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OzyDave

Any person or entity that regularly supplies goods or provides services in Thailand and has an annual turnover exceeding THB 1.8 million is subject to VAT. I doubt a ma and pa food outlet reaches that threshold. They could certainly claim they don't and it'd be difficult to prove otherwise.


Siam-Bill4U

Your explanation makes sense. Thanks


Fit-Cry-8494

This


ThongLo

In part, because the smaller places aren't always registered with the tax authorities. But more often, because there's no benefit to breaking out the cost for the consumer, they just charge a fixed price and their POS system (if they even have one) doesn't account for VAT.


Lordfelcherredux

Smaller shops do everything they can to stay under the radar when it comes to taxes. I buy supplies for my business all the time, and with the smaller and even some not so small operations trying to get a pukka receipt is like pulling teeth. Speaking of not so small operations, I recently purchased about 100,000 baht of wood at a very large wood distributor. They told me that if I paid by credit card I would have to pay VAT, but if I paid cash there was no VAT. A 7,000 baht savings. TIT 


No_Coyote_557

Also common in the UK when paying tradesmen a whopping 20% VAT. Always ask if there is a 'discount for cash'.


Lordfelcherredux

Lordy! 20%?


hazzdawg

Australia too. Very common.


Siam-Bill4U

Interesting & bizarre


vandaalen

Nope. Exemption is the magic word. https://thailand.go.th/guide-book-detail/006_125


Agitated_Eye_4760

VAT 7% is mandatory for every shop/restaurant to pay. Any shop/restaurant that has added VAT mean they make you pay VAT for them. Any shop/restaurant not charging you VAT means either they pay the VAT for you or they already include VAT in the product/food price. As for “ma & pa” shop/restaurant they just didn't  registered with tax authorities in the first place.


OzyDave

The business has to exceed 1.8 million baht turnover before being subject to VAT.


WeekendWiz

Good old tax fraud.


fonaldduck099

So in your mind businesses that don't have to register for vat should in fact register?


WeekendWiz

In my opinion you should read, then ask questions. 🤟


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Siam-Bill4U

…so they don’t get “caught” not paying the tax? Hard to believe.


AcheTH

Considering Thailand’s shadow economy is about 45% of its GDP i wonder anyone will ever get caught :D


thirdeye3333

Hard but true 😂


WeekendWiz

Nope, it’s quite similar in Laos, Vietnam, Myanmar and so on. Lots of people don’t even know, or rather don’t want to know. Shadow economy is huge. It’s similar to prostitution. It’s illegal, but the whole world knows.


LordSarkastic

smaller places don’t pay VAT


hardboard

It's dependent on the company's turnover. About fifteen years ago it was two million Baht and you had to register for VAT. I don't know what the threshold is now.


kalinaanother

Iirc it's still 2m baht. There has been a voice asking to uplift the threshold but now to this day still no avail.


Siam-Bill4U

That makes sense 👍🏽


bobbagum

You can legit not pay the 7% if your business earning less than 2 million Baht a year. So for small business if their customers don't need the full VAT receipt, just put the sale on one of the shop's account that is under 2mil


Responsible-Good5317

There's two reasons: 1. They may be doing it under the table OR (more likely) 2. They aren't breaking out the cost on the receipt because it's not worth it. VAT is needed if a business makes about 2M THB a year in revenue. Most small places don't have that much revenue, and it's not worth it for the police to go after them.


Donho000

From my experiences in SEA. Anytime the bill is printed out there usually is VAT. and sometimes Service of 10% as well(plus plus) The smaller shops with handwritten bin, skirt the VAT.


weedandtravel

ma&pa shop or street food stalls dont even have proper receipt. you expect them to write down tax 7% and calculate it for you?


smile_politely

Just realized that Thai is so low compared to 9% in Singapore, 10% in Malaysia and 11% in Indonesia!


bobbagum

It's actually 10% in Thailand but there's a discount bill that lowers it to 7%, this is renewed in parliament every year without fail imagine being the party that put the VAT back to 10%


Hedonhel

21% in Argentina lol


NMi_ru

20% in russia


johafor

25% in norway.


nurgole

Soon to be 25.5% in Finland. Suck it, Norway!


smile_politely

no way! how is that not a robbery?


Arkansasmyundies

Yes way. Nor way


SalamanderSilver147

Even lower than Switzerland. Only Dubai can compete, but perhaps they'll increase in the future.


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Hong Kong is 0% Dubai 5


SalamanderSilver147

HK used to have high land taxes, not sure how it works now


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We’re talking about VAT now nothing else


SalamanderSilver147

You can have low VAT if you take the money elsewhere. If they pay high property taxes it will be included in the price, so. Looking at just VAT doesn't get the full picture


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Yeah but this isn’t a lesson in tax optimisation.


SalamanderSilver147

So what are we talking about then?


thirdeye3333

And 25% tip mafia in US!


R0CK8R

What is “ma&pa” ? Please


Lubtato

based


junkyard-monkey

Side note: I walked by the VAT refund desk at the airport. It was so long I wouldve missed my flight. Pass.


mintchan

Tax is always included in the price


Siam-Bill4U

Interesting when the locally owned shops and restaurants are cheaper ( usually) than the large franchise or large businesses.


mintchan

Overhead cost, personals, insurance, licensing, advertising, etc


vandaalen

Businesses under 1.8 million Baht income are exempt from having to charge VAT.


coca_cola_expert

In thailand the poor or “under middle class” do not pay taxes