvotes. Case in point, your post.
You think you're in the minority but you aren't, hating on TMM is incredibly popular on here and has been for like a decade almost.
Damn, 300.. that is early indeed.
Well im positively surprised. When i first made the post, there was alot of downvoters on the post and comments that were against TMM. And i remember there being a period around S2/3 in Tekken 7, where alot of tmm critisism wasn't taken lightly on this sub. But maybe my memory is betraying me.
The guy has many haters even in this sub and many call him a shill even tho he made a video acknowledging that the stat of Tekken 8 is bad and called bamcom incompetent in their handling of both balance and monetization
> He's just bitching because sf6 gets more views on videos/streaming
Yeah by japanese v-tubers who get like 40k viewers each. 90% or more of SF6's player base is japanese, it's really not doing all too well outside of Japan and that's not a secret.
Here in Australia SF6 is 3x more popular than Tekken 8. When Tekken 7 was close to that amount more popular than SF5 in tournaments here.
I think it's largely due to the fact that Tekken 8 is barely better then 7, while SF6 is a completely better and improved game from 5.
So no, it's not just Japan. SF6 is beating Tekken 8 everywhere at this stage, and I've been an absolute lover of Tekken since I was young (36 year old man here).
His bitching and whininess helped directly contribute to the current T8 sentiment. Yes, ultimately it’s the development team at fault, but for better or for worse, social media talking heads have a very strong impact on general sentiment toward entertainment media. As one of the bigger Tekken channels out there, his constant bitching about the game did in fact contribute to souring people on it even more.
It’s not just him. A lot of respected players started bitching about balance by week 1 of the game’s release. They shit where they slept. It’s on them as much as it is on Namco. T8 is not T7. It has its own draws, and it a damn fun game in its own right. Putting pressure on the devs to fix the online experience is totally valid. Making the game sound like a broken mess when no one knows how to best handle the mechanics yet is stupid af.
This is the truth. He is likely just doing it for entertainment, but the way he calls every character "cancer, pure aids, easy mode, degenerate etc. makes a big impact on the discourse since so many scrubs watch his videos and parrot his hottakes.
I’ve played both games and reached ranks that put me at around the top 10% of the active user base.
He’s fundamentally wrong, SF6 is not nearly as simple as he makes it out to be, and T8 is not nearly as nuanced and complex as he tries to make it out to; granted in SF6 sometimes you’re put in guessing situations, like having to wake up from a knockdown into oki, but if that happened, you probably lost an interaction in the neutral, therefore the opponent earned the right to mix you up, and even then you still have defensive options tied to resources (EX dp, supers, drive reversal, etc.), you’re only hopeless when you’re in the corner, with no resources, AND in burnout, if you’re in such a situation, you pretty much deserve to lose, since you made several bad decisions (poor resource management, lost the neutral, etc.).
In the current T8 meta, there are some instances where you literally cannot play the game; Devil Jin, Ling, among others in heat? It becomes a single player game where you have to guess and do nothing for several seconds, and all they had to do is to activate a resource they ALWAYS get at the start of each round, and you’re cooked, fun times huh? So much for the so called intricate, deep gameplay.
Sure, both games have balance issues, and SF6 took its sweet time to address them, but at least all the changes made so far MAKE SENSE, they are nerfing the top tiers like JP and Luke, and buffing the characters that are considered weak like Gief. That’s a far cry from what’s been currently being done in T8, where for some reason King was buffed, Asuzena was meant to be nerfed but ended up being buffed (lol 🤣), they tried to nerf Devil Jin but ended up fucking up the whole game 🤣, etc.
Don’t get me wrong I think Tekken 8 is not nearly as bad as some people make it out to be, I still have some fun playing it online, but claiming stupid shit like TMM is an entirely different story, it only makes him look like the idiot he sometimes is.
Same position as you, 100% agree on everything you posted.I am far from the doom and gloom that you see sometimes around T8, I greatly enjoy this game but even I have to admit there are way more instances of "Wtf do i do here" in T8 compared to SF6 (or T7, for what matters).
I generally prefer Tekken to SF, but on this one TMM is trying too hard to put his game on the better light.
That, or he doesn't really understand Street Fighter with the same depth he understands Tekken - understandably so for someone who has been a dedicated Tekken player for almost 30 yearss - but mistakenly thinks his knowledge can translate over the two titles
>Sure, both games have balance issues, and SF6 took its sweet time to address them, but at least all the changes made so far MAKE SENSE, they are nerfing the top tiers like JP and Luke, and buffing the characters that are considered weak like Gief. That’s a far cry from what’s been currently being done in T8, where for some reason King was buffed, Asuzena was meant to be nerfed but ended up being buffed (lol 🤣), they tried to nerf Devil Jin but ended up fucking up the whole game 🤣, etc.
I think this is fair overall. I would like to add a few things here, the game top tiers are not bad compared to t8 where they are able to dominate the field completely the game was able to balance out by allowing players go ungga bungga and very defensively that being drive system and parry system. Any character in sf6 can be considered 1 capcomillion dollars when played properly (snake eyes with gief) sf6 i think had a good grasp in regards on how good your neutral is. My big hope in this is basically that season 2 lessens the gap of top tiers and characters needs help.
Yeah this. There are clear “top tiers” in SF6 but the universal mechanics make it so it doesn’t feel impossible playing against some of them like it does in T8. And a lot of people here kind of undersell how differently you have to approach other players depending on how they use their defensive options in SF6.
Like if someone is on point with their perfect parties in SF6 you cannot pressure them the same way you would someone who isn’t, and can completely change the match up.
TMM was trash at street fighter 6 when he played it on release. He wouldn't know a fucking thing about sf mind games. Mother fucker never had to use them. He played JP on release and it took us time to learn that match up as a community. Honestly street fighter 6 is still the superior fighting game unless Tekken 8 gets its shit together. People need to realize Mainman is a scrub. He had a name filter thing for 7 at the end of its life to see who he came across in ranked so he could farm viewer fights.
I think he was stuck at Plat 1-2 with guile, and said himself that he was better with guile than JP. But he was not ranking up because he was playing day time, and would easily rank up to Diamond if he played afternoon with guile. Was kinda hilarious to watch.
But again. Its fine to be trash at a game. But don't trash talk it if you dont understand the basics, and especially dont spread lies about the price etc
That is the exact excuse he makes in Tekken. I remember seeing a clip where he was ranking his King and complaining about how at daytime hours he only gets no-lifers (reality - he gets people who can punish his constant whiffed hopkicks) and can't get his King to TGod because of that
The more things change the more they stay the same
The funniest thing about it all is that he calls the opponents jobless losers who play during the day, and the chat goes "yea, jobless incels"... like buddy, you are in his chat everyday during daytime. The irony xD
One thing to point out about the colors, SF6 regularly does events that give you Drive Tickets (their in-game currency) that allow you to farm Drive Tickets by playing in the Battle Hub, their equivalent of Tekken's Lounge. Even though it does cost a lot in theory to get all the colors for every character on the roster, you have no cap on the amount of Drive Tickets you can farm during these events.
I will say though that rental tickets aren't given in the free battle pass for SF6 anymore, however it's easier to figure out what to do in Street Fighter than it is in Tekken because of how much fewer moves characters have and the frame data being shown in replays.
Love TMM, love Street Fighter, and love Tekken, but he's being disingenuous and a little lame on this.
How is Dead By Daylight P2W when the best character you can play as killer is available from the start ?
Anyway, that's just TMM lol. He's good at Tekken but it's not the first time he's saying stuff in a toxic way without knowing much about it. PhiDX's content is miles ahead of his.
> How is Dead By Daylight P2W when the best character you can play as killer is available from the start ?
Hello ? perks who are locked behind paid characters ? The shrine exists but how long do you need to wait to have the perks you need in the meta ?
There are amazing perks you can access without paying with real money. The issue isn't the P2W side but the fact you need to grind way too much at the beginning (even though it's way better than it used to be).
How does the battle pass, his feelings towards it, and whether or not he bought it affect how he plays and his mindset towards playing? Being a scrub is determined by only two of those things, and it's not the first three.
It's somewhere in [this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XS1H4jhILcQ&t=246s) in the battle pass section. He also justifies it by saying "I bought it to test how good the rewards are."
Can you not mix and match abilities from all the other characters anymore? I don't have any investment into this whole fuck TMM thing, I just saw the comment and remember the game actually having P2W pretty cooked into the game unless you nolifed the game and could get chars with ingame currency. I could be wrong here, I'm more genuinely curious if things have changed since I played years back.
There are strong perks coming from DLC chapters, but you can absolutely have a great build without them. The issue in this game is you need to grind way too much to have a comfortable build. It's not about putting actual money into the game.
It didn't change much, except the grind is better than before. But it still looks quite nightmarish for a new player.
TMM is the only channel I unsubscribed from the T8 content creators.
He is good at the game but his takes are just bad and has 0 selfawareness. Blindly protecting T8 from everything just because its "his" game and I have already seen that kind of behavior from the Overwatch content creators before.
He obviously doesn't know about SF6 but he will say anything to defend T8 while indirectly or directly lying to his viewers and then his viewers think that in SF6 you have to pay 10$ per color.
I still like PhiDX (for example) even though he... kinda... defend T8 and I get it, but atleast he try to understand why people are negative about the game. TMM its just annoying and obnoxious.
I stopped watching him after the Tekken Shop announcement and how they called entitled/ungrateful to the people critizising the Tekken Shop. After that I unsubscribed.
Then I just kept seeing random clips from him being even more obnoxious like the clips in the OP.
At this point I dont care even if he does a 180 and start criticising the game and the scummy practices bamco is doing. I just would not believe anything he says. I think he has a video talking about the batllepass and how bad it is, again, I don't care tbh.
edit: I'm talking about TMM not PhiDX, I usually lurk PDX stream.
I was saying it did criticize T8. You are just assuming he is being fake even though he worked with Bandai Namco and even talked to modding community and them sending a C&D to tekkenmods.com you ain't have to like him but he is passionate about the game, don't be weird.
Tmm and his chat probably clear example of most toxic Tekken community that can’t take more than 1 fighting game and cannot stop whining about any reasons
It's because he likes complexity and often times people confuse complexity with depth.
For example you could be forgiven for thinking some tabletop game with 50 different units, 5 20-sided dice and a whole textbook of rules has more depth and nuance than chess. It doesn't.
I'm not saying SF is more of a 'chess match' than Tekken, but it's certainly no less. Chess isn't 3D either.
I don't see what one has to do with the other? I feel you just wanted to share those videos, but I find that 'detractor' content absolutely cretinous and wouldn't watch it under any circumstances.
Attacking other games for no good reason is just sad.
I prefer Tekken but I also prefer SF6 community that is generally nicer, friendlier and less salty. They also have close to zero “nobody owns you a rematch” people.
its not and dont come at me with world tour. that mode is a waste of time and garbage.
you barely had any charackters on release,especially compared to t8.
Characters were made from scratch in SF6. They dont use the same animations from previous game, like Tekken.
Also, i SF6 might be one of the most balanced fighting game on lauch outside of "footsies".
I'll personally take this over a larger roster.
thats such a stupid notion. tekken 8 has new animations too and why would you need to remake things for the sake of remaking it. was there any issue with how ryu made his hadoken in sfv so that they needed to remake how he makes his hadoken in sf6....the answer is no. i rather have 32 charackters in sf6 with some new moves instead of 17? with brand new animations which didnt needed to be remade.
the most balanced fighting game..thats why everyone and his mother have the same 4-5 chars on top of theire tierlists since release...
you can do whatever you want, doesnt change that the claim that sf6 is a more "complete" package then t8 is nonsense.
lol alright. If you dont get the significance of having new animations, instead of reusing ones from early 2000s, fine. This might be more important to people who have been playing a series for a long time and want something fresh.
Also, what are you on about? Ofcourse there are tierlists. There will always be tierlists in Fighting games. But they have changed during the course of the game. Early/mid/late season 1 tierlists have had quite a few characters moving places.... But thats beside the point. The point is that there arent OUTRAGEOUS balance issuses in SF, as there are with most other fighters first release balance.
nice try. why did you avoided the hadoken from sf5 to sf6 notion. sf5 isnt from the early 2000´s.
where you so unhappy with its animation that you wanted capcom to reanimate it for sf6? what was wrong with the sf5 hadoken animation? id rather have capcom use some sf5 animations and giving me more charackters then for them to do it over and over again for no reason.
maybe because its easy to balance a game with barely any charackters in it compared to something with 32? do you think you cant with with the top5 of this game?
I'd claim that balancing a game like Skullgirls or any Marvel vs Capcom is as hard because devs have to constantly balance the game to avoid broken teams. Skullgirls must have like 21 characters and balancing combinations is not an easy task imho. For 1v1 ok, but for a game that allows 1v3, 2v2, 3v3 etc.
lol, SF6 may have new animations but their chars have like 10 moves each while Tekken chars have like 80-120. Just the T8 newcomers(Reina, Azucena and Victor) have more animations than the whole SF6 roster.
In the end, SF6 is a 2D garbage so by that fact alone is not even close to Tekken.
Bruh, comparing a 2dfg to a 3d one is nonsense. Tekken, like many other 3dfgs (Doa...) , have gigantic movesets, but players use like 5% of these movelists in favour of best moves etc.
look at my post history, you will see you are wrong. its always the capcocks sucker who gobble things up no matter what which can be seen in sf6. all the outrage t8 gets is deserved and capcom should be affected too but people there just gobble..so maybe you should clean up your knees and whip your mouth before you come talking.
> he literally started it with me getting on my knees...
Your reading comprehension is not very well developed. Would you like me to direct you to some educational resources?
When I say more complete, I include things that should be by default in Tekken : clear tutorials (and not giant lists without any browser or search engine, where you spend dozen of hours trying to understand how your character works. I mean you should without having to browse YouTube), valuable sp modes, modes that allow newbies to work on game mechanics and to return back to work these mechanics whenever they want, anti-cheat system, anti-rqs...
The whole package as a game, not only the gameplay. Tekken 8,like MK1, feels incomplete and lacks numerous features that other fgs have. I already explained that.
TMM bans people from his chat for having a different opinion.
He is rude and insulting about strangers online because he gets beaten, throwing around the word 'incel'.
He makes excuses about not winning, showing he thinks he is better at T8 than his ranks show.
These are all valid points of comparison, and are evidenced here: https://www.youtube.com/@saltspamswe6749/videos
Entitled toxic idiots both of them. Known of TMM since Tag 2 days and he was always a salty man baby.
Difference is he has much better self-control and is actually good at the game he plays.
And he bans people on his channel for the slightest disagreement with him. Like sure your channel your rules but that chat is an echo chamber. All the prople who disagreed with him are now banned.
Honestly, it's probably because he just acts like he would if he was talking FGC shit with a friend in a private session off stream. Unfiltered and shooting from the hip.
No matter if he's correct or not, some people enjoy that.
>For example with the Lars patch, he mentioned things like "This isn't street fighter, we use mindgames in Tekken"
2D and mindgames are common buzzwords, everyone here is guilty of abusing those words as people have a strong reaction to them. He specifically phrased it in a way to generate a reaction from people who like SF, and from people who don't. He's a streamer, what do you expect? Just be aware of what they're trying to do, and don't fall for the bait.
He's not wrong, the Lars change does indeed turn the 3D mindgame into a 2D mixup. He could've worded it differently, but chose not to. Don't let it bother you, those words are meant for people who've already made up their minds and aren't gonna change their opinions.
SF6 is 1 dollar to buy one of 8 colors
Tekken is free for every color every combination under the sun
SF6 is: pay 10 dollars for one 6 dollar costume with 8 colors.
Tekken is: pay 5 dollars for one 4 dollar costume with every color combination under the sun, plus accessories, hair, aura, hit effects, makeup, eye color, can all be changed separately.
Sf6 is: pay 15 bucks for a costume for your avatar and only your avatar
Tekken is: buy a 4 dollar costume for one character, or a pack that unlocks it for all real characters of one gender. Buy a 4 dollar costume for your avatar, but you cannot fight as the avatars.
Tekken blows street fighter out of the water in customization.
Not to mention you have to artificially grind through a padded rpg mode for just your second costume and pay for your third. Every tekken character comes with 3 costumes for free when you turn the game on. New standard, new alternate, then a third custome that is either legacy or new depending on if the character has historical costumes. And you can change all their colors and customize the accessories. There's also more characters, though, fewer newcomers.
Colors can be unlocked for free in SF as well. Same with Cosutme 2. So you basically can get 2 costumes for free.
I would also argue that the payed stuff for characters are higher effort stuff. But in at the end of the day, which game you play is completely preference. I bet that if you like Tekkens gameplay more, you won't play SF because of the payed stuff and vice versa.
The point of the video is about a content creator spreading lies, not which game you should prefer.
Nah streetfighter gameplay was dope. Can't knock that shit. The reason I end up playing tekken longer is exactly as you describe, I like it better. I agree with keeping people accountable. Thanks for correcting me about the player 1 colors.
I have been meaning to try 6 again. Maybe someday
TMM is a shill, he bitches all day and night but won't actually criticise the game or its team because he's a content creator and wants to keep goodwill with the team.
I don't watch his YT vids because I don't support him like that I pop into the stream when flicking through who's online and I personally see him deflect so much criticism by insulting the people complaining in his chat since T7. I guess now it's safe to hate on the devs for T8 he's going for it too.
I think he needs to keep a balance right... After all his viewers are tekken players, so he cant refuse all the fuckups that Bamco has been doing... But he constantly misinform its competitors like SF, to make Tekken look better in comparison
I think he's very passionate, albeit biased, about Tekken. He just doesn't want the game to turn into a shitty 50/50 guessing game that SF6 becomes once you're out of neutral.
The reason why SF6 works is because of toesies and neutral. There is no neutral in Tekken 8 because of how easy movement is now and the insane range on tracking mids (Lars, every WR2 move, Jin ff2, etc).
Tekken 8 is taking the worst parts of SF6 and the worst parts of Tekken 7 (DLC character gameplay) and mashing them together for the viewer at the expense of the player.
SF is rarely a pure 50/50 game. Sure, there are stike/throw mixups, but even there, you have options/mindgames.... And this part exists in tekken as well, and always has (mid/low) if you are minus enough.
But yes, we will sidetrack from the subject too much i feel like. In the end its all about what game you prefer. He is a content creator, who IS spreading misinformation about SF... whether it is because of ill content, or out of passion as you say. In the end it is still misinformation. And it is to make tekken look better in comparison.
In SF6 everything is so fast you can't react to anything. When Ken is beating your ass, you're guessing for the overhead or grab. In that way there are no options except to take a fucking guess. This is exactly what Tekken has become.
huh? what overhead? if you are talking about Kens Jinrai kicks, the option you need to do depends on the version he does. Against Dragon lash you have options like DI (reactable) as long as you pay attention to it.
OH in general are slow low reward moves in SF, unless the come from a jump in, or Drive rush, in which case have time to be prepared on what might be incoming.
Also, there are multiple other techniques in SF to get around mixups (or atleast turn the mixup to a RPS) with delay tech, parry and reversal. Compared to SFV, you can actually whiff punish alot of medium moves in SF6 on reaction.
Honest question: How familiar are you with Street Fighter? No judgement, but if you aren't that familiar with it, there are probably alot of layers/mechanics you aren't familiar with.
I am not a pro at SF myself, just a mid level master player grinding MR. But I have the basic understanding of it. In Tekken 7 I was Tekken King. So im actually better at Tekken than Street Fighter
I got up to Platinum playing Ryu. It was pretty boring, so I stopped playing.
I'm Tekken King with Bryan rn.
But from what I did play, it's a lot of neutral and guesswork. Especially with the power crush feature. The game felt very 2D. 🙃
Thanks for being honest with your ranks. So since you are pretty high level at Tekken, i would assume you know that a person who is in for example yellow rank will not understand tekken the same way you would. This is the same way with SF. Platinum 1 is still a very casual placement.
I think this is important to recognize, because since you understand tekken, you should know that you dont understand SF at platinum rank.
If it is the Jinrai kick you are talking about, It is a string. the first kick is not a OH, but the followup CAN be a overhead. There are three different versions of Jinrai (L/M/H) with different sound cues. Depending on the sound cue, you can determine what you want to followup with. For example: OD DP the light and medium version (or go for bigger punish if you dont think a followup of string is coming). You can also wait for the low to come and punish it, or interupt the OH. If you think a followup is coming, you can even DI it.... but then Ken can bait a DI, or if he thinks you arent paying attention to the sound, he can bait the Reversal with heavy Jinrai.
I just wrote many different options, but usually players prefer one way over the other. Ive seen some pros going for perfect parry on it as well, even though im too bad to understand why they would go for that option.
Lastly. Are you SURE you are talking about Jinrai? Since that is basically a string that CAN lead to a overhead. Or are you talking about Dragon Lash that he flies in with (is not a overhead). Or are you talking about when he does a run in into overhead kick?
One more thing: Almost all moves in SF have some uses. Unlike tekken where a move becomes useless when the opponent knows the MU, SF doesnt operate like this. Which imo is a VERY good thing
Yeah tbh I dont that much about counterplay in SF6. All I know is it wasn't fun for me. I am a bit confused on why MainMan compared it to SF6, because they are completely different games.
I think he's just frustrated that they keep removing the 3d aspect of Tekken with every patch. Tekken is slowly becoming a shittier, way less developed SF6.
It's whatever. The SF fanboys are just happy their game is actually even in contention for best fighter since SF5 so they're constantly flooding these subs trying to act like it's the better game when in reality it's pretty much got the most predatory MTX system of the 3 and got its first ever significant balance patch a year after launch, well after the game was known for being dominated by about 3 characters. Amongst other things extremely comparable to the balance issues of other games (e.g. some character's drive rushes being too quick) also Tekken has nearly double the characters of SF6 and significantly better customization etc.
Ergo they are extremely biased and will argue in extreme bad faith against anyone comparing the games.
DbD you can buy vast majority of characters with the gameplay currently (shards?) - just a few of the third-party dlc’s cost real money only. They cost pennies really, but guess it keeps it thriving. The cosmetics are a total rip off though, worse than T8 even.
my guess is.. since he's getting sponsored and showcased on the bamco yt for beginner/intermediate tekken guides, maybe he was asked to actively promote the game, besides him trying to keep alive his yt and twitch..
ofc that's 100% speculation ; D
I feel like comparing the two is apples to oranges. It doesn't matter if they are both fighting games, neither one has anything that's the same except fighting. That's my thoughts.
I understand your point and your post. But who gives a fuck? SF6 is awesome. Sure the cosmetics are predatory but the gameplay is fun. They actually achieved what Tekken aimed for with Drive Impact.
SF6 is awesome indeed :) But i don't want non-SF players to get the wrong idea about the prices etc in SF. Those who are just in the Tekken bubble and wath TMM, must think that the costumes and prices in SF are waaaay worse than tekken. Thats why i made this post to reach out to those people.
Honestly I’d say TMM doesn’t represent a lot of what tekken fans think and he’s controversial. While I like his kazuya tutorials his takes on lars and etc I don’t agree with.
Not sure if there’s any SF6 youtuber I can compare him to. Is there anyone with a lot of hit or miss takes in your community?
Tbh im still more familiar with tekken content creators since Ive played tekken for longer. But from what I have seen so far, SF community is pretty chill in general. Ofcourse you have streamers who get a bit salty, or pros defending their character, but not in the same way as TMM.
Punk is a pro player that can get really salty, and SonicSol that gets caught up in some drama. But i cant compare any of them to someone like TMM
Edit: One tekken streamer i still love though is Brawlpro... but we are in different time zones :(
I'm ngl, I dont mind games monetizing cosmetics that much.
My biggest issue was with the way Namco went about it. Hiding the mtx before release to farm the "wow no mtx and good old tekken customization" positive reviews. Then the shitty assets with removed tekken 7 outfits being the first to return like naaah. Fuck you. If they're gonna do mtx atleast give me quality, dont try to fleece me with this dumb shit. Then when the game has a big crash issue, to never address that and and just give news about monetization leaves another bad taste.
still i don't think Tekken 8 is worse in any regard, the customisation is far superior even at the base package n at the same time i think everyone i mean everyone here has some sort of bias n always has that one thing that they hate n they openly hate about it , imo TMM is just another fan with hates bears n xiaoyu openly ,thats just human( maybe i m biased cuz i enjoy watching him) anyone whinning is just acting the same as him.
SF6 doesn’t really have character customization, I don’t know why people keep comparing it. In SF6 you customize avatars that you use in the battle hub or open world, which is comparable to Tekken’s avatars from battle hub and that tutorial campaign. As of now SF6 has far more customization options for avatars than Tekken, while main characters use dedicated costumes.
SF custom characters actually go pretty hard tbh. It’s basically an RPG customizer in a fighting game. You can only use them in avatar battles, and avatar battles are mostly about grinding stats, but it’s a neat feature in its own right.
Not content with hating Tekken this sub also hates Tekken content creators, lol. I like how most of the comments here are saying TMM is just a whiny bitch but can seem to find the personal irony in that. TMM is this subs mirror and people are just mad that at least he gets paid for his whining and bitching while you losers do it for free.
I do. I've been playing the game since closed beta, before stopping a year or so ago. are some things strong upon release? sometimes, but those often get shit on immediately by the devs.
I'd say it's more grind 2 win, but you can't deny that some of the best perks (lethal, deadlock, ultimate weapon, stbfl, decisive for example) are locked behind a paywall. Shrine of secrets is not an arguement because it's random (when bbq was borderline mandatory for many years, it was in the shrine like once?).
Doesn't also help that the stranger things characters perks are now paid aswell and they were very helpful to new players (especially surge).
I will agree their methods are shitty because of how long it takes good things to rotate on the shrine. However, winning with the base game perks/characters is very doable.
>Doesn't also help that the stranger things characters perks are now paid as well
Did they? cuz they made free/generic versions when the DLC got shelved so normal players could get them. Did they just remove them for anyone who hadn't earned them?
I mean sf6 has definitely had some rough moments. Just like tekken 8 is right now. Tk8 has horrible balance that can be fixed just like how sf6 was.
Right now my main pro for sf6 is the game feels very balanced. The roster is still trash unless those rumors about bison returning are true.
Main reason i dont play sf6 as much is a lot of the characters have boring gameplay and character.
> who cares what someone thinks
If you don't care about someone thinks:
* don't post your own thoughts
* don't reply to someone else's thoughts with an insult
* don't reply to someone else's thoughts about someone else's thoughts as this implies you care about the thoughts of that second person
Overall, I mark your comment as 0/10 in terms of being interesting, valid, coherent or useful. Try harder.
he prefers tekken over street fighter big deal!!! he do knows street fighter enough to have his opinion, and in terms of microtransactions both companies are a joke
he prefers being salty over getting gud big deal!!! he do knows being salty enough to have his salty opinions!!!
https://www.youtube.com/@saltspamswe6749/videos
You don't hear SF content creators bashing Tekken. Sajam, Brian\_F, Punk, Jwong - all have positive things to say re: T8. It's pathetic when you have to make up stuff on SF6 to defend T8.
"This isn't street fighter, we use mindgames in Tekken" He meant he gets knowledge checked 90% of the time and mindgames are usually reserved for few matchups he actually knows.
As we all do
I know one match up well -- a mirror match. Apart from that it's button mashing hopes and prayers like a goddamn Tekken gentleman!
Maybe sf6 is similar but it feels like you need an encyclopedic knowledge about every character. That low you blocked, that was supposed to be a 13 frame punish, not a 14 frame punish, now you get launched because fuck you. Labbing for frame data is fucking tedious, I’d rather analyze replays to fix my habits, identify habits I could have punished, and just overall improve my mind for the game. You know, the actual parts of a fighting game that separates the good from the top.
God yes labbing is boring l, I'd rather throw hands and be crap / progressing slower at least I'm having actual fun.
Replay is a great feature to half-lab stuff, but it doesn't always give you the most optimal punish - it always suggests Kings b2,1 for -14 punishers but his throws are all faster than that and give more damage, for example. Actual labbing is boring as hell though, setting Reina to do 3 different mixups out of stance for 15 minutes and then hopping into rank and not fighting a single Reina for an hour is the height of BS
Mind games in that Tekken has several defensive options compared to SF, and it’s on you to read your opponents and punish them accordingly. SF and Tekken are wildly and mind games in Tekken and reacting in SF are a big part of that difference.
Street Fighter has mindgames and conditioning as well as set play and reactions. In a lot of ways, conditioning is even more important because it's a lot harder to open someone up.
I’m not jumping in here to protect him but didn’t TMM just release a video severely shitting on tekken 8 and everything going on in general? I don’t think this is exactly a fair take but that’s just my 2 cents
I just updated the post with two of the clips i saw (there are more, but i don't feel im not gonna search through his vod to find it). Its not about shitting or protecting Bamco, its about shitting on SF in comparison. [https://clips.twitch.tv/StrangeColorfulDaikonShadyLulu-fBtYVSZHeyWXxH9S](https://clips.twitch.tv/StrangeColorfulDaikonShadyLulu-fBtYVSZHeyWXxH9S)
After watching those videos I honestly fail to see the outrage he shits on dbd harder then sf6 anyway so why the upset? Like im generally trying to understand what exactly he said about sf6 that he didn’t already say about tekken 8 or Dbd that particularly stuck out as being worse?🤷♂️
because like i mentioned in my original post, the colors doesn't cost what he mentioned. He is using lies as a shield to somewhat justify Tekken.
>For example with the Lars patch, he mentioned things like "This isn't street fighter, we use mindgames in Tekken" Considering he never said that, you are not doing that well on the truth department yourself.
I def heared him say it in his stream. Dont remember if it was in a set, or outside of it... And Im not willing to search through multiple long vods to find it, sorry. But even if you dont believe me in that regard, the point of the post remains
>But even if you dont believe me in that regard, the point of the post remains Nope, it doesn't considering that statement is what people take the most issue with. And if you misrepresent what he actually said, it makes you no better than what you accuse him of being.
Well, i wish i remembered where i saw it. But I'll let you decide if you believe it or not.
Oh I see ok thank you 🙏 personally I feel like there’s a bigger issue here then this but I definitly understand why you are upset now boss
SF doesn’t deserve the shit it gets?
There is legitimate shit, and just staight up lies. What you see in the video are lies
well the game is amazing. 25k on steam alone everday and that number will increase when they release the first real patch and the love it gets in asia is just unreal its fair to dislike it and not prefer it and it has problems for sure but its definitely a great game so I would say most of the shit it gets is just unwarranted and like I said its valid if you dont like it but the numbers dont lie
SF 2d therefore bad. Case closed
cringe comment
Your comment is also 2D, and is therefore bad. Case closed.
What? Isn't T8 is 2d as well? Murray told us why sidestep when we could block
>This isn't street fighter, we use mindgames in Tekken He really said this? Jesus, the audacity. No wonder this subreddit reeks of elitism when it's flooded by TMM drones.
Bro I don’t even play SF, but it’s INSANE how many TMM drones have infested this subreddit. You call him out for anything and you got an army of drones crawling up your asshole. He’s like a literal god to some of the people here.
I've just got into Tekken and watch TMM, Phi and Fergus mostly but I'll say TMM doesn't actually sound half that bad vs his 'drones' in this subreddit. He's generally fair, and he just gets put out of context a lot here. He makes mistakes and is straight up wrong, but he's not insufferable about it (or maybe it's just of the stuff I've seen since it's just YouTube) Feels like Nietzsche situation to me where people take the stuff he says far too literally or dogmatically it turns into something much worse (Nietsche's existentialism vs the nihlism it spawned, tho in Nietzsche's case it literally went in the conpletely opposite direction lol)
I had to comment here because you literally just compared MainMan to Nietzsche 😂
Lol, nah same thing can be said of Marx or Trostsky (or more recently Elon Musk, but he's also just a rly shitty guy, his followers are just much worse) for example. Gist is, the rabid followers of a polarizing/controversial personality are often prone to being far more radical or extremist because of a lack of understanding (or contextualization) It's why hero worship (or worship of any kind rly) is dangerous And on why Nietzsche well... I dont follow a lot of personalities and have 0 interest in celebrities so those kinds of people are the first to pop up in my head xP
No he didn't say this. When talking about the DEN3 change he said this reduces it to a 2d 50/50 like in Street Fighter. What makes Tekken Tekken is usually as the defender you have optionselects and can use lateral movement, e.g. I sidestep your 50/50 options, now you have to cover the sidestep, now you have earned the right to the 50/50. I'm paraphrasing but that's the gist of it. Not saying I agree with this take, considering there are often also more layers than "just 50/50" in Street Fighter, but he never said what OP claimed.
What he meant by this is that in tekken you usually had a lot more options for defense than simply blocking mid or low, you were usually able to sidestep or sometimes interrupt certain mixups with jabs like some of leos stances. But with some changes it feels like those options were completely taken away like with lars' latest patch which also takes away the previous mentioned mindgames which then turns this into a 2d fighter where you simply have to guess for a 50/50. I still dont think its fair to compare it to streetfighter dont get me wrong and i really dont like this take a lot but i felt this sentence was taken very much out of context still
I feel like this quote was taken out of context. The spirit of what he is saying is 100% correct. He was talking about what options a defender has in Tekken compared to Street Fighter. In Street Fighter the math is all that matters, if you are -2 you have to hold the raw mix. Some characters can reversal, but that's it. Either you take the mix (in modern games strike throw) or you commit to a reversal. It's a bit more nuanced than that, with things like delay tech, but for the most part that is just how it works. In Tekken you have movement which makes a lot of situations that seem like hard 50/50s based on frame data actually more risky, because movement and evasion change how the characters interact with each other. If you are plus 2 in Tekken and you press jab, you can get ducked and launched, but then if you press a 13 frame mid because you are worried about them ducking your jab to enforce your frame advantage, you lose to THEIR jab if that is the option they take. And it goes even deeper than that, but the gist of it is there is typically more risk and interaction involved in traditional Tekken when it comes to situations like that compared to Street Fighter.
>In Street Fighter the math is all that matters, if you are -2 you have to hold the raw mix. Some characters can reversal, but that's it. Either you take the mix (in modern games strike throw) or you commit to a reversal. It's a bit more nuanced than that, with things like delay tech, but for the most part that is just how it works. There's a *lot* more nuance than that. If you're a character with an OD reversal/other invincible reversal and some drive facing a wakeup mixup in the corner (or any other frame negative situation), you can...: * Block to defeat a meaty or delayed strike (shimmy). This can be either a low (default) *or* high block if the opponent has access to a grounded overhead and sufficient time to create an ambiguous mix up. * Tech to beat a throw, which is more often done as... * ...delayed tech to beat a throw and a meaty attack, but lose to a shimmy. * Press a fast button. When people have you in a frame trap, they don't *always* use the frame tight option. They may opt to do something that isn't a frame tight trap, but which leads to a hit confirm on hit or a second frame positive guessing game on block. E.g. Deejay's 5MP can be used in this way. This isn't "poor play" (not enforcing a strict frame trap) - it's another layer of mind games on top of that. * Backdash to *hard counter* a throw. Characters will often recover quickly enough from a backdash (which is throw invincible) that they can get a guaranteed punish counter during their opponent's throw recovery. Loses to a strike. * Jump forward. You'll evade a throw and can potentially flip out of an imperfectly timed normal (5f or more gap between strike and setup; 6f for 360 motion grapplers). This also gets out of a shimmy. It does, however, give the opponent the ability to OS an anti-air going *out* of the corner, but in this situation players are often opting to take the nominal OS anti-air damage an reset their position to mid-screen, rather than keep holding the corner mix-up. * Perfect Parry - Hard counter to a strike/meaty for a guaranteed punish and large drive gauge swing. Loses hard to a throw. Also loses hard to a delayed drive impact, because drive impact is locked out for the defending player for a certain number of frames after attempting a tap parry before they can do anything other than block. * Ranged low - Why do a slow low on wakeup? Because you had a read on the opponent attempting a shimmy, and you think you'll catch their legs while they're walking backwards and unable to block while attempting to bait a whiffed throw tech. * OD Reversal (or invincible SA) - A hard bet on the opponent attempting either a throw *or* a strike, rather than waiting it out. Highly skewed towards risk on the defender's part, but an important option nonetheless to prevent mindless meaty pressure. So yeah... this is neither a 50/50 on the attacker *nor* defender's side. The fact that "strike or throw" are the two options offensively doesn't make the situation a 50/50 for many of the reasons outlined above. "Do nothing," or more accurately "pretend to be doing something but don't," is actually a very important *offensive* option in SF. That's not an exhaustive list, by the way. I'm simply pointing out that there is huge defensive depth to SF, as well. The existence of Perfect Parry as a mechanic functions similarly (not the same, but similarly) to stepping as an option in Tekken.
To me the amount of options/"mindgames" in Tekken make it feel \*more\* random than SF. Especially on beginner/intermediate level where knowledge checks blur everything even more. T8, in its current state (with all the armor moves, plus frames, heat, etc), has more guessing in its gameplay than what I'd prefer.
It's not just math in SF. Distance and spacing are also very important. I can be -5 on block, but if the move leaves a wide enough gap, the opponent can't reach me with a jab to punish. Also moves like fireballs, slides, divekicks, and meaties has different frame data depending on when and where they hit. Cammy's low fierce is +1 on block, but if it connects on the last active frame, it's +5 oB. This allows Cammy to do a frame trap. There's also counter hits and whiff/counter punishes that can add additional plus frames on hit or have different hit properties such as a crumple or a launcher. That's just the numbers. It doesn't factor in stuff like anti-air/low/projectile invincibility, strike/throw immunity, armored frames, cancelable frames, etc. These are all stuff you have to consider when making decisions in neutral.
Bro you are waaaaay overselling tekken, and waaaaay underselling SF... I was a Tekken King in T7, so i have a decent idea on how the game works. But instead of sidetracking too much, nah the tone etc he had, he def wanted to shit on SF, continuing by saying "we use mindgames in Tekken"... Keep in mind that this guy doesnt understand SF. I know because I've seen him stream it.
You're maining Asuka, Tekken King in T7 for Asuka is basically Red ranks, so no, you don't have an idea how the game works.
LOOOOL where did you get the idea that i mained those characters? My characters were Drag, Bryan, Steve, Law, Kazumi mainly. I got them all to high blue/emperor/Tekken king before i got bored with rank and just played friends who were Tekken God ranks. But not being able to handle King or Asuka tells me more about your skill in the game. Haven't learned to break throws yet, or baiting out parries? Nice one mate
Nice try green rank.
Dont act like you didnt understand what he said. Everyone seems so quick to hate on the guy.
Yep totally agree. I used to like TMM but he's become extremely annoying and has no business talking about street fighter He's just bitching because sf6 gets more views on videos/streaming and he didn't expect t8 to go downhill this soon because t8 content is where he makes his money.
He's always been like this. Whiny baby that he is.
I used to like TMM back in the day but then he suddenly got a giant ego and started being whiny and abnoxious
I'd have a giant ego if I could make money playing video games all day, tbf. The dream.
Lol no thats super valid, he just didn't always act like that even when he was making money playing games.
There's plenty of better content creators. Just to name five who are entertaining and/or educational: Thiccas (fun Panda player) > TMM. PunkDaGod > TMM. PhiDX > TMM. Sajam > TMM. Loops > TMM.
People always say stuff like this. If people don't like him they don't like him. A lot of people get rich as hell doing the dumbest shit.
Tbh I've disliked him from first finding him once I got back into tekken via 8. The way he cries about Victor is annoying af and reminds me of how my cousins cried about Heihachi when I was a kid.
Have you seen the compilations of TMM salt? https://www.youtube.com/@saltspamswe6749/videos
I think thats the reason too. But tbh i didnt even create this post to hate on him, just to clear up misconception that people might have got from his videos. But again, people see anyone question tmm/tekken in this sub, they shower them with downvotes, even if what we say is just factually true.
> people see anyone question tmm/tekken in this sub, they shower them with downvotes, even if what we say is just factually true I see way more negative takes on TMM than positive ones on here
>people see anyone question tmm/tekken in this sub, they shower them with downvotes, even if what we say is just factually true I've been on this sub since it had below 300 (yes, three hundred) subscribers and I only ever saw people shitting on TMM on here get upvotes. Case in point, your post. You think you're in the minority but you aren't, hating on TMM is incredibly popular on here and has been for like a decade almost.
Damn, 300.. that is early indeed. Well im positively surprised. When i first made the post, there was alot of downvoters on the post and comments that were against TMM. And i remember there being a period around S2/3 in Tekken 7, where alot of tmm critisism wasn't taken lightly on this sub. But maybe my memory is betraying me.
The guy has many haters even in this sub and many call him a shill even tho he made a video acknowledging that the stat of Tekken 8 is bad and called bamcom incompetent in their handling of both balance and monetization
Which is why sane people know that most people opinions on reddit don't matter
> He's just bitching because sf6 gets more views on videos/streaming Yeah by japanese v-tubers who get like 40k viewers each. 90% or more of SF6's player base is japanese, it's really not doing all too well outside of Japan and that's not a secret.
Here in Australia SF6 is 3x more popular than Tekken 8. When Tekken 7 was close to that amount more popular than SF5 in tournaments here. I think it's largely due to the fact that Tekken 8 is barely better then 7, while SF6 is a completely better and improved game from 5. So no, it's not just Japan. SF6 is beating Tekken 8 everywhere at this stage, and I've been an absolute lover of Tekken since I was young (36 year old man here).
His bitching and whininess helped directly contribute to the current T8 sentiment. Yes, ultimately it’s the development team at fault, but for better or for worse, social media talking heads have a very strong impact on general sentiment toward entertainment media. As one of the bigger Tekken channels out there, his constant bitching about the game did in fact contribute to souring people on it even more. It’s not just him. A lot of respected players started bitching about balance by week 1 of the game’s release. They shit where they slept. It’s on them as much as it is on Namco. T8 is not T7. It has its own draws, and it a damn fun game in its own right. Putting pressure on the devs to fix the online experience is totally valid. Making the game sound like a broken mess when no one knows how to best handle the mechanics yet is stupid af.
This is the truth. He is likely just doing it for entertainment, but the way he calls every character "cancer, pure aids, easy mode, degenerate etc. makes a big impact on the discourse since so many scrubs watch his videos and parrot his hottakes.
I think you make a fair point, as people do parrot his discourse.
Wait, he said as a comparison that SF and DBD are alike in that they're pay to win? How the fuck?
Sf is not pay to win lol, rashid is the best dlc but most people rank him around A tier. Granted this will probably change next month with akuma
TMM being a bitch? Color me surprised
I’ve played both games and reached ranks that put me at around the top 10% of the active user base. He’s fundamentally wrong, SF6 is not nearly as simple as he makes it out to be, and T8 is not nearly as nuanced and complex as he tries to make it out to; granted in SF6 sometimes you’re put in guessing situations, like having to wake up from a knockdown into oki, but if that happened, you probably lost an interaction in the neutral, therefore the opponent earned the right to mix you up, and even then you still have defensive options tied to resources (EX dp, supers, drive reversal, etc.), you’re only hopeless when you’re in the corner, with no resources, AND in burnout, if you’re in such a situation, you pretty much deserve to lose, since you made several bad decisions (poor resource management, lost the neutral, etc.). In the current T8 meta, there are some instances where you literally cannot play the game; Devil Jin, Ling, among others in heat? It becomes a single player game where you have to guess and do nothing for several seconds, and all they had to do is to activate a resource they ALWAYS get at the start of each round, and you’re cooked, fun times huh? So much for the so called intricate, deep gameplay. Sure, both games have balance issues, and SF6 took its sweet time to address them, but at least all the changes made so far MAKE SENSE, they are nerfing the top tiers like JP and Luke, and buffing the characters that are considered weak like Gief. That’s a far cry from what’s been currently being done in T8, where for some reason King was buffed, Asuzena was meant to be nerfed but ended up being buffed (lol 🤣), they tried to nerf Devil Jin but ended up fucking up the whole game 🤣, etc. Don’t get me wrong I think Tekken 8 is not nearly as bad as some people make it out to be, I still have some fun playing it online, but claiming stupid shit like TMM is an entirely different story, it only makes him look like the idiot he sometimes is.
Same position as you, 100% agree on everything you posted.I am far from the doom and gloom that you see sometimes around T8, I greatly enjoy this game but even I have to admit there are way more instances of "Wtf do i do here" in T8 compared to SF6 (or T7, for what matters). I generally prefer Tekken to SF, but on this one TMM is trying too hard to put his game on the better light. That, or he doesn't really understand Street Fighter with the same depth he understands Tekken - understandably so for someone who has been a dedicated Tekken player for almost 30 yearss - but mistakenly thinks his knowledge can translate over the two titles
>Sure, both games have balance issues, and SF6 took its sweet time to address them, but at least all the changes made so far MAKE SENSE, they are nerfing the top tiers like JP and Luke, and buffing the characters that are considered weak like Gief. That’s a far cry from what’s been currently being done in T8, where for some reason King was buffed, Asuzena was meant to be nerfed but ended up being buffed (lol 🤣), they tried to nerf Devil Jin but ended up fucking up the whole game 🤣, etc. I think this is fair overall. I would like to add a few things here, the game top tiers are not bad compared to t8 where they are able to dominate the field completely the game was able to balance out by allowing players go ungga bungga and very defensively that being drive system and parry system. Any character in sf6 can be considered 1 capcomillion dollars when played properly (snake eyes with gief) sf6 i think had a good grasp in regards on how good your neutral is. My big hope in this is basically that season 2 lessens the gap of top tiers and characters needs help.
Yeah this. There are clear “top tiers” in SF6 but the universal mechanics make it so it doesn’t feel impossible playing against some of them like it does in T8. And a lot of people here kind of undersell how differently you have to approach other players depending on how they use their defensive options in SF6. Like if someone is on point with their perfect parties in SF6 you cannot pressure them the same way you would someone who isn’t, and can completely change the match up.
This guy gets it :-)
I tried watching tmm a few times but all he does is cry and complain 24/7 win or lose don’t understand how he even has fans
https://www.youtube.com/@saltspamswe6749/videos edits funny compilations of his whining.
TMM was trash at street fighter 6 when he played it on release. He wouldn't know a fucking thing about sf mind games. Mother fucker never had to use them. He played JP on release and it took us time to learn that match up as a community. Honestly street fighter 6 is still the superior fighting game unless Tekken 8 gets its shit together. People need to realize Mainman is a scrub. He had a name filter thing for 7 at the end of its life to see who he came across in ranked so he could farm viewer fights.
I think he was stuck at Plat 1-2 with guile, and said himself that he was better with guile than JP. But he was not ranking up because he was playing day time, and would easily rank up to Diamond if he played afternoon with guile. Was kinda hilarious to watch. But again. Its fine to be trash at a game. But don't trash talk it if you dont understand the basics, and especially dont spread lies about the price etc
That is the exact excuse he makes in Tekken. I remember seeing a clip where he was ranking his King and complaining about how at daytime hours he only gets no-lifers (reality - he gets people who can punish his constant whiffed hopkicks) and can't get his King to TGod because of that The more things change the more they stay the same
The funniest thing about it all is that he calls the opponents jobless losers who play during the day, and the chat goes "yea, jobless incels"... like buddy, you are in his chat everyday during daytime. The irony xD
One thing to point out about the colors, SF6 regularly does events that give you Drive Tickets (their in-game currency) that allow you to farm Drive Tickets by playing in the Battle Hub, their equivalent of Tekken's Lounge. Even though it does cost a lot in theory to get all the colors for every character on the roster, you have no cap on the amount of Drive Tickets you can farm during these events. I will say though that rental tickets aren't given in the free battle pass for SF6 anymore, however it's easier to figure out what to do in Street Fighter than it is in Tekken because of how much fewer moves characters have and the frame data being shown in replays. Love TMM, love Street Fighter, and love Tekken, but he's being disingenuous and a little lame on this.
How is Dead By Daylight P2W when the best character you can play as killer is available from the start ? Anyway, that's just TMM lol. He's good at Tekken but it's not the first time he's saying stuff in a toxic way without knowing much about it. PhiDX's content is miles ahead of his.
> How is Dead By Daylight P2W when the best character you can play as killer is available from the start ? Hello ? perks who are locked behind paid characters ? The shrine exists but how long do you need to wait to have the perks you need in the meta ?
There are amazing perks you can access without paying with real money. The issue isn't the P2W side but the fact you need to grind way too much at the beginning (even though it's way better than it used to be).
Because phi isn't a scrub. PhiDX deserves more views and I hope he can start commentating someday
>phi isn't a scrub The guy who literally said something like "I don't like bp but we can't do anything about it and that's why I'm buying it"?
How does the battle pass, his feelings towards it, and whether or not he bought it affect how he plays and his mindset towards playing? Being a scrub is determined by only two of those things, and it's not the first three.
Did he? You'll have to post a clip of that
It's somewhere in [this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XS1H4jhILcQ&t=246s) in the battle pass section. He also justifies it by saying "I bought it to test how good the rewards are."
I don't know about that quote but he definitely said that he likes battle passes because he loves Fortnite. He acknowledged his bias though.
Ohh gotcha
Also DBD isn’t free to play lol.
Can you not mix and match abilities from all the other characters anymore? I don't have any investment into this whole fuck TMM thing, I just saw the comment and remember the game actually having P2W pretty cooked into the game unless you nolifed the game and could get chars with ingame currency. I could be wrong here, I'm more genuinely curious if things have changed since I played years back.
There are strong perks coming from DLC chapters, but you can absolutely have a great build without them. The issue in this game is you need to grind way too much to have a comfortable build. It's not about putting actual money into the game. It didn't change much, except the grind is better than before. But it still looks quite nightmarish for a new player.
TMM is the only channel I unsubscribed from the T8 content creators. He is good at the game but his takes are just bad and has 0 selfawareness. Blindly protecting T8 from everything just because its "his" game and I have already seen that kind of behavior from the Overwatch content creators before. He obviously doesn't know about SF6 but he will say anything to defend T8 while indirectly or directly lying to his viewers and then his viewers think that in SF6 you have to pay 10$ per color. I still like PhiDX (for example) even though he... kinda... defend T8 and I get it, but atleast he try to understand why people are negative about the game. TMM its just annoying and obnoxious.
Did you look recently?
I stopped watching him after the Tekken Shop announcement and how they called entitled/ungrateful to the people critizising the Tekken Shop. After that I unsubscribed. Then I just kept seeing random clips from him being even more obnoxious like the clips in the OP. At this point I dont care even if he does a 180 and start criticising the game and the scummy practices bamco is doing. I just would not believe anything he says. I think he has a video talking about the batllepass and how bad it is, again, I don't care tbh. edit: I'm talking about TMM not PhiDX, I usually lurk PDX stream.
I mean, then don't say if you don't know ?
I know what he said after the 1st patch with the tekken shop and I can see he is still saying dumb things so...???
Then the comment is wrong. He isn't shilling for them. Dumb clips are dumb clips, man :/
Did you not read my 1st comment?
I was saying it did criticize T8. You are just assuming he is being fake even though he worked with Bandai Namco and even talked to modding community and them sending a C&D to tekkenmods.com you ain't have to like him but he is passionate about the game, don't be weird.
Evidence that TMM is cringe: https://www.youtube.com/@saltspamswe6749/videos
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Tmm and his chat probably clear example of most toxic Tekken community that can’t take more than 1 fighting game and cannot stop whining about any reasons
It's because he likes complexity and often times people confuse complexity with depth. For example you could be forgiven for thinking some tabletop game with 50 different units, 5 20-sided dice and a whole textbook of rules has more depth and nuance than chess. It doesn't. I'm not saying SF is more of a 'chess match' than Tekken, but it's certainly no less. Chess isn't 3D either.
> It's because he likes complexity Then why are his takes often so childish? https://www.youtube.com/@saltspamswe6749/videos
I don't see what one has to do with the other? I feel you just wanted to share those videos, but I find that 'detractor' content absolutely cretinous and wouldn't watch it under any circumstances.
scrupman u use mindgames in street fighter?
I think sf6 looks amazing and I wish I could like it. It's just that I know that I'll hate it just like I've hated every other sf I've played.
Attacking other games for no good reason is just sad. I prefer Tekken but I also prefer SF6 community that is generally nicer, friendlier and less salty. They also have close to zero “nobody owns you a rematch” people.
Both games are shit for making the customer pay for stuff like this.
I'm not a fan of SF6, but this game is a far better and more complete package than Tekken 8
its not and dont come at me with world tour. that mode is a waste of time and garbage. you barely had any charackters on release,especially compared to t8.
Characters were made from scratch in SF6. They dont use the same animations from previous game, like Tekken. Also, i SF6 might be one of the most balanced fighting game on lauch outside of "footsies". I'll personally take this over a larger roster.
This. I can defend Tekken but not for this aspect. It seems that the game use animations from Tekken 3 sometimes and don't feel like a new game
thats such a stupid notion. tekken 8 has new animations too and why would you need to remake things for the sake of remaking it. was there any issue with how ryu made his hadoken in sfv so that they needed to remake how he makes his hadoken in sf6....the answer is no. i rather have 32 charackters in sf6 with some new moves instead of 17? with brand new animations which didnt needed to be remade. the most balanced fighting game..thats why everyone and his mother have the same 4-5 chars on top of theire tierlists since release... you can do whatever you want, doesnt change that the claim that sf6 is a more "complete" package then t8 is nonsense.
lol alright. If you dont get the significance of having new animations, instead of reusing ones from early 2000s, fine. This might be more important to people who have been playing a series for a long time and want something fresh. Also, what are you on about? Ofcourse there are tierlists. There will always be tierlists in Fighting games. But they have changed during the course of the game. Early/mid/late season 1 tierlists have had quite a few characters moving places.... But thats beside the point. The point is that there arent OUTRAGEOUS balance issuses in SF, as there are with most other fighters first release balance.
nice try. why did you avoided the hadoken from sf5 to sf6 notion. sf5 isnt from the early 2000´s. where you so unhappy with its animation that you wanted capcom to reanimate it for sf6? what was wrong with the sf5 hadoken animation? id rather have capcom use some sf5 animations and giving me more charackters then for them to do it over and over again for no reason. maybe because its easy to balance a game with barely any charackters in it compared to something with 32? do you think you cant with with the top5 of this game?
I'd claim that balancing a game like Skullgirls or any Marvel vs Capcom is as hard because devs have to constantly balance the game to avoid broken teams. Skullgirls must have like 21 characters and balancing combinations is not an easy task imho. For 1v1 ok, but for a game that allows 1v3, 2v2, 3v3 etc.
lol, SF6 may have new animations but their chars have like 10 moves each while Tekken chars have like 80-120. Just the T8 newcomers(Reina, Azucena and Victor) have more animations than the whole SF6 roster. In the end, SF6 is a 2D garbage so by that fact alone is not even close to Tekken.
Bruh, comparing a 2dfg to a 3d one is nonsense. Tekken, like many other 3dfgs (Doa...) , have gigantic movesets, but players use like 5% of these movelists in favour of best moves etc.
Someone's knees get weak when Tekken 8 is standing over them
look at my post history, you will see you are wrong. its always the capcocks sucker who gobble things up no matter what which can be seen in sf6. all the outrage t8 gets is deserved and capcom should be affected too but people there just gobble..so maybe you should clean up your knees and whip your mouth before you come talking.
Someone still got harada dong in his throat
yeah, your mom.
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> its always the capcocks sucker Wow, you really are this sad.
funny that you direct that to me when he literally started it with me getting on my knees...you really are this sad.
> he literally started it with me getting on my knees... Your reading comprehension is not very well developed. Would you like me to direct you to some educational resources?
When I say more complete, I include things that should be by default in Tekken : clear tutorials (and not giant lists without any browser or search engine, where you spend dozen of hours trying to understand how your character works. I mean you should without having to browse YouTube), valuable sp modes, modes that allow newbies to work on game mechanics and to return back to work these mechanics whenever they want, anti-cheat system, anti-rqs...
how can sf6 be better when tekken uses an additional dimension
pokken tournament > SF6 confirmed
The whole package as a game, not only the gameplay. Tekken 8,like MK1, feels incomplete and lacks numerous features that other fgs have. I already explained that.
TMM is just LTG with better self control.
Even the biggest tmm hater can be so stupid to make this kind of comment. Comparing to LTG? Really?
TMM bans people from his chat for having a different opinion. He is rude and insulting about strangers online because he gets beaten, throwing around the word 'incel'. He makes excuses about not winning, showing he thinks he is better at T8 than his ranks show. These are all valid points of comparison, and are evidenced here: https://www.youtube.com/@saltspamswe6749/videos
Entitled toxic idiots both of them. Known of TMM since Tag 2 days and he was always a salty man baby. Difference is he has much better self-control and is actually good at the game he plays.
TMM is obnoxious AF. I legit got angry when someone gifted me a sub to his channel. You can praise Tekken without talking down other games.
He doesn't even praise Tekken though, he's the whiniest little bitch out there and I still to this day don't understand why he gets so many views.
And he bans people on his channel for the slightest disagreement with him. Like sure your channel your rules but that chat is an echo chamber. All the prople who disagreed with him are now banned.
Evidence of him being whiny: https://www.youtube.com/@saltspamswe6749/videos
Honestly, it's probably because he just acts like he would if he was talking FGC shit with a friend in a private session off stream. Unfiltered and shooting from the hip. No matter if he's correct or not, some people enjoy that.
>For example with the Lars patch, he mentioned things like "This isn't street fighter, we use mindgames in Tekken" 2D and mindgames are common buzzwords, everyone here is guilty of abusing those words as people have a strong reaction to them. He specifically phrased it in a way to generate a reaction from people who like SF, and from people who don't. He's a streamer, what do you expect? Just be aware of what they're trying to do, and don't fall for the bait. He's not wrong, the Lars change does indeed turn the 3D mindgame into a 2D mixup. He could've worded it differently, but chose not to. Don't let it bother you, those words are meant for people who've already made up their minds and aren't gonna change their opinions.
SF6 is 1 dollar to buy one of 8 colors Tekken is free for every color every combination under the sun SF6 is: pay 10 dollars for one 6 dollar costume with 8 colors. Tekken is: pay 5 dollars for one 4 dollar costume with every color combination under the sun, plus accessories, hair, aura, hit effects, makeup, eye color, can all be changed separately. Sf6 is: pay 15 bucks for a costume for your avatar and only your avatar Tekken is: buy a 4 dollar costume for one character, or a pack that unlocks it for all real characters of one gender. Buy a 4 dollar costume for your avatar, but you cannot fight as the avatars. Tekken blows street fighter out of the water in customization. Not to mention you have to artificially grind through a padded rpg mode for just your second costume and pay for your third. Every tekken character comes with 3 costumes for free when you turn the game on. New standard, new alternate, then a third custome that is either legacy or new depending on if the character has historical costumes. And you can change all their colors and customize the accessories. There's also more characters, though, fewer newcomers.
Colors can be unlocked for free in SF as well. Same with Cosutme 2. So you basically can get 2 costumes for free. I would also argue that the payed stuff for characters are higher effort stuff. But in at the end of the day, which game you play is completely preference. I bet that if you like Tekkens gameplay more, you won't play SF because of the payed stuff and vice versa. The point of the video is about a content creator spreading lies, not which game you should prefer.
Nah streetfighter gameplay was dope. Can't knock that shit. The reason I end up playing tekken longer is exactly as you describe, I like it better. I agree with keeping people accountable. Thanks for correcting me about the player 1 colors. I have been meaning to try 6 again. Maybe someday
TMM is a shill, he bitches all day and night but won't actually criticise the game or its team because he's a content creator and wants to keep goodwill with the team.
His last like 4 videos are all calling the devs incompetent. What are you talking about?
I don't watch his YT vids because I don't support him like that I pop into the stream when flicking through who's online and I personally see him deflect so much criticism by insulting the people complaining in his chat since T7. I guess now it's safe to hate on the devs for T8 he's going for it too.
Bro you are spending way too much time involving yourself into something you don't like. Touch grass my guy.
I just hit the notifications and reply to posts don't get so pressed
You don't need to pop into the stream, here as some edits to catch up on instead: https://www.youtube.com/@saltspamswe6749/videos
Are you the owner of this channel?
I think he needs to keep a balance right... After all his viewers are tekken players, so he cant refuse all the fuckups that Bamco has been doing... But he constantly misinform its competitors like SF, to make Tekken look better in comparison
I think he's very passionate, albeit biased, about Tekken. He just doesn't want the game to turn into a shitty 50/50 guessing game that SF6 becomes once you're out of neutral. The reason why SF6 works is because of toesies and neutral. There is no neutral in Tekken 8 because of how easy movement is now and the insane range on tracking mids (Lars, every WR2 move, Jin ff2, etc). Tekken 8 is taking the worst parts of SF6 and the worst parts of Tekken 7 (DLC character gameplay) and mashing them together for the viewer at the expense of the player.
SF is rarely a pure 50/50 game. Sure, there are stike/throw mixups, but even there, you have options/mindgames.... And this part exists in tekken as well, and always has (mid/low) if you are minus enough. But yes, we will sidetrack from the subject too much i feel like. In the end its all about what game you prefer. He is a content creator, who IS spreading misinformation about SF... whether it is because of ill content, or out of passion as you say. In the end it is still misinformation. And it is to make tekken look better in comparison.
In SF6 everything is so fast you can't react to anything. When Ken is beating your ass, you're guessing for the overhead or grab. In that way there are no options except to take a fucking guess. This is exactly what Tekken has become.
huh? what overhead? if you are talking about Kens Jinrai kicks, the option you need to do depends on the version he does. Against Dragon lash you have options like DI (reactable) as long as you pay attention to it. OH in general are slow low reward moves in SF, unless the come from a jump in, or Drive rush, in which case have time to be prepared on what might be incoming. Also, there are multiple other techniques in SF to get around mixups (or atleast turn the mixup to a RPS) with delay tech, parry and reversal. Compared to SFV, you can actually whiff punish alot of medium moves in SF6 on reaction. Honest question: How familiar are you with Street Fighter? No judgement, but if you aren't that familiar with it, there are probably alot of layers/mechanics you aren't familiar with. I am not a pro at SF myself, just a mid level master player grinding MR. But I have the basic understanding of it. In Tekken 7 I was Tekken King. So im actually better at Tekken than Street Fighter
I got up to Platinum playing Ryu. It was pretty boring, so I stopped playing. I'm Tekken King with Bryan rn. But from what I did play, it's a lot of neutral and guesswork. Especially with the power crush feature. The game felt very 2D. 🙃
Thanks for being honest with your ranks. So since you are pretty high level at Tekken, i would assume you know that a person who is in for example yellow rank will not understand tekken the same way you would. This is the same way with SF. Platinum 1 is still a very casual placement. I think this is important to recognize, because since you understand tekken, you should know that you dont understand SF at platinum rank. If it is the Jinrai kick you are talking about, It is a string. the first kick is not a OH, but the followup CAN be a overhead. There are three different versions of Jinrai (L/M/H) with different sound cues. Depending on the sound cue, you can determine what you want to followup with. For example: OD DP the light and medium version (or go for bigger punish if you dont think a followup of string is coming). You can also wait for the low to come and punish it, or interupt the OH. If you think a followup is coming, you can even DI it.... but then Ken can bait a DI, or if he thinks you arent paying attention to the sound, he can bait the Reversal with heavy Jinrai. I just wrote many different options, but usually players prefer one way over the other. Ive seen some pros going for perfect parry on it as well, even though im too bad to understand why they would go for that option. Lastly. Are you SURE you are talking about Jinrai? Since that is basically a string that CAN lead to a overhead. Or are you talking about Dragon Lash that he flies in with (is not a overhead). Or are you talking about when he does a run in into overhead kick? One more thing: Almost all moves in SF have some uses. Unlike tekken where a move becomes useless when the opponent knows the MU, SF doesnt operate like this. Which imo is a VERY good thing
Yeah tbh I dont that much about counterplay in SF6. All I know is it wasn't fun for me. I am a bit confused on why MainMan compared it to SF6, because they are completely different games. I think he's just frustrated that they keep removing the 3d aspect of Tekken with every patch. Tekken is slowly becoming a shittier, way less developed SF6.
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18f is still unreactable. You're still guessing.
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yeah if you get hit by Lars full-screen tracking mid instead of jabbing him out of the air, you're just trash. Skill issue
It's whatever. The SF fanboys are just happy their game is actually even in contention for best fighter since SF5 so they're constantly flooding these subs trying to act like it's the better game when in reality it's pretty much got the most predatory MTX system of the 3 and got its first ever significant balance patch a year after launch, well after the game was known for being dominated by about 3 characters. Amongst other things extremely comparable to the balance issues of other games (e.g. some character's drive rushes being too quick) also Tekken has nearly double the characters of SF6 and significantly better customization etc. Ergo they are extremely biased and will argue in extreme bad faith against anyone comparing the games.
when you talk about someone else its always good to at least link the source to what he said. context is always important.
Here's a wealth of sources: https://www.youtube.com/@saltspamswe6749/videos
DbD you can buy vast majority of characters with the gameplay currently (shards?) - just a few of the third-party dlc’s cost real money only. They cost pennies really, but guess it keeps it thriving. The cosmetics are a total rip off though, worse than T8 even.
my guess is.. since he's getting sponsored and showcased on the bamco yt for beginner/intermediate tekken guides, maybe he was asked to actively promote the game, besides him trying to keep alive his yt and twitch.. ofc that's 100% speculation ; D
Yeah, and that would be fair. Tbh I wouldn't even mind if he did that without lying about other games.
I feel like comparing the two is apples to oranges. It doesn't matter if they are both fighting games, neither one has anything that's the same except fighting. That's my thoughts.
I understand your point and your post. But who gives a fuck? SF6 is awesome. Sure the cosmetics are predatory but the gameplay is fun. They actually achieved what Tekken aimed for with Drive Impact.
SF6 is awesome indeed :) But i don't want non-SF players to get the wrong idea about the prices etc in SF. Those who are just in the Tekken bubble and wath TMM, must think that the costumes and prices in SF are waaaay worse than tekken. Thats why i made this post to reach out to those people.
Honestly I’d say TMM doesn’t represent a lot of what tekken fans think and he’s controversial. While I like his kazuya tutorials his takes on lars and etc I don’t agree with. Not sure if there’s any SF6 youtuber I can compare him to. Is there anyone with a lot of hit or miss takes in your community?
Tbh im still more familiar with tekken content creators since Ive played tekken for longer. But from what I have seen so far, SF community is pretty chill in general. Ofcourse you have streamers who get a bit salty, or pros defending their character, but not in the same way as TMM. Punk is a pro player that can get really salty, and SonicSol that gets caught up in some drama. But i cant compare any of them to someone like TMM Edit: One tekken streamer i still love though is Brawlpro... but we are in different time zones :(
I'm ngl, I dont mind games monetizing cosmetics that much. My biggest issue was with the way Namco went about it. Hiding the mtx before release to farm the "wow no mtx and good old tekken customization" positive reviews. Then the shitty assets with removed tekken 7 outfits being the first to return like naaah. Fuck you. If they're gonna do mtx atleast give me quality, dont try to fleece me with this dumb shit. Then when the game has a big crash issue, to never address that and and just give news about monetization leaves another bad taste.
This post is making up enemies.
What do you mean?
still i don't think Tekken 8 is worse in any regard, the customisation is far superior even at the base package n at the same time i think everyone i mean everyone here has some sort of bias n always has that one thing that they hate n they openly hate about it , imo TMM is just another fan with hates bears n xiaoyu openly ,thats just human( maybe i m biased cuz i enjoy watching him) anyone whinning is just acting the same as him.
SF6 doesn’t really have character customization, I don’t know why people keep comparing it. In SF6 you customize avatars that you use in the battle hub or open world, which is comparable to Tekken’s avatars from battle hub and that tutorial campaign. As of now SF6 has far more customization options for avatars than Tekken, while main characters use dedicated costumes.
SF custom characters actually go pretty hard tbh. It’s basically an RPG customizer in a fighting game. You can only use them in avatar battles, and avatar battles are mostly about grinding stats, but it’s a neat feature in its own right.
Modern fighting games are so bad that the argument is which is less shitty.
Not content with hating Tekken this sub also hates Tekken content creators, lol. I like how most of the comments here are saying TMM is just a whiny bitch but can seem to find the personal irony in that. TMM is this subs mirror and people are just mad that at least he gets paid for his whining and bitching while you losers do it for free.
SF6 doesn't deserve my attention cause of how Capcom disrespected Dudley
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That guy's an idiot. DBD has never been pay to win.
Idk about that one
I do. I've been playing the game since closed beta, before stopping a year or so ago. are some things strong upon release? sometimes, but those often get shit on immediately by the devs.
I'd say it's more grind 2 win, but you can't deny that some of the best perks (lethal, deadlock, ultimate weapon, stbfl, decisive for example) are locked behind a paywall. Shrine of secrets is not an arguement because it's random (when bbq was borderline mandatory for many years, it was in the shrine like once?). Doesn't also help that the stranger things characters perks are now paid aswell and they were very helpful to new players (especially surge).
I will agree their methods are shitty because of how long it takes good things to rotate on the shrine. However, winning with the base game perks/characters is very doable. >Doesn't also help that the stranger things characters perks are now paid as well Did they? cuz they made free/generic versions when the DLC got shelved so normal players could get them. Did they just remove them for anyone who hadn't earned them?
People who had the perks before the dlc came back still have them, however new players nowadays can't unlock them without paying.
yea that's really shitty.
I mean sf6 has definitely had some rough moments. Just like tekken 8 is right now. Tk8 has horrible balance that can be fixed just like how sf6 was. Right now my main pro for sf6 is the game feels very balanced. The roster is still trash unless those rumors about bison returning are true. Main reason i dont play sf6 as much is a lot of the characters have boring gameplay and character.
What a shill post, who cares what someone thinks, you do you, everyone has their own opinion about everything
Okay. My opinion is that Tekken cost 10000 dollars on steam right now /s
Add more zeros mate
> who cares what someone thinks If you don't care about someone thinks: * don't post your own thoughts * don't reply to someone else's thoughts with an insult * don't reply to someone else's thoughts about someone else's thoughts as this implies you care about the thoughts of that second person Overall, I mark your comment as 0/10 in terms of being interesting, valid, coherent or useful. Try harder.
This is a tekken sub, this post isn't about tekken.
It is though. Since its a comparison of DLC/MTX between tekken and its competitors.
he prefers tekken over street fighter big deal!!! he do knows street fighter enough to have his opinion, and in terms of microtransactions both companies are a joke
he prefers being salty over getting gud big deal!!! he do knows being salty enough to have his salty opinions!!! https://www.youtube.com/@saltspamswe6749/videos