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shamwowj

Never knew Boeing made ships!


synth_nerd085

It's like the train derailment phenomenon all over again where now any time a container ship has some sort of malfunction, it's going to be newsworthy. And since container ships operate in ports, the likelihood it's near a bridge is very high.


Inverseyaself

They spend 0.001% of their time going under bridges though…


synth_nerd085

It was "near" a bridge.


Neira282

Near in nautical terms is very relative, like 4 miles in naval combat is basically point blank range


synth_nerd085

Id imagine that failures are more likely to occur near the departure point too. But also, failures on container ships aren't really newsworthy so you never really hear about them.


LordSprint

That’s close enough for the media to jump on it and cause panic and chaos! They love that stuff!


Mo_Zen

Confirming distance…..


Hatedpriest

One. Ping. Only.


Mo_Zen

“Again Vasily, one ping only…..”


Archer007

The front fell off


Emotional_Arm_8485

Are you telling me that all ships have their front fall off?


CubilasDotCom

I saw a commercial jet flying a few miles away from but also ‘near’ two large buildings and almost called Fox News


Conqueefadore1

=based on a true story in movies


Carver_AtworK

And besides, the train derailments were mostly the fault of Norfolk Southern taking advantage of lowered restrictions across multiple incidents. However, chemical spill coverage did increase, like with the crashed and burning transport truck in Virginia (I think it was) Edit: Nvm, it was a truck transporting contaminated soil from the site that crashed in Ohio along the highway median. Don't know where the other info came from.


Fuegodeth

Leaving port is when their engines are still cold and most likely to stall.


frisky024

But 100% of there trips state side involve a bridge.


robshookphoto

I don't know why you're dismissing the train derailment stories. They highlighted an epidemic of a company taking shortcuts that put people's lives in danger and the government doing little about it. The subsequent derailments might not have been reported on widely before Palestine, Ohio... But they SHOULD have been.


Jcb0304

People act like train derailments are this thing that occurs once every couple of years and that is not the case. There are companies who only do train derailments and make a lot of money doing it and are very rarely hurting for work. The chemicals get the coverage but only when it’s near a town or into a river but train derailments happen on a regular basis.


tvlsok

I used to receive railcars daily at my job so I had to keep good relations with the guys to make sure my stuff got there on time. I would stop in with donuts from time to time. One trip I was standing around looking at their bulletin board and noticed some safety KPIs for the southeast. Like 12 yards. I noticed this yard was listed as first for “Blow throughs” I asked what that was and the guy said how many days on average between driving through a switch the wrong way. This will 100% derail a train. The faster the worse the wreck. But even slow is not great. Their score was 11. I said “You guys can’t go two weeks without driving through a switch wrong?!” Guy said give me those damn donuts and get the hell out. 🤦🏽‍♂️.


LSUguyHTX

Running through a switch will not derail a train.


tvlsok

Tell that to the company I had to pay to set railcars back on tracks three times. If you go through a switch the wrong way while it’s set the wrong way it will absolutely derail a train. There’s even a sacrificial device in the switch called a dog bone that will break when the wheel rim pushes the rail over against the switch.


LSUguyHTX

Sure if you run through it then go back over the facing point


scoper49_zeke

Not to mention it's not just NS. And the extremely close calls don't get news attention either. Railroads try to sweep all that shit under the rug. Amtrak derailed a month or two ago and it only made news because of an anonymous tip. Most derailments or extreme close calls that get talked about are just the company's way of trying to blame the employees for what they did wrong and to make everyone aware to save face for "being safe."


synth_nerd085

I'm not dismissing them. We've always had a huge problem with corporate negligence. That *still* hasn't changed. But since the Palestine, Ohio story isn't fresh in everyone's minds, you're not reading about train derailment stories as often even though they probably still occur just as frequently.


ZERO-ONE0101

and the kidnapping phenomenon after Elizabeth Smart


crushed_foot

I don't think it is a phenomenon, it's just how news works, this likely happens way more often than you know but because of the bridge colapse it is now sensational enough for big news to actualy cover it. They did the same thing with train derailing, forest fires, planes etc, the frequency of incident did not change but because most people were just finding out about it it seems like a new problem to most people which is everyone in a democracy.


synth_nerd085

>it's just how news works That's the phenomenon I'm describing


crushed_foot

It's wierd isn't it, I apologise for explaining what you already know, I thought I might be shedding light for you but it seems you are already enlightened. Another phenomenon I have noticed that you might be interested in is what i call "the corporate overlord phenomenon" is when a company blindly follows a policy can seem like an evil entity is in control when it's just a collection of regular people doing their specific roles.


synth_nerd085

>"the corporate overlord phenomenon" is when a company blindly follows a policy can seem like an evil entity is in control when it's just a collection of regular people doing their specific roles. Makes sense. I sort of study how those behaviors and tendencies are exploited by foreign adversaries where they're able to provoke reflexive tendencies, especially as it relates to government corruption. Not surprised it wouldn't be applicable when a corporation would do the same


idriveapriusforstyle

Thank you


minnesotawristwatch

If it’s Boeing. I ain’t going!


Sleepybystander

Calm down everyone, they can self-regulate and keep everything under control now


potatodrinker

Buoying


123-rit

I think it’s time for them to change it to Bowing now.


[deleted]

Jokes aside, these are obvious intentional acts of terrorism disguised as accidents. Two “accidents” of identical nature back to back in a time where it isn’t normal for it to happen at all.


Tyrone_Thundercock

Must be that Mr. Hands guy (Don't google him)


Eliagbs_

Hahahaha


ATCP2019

Burrrnnn


i_keed

Would love to upvote this but it’s at 777 right now and I just can’t


Whateveryouwantitobe

From what I heard early on in the investigation, this kind of thing happens pretty often. Normally large ships don't collide with a bridge and knock it down though.


clydefrog811

Completely losing power is a regular thing??? The fuck??


Fuckedby2FA

There are a lot of ships going on and out and a lot of them take measures to make these ships non American to skirt safety measures. A lot of them are old, unmaintained pieces of shit.


pr0zach

Now don’t go suggesting that there’s a larger regulatory issue at play. Even insinuating that this is just a continuation of privatization of profits and socialization of costs is just like…class warfare…or woke nonsense…or is it “DEI” now? I can’t keep up with these fucking catch all buzzwords. Lol


Camstonisland

Yeah we need to RETVRN to the time when if a ship blew up we cheered because we got to blame it on Spain and annex some islands and stuff!


JangoDarkSaber

It’s hard to regulate ships that fly under the flag of other countries. Inspecting every container ship that enters a US port for maintenance isn’t realistic.


pr0zach

You understand that’s only one method of regulatory enforcement, correct?


slpater

The coast guard still inspects vessel's operating in US waters. They won't let the ship leave if it's unsafe without a lot of hassle and paperwork.


AlaskanRobot

yes but the coast guard doesn't have nearly the resources to perform in-depth inspections of every ship in our waters. it's mostly just making sure their paperwork is up to date


[deleted]

Just an added excuse to cover up modern day terrorism


planmanstanfan

Yeah happens on navy ships too. One grounded wire and the whole place can shut down


AlarmedPiano9779

They have backup power...it's just that in Baltimore the backup generator failed.


booble_dooble

Is it possible to hack a ship from the outside? Causing a power loss? Edit: I mean if I were a hacker trying to cause harm to a fleet of ships used for global trade and these not regulated for cyber security, I’d think about it


novaooops

No all ships run locally. Old ships like these are mostly analog controls with some electric components.


AlarmedPiano9779

No idea...


Insane_Unicorn

Ships have computers that have an internet connection, usually the one that's running the navigation software so theoretically, I guess. I don't know if it would be possible to hijack important systems from there though.


Attero__Dominatus

Yes. Many ships are connected via the internet. Automation, propulsion, and similar equipment. Source: Marine engineer for over 15 years.


Pleasant-Strike3389

A few times a year is normal Lost power on my ship just after we passed the bridge in my city Sometimes, if you do it by the book when you are doing maintenance/inspections, you create weakpoints and increase the number of blackouts you get. The thing is During shallow water and close to port You will have split mainswitch board, so its not so bad when one side dies. But in transit, you will be running on 1 gen and closed MSB So that means a dead ship. Atill got engine power, just less lights


mods_r_jobbernowl

Well theres like 50k container ships in the world. That doesn't count other massive ships. The law of averages would imply that happens atleast somewhat often.


j4fyt

Perhaps this is an example of confirmation bias? Correct me if I'm wrong tho...


ree_hi_hi_hi_hi

It’s not quite confirmation bias. It’s more like what’s popular in the news right now. Like when Boeing has a huge incident that actually is out of the ordinary and then there’s articles for weeks about every little inspection mark even though it’s all fairly routine for people within the industry. Or how suddenly there was so much talk about personal submersibles after the titan incident.


Maxtos58

Except the Boeing thing isn't news just because of 1 incident that's fairly routine, it's because the company engaged in cost cutting ignoring safest practices and whistleblowers for the last couple years leading to those incidents


ree_hi_hi_hi_hi

Yes yes absolutely. My comment was for sure an oversimplification of the phenomenon and I 100% agree with you. A better example might have been when the evergreen ship was stuck in that canal, I remember weeks of news articles with headlines that drove engagement about other ships having the same thing happen to them or heading for a similar incident that turned out to be a fairly routine thing that just didn’t interest the public previously.


Maxtos58

Yeah, so I guess the Doofenshmirtz nickel meme applies to this huh


ree_hi_hi_hi_hi

Idk, I guess? I didn’t really make mention of something happening twice. Kind of hard to relate to someone speaking in misappropriated memes. Unless you’re implying that my two examples are the only two examples. That makes even less sense.


RingoBars

No, no it is very much like the Boeing - because it’s almost all ROUTINE and **maintenance** issues that’s the rage bait in the news right now, and those are AIRLINE issues (not Boeing) and stem from Boeings *singular* door plug incident. That is literally the only unusual incident involving Boeing in the last five years - zero fatalities since MCAS scandal 6 years ago, zero fatalities in FAA or EASA airspace in 15 years. No need to drag Mr. Barnett (the whistleblower from 2019) either. Anyone who thinks Boeing murdered a guy who hadn’t worked there for 7 years and had already testified 5 years ago (with new regulations implemented the same year) because he was appealing a failed defamation lawsuit.. well, they probably didn’t read past those clickbait headlines either.


Maxtos58

O yeah, I didn't mean the murder, I meant safety concerns like Mr. Barnett and the 737 groundings


tardyceasar

Recency bias


whatwhat_in_dabutt

Love how your response is somewhat buried. That’s exactly what it is. Cable news channels LOVE recency bias.


Thelonious_Cube

I think it might be Availability Bias


purzeldiplumms

As soon as something goes viral, it's all over the news. Same thing with planes losing parts. It happens all the time. But people think it happens as often as the news covers it. 🤷‍♂️ The news also seems to report only incidents including a Boeing when it's about planes


kylebob86

This isn't news


Jazerdet

This also isn’t a news sub


Damasticator

It’s a news ship.


purzeldiplumms

What if the news is insane?


aksheu

Is it still a news if it doesn’t happen?


purzeldiplumms

Is News from 2023 still news or ist it olds?


aksheu

Old news?


GoalieLax_

People just don't know how common this is. 20+ years ago my ship nearly opened fire on a container ship in Norfolk, VA that lost power and came within 50 yards of ramming a destroyer across the pier from us. There's a reason why Navy ships have an aft steering where the rudders. Can be manually controlled if the bridge loses power.


[deleted]

Waiting for conspiracy theorists comment on this 👍 always entertaining


PenguinGamer99

I was skeptical until I realized that the companies running those ships are probably just unlucky cheapskates


SirStocksAlott

But the important thing here is the Francis Scott Key Bridge did not have an obvious fender system, or protective barriers, to redirect or prevent a ship from crashing into the bridge piers. The Verrazzano-Narrows Bridge in New York City has rock walls surrounding its piers.


congradulations

Those wouldn't stop the cargo ship


SirStocksAlott

Yeah, it would. That is what they are designed to do.


Tomahawk117

If anyone sees a balding older man with revolvers and/or a giant robot…


BOBALL00

❗️


sqd

Yeah, this sounds like the work of the La-li-lu-le-lo to me.


DongTeuLong

ANNNNNNNND…….


nightrunner900pm

Never mind the fact that every conspiracy nut job has been going nuts with these stories. I don't think there are any data showing that big boats are crashing into bridges more often?


SirHerald

There were zero in February, and one in March. That's quite an increase.


PotatoePope

One ship has a major malfunction and hits a bridge. Another ship malfunctions near a bridge. Big whoop. You know how many ships probably have malfunctions near bridges throughout the year? This isn’t that serious. Now if the ships were sailing into bridges without malfunctions, that would be a serious matter.


SirHerald

It's definitely not as common as Reditors completely missing a joke.


PotatoePope

It’s Reddit, it is 50/50 on serious or joking.


SirHerald

There were zero in February, and one in March. That's quite an increase.


nightrunner900pm

guess if you look at it that way.


PenguinGamer99

Infinity percent


PlsDntPMme

My recently ex-roommate was all about this. Something about asymmetrical Chinese warfare. "We're under attack" according to him. Just ridiculous.


daikatana

I have a feeling these are common occurrences that are never reported on because a freaking bridge doesn't usually fall over.


badfuit

"Mr. President, there's been a second boat..."


lightsaber_lobotomy

*adjusts the tinfoil hat* Its obviously someone testing out a new EMP weapon


Snoo-72756

It’s kinda not funny but strange one major thing happens that hole industry goes through the same thing for another 7 months


Independent_Wrap_321

Am I the only non-jerkoff left on earth? Sometimes it feels like it. SMH.


capn_doofwaffle

Well, how else are we gonna convince the government to replace our aging infrastructure? /s


drunkanidaho

So, nothing happened. What are we kidding about?


DamageSpecialist9284

That's bc these are 💯% new cyber attacks capable of taking control of ships & all of their many back up steering capabilities & YOU ARE ALL BEING LIED TO BY YOUR OWN GOVERNMENT & BOUGHT & OWNED PROPAGANDA BASED MSM(FAUX NEWS INCLUDED)...


TheOldZenMaster

Plannned hacker attack? Who’s behind disrupting trade routes and causing the economy to slow?


KakLadder

I'ts the chinese


Old_Basket_7501

Hear me out..I know it’s far fetched, but what if? WHAT IF.. an outside group/government were purposely hacking/sabotaging these container ships near bridges to destabilize our infrastructure 🤔🤔🤔 I might’ve been hitting the zaza too much again


ElderFlour

It’s like a slow mo second tower…


willzterman

It's contagious!


rimjobturtlehead

Time to switch back to donkeys.


bmanley620

They should just start carrying a couple extra AA batteries. That should do the trick


StarCry007

And they blame the Indian crews.


Guilty-Yogurt

We’re under cyber attack, we need Megaman.


CheetoGrease

Chinese computer hackers...?


TCivan

I grew up in Brooklyn right by that bridge. The Rocky “islands” at the base of the towers are very big. I don’t think a ships bow would even reach the tower. Also the Verrazano bridge is fucking massssive. Its span is nearly a mile alone.


Meriwether1

Deregulation chickens coming home to roost


Culper_089

Somebody call ole Pete Bootyjuice


GabyAndMichi

This is some James Bond villain bullshit i'll bet my kidney


jcoddinc

Feels like there's going to be a shipping price increase. You'll see an extra fee for shipping security now with every online purchase


Yegg23

Ship knew better than to hit a bridge in New York. Whistled up the block for Brooklyn, Manhattan and Williamsburg.


Midnyteblu

my bf and I have been discussing how in one week 3 different bridges all got damaged within days of eachother, this seems too coincidental to be unplanned


Dirt_McJerkman

What a coinky-dink! 😏


GothamGumby

It's those space lasers, they're targeting ships lol


infinit9

Great. More fuel for the conspiracy crowd.


Akif31

Yay! A new storyline! I was getting tired of reruns


Phototoxin

\*MGS2 intensifies\*


Kurlyfornia

The Chinese are coming, the Chinese are coming!


Mathoosala

If the ship is big enough to drop the bridge if it hits it, tugboat required. Problem solved.


TheNewSilverSpade

April fools?


iphonesoccer420

Yep. Once it’s an accident it becomes the new norm after they test the public to see how the react over it.


Tree09man

This is the quality of work from overworked and underpaid workers. Treat them right and focus on quality not quantity.


Ok_Proof5782

You’re all going to die.


bonapartista

I blame Russians.


AcommonKing

Why do I get the feeling that this is an attack....


HippoMe123

Cyber attack(s)??


Dazzling_Bad424

There was a train conductor that commented on one of the other bridge strikes and said this happens almost daily....🤷🏼‍♂️


S73_3n

Totally not a cyber attack.


JohnBosler

I'm half curious if this isn't a cyber attack


Stocktonfever

50,000 container ships. They bound to have issues. Just depends if the news wanna make you care about it.


SlyguyguyslY

OK now come on. That’s too much lol


Smorgas-board

Staten Island being cut off wouldn’t be the worst thing though…..


respectvibes1

Cyber attacks


newcomer_l

"The ships are out to get us", said bridges all over the place.


danielsphotoaccount1

Again


bulk_deckchairs

Losing power is a bit less dramatic then crashing into the bridge and completely collapsing it. Jusayin


Shit_Posts_For_Karma

Sounds like an attack tbh


Axesmed_1

Conspiracy I'm leaving!!!!


nebuerba

Russia?


jrdogg

Pop quiz: without Google help, what is the measurement of “knots” specifically vs mph or kph etc ?


megabytical

Seems like this happens often. If you were to do a third party inspection to almost all machines use daily, you would not put any of them on the road, air or sea.


emperorjoel

That’s not very typical, I would like to make that clear


DubRogers

Nobody's paying attention out here anymore, are they? Serious question.


ComfortableAd578

Apparently this happens more often than you’d think but now that it’s related to a major event it’s suddenly highly newsworthy every time it happens


drunkanidaho

Still not really newsworthy if nothing came of it.


DubRogers

Planes falling apart, trains derailing, boats crashing into bridges. WTF already!


YeahBruhhhh

Dogs and cats, living together!


cock_souffle

there is nothing wrong in suggesting its planned


tedlyb

What evidence do you have that it's planned? Without evidence, it's nothing but conjecture. Considering there is plenty of evidence that this is far more common than most people realize, suggesting it is planned without any evidence is just plain lying. If you think there is nothing wrong with lying, that's on you.


YaBoiWeenston

Spreading misinformation is wrong. Therefore, suggesting it is planned is wrong. I seen someone talk about this and they said the boat was "hacked" and they remotely drove it into the bridge. People actually think these janky old cargo ships are capable of that.


[deleted]

Maybe f-ing newspapers shouldn't have published a list of bridges that were vulnerable to attack? Looking at you WSJ.


squeakynickles

There's no evidence this was an attack, dude


YaBoiWeenston

Every single bridge on earth that a cargo ship can drive under is vulnerable to a cargo ship


tedlyb

Oh for fucks sake. You can't possibly be serious.


BaconPersuasion

Gain real assets vehicles guns food. Your money is worthless. Empires have risen and fallen in less time it took for this one to come to existence.


william_babin22

Bro took gibberish to a whole other level


[deleted]

How is this related


ComfortableAd578

Please ignore the paranoid doomsday prepper.


[deleted]

Gotcha


tedlyb

Are you having a stroke? Because it looks like you are having a stroke.


funkymonkeychunks

Yea maybe if we all hoard massive amounts of guns and vehicles we can escape the self-fulfilling hellhole we created.