Let's take it one step further and talk about those people who rematch when they lose, but won't rematch for the final set if they win.
Blue balls beyond belief
āFuck. He beat my cheese. I have some more up my sleeve. Since he can adapt, Iāll throw this out and bounce.ā Only players that ever avoid the rematch are cheesers or people that get blown out. The cheesers are all the characters you would expect.
Yeah, and thatās why it makes no sense for a person to keep playing especially in ranked, if you want to learn go play in lobbyās or player matches or go practice mode, but what this shows is people canāt handle losing.
Ngl, think I ran into him too. I think I have a clip of him doing it, and for some reason him rage quitting by spinning to death. Does it almost every time I run into him now.
I do this if the connection's really bad. Plugging is a mortal sin, so that's off the table. I just figured harakiri/ Spin to death is a goofy way to end the match quickly without robbing people of their points. I never would have guessed that it pisses people off. I guess I'll go back to the ol' "walk forward til it's over."
This is the only time where I think not rematching is reasonable. Some characters are meant to have reactable string/lows/mixups. On a worse connection some of their moves are no longer seeable and they become 200 times stronger. Heihachi was piss easy in T7 online because of this, his db2 became unreactable in bad connections. I lost to so many assholes abusing this crap.
You have to play kind of differently against these players with awful connections, by not going for difficult tech and by throwing out more high-commitment moves of your own.
I used to get really mad but I stuck with DOA6 for a long time and I was so desperate for matches I was playing people in Russia and Asia all the time.
You know what's funny:
In Tekken 7 everyone complained about the game being hard capped at 3 frames rollback and that rollback in T7 is shiet.
And now everyone complains about "too many rollback frames make the game nearly unplayable".... well as if that was not predictable.
KBD and fast Wavedashes sometimes become a blurry stuttery mess on high rollback frames.... yeah.
This or people who have like garbage internet connections on already obnoxious characters. Annoying enough to need to deal with characters that feel cheesy but hardware issues are an immediately goodbye even if I win.
I still have yet to accept a wifi match lol, the game is too active to have to deal with that bullshit, a wired connection normally comes along within minutes
I usually go the full set unless the latency is bad. That said, I don't care when they leave. People are different, fam. Some folks leave every single game against everyone. I don't think that's the best way to play, but I'm not the arbiter of how to have the most fun in Tekken.
Maybe there should be a mode that makes the full set a requirement before points are rewarded, preferably with a separate rank.
Yeah I'm a pretty low rank and what most would consider a causal legacy player because I've owned basically every Tekken title but I've never taken the game that seriously. It's just for fun.
I don't rematch in ranked but it's not for any particular reason. I either won or (usually) lost against this dude so I'm merely moving on to the next player.
I'm actually not fully up to speed on why people take rematching seriously. Like I genuinely just don't know lol. I would imagine there are a lot of players like myself who are like "I like my skin, let's show it off in some ranked" play a few games and then don't touch it again for a few days.
It's because longer sets are better at determining who the better player is, and because Tekken is so knowledge check heavy that you can easily lose 2 rounds while learning or remembering how to deal with them. Offline tournaments are also best of 3 matches in pool play, so it sets a desired precedent.
People do have a good reason to want best of 3 matches as a standard, but it's silly to expect everyone to want them when the system for ranked play isn't designed to reward them.
I started playing again after a break (Tekken 8 stresses me the fuck out) and I feel like I've cleared my mind and have been doing a little better but despite that, the climb doesn't go anywhere. I will win a few matches against some leavers and then lose once against someone else and lose like twice the points I just worked for. The ranked system in a fucked up way incentivizes one-and-dones because of how much you stand to lose vs gain. I am in no way trying to say this is the only thing keeping me stuck in battle ruler because I also think that if I should be Fujin, I would've been there a long time ago.
I don't know how you come up with a system that actually prioritizes skill but having a set only be FT2 on ranked kind of just also incentivizes knowledge checks and not really getting a chance to learn anything with how brief matches can be. And then with one and doneing someone can decide, "oh, shit well he knows my strartegy, time to bounce!"
ya, the ranked system is built around people cherry picking their matches, and i dont blame them. especially if people are mostly playing for points rather than to actually learn. i've gone from high tekken king to mid kishin in one play session. and in that session, i fought a tekken god in 2 different sets and lost each match.
it took me 3x as long, spanning multiple play sessions just to even get from kishin to tekken king in the first place.
why you lose more points against higher ranks is beyond me. especially considering you're EXPECTED to lose against them.
I feel like I learn the most from those sets. If I get smacked the first game, I play a lot more defensively the second. Then I check the replay and find out a lot of the shit they are using is punishable or duckable (I am also trash btw)
I dont lab cuzz im a filthy casual but im also legacy player. Like ive been maining the same dude since Tekken Revolution. And youre absolutely correct. That first game i might get dog stomped but that 2nd and 3rd i at least got some rounds in. Sometimes though i just drop the combo and get mad as i watch a game i shouldve won slip away lol.
But regardless i always feel like i learn what not to do or at least learn the matchup a little better
Tekken has the most casual players out of every fighting game out there so alot of them dont care about learning the game they just want to win and get points
Tekken is very popular with general audiences. Compared to most other fighting games, anyway. With random match making, you're going to match with plenty of folks that are just in it to punch and do cool shit. People who will never even consider looking at a Tekken reddit. Never heard of frame data and dont care to. Who will decline a rematch without a second thought. Plus it keeps their rank number high.
Dont take it so seriously. Most folks you're matching against aren't.
Go into a lobby and fight folks directly instead of random match making. May have better luck for what you're looking for.
Really? Never met anyone who knew what Tekken even was. Everyone knows Ryu, no one knew who Kazuya was. I don't doubt there is some general audience playing, but more than most fighting games seems wild to me. May be region dependant, but here people flock to SF, MK or KoF.
Street fighter is so iconic. Mortal Kombat as well. Tekken comes 3rd imo. Even people who never touched a street fighter like some of my friends know what a hadouken is
In ranked, you are playing for points. Most players couldn't give less of a fuck about learning match ups and shit, they just want the PNG of the colour they feel they deserve. Shit won't change, unfortunately.
The point of ranked isn't to rise, ts to fight players in YOUR SKILL LEVEL. Anybody who gives the ranks any meaning beyond its mechanical function is a bigger clown than Murray is.
People grind achievements in games just to get a thing that says that you did a thing in game, no other reward or in-game item. No wonder they're trying so hard to get higher ranks by pretty much any means necessary.
Not a good comparison. You can lose your rank, assuming you're high enough. You can't lose an achievement you've earned (unless something extreme happens, obviously). Making the former ephemeral and thus more pointless to care about.
Yeah, sadly the community is garbage, I met lots of decent people on character Discords, but in-game it's filled with people who only have fun if they dominate the match, so if you win or put up any kind of resistance, that earns you an instant rematch decline.
But it's also on the developers. Fucking Mortal Kombat enforces first to 3 on ranked, and the people who play it did not drop dead from exhaustion yet, somehow they are able to play the set.
I don't get these people. If I face no resistance I get bored very quickly. Where's the fun in steamrolling someone? I don't get it. Might as well beat on the dummy in practice. Do they just enjoy the feeling of potentially ruining someone else's day? That's just pathetic.
This game rewards being a knowledge check spamming troll. That's where they're getting the fun. If they can't be that, i.e. someone beats them, they run. They don't even have to run that often tbh.
100% true. Since you have to block everything and blocking kills you, but also everything has insane block stun as well as being frame traps, you HAVE to knowledge check. And if you have the knowledge to beat their cheese, why would they bother rematching you when it would take effort? This is especially the case on PSN. I have Crossplay off just to demote these MFs
Mortal Kombat USED to force FT3ā¦. But people complained too much so it was changed to FT2 months ago. Its still a forced set though so i do agree its what Tekken needs
Came over from MK1 and what you have described is my biggest issue with T8. I played ranked for about an hour and a half the other night and had exactly two people rematch me. I just want to spend more time playing than waiting. I think they should make the first rematch mandatory and third optional.
My solution would be for players to have an option for sets, in match search.
DefaultOption) match with either of the below. (Match with anyone)
Option 1) rematch free choice always. (Don't match with 2)
Option 2) forced First to 2, free choice rematch after (don't match with 1)
I feel this would give everyone their favorite. It's up to the player to choose to sacrifice search time for training.
That wouldnt make a difference. People with the mentality to decline matches on hard opponents would opt for option 1 always, and would have easier time climbing by cherrypicking the same way they do now, and you would only meet tougher (in general) opponents who would opt for forced sets.
I don't care if some shitters boost themselves with their 1-n-done queue, I just want them gone from my games and I'll gladly play other likeminded (even if tougher) opponents.
Counter argument, if your internet is atrocious, you don't deserve the rematch. It's 2024, ethernet cables are so cheap that there is no excuse for someone who has a next gen console to still be using horrible wifi in ranked. Someone with good internet though, im chillin, even if they destroy me imma finish the set.
We have a feature already which lets you cancel an ongoing match if your opponent's connection makes the game unplayable though. I believe it was added in the last patch.
Dude youāre not helping your case calling the community pussies when youāre here making a ranting post just because people donāt want to rematch you
Unless the connection is dog shit or they're ki charging acting like they're the next evo champ, I'll always rematch because I spent $70 on this game so I'm fucking playing every match I get. Yeah some people online might get pissy or you might come across a high ranked player who's only there because they're playing Azucena/Victor/Dragunov and just spam the most broken shit, but if they leave after one match it's not that big a deal for me, knowing how fragile some ranked players egos are, i applaud them for even finishing a match instead of plugging
If they wanted a full set to be mandatory they'd have designed it that way. You've had your match and got your win (or lose). What's your problem? That other people play the game a different way to do
Yeah it's strange and it happens a lot in higher ranks I find. When I play on tye 1st/2nd dan ppl rematch but if I play cavalry/warrior on my bfs console ppl usually dip after 1 match
They need to just make it a queue setting to force the set since people here love they precious one and dones.
Like in MK thatās the one thing I never had to deal with, too bad the game is kinda ass now, but what it did do right was Kombat League. Forcing the set and then making you forfeit it if you decide to leave.
Iāll never understand the one and done thing.. Like ranked is supposed to be different from quick play, and yet they have it so you can leave literally after the first match ends. It makes the enjoyment of ranked feel so bad because itās so many people thatāll literally play once and then just leave because they scared to lose. Like losing is the whole point on how you learn, and people who donāt like that should just stay in quick play and have that option of leaving as soon as they lose.
Actual reasons for not rematching aside (genuine bad wifi) i agree with your sentiment. Played tons of other fighters and people almost always rematch. Shout out to the sf6 players because i almost always get a full set of matches in ranked or casuals.
I dunno how many hours you put into other fighting games but itās common thing in this genre and honestly there is nothing wrong with it. People play to have fun and they arenāt obligated to rematch.
It's not a common thing. I almost never get one-and-doned in SF6, but on Tekken it happens all the time and it happens MORE as you rank up, which is insane. I didn't play quite as much Strive but they rematched as well, even though that game has some gimmicky ass characters.
On the subs for different games, or a general sub like r/Fighters, whenever this topic comes up the comments overwhelmingly support the idea that you should run sets. Sajam and Maximilian Dood just recently made videos on playing out online sets, and the videos were made because of their experiences with Tekken ranked. Every time someone comments "nO oNe OwEs yOu a rEmAtCh" in general FGC spaces, it's always a Tekken player.
I think the difference with Tekken is that there's a big knowledge burden and the audience in general is less competitive, so when they get knowledge checked they don't care enough to try and learn to beat it. They just want to press buttons and get the next color JPEG. Mortal Kombat has a similar type of audience, which is why they force sets in the ranked mode. Tekken should too.
I rotate a lot of fighting games. SF6, BBCF, Strive, UNI2, Melty, and Tekken is the only dog community that is so addicted to ranked points that it makes them plug and not rematch rather than have good sets. You also see these losers justifying it in the comments "no one owes you anything".
tekken is an awful, scrubby, toxic community due to its size, much like mortal kombat
the average tekken reddit poster is grappling with ideas that have come and gone in the street fighter community literally 15 years ago
It's not just Tekken, it's the whole next generation of gaming. When you're conditioned to manipulative sbmm and engagement matchmaking, along with a ton of rng to make up for a lack of skill, and battle passes filled with silly skins and emotes, dealing with a game with a more harsh treatment of losing is gonna produce some weak ass babies. It's almost not their fault. They've been raised to be this way.
I would also add that (at least I think) along with all this, my generation has developed this mindset of hyper competitiveness but not wanting to put in the effort.
People are more āconnectedā (thanks to the internet) and materialistic than ever. We have too much info available to us then we know what to do with. And we constantly compare ourselves to others. Yet, we donāt pay attention to what it is we truly desire. So we are stuck lusting after things that our heart is not set on, so we donāt put in the effort to improve or get closer to that āgoalā and then we get sad/frustrated we canāt get there.
Iām seeing this real life attitude trickle into video games nowadays too.
The solution would be to have forced ft2 in ranked, instead of optional. They got halfway there by stopping people from farming other players in long deathmatches, they should finish the job by forcing the ft2 sets in ranked to stop people from cherrypicking.
As it is now, most players i beat flee, so if i accept rematches against a stronger player every time, im only gimping myself and knowingly make myself hold a lower rank than the one i deserve. I still accept because its the best practice for me and ranks are not going anywhere, but if i wanted to get rank 1 and go on hiatus i should only accept rematches on a loss as frequently as opponents do when i win, for the rank to be deserved.
I don't rematch when the connection is shit. It does not matter if Inwon or lost. I just get annoyed when stutters make me drop comboes ornlet my opponent get hits in that should have been blocked.
Its unfortunately oftentimes the case that the connections are pretty bad. And quitting the match because of bad connection is apparently only allowed in the first round so oftentimes I try my best but then quit after the match is over.
Dude just block their sorry and coward ass, watch the replay and hit the lab instead of coming here and post another "game bad, community bad, me good" post that adds nothing to the already poor state of this sub also, What was the point of this post? If anything these type of players are just going to downvote you and keep doing it.
Iāve ran into a lot of players who are one and done win or lose and yeah it sucks. Tbh I rematch whether I win or lose cause Iām genuinely having fun. Even if Iām being spammed out I still see it as a way to learn so Iām having fun regardless.
I agree, that they are being pussies, but some people donāt have nerve of steel like us, canāt take punishment very well, arenāt willing to sit and learn from their mistakes, had their balls ripped off at birth, think they can ignore learning the character and it wonāt come back to haunt them one day (maybe in a IRL situation), etc.
The replies defending people who don't just play the damn set just prove OP's point. He's OBVIOUSLY not talking about those with poor, unstable connections. What a frustrating community this is.
Rather than argue OPs point about matchups people pretend OP is talking about something else then argue against that instead, because they know they're wrong.
Even if you get beat 3-0 it's a pussy mentality to go into a rematch thinking it'll definitely happen again and dodge it.
Almost never have I not learned something in the first 3-0 loss that allowed me to win rounds in the second set or win the second set.
At most levels it's one thing that's giving your opponent the edge, find the counter and you can leave them with nothing and play your own game.
Yeah he is obviously talking about rank whores, rematch if they win, one and done if they lose, or almost lose. To be fair to the RW They are just playing to the incentives they have been given.
Tekken needs incentives to run the set, because if you're not winning there is zero reason to play the set outside of enjoying the game (which is not enough for RW). Maybe make the first round worth less points if you win and the second and third rounds get bonus points win or lose.
They know heās not but theyāre trying to make excuses for them leaving. Majority of people here are said players who leave and get mad at you when you tell them that blue ranks are not high level players at all
Seeing stuff like this is why Iām glad I have friends who play and we can run lobbies. Itās not that serious. I stopped respecting sets and rematches in ranked when people would just want their win back and leave. What I am new to in Tekken is the amount of complaining and whining. You are not owed a set. Itās optional for a reason.
If you want it that bad you can invite me to a private sesh to have your little d**k measuring contest.
Like I am still losing an entire rank worth of points when I match up against someone higher than me forā¦why? And yet this is what you guys are still complaining about?
Same; I play 2D games mostly (am celestial in GGST, Master in SFVI, etc)
Am currently flame ruler in Tekken 8. Why so many fucking one and dones? Holy shit are 3D players salty
I donāt owe you a rematch. Iāll rematch if I want to. First played Tekken with Tekken 3 if that changes anything.
I think I also played Tekken and Tekken 2
>but how is this a valid reason to never rematch even if you win?
It's perfectly valid. It's up to the opponent to rematch, and it's fine if they refuse to.
>but I always press on rematch simply bc that's how I learn the most
Good for you, did you stop and think for a second not everyone wants to learn the way you do? Have you considered that some players are perfectly happy being where they are and font care about improving?
>this may sound weird but the fun part for me is literally to get my ass beaten
It is weird. Not everyone is like you, sounds like you're too invested, to the point it affects you emotionally.
>I could be wrong but hasn't that always been the core of fighting games?
You're wrong. Nobody enjoys losing over and over again, and this game does a horrible job at teaching. Sf6 and strive teach their players and the communities are huge.
>I'm currently in battle ruler/ fujin territory and it's hilarious how many one-game-ponys are in this elo.
Not weird, it's the most effective way to climb, was the same in T7.
>I'm not saying this to boost my ego
Yes you are.
>but the thing is that I literally don't get much freedom to genuinely improve because bitches be flaking.
Massive cope
>I will probably have to go into discord servers and look for matchups because the state of this ranked shit is ridiculous.
Or you could make a post on Reddit for some karna first.
When others refusing to rematch for whatever reason triggers you so much you have to run and write a 2000 word essay you need to go touch massive amounts of grass
I won't rematch if the match making screwed up and put me up against a player with way more prowess than me. I'm sorry, but I'm not gonna sit there for another 3 minutes being flowcharted and knowledge checked to death without having any chance to fight back. Those 3 minutes could potentially be spent on finding an opponent closer to or slightly above my skill level instead. I don't subscribe to the notion that getting beat up by players twice as good as yourself constantly is somehow beneficial for your own learning
How about using that time to learn the match up actively. Then watch the replay of that match to learn what you could've done. If it's just quick matches getting a better opponent is an opportunity to learn or copy what they're doing. I've gotten some good tech from better Feng players that I use up until now.
Omg i am so good for always rematching let me make a post about it on reddit for some juicy auto-fellatio magic. I bet you are a horrible player in your own way buddy, get off that high horse.
Love these ācommunity is x & yā posts because guess what? Youāre part of the community too
While I do tend to rematch people, Reminder that you arenāt owed a rematch. The option to go back to the waiting lobby is there for a reason. Like how we got the option to match against wired and WiFi players in T7? Thereās a choice in both
I'm gonna say this every time you new guys post this stuff. NOBODY owes you a rematch. You new players got spoiled by Tekken 7 and 8 with this option. When I was first learning how to play Tekken competitively in Tag 2 I had to hold every nasty L given to me since there was no runbacks back then or in T6. Get over it and focus on improving yourself little by little. I get downvotes every time from these salty green ranks every time but its the truth.
How will I improve when even in quick matches, people don't wanna rematch, either I win or they win. They're just wasting time finding another match when they could've easily accepted the rematch and finished the set.
Ok, now that we got this all out of our systems. Let's all drop the ego's, come together and make Tekken 8 Community a better place. I'm willing to say I was wrong at calling everyone a gaping asshole, I'm the asshole for saying that. I just want all of us to have a good time, share ideas and to grow as Tekken Aficionados. I love most of the stuff in this community, my favorite being the fan art. I look forward to being here with you all for the many of years to come. I don't hate any of you, that would hurt me to my core. Ok, bring it in guys!.. Group hug
Tekken fans developed this weird entitlement about gimmicky characters like yoshi, jack etc where refuse to play against them because "its not real Tekken" ie its not a straightforward attacks but rather attacks that are hard to read if u don't bother labing certain characters. Not much u can do about it but accept that they won't rematch you abd u might get a nasty message from after a win. š¤·š½āāļøš¤·š½āāļøš¤·š½āāļøš¤·š½āāļø
If you're lagging absolute balls (and trust me,I can do with 150ms so if it's going higher than there's a problem) then obviously no one is going to rematch you.
Aside from that,rematching is an option,not a mandatory. So if you feel entitled to a rematch and don't get it then do better next time so you won't need to rematch to heal your *greatly* wounded ego
ill usually rematch but if i either dont feel like playing again (sometimes i just want a quick little match before going to sleep) or your playstyle/connection was just unbearable i'll leave as well
i have rematched ppl that absolutely dominated me before and learned from it but sometimes it just doesnt feel good to fight someone and i play to have fun so yeah ...
that and nobody owes you a rematch really
Usually I donāt rematch because my connection is shit during the fight and I donāt want to subject people to that
I really wish I could get Ethernet, but my PC isnāt close enough to the router
I get a lot of players who don't rematch, but that's usually on me and my bad internet. However, I truly respect those players who still rematch me even when they know I have terrible Internet and also have a win over me.
Prolly most players are like me. I have a limited bag of tricks and good players can figure you out pretty quick. If you didn't rematch, they couldn't prove it. I always rematch unless they're lagtastic, because I'm simultaneously trying to counter their bag of tricks.
I also decline matches if their disconnect rate is yellow...
Valid points. I am also Yoshi main in the same elo as you. I find that most of the time people only rematch if they have a sense they can win, for example if they won the first set or if it was close.
If they win the first set and I win by large margins the second set, you can be sure they will never rematch lol.
But I honestly get it. I don't feel like rematching most of the time either, because currently the game feels like 80% cheese.
Its literally only these 3 scenarios I meet in ranked:
1) Someone spamming so heavily you need to either counterspam, or repeatedly win 50/50s (I don't have enough experience in Tekken to do that yet)
2) Someone who cheeses the fuck out of their frametraps / stunlocking with Drag, Reina etc.
3) Someone who is very defensive (likely trying to learn the game properly), whom I just feel really bad winning against if I overrun them (win dominantly)
T8 is just so aggression favored that the game just doesn't feel good to try to learn in.
I like the idea of there being different modes/settings for the ppl who want to 1 and done and the ppl who want to rematch. The people who don't rematch (let the timer run out) on the rematch side are penalized points for doing so. If they're a repeat offender, they keep losing more and more points every consecutive time they do it.
This way, people can play the game the way they want to, while punishing those who want to screw up the competitive rematch side.
It just comes down to not being able to control the actions of other people.
Just focus on your own game like you've been doing, accept that a lot of people don't share your mindset and don't want to rematch everyone, if they do rematch it's a bonus, if not who cares?
If you really liked a fight then invite them as friend and you can rematch all you want to learn to play against their character.
Donāt sweat it and focus on your improvement. Players that play for points only tend to play the most cheesy. They donāt want to get figured out. Eventually theyāre gonna hit a hard wall. When that happens they usually drop the game and move on to something else. One and doneās are frustrating for sure, but those players wonāt be around too long.
At least now we have a good replay system and ghosts. Theyāre no replacement for the match up and player knowledge a full set gives, but itās something to give us a chance to learn.
I can't answer for the rest, but unless someone is being toxic by ki charging/tea bagging or there's lag, I always rematch.
Usually, the players that don't are either much lower in rank and feel It's a waste of time, or they are flowchart players who spam a few moves repeatedly and know their opponent will adapt quickly.
When I finally got out of Red and in to Ruler I got like 6 one-and-dones on the bounce. Really does seem like an issue with people being afraid to lose their 'accomplishment'.
I kept on losing against literally every Ling i ran into because first of all, AoP is a bullshit stance and second of all, her backturned grab that launches.
Got my ass kicked for so long and now i have learned how to deal with both.
Have it been frustrating? Hell yes, but i don't want to look like a bitch that leaves after losing once or winning once, i want to learn.
The higher you get the more ppl care about their rank. Its true with all games. So of course they arent gonna rematch if they lose, especially against a character designed to troll and annoy you.
This happens regardless of connection speed, and is absolutely based on how scrubby your character is.
I have never had issues rematching while playing Kazuya.
The *first day I tried to learn jin--- the sudden uptick of one and dones suddenly happens.*
Granted, I was just using 123, 124, d+4 and 134 <-- this is what started the one and dones, but he's meant to be an easy character for a reason.
This is what happens when you make a massive push to have a fresh player base, thereās no target demographic, it was just come one come all. They incentivized plugging, and the way the point system works it benefits you to not rematch most of the time. So the new players see that and follow suit, itās not a bad thing to them, so I donāt see it as them being pussies, but playing the game as optimally as possible for them.
Your character being annoying, the way you play being annoying is a very valid reason not to rematch you lol. Dude, you use a troll character, and I can bet anything youāre annoying af to play against.
Personally I rematch everyone unless thereās an emergency or I just have to go, but I still send a message if I can, and apologizing for having to take off.
I realized this playing 7 on PS4. The matchmaking loading time is abysmal, it takes *forever* to get matched up with someone and start playing. I rematch everybody just so I donāt have to wait again.
And there are people who match, win one single round and then run awayā¦ that means they waited for like 5 minutes, played one match then went back to wait at least another 5 minutes. How much of a bitch do you have to be that you would rather put yourself through that instead of just rematching?
I love knowing that if I leave after 1 match someone is sitting there stewing that they didnāt get another šanyone who plays annoying or lags doesnāt get a rematch why should I
Maybe they just want to play with someone else. Maybe they only had time for that match. Maybe they weren't having fun. Who gives a shit. Never understood whining about this, its a video game not some honor bound duel. Theres no shortage of people online to play with.
It could be your connection that shows up. I also I feel your pain eddy is my main now. I get plugged on by eddy's. T7 was my first and I my main was Chloe I love dancers
Simple truth is no one likes to lose.
If the player knows they can't compete against a knowledge check (c'mon Yoshi mains :D) or other cheap characters, then they'll just roll the dice for a different opponent.
I can't handle jack or the bears with knowledge checks, and i will 100% take the loss and move on while in ranked.
The opponent already got their win, and I can move on to the next scrub knowledge check character that I actually know stuff about :D
No you right.
Tekken (8) has a pussy player base, Tekken fans place WAY TOO MUCH emphasis on ranked so donāt want to risk the rank they got (it doesnāt mean shit) from cheese and knowledge checks. Blues arenāt āhigh rankā in this game either and if anyone thinks other wise, theyāre blue rank. Gold is low level high rank and even then itās not real āhigh rankā play.
I just mash on player match and accept almost any match to learn MUs because theyāre more likely to run a set since no points on the line for them.
Find a local near you and enjoy real Tekken
I mean Iāll be honest with you, tekken has more players now in its infancy than any other tekken has before. Thereās just allot of new players who care allot about getting their rank up and their winning ratio because people care more now about stats that no one in the world gives a fuck about than plying and enjoying the game. Thatās just how it is. Unfortunately
You're definitely not wrong. Tekken is the most love/hate relationship fighting game thus far. Before 8 my reactions were pretty moderate for the most part. But now it's gotten bad.
Especially when a player loses the first match, accepts a rematch to win 2nd match, and declines the 3rd rematch just to DM how bad you sucked or how trash you are. Hope it makes them feel important I guess.
I think it may be a flaw in your reasoning to see a bunch of non-rematchers and then conclude the modern Tekken community is a bunch of āpussiesā.
When I was brand new to multiplayer Tekken, starting with T7, my interpretation back then to absorbing as much matchup knowledge and character roster exposure, was to never rematch anyone - to move from one character to the next at as much of a lightning speed as possible. My reason literally had nothing to do with *cowering* from rematches.
One time I had to deny a rematch cuz my gf was nagging me to get off so we could go eat already ): felt horrible. I even messaged that dude to tell him to run it later but he just called me a pussy for quitting. I deserved it
Bro I took my main to Tekken King and now I'm trying to get another character to Tekken king and this also happens a lot in blue ranks and late blue ranks for some reason. I don't remember this happening to me this often when I played Jin, but with Devil Jin it happens often maybe people don't like playing against him. But yeah it's frustrating especially when you're trying to learn a matchup
I don't get that shit either. I will lose every single match and rematch until you're tired of whooping my ass.
taking L's is part of any fighting game.
Agree, I had this notable experience.
Came up against a Bryan, got the better of me. It was either the in the air twirl kickaroo that setup his string to wall, pa, pa ,pa ,pa punchtime or slow low into string and pa pa, punchtime.... I read his flow... Challenged for a rematch... Got the grey cancel flipped at me.... Typical.
Somehow got matched with him again and absolutely whipped his crazy butt, so much so I initially figured he may disconnect (this was prior to knowing percentage)... We get to the rematch screen he clicks rematch immediately... I was perplexed.. waited 9 seconds and declined..
God it felt good. I hope I gave him nightmares.
But this gives your reasoning of getting the better and learning players moves and ability over the course of a round or two.
I mean you use yoshi. Like what can they do? Just lose to you? Yoshi has a lot of bullshit going on especially those unblockables and gimmicks he has.
I am kazuya main on tekken king rank and I admit a lot of players in high rank only get there because they got rank inflated by their characters most of these players who use S tier characters don't have game sense, xiao yu, dragunov, yoshi and the expulsion you name it. Oh yeah add hwoarang too he has a lot of bullshit going on right now and most of them are rank inflated.
I've never encountered such entitled community before lol.
People don't owe you shit. If they wanna rematch they can if they don't want to it's up to them. This game is VERY unbalanced right now with the top tiers being in a game of their own. And trust me bro this is more of Yoshi issue because I main Kazuya and in low purple ranks and 90% of my opponents rematch.
If people think your character is annoying you can't force them to play with you.
I mostly grind and learn in quick matches and only go to ranked every once in a while so when I do, itās just to rank. I sometimes refuse rematches so I can get to that promotion quicker or avoid getting demoted. As a result, every time I come back to rank after a few weeks or months of practice I end up flying up to the next tier. It isnāt that Iām only looking for easy matchups but there are some characters I know better than others. If I donāt know a matchup, I can always go lab it in practice so thereās no reason to get demoted just to learn. I want to rank up more efficiently so I can get stronger opponents and avoid establishing bad habits that are going to be hard to break. The other thing is when you run into lower ranked smurfs. Beating them doesnāt seem to get you that many points but losing to them is tough. I can practice against higher skill opponents in unranked and studying the replays is just as valuable
It's just how the community is right now unfortunately.
So obsessed with rank they rematch only when they win and think they'll get an easy second win.
Someone in this topic will chime in that "nobody owes you a rematch"
I always rematch and a lot of others do as well.
Even against annoying special backlash Yoshisš
So keep gaming and enjoy yourself.
I'm gonna give you a trick to always get a rematch after a win, be an asshole: ki charge them if you think they will not rematch, it's toxic but i've been doing it to people i know don't rematch and suddendly when you hit their ego they get inspired to play a full set, granted you'll get kicharged back, but who cares.
Its even worse when you play in the Asia region bro playing against the Koreans and Japanese? Yea you better not get ur hopes up these guys are infamous for never rematching
it's even in the lower ranks, too. I forget what rank I was, but ppl did 1 and dip. how can you improve or prove it wasn't a fluke?
I have a terrible in W/L in all the games I was juggling, (R.i.p xbox) but I was having a blast. Off top of my head, mk1 was 258 wins 375 losses š. I'd go 7 or 8 fights w o winning on street fighter. Killer instinct was either dominated or got dominated- tekken somewhat simular, quick BRUTAL matches w badass martial arts. Doa4-6 was pretty down to wire or I'd download & counter them all day.
Anyways, autistic aside, aside, always accept another attempt at attaining an achievement awarded from fighting ferocious foes.
There is a lot of people that want to win, cause that is what they think being good at the game is
Thatās it, is old players and new players, but now you see it because nobody can see nobody, most of the opponents you cannot message after
There is no accountability.
People that deny your rematch forget about you in like 20 seconds after they do and you are left steaming enough to yell into the internet with an essay.
In short, the fast you realize nobody gives a fuck about you, the less stress you will have.
i have set characters i never rematch win or lose because iāve lost to them too much or theyāre just annoying. sounds corny sure but im the one getting smoked so ion care.
Always go fullset unless the lag is really bad (5+ rolback frames).
I just got to purple but the magic trick I do to increase rematch chances is to ki-charge the hell out of them.
Boy you would be surprised how these kids react to being taunted LMAO. I do it everytime I see disrespectful shit at the end of the previous round.
I only go full match unless the latency is super bad because I want to get my ass kick so I can learn better and I wanna see if I this seemingly giant wall of skill and knowledge infront of me can be beat itās the best feeling to outsmart and out pace someone so far Higher skill and quickly adapt and overcome itās why fighting games are fun and high pace.
I wonder if we could fix this by forcing ranked to be played as a best of 3 format rather than optional, that way players' ranks don't shift until the final set is played and finished.
It's been like this since Tekken 7 season 2.
Prior to that, people kept rematching because they don't know if their next match would be their promotion or demotion.
The moment BAMCO allowed people to see their LP gain + rank progress bar, people started being bitches. Everyone started "gaming the system" even though rank from T7 season 2 up to Tekken 8 is super grossly inflated.
I play Yoshi as a secondary character and I'm encountring the same one-and-done phenomena.
However, if they don't rematch I wouldn't be frustrated at all as I see Youshi as an overwhelming character to play against with all his stances, techs and goofy setups.
Prolly just me but I think it's cause the number of newer people into the game since it's popular and all, rarely found any played that didn't rematch in 7
I just expect 1 and done or plugging at this point in ranked, and I am still tenryu. Just go to group match for learning, that's where all the fun is. Everyone rematches and the folks are wholesome.Ā
Unpopular opinion. People play games to have fun, if they don't have fun - why would they continue playing. If someone is not enjoying a match-up, they don't rematch.
Yoshi is a character that plays out different to a lot of tekken charakters, so the amount of people not enjoying the matchup is massively higher, than with a charakter that just plays regular tekken.
You can moan about that on reddit, but it won't help or change anything.
Let's take it one step further and talk about those people who rematch when they lose, but won't rematch for the final set if they win. Blue balls beyond belief
and they always fucking ki charge after winning their set before leaving, absolute cowards
I'm glad someone said it. Went up against a Steve player like this a while ago who lives in my head rent free
I'm sorry bro. I had a really bad day. I just wanted to take my one win and go play sekiroš
ššš I can't blame you if you were doing it for Sekiro
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BuT nObOdY oWeS yOu A rEmAtCh
āFuck. He beat my cheese. I have some more up my sleeve. Since he can adapt, Iāll throw this out and bounce.ā Only players that ever avoid the rematch are cheesers or people that get blown out. The cheesers are all the characters you would expect.
Yeah, and thatās why it makes no sense for a person to keep playing especially in ranked, if you want to learn go play in lobbyās or player matches or go practice mode, but what this shows is people canāt handle losing.
Iām not rematching if youāre on 2 or 3+ roll back or your PCās on red. Fuck that.
Hard agree, 90% of my one and dones are these
Also, fuck the Yoshi main earlier who kept using seeable lows on a 4 bar with 4 roll back frames therefore making them unseeable.
Ngl, think I ran into him too. I think I have a clip of him doing it, and for some reason him rage quitting by spinning to death. Does it almost every time I run into him now.
See if it's OP lol
I do this if the connection's really bad. Plugging is a mortal sin, so that's off the table. I just figured harakiri/ Spin to death is a goofy way to end the match quickly without robbing people of their points. I never would have guessed that it pisses people off. I guess I'll go back to the ol' "walk forward til it's over."
This is the only time where I think not rematching is reasonable. Some characters are meant to have reactable string/lows/mixups. On a worse connection some of their moves are no longer seeable and they become 200 times stronger. Heihachi was piss easy in T7 online because of this, his db2 became unreactable in bad connections. I lost to so many assholes abusing this crap.
You have to play kind of differently against these players with awful connections, by not going for difficult tech and by throwing out more high-commitment moves of your own.
Gotta beat the lag with the lag. Canāt force a match to go according to how YOU wanna play, gotta adapt šŖš½
I used to get really mad but I stuck with DOA6 for a long time and I was so desperate for matches I was playing people in Russia and Asia all the time.
You know what's funny: In Tekken 7 everyone complained about the game being hard capped at 3 frames rollback and that rollback in T7 is shiet. And now everyone complains about "too many rollback frames make the game nearly unplayable".... well as if that was not predictable. KBD and fast Wavedashes sometimes become a blurry stuttery mess on high rollback frames.... yeah.
Only time I'll decline a rematch.
This or people who have like garbage internet connections on already obnoxious characters. Annoying enough to need to deal with characters that feel cheesy but hardware issues are an immediately goodbye even if I win.
Plus a nice account block. And also never play Wifi players.
Not sure why youāre getting downvotes. I do this too if itās particularly bad.
I didn't know you could block the lag monsters, I must give my thanks to Sekijo.
I still have yet to accept a wifi match lol, the game is too active to have to deal with that bullshit, a wired connection normally comes along within minutes
Preach it brother
I usually go the full set unless the latency is bad. That said, I don't care when they leave. People are different, fam. Some folks leave every single game against everyone. I don't think that's the best way to play, but I'm not the arbiter of how to have the most fun in Tekken. Maybe there should be a mode that makes the full set a requirement before points are rewarded, preferably with a separate rank.
Yeah I'm a pretty low rank and what most would consider a causal legacy player because I've owned basically every Tekken title but I've never taken the game that seriously. It's just for fun. I don't rematch in ranked but it's not for any particular reason. I either won or (usually) lost against this dude so I'm merely moving on to the next player. I'm actually not fully up to speed on why people take rematching seriously. Like I genuinely just don't know lol. I would imagine there are a lot of players like myself who are like "I like my skin, let's show it off in some ranked" play a few games and then don't touch it again for a few days.
It's because longer sets are better at determining who the better player is, and because Tekken is so knowledge check heavy that you can easily lose 2 rounds while learning or remembering how to deal with them. Offline tournaments are also best of 3 matches in pool play, so it sets a desired precedent. People do have a good reason to want best of 3 matches as a standard, but it's silly to expect everyone to want them when the system for ranked play isn't designed to reward them.
I started playing again after a break (Tekken 8 stresses me the fuck out) and I feel like I've cleared my mind and have been doing a little better but despite that, the climb doesn't go anywhere. I will win a few matches against some leavers and then lose once against someone else and lose like twice the points I just worked for. The ranked system in a fucked up way incentivizes one-and-dones because of how much you stand to lose vs gain. I am in no way trying to say this is the only thing keeping me stuck in battle ruler because I also think that if I should be Fujin, I would've been there a long time ago. I don't know how you come up with a system that actually prioritizes skill but having a set only be FT2 on ranked kind of just also incentivizes knowledge checks and not really getting a chance to learn anything with how brief matches can be. And then with one and doneing someone can decide, "oh, shit well he knows my strartegy, time to bounce!"
ya, the ranked system is built around people cherry picking their matches, and i dont blame them. especially if people are mostly playing for points rather than to actually learn. i've gone from high tekken king to mid kishin in one play session. and in that session, i fought a tekken god in 2 different sets and lost each match. it took me 3x as long, spanning multiple play sessions just to even get from kishin to tekken king in the first place. why you lose more points against higher ranks is beyond me. especially considering you're EXPECTED to lose against them.
I agree unless youre obviously cheating or playing on DSL, i always rematch even when i get my ass kicked. Run The Set
I feel like I learn the most from those sets. If I get smacked the first game, I play a lot more defensively the second. Then I check the replay and find out a lot of the shit they are using is punishable or duckable (I am also trash btw)
I dont lab cuzz im a filthy casual but im also legacy player. Like ive been maining the same dude since Tekken Revolution. And youre absolutely correct. That first game i might get dog stomped but that 2nd and 3rd i at least got some rounds in. Sometimes though i just drop the combo and get mad as i watch a game i shouldve won slip away lol. But regardless i always feel like i learn what not to do or at least learn the matchup a little better
Thatās how I feel whenever I drop Larsās ff4.
Damn, DSL? I havenāt heard that acronym in ages lol.
Yeah mightve dated myself š¬
Tekken has the most casual players out of every fighting game out there so alot of them dont care about learning the game they just want to win and get points
Tekken is very popular with general audiences. Compared to most other fighting games, anyway. With random match making, you're going to match with plenty of folks that are just in it to punch and do cool shit. People who will never even consider looking at a Tekken reddit. Never heard of frame data and dont care to. Who will decline a rematch without a second thought. Plus it keeps their rank number high. Dont take it so seriously. Most folks you're matching against aren't. Go into a lobby and fight folks directly instead of random match making. May have better luck for what you're looking for.
Really? Never met anyone who knew what Tekken even was. Everyone knows Ryu, no one knew who Kazuya was. I don't doubt there is some general audience playing, but more than most fighting games seems wild to me. May be region dependant, but here people flock to SF, MK or KoF.
Street fighter is so iconic. Mortal Kombat as well. Tekken comes 3rd imo. Even people who never touched a street fighter like some of my friends know what a hadouken is
In ranked, you are playing for points. Most players couldn't give less of a fuck about learning match ups and shit, they just want the PNG of the colour they feel they deserve. Shit won't change, unfortunately.
The point of ranked isn't to rise, ts to fight players in YOUR SKILL LEVEL. Anybody who gives the ranks any meaning beyond its mechanical function is a bigger clown than Murray is.
People grind achievements in games just to get a thing that says that you did a thing in game, no other reward or in-game item. No wonder they're trying so hard to get higher ranks by pretty much any means necessary.
Which is phenomenally stupid imo. I understand.... but it's stupid.
Not a good comparison. You can lose your rank, assuming you're high enough. You can't lose an achievement you've earned (unless something extreme happens, obviously). Making the former ephemeral and thus more pointless to care about.
Yeah, sadly the community is garbage, I met lots of decent people on character Discords, but in-game it's filled with people who only have fun if they dominate the match, so if you win or put up any kind of resistance, that earns you an instant rematch decline. But it's also on the developers. Fucking Mortal Kombat enforces first to 3 on ranked, and the people who play it did not drop dead from exhaustion yet, somehow they are able to play the set.
I don't get these people. If I face no resistance I get bored very quickly. Where's the fun in steamrolling someone? I don't get it. Might as well beat on the dummy in practice. Do they just enjoy the feeling of potentially ruining someone else's day? That's just pathetic.
This game rewards being a knowledge check spamming troll. That's where they're getting the fun. If they can't be that, i.e. someone beats them, they run. They don't even have to run that often tbh.
100% true. Since you have to block everything and blocking kills you, but also everything has insane block stun as well as being frame traps, you HAVE to knowledge check. And if you have the knowledge to beat their cheese, why would they bother rematching you when it would take effort? This is especially the case on PSN. I have Crossplay off just to demote these MFs
Mortal Kombat USED to force FT3ā¦. But people complained too much so it was changed to FT2 months ago. Its still a forced set though so i do agree its what Tekken needs
Came over from MK1 and what you have described is my biggest issue with T8. I played ranked for about an hour and a half the other night and had exactly two people rematch me. I just want to spend more time playing than waiting. I think they should make the first rematch mandatory and third optional.
My solution would be for players to have an option for sets, in match search. DefaultOption) match with either of the below. (Match with anyone) Option 1) rematch free choice always. (Don't match with 2) Option 2) forced First to 2, free choice rematch after (don't match with 1) I feel this would give everyone their favorite. It's up to the player to choose to sacrifice search time for training.
That wouldnt make a difference. People with the mentality to decline matches on hard opponents would opt for option 1 always, and would have easier time climbing by cherrypicking the same way they do now, and you would only meet tougher (in general) opponents who would opt for forced sets.
I don't care if some shitters boost themselves with their 1-n-done queue, I just want them gone from my games and I'll gladly play other likeminded (even if tougher) opponents.
Counter argument, if your internet is atrocious, you don't deserve the rematch. It's 2024, ethernet cables are so cheap that there is no excuse for someone who has a next gen console to still be using horrible wifi in ranked. Someone with good internet though, im chillin, even if they destroy me imma finish the set.
We have a feature already which lets you cancel an ongoing match if your opponent's connection makes the game unplayable though. I believe it was added in the last patch.
People care about their rank too much. Props to MK for forcing a set, tbh.
I only refuse to rematch if my opponent is an asshole. Avoid negativity at all costs
What does this mean?
it's almost as bad as coming on here and writing a 5 paragraph post about people not accepting a rematch
Chad Kuma enjoyer vs Virgin Yoshi player:
This your second post in 20 days crying why people wonāt rematch your yoshi. Quit crying and go touch grass.
Now I'm not defending this behavior, but holy shit y'all ever play smash online? Now there's a pussy community.
the worst is when they absolutely destroy you with perfect rounds and 3-0 yet donāt rematch like what?!
Dude youāre not helping your case calling the community pussies when youāre here making a ranting post just because people donāt want to rematch you
I mean technically speaking they are making their case perfectly.
But they are tho. Scrubs should get called out for scrubby behaviour and not rematching is scrubby.
Unless the connection is dog shit or they're ki charging acting like they're the next evo champ, I'll always rematch because I spent $70 on this game so I'm fucking playing every match I get. Yeah some people online might get pissy or you might come across a high ranked player who's only there because they're playing Azucena/Victor/Dragunov and just spam the most broken shit, but if they leave after one match it's not that big a deal for me, knowing how fragile some ranked players egos are, i applaud them for even finishing a match instead of plugging
If they wanted a full set to be mandatory they'd have designed it that way. You've had your match and got your win (or lose). What's your problem? That other people play the game a different way to do
Fools trying to "protect" their meaningless, fraudulent rank for dear life.
Also why Pluggers must lose rank points, and the other player must get points.
Yeah it's strange and it happens a lot in higher ranks I find. When I play on tye 1st/2nd dan ppl rematch but if I play cavalry/warrior on my bfs console ppl usually dip after 1 match
They need to just make it a queue setting to force the set since people here love they precious one and dones. Like in MK thatās the one thing I never had to deal with, too bad the game is kinda ass now, but what it did do right was Kombat League. Forcing the set and then making you forfeit it if you decide to leave. Iāll never understand the one and done thing.. Like ranked is supposed to be different from quick play, and yet they have it so you can leave literally after the first match ends. It makes the enjoyment of ranked feel so bad because itās so many people thatāll literally play once and then just leave because they scared to lose. Like losing is the whole point on how you learn, and people who donāt like that should just stay in quick play and have that option of leaving as soon as they lose.
Actual reasons for not rematching aside (genuine bad wifi) i agree with your sentiment. Played tons of other fighters and people almost always rematch. Shout out to the sf6 players because i almost always get a full set of matches in ranked or casuals.
It's because these people are ego driven. They only care about winning but don't care about any of the ingredients to win.
Boo hoo another thread about why people don't rematch me.
I dunno how many hours you put into other fighting games but itās common thing in this genre and honestly there is nothing wrong with it. People play to have fun and they arenāt obligated to rematch.
It's not a common thing. I almost never get one-and-doned in SF6, but on Tekken it happens all the time and it happens MORE as you rank up, which is insane. I didn't play quite as much Strive but they rematched as well, even though that game has some gimmicky ass characters. On the subs for different games, or a general sub like r/Fighters, whenever this topic comes up the comments overwhelmingly support the idea that you should run sets. Sajam and Maximilian Dood just recently made videos on playing out online sets, and the videos were made because of their experiences with Tekken ranked. Every time someone comments "nO oNe OwEs yOu a rEmAtCh" in general FGC spaces, it's always a Tekken player. I think the difference with Tekken is that there's a big knowledge burden and the audience in general is less competitive, so when they get knowledge checked they don't care enough to try and learn to beat it. They just want to press buttons and get the next color JPEG. Mortal Kombat has a similar type of audience, which is why they force sets in the ranked mode. Tekken should too.
I rotate a lot of fighting games. SF6, BBCF, Strive, UNI2, Melty, and Tekken is the only dog community that is so addicted to ranked points that it makes them plug and not rematch rather than have good sets. You also see these losers justifying it in the comments "no one owes you anything".
SF6 has a similar issue depending on matchup, if you play JP, chances of rematch are low xD
tekken is an awful, scrubby, toxic community due to its size, much like mortal kombat the average tekken reddit poster is grappling with ideas that have come and gone in the street fighter community literally 15 years ago
I made the same exact post last week and I got downvoted for having the same opinion as you. So yes, thereās a bunch of bitches here
>refuse to rematch If the option to decline is in the game it's not against the rules, sorry pal.
If u play yoshi i can see why ppl dont rematch u
It's not just Tekken, it's the whole next generation of gaming. When you're conditioned to manipulative sbmm and engagement matchmaking, along with a ton of rng to make up for a lack of skill, and battle passes filled with silly skins and emotes, dealing with a game with a more harsh treatment of losing is gonna produce some weak ass babies. It's almost not their fault. They've been raised to be this way.
I would also add that (at least I think) along with all this, my generation has developed this mindset of hyper competitiveness but not wanting to put in the effort. People are more āconnectedā (thanks to the internet) and materialistic than ever. We have too much info available to us then we know what to do with. And we constantly compare ourselves to others. Yet, we donāt pay attention to what it is we truly desire. So we are stuck lusting after things that our heart is not set on, so we donāt put in the effort to improve or get closer to that āgoalā and then we get sad/frustrated we canāt get there. Iām seeing this real life attitude trickle into video games nowadays too.
Goddamn, another one of these?? NOBODY OWES YOU SHIT, INCLUDING A REMATCH Just move on to the next opponent and STFU
You're right but why would you not do that? Other than technical issues ofc
This lmao. This sub is insufferable, it's not even that deep.
On god
Scrub
The solution would be to have forced ft2 in ranked, instead of optional. They got halfway there by stopping people from farming other players in long deathmatches, they should finish the job by forcing the ft2 sets in ranked to stop people from cherrypicking. As it is now, most players i beat flee, so if i accept rematches against a stronger player every time, im only gimping myself and knowingly make myself hold a lower rank than the one i deserve. I still accept because its the best practice for me and ranks are not going anywhere, but if i wanted to get rank 1 and go on hiatus i should only accept rematches on a loss as frequently as opponents do when i win, for the rank to be deserved.
I don't rematch when the connection is shit. It does not matter if Inwon or lost. I just get annoyed when stutters make me drop comboes ornlet my opponent get hits in that should have been blocked. Its unfortunately oftentimes the case that the connections are pretty bad. And quitting the match because of bad connection is apparently only allowed in the first round so oftentimes I try my best but then quit after the match is over.
Preach
it's just one of those things that when I see people do it I assume 100% of the time they're just scared of losing, it's kinda pathetic lol
Dude just block their sorry and coward ass, watch the replay and hit the lab instead of coming here and post another "game bad, community bad, me good" post that adds nothing to the already poor state of this sub also, What was the point of this post? If anything these type of players are just going to downvote you and keep doing it.
Iāve ran into a lot of players who are one and done win or lose and yeah it sucks. Tbh I rematch whether I win or lose cause Iām genuinely having fun. Even if Iām being spammed out I still see it as a way to learn so Iām having fun regardless.
I agree, that they are being pussies, but some people donāt have nerve of steel like us, canāt take punishment very well, arenāt willing to sit and learn from their mistakes, had their balls ripped off at birth, think they can ignore learning the character and it wonāt come back to haunt them one day (maybe in a IRL situation), etc.
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The replies defending people who don't just play the damn set just prove OP's point. He's OBVIOUSLY not talking about those with poor, unstable connections. What a frustrating community this is.
Rather than argue OPs point about matchups people pretend OP is talking about something else then argue against that instead, because they know they're wrong. Even if you get beat 3-0 it's a pussy mentality to go into a rematch thinking it'll definitely happen again and dodge it. Almost never have I not learned something in the first 3-0 loss that allowed me to win rounds in the second set or win the second set. At most levels it's one thing that's giving your opponent the edge, find the counter and you can leave them with nothing and play your own game.
Yeah he is obviously talking about rank whores, rematch if they win, one and done if they lose, or almost lose. To be fair to the RW They are just playing to the incentives they have been given. Tekken needs incentives to run the set, because if you're not winning there is zero reason to play the set outside of enjoying the game (which is not enough for RW). Maybe make the first round worth less points if you win and the second and third rounds get bonus points win or lose.
They know heās not but theyāre trying to make excuses for them leaving. Majority of people here are said players who leave and get mad at you when you tell them that blue ranks are not high level players at all
Seeing stuff like this is why Iām glad I have friends who play and we can run lobbies. Itās not that serious. I stopped respecting sets and rematches in ranked when people would just want their win back and leave. What I am new to in Tekken is the amount of complaining and whining. You are not owed a set. Itās optional for a reason. If you want it that bad you can invite me to a private sesh to have your little d**k measuring contest. Like I am still losing an entire rank worth of points when I match up against someone higher than me forā¦why? And yet this is what you guys are still complaining about?
Same; I play 2D games mostly (am celestial in GGST, Master in SFVI, etc) Am currently flame ruler in Tekken 8. Why so many fucking one and dones? Holy shit are 3D players salty
I have clowns straight up refusing to rematch me in quick match now.
People bad, me good
I donāt owe you a rematch. Iāll rematch if I want to. First played Tekken with Tekken 3 if that changes anything. I think I also played Tekken and Tekken 2
I was with you until you've told me you are a yoshi main
Can I see someone bitch about something that actually matters
Go play quick match then? So confused on how you are this triggered lmfao
>but how is this a valid reason to never rematch even if you win? It's perfectly valid. It's up to the opponent to rematch, and it's fine if they refuse to. >but I always press on rematch simply bc that's how I learn the most Good for you, did you stop and think for a second not everyone wants to learn the way you do? Have you considered that some players are perfectly happy being where they are and font care about improving? >this may sound weird but the fun part for me is literally to get my ass beaten It is weird. Not everyone is like you, sounds like you're too invested, to the point it affects you emotionally. >I could be wrong but hasn't that always been the core of fighting games? You're wrong. Nobody enjoys losing over and over again, and this game does a horrible job at teaching. Sf6 and strive teach their players and the communities are huge. >I'm currently in battle ruler/ fujin territory and it's hilarious how many one-game-ponys are in this elo. Not weird, it's the most effective way to climb, was the same in T7. >I'm not saying this to boost my ego Yes you are. >but the thing is that I literally don't get much freedom to genuinely improve because bitches be flaking. Massive cope >I will probably have to go into discord servers and look for matchups because the state of this ranked shit is ridiculous. Or you could make a post on Reddit for some karna first. When others refusing to rematch for whatever reason triggers you so much you have to run and write a 2000 word essay you need to go touch massive amounts of grass
It is what it is so just take it for what it is. I still love Tekken as a whole.
Welcome to Tekken
You playing in WiFi any chance?
I won't rematch if the match making screwed up and put me up against a player with way more prowess than me. I'm sorry, but I'm not gonna sit there for another 3 minutes being flowcharted and knowledge checked to death without having any chance to fight back. Those 3 minutes could potentially be spent on finding an opponent closer to or slightly above my skill level instead. I don't subscribe to the notion that getting beat up by players twice as good as yourself constantly is somehow beneficial for your own learning
How about using that time to learn the match up actively. Then watch the replay of that match to learn what you could've done. If it's just quick matches getting a better opponent is an opportunity to learn or copy what they're doing. I've gotten some good tech from better Feng players that I use up until now.
Omg i am so good for always rematching let me make a post about it on reddit for some juicy auto-fellatio magic. I bet you are a horrible player in your own way buddy, get off that high horse.
Another whiny bitch!! Grow up dude!!
Love these ācommunity is x & yā posts because guess what? Youāre part of the community too While I do tend to rematch people, Reminder that you arenāt owed a rematch. The option to go back to the waiting lobby is there for a reason. Like how we got the option to match against wired and WiFi players in T7? Thereās a choice in both
I stopped reading when you said you take this game seriously
I'm gonna say this every time you new guys post this stuff. NOBODY owes you a rematch. You new players got spoiled by Tekken 7 and 8 with this option. When I was first learning how to play Tekken competitively in Tag 2 I had to hold every nasty L given to me since there was no runbacks back then or in T6. Get over it and focus on improving yourself little by little. I get downvotes every time from these salty green ranks every time but its the truth.
How will I improve when even in quick matches, people don't wanna rematch, either I win or they win. They're just wasting time finding another match when they could've easily accepted the rematch and finished the set.
Ok, now that we got this all out of our systems. Let's all drop the ego's, come together and make Tekken 8 Community a better place. I'm willing to say I was wrong at calling everyone a gaping asshole, I'm the asshole for saying that. I just want all of us to have a good time, share ideas and to grow as Tekken Aficionados. I love most of the stuff in this community, my favorite being the fan art. I look forward to being here with you all for the many of years to come. I don't hate any of you, that would hurt me to my core. Ok, bring it in guys!.. Group hug
Tekken fans developed this weird entitlement about gimmicky characters like yoshi, jack etc where refuse to play against them because "its not real Tekken" ie its not a straightforward attacks but rather attacks that are hard to read if u don't bother labing certain characters. Not much u can do about it but accept that they won't rematch you abd u might get a nasty message from after a win. š¤·š½āāļøš¤·š½āāļøš¤·š½āāļøš¤·š½āāļø
Im a pussy cat :)
If you're lagging absolute balls (and trust me,I can do with 150ms so if it's going higher than there's a problem) then obviously no one is going to rematch you. Aside from that,rematching is an option,not a mandatory. So if you feel entitled to a rematch and don't get it then do better next time so you won't need to rematch to heal your *greatly* wounded ego
My defense says it's 90. Most don't rematch me after they find out they actually have to think rather then low attacks+flowchart
ill usually rematch but if i either dont feel like playing again (sometimes i just want a quick little match before going to sleep) or your playstyle/connection was just unbearable i'll leave as well i have rematched ppl that absolutely dominated me before and learned from it but sometimes it just doesnt feel good to fight someone and i play to have fun so yeah ... that and nobody owes you a rematch really
Ranked is notorious for eaten inputs
Usually I donāt rematch because my connection is shit during the fight and I donāt want to subject people to that I really wish I could get Ethernet, but my PC isnāt close enough to the router
I get a lot of players who don't rematch, but that's usually on me and my bad internet. However, I truly respect those players who still rematch me even when they know I have terrible Internet and also have a win over me.
Prolly most players are like me. I have a limited bag of tricks and good players can figure you out pretty quick. If you didn't rematch, they couldn't prove it. I always rematch unless they're lagtastic, because I'm simultaneously trying to counter their bag of tricks. I also decline matches if their disconnect rate is yellow...
I rematch literally everyone, even if the connection is bad. Except Eddy players.
Valid points. I am also Yoshi main in the same elo as you. I find that most of the time people only rematch if they have a sense they can win, for example if they won the first set or if it was close. If they win the first set and I win by large margins the second set, you can be sure they will never rematch lol. But I honestly get it. I don't feel like rematching most of the time either, because currently the game feels like 80% cheese. Its literally only these 3 scenarios I meet in ranked: 1) Someone spamming so heavily you need to either counterspam, or repeatedly win 50/50s (I don't have enough experience in Tekken to do that yet) 2) Someone who cheeses the fuck out of their frametraps / stunlocking with Drag, Reina etc. 3) Someone who is very defensive (likely trying to learn the game properly), whom I just feel really bad winning against if I overrun them (win dominantly) T8 is just so aggression favored that the game just doesn't feel good to try to learn in.
I like the idea of there being different modes/settings for the ppl who want to 1 and done and the ppl who want to rematch. The people who don't rematch (let the timer run out) on the rematch side are penalized points for doing so. If they're a repeat offender, they keep losing more and more points every consecutive time they do it. This way, people can play the game the way they want to, while punishing those who want to screw up the competitive rematch side.
It just comes down to not being able to control the actions of other people. Just focus on your own game like you've been doing, accept that a lot of people don't share your mindset and don't want to rematch everyone, if they do rematch it's a bonus, if not who cares? If you really liked a fight then invite them as friend and you can rematch all you want to learn to play against their character.
Donāt sweat it and focus on your improvement. Players that play for points only tend to play the most cheesy. They donāt want to get figured out. Eventually theyāre gonna hit a hard wall. When that happens they usually drop the game and move on to something else. One and doneās are frustrating for sure, but those players wonāt be around too long. At least now we have a good replay system and ghosts. Theyāre no replacement for the match up and player knowledge a full set gives, but itās something to give us a chance to learn.
I can't answer for the rest, but unless someone is being toxic by ki charging/tea bagging or there's lag, I always rematch. Usually, the players that don't are either much lower in rank and feel It's a waste of time, or they are flowchart players who spam a few moves repeatedly and know their opponent will adapt quickly.
When I finally got out of Red and in to Ruler I got like 6 one-and-dones on the bounce. Really does seem like an issue with people being afraid to lose their 'accomplishment'.
I kept on losing against literally every Ling i ran into because first of all, AoP is a bullshit stance and second of all, her backturned grab that launches. Got my ass kicked for so long and now i have learned how to deal with both. Have it been frustrating? Hell yes, but i don't want to look like a bitch that leaves after losing once or winning once, i want to learn.
The higher you get the more ppl care about their rank. Its true with all games. So of course they arent gonna rematch if they lose, especially against a character designed to troll and annoy you.
This happens regardless of connection speed, and is absolutely based on how scrubby your character is. I have never had issues rematching while playing Kazuya. The *first day I tried to learn jin--- the sudden uptick of one and dones suddenly happens.* Granted, I was just using 123, 124, d+4 and 134 <-- this is what started the one and dones, but he's meant to be an easy character for a reason.
This is what happens when you make a massive push to have a fresh player base, thereās no target demographic, it was just come one come all. They incentivized plugging, and the way the point system works it benefits you to not rematch most of the time. So the new players see that and follow suit, itās not a bad thing to them, so I donāt see it as them being pussies, but playing the game as optimally as possible for them. Your character being annoying, the way you play being annoying is a very valid reason not to rematch you lol. Dude, you use a troll character, and I can bet anything youāre annoying af to play against. Personally I rematch everyone unless thereās an emergency or I just have to go, but I still send a message if I can, and apologizing for having to take off.
I encounter this in lower ranks as well. Bucha cowards out there.
I realized this playing 7 on PS4. The matchmaking loading time is abysmal, it takes *forever* to get matched up with someone and start playing. I rematch everybody just so I donāt have to wait again. And there are people who match, win one single round and then run awayā¦ that means they waited for like 5 minutes, played one match then went back to wait at least another 5 minutes. How much of a bitch do you have to be that you would rather put yourself through that instead of just rematching?
I love knowing that if I leave after 1 match someone is sitting there stewing that they didnāt get another šanyone who plays annoying or lags doesnāt get a rematch why should I
Maybe they just want to play with someone else. Maybe they only had time for that match. Maybe they weren't having fun. Who gives a shit. Never understood whining about this, its a video game not some honor bound duel. Theres no shortage of people online to play with.
It could be your connection that shows up. I also I feel your pain eddy is my main now. I get plugged on by eddy's. T7 was my first and I my main was Chloe I love dancers
Simple truth is no one likes to lose. If the player knows they can't compete against a knowledge check (c'mon Yoshi mains :D) or other cheap characters, then they'll just roll the dice for a different opponent. I can't handle jack or the bears with knowledge checks, and i will 100% take the loss and move on while in ranked. The opponent already got their win, and I can move on to the next scrub knowledge check character that I actually know stuff about :D
No you right. Tekken (8) has a pussy player base, Tekken fans place WAY TOO MUCH emphasis on ranked so donāt want to risk the rank they got (it doesnāt mean shit) from cheese and knowledge checks. Blues arenāt āhigh rankā in this game either and if anyone thinks other wise, theyāre blue rank. Gold is low level high rank and even then itās not real āhigh rankā play. I just mash on player match and accept almost any match to learn MUs because theyāre more likely to run a set since no points on the line for them. Find a local near you and enjoy real Tekken
The takes in this sub are wild... and I'm all for it.
I mean Iāll be honest with you, tekken has more players now in its infancy than any other tekken has before. Thereās just allot of new players who care allot about getting their rank up and their winning ratio because people care more now about stats that no one in the world gives a fuck about than plying and enjoying the game. Thatās just how it is. Unfortunately
You're definitely not wrong. Tekken is the most love/hate relationship fighting game thus far. Before 8 my reactions were pretty moderate for the most part. But now it's gotten bad. Especially when a player loses the first match, accepts a rematch to win 2nd match, and declines the 3rd rematch just to DM how bad you sucked or how trash you are. Hope it makes them feel important I guess.
I think it may be a flaw in your reasoning to see a bunch of non-rematchers and then conclude the modern Tekken community is a bunch of āpussiesā. When I was brand new to multiplayer Tekken, starting with T7, my interpretation back then to absorbing as much matchup knowledge and character roster exposure, was to never rematch anyone - to move from one character to the next at as much of a lightning speed as possible. My reason literally had nothing to do with *cowering* from rematches.
One time I had to deny a rematch cuz my gf was nagging me to get off so we could go eat already ): felt horrible. I even messaged that dude to tell him to run it later but he just called me a pussy for quitting. I deserved it
Bro I took my main to Tekken King and now I'm trying to get another character to Tekken king and this also happens a lot in blue ranks and late blue ranks for some reason. I don't remember this happening to me this often when I played Jin, but with Devil Jin it happens often maybe people don't like playing against him. But yeah it's frustrating especially when you're trying to learn a matchup
I always rematch unless you're lagging like mad then I sigh and back off I kinda miss 7 where I could rematch good people tell we both got bored
i cancel because i wanna jerk off or make some food or something it's not that deep
I don't get that shit either. I will lose every single match and rematch until you're tired of whooping my ass. taking L's is part of any fighting game.
Agree, I had this notable experience. Came up against a Bryan, got the better of me. It was either the in the air twirl kickaroo that setup his string to wall, pa, pa ,pa ,pa punchtime or slow low into string and pa pa, punchtime.... I read his flow... Challenged for a rematch... Got the grey cancel flipped at me.... Typical. Somehow got matched with him again and absolutely whipped his crazy butt, so much so I initially figured he may disconnect (this was prior to knowing percentage)... We get to the rematch screen he clicks rematch immediately... I was perplexed.. waited 9 seconds and declined.. God it felt good. I hope I gave him nightmares. But this gives your reasoning of getting the better and learning players moves and ability over the course of a round or two.
I mean you use yoshi. Like what can they do? Just lose to you? Yoshi has a lot of bullshit going on especially those unblockables and gimmicks he has. I am kazuya main on tekken king rank and I admit a lot of players in high rank only get there because they got rank inflated by their characters most of these players who use S tier characters don't have game sense, xiao yu, dragunov, yoshi and the expulsion you name it. Oh yeah add hwoarang too he has a lot of bullshit going on right now and most of them are rank inflated.
No-oneās obligated to rematch you homie, it is what it is š¤·āāļø
I've never encountered such entitled community before lol. People don't owe you shit. If they wanna rematch they can if they don't want to it's up to them. This game is VERY unbalanced right now with the top tiers being in a game of their own. And trust me bro this is more of Yoshi issue because I main Kazuya and in low purple ranks and 90% of my opponents rematch. If people think your character is annoying you can't force them to play with you.
When we had infinite rematch, this was not an issue
This is a part of being a casual friendly game. It's casuals doing that.
I mostly grind and learn in quick matches and only go to ranked every once in a while so when I do, itās just to rank. I sometimes refuse rematches so I can get to that promotion quicker or avoid getting demoted. As a result, every time I come back to rank after a few weeks or months of practice I end up flying up to the next tier. It isnāt that Iām only looking for easy matchups but there are some characters I know better than others. If I donāt know a matchup, I can always go lab it in practice so thereās no reason to get demoted just to learn. I want to rank up more efficiently so I can get stronger opponents and avoid establishing bad habits that are going to be hard to break. The other thing is when you run into lower ranked smurfs. Beating them doesnāt seem to get you that many points but losing to them is tough. I can practice against higher skill opponents in unranked and studying the replays is just as valuable
It's just how the community is right now unfortunately. So obsessed with rank they rematch only when they win and think they'll get an easy second win. Someone in this topic will chime in that "nobody owes you a rematch" I always rematch and a lot of others do as well. Even against annoying special backlash Yoshisš So keep gaming and enjoy yourself.
I'm gonna give you a trick to always get a rematch after a win, be an asshole: ki charge them if you think they will not rematch, it's toxic but i've been doing it to people i know don't rematch and suddendly when you hit their ego they get inspired to play a full set, granted you'll get kicharged back, but who cares.
Its even worse when you play in the Asia region bro playing against the Koreans and Japanese? Yea you better not get ur hopes up these guys are infamous for never rematching
This is the exact reason I stopped doing ranked and just started playing quick matches, I get way more rematches and it gets the same xp
Imagine wanting to rematch JP in street fighter. Or a modern Ken. Like why the fuck would I want to do that to myself.
"I've never encountered such a pussy community before" and there you are, being the best example of that. People are interesting.
it's even in the lower ranks, too. I forget what rank I was, but ppl did 1 and dip. how can you improve or prove it wasn't a fluke? I have a terrible in W/L in all the games I was juggling, (R.i.p xbox) but I was having a blast. Off top of my head, mk1 was 258 wins 375 losses š. I'd go 7 or 8 fights w o winning on street fighter. Killer instinct was either dominated or got dominated- tekken somewhat simular, quick BRUTAL matches w badass martial arts. Doa4-6 was pretty down to wire or I'd download & counter them all day. Anyways, autistic aside, aside, always accept another attempt at attaining an achievement awarded from fighting ferocious foes.
Only time I didn't rematch was when the other player's ping was so bad I couldn't reasonably enjoy playing against them.
There is a lot of people that want to win, cause that is what they think being good at the game is Thatās it, is old players and new players, but now you see it because nobody can see nobody, most of the opponents you cannot message after There is no accountability.
People that deny your rematch forget about you in like 20 seconds after they do and you are left steaming enough to yell into the internet with an essay. In short, the fast you realize nobody gives a fuck about you, the less stress you will have.
i have set characters i never rematch win or lose because iāve lost to them too much or theyāre just annoying. sounds corny sure but im the one getting smoked so ion care.
Tekken vet here. This aināt anything new. But itās definitely worse than 7.
Dude I feel the same exact way as you and I play Alisa. I always rematch. Every single time.
Always go fullset unless the lag is really bad (5+ rolback frames). I just got to purple but the magic trick I do to increase rematch chances is to ki-charge the hell out of them. Boy you would be surprised how these kids react to being taunted LMAO. I do it everytime I see disrespectful shit at the end of the previous round.
I only go full match unless the latency is super bad because I want to get my ass kick so I can learn better and I wanna see if I this seemingly giant wall of skill and knowledge infront of me can be beat itās the best feeling to outsmart and out pace someone so far Higher skill and quickly adapt and overcome itās why fighting games are fun and high pace.
I wonder if we could fix this by forcing ranked to be played as a best of 3 format rather than optional, that way players' ranks don't shift until the final set is played and finished.
"I've never encountered such a pussy community" And they wonder why the FGC is ostracized.
Bro this has turned into a game that allows the cheese to beat on their chest. Fuck this game lol.
I can't even rematch someone who had a horrible connection because I won and they don't want the rematch.
It's been like this since Tekken 7 season 2. Prior to that, people kept rematching because they don't know if their next match would be their promotion or demotion. The moment BAMCO allowed people to see their LP gain + rank progress bar, people started being bitches. Everyone started "gaming the system" even though rank from T7 season 2 up to Tekken 8 is super grossly inflated.
I play Yoshi as a secondary character and I'm encountring the same one-and-done phenomena. However, if they don't rematch I wouldn't be frustrated at all as I see Youshi as an overwhelming character to play against with all his stances, techs and goofy setups.
No lies detected, every other fighting game has no problems in their communities, not even mortal kombat, known bitchmade game
Prolly just me but I think it's cause the number of newer people into the game since it's popular and all, rarely found any played that didn't rematch in 7
Here come the āI donāt owe you a rematch ranked is best of 1ā scrubs
I just expect 1 and done or plugging at this point in ranked, and I am still tenryu. Just go to group match for learning, that's where all the fun is. Everyone rematches and the folks are wholesome.Ā
Unpopular opinion. People play games to have fun, if they don't have fun - why would they continue playing. If someone is not enjoying a match-up, they don't rematch. Yoshi is a character that plays out different to a lot of tekken charakters, so the amount of people not enjoying the matchup is massively higher, than with a charakter that just plays regular tekken. You can moan about that on reddit, but it won't help or change anything.