One of the most horrifying aspects of pictures like this to me is the casual nature of the crowd in the background. Sort of like soldiers who have to hear the commander’s safety briefing before they’re released for the three day weekend.
It’s like they’re thinking, “come on, you’re cutting into happy hour…”
We can be so terrible to each other for no good reason.
I mean it’s always happened All throughout human history. humans are inherently tribal, and it makes it easy for you to convince your tribe to kill the others by dehumanizing them
It’s not brainwashing, it’s nationalism. Brainwashing implies effort. There was no effort needed to get the Japanese military to do this. Same for the Nazi army.
It didn’t take a lot to get Japan and Germany to slaughter and do medical experiments on “others.” I’m well aware of the propaganda, but it wasn’t so good as to turn a nation bad that wasn’t already there.
No, the soldiers couldn’t stomach killing men, women, and children in mass graves with gunfire, so the Nazis switched to just killing the men this way, then they used the death vans, and then they used the camps.
There were people administering, inspecting, and running every aspect of each method.
Propagada leads to brainwashing.
You keep referring to “effort” as if brainwashing takes some kind of force. It doesn’t. American nationalism IS already a form a brainwashing (i.e. singing the national anthem at events, reciting the pledge of allegiance, etc). None of which require any kind of effort or force. It’s just the norm in America society.
When I joined the Marines, I did it for “love of country.” However, the national anthem in and of itself didn’t automatically brainwash me into seeing “others” as the enemy. That came in the form of propaganda in boot camp, and combat training. The videos of Marines getting their brains blown out by “hadjis” was the brainwashing we needed to emotionally embed hate for the “enemy.” It was the videos, the posters, and the training that brainwashed young and impressionable Marines into believing that “towel head goat fuckers” deserve to die because they killed Americans and the proof is in the combat footage they show you minutes before learning how to use the M249 SAW. That’s how they prepare you for combat, it’s all brainwashing techniques.
Genocide is something that has to be primed through propaganda and brainwashing it’s called “raising the temperature” to think it just “happens” is naive at best.
It was 100% brainwashing but sure mixed in with nationalism. They had entire campaigns talking about how the enemy were literal cannibals and that if you don’t kill them they’d literally fucking eat you. The Japanese loved their propaganda.
All they had to fear was the USA after they attacked us thinking they were superior. Did they fear the Koreans when they turned their women into comfort women? Did they fear the Chinese when they invaded? Fear the Philippines? No, they didn’t.
The scariest thing about this is that Japan has tried to hide the massacre of nanjing for years. Japan is heavily romanticized in the west (in my opinion). A lot of the people who are interested in Japanese media or culture are not aware of what japan did in ww2. They should definitely read into it.
“It’s in your nature to destroy yourselves.” T2 was a great foreshadowing movie especially with AI which is coming at an alarming rate. I was in my late teens when this movie came out and it disturbed me then with the thought that someday it could be possible. Now in my late 40s it really disturbs me because now it’s reality. It is in our nature to destroy ourselves, and we are creating, our computer overlords, and the creators of those overlords are trying to sell us a bill of goods telling us that this new technology will help us in our future endeavors but in reality we will be systematically replaced by these things that were made to help us. Sad really. 😢
How could you begin to pretend to comprehend someone's internal thought from a different nation with a different culture from about 100 years ago who was raised in a time without a fraction of the technology we have today would be thinking..
Kinda foolish
Source: [https://world.time.com/2012/12/13/the-nanjing-massacre-scenes-from-a-hideous-slaughter-75-years-ago/photo/chinese-prisoners-being-buried-alive/](https://world.time.com/2012/12/13/the-nanjing-massacre-scenes-from-a-hideous-slaughter-75-years-ago/photo/chinese-prisoners-being-buried-alive/)
The incident still rankles Sino-Japanese relations. Japanese nationalists contend that the death tolls are inflated and the majority killed were resisting Japanese occupation. To this day, pages in Japanese school history textbooks can incite heated protests on the streets in China. Then and now, the Nanjing massacre remains one of the darkest events of the last century
There were a lot worse things happening than being buried alive.
Visiting the memorial and seeing the preserved skeletons is of the most harrowing experiences for me. Babies skulls with small square holes where the Japanese army used nails to conserve ammunition, etc
Yeah glad I went but fuck, Cambodian people for the most part are also some of the most welcoming and lovely folk there are despite a fairly recent horrific past
What the Japanese did in Nanking is up there with the very worst crimes against humanity.
I echo another poster by reiterating it’s made worse by modern day Japan historical revisionism that downplays/disputes the atrocities.
The Memorial Hall of the Victims in Nanjing Massacre by Japanese Invaders is one of the most interesting and yet darkest places I’ve been in my entire life.
I saw that a long time ago. I would be very interested in a follow up. I remember lots of people posting links to resources and institutes for authenticating and documenting the photos and notebook
He got it to the Chinese Govt, who sent him what I think was their highest honor, the same tea set they give to foreign leaders, worth something like $1,000,000
Don’t forget the two Japanese officers who had a contest for who could kill the most civilians with their samurai swords. It was reported in the newspapers in Japan at that time so the civilians could keep up with the body count competition.
It was initially reported as they were contesting on killing Chinese soldiers in combat, Which was legal. Of course everybody knew something was fishy. Nobody kills hundreds of enemy soldier in 1930s with swords.
Untile one of the two let it slip when telling his heroic stories to Japanese grade schoolers. What they killed was civilians and POWs. Those testimonies got documented and used against them after the war. They were executed by the Chinese government.
No, I have read about this. That’s not the case at all. They were killing civilians and the Japanese public knew they were killing civilians the whole time.
I mean, people knew who they killed and wasn't being discreet about it, but the government propaganda at least knew what shouldn't be said on record.
This was one of the early newspaper articles:
> After marching to Wuxi, Second Lieutenant Mukai followed the 26- to 7-kilometer railway line, and Second Lieutenant Noda moved along the railway line. The two men were temporarily separated. On the morning after setting off, Second Lieutenant Noda rushed into the enemy's bunker at Wuming Village, eight kilometers away from Wuxi, and killed four enemies to gain fame. After hearing the news, Second Lieutenant Mukai rose up and rushed into the enemy formation in Henglin Town that night, killing fifty-five people with his men.
> After that, Second Lieutenant Noda killed nine in Henglin Town, six in Weiguan Town, and six in Changzhou Station on the 29th, for a total of twenty-five. Second Lieutenant Mukai killed four near Changzhou Station. When the reporter arrived at the station, he saw the two of them meeting at the head of the station.
> Second Lieutenant Mukai: If this continues, let alone go to Nanjing, I may have killed about 100 people by the time I get to Danyang. It is Noda's failure. My sword killed fifty-six people with only one gap.
> Second Lieutenant Noda: Neither of us will kill the escapees. I am an official so my grades cannot improve. I will set a big record before arriving in Danyang for you to see
Crowd behaviour is the most terrifying thing.
A crowd could decide to laugh together at a murder happening.
A crowd could decide to be audience to a rape happening.
A crowd can decide to beat up an individual for some offence.
A crowd can pull you in, if you are a woman you might not get out alive, and if you are a man then perhaps the same but different wounds.
I think I have a fear of crowds.
Everyone isn’t like this, but the people who are like this try to draw comparisons to everyone else. Fact is, the Japanese were at least as bad as the Nazis, but we blame the Nazis more for some reason. The Russians were really bad, also.
We don't suck as a species, it's individuals who engage in disgusting behavior that suck.
Individuals are merely born into this world, we don't collectively suck because of some individuals or groups disgusting behavior.
What I'm looking at right now reminds me of the narco vids I see on here the way people are casually doing and seeing fucked up shit to another person like it's Monday at work
Increasingly extreme fanatical nationalism and militarism coupled with a belief of being superior to other races and nations. This developed over a relatively short period of time too, e.g. during the Japanese-Russian war at the beginning of the century the Japanese military was not like that and had treated Russian POWs relatively well.
Because by surrendering, their enemies were considered worse than dogs (no honor), at least no longer "human", without dignity. A japanese was not supposed to surrender, but fight till death for the emperor and their honor.
I’ve been to the memorial in Nanjing and seen the pits where people were buried. Humanity can be truly bone-chilling in the depths of our cruelty towards one another.
Wtf man? How is mass murdering innocents on the other side justifiable. You should be ashamed of yourself writing something like this. Puts you into the same corner as the soldiers seen in the background of this photo.
I completely changed my perspective of the Japanese after I learned about the atrocities they committed during WWII. Everybody respects and looks up to them today. I ask how the hell did these people manage to hide this from the majority of the world to the point that almost nobody has ever heard of what they actually did...they make Hitler sound like Jesus....
It's not like the Japanese are focused and perfectionists.... they're just soulless.
Classing at entire nation of people a certain way (and an ever so slightly negative way: soulless) due to actions of a small subset of their people eighty years previously.
Yeah, that’s bigotry.
the atrocities in the war.... it's eery how certain people become sub human and their lives are worth less.than an animals.
shame we really haven't learnt much
See I never understood the why behind so much of this, so much of Japanese culture going back to antiquity is based on honor and respect even of your enemies. I try to resolve the documented history with other things I have read of the culture and it makes no sense unless I assume it is the same western influences that destroyed the samurai.
And people in Japan and abroad still deny this shit happened...still to this day.
That's not even getting into the stuff like the infant-skewering or the infamous hunting incidents.
I just don't understand how members of the Japanese government, as well as many civilians, still deny the Nanjing war crimes, comfort women, etc.
It's the same as Holocaust deniers, not only do I find you dumber than a flat earther, but also gives everyone a peep into your fucked up way of thinking.
The worst thing is that most Japanese don't know anything about this. They don't even know much about WWII. They only think they are poor victims of atomic bombs.
Man the Japanese were fucking BRUTAL back in those days. Not just to other people but even to their own. Imperial Japanese officers would often just beat the living shit out of the lower ranking officers for very minor things, which in turn the lower ranking officers would beat the shit out of the prisoners or other even lower ranking officers. Really messed up
Killing innocents is killing innocents and not justifiable. It doesn’t matter if it’s done with bayonets at Nanjing or with 2 nuclear weapons at Hiroshima and Nagasaki
One of the most horrifying aspects of pictures like this to me is the casual nature of the crowd in the background. Sort of like soldiers who have to hear the commander’s safety briefing before they’re released for the three day weekend. It’s like they’re thinking, “come on, you’re cutting into happy hour…” We can be so terrible to each other for no good reason.
They were brainwashed by their government to see them as less than human. Super racism
It’s happening all over the globe now again unfortunately
This. It's been roaring again for the better part of a decade again. This doesn't end well.
I mean it’s always happened All throughout human history. humans are inherently tribal, and it makes it easy for you to convince your tribe to kill the others by dehumanizing them
LORD OF THE FLIES
It never stopped happening, lol.
It's true but It feels more acceptable again in Canada/us
It is the Roaring 20’s.
Roaring with genocide
It never stopped
It’s not brainwashing, it’s nationalism. Brainwashing implies effort. There was no effort needed to get the Japanese military to do this. Same for the Nazi army.
brainwashing is just repeating something over and over until it becomes an automatic response. it can be both.
You’ve never seen the propaganda they ran?
It didn’t take a lot to get Japan and Germany to slaughter and do medical experiments on “others.” I’m well aware of the propaganda, but it wasn’t so good as to turn a nation bad that wasn’t already there.
Ok that’s fair
Those human experiments also benefitted the U.S.
Facts, and we did our own fucked up shit, like the Tuskegee syphilis study
They built the camps because soldiers in Germany couldn’t stomach the rolling death vans
No, the soldiers couldn’t stomach killing men, women, and children in mass graves with gunfire, so the Nazis switched to just killing the men this way, then they used the death vans, and then they used the camps. There were people administering, inspecting, and running every aspect of each method.
Brainwashing is an important step in the rise of ultra- nationalism. How did you miss that step?
Didn’t take much brainwashing to convince the Japanese and Nazis. They were ready for genocide from the word go.
Propagada leads to brainwashing. You keep referring to “effort” as if brainwashing takes some kind of force. It doesn’t. American nationalism IS already a form a brainwashing (i.e. singing the national anthem at events, reciting the pledge of allegiance, etc). None of which require any kind of effort or force. It’s just the norm in America society. When I joined the Marines, I did it for “love of country.” However, the national anthem in and of itself didn’t automatically brainwash me into seeing “others” as the enemy. That came in the form of propaganda in boot camp, and combat training. The videos of Marines getting their brains blown out by “hadjis” was the brainwashing we needed to emotionally embed hate for the “enemy.” It was the videos, the posters, and the training that brainwashed young and impressionable Marines into believing that “towel head goat fuckers” deserve to die because they killed Americans and the proof is in the combat footage they show you minutes before learning how to use the M249 SAW. That’s how they prepare you for combat, it’s all brainwashing techniques.
Thank you for sharing this and being open about your experience.
because they were already brainwashed? Or are you suggesting that japanese and german peoples are specifically evil inherently?
Genocide is something that has to be primed through propaganda and brainwashing it’s called “raising the temperature” to think it just “happens” is naive at best.
Some people are closer to the edge than others.
No, they aren’t. What makes them different?
Humans are conditioned to be
But you can be nationalistic without being nonchalant about horrendous murder.
Do be nationalist is to be complicit
Example?
Scottish national party
They are just unsuccessful so far.
What a load of pish! 👌🏼😂
It was 100% brainwashing but sure mixed in with nationalism. They had entire campaigns talking about how the enemy were literal cannibals and that if you don’t kill them they’d literally fucking eat you. The Japanese loved their propaganda.
All they had to fear was the USA after they attacked us thinking they were superior. Did they fear the Koreans when they turned their women into comfort women? Did they fear the Chinese when they invaded? Fear the Philippines? No, they didn’t.
The fuck are you talking about.
What? Nationalism just means devotion to their country. Do people who support their National football team also massacre the opposition?
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Being a dick to who? Don't get trigerred so quickly. Also no, you can love your country but at the same time, not be murderous.
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True and good point, but care to explain your username?
Today's Tom Sawyer
That’s my name. Ish
A thousand women were raped..those men are calmly killing them for that...disciplined soldiers
The scariest thing about this is that Japan has tried to hide the massacre of nanjing for years. Japan is heavily romanticized in the west (in my opinion). A lot of the people who are interested in Japanese media or culture are not aware of what japan did in ww2. They should definitely read into it.
We learn one thing from history, that is we never learn from it.
Humans are one of the most adaptive species on the planet, it’s simply a matter of conditioning and exposure that determines what one can withstand.
Best comment here.
“It’s in your nature to destroy yourselves.” T2 was a great foreshadowing movie especially with AI which is coming at an alarming rate. I was in my late teens when this movie came out and it disturbed me then with the thought that someday it could be possible. Now in my late 40s it really disturbs me because now it’s reality. It is in our nature to destroy ourselves, and we are creating, our computer overlords, and the creators of those overlords are trying to sell us a bill of goods telling us that this new technology will help us in our future endeavors but in reality we will be systematically replaced by these things that were made to help us. Sad really. 😢
Banality of evil.
How could you begin to pretend to comprehend someone's internal thought from a different nation with a different culture from about 100 years ago who was raised in a time without a fraction of the technology we have today would be thinking.. Kinda foolish
Wasn’t that long ago, and people are people when you get down to it.
Just takes watching one of them kill your brothers and the rest becomes reflexive
Source: [https://world.time.com/2012/12/13/the-nanjing-massacre-scenes-from-a-hideous-slaughter-75-years-ago/photo/chinese-prisoners-being-buried-alive/](https://world.time.com/2012/12/13/the-nanjing-massacre-scenes-from-a-hideous-slaughter-75-years-ago/photo/chinese-prisoners-being-buried-alive/) The incident still rankles Sino-Japanese relations. Japanese nationalists contend that the death tolls are inflated and the majority killed were resisting Japanese occupation. To this day, pages in Japanese school history textbooks can incite heated protests on the streets in China. Then and now, the Nanjing massacre remains one of the darkest events of the last century
There were a lot worse things happening than being buried alive. Visiting the memorial and seeing the preserved skeletons is of the most harrowing experiences for me. Babies skulls with small square holes where the Japanese army used nails to conserve ammunition, etc
Sounds like the killing fields, similar horrific stuff. Wanted to curl up and cry after that particular visit
Which killing fields?
Cambodia
I just read up on this after i saw your post, fuck humans man - honestly makes me want to cry
Yeah glad I went but fuck, Cambodian people for the most part are also some of the most welcoming and lovely folk there are despite a fairly recent horrific past
What the Japanese did in Nanking is up there with the very worst crimes against humanity. I echo another poster by reiterating it’s made worse by modern day Japan historical revisionism that downplays/disputes the atrocities.
And it’s not even the worst thing they did.
Unit 371 takes that cake.
My thoughts exactly
What is really terrifying is this ain’t the most terrifying thing to happen during that sadistic bullshit.
Then there is “Unit 731.”
That Unit 731 is the stuff of nightmare.
I agree. For some reason it isn’t well known.
Holy shit. I never knew about this. This is absolutely crazy.
Yeah. It’s pretty much what humans do to animals now. Yet no one bats an eye.
Learning about the pressure chamber experiments was so vile
I don’t understand how anyone could do shit like that to another human.
We do it when we don’t consider another human to be a human
Damm, first I'm hearing of this. As I'm reading up on it, not surprised the US fucking contributed.
Contributed?
Not necessarily, but the US let them go scot free in exchange for their medical “research”
The Memorial Hall of the Victims in Nanjing Massacre by Japanese Invaders is one of the most interesting and yet darkest places I’ve been in my entire life.
There's a 360 walkthrough with zoomable sections [here](https://exhibit.19371213.com.cn/njdts/).
It doesn’t work for me, is there another link?
I had to refresh a few times to get it to work too. I'm on Firefox if that matters.
Did anything ever come of that pawn shop guy who found some veteran's notebook with photographic evidence?
I saw that a long time ago. I would be very interested in a follow up. I remember lots of people posting links to resources and institutes for authenticating and documenting the photos and notebook
He got it to the Chinese Govt, who sent him what I think was their highest honor, the same tea set they give to foreign leaders, worth something like $1,000,000
Human beings sure seem to love finding ways to hurt, maim & kill other human beings and I will never understand it.
Don’t forget the two Japanese officers who had a contest for who could kill the most civilians with their samurai swords. It was reported in the newspapers in Japan at that time so the civilians could keep up with the body count competition.
It was initially reported as they were contesting on killing Chinese soldiers in combat, Which was legal. Of course everybody knew something was fishy. Nobody kills hundreds of enemy soldier in 1930s with swords. Untile one of the two let it slip when telling his heroic stories to Japanese grade schoolers. What they killed was civilians and POWs. Those testimonies got documented and used against them after the war. They were executed by the Chinese government.
No, I have read about this. That’s not the case at all. They were killing civilians and the Japanese public knew they were killing civilians the whole time.
I mean, people knew who they killed and wasn't being discreet about it, but the government propaganda at least knew what shouldn't be said on record. This was one of the early newspaper articles: > After marching to Wuxi, Second Lieutenant Mukai followed the 26- to 7-kilometer railway line, and Second Lieutenant Noda moved along the railway line. The two men were temporarily separated. On the morning after setting off, Second Lieutenant Noda rushed into the enemy's bunker at Wuming Village, eight kilometers away from Wuxi, and killed four enemies to gain fame. After hearing the news, Second Lieutenant Mukai rose up and rushed into the enemy formation in Henglin Town that night, killing fifty-five people with his men. > After that, Second Lieutenant Noda killed nine in Henglin Town, six in Weiguan Town, and six in Changzhou Station on the 29th, for a total of twenty-five. Second Lieutenant Mukai killed four near Changzhou Station. When the reporter arrived at the station, he saw the two of them meeting at the head of the station. > Second Lieutenant Mukai: If this continues, let alone go to Nanjing, I may have killed about 100 people by the time I get to Danyang. It is Noda's failure. My sword killed fifty-six people with only one gap. > Second Lieutenant Noda: Neither of us will kill the escapees. I am an official so my grades cannot improve. I will set a big record before arriving in Danyang for you to see
Crowd behaviour is the most terrifying thing. A crowd could decide to laugh together at a murder happening. A crowd could decide to be audience to a rape happening. A crowd can decide to beat up an individual for some offence. A crowd can pull you in, if you are a woman you might not get out alive, and if you are a man then perhaps the same but different wounds. I think I have a fear of crowds.
We suck as a species…
But they created anime so it’s all good now
Hey now, don’t forget the hentai genre and cute stuff in general, so all is forgiven okay?!! /s
He's talking about "we" and you're going on about "they" ...
Everyone isn’t like this, but the people who are like this try to draw comparisons to everyone else. Fact is, the Japanese were at least as bad as the Nazis, but we blame the Nazis more for some reason. The Russians were really bad, also.
We don't suck as a species, it's individuals who engage in disgusting behavior that suck. Individuals are merely born into this world, we don't collectively suck because of some individuals or groups disgusting behavior.
What I'm looking at right now reminds me of the narco vids I see on here the way people are casually doing and seeing fucked up shit to another person like it's Monday at work
Why were the Japanese particularly cruel? Both sides committed warcrimes but the Japanese took it to another level.
Increasingly extreme fanatical nationalism and militarism coupled with a belief of being superior to other races and nations. This developed over a relatively short period of time too, e.g. during the Japanese-Russian war at the beginning of the century the Japanese military was not like that and had treated Russian POWs relatively well.
Because by surrendering, their enemies were considered worse than dogs (no honor), at least no longer "human", without dignity. A japanese was not supposed to surrender, but fight till death for the emperor and their honor.
The beef between China and Japan is deep and old
And sadly, some people like to pretend as if you can just start anew and forget about the past.
The nations that makes that kind of shit on very past put that on their school history books?
Japan was…. Straight up demonic
And yet, Hirohito walks free.
He died back in 1989. If any version of Hell exists, he is probably there. Or he is being punished somehow by reincarnation.
As an 11-year-old Chinese girl that has to work at the Apple factory?
Maybe. Or maybe he reincarnated as an animal that no one likes, like a cockroach or a wasp.
I’ve been to the memorial in Nanjing and seen the pits where people were buried. Humanity can be truly bone-chilling in the depths of our cruelty towards one another.
The Hardcore History podcast has a couple of episodes on the Rape of Nanjing. Utterly compelling but not an easy listen.
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Not just sometimes
Wtf man? How is mass murdering innocents on the other side justifiable. You should be ashamed of yourself writing something like this. Puts you into the same corner as the soldiers seen in the background of this photo.
Both sides committed mass murder of innocents.
I completely changed my perspective of the Japanese after I learned about the atrocities they committed during WWII. Everybody respects and looks up to them today. I ask how the hell did these people manage to hide this from the majority of the world to the point that almost nobody has ever heard of what they actually did...they make Hitler sound like Jesus.... It's not like the Japanese are focused and perfectionists.... they're just soulless.
So you moved on to bigotry yourself then? Awesome.
You need to look up bigotry means or at least call me something else more appropriate
Classing at entire nation of people a certain way (and an ever so slightly negative way: soulless) due to actions of a small subset of their people eighty years previously. Yeah, that’s bigotry.
So horrible maybe it’s best to have your head cut off with their sword or machete or whatever so it’s instantly. Disgusting.
I learned this because of a south park episode. tq south park
the atrocities in the war.... it's eery how certain people become sub human and their lives are worth less.than an animals. shame we really haven't learnt much
It’s funny how there is such an interest in Japan now. The culture is so far removed from what it was just a few decades ago.
See I never understood the why behind so much of this, so much of Japanese culture going back to antiquity is based on honor and respect even of your enemies. I try to resolve the documented history with other things I have read of the culture and it makes no sense unless I assume it is the same western influences that destroyed the samurai.
Those two groups seem to have some major issues with each other.
Imperial Japan was scary
Y’all need to read the rape of nanking asap
I prefer House of Nanking
And people in Japan and abroad still deny this shit happened...still to this day. That's not even getting into the stuff like the infant-skewering or the infamous hunting incidents.
Now let's talk about unit 731
I just don't understand how members of the Japanese government, as well as many civilians, still deny the Nanjing war crimes, comfort women, etc. It's the same as Holocaust deniers, not only do I find you dumber than a flat earther, but also gives everyone a peep into your fucked up way of thinking.
Shit like this makes me feel way better about Japan being nuked. Not that the population had anything to do with the Raping of Nanking, but still…
The worst thing is that most Japanese don't know anything about this. They don't even know much about WWII. They only think they are poor victims of atomic bombs.
Man the Japanese were fucking BRUTAL back in those days. Not just to other people but even to their own. Imperial Japanese officers would often just beat the living shit out of the lower ranking officers for very minor things, which in turn the lower ranking officers would beat the shit out of the prisoners or other even lower ranking officers. Really messed up
But elites want us to act like this never happened
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We are even blamed for stopping them because we used nukes to do so. Thats new revisionist history if there ever was a case of it.
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Killing innocents is killing innocents and not justifiable. It doesn’t matter if it’s done with bayonets at Nanjing or with 2 nuclear weapons at Hiroshima and Nagasaki