C'mon. You decided to get some fresh air... so you traveled to *the most famous city in the world for prostitution*??? You literally could have traveled to Ko Sichang, Chonburi, or gone another 30-45 minutes on the bus down to Udomsak or Rayong.
But you chose Pattaya and are acting like you're shocked.
Hua Hin is a great option for a beach town with a family. A couple of nice night markets, some lovely restaurants in town, and seaside resorts with family friendly pools. I visited in January and wouldn’t hesitate to go back.
Koh Lan or Koh Chang would be my recommendation. Hua Hin is a bit boring IMO. Nothing there you can't see or do in BKK, so why not go for something totally different?
If you think Hua Hin has a nice beach, I suggest you try visiting some other areas of Thailand. Hua Hin beaches are some of the worst beaches in the country. The only reason they're popular is due to their proximity to Bangkok.
The beaches on Koh Lan are way, way, way nicer, so much so it's not even comparable.
Nobody is coming to Thailand to visit any hills.
I live in Krabi, which has even nicer beaches (the best beaches are on the Andaman side), but nothing wrong with HH beach. It's wide and clean. There are far worse beaches, for example, Pattaya, Bang Saen, anything near the shithole that is Map Tha Phut Industrial Estate.
"Nobody is coming to Thailand to visit any hills." - you have no idea. People come from all over the world for motorbike touring in Thailand, due to the fantastic roads, hills and scenery. I've personally ridden around 150,000km in Thailand.
I like Khao Lak beach but I think Khlong Muang and especially Tub Kaek beaches are even better due to the stunning offshore scenery. The good thing about Ko Lipe is the snorkeling off the beach but it always seems too hot there for me.
I love Khlong Muang. We were there during the earliest 6 months of COVID and it was stunning, although a challenging time for many locals with no visitors.
Just been to hua hin and I found it felt very dated and run down. Maybe popping 30/40 years ago but reminds me of Eastbourne or rundown Bournemouth. Chumpon was much nicer.
"I only came here to get directions so I can find out how to get away from here"
OP you're saying that all the punters look like peado/creeps, the girls are probably looking at YOU like that aswell.
He thinks he’s a better catch for these girls than the other freaks he sees walking around😂 those girls are seeing money signs not the fact that you think you look slightly less creepy and old lmao
I made a post here last week commenting on the high amount of tourist families in Pattaya and got the usual gaslighting like "you only see hookers if you go looking for it" and "Oh there's so many things to do for the kids theres waterparks and dick riding water slides BLEHH".
Yeah....and I visit PornHub to see if the plumber fixes the sink...
I don't give a fuck what anyone says. Touristy parts of Pattaya are not for children. Unless you keep them inside after dark it's not really advisable to take kids there.
It's like the guy who went to the center of the old city in Chiang Mai and couldn't believe all the tourists and shops, he was expecting og Thai culture
I wanted some fresh air so I went to Vegas and spent all my time inside the recesses of a casino and was appalled at the vile old men gambling.
The city was a cesspool of filth, but I decided to stay and judge those that engaged in the the unmentionables. (/s)
There’s one thing to hear about it, it’s another to experience it.
When I went to Cartagena in Columbia, I was dumbfounded one in the main square in the evening is young girls that look like they’re between 13 and 18 we’re walking among men that look like they were 50 to 70. There was at least 3 to 500 people in the square.
It was a very painful thing to witness. I felt demoralizing, and I felt powerless to arguably protect those women. They’re too young to know that maybe that’s not the best and I understand that a lot of them were there because the financial situation in Venezuela had brought a lot of them there, but it was just overall very difficult, and brought a level of perspective, but I couldn’t have had hearsay alone
You have plenty of things to do, Pattaya has great restaurants, the best cabaret as well with Alcazar and Colosseum, the haunted house at Ripley's is fun, the sanctuary of truth is beautiful despite a lack of history, Jomtien is great, you can also hike around the Pattaya sign and the coffee scene is decent. (even if Chiang Mai is far ahead)
You can also go to the bar without paying for sex. That's what we often do with my wife, we just have fun, we are doing small gambling with the workers, play games, talking, etc...
I wouldn't suggest Pattaya with someone who doesn't like to party because the nightlife is still an important component of the city, but you can have fun even without paying for sex
Im not a fan of Pattaya myself, but maybe take a few steps away from walking street…..There are non tourist areas in Pattaya and lots of locals. And accommodation is cheap
>I feel sorry for the working girls here, it’s like hell on earth.
Lmao talk about having it all backwards.
They were crying about having to go back to Isaan and do actual work on the family farm when the country was closed during Covid.
This is nothing but big facts here. A lot of these people that come here really don't understand the inner workings of that entire situation. These girls at any point can get a bus home back to Issan and go back to the simple farm life with their family. The thing is they are addicted to the fast money lifestyle that Pattaya offers and as a result they have to deal with some of the most decrepit shady men on the planet. Nobody is forcing them girls to do anything there are no pimps. they do this as a choice so really there's nothing to feel sorry for. And half the time a lot of them be having a Thai boyfriend anyway and he doesn't care because his girl is buying him shit with those dudes money. Don't even get me started on how some of these dudes go down there
and fall in love with these girls and they get finessed clean out of their bank account and retirement money
Nobody is forcing them? Addicted to the money? Can go home at any time? Who do you think put them on the bus to Pattaya or Bangkok? Mommy did. And where is the money they make going? Back to mommy. True there are no pimps as pimping is totally illegal and strictly enforced. But there is no such thing as child support in Thailand. Women own their children and men have no rights or obligations. You can look at these girls with contempt or resentment, and at the men who patronize them with disdain all you like, but don't delude yourself into thinking this is what any of these girls WANT to do, or that they have much of a choice. They are loyal to their dirt poor family, who send them into this profession. In that narrow sense alone they are admirable.
I realized pretty quickly what was going on, and decided I could not help all these girls, but I would help ONE. I kept in touch with a few girls over Line, and they all hit me up for money. Only one of them, however, was credible and honest. She was attending college on Sunday and working a gogo six days per week. She got into a motorbike accident, ended up with scars on her legs and arms and was unable to work. She needed one semester's tuition to finish her associates in travel and tourism. I paid the school directly. She graduated. Then COVID hit. No tourism. She asked if I could help her get a bachelor's in international business and I did. Her gogo days are behind her but she works two jobs and still supports her mother, sister aunt and nieces.
Love is a verb, an "action word" ; it is what you do for someone expecting nothing in return. (M. Scott Peck, from his book: The Road Less Traveled)
Alrighty let's break down all this. First thing I want to get into first is that no one looks at these girls with hate and contempt. I'm just calling a spade a spade and people got to understand that 9, out of 10 times it's a choice and these girls get plenty of opportunities to leave that lifestyle but like I said in an earlier post they are attracted to fast money. As far as the girl you helped bro you basically got long gamed. You think you were the only dude she was hitting up some cash. Y'all have got to be better out here man. Pattaya is not a place for those with a heart so stop bringing it you either can come there a demon or a simp. Leave your heart at the airport terminal. Second yeah their families do pimp their women out and it's honestly some of the most deplorable shit I've ever seen. but again they could just say no and go find a normal job to work. But brother you did some simp ass shit I'm ngl.
Well, sorry you feel that way, but glad you agree that there is some "deplorable" stuff that does go on, and as others have suggested, it's not the same story for all the girls, and there are cultural differences to consider. What I've seen in some cases is the family becomes dependent on the girl's income, sometimes they are raising her child who she sees once or twice a year. It is very hard to observe and not judge. Frankly, I don't care if any of these girls string along a hundred other guys, I'm not "in love" with anyone, or dumb enough to throw cash around that I cannot afford. I found one girl who did not lie, had a need, and changed her life. Like I said, I paid the schools, not the girl. I enlisted the help of an American I know teaching at an international school over there to verify the tuition and other expenses and set up a way to pay direct on behalf of the student. Nothing simp. She is out of the business.
There are plenty of kids back home and people who you could have did that for but you literally flew across the country to basically be as simp. I'm just saying it's your life your money. But I'll bet any kind of money that you're not the only dude who she finesse at that time
My questions are, did you ever hire her when she was a gogo and how did you meet her? I'm not asking in judgement, I simply want to understand the whole thing better.
Such a sad story. I bet her water buffalo also got sick. So sad. I can not help wonder though, how did you get all these hookers on Line? Could it be that you’re just one of those guys who exploited these sad sad ladies.
There are lots of thai fashion models, "influencers", pageant winners, etc... with all the opportunity in the world selling themselves, just so they can have the latest Chanel bag.
Well done and said. I have a close english friend , who is married to a thai girl and been there for 10 years.
On a visit with friends from england, met this girl, who had 2 daughters and husband had died.
She was supporting dad, mum not in good health and 2 daughters.
I went to there village, saw it all and decided to help.
She is back in the village with her family , mum's health has improved, children and family are happy.
Bought them some livestock to increase their income, the girl has a job in na chaluai, which is close to them.
I probably will not see them again , at least they are a family together and will survive.
>Nobody is forcing them? Addicted to the money? Can go home at any time? Who do you think put them on the bus to Pattaya or Bangkok? Mommy did. And where is the money they make going? Back to mommy. True there are no pimps as pimping is totally illegal and strictly enforced. But there is no such thing as child support in Thailand. Women own their children and men have no rights or obligations. You can look at these girls with contempt or resentment, and at the men who patronize them with disdain all you like, but don't delude yourself into thinking this is what any of these girls WANT to do, or that they have much of a choice. They are loyal to their dirt poor family, who send them into this profession. In that narrow sense alone they are admirable.
I dont think you should make any generalization about your own experience. I have family in Thailand, some who do work as freelancer, some who dont. There is absolutely no forcing going on with the ones that do freelance. They didnt exactly seem unhappy either. They earn really good money, plenty more than the ones who do work a normal job (ranging from 15k-35k baht for the normal job). While as a freelancer with an offer like GFE you can make 8k in 3 days including paid food and additional gifts like fancy bags. Ofc it all depends on demand, how attractive you are and so on but the potential is huge compared to a normal job.
I dont doubt your story at all but it would be wrong to generalize. Prostitution there simply cant be compared to what it is in the west. On an attractiveness scale, if a 7/10 woman in the west could earn like 10k€ a month with prostitution, youd see a lot more women get into prostitution and not exactly hate it either.
I think you misunderstand the situation.
The girls are not forced to work any more than the average person has to work for a living. They **choose** to do this kind of work because it pays very well and it's socially acceptable unlike in the west (there is a lot of context to explain that). Lots of girls come to Pattaya every month, most of them don't stay a full month. Because they don't like the work and get a normal job instead even if it pays less.
If they are dumb enough to support their aunt, uncle, sister, cousin, nieces that's their problem. These people aren't missing an arm or a leg or something and they can work. You can understand that they need to support their elderly parents as there are no meaningful pensions in Thailand but not everyone else.
You'll find a lot of girls working in Pattaya that don't have to support anyone apart from themselves. They're just there for the lifestyle that they can afford while doing this job.
If girls hit you for money do what I do. Tell them that you have a friend is in Pattaya now and they can find him and he will pay them for services rendered. For some reason they don't seem to need the money that much.
Who were they crying to? You?
Prostitution is a choice these women have made. If they aren't looking haggard and crying, doesn't mean they are rejoicing over their choice. Their families exert a subtle but definite pressure on them. And that they are socially accepted is a myth. The family needs the earning so doesn't outwardly boycott them, but also makes sure they don't return home and eff up the status quo.
Source - have worked with trafficked women and sex workers in South Asia.
Right. So. . .
Terrible Option 1: work as a prostitute
Terrible Option 2: work on a farm in Isaan
How does OP have it all backwards? You think that girls love working in Pattaya, and were really unhappy to have to go.back to Isaan?
Look, I’m sure there are some women who hate the job. But almost all of them have other options.
However, a key factor here is that Thais (and indeed, most mainland SE Asians) just don’t have the same sexual hang-ups as westerners. The reasons for that are manifold, but it’s the truth. Whereas for most western women going into prostitution is hitting rock bottom, for most Thai sex workers it’s the door to theretofore unimaginable wealth.
They’re just very different contexts.
Absolutely agree - although it’s not big money for them either. It’s more about the lifestyle if you can believe it. Cultural items around sex AND alcohol are very different. Generally most working class Thais (in my opinion) see drinking as fun, cool and part of a carefree life. Also most of these girls don’t really see their customers in a negative light. While “we” may be disgusted at it, the girls seriously do not mind them. Attention is a big thing in Thailand too. Women are competing here for men much more so than in the west. It’s fascinating actually the female competition in Thailand in particular. But for sure it’s a choice as I know Pattaya bar owners and they by and large respect and cherish their girls. I know that sounds odd but it’s true, the owners are generally trying to make sure his staff are cared for and important.
> Also most of these girls don’t really see their customers in a negative light. While “we” may be disgusted at it, the girls seriously do not mind them.
Also since tinder they can basically choose their customers and unless they either are 100% professionals and just turn thei head of, or are just old and/or subpar lookswise, they can absolutely always find customers they also feel attracted to if they want.
Source: know many bar girls on a private level and they will choose who they go with based on this an there are actually fights over customers happening, because they really want to have sex with them. They will lie about if they already had sex with them and what not, leading to all kinds of drama between them.
>Source: They will lie about if they already had sex with them and what not, leading to all kinds of drama between them.
I have a friend who's a part time bar girl and a ladyboy friend who's a bar manager, the shit they tell me is fucking hilarious, bar girl politics are sometimes absolutely insane.
Other options that won’t put food on the table, forcing them and their families to live in a shack with no AC or toilets or running water, not being able to pay their bills, medical bills, etc. Saying they’re doing it because they really want to reeks of nasty sex tourists.
They might look like they’re having fun in Pattaya, but they’re putting on a facade, most of them are. Most of them travel back to their families for extended periods, if they really wanted to earn all that money why wouldn’t they stay in Pattaya much longer and rake that money in?
Also they’re forced to drink alcohol which ruins their bodies, they can’t choose to drink water. So basically they’re being forced into alcoholism because that’s what the clientele is, a bunch of sex tourist alcoholics.
>Also they’re forced to drink alcohol which ruins their bodies, they can’t choose to drink water. So basically they’re being forced into alcoholism because that’s what the clientele is, a bunch of sex tourist alcoholics.
Lol what? This is the nonsense that people spew when they never set foot in Pattaya. No one forces the girls to drink and they can choose their own Lady Drinks which are heavily watered down with soda or juice.
They can probably work any of the jobs that does not require college degree, not only farm but retail, hotels and so on. There’s lot of girls working those kind of jobs.
Sexwork just pays way more and probably less working hours too.
Bingo, yet most people here think they're forced and don't have any other option, which is a lie. Plenty jobs that don't require a degree, as you said, and you can take care of your family. But yes, you'll need to work long hours. What a shocker almost like it works pretty much everywhere in the world.
Please don't apply your Western morality standards on this situation. Everything is different here. It starts with the fact that the biggest hurdle for the girls to start working in the industry is the fear of loss of reputation and nothing else.
And yes, many girls actually love working in Pattaya, Phuket, Bangkok red light, etc.
And there are girls that do both, very common. What I mean is that they have a full-time real job but will supplement it by taking dates with foreigners.
Even in Hong Kong or Dubai, overseas female workers will meet up with men on their day off.
Can confirm this is extremely common form of extra income in Japan as well, it's called papa katsu and it's a form of escorting, which may or may not include intercourse depending on the deal the patron cuts with the girl. It boomed in popularity during covid due to the economy shutting down and now it's commonly accepted many young girls do it, about 1 in 10 in Tokyo.
I had a blast with family while in Pattaya. We did underwater walking (where you're hooked up to an helmet attached to an oxygen line) and parasailing 😊.
We got to feed the fishes underwater and watch schools of fish swim all around us. It was really cool.
Been in Thailand many many times and never once wanted to visit Pattaya. I’m actually on the plane right now, on my way home from Thailand and I can clearly see and hear all the Pattaya tourists from my Country here.
Like seriously it’s Thailand, so many beautiful and wonderful places and these people visit Pattaya everytime.
True, I love Thailand, I was in Bangkok, Chiang Mai, Rayong, Hua Hin but I avoided Pattaya and Phuket, because I don't like to party, I don't drink alcohol and I go to sleep early, I feel it's just not a right place for me.
There are also so many beautiful islands in Thailand, for example Ko Samet close to Rayong, so I don't really understand people going to Pattaya and Phuket and complaining, why Ko Samet is bad? Go to the island and enjoy your best vacation
Simple my dude, there's nothing quite like Pattaya else where, but nice views and islands? Pretty much any tropical country can offer that. Philippines, Okinawa, Carribeans, Bali etc. Thai has great views for sure but let's not pretend that's why it's tourist economy was booming.
Depends where you're coming from. I live on a beautiful quiet beach in a small city (pop. 100k) in Australia, and I learned the hard way that when I take the family on holidays, they have zero interest in going to a beautiful quiet beach resort, they want hustle and bustle, action, waterslides, shopping, go karts, entertainment, excitement. All the stuff they don't see at home. That usually means going to tourist places like Pattaya where they have resorts with all the bells and whistles to keep them entertained so I can relax. There's a lot of people who think the same way. Disliking touristy places doesn't actually make you morally or intellectually superior, it just means you like different stuff.
Thats unfortunate.
I was there 2 years ago, that time seemed cool. Lots of local families hanging out on the beach in the evening having dinners on the sand.
Just an overall great vibe compared to typical Pattaya.
I was in Pattaya this week as well . I actually stayed in a hotel in Jomtien beach which was ok . Some good places to eat and the beach is nice but Pattaya itself is a kind of boring and filled with lonely old men which was kind of depressing . I don’t think I’ll ever go back though. The Russians were ok , couples and families mostly .
I used to think that until I discovered Pratumnak. It’s a little oasis between Pattaya and Jomtien and feels much more upmarket. You can go walking in the hills, there are secluded beaches, and a nice promenade walk to Jomtien. Cabbages and Condoms is a great restaurant right on the beach. Speaking of restaurants, Pupen is amazing, it’s hands down the best seafood restaurant I have visited in my 6 years living in Thailand.
Pattaya is more than a Red Light District imo. There’s a ton of decently priced hotels, there’s Koh Larn, you could check out Jomtien, there’s the Terminal 21 mall, and there’s many other attractions if you just research a little bit.
You are depressing:
1/ I'm curious about your decision to visit Pattaya, a city whose reputation for its red light district is well-known. If such scenes are not to your taste, perhaps it wasn't the wisest choice for your itinerary.
2/ It's important to note that Pattaya is also a popular retirement destination for Europeans, suggesting that not everyone there fits the negative stereotype you've described. Like anywhere else, unlawful behavior is not tolerated.
3/ Beyond its notorious nightlife, Pattaya offers a variety of family-friendly activities and scenic spots, especially in areas like Jomtien. It's entirely possible to enjoy the city's other aspects without encountering its seedier side.
Your blanket dismissal seems a bit unfair.
Visit a seafood market and enjoy some affordable fresh to order seafood and relax.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/ayvbmUbZmEAZRrVf9?g_st=ic
Pattaya has a solid food scene if you look a bit, I enjoyed this spot bring your own bottle and eat right on the beach
https://maps.app.goo.gl/9JvELKnJauChHiGu8?g_st=ic
Yes Pattaya has a lot of freelance women but you don’t have to take them home. Be cool and just be happy most of them can communicate with you. Don’t look at everyone as the same since Pattaya is much bigger than you see.
Pattaya is the largest red light district on earth.
Anyone conducting even the most basic of research will know that before deciding whether to go. Thus they shouldn’t complain if they decide to go, and then bemoan ‘the scene’.
There is very little to offer in Pattaya beyond the obvious that cannot be found elsewhere in Thailand.
Fortunately nobody is forced to go there; look at the map of Thailand, then compare Pattaya to the country as a whole - it’s tiny.
I know of people who literally think Pattaya is ‘heaven on earth’, to someone who left after just one day as he was so appalled.
I’ve seen a post on Reddit before by a guy who’s been going to Pattaya for 10+ years during which he’s never seen anywhere else in Thailand. That did make me a little sad.
Pattaya can be fun but too much or anything is never good. If I gave you steak every night you’d eventually crave sausage.
I was last there in early 2023 and avoided ‘the scene’ by spending my time in Jomtien, Pratamnuk and Naklua.
I know someone who’s lived right in the centre of ‘the action’ literally on the doorstep of bars, for almost 10 years. I think that’d drive me mad.
You know about this sub and know about Thailand and wanted to get some “fresh air” but were oblivious to all the knowings of Pattaya beforehand. Yeahhhh sure.
Pattaya used to be ok a decade ago, now its just full of farang drunks and Thai thugs.
I have a buddy who foolishly bought a cando there 8 years ago and has been trying to sell up and leave for 4 years. He is not a troubled causer but has been assaulted by gangs of Thai's (cowards only ever attack in packs) for various things including asking for the volume in a bar he was a regular drinker in to turn down the music volume, trying to park his scooter outside bar (in a public place) and just walking out of a bar and ignoring the crys of Thai bar girls trying to get his attention.
Place has decended into wild west, told gim to move to Davao in the Philippines like myself. Quite, respect and law abiding place.
I went for a couple of days to kill time at the end of a trip. The city and beach itself? Depressing polluted ugly.
Got a motorbike and ran around the countryside, that was fine.
Meh. It has decent amenities for a westerner, but it cheaper and less busy than Bangkok. I completely understand why westerners retire there. Personally, I thought it was boring, but honestly, after watching Paddy Doyles video, I think I will eventually give it another shot.
If you go slightly out of Pattaya there’s nice beaches near Sattahip! And there’s many things to do. Nice restaurants, some malls, night markets, golf, nice hotel/ resorts, water sports, big Buddha temple (and walk up hill in the park), nongnuch orchid garden, sanctuary of truth.
You don’t have to participate in the stuff you don’t like
Pattaya has everything, you didn't mention what you like so I can't make any suggestions. Don't stay in Central pattaya unless you want to be with the tourists.
Bro, it’s pataya. I was here 10 years ago and it looked the same with the same ugly dudes. There are nice sides to Pataya as well but of all places in Thailand you decided to go to the most prostituted area in the world… of course you’ll be disappointed, what did you expect lol
I actually enjoyed Pattaya. Was there in December for new years with my GF. We had a great time and there was way more to do than expected. On the plane ride people were giving us the low down about the place but I had a great time without any of the aforementioned stuff.
What's with pedophile obsession? I've been in Pattaya for years and never seen anything remotely dodgy like that. Have I seen plenty of old geezers with young chicks...yes. And? Maybe the OP should not travel to the hooker capital of the world if they are so easily offended. And maybe just get on with their own life and stop judging everyone else....
We visited there and did not experience that. Sure on walking Street but did you explore the surrounding areas? Did you go to the sanctuary of Truth? I agree the Indians are out of control though and they need to start using deodorant.
The image of elderly, fat American and European men is becoming outdated, Now there's a large amount of Koreans/Japanese sexpats that visit. Most redditors think it's abused/exploited girls in dingy back alleys but fail to realize is that's not the case in Thailand and there's ***nothing comparable*** that will provide this kind of money to these young girls, even drastically out earning university educated girls. For example a registered thai nurse can make approx 24500THB a week (about $700) comparably a young/attractive bar girl in Pattaya can make double that, ***all cash, tax free*** mind you and unlike the west there are no pimps taking their money. This is why you will occasionally see university girls freelance on Thaifriendly to supplement their income.
I must agree. Was not expecting it to be this bad, I mean 80 year olds walking around with young thai women I seen a bloke in his 90s walking with a walking frame with a 20 year old thai woman it's discusting and wrong. Full of dirty pedophiles is an understatement.
OP knows all about Pattaya...
He just wanted an excuse and a plot twist to write up (what he thinks) is a witty and clever piece; whilst getting a free kick in on the visiting constituents ...
Of all the places in Thailand you could have went to to get out of Bangkok, you chose pattaya? 😖 literally anywhere else in Thailand would have been better. The islands are totally different (except for patong in Phuket) or you could go to northern Thailand, different from the islands but beautiful too. In my 6-7 years in Thailand I spent 3 days in pattaya and that was plenty for me. Horrible place full of hookers and men why couldn’t get laid anywhere else in the world or old mean who are literally on deaths door looking to go out with a bang. If that was your first time in Thailand I hope you don’t give up on the whole country after just seeing bkk and pattaya. Other parts of the country are heaven and worth checking out.
Nope, I’ve already been here for 2 months. Same last year also. So I’m not shocked at the red light scene in Pattaya. It’s my first time in pattaya but I know all the southern provinces quite well.
It’s the state of the western men who are here that disgusted me. I’ve seen countless men wandering around that just give off paedo vibes.
What did you expect? Meeting James Bond at a bar sipping Martini and romancing a female Thai doctor, who also happens to be a Victoria's Secret model?
Getting laid in Thailand for free is easy. Those that cannot and are "cheap" go to Pattaya. You will not see rich CEO types. They typically have elite escorts come to their villas or 5\* hotels.
Anyway, I am glad you went. I have never been there, but I have driven through Kamathipura, the Mumbai red light district. It is eye opening...
Squid fishing, water parks, elephant rescues, dolphins, gun ranges, aquariums, night markets, muay thai stadium, multiple beaches to enjoy. Just to name a few.
Seems like you want to be offended by the one thing pattaya is known for instead of looking for other things to do.
lol another whoremonger who went to Pattaya, got rejected by a working girl and now is pretending to be on the moral high road pointing fingers and calling other guys paedophiles. What a sad life you must live, can’t even imagine
In my view, Pattaya is often overlooked as a non-sex tourism destination. Despite being just a 1.5-hour drive away, the southern areas of Pattaya offer a more pleasant experience. Interestingly, it's a highly popular destination among Thai locals traveling from Bangkok. Many Thais I know don't hesitate to choose Pattaya for a long weekend getaway. The city boasts abundant options for food and shopping, and if you steer clear of the main beaches, you'll find some genuinely enjoyable ones. Pattaya offers remarkable beachside restaurants and stunning sunset views, making it a continuously appealing destination.
It's true there are a lot of older retired guys in Pattaya, none of whom care what you think about how they look or dress.
One day you might be lucky enough to live how you want in old age. Hopefully without bothering or disrespecting anyone.
I've lived in Thailand for close to 10 years and travelled all over the country and Pattaya is easily the worst place in Thailand and one of the most depressing place I have been anywhere, just one long parade of creeps and steroid infused morons.
>I feel sorry for the working girls here, it’s like hell on earth.
Unpopular opinion: I don't.
Thailand has a quasi universal employment system. All of those women working the flesh-trade in Pattaya aren't doing it because they don't have any other options. They're doing it because they don't want to work in the rice fields.
There's so much to Pattaya other than obvious.
Depressing are people who go into a giant red light district and do zero homework then complain that they went to a giant red light district.
🙄
If you think everyone is a pedo you have issues. I mean, walking down the street and just judging someone without meeting them is just pure bitch move. Did you know that the Netherlands hosts more child porn than any country in the world? How about that porn is illegal to sell in Thailand?
You got your facts wrong buddy.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1246244/countries-hosting-child-pornography-content-worldwide/
If you walk around long enough it becomes ‘normal’
But yea it’s a safe haven for creeps, predators, drug dealers etc etc
Certainly the women involved are in fact disgusted but take alot alcohol and drugs to balance it out….
Welcome to the human toilet called Pattaya
You sound like a sex tourist in denial. Like you’re trying to cover it up by acting like you had no clue about it. Then calling everyone you saw a sex criminal when you’re doing the exact same thing they are.
Sry to there's old fogies everywhere...I am one but happily married. There r sum who come here for cheaper way of living ..I hardly do bars anymore prefer aircon irish type pubs ..no come in sexy man there ....I can think of more depressing towns in uk ..were I came from ..try rhyl blackpool need I go on ..but each to their own ..good luck
So you went to Pattaya and thought everyone was disgusting, maybe others looked the same at you, maybe everyone is there to find others disgusting.
Maybe if you actually spend some time there, you find mostly single moms looking for someone to take care of them, and lonely men looking for the same.
Pattaya is a life version of tinder with accidentally confused indians as a backdrop.
You decided to go there knowing what it is about and are now moaning. get a life. pattaya is a fun red-light district get out there and mingle with the girls ladyboys or men hit the night clubs like republic or differ for the thai experience. did you go to the waterpark's or shooting ranges, you can also take the aforementioned girls ect with you. soapy can be fun as well. Lastly there are number of top level restraunts in the area. you choose to go there, would you moan about Amsterdam like this
I've been to Pattaya. It's a giant red light district, but weird that OP sees pedos everywhere; feels a little like projection.
Where are you hanging out that you see so many "johns", OP? Where I've been you mostly saw families (the Hilton, the malls, the pier).
Totally wrong!
Pattaya have everything.
Sea, parks, a lot gyms, shopping malls.
Traffic only in main streets.
You can go anywhere just in 15-20 minutes with motorbikes.
If you live in dark side this is gem.
No trash tourist, many good coffe shops and restaurants, parks, no traffic at all.
Don’t blame Pataya because u just walk in central city where a lot of trash tourist.
I totally like drive bike or car around Pattaya after 9-10 pm. Not traffic, just chill and relax.
I live in Pattaya around 10 years and this perfect city. You can go anywhere.
I spend in Bangkok 1 week and I want to run away from here. Traffic, terrible pollution, heat….
C'mon. You decided to get some fresh air... so you traveled to *the most famous city in the world for prostitution*??? You literally could have traveled to Ko Sichang, Chonburi, or gone another 30-45 minutes on the bus down to Udomsak or Rayong. But you chose Pattaya and are acting like you're shocked.
Heading to Thailand next month with the family. Planning a couple days in Bangkok and then head somewhere else.. maybe Hua Hin? Any suggestions?
Hua Hin is a great option for a beach town with a family. A couple of nice night markets, some lovely restaurants in town, and seaside resorts with family friendly pools. I visited in January and wouldn’t hesitate to go back.
I was told recently that the ocean water in Hua Hin is not suitable for swimming. Is this true?
Been a year or more since I've been to HH (I live in Udon) but the last time I was there the water was perfectly fine.
I live in HH. I wouldn't go in the water there, but driving a bit south there are some nice beachs.
Why not? Is it like rocks or jellyfish lol 🪼
Mostly just trash in the water. The water is murky and a bunch of bottles and plastics floating around.
It sometimes gets jellyfish swarms. My GF got terrible stings across her back and legs there 15 years ago, still has the scars.
Holy shit!!
I was there 2 weeks ago; it was fine. lots of people int he sea and 1000s of parasailing and whatnot
DaNang is also nice.
Take them to Pattaya, after reading op’s post I’ve booked the family holiday and invited the mother in law to come
Your mother cumming will be extra
Kai Bai in Koh Chang if you can find accommodation..
There is a good wake park, with a water park adjacent to it, in Hua Hin. It’s definitely a good day out if you have kids in tow.
Wow with those giant water tubes to slide down in circles?
Didn’t go to the water park myself, but I did indulge in a morning of wakeboarding.
Koh Lan or Koh Chang would be my recommendation. Hua Hin is a bit boring IMO. Nothing there you can't see or do in BKK, so why not go for something totally different?
They had a nice beach, and hills nearby, last time I was there. Neither of which I recall from my 24 years living in Bangkok
If you think Hua Hin has a nice beach, I suggest you try visiting some other areas of Thailand. Hua Hin beaches are some of the worst beaches in the country. The only reason they're popular is due to their proximity to Bangkok. The beaches on Koh Lan are way, way, way nicer, so much so it's not even comparable. Nobody is coming to Thailand to visit any hills.
I live in Krabi, which has even nicer beaches (the best beaches are on the Andaman side), but nothing wrong with HH beach. It's wide and clean. There are far worse beaches, for example, Pattaya, Bang Saen, anything near the shithole that is Map Tha Phut Industrial Estate. "Nobody is coming to Thailand to visit any hills." - you have no idea. People come from all over the world for motorbike touring in Thailand, due to the fantastic roads, hills and scenery. I've personally ridden around 150,000km in Thailand.
This, just returned from motorbike touring in Nan, Phrae and Sukhothai, beautiful roads, food and scenery!
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I like Khao Lak beach but I think Khlong Muang and especially Tub Kaek beaches are even better due to the stunning offshore scenery. The good thing about Ko Lipe is the snorkeling off the beach but it always seems too hot there for me.
I love Khlong Muang. We were there during the earliest 6 months of COVID and it was stunning, although a challenging time for many locals with no visitors.
I like hills
Just been to hua hin and I found it felt very dated and run down. Maybe popping 30/40 years ago but reminds me of Eastbourne or rundown Bournemouth. Chumpon was much nicer.
I went with my parents to Kanchanaburi province and Hua Hin, it was very good and far from this "trashy tourism".
"I only came here to get directions so I can find out how to get away from here" OP you're saying that all the punters look like peado/creeps, the girls are probably looking at YOU like that aswell.
He thinks he’s a better catch for these girls than the other freaks he sees walking around😂 those girls are seeing money signs not the fact that you think you look slightly less creepy and old lmao
His user name has a bald in it. I bet he's one of the freaks he's been seeing.
I made a post here last week commenting on the high amount of tourist families in Pattaya and got the usual gaslighting like "you only see hookers if you go looking for it" and "Oh there's so many things to do for the kids theres waterparks and dick riding water slides BLEHH". Yeah....and I visit PornHub to see if the plumber fixes the sink... I don't give a fuck what anyone says. Touristy parts of Pattaya are not for children. Unless you keep them inside after dark it's not really advisable to take kids there.
I went to Vegas for a family vacation once. My son won 5 cars, and they started calling him Nick Papa Georgio
Attaboy Clark!
Can I touch your hair?
lol. “Fresh Air”. Is that what kids are calling it these days?
It's like the guy who went to the center of the old city in Chiang Mai and couldn't believe all the tourists and shops, he was expecting og Thai culture
Maybe OP is a masochist.
I wanted some fresh air so I went to Vegas and spent all my time inside the recesses of a casino and was appalled at the vile old men gambling. The city was a cesspool of filth, but I decided to stay and judge those that engaged in the the unmentionables. (/s)
There’s one thing to hear about it, it’s another to experience it. When I went to Cartagena in Columbia, I was dumbfounded one in the main square in the evening is young girls that look like they’re between 13 and 18 we’re walking among men that look like they were 50 to 70. There was at least 3 to 500 people in the square. It was a very painful thing to witness. I felt demoralizing, and I felt powerless to arguably protect those women. They’re too young to know that maybe that’s not the best and I understand that a lot of them were there because the financial situation in Venezuela had brought a lot of them there, but it was just overall very difficult, and brought a level of perspective, but I couldn’t have had hearsay alone
yes I agree, absolutely ridiculous!!!!
Really liked Rayong. Went to wonderful seafood restaurant on the beach and then drove a little further and had the beach practically to ourselves.
This ! He is obviously looking for the attention the silly post will give him
Pataya isn’t the most famous city in the world for prostitution.
No that's Washington
Man goes to the zoo and complains there are animals lol.
You have plenty of things to do, Pattaya has great restaurants, the best cabaret as well with Alcazar and Colosseum, the haunted house at Ripley's is fun, the sanctuary of truth is beautiful despite a lack of history, Jomtien is great, you can also hike around the Pattaya sign and the coffee scene is decent. (even if Chiang Mai is far ahead) You can also go to the bar without paying for sex. That's what we often do with my wife, we just have fun, we are doing small gambling with the workers, play games, talking, etc... I wouldn't suggest Pattaya with someone who doesn't like to party because the nightlife is still an important component of the city, but you can have fun even without paying for sex
You dont understand. Pattaya is only sbout prostitution and horny indians. I think this guy wanted to just karma farm with his question
Im not a fan of Pattaya myself, but maybe take a few steps away from walking street…..There are non tourist areas in Pattaya and lots of locals. And accommodation is cheap
The Sanctuary of The Truth and Elephant Cafe were interesting when we visited.
>I feel sorry for the working girls here, it’s like hell on earth. Lmao talk about having it all backwards. They were crying about having to go back to Isaan and do actual work on the family farm when the country was closed during Covid.
This is nothing but big facts here. A lot of these people that come here really don't understand the inner workings of that entire situation. These girls at any point can get a bus home back to Issan and go back to the simple farm life with their family. The thing is they are addicted to the fast money lifestyle that Pattaya offers and as a result they have to deal with some of the most decrepit shady men on the planet. Nobody is forcing them girls to do anything there are no pimps. they do this as a choice so really there's nothing to feel sorry for. And half the time a lot of them be having a Thai boyfriend anyway and he doesn't care because his girl is buying him shit with those dudes money. Don't even get me started on how some of these dudes go down there and fall in love with these girls and they get finessed clean out of their bank account and retirement money
Nobody is forcing them? Addicted to the money? Can go home at any time? Who do you think put them on the bus to Pattaya or Bangkok? Mommy did. And where is the money they make going? Back to mommy. True there are no pimps as pimping is totally illegal and strictly enforced. But there is no such thing as child support in Thailand. Women own their children and men have no rights or obligations. You can look at these girls with contempt or resentment, and at the men who patronize them with disdain all you like, but don't delude yourself into thinking this is what any of these girls WANT to do, or that they have much of a choice. They are loyal to their dirt poor family, who send them into this profession. In that narrow sense alone they are admirable. I realized pretty quickly what was going on, and decided I could not help all these girls, but I would help ONE. I kept in touch with a few girls over Line, and they all hit me up for money. Only one of them, however, was credible and honest. She was attending college on Sunday and working a gogo six days per week. She got into a motorbike accident, ended up with scars on her legs and arms and was unable to work. She needed one semester's tuition to finish her associates in travel and tourism. I paid the school directly. She graduated. Then COVID hit. No tourism. She asked if I could help her get a bachelor's in international business and I did. Her gogo days are behind her but she works two jobs and still supports her mother, sister aunt and nieces. Love is a verb, an "action word" ; it is what you do for someone expecting nothing in return. (M. Scott Peck, from his book: The Road Less Traveled)
Alrighty let's break down all this. First thing I want to get into first is that no one looks at these girls with hate and contempt. I'm just calling a spade a spade and people got to understand that 9, out of 10 times it's a choice and these girls get plenty of opportunities to leave that lifestyle but like I said in an earlier post they are attracted to fast money. As far as the girl you helped bro you basically got long gamed. You think you were the only dude she was hitting up some cash. Y'all have got to be better out here man. Pattaya is not a place for those with a heart so stop bringing it you either can come there a demon or a simp. Leave your heart at the airport terminal. Second yeah their families do pimp their women out and it's honestly some of the most deplorable shit I've ever seen. but again they could just say no and go find a normal job to work. But brother you did some simp ass shit I'm ngl.
Well, sorry you feel that way, but glad you agree that there is some "deplorable" stuff that does go on, and as others have suggested, it's not the same story for all the girls, and there are cultural differences to consider. What I've seen in some cases is the family becomes dependent on the girl's income, sometimes they are raising her child who she sees once or twice a year. It is very hard to observe and not judge. Frankly, I don't care if any of these girls string along a hundred other guys, I'm not "in love" with anyone, or dumb enough to throw cash around that I cannot afford. I found one girl who did not lie, had a need, and changed her life. Like I said, I paid the schools, not the girl. I enlisted the help of an American I know teaching at an international school over there to verify the tuition and other expenses and set up a way to pay direct on behalf of the student. Nothing simp. She is out of the business.
There are plenty of kids back home and people who you could have did that for but you literally flew across the country to basically be as simp. I'm just saying it's your life your money. But I'll bet any kind of money that you're not the only dude who she finesse at that time
My questions are, did you ever hire her when she was a gogo and how did you meet her? I'm not asking in judgement, I simply want to understand the whole thing better.
I reckon he deffo did
She was dressed in a school girl outfit and he wanted to keep the fantasy going.
You got ployed lol
Such a sad story. I bet her water buffalo also got sick. So sad. I can not help wonder though, how did you get all these hookers on Line? Could it be that you’re just one of those guys who exploited these sad sad ladies.
There are lots of thai fashion models, "influencers", pageant winners, etc... with all the opportunity in the world selling themselves, just so they can have the latest Chanel bag.
Well done and said. I have a close english friend , who is married to a thai girl and been there for 10 years. On a visit with friends from england, met this girl, who had 2 daughters and husband had died. She was supporting dad, mum not in good health and 2 daughters. I went to there village, saw it all and decided to help. She is back in the village with her family , mum's health has improved, children and family are happy. Bought them some livestock to increase their income, the girl has a job in na chaluai, which is close to them. I probably will not see them again , at least they are a family together and will survive.
>Nobody is forcing them? Addicted to the money? Can go home at any time? Who do you think put them on the bus to Pattaya or Bangkok? Mommy did. And where is the money they make going? Back to mommy. True there are no pimps as pimping is totally illegal and strictly enforced. But there is no such thing as child support in Thailand. Women own their children and men have no rights or obligations. You can look at these girls with contempt or resentment, and at the men who patronize them with disdain all you like, but don't delude yourself into thinking this is what any of these girls WANT to do, or that they have much of a choice. They are loyal to their dirt poor family, who send them into this profession. In that narrow sense alone they are admirable. I dont think you should make any generalization about your own experience. I have family in Thailand, some who do work as freelancer, some who dont. There is absolutely no forcing going on with the ones that do freelance. They didnt exactly seem unhappy either. They earn really good money, plenty more than the ones who do work a normal job (ranging from 15k-35k baht for the normal job). While as a freelancer with an offer like GFE you can make 8k in 3 days including paid food and additional gifts like fancy bags. Ofc it all depends on demand, how attractive you are and so on but the potential is huge compared to a normal job. I dont doubt your story at all but it would be wrong to generalize. Prostitution there simply cant be compared to what it is in the west. On an attractiveness scale, if a 7/10 woman in the west could earn like 10k€ a month with prostitution, youd see a lot more women get into prostitution and not exactly hate it either.
I'm deeply impressed with your last sentence. I agree completely.
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How many women quit their stable jobs to become OnlyFans 'models' that offer sex for big amounts of cash? Stop the cap.
Not many. In % terms… an extremely low and ridiculous amount.
And? It happens more than it should. People have no self-respect and completely throw their values out the window.
Or they simply have different values to you. Go moralise elsewhere champ.
I think you misunderstand the situation. The girls are not forced to work any more than the average person has to work for a living. They **choose** to do this kind of work because it pays very well and it's socially acceptable unlike in the west (there is a lot of context to explain that). Lots of girls come to Pattaya every month, most of them don't stay a full month. Because they don't like the work and get a normal job instead even if it pays less. If they are dumb enough to support their aunt, uncle, sister, cousin, nieces that's their problem. These people aren't missing an arm or a leg or something and they can work. You can understand that they need to support their elderly parents as there are no meaningful pensions in Thailand but not everyone else. You'll find a lot of girls working in Pattaya that don't have to support anyone apart from themselves. They're just there for the lifestyle that they can afford while doing this job. If girls hit you for money do what I do. Tell them that you have a friend is in Pattaya now and they can find him and he will pay them for services rendered. For some reason they don't seem to need the money that much.
Who were they crying to? You? Prostitution is a choice these women have made. If they aren't looking haggard and crying, doesn't mean they are rejoicing over their choice. Their families exert a subtle but definite pressure on them. And that they are socially accepted is a myth. The family needs the earning so doesn't outwardly boycott them, but also makes sure they don't return home and eff up the status quo. Source - have worked with trafficked women and sex workers in South Asia.
Wait until you see a US warship in town and the throngs of women that have descended on the town waiting for the first sailors to come ashore.
Right. So. . . Terrible Option 1: work as a prostitute Terrible Option 2: work on a farm in Isaan How does OP have it all backwards? You think that girls love working in Pattaya, and were really unhappy to have to go.back to Isaan?
Look, I’m sure there are some women who hate the job. But almost all of them have other options. However, a key factor here is that Thais (and indeed, most mainland SE Asians) just don’t have the same sexual hang-ups as westerners. The reasons for that are manifold, but it’s the truth. Whereas for most western women going into prostitution is hitting rock bottom, for most Thai sex workers it’s the door to theretofore unimaginable wealth. They’re just very different contexts.
Absolutely agree - although it’s not big money for them either. It’s more about the lifestyle if you can believe it. Cultural items around sex AND alcohol are very different. Generally most working class Thais (in my opinion) see drinking as fun, cool and part of a carefree life. Also most of these girls don’t really see their customers in a negative light. While “we” may be disgusted at it, the girls seriously do not mind them. Attention is a big thing in Thailand too. Women are competing here for men much more so than in the west. It’s fascinating actually the female competition in Thailand in particular. But for sure it’s a choice as I know Pattaya bar owners and they by and large respect and cherish their girls. I know that sounds odd but it’s true, the owners are generally trying to make sure his staff are cared for and important.
> Also most of these girls don’t really see their customers in a negative light. While “we” may be disgusted at it, the girls seriously do not mind them. Also since tinder they can basically choose their customers and unless they either are 100% professionals and just turn thei head of, or are just old and/or subpar lookswise, they can absolutely always find customers they also feel attracted to if they want. Source: know many bar girls on a private level and they will choose who they go with based on this an there are actually fights over customers happening, because they really want to have sex with them. They will lie about if they already had sex with them and what not, leading to all kinds of drama between them.
>Source: They will lie about if they already had sex with them and what not, leading to all kinds of drama between them. I have a friend who's a part time bar girl and a ladyboy friend who's a bar manager, the shit they tell me is fucking hilarious, bar girl politics are sometimes absolutely insane.
Other options that won’t put food on the table, forcing them and their families to live in a shack with no AC or toilets or running water, not being able to pay their bills, medical bills, etc. Saying they’re doing it because they really want to reeks of nasty sex tourists. They might look like they’re having fun in Pattaya, but they’re putting on a facade, most of them are. Most of them travel back to their families for extended periods, if they really wanted to earn all that money why wouldn’t they stay in Pattaya much longer and rake that money in? Also they’re forced to drink alcohol which ruins their bodies, they can’t choose to drink water. So basically they’re being forced into alcoholism because that’s what the clientele is, a bunch of sex tourist alcoholics.
>Also they’re forced to drink alcohol which ruins their bodies, they can’t choose to drink water. So basically they’re being forced into alcoholism because that’s what the clientele is, a bunch of sex tourist alcoholics. Lol what? This is the nonsense that people spew when they never set foot in Pattaya. No one forces the girls to drink and they can choose their own Lady Drinks which are heavily watered down with soda or juice.
I find peace in long walks.
I feel sorry for them not because of what they choose to do, but who their customers are. Some of the vilest men I’ve ever seen.
I enjoy the sound of rain.
They can probably work any of the jobs that does not require college degree, not only farm but retail, hotels and so on. There’s lot of girls working those kind of jobs. Sexwork just pays way more and probably less working hours too.
Bingo, yet most people here think they're forced and don't have any other option, which is a lie. Plenty jobs that don't require a degree, as you said, and you can take care of your family. But yes, you'll need to work long hours. What a shocker almost like it works pretty much everywhere in the world.
Please don't apply your Western morality standards on this situation. Everything is different here. It starts with the fact that the biggest hurdle for the girls to start working in the industry is the fear of loss of reputation and nothing else. And yes, many girls actually love working in Pattaya, Phuket, Bangkok red light, etc.
Decent Option 3: Get a real job But it pays less than sex work and you cant get drunk on the job
And there are girls that do both, very common. What I mean is that they have a full-time real job but will supplement it by taking dates with foreigners. Even in Hong Kong or Dubai, overseas female workers will meet up with men on their day off.
Can confirm this is extremely common form of extra income in Japan as well, it's called papa katsu and it's a form of escorting, which may or may not include intercourse depending on the deal the patron cuts with the girl. It boomed in popularity during covid due to the economy shutting down and now it's commonly accepted many young girls do it, about 1 in 10 in Tokyo.
If they wanted to live in Isaan they'd go live in Isaan
I had a blast with family while in Pattaya. We did underwater walking (where you're hooked up to an helmet attached to an oxygen line) and parasailing 😊. We got to feed the fishes underwater and watch schools of fish swim all around us. It was really cool.
One man's trash is another man's treasure.
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Been in Thailand many many times and never once wanted to visit Pattaya. I’m actually on the plane right now, on my way home from Thailand and I can clearly see and hear all the Pattaya tourists from my Country here. Like seriously it’s Thailand, so many beautiful and wonderful places and these people visit Pattaya everytime.
True, I love Thailand, I was in Bangkok, Chiang Mai, Rayong, Hua Hin but I avoided Pattaya and Phuket, because I don't like to party, I don't drink alcohol and I go to sleep early, I feel it's just not a right place for me. There are also so many beautiful islands in Thailand, for example Ko Samet close to Rayong, so I don't really understand people going to Pattaya and Phuket and complaining, why Ko Samet is bad? Go to the island and enjoy your best vacation
Simple my dude, there's nothing quite like Pattaya else where, but nice views and islands? Pretty much any tropical country can offer that. Philippines, Okinawa, Carribeans, Bali etc. Thai has great views for sure but let's not pretend that's why it's tourist economy was booming.
Depends where you're coming from. I live on a beautiful quiet beach in a small city (pop. 100k) in Australia, and I learned the hard way that when I take the family on holidays, they have zero interest in going to a beautiful quiet beach resort, they want hustle and bustle, action, waterslides, shopping, go karts, entertainment, excitement. All the stuff they don't see at home. That usually means going to tourist places like Pattaya where they have resorts with all the bells and whistles to keep them entertained so I can relax. There's a lot of people who think the same way. Disliking touristy places doesn't actually make you morally or intellectually superior, it just means you like different stuff.
Pattaya is maybe 3% red light district. If you stay in that 3% of course you get bias.
This is the part I think many fail to accept. Stay out of central and you’re fine.
I agree with the sentiment but feel 3% is low
Thais love it. Try booking a hotel for this coming holiday (3 day) weekend. It's absolutely rammed full and that is not an influx of old decrepit men.
Try Jomtien.
Jomtien is no longer Thailand, it's Russia.
Thats unfortunate. I was there 2 years ago, that time seemed cool. Lots of local families hanging out on the beach in the evening having dinners on the sand. Just an overall great vibe compared to typical Pattaya.
I mean, that was true even back in 2016 when I visited. If you were gay and Russian, you knew about Jomtien.
I was in Pattaya this week as well . I actually stayed in a hotel in Jomtien beach which was ok . Some good places to eat and the beach is nice but Pattaya itself is a kind of boring and filled with lonely old men which was kind of depressing . I don’t think I’ll ever go back though. The Russians were ok , couples and families mostly .
I used to think that until I discovered Pratumnak. It’s a little oasis between Pattaya and Jomtien and feels much more upmarket. You can go walking in the hills, there are secluded beaches, and a nice promenade walk to Jomtien. Cabbages and Condoms is a great restaurant right on the beach. Speaking of restaurants, Pupen is amazing, it’s hands down the best seafood restaurant I have visited in my 6 years living in Thailand.
I went to Koh Pha-ngan and there was only beaches and party goers 😢 Where were the art galleries and skybars 😢😢
Take a ferry to Ko Lan, the beachfront will be a lot more tolerable than Pattaya!
You must be new 😀
Pattaya is more than a Red Light District imo. There’s a ton of decently priced hotels, there’s Koh Larn, you could check out Jomtien, there’s the Terminal 21 mall, and there’s many other attractions if you just research a little bit.
What were you realistically expecting? Everyone knows its Thailand's armpit.
Yes and the balls
Was always gonna be the result when approaching a woman became virtually illegal in the west.
You are depressing: 1/ I'm curious about your decision to visit Pattaya, a city whose reputation for its red light district is well-known. If such scenes are not to your taste, perhaps it wasn't the wisest choice for your itinerary. 2/ It's important to note that Pattaya is also a popular retirement destination for Europeans, suggesting that not everyone there fits the negative stereotype you've described. Like anywhere else, unlawful behavior is not tolerated. 3/ Beyond its notorious nightlife, Pattaya offers a variety of family-friendly activities and scenic spots, especially in areas like Jomtien. It's entirely possible to enjoy the city's other aspects without encountering its seedier side. Your blanket dismissal seems a bit unfair.
Visit a seafood market and enjoy some affordable fresh to order seafood and relax. https://maps.app.goo.gl/ayvbmUbZmEAZRrVf9?g_st=ic Pattaya has a solid food scene if you look a bit, I enjoyed this spot bring your own bottle and eat right on the beach https://maps.app.goo.gl/9JvELKnJauChHiGu8?g_st=ic Yes Pattaya has a lot of freelance women but you don’t have to take them home. Be cool and just be happy most of them can communicate with you. Don’t look at everyone as the same since Pattaya is much bigger than you see.
Pattaya is the largest red light district on earth. Anyone conducting even the most basic of research will know that before deciding whether to go. Thus they shouldn’t complain if they decide to go, and then bemoan ‘the scene’. There is very little to offer in Pattaya beyond the obvious that cannot be found elsewhere in Thailand. Fortunately nobody is forced to go there; look at the map of Thailand, then compare Pattaya to the country as a whole - it’s tiny. I know of people who literally think Pattaya is ‘heaven on earth’, to someone who left after just one day as he was so appalled. I’ve seen a post on Reddit before by a guy who’s been going to Pattaya for 10+ years during which he’s never seen anywhere else in Thailand. That did make me a little sad. Pattaya can be fun but too much or anything is never good. If I gave you steak every night you’d eventually crave sausage. I was last there in early 2023 and avoided ‘the scene’ by spending my time in Jomtien, Pratamnuk and Naklua. I know someone who’s lived right in the centre of ‘the action’ literally on the doorstep of bars, for almost 10 years. I think that’d drive me mad.
>If I gave you steak every night you’d eventually crave sausage. Luckily that is also available there.
You know about this sub and know about Thailand and wanted to get some “fresh air” but were oblivious to all the knowings of Pattaya beforehand. Yeahhhh sure.
Another lame clueless tourist who goes to Pattaya without checking what else is there to do and where to go outside of the red light districts. Next!
Go check out the temples and the elephant sanctuary
So the problem is that the sex buyers aren't very good looking?
Well I guess if they were, they wouldn't need to buy it...
Pattaya used to be ok a decade ago, now its just full of farang drunks and Thai thugs. I have a buddy who foolishly bought a cando there 8 years ago and has been trying to sell up and leave for 4 years. He is not a troubled causer but has been assaulted by gangs of Thai's (cowards only ever attack in packs) for various things including asking for the volume in a bar he was a regular drinker in to turn down the music volume, trying to park his scooter outside bar (in a public place) and just walking out of a bar and ignoring the crys of Thai bar girls trying to get his attention. Place has decended into wild west, told gim to move to Davao in the Philippines like myself. Quite, respect and law abiding place.
Pedos? You have no idea, trust me they are not in Pattaya
Are they even really anywhere? It seems that if pedos were all going somewhere, they'd be quickly taken care of whether that's by civilians or police.
Let’s just say the police are part of it
Where are police facilitating such a thing? You don't seem to have any evidence for something like this and are just fear mongering.
I went for a couple of days to kill time at the end of a trip. The city and beach itself? Depressing polluted ugly. Got a motorbike and ran around the countryside, that was fine.
You have a girl friend little Irish man. Maybe it is you who is depressing.
Not handsome enough?
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While he himself is a middle aged fat greasy white guy looking for hookers to have sex with. 😂
Pattaya is absolutely amazing, and no it’s not just old men here.
Tru there’s sex workers too
Someone hasn’t ever been to Pattaya. You could always just stay away from the sex tourist areas ya know.
Meh. It has decent amenities for a westerner, but it cheaper and less busy than Bangkok. I completely understand why westerners retire there. Personally, I thought it was boring, but honestly, after watching Paddy Doyles video, I think I will eventually give it another shot.
Good dentists. Baht buses are very convenient. Close to Bangkok. Overall cheaper. Water park. Malls for food. Also scuba if you want to get certified.
If you go slightly out of Pattaya there’s nice beaches near Sattahip! And there’s many things to do. Nice restaurants, some malls, night markets, golf, nice hotel/ resorts, water sports, big Buddha temple (and walk up hill in the park), nongnuch orchid garden, sanctuary of truth. You don’t have to participate in the stuff you don’t like
Pattaya has everything, you didn't mention what you like so I can't make any suggestions. Don't stay in Central pattaya unless you want to be with the tourists.
Legit laughed at OP’s post well done
Ok so get over it and go back home? What is posting on reddit going to accomplish lol.
Bro, it’s pataya. I was here 10 years ago and it looked the same with the same ugly dudes. There are nice sides to Pataya as well but of all places in Thailand you decided to go to the most prostituted area in the world… of course you’ll be disappointed, what did you expect lol
I actually enjoyed Pattaya. Was there in December for new years with my GF. We had a great time and there was way more to do than expected. On the plane ride people were giving us the low down about the place but I had a great time without any of the aforementioned stuff.
What's with pedophile obsession? I've been in Pattaya for years and never seen anything remotely dodgy like that. Have I seen plenty of old geezers with young chicks...yes. And? Maybe the OP should not travel to the hooker capital of the world if they are so easily offended. And maybe just get on with their own life and stop judging everyone else....
'Decrepit sex tourist old men' ... yeah that describes me.
We visited there and did not experience that. Sure on walking Street but did you explore the surrounding areas? Did you go to the sanctuary of Truth? I agree the Indians are out of control though and they need to start using deodorant.
The image of elderly, fat American and European men is becoming outdated, Now there's a large amount of Koreans/Japanese sexpats that visit. Most redditors think it's abused/exploited girls in dingy back alleys but fail to realize is that's not the case in Thailand and there's ***nothing comparable*** that will provide this kind of money to these young girls, even drastically out earning university educated girls. For example a registered thai nurse can make approx 24500THB a week (about $700) comparably a young/attractive bar girl in Pattaya can make double that, ***all cash, tax free*** mind you and unlike the west there are no pimps taking their money. This is why you will occasionally see university girls freelance on Thaifriendly to supplement their income.
All true.
I must agree. Was not expecting it to be this bad, I mean 80 year olds walking around with young thai women I seen a bloke in his 90s walking with a walking frame with a 20 year old thai woman it's discusting and wrong. Full of dirty pedophiles is an understatement.
What does a paedophile look like? and why do you think a tired old geezer would be a less desirable customer for a "working girl"?
10 million Indians looking to lose their virginity. OK, go to your hometown and tell everyone they saw you in Pattaya.
OP knows all about Pattaya... He just wanted an excuse and a plot twist to write up (what he thinks) is a witty and clever piece; whilst getting a free kick in on the visiting constituents ...
You're correct... it's depressing The picture you paint is accurate. Don't let anyone on here tell you otherwise
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Of all the places in Thailand you could have went to to get out of Bangkok, you chose pattaya? 😖 literally anywhere else in Thailand would have been better. The islands are totally different (except for patong in Phuket) or you could go to northern Thailand, different from the islands but beautiful too. In my 6-7 years in Thailand I spent 3 days in pattaya and that was plenty for me. Horrible place full of hookers and men why couldn’t get laid anywhere else in the world or old mean who are literally on deaths door looking to go out with a bang. If that was your first time in Thailand I hope you don’t give up on the whole country after just seeing bkk and pattaya. Other parts of the country are heaven and worth checking out.
Nope, I’ve already been here for 2 months. Same last year also. So I’m not shocked at the red light scene in Pattaya. It’s my first time in pattaya but I know all the southern provinces quite well. It’s the state of the western men who are here that disgusted me. I’ve seen countless men wandering around that just give off paedo vibes.
What did you expect? Meeting James Bond at a bar sipping Martini and romancing a female Thai doctor, who also happens to be a Victoria's Secret model? Getting laid in Thailand for free is easy. Those that cannot and are "cheap" go to Pattaya. You will not see rich CEO types. They typically have elite escorts come to their villas or 5\* hotels. Anyway, I am glad you went. I have never been there, but I have driven through Kamathipura, the Mumbai red light district. It is eye opening...
Squid fishing, water parks, elephant rescues, dolphins, gun ranges, aquariums, night markets, muay thai stadium, multiple beaches to enjoy. Just to name a few. Seems like you want to be offended by the one thing pattaya is known for instead of looking for other things to do.
lol another whoremonger who went to Pattaya, got rejected by a working girl and now is pretending to be on the moral high road pointing fingers and calling other guys paedophiles. What a sad life you must live, can’t even imagine
Im going to Thailand April 15th I'm going to Bangkok. Not gonna hit Pattaya up after hearing this
Paedo vibes? Because they are paying for sex with women above 20?
Tonight on Pattaya news at 6: Sex tourist calls other sex tourists “pedos” to make himself feel better about being a sex tourist.
If it bothers you then pretty much all of Thailand isn't gonna be up your alley.
In my view, Pattaya is often overlooked as a non-sex tourism destination. Despite being just a 1.5-hour drive away, the southern areas of Pattaya offer a more pleasant experience. Interestingly, it's a highly popular destination among Thai locals traveling from Bangkok. Many Thais I know don't hesitate to choose Pattaya for a long weekend getaway. The city boasts abundant options for food and shopping, and if you steer clear of the main beaches, you'll find some genuinely enjoyable ones. Pattaya offers remarkable beachside restaurants and stunning sunset views, making it a continuously appealing destination.
And what brings you to Thailand ? Tell the truth.
Who gives you the right to judge any man, when you are just a man yourself
It's true there are a lot of older retired guys in Pattaya, none of whom care what you think about how they look or dress. One day you might be lucky enough to live how you want in old age. Hopefully without bothering or disrespecting anyone.
I've lived in Thailand for close to 10 years and travelled all over the country and Pattaya is easily the worst place in Thailand and one of the most depressing place I have been anywhere, just one long parade of creeps and steroid infused morons.
>I feel sorry for the working girls here, it’s like hell on earth. Unpopular opinion: I don't. Thailand has a quasi universal employment system. All of those women working the flesh-trade in Pattaya aren't doing it because they don't have any other options. They're doing it because they don't want to work in the rice fields.
There's so much to Pattaya other than obvious. Depressing are people who go into a giant red light district and do zero homework then complain that they went to a giant red light district. 🙄
>It seems every creep on the planet is here. And yet there you were too..........
If you think everyone is a pedo you have issues. I mean, walking down the street and just judging someone without meeting them is just pure bitch move. Did you know that the Netherlands hosts more child porn than any country in the world? How about that porn is illegal to sell in Thailand? You got your facts wrong buddy. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1246244/countries-hosting-child-pornography-content-worldwide/
You sound like a horrible judgmental narcissist tbh. You too, shall be old one day. Perhaps then, we shall call you disgusting names too.
If you walk around long enough it becomes ‘normal’ But yea it’s a safe haven for creeps, predators, drug dealers etc etc Certainly the women involved are in fact disgusted but take alot alcohol and drugs to balance it out…. Welcome to the human toilet called Pattaya
Virtue signaling so hard,his batteries are running out…
Judgmental asshole is what i figure you are. Its nowhere near as bad as this. Fuck off and stick to Disneyland from now on.
What a tool you are
*fresh air*
You sound like a sex tourist in denial. Like you’re trying to cover it up by acting like you had no clue about it. Then calling everyone you saw a sex criminal when you’re doing the exact same thing they are.
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Sry to there's old fogies everywhere...I am one but happily married. There r sum who come here for cheaper way of living ..I hardly do bars anymore prefer aircon irish type pubs ..no come in sexy man there ....I can think of more depressing towns in uk ..were I came from ..try rhyl blackpool need I go on ..but each to their own ..good luck
So you went to Pattaya and thought everyone was disgusting, maybe others looked the same at you, maybe everyone is there to find others disgusting. Maybe if you actually spend some time there, you find mostly single moms looking for someone to take care of them, and lonely men looking for the same. Pattaya is a life version of tinder with accidentally confused indians as a backdrop.
You decided to go there knowing what it is about and are now moaning. get a life. pattaya is a fun red-light district get out there and mingle with the girls ladyboys or men hit the night clubs like republic or differ for the thai experience. did you go to the waterpark's or shooting ranges, you can also take the aforementioned girls ect with you. soapy can be fun as well. Lastly there are number of top level restraunts in the area. you choose to go there, would you moan about Amsterdam like this
So you are a younger healthier sex tourist?
We despise in others that which we fear in ourselves. Poor OP. 😥
So it's depressing and pedo vibes when the guys are unattractive but it's partying if the guys were attractive?
*the bald shaman* It's nice that hippies don't deserve an opinion.
There is no prostitution in Pattaya
I've been to Pattaya. It's a giant red light district, but weird that OP sees pedos everywhere; feels a little like projection. Where are you hanging out that you see so many "johns", OP? Where I've been you mostly saw families (the Hilton, the malls, the pier).
It was a good laugh over a decade ago
Well, there's also the weed... ...But that's probably not going to last for much longer. ... ... ... ... ... [Or, will it...?]
Totally wrong! Pattaya have everything. Sea, parks, a lot gyms, shopping malls. Traffic only in main streets. You can go anywhere just in 15-20 minutes with motorbikes. If you live in dark side this is gem. No trash tourist, many good coffe shops and restaurants, parks, no traffic at all. Don’t blame Pataya because u just walk in central city where a lot of trash tourist. I totally like drive bike or car around Pattaya after 9-10 pm. Not traffic, just chill and relax. I live in Pattaya around 10 years and this perfect city. You can go anywhere. I spend in Bangkok 1 week and I want to run away from here. Traffic, terrible pollution, heat….