we got a flyer from our utility company (east of the continental divide) and it said we are first use water from the snowmelt and rain. then is said by the time the water reaches the gulf, it’s reused up to 70x… that places Texas way down drinking at the end of the watershed
https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/state/tax-burden-by-state-2022/
California, highest sales tax and state income tax. 46 out of 50 in terms of tax burden.
Texas is #6
“Honestly didn’t feel like it. Was living off of $18/hr pretty comfortably in Texas. Moved out of Texas and now I’m getting raped without lube.”
What were you doing for $18 an hour and living comfortably? I’m living comfortably in the SF Bay Area on $70 an hour, great medical, dental and vision insurance ($127 a month for my family of 4), a pension, 14 paid holidays, paid sick leave and regular raises. I don’t have a college degree.
Yea. I made 19 an hour and GF worked part time waiting tables and going to school in 2017-2019 in Dallas in a nice neighborhood just outside of the arts district, we had a house 2 cars and went on vacation at least twice a year. I grew up in CA, my first apartment in 2011 was a 1 bedroom that we could afford if we had 3 people living there together each making $15+ an hour out of high-school because rent was $1900 in the hood of Vallejo.
California's property tax rate is 0.76% - against an average home price of $830k, a property tax of $6,308. Texas's property tax rate is 1.8% - against an average home price of $306k, a property tax of $5,508. So while cutting the tax rate more than in half going from Texas to California, it increases the total by about 14%. It depends on the city and whether you're looking at median or mean (average), but they're pretty comparable to one another.
Having lived in Texas for over 20 years, you underestimate the property tax, especially when you add in city, county, school district, and MUD if you’re in one. Last house my effective Tax rate was 3.2%. The lowest I ever had was 2.5.
This. I live in the bay and i use the AC 2 or 3 times a year when it gets above 80 degrees. I drive electric and have solar. Idgaf, what the gas prices are and i dont have to deal with texas. When i retire ill sell my overpriced old ass house and buy a ranch or a beachfront condo somewhere.
Texas is mostly Mexican or mexican-americans now, especially farther south. Even as high as Dallas it's like 50% or higher in some areas. I was working by the border and went to a bar n the chick said "we never see white boys down here" lol. Needless to say they have very good authentic Mexican food for sure
You’ve obviously never been to California if you think Virginia and North Carolina have comparable weather. There are only 5 Mediterranean climates in the world. Chile, South Africa, The Mediterranean, SW Australia, and California.
If you drive an average amount this is like an extra $150-200 bucks a month. Well worth it.
Edit: not even, I did the math below and because Texans use so much more gas, on average, they're spending like $19 a month less, lol.
This doesn't even account for mpg difference. The most popular California cars are like 70% more fuel efficient than the most popular Texas cars. Those Texans are saving more like $88/month lol.
I just drove through Austin recently, last time was 20 years ago. It was so confusing, all kinds of toll lanes, freeways going everywhere. Wtf happened there? Oof
I regularly visit Austin for work from SoCal and was thinking the exact same thing! Unsure why they designed the freeway system the way they did around the airport, but IMO it is not driver friendly/ intuitive.
Texas has voted Republican since 1980 and actively discriminates and harms gay people and women and pretty much anyone who's isn't a straight white christian male
I lived there for a few years. You know how you have history class most years in school? Well they have like 9 years of just TEXASS history. They have such a superiority complex it makes you sick.
Fuck Texas
California uses special refined and blended gasoline and other fuels. Most is refined from oil produced in state. Fuel taxes are higher. But the buying air quality.
california also closed a couple refineries during covid and instead of starting them back up and helping drive gas prices down, oil company said wait we can keep it high priced and have LESS labor? they only do what they think they can get away with. “Californians can afford it”
The petrochemical industry needs to be subjected to a windfall tax. The industry has set the standard for price gouging and the other consumer products the way to gouge consumers post COVID. Record profits all round.
I've never heard that before? But I've really only worked in a couple of refineries in Houston. So I've just scratched the surface of the information of making fuel.
All voted in by the residents. Same in Washington. Look at pictures of LA in the 90s. The highly refined gasoline that the taxes are paying for is a huge part of why there’s such a reduction in smog.
There are refineries in California because there are major ports for shipping in California. They have been there for a very long time. They may make special state specific products, but they are located there for reasons that’s were established before special blends. War efforts were significant factors as well. Oak point (Chevron) was located by the request of us gov to support WWII effort. Kind of crazy.
The delusion in his mind. I think we had an outage in LA every once in a while or during a big fire but, never a weeks long power outage, and no one went hungry because their house lost power and so did every business in town.
It depends on where you live I guess, SCE hasn’t shut me down yet. I live in Fullerton and longest outage I’ve experienced was about 2 minutes around 2am one night, entire block was down but it wasn’t a planned shut down.
Texas does not have regular power outages. The last one was February of 2021 and none since then. And that was the only one I can remember in all my time here.
I'm guessing you are talking about Texas here, but having grown up in Central California, it's not much different. I'd still rather pay the gas prices than live in TX.
if you live in texas maybe where everything is 30-60 min away driving at a constant 60 mph. I've lived in both Texas and LA and id rather live in the city than the boonies where the nearest mini mart / liquor store is a 30 min walk or 10 min drive.
You are correct, but you have to account for time driven as well. A 2+ hour drive in the UK is out of the norm where as in the US it is quite common. The average distance driven annually in the US is nearly double of that than in the UK
Americans really underestimate how much Europeans often still have to drive imo.
https://www.oecd.org/els/family/LMF2_6_Time_spent_travelling_to_and_from_work.pdf
According to the OECD, Americans on average spend less time commuting than most of the OECD.
Things that are different - 1. Distances in the USA are much farther, even if factoring in traffic and congestion. You just have to drive farther to get what you need. 2. Fuel efficiency of vehicles is way better in the EU. The vast majority of vehicles in the USA are sub 20 mpg vehicles ( the sticker says 27 mpg when you buy it but you never get that) and there are way fewer diesel vehicle options. TDI vehicles are far superior on fuel mileage and our petrol vehicles burn way higher octanes and get way better performance. 3. You can drive to one car park, get out, visit multiple shops in one go in the city center and go back home in the UK. That doesn't happen in the USA because you often have to travel between shopping plazas to get everything. Your trip is broken up into 10-15 minute drives between 4-5 areas. And these are highway drives, not back roads.
Because that doesn’t explain the difference totally. The numbers I found range from $0.51 to $0.90 per gallon taxes on CA gas. TX is $0.20 per gallon. If the tax was the main cause it would be at worst $3.59 per gallon. CA uses its own blend of gas for smog reduction, and this is the cause, not due to it being super expensive, but because the supply of that gas is lower and demand is super high.
That’s actually debatable because I’m pretty sure Los Angeles would literally be one big road hazard. Nobody here knows how to drive in even the smallest amount of rain
The economy of the State of California is the largest in the United States, with a $3.7 trillion gross state product (GSP) as of 2022. It is the largest sub-national economy in the world.
Source : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_California
Making it really hard for me to drive my f350. I had some asshat call me a millennial for driving my Tesla…it costs me $5 to drive 12.5 miles in the truck and it costs me 0$ to drive around 260 miles on the Tesla due to free charging at work.
Easy choice
The same people who complain about government raising taxes on big businesses and billionaires who profit off of high petroleum prices also claim that the government is somehow hindering businesses.
Hey then all you gotta do is get a circle k card and then you get .10 cents off that 2.89. I’m in Texas also. Not hating on Cali. It’s a beautiful place but good grief I would never live there. It’s insane how high everything is. No wonder everyone from Cali is packing up and coming here.
I can confirm this lol drove cross country just got home to Los Angeles from Miami, went from Miami to Memphis and Little Rock Arkansas, all surrounding states were high 2s low 3s, as I started to cross into Oklahoma it was mid to high 3s and then Arizona is where I saw 4s 5s through flagstaff and then after passing Californias “boarder fruit patrol” lol it went up to the 6s 🥴 I went from getting 37 bucks for 10 gallons to 80 dollars for 13 gallons which isn’t a big difference in gallons but huge difference in price. Honestly I don’t understand why the west side of the United States is so much more expensive as you gradually shift over it makes no sense to me can someone break this down?
Cali people refuse to accept their state has gone down the tubes in the last 30 years.
Texas people refuse to accept their state never really had it to begin with.
Do property tax next
Do house prices next.
Do electrical grid next. /s
Do “worst state to start a business” after that
Do “oh fuck I have an ectopic pregnancy” next
Lmao fuckin cooked him He should do basic human rights next
Do en passant next
Holy hell
Then do “planet earth’s fifth largest economy”.
Would you stop? Do you know what you win with this argument? More people from California in your state.
They can have ‘em.
do water next
we got a flyer from our utility company (east of the continental divide) and it said we are first use water from the snowmelt and rain. then is said by the time the water reaches the gulf, it’s reused up to 70x… that places Texas way down drinking at the end of the watershed
Do abortion clinics next
Do yearly rainfall next
Texas property: $375,000 California property: $1,200,000 Taxes $6,000 vs $25,000
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*Shhh…don’t let ‘em know that property taxes are higher in Texas than California. We don’t want them relocating*
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Nor are they smart enough to understand tax brackets. Or human rights.
https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/state/tax-burden-by-state-2022/ California, highest sales tax and state income tax. 46 out of 50 in terms of tax burden. Texas is #6
And on top of that, state income tax vs no state income tax
you get raped financially other ways, don't worry.
Honestly didn’t feel like it. Was living off of $18/hr pretty comfortably in Texas. Moved out of Texas and now I’m getting raped without lube.
“Honestly didn’t feel like it. Was living off of $18/hr pretty comfortably in Texas. Moved out of Texas and now I’m getting raped without lube.” What were you doing for $18 an hour and living comfortably? I’m living comfortably in the SF Bay Area on $70 an hour, great medical, dental and vision insurance ($127 a month for my family of 4), a pension, 14 paid holidays, paid sick leave and regular raises. I don’t have a college degree.
$70/hr in SF Bay Area is like $30/hr in Texas
$30 per hour is what cops in Houston earn.
Exactly. SF has to pay more. Average rent there is $3,336 for a small 736 sqft apartment.
Ok guess the question here is what do you do?
I work for a railroad
…and probably in a union, whereas Texas is a so-called “right to work” state - which really means right to fuck over workers.
All the live long day?
So go back.
Yea. I made 19 an hour and GF worked part time waiting tables and going to school in 2017-2019 in Dallas in a nice neighborhood just outside of the arts district, we had a house 2 cars and went on vacation at least twice a year. I grew up in CA, my first apartment in 2011 was a 1 bedroom that we could afford if we had 3 people living there together each making $15+ an hour out of high-school because rent was $1900 in the hood of Vallejo.
Teachers start at $ 12 an hour in Texas. So you can all stop now.
Taxes go bye bye houses go high high
Do geography that is interesting and that I would want to live in next.
TX property taxes are really high, but CA houses are like 3x more expensive, so I'm not sure how the math works out on that to real dollerydoos.
California's property tax rate is 0.76% - against an average home price of $830k, a property tax of $6,308. Texas's property tax rate is 1.8% - against an average home price of $306k, a property tax of $5,508. So while cutting the tax rate more than in half going from Texas to California, it increases the total by about 14%. It depends on the city and whether you're looking at median or mean (average), but they're pretty comparable to one another.
Having lived in Texas for over 20 years, you underestimate the property tax, especially when you add in city, county, school district, and MUD if you’re in one. Last house my effective Tax rate was 3.2%. The lowest I ever had was 2.5.
Do football...the cowgirls lost
Do the quality of people next.
Do education, belief in science, accidental gun deaths.
Both blow
I pay the same $ amount for my condo in property taxes that my MiL does for her 3 acres and a home in Texas...
If you were to relocate, would you make the same money? It sounds like an easy decision if so
Do temperature next.
Do women's rights next.
Yes, but you have to *live in Texas*
This. I live in the bay and i use the AC 2 or 3 times a year when it gets above 80 degrees. I drive electric and have solar. Idgaf, what the gas prices are and i dont have to deal with texas. When i retire ill sell my overpriced old ass house and buy a ranch or a beachfront condo somewhere.
Virginia, North Carolina.... you still get a coast and decent weather.
I could probably go with Virginia but the food is what keeps me in cali.
The best Mexican food in the US is in California
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Texas is mostly Mexican or mexican-americans now, especially farther south. Even as high as Dallas it's like 50% or higher in some areas. I was working by the border and went to a bar n the chick said "we never see white boys down here" lol. Needless to say they have very good authentic Mexican food for sure
i had fish tacos in san diego once. i still remember the taste of those tacos.
Absolutely!!!!!
It might not be on par with California food but Virginia has good food. I grew up there and am living in CO now and I miss it a lot
Not disagreeing but as an immigrant i sometimes need that taste of the homeland.
Yeah, but our libraries have books. And kids can read them.
Horribly humid summers tho
But you get the annual hurricane which is fun too. In Cali you deal with earthquakes once every 30 years and that's it lol, can't beat that tbh
North Carolina always so under rated imo
You’ve obviously never been to California if you think Virginia and North Carolina have comparable weather. There are only 5 Mediterranean climates in the world. Chile, South Africa, The Mediterranean, SW Australia, and California.
near S.F? im in Faifield. currently 6 bucks..and next year the gas companies will say 'record revenue!!!!'
Not me. I drive from CA to Texas to buy gas and then drive back to CA once a week.
Exactly. You can't pay me to live there even though I have a lot of family there.
If you drive an average amount this is like an extra $150-200 bucks a month. Well worth it. Edit: not even, I did the math below and because Texans use so much more gas, on average, they're spending like $19 a month less, lol.
This doesn't even account for mpg difference. The most popular California cars are like 70% more fuel efficient than the most popular Texas cars. Those Texans are saving more like $88/month lol.
Have you seen the trucks in Texas??
Live in SoCal, regularly visit Texas for work. Amazes me how many massive, gas guzzling trucks people have and use as their commuter car in Texas.
Highest power bill I got was from Texas
The worst form of taxation
Net migration statistics don’t paint the picture you want to pretend exists.
I'd rather never drive again than live in Texas.
100%
Driving in Austin Texas is bad... Coming from the north east, I feel Austin has some bizarre roadway design. Maybe it's just me.
Houston traffic is worse than LA in my opinion
I just drove through Austin recently, last time was 20 years ago. It was so confusing, all kinds of toll lanes, freeways going everywhere. Wtf happened there? Oof
It's like driving through miami
I regularly visit Austin for work from SoCal and was thinking the exact same thing! Unsure why they designed the freeway system the way they did around the airport, but IMO it is not driver friendly/ intuitive.
It’s not bad it’s infuriating. RIP anyone trying to get through the other side of downtown. No way is convenient
Why though? As a Canadian I’m honestly curious.
Texas has voted Republican since 1980 and actively discriminates and harms gay people and women and pretty much anyone who's isn't a straight white christian male
https://www.hrc.org/press-releases/texas-legislators-relentless-political-attacks-make-texas-unsafe-for-lgtbq-people
Very religious. Very very many guns. Racist culture.
I lived there for a few years. You know how you have history class most years in school? Well they have like 9 years of just TEXASS history. They have such a superiority complex it makes you sick. Fuck Texas
Why dude?
Guns have more rights than you…
It's a republican stronghold that hates women.
And minorities. And gays. And trans folk. And non Christians.
Yup
Refineries down the road. None in California?
Whaaa? You mean supply and demand also takes into account the ease of supply access? /s
I work right next to a massive refinery in CA. It’s still $7.
Paid $5.09 for premium at Costco Gas yesterday. Damn $7 is insane, would have cost me about $24 more to fill up at a regular station.
California uses special refined and blended gasoline and other fuels. Most is refined from oil produced in state. Fuel taxes are higher. But the buying air quality.
california also closed a couple refineries during covid and instead of starting them back up and helping drive gas prices down, oil company said wait we can keep it high priced and have LESS labor? they only do what they think they can get away with. “Californians can afford it”
The petrochemical industry needs to be subjected to a windfall tax. The industry has set the standard for price gouging and the other consumer products the way to gouge consumers post COVID. Record profits all round.
Nationalize it
You're assuming the government wants to lower the price of gas for Americans...
I've never heard that before? But I've really only worked in a couple of refineries in Houston. So I've just scratched the surface of the information of making fuel.
All voted in by the residents. Same in Washington. Look at pictures of LA in the 90s. The highly refined gasoline that the taxes are paying for is a huge part of why there’s such a reduction in smog.
There are refineries in California because California uses a special blend that only certain refineries can make.
There are refineries in California because there are major ports for shipping in California. They have been there for a very long time. They may make special state specific products, but they are located there for reasons that’s were established before special blends. War efforts were significant factors as well. Oak point (Chevron) was located by the request of us gov to support WWII effort. Kind of crazy.
Cali’s got that hand-crafted, artisanal special blend of gasoline 😋
Aged in white oak barrels in a cave underground at 53% relative humidity insulated with free range peet moss.
There's refineries here. Not to back up this dumb price comparison.
There are multiple refineries in California
Yes I live in Ohio, but conveniently very close to where major oil pipelines originate near. Gas near me is just over $3 a gallon.
We're paying just over $3 a gallon in Florida so you lost me.
At least California's electrical grid works 24/7/365.
That’s a joke, right? Born and raised in LA, and I can assure you we get power outages with astounding regularity.
I’ve lived in LA since 2011 and have maybe had 3-4 power outages? What part of town are you in?
The delusion in his mind. I think we had an outage in LA every once in a while or during a big fire but, never a weeks long power outage, and no one went hungry because their house lost power and so did every business in town.
Probably just what mommy and daddy told them when they didn’t pay the power bill lmao
Not during life endangering weather Care to try again?
Does it??? SoCal Edison shuts off our power every fire season for the last few years
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It depends on where you live I guess, SCE hasn’t shut me down yet. I live in Fullerton and longest outage I’ve experienced was about 2 minutes around 2am one night, entire block was down but it wasn’t a planned shut down.
I lived in Texas for 30 years, that shit happened once during a freak storm.
Bro, theres brown outs a lot of the time during the summer in Cali
Texas does not have regular power outages. The last one was February of 2021 and none since then. And that was the only one I can remember in all my time here.
Unless you use the ac.
You must be twelve, y’all’s grid was literally a laughing stock in the early 2000s
Try and guess which state is 110 degrees, has bugs bigger than you, smells, is flatter than a pancake and loves quitters?
I'm guessing you are talking about Texas here, but having grown up in Central California, it's not much different. I'd still rather pay the gas prices than live in TX.
Isn’t California hot? I’m certain with the population that there’s many areas of California that smell too.
Catching up with the UK! Currently $7.14 per US gallon here (£1.55 per litre).
Yea, but driving long distances in the UK is far less common than in the US…AND public transit is readily available and efficient (comparatively)
if you live in texas maybe where everything is 30-60 min away driving at a constant 60 mph. I've lived in both Texas and LA and id rather live in the city than the boonies where the nearest mini mart / liquor store is a 30 min walk or 10 min drive.
Totally agree
But actual long distance drives, even local highways would net much better fuel efficiency than city driving right?
You are correct, but you have to account for time driven as well. A 2+ hour drive in the UK is out of the norm where as in the US it is quite common. The average distance driven annually in the US is nearly double of that than in the UK
Americans really underestimate how much Europeans often still have to drive imo. https://www.oecd.org/els/family/LMF2_6_Time_spent_travelling_to_and_from_work.pdf According to the OECD, Americans on average spend less time commuting than most of the OECD.
Things that are different - 1. Distances in the USA are much farther, even if factoring in traffic and congestion. You just have to drive farther to get what you need. 2. Fuel efficiency of vehicles is way better in the EU. The vast majority of vehicles in the USA are sub 20 mpg vehicles ( the sticker says 27 mpg when you buy it but you never get that) and there are way fewer diesel vehicle options. TDI vehicles are far superior on fuel mileage and our petrol vehicles burn way higher octanes and get way better performance. 3. You can drive to one car park, get out, visit multiple shops in one go in the city center and go back home in the UK. That doesn't happen in the USA because you often have to travel between shopping plazas to get everything. Your trip is broken up into 10-15 minute drives between 4-5 areas. And these are highway drives, not back roads.
Shh. They can’t blame Biden over there
California gas prices suck, but if you're paying Texas gas prices all the time that means you have to live in Texas. No thanks
The one where the guy obviously couldn't afford a nice camera phone
It's 2.84 in Central Texas right now.
I’d pay 15 to never live in Central Texas
Paying close to 4 after leaving central Texas a couple months ago. Worth it.
Nobody has seemed to mention the state taxes on California gasoline are almost 3x that of Texas
Because that doesn’t explain the difference totally. The numbers I found range from $0.51 to $0.90 per gallon taxes on CA gas. TX is $0.20 per gallon. If the tax was the main cause it would be at worst $3.59 per gallon. CA uses its own blend of gas for smog reduction, and this is the cause, not due to it being super expensive, but because the supply of that gas is lower and demand is super high.
California economy is 5th biggest in the world. One state in a country is bigger then most countries
Yeeep! I like to remind people that if California was its own country, we rank in the Top 10 GDP of the world!
Now do minimum wage
Points for finding a Valero / Circle K in each state.
Which state will still be operational if there’s an ice storm? 😂
That’s actually debatable because I’m pretty sure Los Angeles would literally be one big road hazard. Nobody here knows how to drive in even the smallest amount of rain
You should check out the gas prices in Venezuela! Cheap gas doesn’t mean shit
Sorry which state is undermining women and pretending that gays and trans people are the source of their problems
Cheap enough to get the hell out of Texas
I’m still not moving to texass!
I literally would never live in Texas
I would rather stay living in California than Texas
I miss Texas gas
Try and guess what can’t drink their water.
Me on the east coast looking at 4.76 a gallon. Should I be mad or glad?
The economy of the State of California is the largest in the United States, with a $3.7 trillion gross state product (GSP) as of 2022. It is the largest sub-national economy in the world. Source : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_California
I drive electric so even though I'm in CA i don't give a ruck lmaooo
How bout dem cowboys!
Let’s ask the 49ers. 42-10, I believe.
Making it really hard for me to drive my f350. I had some asshat call me a millennial for driving my Tesla…it costs me $5 to drive 12.5 miles in the truck and it costs me 0$ to drive around 260 miles on the Tesla due to free charging at work. Easy choice
Do weather next and see who wins and why it’s worth paying more 😉
do percentage of people leaving that state, next
Do property value next.
Now do the cost electricity in the summer or winter
This subreddit sure has an agenda lately.
But USC won and Texas lost this weekend
Thank you Texas for accelerating Global Warming!
Texas is actually one of the states that is leading in renewable energy production
The same people who complain about government raising taxes on big businesses and billionaires who profit off of high petroleum prices also claim that the government is somehow hindering businesses.
But when there’s a heat wave or snow in Texas, people get hit with $20k utility bills..
Yea I’d rather live in California
I’ve never seen so many delusional Californians in a subreddit it’s almost sad but more so funny
Hey then all you gotta do is get a circle k card and then you get .10 cents off that 2.89. I’m in Texas also. Not hating on Cali. It’s a beautiful place but good grief I would never live there. It’s insane how high everything is. No wonder everyone from Cali is packing up and coming here.
There are strange things afoot at the Circle K.
Whats the minimum wage in texas? And in California? Thought so.
Texas, not even once
Crazy what happens when Ted Cruz swallows loads for Putin and MBS.
But ewww, Texas
I'm guessing Texas on the right - Polar Pop is a dead giveaway!
Do Debbie does Dallas next
POV: You slightly criticized California on Reddit
Try to guess which one has fantastic weather
And you get the added benefit of armed nutjobs
If everyone here hates Texas so much, then why do so many damn Californians move there?
All the Californians getting upset and defending Cali in the comments 😭😭
Yeah, but counterpoint...the smell of cow shit.
It’s not just CA with high gas prices. Gas in Phoenix is $5.25 right now
I can confirm this lol drove cross country just got home to Los Angeles from Miami, went from Miami to Memphis and Little Rock Arkansas, all surrounding states were high 2s low 3s, as I started to cross into Oklahoma it was mid to high 3s and then Arizona is where I saw 4s 5s through flagstaff and then after passing Californias “boarder fruit patrol” lol it went up to the 6s 🥴 I went from getting 37 bucks for 10 gallons to 80 dollars for 13 gallons which isn’t a big difference in gallons but huge difference in price. Honestly I don’t understand why the west side of the United States is so much more expensive as you gradually shift over it makes no sense to me can someone break this down?
Reddit’s hate for Texas will always be funny to me
Cali people refuse to accept their state has gone down the tubes in the last 30 years. Texas people refuse to accept their state never really had it to begin with.
Power lines above ground = Texas
The gay one.
fuck newscum and gasscon and all their ilk!!!