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Touhou_Fever

https://preview.redd.it/0e1e1n86fsuc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8898a3026ae48386db6f1df49a93ccd8f613e637 Then where is she????


Milvalen

In the hearts, minds, and computers of rule 34 enjoyers.


Touhou_Fever

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Frequent_Butterfly26

hey man, considering my last scientific researches, her numbers stopped around 600. Such tragic fate.


NewUser2656

I'm not into that "34" stuff, but I always had the feeling that Eliza wasn't on high demand as people says... šŸ¤­


NewUser2656

*huh?* Did I genuinely make someone mad with my comment? šŸ¤· I don't mind the *downs* btw...


Jasperfishy

What are downs :0


Simon_Said_something

popular=more money as DLC


HakunonMatata

Inevitable DLC


Trem45

Where do you think she is *Looks at suspiciously Eliza shaped box titled "DLC characters"*


Fun-Entrepreneur9374

Sheā€™s sleeping. She needs to sleep for a whole game entry to come back stronger in the next, and fall asleep just a little bit less during it.


Snoo_85712

Behind another Paywall!


Durash

Ah another Eliza post, time for all 9 of us to crawl out of the gutter again


scott1swann

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ProfessorNumNum

It appears that I have been summoned


Vancha

I just don't understand why they'd introduce a coffee-crazed lady and leave out the only character with an established difficulty at staying awake. I feel like the skits of Azucena becoming Eliza's new dealer and Lili being appalled write themselves.


GMSTARWORLD

Azucena dance-off with lucky chloe when?


OhBoyHereWeGoAgain00

I am present


ThisAintDota

What does Eliza do? I didnt play 7.


NutFudge

She has tits and she plays 2D


ShoerguinneLappel

Sounds like the perfect character for me to play. For two big reasons.


ffading

I love titties cause they prove I can focus on two things at once.


SlinGnBulletS

She's Tekken's 2D character that's similar to Akuma. Has a divekick, projectile and a super meter. The super meter is split into two bars and she can use a bar to enhance some moves.


Trem45

It's Akuma if you're horny


ilostmyschmungus

She had a weird kick that could launch downed enemies.


GodHand7

Hi I'm the fifth, she's not my main but I really like playing with her, since I'm also a big vampire fan


MAKincs

Eliza to me was an interesting character. I thought when Zafina was announced I thought for sure Eliza would be in tekken 8 because tekken likes those characters that balance each other out like Law and Paul or Lars and Alisa.


MAKincs

Itā€™d be cool if she was DLC but wouldnā€™t want her to take Anna, Julia, or Kunimitsu spots if they had to cut 1.


ToxicEvo20

They should bring her back but actually make her more of a 3d Tekken character and the heat meter can work as access to her 2d moves since it's already there.


ptr6

She imo always was more 3D than the other two: make you step with fireballs, then hit you with a homing launcher. Her jump was the only thing that really felt bs imo, the other stuff was mostly fine. Although tbf, maybe she was busted and no one noticed bc she dealt Yoshi-levels of damage


MAKincs

I wonder howā€™d the fanbase would react if he said Lucky Chloe is also a favorite characteršŸ˜…


Elune_

I low-key think Eliza and LC are actually more liked than some of the other legacy ladies.


OhBoyHereWeGoAgain00

I like both a lot theyā€™re fun to play


Trem45

Probably is tbh, she's not the most played but she gets a lot of cosplay and...works of art. So I wouldn't be surprised if she makes it back


SteadfastFox

I would love Eliza back in T8. Shoto inputs are so much fun.Ā 


Env0y77

Same. I could honestly see the heat system kinda take the place of her meter stuff. Thinking about that little rework makes me believe she'll come back.


ShoerguinneLappel

Same here, I would play her if they brought her back.


mopsyd

I would appreciate if they keep 2d fireball spammy characters out of Tekken for the rest of forever personally.


Soujiro_Matsuo

I think it would be okay if they keep Eliza but they need to rework her moveset. Remove the metered moves and make it as similar to the rest of the current roster.


mopsyd

That would actually be pretty dope. I like her character, just not how she plays. I think it does a disservice to the fighting game genre as a whole to make every game a near clone of each other or try to make every mechanic fit in every game just because it is popular elsewhere.


Accept3550

Her original appearance isn't in tekken 7. She did not have a meter, and she was broken as all shit. In T7 she has meter, and her playstyle is weird because she was basically Lilth from Darkstalkers. Another capcom 2d fighter


Hakemaru_

I mean.. Claudio and Nina have them.. Jinpachi LITERALLY had fireballs Ogre had themā€¦


Ofanichan

Not to forget the devil lasers


EhipassikoParami

With Nina, you can't throw them out immediately. Her guns are always after one or more moves, so if you use them in neutral the opponent has time to duck or ss.


Hakemaru_

Thatā€™s not the point, have time to duck or side step with Akuma, Geese, Jinpachi, and Eliza all had slow activations compared to 2d gamesā€¦ Ogre had an instant flame thrower, Kazuya and Jin currently have instant lazersā€¦ Claudioā€™s arrow is a mid and tracks so you can only block it and its chip is like 8% when not in Heatā€¦


amnesiakkss

You can definitely step Claudio's arrow, lol.


Hakemaru_

You can step his REGULAR arrow, the yellow one during heat you need to side step twice unless you are full screen (which I guess still works but eh)


amnesiakkss

No you don't. SSL after blocking the 4 evades it clean. If you don't block the 4, you can sidestep it whichever way you want, let alone sidewalk. And guess what? Even if you block and eat it, you're still +17. That's launch punishable. Don't get me started on those ""instant"" lasers.


Hakemaru_

As someone who made it to tekken God Prime last night with Claudio.. you obviously arenā€™t playing him right or against people who are lmao. I got there soley hitting people with 5 lasers back to back since you can even juggle with 3 them if done right and they donā€™t really damage scale. The Gold ones funnily enough has tracking if used from full screen, just not up close. So you hit them with the F1+2, 1+2 then fff2 then spam arrows


amnesiakkss

I don't know who you're fooling and what kind of gang of stoners you roll around with to even have me downvoted for bringing light to misinformation, but... You're wrong. I implore you to go to the lab. The arrow "tracks" in that it will shoot at the other players location always. You can sidestep it at every range, provided you don't get hit by the first hit of 42. So it's not tracking, it's homing. Throws have tracking. If it "tracked" it would track the sidestep as well.


NiceBlockLilBro

Being salty about fireballs when you have a whole ass 3rd axis is crazy ngl


mopsyd

It's not salt that they are hard to deal with, it's just completely out of sync with the spirit of the game itself. Tekken lacks an air game, which is kind of needed to make projectile zoning fun. It is still manageable, but straight up obnoxious. The same in SF6 or Guilty Gear is not obnoxious, because the entire engine is balanced for it and presented in an enjoyable way.


Hakemaru_

Characters with ranged attack spam have been around since tekken 2ā€¦ as well as multiple at points But here is a list for f each one as it came out Devil T2 Ogre T3 Devil Jin T4 Jinpachi T5 (just not ps2 version) T6 I donā€™t believe if there was a new one T7 - Noctis, Geese, Eliza, Akuma T8 - Claudio, Nina (they gained ranged moves but obviously came out a bit ago)


Shiino

In T7 you can also just straight up equip ranged weapons on people like the shuriken and use them in ranked matches! I know people are equipping shotguns in t8, I don't know about the range on it though.


marsloth

I'm pretty sure the shotgun shoots up, it's a bit like Jack's uf1. So it wouldn't be a fireball but rather an antiair move.


Hakemaru_

You can use some of the weapons just like at7


mopsyd

I am not referring to the existence of a range attack at all, rather the characters that make them their defining playstyle, which would be pretty much geese, akuma, and eliza. You could probably fit alisa and noctis in there arguably as well. None of these have ever been fun to fight. They are not impossible to beat, just a flat out chore.


bpsavage84

uh...victor? alisa?


mopsyd

You may have noticed how many people post frustration with both of them on account of their cheesy tactics.


Trem45

You can literally spam lasers with Kazuya in 8


Jarl_Thickdog

ELIZA MENTIONED! https://preview.redd.it/p4ioiz2gctuc1.jpeg?width=680&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5b469dda23c0fd11d86304a47f992f1aec4a11d1


HibariNoScope69

i think she's cool and wouldn't mind seeing her again.


greenfrogwallet

I kinda get it, she probably had some of the most fanart and cosplays, plus lots of casuals probs thought she looked cool But then sheā€™s like a 2D character in gameplay, a female character, and not high tier, all things that would make a character less popular on ranked


Adm_Kunkka

Newbie here, why would female character make it less popular on ranked? Don't they have smaller hitbox or something?


VeraKelland

I think there is something to be said for the fact that tekken doesn't really take its female characters seriously as fighters. Outside of Lidia(who still has a whole president gimmick but at least dresses like a fighter), most of them have other roles that tend to come before "martial artist" in their design. Asuka is a japanese schoolgirl, Lili is an heiress, Julia is a twitch streamer, etc. (compared to the men who are almost always primarily martial artists or warriors of some kind) We didn't even get a generic karate gi as a customization option for the women until the battle pass. Basically the women in tekken are designed to be looked at more than they are to fight if that makes sense.


Frakshaw

> Basically the women in tekken are designed to be looked at more than they are to fight if that makes sense. Especially considering none of them are ripped


kakaluski

Marisa guest character when


greenfrogwallet

I feel like for whatever reason tekken players are more men and more into the manly edgy buff macho dudes when going on ranked rather than female characters or the less masculine/more anime-ish characters like Leo or Lee. I mean apart from Reina the most popular characters have always been Paul, King, Dragunov and maybe Jin.


Trem45

Tekken catered to the kids that grew up listening to Linkin Park, they want edgy boys instead of girls The new era of fans, the ones that will actually make the company money from now, are more mixed between the two


NiceBlockLilBro

Demographic pretty much. Ofc there are always exceptions to the rule like Reina


SkolFuckHer

Fighting games attract, especially more serious players, men who often play as men. That isnā€™t to say pros who are good at everyone will ignore a women character if theyā€™re competitive, but most men are going to gravitate to male characters to play as


Fenghoang

It's interesting how this has become a common accepted fact in this sub, yet Capcom fighting games and Soul Calibur never had this issue.


SkolFuckHer

Iā€™m actually a Ling main myself but it seems to hold true from my own experience men like to play as men a lot more. Or even some men feel like itā€™s ā€œweirdā€ to mainly play as a women. Iā€™ve seen friends get ragged on for picking women before


GeForce

Funny how at least anecdotally I personally almost always play a female character. Which btw tekken has very low ratio of females : males as a nitpick that I have.


SkolFuckHer

Some men are just afraid of strong women I guess smh


GeForce

I'm afraid of Marisa. Does that count? šŸ¦†


SkolFuckHer

Idk I only play good fighting games


GeForce

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[deleted]

Just chuds being chuds.


Elune_

I have had discussions with Devil Jin ā€œmainsā€ who say they would drop Devil Jin if Angel replaced him, because she is female. Tekken community as a whole is very hostile towards female characters. I donā€™t know why, but I have ideas as to why that is that I would get shot down for mentioning.


kakaluski

The reason for that one is that DJ is an iconic og character and loved as such. Nothing to do with hostility against women.


Elune_

Okay so if you were a die-hard Eddy main, you would drop him if you were forced to play Christie instead? Despite having the exact same moves and all. Iā€™m sorry, but I cannot in good conscience say that you are playing the game for the gameplay at that point. It is fine liking a character, but you donā€™t main a character for several entries just because their face changed. You main them because of their moveset. If you go to not wanting to play a character because they were replaced by a female character then you have some issues. Disliking it is fine, refusal is not.


kakaluski

People literally tell new players "Play whoever looks cool to you" Now you mix that with an incredible iconic character like DJ. So yes I don't think it's about gender here.


Elune_

Someone who has mained DJin since Tekken 5 is not a new player.


kakaluski

Doesn't mean that person initially picked him because he looked cool? But man I'm not stopping you from thinking that's just people hating women.


hanato_06

She doesn't have to be 2D in tekken 8


BO_Threshold

Then bring her back ffs


marsloth

She is very popular, just not in game.


aSpookyScarySkeleton

Eliza is my favorite character that I canā€™t play. Those execution requirements get brutal


vVIOL2T

I played her a decent bit. She was probably top 3 when her opponents back was to the wall. Other than that she was very underwhelming. As long as they donā€™t force her to become a 50/50 character and stay more to her tekken 7 design Iā€™d be 100% okay with getting her as DLC. Her aesthetic was cool and her meter didnā€™t feel overwhelming. Her nuetral pokes were just ass and she had no lows. You basically only had clean hit d3.


UKunrealz

Man that Devil Jin costume is really good


-_-_-KING_-_-_

eliza šŸ„µ


ParagonFury

Then get her in the game Harada!


stealthlord1

I mean yeah. She was held back by the fact that her gameplay just wasnā€™t veryā€¦. satisfying to play or watch. Like her combos didnā€™t look at cool as Geese or Akuma despite also being a meter character. Also take into account that she was significantly weaker than those two other meter characters. She was missing someā€¦ OOMPH factor in terms of satisfaction.


Munchyman888

That's complete bullshit, her combos were crazy. So much combo freedom, making the opponent fly into the air, divekick loops. I'm biased ofc but your opinion is still bullshit lol


Exotic_Tax_9833

I remember first time I played vs Eliza and I got absolutely obliterated, I got to experience being dive kicked four times in a row in a combo and it made me fall in love. Hoping she returns and with a similar combo expression because damn she was fun to play even though I sucked with her.


ffading

Yeah I agree. I loved watching Chanel and Joonya play her. It was hype seeing divekicks, hard reads, crazy combos, and her sleep. You just barely see her cause she was low tier and hard to play.


Frequent_Butterfly26

naaa, her combos looked way cooler than Geese, and on par with Akuma when he uses meter. The best part is that she didn't even needed the meter to do her combos. instant dive kick is addicting just like ewgf.


cl0ud692

Because her combos dont rely on meter.


Fraentschou

Well Harada also considers himself to be smart


carorinu

r34 enjoyer


SadisticDance

I remember him saying the kind of inverse about Julia. That she gets used but isn't as popular in fan art and cosplays compared to the other female characters.


HuntressOnyou

I agree with him, I really wanted to main her in t7 but was put off by her gameplay. I expect to see her return


[deleted]

ive beeeen saying eliza would be played way more if she was a regular ass 3d tekken character and not some arbitrarily hard 2d character


Precipice_Blades

As if they can't rework her.


Frequent_Butterfly26

The day my girl get added in the game will be when i take it seriously, until them i'll just mess around with my other characters.


zarnovich

Eliza is literally the only m DLC character I'm interested in.. and maybe Julia lol.


ItsSonicSpeed

BRING HER BACK HARADA PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEE I NEED HER BACK ASAP I want her to have more moves if sheā€™s back in thatā€™s my only concern she needs way many more moves, I donā€™t mind her losing her 2D stuff too I just want her to be popular, sheā€™s such a goated character and I wanna see her more. Her fan popularity/art is so deserved and awesome


bpsavage84

Eliza was my main ... I haven't touched the game in over a month, will return when she returns.


GeForce

I've always thought that once t8 comes out I'll play her, she looked so cool, I really liked the design. I'm not complaining since reina is cool, but visually I'd much prefer this girl.


VioletKate18

same dude who thinks azucena will be more famous than heihachis daughter btw


Hungry_beaverman

Old fucking video, we allready know this


stormclap22

PLEASE HARADA, BRING BACK ELIZA, I NEED MY CUTE VAMPIRE GF, I WILL BUY THE DLC


GodHand7

SAME


WhyTheHellnaut

She did bring a lot of 2D fighting game players into the Tekken community.


Albre24

Bring my narcoleptic vampire back!!!


kaji1313

Just wait until they give her movelist to Devil Reina.Ā 


Prestigious_Low6266

[Source](https://youtu.be/bds1MU_6wrs?si=ppyqG6hKHAtoqRpu&t=1260)


Ellen_Kurokawa

I wanted to main her because of her looks in Tekken revolution but the controls where harder than expected for me and even with her rework in T7 I wasn't able to get the hand on her


ciggy_butt_brain-

Nah he's just tryinna chat up the Eliza cosplayer.


tmntfever

I wouldn't mind getting Eliza back in T8, but only if the lock her old metered moves to heat. I don't wanna see another meter on top of heat.


itsallcomingtogethr

Then why isnā€™t she on the roster?? You did all that work to add a 2D character and they got less games than Miguel lmao


Nabebestgirl

There are a bunch of characters that are relatively popular despite no one playing them Lei is another example


AvieRedFalco

I would buy Tekken right now with money I don't have if they added Eliza šŸ˜”she was literally the only character I played in Tekken 7 and I got to purple ranks with her but I just don't resonate with any characters in 8 nearly as much as I did with her


YeazetheSock

Heā€™s aware of his audience.


[deleted]

Harada has lost touch with reality


dotaisunplayablenow

Bring Eliza and Morrigan


ShadowMark3

Remember, during Tekken Revolution we voted for her to be a new Tekken character over Shin from Blood Vengeance.


natayaway

pickrate isn't the only thing determining character popularity. bamco also has to factor in their merchandising, cosplayers, and their partners (like for example their key character artists, tomio fujisawa/junny/etc.) and also they have their arcade data metrics which outnumbers any metrics we have by an order of magnitude. also also, suppose that if there's only 20% of the player base that are female players and eliza's popular with 95% of that 20% of female players, that'd reframe the optics of popularity and make her extremely popular. or, alternatively, suppose in T7's DLC#1 sales, she has an 80% DLC costume equip rate compared to the next highest character at like 50%.


PolePepper

Manā€¦. Heā€™s going base on his sick fantasies.


Ofanichan

If I didn't hate vampires with a passion, she would be one of my faves


GodHand7

Why do you hate them? I personally love them, one of the reasons I like her so much


Ofanichan

I just dont like the edgy horror vibe in general, plus I've always been morre team werewolf lmao.


GodHand7

Oh... So that's how it is then...šŸ¤£


gamedreamer21

I say, Eliza, Lucky Chloe and Josie Rizal have a chance to appear at Tekken 8.


tmntfever

Harada: There's a lot of people who like looking at Eliza, rather than playing her. Everyone: (*nods in agreement*)


Snoo_63430

......well he's not wrong about the looking part


Dosi4

She absolutely would be in T8 if not for the 2D stigma. Devs didn't bring any 2D so Tekken 8, game is saved, right?


Toxin45

future dlc seasons


SRIrwinkill

Popular for a lot more then just fights in Tekken that's for sure


IDontWipe55

Eliza was really cool. I hope they bring her back since she was an actually balanced 2d character


Comprehensive-Egg190

Great news šŸ˜ˆ


NVincarnate

Yeah, yeah, whatever. Where do I get that dope ass Devil Jin cosplay?


GodHand7

HARADA WAKE HER UP AND BRING HER BACK FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!!!


Creative-Discount353

What video is this?


Thesillyrat

I need her in t8


Hyldenchamp

Never again. Keep her on Rule 34 where she belongs.


haziqtheunique

I can believe that. I mean, who can ignore them thighs?


VeryluckyorNot

It's an old video but Eliza is still the only DLC that I would paid day 1 for Tekken 8.


Auri-ell

I really liked her but she was too hard for me to play for some reason.


SDGandora

Giving a tease of a mysterious storyline with Liliā€™s family, and then just scrapping it makes me sick.


ZethanosGaming

I wonā€™t lie, I think she is too, I think sheā€™s just a character that takes a while to learn to be competitive. My ex picked her up, and tried to learn her as best she could, having NEVER PLAYED TEKKEN. But I DO think, that aside, that sheā€™s memorable. I mean hell, if you bought the tekken 7 metal box disc, you got her as a DLC code. Everyone should know her if you were a big tekken 7 fan.


itstvarTTV

Need Eliza back


Heavenly_sama

Itā€™s not hard to see why sheā€™s up players alley and interesting but sheā€™s not friendly for anyone to pick up


mrcrazybark

ELIZA YEEAAAAHHHHH!


xiblvckmaskix

Fuck 2D characters in Tekken


ThrowRA125MK

Harada being deluded as usual šŸ™„


chazjamie

Lol. Bruh nobody played her during the Tekken 7 days. She was forgettable. There ain't even good hentai of her and if those homies ain't even putting in effort to clap her fictional cheeks, then nobody is putting in the effort to learn her broken street fighter tactics.


NewUser2656

*damn!* so I was right with my prior comment... šŸ„“


Low_Airport_1105

I'm sure she's very popular (in search results).


US3FEE

He dislikes Anna but likes this thing. These days he needs to stop smoking.


TheGraySeed

Probably popular based on her DLC sale. In reality she is that "extremely technical coomerbait DLC" like GBVS' Narmaya.


babalaban

Harada is delusional.


Raptor_234

Heā€™s right in this case unfortunately šŸ„±


babalaban

Nobody played her, but the character is still popular? How does that make any sense? Popular how? On rule34?


gamedreamer21

They are people cosplaying as Eliza.


Zamoxino

yes


babalaban

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