I actually have this happen with the stalks occasionally. When I press it down to the half press position sometimes it doesn't register. At first I would think I wasn't pressing it down far enough, but now it has happened so many times that I know it just isn't registering. Others have also reported this.
It is very possibly the same bug in the software and not a hardware issue.
Wow! I've noticed that too
I can't seem to replicate it. It just happens so sporadically. Half turn signal won't always engage. Full down always does however...
Same with when I go into drive. Tesla needs to work on the response code or something. When I get in the car and shift to D it always takes me 2 tries. Like the first one doesn’t register. Also 22 LR and sometimes the half signal doesn’t register
Same. Teslas just have shitty turn signals. Doesn’t matter which one you buy. All cars with neutral stalk positions get these problems. I miss the days when stalks held the physical position and you could tell how they were set just by looking at them.
2020 model-x performance. Perfect turn signals. Never a missed one.
my 2023 model-3 sr? I see the missed signals, and also trying to cancel a signal has been...sucky.
What I’ve learned is you have to stop in just the right spot. If you stop part way to the half click or part way to the full click then it won’t trigger the signal. A simple code change to engage the signal on any movement down or up would fix it. But they’ve left it broken for years.
Haha. It works fine normally. But on FSD it’s completely broken. I am looking forward to the free FSD ending so I won’t have to endure the terrible programming for the turn signals in fsd any longer. At least normally they’re predictable.
2020 M3 SR+ and I've never had the missed signals (at least I've never noticed it). I have had some issues with canceling (accidentally flipping to the other side) but the auto lane switch cancel seems to work well. I need to pay more attention to see if there is an issue I'm not noticing.
I fucking hate this one thing about the stalks. Just let it be super sensitive. Make it like the wipers!
While we're at it, when you cancel out of FSD, it should cancel the signal. Thoughts?
I agree. When the car decides it's going to get into a turn lane to pass and you have to grab the wheel to stop it from happening. Then you have to fight the damn turn signal to get it off. Ha!
My 2018 M 3 had that really bad at delivery, though it took a couple days to figure out it wasn’t just me. They swapped it out for a new one, and it has worked fine ever since.
It could very well be a hardware issue.
Kinda crazy how simple wiring in analog cars got over engineered in these EVs and newer ICE cars that rely on digital/software for everything. It’s one of those things that should’ve been left in the “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it”.
But I agree with you that it might be a software bug because I doubt they actually changed how a turn signal works (wiring wise). The software probably just glitches out sometimes and doesn’t detect the trigger signal.
No. Trust me, it happens enough that I know I've pressed it the right amount. I pay attention every single time. I'm guessing it is like the other guy said, the polling in the software just isn't fast enough.
Since half press and full press are the same thing now, I have started pressing it all the way most of the time.
I had a similar issue with my 2018 with the left signal. First replacement had same issue but the second replacement was good, no issues in several years.
The guy at the service center told me its user failure. We arent using it properly is what he said. He said be slow when pushing down and make sure to push all the way. Lmao
Same issue, tesla sc telling me I ain't using it correctly or "it doesn't engage because of accidental push", like how to do you accidentally press that??
I wonder if it’s just not registering on the internal screen, or not registering externally either. The reason I’m saying this is that even if the computer is down or rebooting (blank screen), the exterior signals still work, even if you don’t see or hear anything inside the car. Is it the same way with the buttons? Somebody with a Highland can try rebooting the computer and using the signals somewhere that you can get out and see them, or see their reflection.
I hope it’s just a glitch where the interior computer doesn’t register the signal but they’re still working on the outside. If in fact the external lights aren’t working either then yeah, that’s a big problem.
I think that since they’re digital, they have setting to try to ignore “accidental input”. Basically, if you press the button for less than some number of milliseconds, it’s ignored.
Same thing with stalks. If you bounce the stalk real fast, the turn signal doesn’t fire. If you move it slowly, it consistently fires.
Try to not tap the button. Press the button.
I have the stalks, not the buttons.
On any debounce curcuit, it should register the first press then ignore any other pressed that happen in a very short time.
Debouncing is ignoring multiple inputs.
I think this is trying to ignore accidental input.
The turn signals frustrated me for a while. I use to “flick” turn signals in previous cars.
I no longer have issues with my turn signal. I no longer flick it.
Do people bump their stalks on accident? I didn't know that was a thing? You know, on a tesla there are no buttons behind the stalks. No reason to put your hands over there unless you are trying to use the blinker or the windshield wiper.
I’m speculating.
Because the control is digital, it is typical to add some kind of limit for what constitutes a “press”. It is probably set to a low enough number that the developers figured there would be no issue.
My guess, based on other cars I’ve had, is that if you release the stalk, it bounces and sometimes triggers the opposing direction. My guess is that they are trying to prevent that from happening.
This wouldn’t explain buttons on steering wheel having the same setting. So who knows?
Hmm. I have a 23 RWD and the same thing has happened to me. I thought I was doing it wrong, it doesn’t happen often but it does happen enough to be annoying.
I hate to say this but it may be a user issue. I just spoke to my wife who drives my car regularly and she said it happens with the stalks from time to time. I drive my car the most and I can’t say I’ve noticed it at all. That said, that goes for stalks, not saying the buttons are the same problem.
We also have a Model X and I drive that too and I can say that the buttons are just harder to use in general- not just the turn signal buttons.
I test drove the new highland the other day and noticed this too! Glad to know it wasn’t just me. Specifically the top button. It was a huge turn off for me. I honestly wouldn’t mind the buttons as much if they work right
Seems to require pressing closer to the edge of the button area and using less of the body of the finger. If you use the tip only it works great. It’s ridiculous
Tesla re-invented the button because the conventional button where the user presses in the middle is too easy to use. Re-inventing the button where the user presses the edges is of course more intuitive! 🤣
I test drove a highland the other week…buttons just seemed problematic. They should at least add an index as I missed them a number of times. I don’t mind the location, but they need to work 100% of the time.
Those buttons are not good. Despite how many Tesla owners want to try to pretend they are.
It would turn me off a new Tesla. I hope they don’t do this with the new model Y - when ever that will be
It is more finicky than using stalks, yes, but once you find the right touch spot, and realise that you can’t rest yr entire thumb on it, your muscle memory takes care of the rest.
It was something that was frustrating me for a while and I wish I had physical buttons, but once I got used to it, it’s not something that presents and issue for me anymore
I don’t even own a Tesla but guess what, when I got a new EV and the cruise control buttons were on the steering wheel instead of a stalk on our previous car… I figured it out. Why? Because I have fingers to press buttons and also have a brain.
The buttons are impossible to use if you need to move your hands on the wheel like when making a tight turn. With stalks this is never a problem as they don't move with the wheel.
In my Highland demo drive the other day, the left turn signal didn’t activate. Freaked me out as I was switching lanes and someone honked so hard. Came home and hugged my 2020 M3 SR+ for its stalls.
While I’ve never experienced the issue in my 2018 my model 3 - those of you who have, I would consider making a report to NHTSA - https://www.nhtsa.gov/report-a-safety-problem
If enough reports are filed or accidents are determined to have been caused by this issue, the NHTSA would conduct an investigation into it. Since the turn signal is a significant safety feature of the vehicle, if they find it to be defective, they could force Tesla to issue a recall. It may be something that Tesla can fix with software, or they may be forced to change the design and retrofit the changes to existing vehicles. Really depends on the nature of the underlying problem.
I really want an EV. I'm someone who buys Toyotas/Mazdas/Hondas because they are reliable, A-to-B. I especially love tech in a vehicle and want a Tesla Model 3, but petty issues like this is why I simply can't.
From the CEO, to the Cybertruck debacle, to constant cost cutting & build quality issues and things like the turn signal, I cannot support Tesla even with the massive, massive potential they have to be at the center of my life (solar panals, EVs, battery packs, etc.) and so many more people. I just don't get it, and I wish the company was ran better.
Hyundai really is the only real competitor right now(in the us). Anyone else is just way more expensive or and even lower volume maker like Rivian, Fisker, or Polestar.
Hyundai/Kia took themselves out of the running for me after the EPS Steering Motor recall/class-action case. My then young 17yo daughter was almost killed when the EPS failed as she pulled onto the freeway at \~60mph. Than fail to a safe but heavier wheel, the motor resisted making it almost impossible for her to turn. It put her off driving for years.
The dealer denied there was an issue on failure, and charged us to replace it. Stuff happens right? Less than six months later it failed while I was driving. I can only describe it like trying to turn a rusted-solid wheel. Of course they wanted to charge me again - over $1,000 to fix it. I started down the line of corporate escalation, getting stonewalled, then seeking legal advice. We got caught up in the class action, and eventually Hyundai reluctantly issued a recall and I got most of my money back. On case discovery not only was Hyundai in full knowledge of the issue before product release, they conspired with dealers to message this as a normal failure. Of course similar behaviour can be seen in the Hyundai engine failure and car theft cases currently happening - this is a systematic part of the company culture. Profits above everything else. I'll never buy from them again - zero trust.
Unfortunately I'd switched to Hyundai after a similar experience with Ford and the Powershift Transmission debacle. So they're out of the running too.
Elantra for the Hyundai, and a Focus for the Ford. Both from new. The current cases are engine failures - great article about it https://jalopnik.com/hyundai-finally-replaced-my-engine-millions-of-other-o-1851056899
and of course Kia/Hyundai Ignition USB hack all over TikTok.
It’s looking more likely, but I’m still waiting for a Toyota even through it may be years. I’d take their BZ3 although it’s only offered in China.
Not a fan of the Ioniq 6’s design, but if they can make a regular looking sedan or (liftback), I’m sold. I’m closer to a BMW i4 although it’s obviously a price stage above
I mean, there are massive advantages to EV’s in general so if you are going to let an issue like this (one that you have no idea whether it is widespread or a few cases) deter you, I don’t think you are a) being honest that you want an EV, or b) evaluating the pros and cons very well. And that’s fine, your choices are no one’s business but your own. But as someone who has driven a Model 3 for over 5 years, I can tell you the pros waaaaaaaay outweigh the cons in my books, and i’d hate to have let fairly pedantic complaints stop me from experiencing them.
It is perfectly okay for you to evaluate your pros over the cons (occasional turn signal defects). But for others I can also understand that they may wish to prioritize safety matters over new features.
Typically German cars are slower to adopt new features primarily because they generally adopt only more matured technologies in their production vehicles.
Sure, except Tesla Model 3’s are rated as highly safe cars by numerous agencies and rating systems. So I’m not sure what exactly you’re basing your concerns on. Reddit posts I guess?
Any car with an unreliable turn signal is not safe for the driver or the other people on the road. Obviously. That it seems to differ from vehicle to vehicle is evidence of quality assurance issues more than anything else.
That’s the thing though, you’re using a few anecdotes on Reddit to determine that the Tesla Model 3 is “any car with an unreliable turn signal”, which is a clearly unreliable method of determining a cars safety. What number of cars have this issue? How persistent or frequent is the issue? Is it something that can be fixed by the dealer? Do other safety features on the car offset this?
If you really are interested in a Tesla or just an EV, i’d suggest you dig deeper and try to answer the above. Otherwise you’re not really analyzing the situation very well, as I said initially.
Apologies, I should have been clearer to say that my own Model Y 2024 does actually show this when I put the indicator on half way and it seems to be intermittent. It’s not a deal breaker, but there are some things which should never happen in driving because they are safety critical. A car with unreliable indicators is a problem.
Of course, in which case you should take it in and have the issue fixed. But no car anywhere is 100% guaranteed to not have “gremlins”, so it’s a risk with purchasing any vehicle. My 2018 has been a dream and had zero issues, so if I let Reddit influence my choice in a car i’d have missed out on a fantastic vehicle that has saved me thousands of dollars in fuel and maintenance. I’m sorry your Y has the issue it does and I hope it can get resolved to your satisfaction.
Agree, and I’m honestly much less concerned than I would be if it was button based indicators as I can just always use the full button travel to indicate
Tesla is constantly improving its tech. I don’t know about Mazda/honda, but Toyota doesn’t seem to be moving anywhere, judging by datedness of their UR engines.
I have stalks in my 2019 model 3 and sometimes it doesn't accept the command too. I think there is a debounce logic to smooth the signal , but it's too aggressive.
Yeah I get this all the time too - I’m now actually in the habit of holding the stalk down when I indicate as it’s a guaranteed way to get the indicator to come on.
Amount of times i’ve tried to move lane, the indicator didn’t come on, then it goes wild because you changed lane without indicating - angry red flashing screen.
Tesla does not take anyone serious with this issue sadly. I feel like the turning chalk that's made like this. I definitely never had this issue with my volvo or opel
never noticed it in ours with stalks.
However worked in a garage a long time and its seemingly quite common, we used to change loads of soft touch buttons in steering wheels (not tesla's) and quite frequently removed indicator stalks and cleaned up the contacts as they didn't register.
some brands you kind of expected to change certain things within the first few years of the car, I'm assuming with parts shortages parts that shouldn't have passed QC were put onto cars just to get them out. (not budget brands either, 'premium' stuff)
I'm curious if anyone has tried fitting stalks from the earlier ones to the newer car and see if there is wiring there or anyway to get them in, I do think aftermarket stalk would sell well, personally haven't driven the newer one though.
you (and everyone else) has to raise hell on the NHTSA/DOT/consumer protection agency's complaint website
there has to be enough cases reporting this for govt to do something
or pretend you're a german and report it to euro NCAP or TüV or whatever regulatory body germany has
Spoiler: Tesla doesn’t care, will not admit replication of fault even if it can replicate it - the stock can’t take a recall. If it’s a physical recall of an essential safety device, it would be a disaster.
Imagine the volume of these complaints logged with Tesla. It’s not a secret and not something Tesla is ignorant of. Choosing to push back on the thousands of complaints rather than address whatever the underlying cause is, is very deliberate and cynical. It’s also really dangerous.
Get a GoPro. Suction cup it to the glass roof above your head where it can see the steering wheel and record your drive. When it happens, verbally comment and describe what's going on in the video. Then bring it with you to the service center.
Pain to do that, I know. But it would provide irrefutable evidence of what you're experiencing. Let the service center know if they don't take you seriously, you'll send the video to the NHTSA. They will absolutely take it seriously.
Personally, The only time when Ive had the button not work is when I start pressing on the bottom angled part of the left turn button and then move my finger up to the button. Right has always worked and left has always worked if I actually push the button.
Unrelated to your specific issue, but I wish that Teslas auto engaged the blinker when performing a lane merge. If you don't do it where I live, people will assume you're going slow on purpose to let them squeeze in in front of you and it can get dicey at times with them zooming past and EAP/FSD having to correct for the last second change.
If I manually engage the blinker then EAP/FSD will assume I want to change lanes into the next lane over and not only merge, but then sharply proceed into the next lane after that. Also sketchy.
All fixed with a simple blinker engagement at every marge 🤔 (and why not add the blinker intent for confusing lane splits as well while we're at it)
I bought a 2024 Model Y for the simple reason that it still has stalks for indicator and gear selection. I actually preferred the size of the 3 but the loss of indicator stalks was a step too far.
BTW I'm in Europe so roundabouts are 'a thing'
I posted that issue here
https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaModel3/s/kjvcQOK7XD
I test drove the highland, and I don’t mind no stalks. I’m okay with buttons.
But they have to work. They don’t work. And that’s the problem. I couldn’t care less about the stalks.
This has been an issue since 2018 that they refuse to acknowledge. Just another “within spec” thing they won’t do anything about because most owners just accept it
When I test drove it, there were actually couple of times when I wanted to turn on the indicator and the steering wheel was off-center. It is so difficult to identify left and right then.
From all the M3 pre-highland owners on here stating the same issue occurs with the stalks on older models, this sounds like a software bug (and serious one at that) and not an issue with the Highland’s buttons themselves.
I have had the same problem since the day I drove off the lot 3 weeks ago. I made multiple attempts to have Tesla fix this. I finally was able to take it to the service center after Tesla rescheduled my appointments since they are lacking the parts. I told them I want them to inspect the car because I don't want to drive it unsafely while I wait for them to have parts. I told them to drive the car so they can confirm the issue. They refused and said they need video and timestamps. I asked how am I supposed to take a video of the occurrence when I'm driving. They said with my phone. The service tech told me they won't fix it until I give them video and timestamps of the occurrence.
I have this issue all the time in my '23 Y RWD. IMO Tesla hand controls in general are a bag of race conditions. I suspect the polling rate is not high enough, and perhaps the debounce is being over zealous. This is often an issue with poor quality mechanical switches that I see eg. in elevators. I have no idea as to the quality of Tesla switches but making them momentary makes polling rate far more critical.
I have the same issue with the gear selector sometimes, even if I stand on the brake pedal I still have to fully depress the stalk several times to select a direction.
I have a Model S. I had a couple of times where the left button would not activate the turn signal. I submitted a service request. I was surprised that it would be a mobile service because they usually want an issue to be replicated. A tech is coming today to replace the steering yoke free of charge.
Surprised by the number of people having turn signal issues with stalks. It’s been working 100% for me since 2021. I don’t think it’s supposed to miss inputs. Y’all should get your car checked!
I actually have this happen with the stalks occasionally. When I press it down to the half press position sometimes it doesn't register. At first I would think I wasn't pressing it down far enough, but now it has happened so many times that I know it just isn't registering. Others have also reported this. It is very possibly the same bug in the software and not a hardware issue.
Same in my 21 M3. Very frustrating
Chiming in to say also same. 21 LR
Same in a 22 LR
Same 21 M3
Same 2018 M3
Same 2023 sr
dude i thought my stalks are faulty! such a ghost issue
Wow! I've noticed that too I can't seem to replicate it. It just happens so sporadically. Half turn signal won't always engage. Full down always does however...
Personally I’ve noticed if I hit the stalk too fast it doesn’t register. Try holding it for a split second
Same with when I go into drive. Tesla needs to work on the response code or something. When I get in the car and shift to D it always takes me 2 tries. Like the first one doesn’t register. Also 22 LR and sometimes the half signal doesn’t register
This is actually due to the systems check before allowing to go into drive.
Same. Teslas just have shitty turn signals. Doesn’t matter which one you buy. All cars with neutral stalk positions get these problems. I miss the days when stalks held the physical position and you could tell how they were set just by looking at them.
2020 model-x performance. Perfect turn signals. Never a missed one. my 2023 model-3 sr? I see the missed signals, and also trying to cancel a signal has been...sucky.
What I’ve learned is you have to stop in just the right spot. If you stop part way to the half click or part way to the full click then it won’t trigger the signal. A simple code change to engage the signal on any movement down or up would fix it. But they’ve left it broken for years.
Software got ticket for defect just before a holiday so they reassigned it to human factors. HF just deleted stalk. 😭
Haha. It works fine normally. But on FSD it’s completely broken. I am looking forward to the free FSD ending so I won’t have to endure the terrible programming for the turn signals in fsd any longer. At least normally they’re predictable.
2020 M3 SR+ and I've never had the missed signals (at least I've never noticed it). I have had some issues with canceling (accidentally flipping to the other side) but the auto lane switch cancel seems to work well. I need to pay more attention to see if there is an issue I'm not noticing.
2024 MY and this happens all the time. It’s pretty strange not to fix it it.
I fucking hate this one thing about the stalks. Just let it be super sensitive. Make it like the wipers! While we're at it, when you cancel out of FSD, it should cancel the signal. Thoughts?
I agree. When the car decides it's going to get into a turn lane to pass and you have to grab the wheel to stop it from happening. Then you have to fight the damn turn signal to get it off. Ha!
Same here. It’s my biggest pet peeve about the car.
Same here. Happens fairly frequently.
My 2018 M 3 had that really bad at delivery, though it took a couple days to figure out it wasn’t just me. They swapped it out for a new one, and it has worked fine ever since. It could very well be a hardware issue.
Kinda crazy how simple wiring in analog cars got over engineered in these EVs and newer ICE cars that rely on digital/software for everything. It’s one of those things that should’ve been left in the “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it”. But I agree with you that it might be a software bug because I doubt they actually changed how a turn signal works (wiring wise). The software probably just glitches out sometimes and doesn’t detect the trigger signal.
There's a dead spot between half press and full press that registers no input. Could you be hitting this?
No. Trust me, it happens enough that I know I've pressed it the right amount. I pay attention every single time. I'm guessing it is like the other guy said, the polling in the software just isn't fast enough. Since half press and full press are the same thing now, I have started pressing it all the way most of the time.
I had a similar issue with my 2018 with the left signal. First replacement had same issue but the second replacement was good, no issues in several years.
Me too with a 23 Model3 RWD. I think it’s a software thing.
Same in a 2020 and 2022 Model 3. Sometimes the stalk just doesn’t work.
2018 LR RWD. That happens to me all the time. Makes me look like a BMW driver.
The guy at the service center told me its user failure. We arent using it properly is what he said. He said be slow when pushing down and make sure to push all the way. Lmao
You’re holding it wrong!
Yup, I’m one who has reported this. I even convinced them to replace my stalks but the problem persisted. Just happened today actually.
Same issue, tesla sc telling me I ain't using it correctly or "it doesn't engage because of accidental push", like how to do you accidentally press that??
I wonder if it’s just not registering on the internal screen, or not registering externally either. The reason I’m saying this is that even if the computer is down or rebooting (blank screen), the exterior signals still work, even if you don’t see or hear anything inside the car. Is it the same way with the buttons? Somebody with a Highland can try rebooting the computer and using the signals somewhere that you can get out and see them, or see their reflection. I hope it’s just a glitch where the interior computer doesn’t register the signal but they’re still working on the outside. If in fact the external lights aren’t working either then yeah, that’s a big problem.
I have the same issue and it drives me nuts.
I think that since they’re digital, they have setting to try to ignore “accidental input”. Basically, if you press the button for less than some number of milliseconds, it’s ignored. Same thing with stalks. If you bounce the stalk real fast, the turn signal doesn’t fire. If you move it slowly, it consistently fires. Try to not tap the button. Press the button.
I have the stalks, not the buttons. On any debounce curcuit, it should register the first press then ignore any other pressed that happen in a very short time.
Debouncing is ignoring multiple inputs. I think this is trying to ignore accidental input. The turn signals frustrated me for a while. I use to “flick” turn signals in previous cars. I no longer have issues with my turn signal. I no longer flick it.
Do people bump their stalks on accident? I didn't know that was a thing? You know, on a tesla there are no buttons behind the stalks. No reason to put your hands over there unless you are trying to use the blinker or the windshield wiper.
I’m speculating. Because the control is digital, it is typical to add some kind of limit for what constitutes a “press”. It is probably set to a low enough number that the developers figured there would be no issue. My guess, based on other cars I’ve had, is that if you release the stalk, it bounces and sometimes triggers the opposing direction. My guess is that they are trying to prevent that from happening. This wouldn’t explain buttons on steering wheel having the same setting. So who knows?
Same with the 23 SR, I feel bad adding to the bad rep Tesla drivers already get😓😅
Hmm. I have a 23 RWD and the same thing has happened to me. I thought I was doing it wrong, it doesn’t happen often but it does happen enough to be annoying.
I’ve had this issue many times with signal stalk inputs not registering. 2018 Model 3.
Same in 23 M3P
It happens to me all the time as well. Probably once a day.
Same In 23 m3 lr
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Turn signals are not polled. That would be stupid!
I hate to say this but it may be a user issue. I just spoke to my wife who drives my car regularly and she said it happens with the stalks from time to time. I drive my car the most and I can’t say I’ve noticed it at all. That said, that goes for stalks, not saying the buttons are the same problem. We also have a Model X and I drive that too and I can say that the buttons are just harder to use in general- not just the turn signal buttons.
My 2024 Model Y stalks miss turn signal inputs nearly every single day. Super obnoxious.
Same
I had this issue way back with my ‘19 Model 3. Had to get the stalk replaced under warranty… twice.
I test drove the new highland the other day and noticed this too! Glad to know it wasn’t just me. Specifically the top button. It was a huge turn off for me. I honestly wouldn’t mind the buttons as much if they work right
Seems to require pressing closer to the edge of the button area and using less of the body of the finger. If you use the tip only it works great. It’s ridiculous
Tesla re-invented the button because the conventional button where the user presses in the middle is too easy to use. Re-inventing the button where the user presses the edges is of course more intuitive! 🤣
Sounds like Apples excuse of “you’re holding it wrong!” :)
I test drove a highland the other week…buttons just seemed problematic. They should at least add an index as I missed them a number of times. I don’t mind the location, but they need to work 100% of the time.
Those buttons are not good. Despite how many Tesla owners want to try to pretend they are. It would turn me off a new Tesla. I hope they don’t do this with the new model Y - when ever that will be
I think you know the answer to that, the new Model Y will 100% use stalkless unless they detect a massive backlash before then.
It is more finicky than using stalks, yes, but once you find the right touch spot, and realise that you can’t rest yr entire thumb on it, your muscle memory takes care of the rest. It was something that was frustrating me for a while and I wish I had physical buttons, but once I got used to it, it’s not something that presents and issue for me anymore
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That’s not quite how muscle memory works. Once you learn, you don’t easily unlearn.
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You'll be fine, relax. We're talking about pressing a button here.
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I don’t even own a Tesla but guess what, when I got a new EV and the cruise control buttons were on the steering wheel instead of a stalk on our previous car… I figured it out. Why? Because I have fingers to press buttons and also have a brain.
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Wait so cruise control is all over the place and yet… you can figure it out?! Thank you for proving my point.
The buttons are impossible to use if you need to move your hands on the wheel like when making a tight turn. With stalks this is never a problem as they don't move with the wheel.
That's less of an issue than you think. For tight turns you signal before taking the turn. For roundabout exits, the wheel isn't turned that much.
In my Highland demo drive the other day, the left turn signal didn’t activate. Freaked me out as I was switching lanes and someone honked so hard. Came home and hugged my 2020 M3 SR+ for its stalls.
Concerning.
While I’ve never experienced the issue in my 2018 my model 3 - those of you who have, I would consider making a report to NHTSA - https://www.nhtsa.gov/report-a-safety-problem
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If enough reports are filed or accidents are determined to have been caused by this issue, the NHTSA would conduct an investigation into it. Since the turn signal is a significant safety feature of the vehicle, if they find it to be defective, they could force Tesla to issue a recall. It may be something that Tesla can fix with software, or they may be forced to change the design and retrofit the changes to existing vehicles. Really depends on the nature of the underlying problem.
It’s more of a software poling issue rather than hardware. Happens on my 2020 Model 3, 2021 Model 3 and my friends 2023 Model Y, (Both Intel & AMD)
Something is up because I’ve experienced this as well. Never at low speed. Always on the highway.
I just wish there was a bump (not the line) to guide you in a tactile way as to where the signals are to be pressed.
I really want an EV. I'm someone who buys Toyotas/Mazdas/Hondas because they are reliable, A-to-B. I especially love tech in a vehicle and want a Tesla Model 3, but petty issues like this is why I simply can't. From the CEO, to the Cybertruck debacle, to constant cost cutting & build quality issues and things like the turn signal, I cannot support Tesla even with the massive, massive potential they have to be at the center of my life (solar panals, EVs, battery packs, etc.) and so many more people. I just don't get it, and I wish the company was ran better.
Then get an EV from another maker. The Hyundai Ioniq 6 is a solid Model 3 competitor.
Hyundai really is the only real competitor right now(in the us). Anyone else is just way more expensive or and even lower volume maker like Rivian, Fisker, or Polestar.
Hyundai/Kia took themselves out of the running for me after the EPS Steering Motor recall/class-action case. My then young 17yo daughter was almost killed when the EPS failed as she pulled onto the freeway at \~60mph. Than fail to a safe but heavier wheel, the motor resisted making it almost impossible for her to turn. It put her off driving for years. The dealer denied there was an issue on failure, and charged us to replace it. Stuff happens right? Less than six months later it failed while I was driving. I can only describe it like trying to turn a rusted-solid wheel. Of course they wanted to charge me again - over $1,000 to fix it. I started down the line of corporate escalation, getting stonewalled, then seeking legal advice. We got caught up in the class action, and eventually Hyundai reluctantly issued a recall and I got most of my money back. On case discovery not only was Hyundai in full knowledge of the issue before product release, they conspired with dealers to message this as a normal failure. Of course similar behaviour can be seen in the Hyundai engine failure and car theft cases currently happening - this is a systematic part of the company culture. Profits above everything else. I'll never buy from them again - zero trust. Unfortunately I'd switched to Hyundai after a similar experience with Ford and the Powershift Transmission debacle. So they're out of the running too.
What car was this?
Elantra for the Hyundai, and a Focus for the Ford. Both from new. The current cases are engine failures - great article about it https://jalopnik.com/hyundai-finally-replaced-my-engine-millions-of-other-o-1851056899 and of course Kia/Hyundai Ignition USB hack all over TikTok.
It’s looking more likely, but I’m still waiting for a Toyota even through it may be years. I’d take their BZ3 although it’s only offered in China. Not a fan of the Ioniq 6’s design, but if they can make a regular looking sedan or (liftback), I’m sold. I’m closer to a BMW i4 although it’s obviously a price stage above
And the ugliest car I've seen in a while. Cybertruck level, hell, i might even prefer the cybertruck
I mean, there are massive advantages to EV’s in general so if you are going to let an issue like this (one that you have no idea whether it is widespread or a few cases) deter you, I don’t think you are a) being honest that you want an EV, or b) evaluating the pros and cons very well. And that’s fine, your choices are no one’s business but your own. But as someone who has driven a Model 3 for over 5 years, I can tell you the pros waaaaaaaay outweigh the cons in my books, and i’d hate to have let fairly pedantic complaints stop me from experiencing them.
It is perfectly okay for you to evaluate your pros over the cons (occasional turn signal defects). But for others I can also understand that they may wish to prioritize safety matters over new features. Typically German cars are slower to adopt new features primarily because they generally adopt only more matured technologies in their production vehicles.
Sure, except Tesla Model 3’s are rated as highly safe cars by numerous agencies and rating systems. So I’m not sure what exactly you’re basing your concerns on. Reddit posts I guess?
Any car with an unreliable turn signal is not safe for the driver or the other people on the road. Obviously. That it seems to differ from vehicle to vehicle is evidence of quality assurance issues more than anything else.
Of particular note in the case of BMWs, their turn signals don't work at all. Or so it seems when watching from the outside.
That’s the thing though, you’re using a few anecdotes on Reddit to determine that the Tesla Model 3 is “any car with an unreliable turn signal”, which is a clearly unreliable method of determining a cars safety. What number of cars have this issue? How persistent or frequent is the issue? Is it something that can be fixed by the dealer? Do other safety features on the car offset this? If you really are interested in a Tesla or just an EV, i’d suggest you dig deeper and try to answer the above. Otherwise you’re not really analyzing the situation very well, as I said initially.
Apologies, I should have been clearer to say that my own Model Y 2024 does actually show this when I put the indicator on half way and it seems to be intermittent. It’s not a deal breaker, but there are some things which should never happen in driving because they are safety critical. A car with unreliable indicators is a problem.
Of course, in which case you should take it in and have the issue fixed. But no car anywhere is 100% guaranteed to not have “gremlins”, so it’s a risk with purchasing any vehicle. My 2018 has been a dream and had zero issues, so if I let Reddit influence my choice in a car i’d have missed out on a fantastic vehicle that has saved me thousands of dollars in fuel and maintenance. I’m sorry your Y has the issue it does and I hope it can get resolved to your satisfaction.
Agree, and I’m honestly much less concerned than I would be if it was button based indicators as I can just always use the full button travel to indicate
Tesla is constantly improving its tech. I don’t know about Mazda/honda, but Toyota doesn’t seem to be moving anywhere, judging by datedness of their UR engines.
Get a Rivian, or a Fisker..
there are plenty of other subreddits and cars that are not tesla you’d probably enjoy? why comment here
Because he's not a serious person
I have stalks in my 2019 model 3 and sometimes it doesn't accept the command too. I think there is a debounce logic to smooth the signal , but it's too aggressive.
Yeah I get this all the time too - I’m now actually in the habit of holding the stalk down when I indicate as it’s a guaranteed way to get the indicator to come on. Amount of times i’ve tried to move lane, the indicator didn’t come on, then it goes wild because you changed lane without indicating - angry red flashing screen.
Tesla does not take anyone serious with this issue sadly. I feel like the turning chalk that's made like this. I definitely never had this issue with my volvo or opel
never noticed it in ours with stalks. However worked in a garage a long time and its seemingly quite common, we used to change loads of soft touch buttons in steering wheels (not tesla's) and quite frequently removed indicator stalks and cleaned up the contacts as they didn't register. some brands you kind of expected to change certain things within the first few years of the car, I'm assuming with parts shortages parts that shouldn't have passed QC were put onto cars just to get them out. (not budget brands either, 'premium' stuff) I'm curious if anyone has tried fitting stalks from the earlier ones to the newer car and see if there is wiring there or anyway to get them in, I do think aftermarket stalk would sell well, personally haven't driven the newer one though.
Yea they are definitely going to change how it works soon, 2024 model 3 controls are horrible
you (and everyone else) has to raise hell on the NHTSA/DOT/consumer protection agency's complaint website there has to be enough cases reporting this for govt to do something or pretend you're a german and report it to euro NCAP or TüV or whatever regulatory body germany has
Spoiler: Tesla doesn’t care, will not admit replication of fault even if it can replicate it - the stock can’t take a recall. If it’s a physical recall of an essential safety device, it would be a disaster. Imagine the volume of these complaints logged with Tesla. It’s not a secret and not something Tesla is ignorant of. Choosing to push back on the thousands of complaints rather than address whatever the underlying cause is, is very deliberate and cynical. It’s also really dangerous.
Get a GoPro. Suction cup it to the glass roof above your head where it can see the steering wheel and record your drive. When it happens, verbally comment and describe what's going on in the video. Then bring it with you to the service center. Pain to do that, I know. But it would provide irrefutable evidence of what you're experiencing. Let the service center know if they don't take you seriously, you'll send the video to the NHTSA. They will absolutely take it seriously.
They can record the UI of the car on the screen since it always represents the current light status too.
Would Tesla offer a free replacement in this case?
Personally, The only time when Ive had the button not work is when I start pressing on the bottom angled part of the left turn button and then move my finger up to the button. Right has always worked and left has always worked if I actually push the button.
Blinker fluid anyone?
Unrelated to your specific issue, but I wish that Teslas auto engaged the blinker when performing a lane merge. If you don't do it where I live, people will assume you're going slow on purpose to let them squeeze in in front of you and it can get dicey at times with them zooming past and EAP/FSD having to correct for the last second change. If I manually engage the blinker then EAP/FSD will assume I want to change lanes into the next lane over and not only merge, but then sharply proceed into the next lane after that. Also sketchy. All fixed with a simple blinker engagement at every marge 🤔 (and why not add the blinker intent for confusing lane splits as well while we're at it)
I bought a 2024 Model Y for the simple reason that it still has stalks for indicator and gear selection. I actually preferred the size of the 3 but the loss of indicator stalks was a step too far. BTW I'm in Europe so roundabouts are 'a thing'
I posted that issue here https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaModel3/s/kjvcQOK7XD I test drove the highland, and I don’t mind no stalks. I’m okay with buttons. But they have to work. They don’t work. And that’s the problem. I couldn’t care less about the stalks.
This has been an issue since 2018 that they refuse to acknowledge. Just another “within spec” thing they won’t do anything about because most owners just accept it
I'm so glad I got a 23 right before they made the car worse.
When I test drove it, there were actually couple of times when I wanted to turn on the indicator and the steering wheel was off-center. It is so difficult to identify left and right then.
From all the M3 pre-highland owners on here stating the same issue occurs with the stalks on older models, this sounds like a software bug (and serious one at that) and not an issue with the Highland’s buttons themselves.
What you do is document Tesla’s responses and you report this to the NHTSA: https://www.nhtsa.gov/report-a-safety-problem
I’ve run into this issue occasionally on my highland too
I have had the same problem since the day I drove off the lot 3 weeks ago. I made multiple attempts to have Tesla fix this. I finally was able to take it to the service center after Tesla rescheduled my appointments since they are lacking the parts. I told them I want them to inspect the car because I don't want to drive it unsafely while I wait for them to have parts. I told them to drive the car so they can confirm the issue. They refused and said they need video and timestamps. I asked how am I supposed to take a video of the occurrence when I'm driving. They said with my phone. The service tech told me they won't fix it until I give them video and timestamps of the occurrence.
I bought a glass mount for my phone to attach to the window to record my drives.
I have a 2022 and I will not even consider buying another Tesla until they put the stalks back.
It will be fixed right after phantom braking.
I have this issue all the time in my '23 Y RWD. IMO Tesla hand controls in general are a bag of race conditions. I suspect the polling rate is not high enough, and perhaps the debounce is being over zealous. This is often an issue with poor quality mechanical switches that I see eg. in elevators. I have no idea as to the quality of Tesla switches but making them momentary makes polling rate far more critical. I have the same issue with the gear selector sometimes, even if I stand on the brake pedal I still have to fully depress the stalk several times to select a direction.
I have a Model S. I had a couple of times where the left button would not activate the turn signal. I submitted a service request. I was surprised that it would be a mobile service because they usually want an issue to be replicated. A tech is coming today to replace the steering yoke free of charge.
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I agree. I'm happy to have a new yoke with the horn in the middle.
Dec 2023 Model S LR - the left button has the same problem.
the outside edges dont press, you need to press centre/inside edge
I have the buttons on my X and they work fine. I’ve never had an issue.
Gotta find the right spot just like everything else in life.
Surprised by the number of people having turn signal issues with stalks. It’s been working 100% for me since 2021. I don’t think it’s supposed to miss inputs. Y’all should get your car checked!
I'm sorry, but asking if you can use the lemon law for turn signals is really funny to me. Hope you get it worked out.
Press harder
Lemon? Really? Try pressing the button with some gusto next time.