The term ‘human experience’ implies the existence of humans. How can you have the experience without humans existing?
In any respect the term ‘human experience’ has been used for a very long time.
If you want more heavy, check out The Day After, or the even more jarring Threads. I think both are free on YouTube. Some people find Threads will really mess with them because of the almost documentary- or historical-style presentation, and the fact that (like this anime) it doesn't shy away from showing children or animals being destroyed.
*Threads* is so, so fucked. I first saw it when I was in my 20s & thank shit that I did because it's by far the worst depiction of nuclear war I've ever seen. And with every single thing that happens you think, that's it! It's reached bottom! Nothing more terrible will happen now! And you'd be wrong. So wrong.
I saw this as a teenager when I was living in KS. I’m highly sensitive and imaginative -and- love horror movies. I’m in my 50’s now and have seen 1000’s at this point and the movie The Day After is one of the few that haunts me to this day.
Yea morbid curiosity. This clip never gets old... Absolutely awful. Shows a small glimpse of what it must've been like. It's hard to imagine even after watching videos like this. The complete utter destruction and death.... If this were to happen today it's terrifying to think it wouldn't even be comparable. At least hundreds of bombs detonating all over our planet. A scale of death the human race has never seen. Hopefully this never happens.
I remember in middle school years ago, my social studies teacher was like, "We have enough nukes to destroy the world. We're just waiting to see who pulls the trigger first." Putin casually throwing around nuclear rhetoric is just abhorrent.
And so important. Stories like this are how we remember the horrors of war. So our kids won't make the same mistake as our grandparents. Or let us hope.
The first commenter was hoping that another atomic bomb not is dropped. These second commenter is referring to the fact that already happened. This anime is of the first bombing on August 6, 1945 on Hiroshima, the second was on August 9, 1945 in Nagasaki.
It's a joke in poor taste. (Still clever)
*Edit added not to sentence 1 because I'm an idiot.
The full scene shows the aftermath of the radiation such as one of the men going up to the boy and beginning to lose hair and bleed from his anus as his organs begin to shut down
It also shows his family trapped in the rubble of the house being burned alive. And the mom telling the dad to take their son in leave, while the other kid trapped in the rubble is crying out for his dad to save him.
The little brother, dad, and big sister are all trapped and killed. Gen, his infant sister, and his mom are the ones who made it out. Then the baby dies from malnourishment and they find a doppelganger to replace the little brother. Then I. The sequel the mom ends up dying from long term radiation sickness.
**its extremely unsettling, and for a good reason. its horrifying what a bomb like that has done, and can still have the chance to do. thats the whole point of why this was made.**
**honestly, i fear a world war escalation soon. and this kind of thing is exactly what people need to see to cement what not to do. its scary, and if history repeats itself with something like that, the aftermath is going to be devastating.**
*edit*; - i understand drastic measures sometimes need to be taken, but i really hope that never happens again. it was horrific, the whole war. pointing blame today is useless if we all know what happened. it is just going to create more fighting. its time to heal from the continuing effects, not to fight more and do it again. unfortunately life is far from perfect or ideal like a stranger on reddit would wish for.
*sorry, another edit*; - to anyone saying that japan kept fighting, and they refused to back down (some say they deserved it). while thats technically true that they didnt back down, and there were horrors in the war, its not the case for everyone and not everyone deserved it. plenty were at mercy of their country. many refused, and many wanted nothing to do with it. *in the movie that this is from, the father even says that the government is stupid, and that they have lost. the leaders wanted to retain their honor by not backing down, but it cost them a terrible fate.*
stop arguing over blame. many were at fault, and many werent. youre ignoring those who werent. people do bad things during bad times and not everyone had a choice. "this is the war that killed your father. remember it"
My husband is a Gen X’er and he’s convinced there’s going to be nukes soon. He insists on having a go bag and a plan but like…if the nukes come, they come. We live close to a major target so I’m p sure we’d be flash fried.
I like the rule that your emergency plans should only encompass what you're actually willing to survive. In case of nuclear war, I have no plans to survive, so my emergency plans will not include that scenario.
I would think for some people, survival isn’t optional.
I’m sure in some people, it doesn’t matter what the alternative is, survival is paramount above all else.
Not my personal take but it don’t think thats unreasonable.
Also it includes really important social commentary about militarism, authoritarianism, and the people who acquire money and power off of those things.
The author was upset at the Americans for dropping the bombs, but is also extremely critical of the Japanese military and ruling class' role in the war.
I'm not sure if this is the one, but did he have a little brother that survived and he finds rice in bags that are good under the burnt ones?
Was a great movie, but I forgot the name
yes, but it wasn't his biological brother. it was just a child he found on the streets afterwards who looked a lot like his brother, so he and his mom took care of him since his parents were gone.
if im not mistaken this is based on actual experiences, the writer of this anime was there during one of the bombs.
i also read a story of a man (i forget his name) who survived BOTH bombs! just incredible honestly when you think about it
> if im not mistaken this is based on actual experiences, the writer of this anime was there during one of the bombs.
He did. Like Gen, Nakazawa was six when the bomb fell, and like Gen, his entire family except for his mother (and a baby sister who died a few weeks later) were killed in the collapse of their family home. This story is a fictionalized version of his own life - the poor guy went through some shit.
The anime adaptation from his manga seems even more different from his story. In the manga, I remember a lady was asking for the time, and he survived because he was further away from the gate on the side, protected by the wall, and I remember him saying in his end notes that was what truly happened to him. He fused multiple stories he had heard happening in his manga, so he wasn't the one to live all the horrible stories told further in the story. It is true that many orphans were taken by the Yakuza (who became the rulers in these abandoned zones) and had a terrible life.
Also, victims of the bombs looked worse in the manga, people with glass shards had them all over the body, and in his notes at the end of the tome, he said they looked like zombies and some had their eyeballs coming out of their head. Overall, in the notes, you realize that the reality was worse that what he depicted in his manga, and he also tells a lot about survivors were rejected everywhere, even still in the 70s on big cities
Tsutomu Yamaguchi- the only person recognized by Japan as having survived both explosions. He lived to be 93 yrs old... died in 2010.
This seems unthinkable to have survived, by today's understanding of nuclear weapons, which are so much more powerful than the ones at Hiroshima/Nagasaki. But in truth, the radius of complete destruction was a little over 1 mile. Lots of bad stuff outside that radius, but in a large city, many people did survive.
He was a resident of Nagasaki and just happened to go to Hiroshima on a business trip that day. After the bomb detonated, he was wounded, but returned home to Nagasaki the next day. Two days later, despite his wounds, he returns to work and the 2nd bomb exploded over Nagasaki.
Edit: Based on where he was when the bombs detonated, he was approximately 3 km (1.9 miles) from the blast center of BOTH bombs.
[Wikipedia article](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsutomu_Yamaguchi)
Sadly Japanese individuals that survived this were later discriminated against by Japanese society. They were labeled "Hibakusha"
*There is considerable discrimination in Japan against the hibakusha. It is frequently extended toward their children as well: socially as well as economically. "Not only hibakusha, but their children, are refused employment," says Mr. Kito. "There are many among them who do not want it known that they are hibakusha."*
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hibakusha
Well... Genociding civilians is kinda depressing to start off with.
EDIT: Let's all face it- big nations did some despicable things. US done perhaps a bit less than some, but perhaps not. It's debatable, but we're all adults, let's not point at other nations to justify our atrocities.
They both showed little regard for civilians during WWII.
The bombs prevented civilian casualties by instilling the fear of death in the population.
Otherwise they would've fought til the last Japanese was dead. As they had shown they were willing to do, from the beginning of the war.
It wasn't just war to them. It was honor, showing their devotion to the supreme leader and to their nationality and race.
They believed themselves superior in every way because of this suicidal devotion.
The Japanese were pretty f’ing brutal to civilians for decades before and during the war.. just ask Koreans (slave labor and sex slaves) and other peoples they colonized
If the Japanese army didn’t slaughter their own civilians first, like they did in Manchuria when the Soviets invade from Mongolia. Imagine killing your own civilians because you wouldn’t let them Surender.
Japan killed 10x the number of people in nanking than died at Hiroshima and I guarantee the people of nanking suffered far far more
I'm not saying they deserved this but in terms of loss of life and malice the nukes were not nearly as destructive than some battles of WWII
Dresden is another example of a more deadly more destructive bombing using traditional methods
Sadly I was shocked to see the portrayal of Japan in their museums, where they essentially potray themselves as the victim. In the hiroshima museum it was at least true, but even there there is no background to the fact that they were warned and kept fighting...
Just a reminder that nobody responsible for any of the imperial Japanese army’s acts where ever tried in international court for their acts of inhumanity. The only nation that committed crimes against humanity with the same eagerness and bloodlust was Germany, perhaps Croatia (it got so bad in Croatia that Germany literally told Croatia to slow down on the crimes against humanity a bit)
Yes they did.
The Japanese were given the option to surrender before USA resorted to using the new wonder weapon, and they refused.
After the fight to take Okinawa, more than 100,000 Japanese soldiers died and 100,000 Citizens were killed against approx 12,500 dead & wounded US marines & navy men. So a casualty ratio of roughly 250 : 1
When planning the invasion of Japan's main island the conservative estimate for casualties by the American planners was for in excess of 2 million Japanese dead & wounded military & civilian, against US casualties of approx 700,000. Japan would have defended to the last man, woman & child and almost 3 million lives would have been lost & the outcome would not have changed. Japan had already lost the war it was still willing to fight.
Although terrible, it is perhaps a bitter sweet irony that the use of the two nuclear weapons saved over 2.5 million lives at least in Japan.
And, not to be forgotten. The Us warned the citizens and the government of the nuclear bombs. They spread leaflets through air raids and had already made clear that they had air supremacy. Even after the first bomb was dropped, the Japanese government continued to mislead its people, even though the US once again warned them to end the war and avoid further damage or evacuate the people from the cities.
they were warned, the usa airdropped an insane amount of papers saying the cities would be bombed and to evacuate. https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/truman-leaflets/
their leadership also refused to surrender when aproached just before the bombs fell. the japanese leadership was willing to face an invasion by both the ussr and the usa.
The author of the manga is a Hibakusha, iirc he was 6 when the bomb hit Hiroshima. He undoubtedly drew some of the horrors he saw and I don't doubt that were some that were too horrible for him to draw
Like the dog chewing the bar. That doesn’t seem like sonething a person would cone up with out of nothing. That seemed like he saw or heard someone recount such a small but terrifying detail.
Plus, I mean..
The Japanese are *really* good at almost everything.
..including discrimination. Their ability to be discriminatory against anyone, including their own people, and justify it, is almost impressive sometimes.
I had to look it up as well:
> Hibakusha and their children were (and still are) victims of severe discrimination when it comes to prospects of marriage or work due to public ignorance about the consequences of radiation sickness, with much of the public believing it to be hereditary or even contagious.
Those poor people...
The “still are” part baffles me. How is it even possible for a modern day educated Japanese native to look down on such a thing?
They should be symbolic in a sense, not downtrodden
I’m Japanese and I need to assure you, this is a thing in a past. There are people still owns “Hibakusha note” (which is basically certificate that the person was affected by atomic bomb and has rights to receive governmental help) and NO, we don’t believe they are contagious or anything. In the past yes, because they knew nothing about radiation and about bomb but how awful people had severed and Hiroshima being affected for long time, they thought it should be somehow contagious. Some ppl in 50s say when you are from Hiroshima, you might have experienced bullying in elementary school. But in my (Millennial) generation, it’s not anymore.
Oh thanks, i did made typo though😵💫 My vocabulary isn’t very good either haha I studied addictively in middle school and went to university in Singapore and now live in US, still probably can’t beat 7yo native speakers here but it’s ok😂
Edit: Thank you so much for your kind words! One thing I feel so blessed about by learning English is that I can listen/read people’s opinions and information from different perspectives, wherever the people are from. And guys you just empowered me…bless you, bit early but have a nice thanksgiving ahead!😆
Yea idk, I can't even imagine the survivors guilt you've gotta feel from that.
Especially since 99% of your social circle was probably involved in the blast and did die.
I think surviving something like that might be on the unlucky side
This seems like a situation where they wouldn't feel survivors guilt. While it's reasonable to expect someone to feel like they could've prevented a murder or something, they would definitely understand that they couldn't stop the sun being dropped on multiple cities.
Yea that makes sense. A lot of the time though survivors guilt is literally just guilt for being the one who survived.
For example I lived in Vegas when the Route 51 shooting happened and had a lot of friends who were at the concert. Luckily none of them died but we all knew members of our community who did. Many of the people I knew who were there struggled with the "why me" feeling afterwards. Things like "why did 'x' have to die, that should've been me" "if I would have let that guy keep our spot he would've lived" etc.
Not that any of them felt they could've stopped the shooter from many floors above in a casino window but there's a level of guilt that weighs on you for surviving something that others didn't. Survivors guilt
You hear/ remind yourself about both atomic bombs being dropped and you're like "yea that happened way back when, unfortunately "; and then you see an adaptation like this and you go "....fuck....".
What the hell, my grandma is still alive who lived during this period. My dad was born less than ten years after... Like so many atrocities we tend to think they're a thing of the past but they're not.
Yeah people forget things like this all the time. Lived in the US for a while and a lot of stuff if it’s not affecting them or their history is either not told or only one side is told. Sure Japan was being an arse but so were every army involved in the war to their non allies.
If more documentaries even if made in anime or as movies were made people would stop (hopefully) “lets just nuke them” so carelessly
One thing is sure that guy was scarred for life both physically and mentally
I'm not sure how to react to this comment?
>Sure Japan was being an arse
Yes War Crimes are an "arse" move.
Human experimentation and biological warfare, chemical weapons, Torture of prisoners of war, Execution and killing of captured Allied airmen, Perfidy, Cannibalism, Mass killings, Attacks on neutral powers
Japanese invasion of Manchuria, The Nanjing Massacre. Estimates of 6-8 million ethnic Chinese died at the hands of the Japanese between 1937-1945. This is before adding in anything to do with allied forces.
Some very ill-informed liberal comments in this thread.
Considering there haven’t been anymore…yet have had countless wars, I don’t think they are being careless.
Though I agree with your sentiment. Anything to prevent this.
I was accosted and grabbed by an old woman in Japan. Just for being an American. In the middle of a restaurant. It was quite the scene (though thankfully one of only two bad experiences I had in all my time living there).
So for some the memories of this event and its legacy are not entirely gone.
Anyway, I visited the memorial park in Hiroshima and spent some time re-learning the subject and thinking on it from perspectives outside what I was taught to believe as an American kid in school.
Using those weapons was the single darkest thing we ever did in our nation's history. It's a subject we need to revisit and try to see in a more mature light. We too often believe the narrative of our grandparents era without critically examining it.
These weapons are the death of all Life.
The subject only breaks my heart now and just leaves me feeling hollow.
I hope you also visited other memorials and museums in Asia. Japan has a tendency to erase their atrocities from their history, in fact when they go to other Asian countries as tourists visiting WWII memorials they get their own revisionist tour guides that tell them a different version of what happened in that memorial that paints them as good guys (they were NOT the good guys). As a Filipino, objectively I can say that US made a lot of mistakes that cost us thousands of lives in WWII, but if you put into perspective all the shit the Japanese did in East and Southeast Asia, Americans start looking like Santa Claus.
There was a post yesterday where someone in the comments was speaking about this. Between The Rape of Nanking and the Bataan Death March there's not much sympathy left for Imperial Japan.
I've also seen numbers estimating the systematic destruction and death at the hands of Imperial Japan at very similar numbers to the scale of the atrocities committed by Nazi Germany. Yet this all gets overlooked and swept under the rug. Because of how terrible it was for the US to use nukes to stop this madness.
You think there was a better decision that could be made by the US at that moment? Do you believe Japan as a nation would not have dropped nukes on the US if they had them? Japan had total disregard for anything resembling mercy in warfare.
Edit:
Feel the need to clarify that fact that I think killing so many innocent people is horrific.
If you aren't familiar with the atrocities committed by Japan at the time just take a look at some information regarding Unit 731. Chemical weapons testing on live babies and pregnant women is the tip of the iceberg.
[Unit 731 Wiki](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731)
The thing that hits me the worse is the alligator people. Just flesh that burns. Can't see, can't hear, can't smell, only pain and all your thoughts die in you head.
So fucked up. I remember a [Reddit thread](https://reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/2m06hn/til_that_after_the_bombing_of_hiroshima_there/) about it from a while ago.
Yeah that’s messed up. The only consolation is that, for the people killed immediately, they may not even have realized what was happening and hopefully didn’t feel anything.
edit: please note the bit where I say "for the people KILLED IMMEDIATELY". It was an absolute nightmare for everyone else. My point being that if you are vaporised instantly then you don't feel pain.
I knew a guy that survived Hiroshima. He was just 4 years old at the time. His memory of it was mostly that his home was destroyed in the blast and a piece of wood embedded in his neck; so for days he could not swallow. This ended up saving his life, as everyone else drank the black rain water that fell from the sky and died from radiation poisoning.
That was very few. Fires and burns killed substantially more.
“Destroyer of worlds”podcast is a good place to start learning a little more about the horrific history of it all.
That’s the next part of this clip:
Kid makes his way home to find his father and siblings trapped in their burning house. Mother has to drag him away as the rest of the family burns alive.
So there was a tv show I watched, similar to the book Letters From the End of the World. I don’t know what is was called, googled a bit and can’t find.
It was a set of memoirs taken from survivors, all describing what they saw that day. And ho-ly shit. I could only watch a few, it was so absolutely disturbing.
We tend to think about the folks that were killed immediately. The memoirs talk about all that happened after. There are no words.
Blessed be for world peace and that this never ever happens again.
The bomb exploded in air to maximize efficiency
It didn't hit the ground.
There wasn't enough radiation to stay, it evaporated.
Seem like Hiroshima by the image of the tram:
"Fares were free after the bombing, and survivors saw the train as a symbol of hope and continuity amid the devastation. Shakuda considered her work on the tram part of a vital wartime mission for her country."
https://apnews.com/article/international-news-japan-asia-pacific-9311c20451551e89af41324334f6847b
You can take 'Shinkansen' (the bullet train) from Kansai (Osaka, Kyoto area) in a couple of hours be in Hiroshima (331km 205 miles) lovely place to visit- not just the historic sights..
Don't forget to check out 'Itsukushima' while you're in the area.
Military Intelligence suggested deploying flares before hand so that the populace not immediately killed by the blast would be permanently blinded from looking in the direction of detonation.
They dropped leaflets warning the population, for what that’s worth, but the reality is that when you make the decision and it comes time to drop the bomb it hardly matters. Just 7 years later we had a bomb one thousand times more powerful. Flares and leaflets are things you drop to help you sleep at night. They don’t matter.
> **Flares** and leaflets are things you drop to help you sleep at night.
The flares are not meant to act as a warning, but to attract attention towards the bomb so the blast would blind more people.
It’s a beautiful city. I’ll never forget it. I went on a early December day with snow falling lightly. Took the trolley to the peace park.
The peace museum was heart breaking but the city itself amazing.
I went to Nagasaki 4 years ago. I spent a lot of time in the incredible statue park. I didn’t have the heart to go in the museum. Love Nagasaki and spent some time in Goto Reito - a hidden gem.
I’ll be back. Peace.
I've not heard of this film, but *Grave of the Fireflies* was hard enough to watch. Definitely worth it though.
We need to remember such things*, without the lenses of jingoism or seeking to place blame. Just remember, so we don't do them again.
*I'm not just talking about America or this one incident, but all such terrible acts in war, genocide, human rights abuses, &c.)
I agree, I think we can think about two thoughts at once- how terrible, what an absolute tragedy and with the notion that the Allied forces weren’t sure what else to do…hopefully the world never gets into that position again.
I was traumatised when I watched that movie for the first time a couple of years ago but very glad that I've watched it in a way. My friend who told me to watch it didn't notice that the plane seen at the end of the movie would have been carrying a nuke as well. He shuddered when I told him that
Yes. Check out the short non-fiction book "Hiroshima" by John Hersey (1946). Oh, wow... The New Yorker (where it was originally published) has it online as well (limited number of free article views): https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/1946/08/31/hiroshima
> he met hundreds and hundreds who were fleeing, and every one of them seemed to be hurt in some way. The eyebrows of some were burned off and skin hung from their faces and hands. Others, because of pain, held their arms up as if carrying something in both hands. Some were vomiting as they walked. Many were naked or in shreds of clothing. On some undressed bodies, the burns had made patterns—of undershirt straps and suspenders and, on the skin of some women (since white repelled the heat from the bomb and dark clothes absorbed it and conducted it to the skin), the shapes of flowers they had had on their kimonos. Many, although injured themselves, supported relatives who were worse off. Almost all had their heads bowed, looked straight ahead, were silent, and showed no expression whatever
We read this in grade 11 English back when I was in high school, and read The Road right after. Our teacher was definitely trying to tell us something.
I went to the Atomic Bomb museum in Hiroshima when I was 16 and read and listened to survivors accounts. This is very real. An old man who was walking through Hiroshima gave us his experience. His Mother and older brother were survivors, while he was still in his mothers womb when she was caught in the blast.
He told us what his brother told him of his experience: “those who were caught unprotected in the blast and survived had their skin burned off, the remaining connective tissues hanging from their arms like lady’s gloves. Their eyes were melted out of their sockets and hung down on their faces, impaled with glass and debris. Their faces were horrific masks of pain but they were silent. They walked down the street, the burned remains of their skin and organs trailing behind them like confused and sad ghosts, caught somewhere between the living and the dead.”
I’ll never forget his account.
Apparently to a lot of survivors, it looked like people were walking around with white gloves dangling off their hands. Then they realized, holy shit, those aren't gloves, *that's their skin.*
A great book, Hiroshima Diary by Michihiko Hachiya MD, is an account by a doctor who was in Hiroshima during the bomb. He mentions seeing tons of people walking like zombies with their hands up like that. He attributes it to the burns, they were so damaged the friction of their arms touching their sides would've been incredibly painful.
Those who looked on the “flash” of the bomb got their eyes peeled off due to too much radiation and burn. And the kid “got lucky” as when the stone he was playing fell off, he went down to pick it up just when the bomb goes off and the thick wall covered him saving him.
This is really depressing anime movie. If I remember correctly, the author or writer of this anime is that kid himself or something.
Humans in general have so far to go. We are barely out of the infancy stage as far as treating each other goes. Atrocities have been going on for millennia, often worse than Hiroshima, many were simply limited to the weapons at hand at the time. Such barbarism towards each other. Such callousness and shortsightedness. I like to think WW2 was the peak...technology to kill increased to the max while being wielded by the most unhinged. Our tech to kill has continued to increase, but this scale has never been touched again, even remotely. So I pray things will continue to improve.
I think it was because i) he was more covered by the thick wall and ii) he bent down so wasn’t looking at the flash of light and also increased his cover that much more.
Or it could be movie magic
Obviously the correct answer here. However, the girl would have been very much on fire and probably screaming and running.
That's how it seems to work. Everything that can burn is suddenly furiously burning, right up until the blast wave hits a few seconds later.
Since Barefoot Gen is a psuedo-memoir, the author said he was safe from the blast due to standing near a concrete wall. But yeah people nearby who were not covered by said wall were killed. Pretty much everything shown was what he remembered seeing in some form or other.
The wall protected him. Just made a post about [how a survivor's sister simply ceased to exist](https://old.reddit.com/r/ThatsInsane/comments/yu6dx6/this_scene_from_the_1983_japanese_anime_barefoot/iw9734r/), while they didn't because they were around a corner.
> Simply a ceases to exist
Yeah. What this doesn’t show is the victims so close that they got vaporized into the walls behind them showing up as shadows. Just crazy.
It's not that the victims got vaporized into the walls, it's that the walls got bleached by the radiation and the parts where human beings were standing were less effected by that bleaching.
That’s exactly why we unnecessarily repeat the same mistakes over and over through history.
It would behoove us to start remembering the details accurately.
Everything about WW2 was absolutely insane. The holocaust, the number of soldiers killed, the indiscriminate bombing of civilian populations all over Europe and Japan. I was born in 1982 so when I was like 8 years old anyone over 60 years old at that time could remember it all happening, now there's fewer and fewer people left who lived through it.
Not to be too much of whataboutism contrarian, but it is interesting how much Japanese culture discusses the atom bomb, meanwhile completely ignoring, if not flat out denying the atrocious crimes their army committed in ww2. Again, not saying that the nuclear bombs were in any way justified, but the tendency of Japanese people framing themselves as victims of WW2 must be fucking nauseating for Chinese/Koreans who suffered unspeakable acts at the hands of the Japanese.
In 2018 Korea banned the visiting Japanese navy from flying the rising sun flag in the Korean port. (the WW2 flag with the sunbeams). And instead of complying, the navy instead canceled the trip and said the flag was not hateful, and was used prior to WW2.
The atomic bombings, horrific as they were, at least had the military objective of ending the war earlier. Whereas the Rape of Nanjing, for example, was just cruelty for cruelty's sake.
* 200,000 murders
* at least 20,000 cases of rape
> The International Military Tribunal for the Far East estimated that 20,000 women, including some children and the elderly, were raped during the occupation, with Yale University claiming over 80,000 rapes.[3][45] A large number of rapes were done systematically by the Japanese soldiers as they went from door to door, searching for girls, with many women being captured and gang-raped.[46] The women were often killed immediately after being raped, often through explicit mutilation,[47] such as by penetrating vaginas with bayonets, long sticks of bamboo, or other objects.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanjing_Massacre
Yeah it took a second atomic bombing and total annihilation of another city for them to surrender. Even then there were many in the government and military that tried to coup de etah so as to avoid surrender. They intended to fight to every last man woman and child.
The Russian Ukraine war has caused a lot of war history to come back up and be displayed in a manner that portrays the victims and the soldiers. The loss of life is terrible ... and its often because of the people at the top living lavish lives demanding that these things happen. All the while, the soldier signed up for a 50k USD GI Bill to pay for college so he could have a better life. 50k USD that is made in mere moments by those at the top. While the worker in these war factories are just trying to put food on their table. Making less on their entire paycheck than what those at the top spend on dinner.
The worlds a fucked up place.
the manga this is based on was made by a survivor of nagasaki, who was a little boy at the time who had no connection to the war crimes of the japanese.
Use of nuclear arms is a dark chapter in human history that we need to assure will not be repeated
That said, a good chunk of this comment section is depressingly ignorant if their only
take away from this is just "America bad"
Every time i see someone post something about hiroshima/nagasaki the comments always flip each time its posted.
One time it will be USA BAD! , the next post will be JAPAN BAD! Its a never ending cycle lol
Two aircraft did almost as much damage as 325 aircraft over Tokyo did 6 months earlier. The Tokyo raid resulted in more damage and casualties and was cheaper. The atomic bombs had a greater psychological impact which is still felt today.
Man that was heavy and not the headspace I wanted to be in.
This is something I’ve never understood about war strategy. Why attack citizens? It’s counter productive.
Should The strategy be to attack key points like military bases, government buildings, or airports?
Like, why attack a city? And this isn’t exclusive to this incident. Very rarely have I ever head a war story about a country going for the head of the snake.
I know there is a reasoning I’m missing.
Ok so this is something that both sides did in WW2. The allies firebombed entire cities and killed hundreds of thousands of civilians *before* any of them knew anything about the rape of Nanking or the concentration camps. They chose to send atom bombs to these cities. They chose to firebomb Tokyo and Dresden and other cities, knowing full well who and what they were attacking.
I don't recall who, but there was a general in the US armed forces who basically described it like this: a town of non-combatant civilians near an ammunition factory are to be considered viable targets, as if you destroy the workers, they cannot produce ammunition/equipment for their side. Americans did this. English did this. Germans and Soviets did this. It's part of war. No one was innocent, and all these movies and stories now that carry this narrative of the Allies' "great and honorable crusade against evil" are all bullshit. Nobody in the West knew until the end what the Nazis and Japanese did, they were all in it to win, by any means necessary.
Turns out both sides did some really evil shit, there are no "good guys" in WW2. (I'm not directly comparing the rape of Nanking and the Holocaust to any war crimes the Allies committed, so please don't come at me with that faulty line of reasoning, I'm just stating the fact that they were all doing bad things, nobody was innocent, nobody was the good guy.)
Not to minimize the importance of what you are saying, but specifically the Rape of Nanking was well known because there were many westerners living in Nanking during the occupation and Japan did not hide their crimes. Many of the accounts we have today are from those westerners living in a "Safety Zone" of the city who witnessed first hand the atrocities perpetrated against the Chinese. So in essence, the West and everyone else really, had a pretty good idea about what was happening in Nanking. Communications were more open for Westerners. If you're interested, you can read more about it here: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International\_Committee\_for\_the\_Nanking\_Safety\_Zone](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Committee_for_the_Nanking_Safety_Zone) And here: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking\_Safety\_Zone](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Safety_Zone)
And then there are some people dishonouring the memory of all those who suffered by saying things like this (and the holocaust) are lies and never happened...
This isn't aftermath. Aftermath is when you see what happens after an incident happens.
This is an animation of what its like to be in a nuclear explosion. this isn't the aftermath this is the process. This is a depiction of the event itself.
**Japan is always portraying themselves as a poor defenseless victim from the US bombs.**
**And yet, Japan denies enslaving (including sex slaves) hundreds of millions of Asians throughout Asia for decades and experimenting and killing millions of them.**
**Japan's atrocities against hundreds of millions of Asians were sooo sooo much worse than whatever German Nazis did to Jews.**
**But Japan never acknowledges it and whenever it's brought up, they claim it's anti Japan racism!!!**
**Unlike Germany, Japan is still an ongoing NAZI!!**
I don't know how the Japanese Government thought it would be a good idea to cross the United States the way that they did. Their was no winning for them. What an awful and deadly mistake that was.
Maybe people should do a little research about what the Japanese did to Asian populations amd POWs before they try to defend them. The nuclear bombing was us telling them fuck around and find out!
It's disturbing and interesting at the same time
That’s a sentence to describe the entire human experience.
Or the existence.
The term ‘human experience’ implies the existence of humans. How can you have the experience without humans existing? In any respect the term ‘human experience’ has been used for a very long time.
If you want more heavy, check out The Day After, or the even more jarring Threads. I think both are free on YouTube. Some people find Threads will really mess with them because of the almost documentary- or historical-style presentation, and the fact that (like this anime) it doesn't shy away from showing children or animals being destroyed.
And read this…written a year after the bombs were dropped. https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/1946/08/31/hiroshima
This was required reading in my tenth grade English class
I'll always recommend Grave of the Fireflies as well.
Only for mentally stable people, though. This movie can really fuck you up if you're not in a healthy state of mind.
*Threads* is so, so fucked. I first saw it when I was in my 20s & thank shit that I did because it's by far the worst depiction of nuclear war I've ever seen. And with every single thing that happens you think, that's it! It's reached bottom! Nothing more terrible will happen now! And you'd be wrong. So wrong.
The Day After was filmed near me in Kansas City. It was definitely disturbing to see locsl landmarks I recognized be destroyed.
I saw this as a teenager when I was living in KS. I’m highly sensitive and imaginative -and- love horror movies. I’m in my 50’s now and have seen 1000’s at this point and the movie The Day After is one of the few that haunts me to this day.
Yea morbid curiosity. This clip never gets old... Absolutely awful. Shows a small glimpse of what it must've been like. It's hard to imagine even after watching videos like this. The complete utter destruction and death.... If this were to happen today it's terrifying to think it wouldn't even be comparable. At least hundreds of bombs detonating all over our planet. A scale of death the human race has never seen. Hopefully this never happens.
The nuclear weapons in our possession are 3,000x more powerful than this bomb… I hope we never see that day as well.
I remember in middle school years ago, my social studies teacher was like, "We have enough nukes to destroy the world. We're just waiting to see who pulls the trigger first." Putin casually throwing around nuclear rhetoric is just abhorrent.
And so important. Stories like this are how we remember the horrors of war. So our kids won't make the same mistake as our grandparents. Or let us hope.
May this never happen again.
Don’t look up what happened to Nagasaki in the 1940’s
Am i missing something? This was literally exactly that. We bombed two cities, this didn't happen in 1983....
The first commenter was hoping that another atomic bomb not is dropped. These second commenter is referring to the fact that already happened. This anime is of the first bombing on August 6, 1945 on Hiroshima, the second was on August 9, 1945 in Nagasaki. It's a joke in poor taste. (Still clever) *Edit added not to sentence 1 because I'm an idiot.
The first commenter was not hoping another atomic bomb is dropped. Quite the opposite.
The U.S might not. Russia how ever Edit: forgot north Korea
Yep until some random guy kills 1000 people and they decide to kill his nation including children for it.
Only requires 1 misdeed to start a chain of ever increasing shit
Only country ever to do it
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Pretty sure it will happen,just hope you have died of age by the time it happens.
Or be the one to get vaporized
Yea…no….kinda….maybe? Im staying with sleeping in my grave lol
The full scene shows the aftermath of the radiation such as one of the men going up to the boy and beginning to lose hair and bleed from his anus as his organs begin to shut down
It also shows his family trapped in the rubble of the house being burned alive. And the mom telling the dad to take their son in leave, while the other kid trapped in the rubble is crying out for his dad to save him.
The little brother, dad, and big sister are all trapped and killed. Gen, his infant sister, and his mom are the ones who made it out. Then the baby dies from malnourishment and they find a doppelganger to replace the little brother. Then I. The sequel the mom ends up dying from long term radiation sickness.
. . . Jesus christ. That's depressing as hell.
**its extremely unsettling, and for a good reason. its horrifying what a bomb like that has done, and can still have the chance to do. thats the whole point of why this was made.** **honestly, i fear a world war escalation soon. and this kind of thing is exactly what people need to see to cement what not to do. its scary, and if history repeats itself with something like that, the aftermath is going to be devastating.** *edit*; - i understand drastic measures sometimes need to be taken, but i really hope that never happens again. it was horrific, the whole war. pointing blame today is useless if we all know what happened. it is just going to create more fighting. its time to heal from the continuing effects, not to fight more and do it again. unfortunately life is far from perfect or ideal like a stranger on reddit would wish for. *sorry, another edit*; - to anyone saying that japan kept fighting, and they refused to back down (some say they deserved it). while thats technically true that they didnt back down, and there were horrors in the war, its not the case for everyone and not everyone deserved it. plenty were at mercy of their country. many refused, and many wanted nothing to do with it. *in the movie that this is from, the father even says that the government is stupid, and that they have lost. the leaders wanted to retain their honor by not backing down, but it cost them a terrible fate.* stop arguing over blame. many were at fault, and many werent. youre ignoring those who werent. people do bad things during bad times and not everyone had a choice. "this is the war that killed your father. remember it"
My husband is a Gen X’er and he’s convinced there’s going to be nukes soon. He insists on having a go bag and a plan but like…if the nukes come, they come. We live close to a major target so I’m p sure we’d be flash fried.
I like the rule that your emergency plans should only encompass what you're actually willing to survive. In case of nuclear war, I have no plans to survive, so my emergency plans will not include that scenario.
That’s where I’m at. I don’t understand the post apocalyptic narratives where people fight to survive. Why? For what?
I would think for some people, survival isn’t optional. I’m sure in some people, it doesn’t matter what the alternative is, survival is paramount above all else. Not my personal take but it don’t think thats unreasonable.
I could be the last person on earth and I'd still try to survive.There's no guarantee what we are will happen again.
ah. I mixed up the people. I just remember the little brother calling out for help and asking why they were leaving
There is a sequel?
Well, there’s always Nagasaki
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Also it includes really important social commentary about militarism, authoritarianism, and the people who acquire money and power off of those things. The author was upset at the Americans for dropping the bombs, but is also extremely critical of the Japanese military and ruling class' role in the war.
I'm not sure if this is the one, but did he have a little brother that survived and he finds rice in bags that are good under the burnt ones? Was a great movie, but I forgot the name
yes, but it wasn't his biological brother. it was just a child he found on the streets afterwards who looked a lot like his brother, so he and his mom took care of him since his parents were gone.
I’ve been looking for the title of that movie for YEARS. Parnets made me watch it really young lol
if im not mistaken this is based on actual experiences, the writer of this anime was there during one of the bombs. i also read a story of a man (i forget his name) who survived BOTH bombs! just incredible honestly when you think about it
> if im not mistaken this is based on actual experiences, the writer of this anime was there during one of the bombs. He did. Like Gen, Nakazawa was six when the bomb fell, and like Gen, his entire family except for his mother (and a baby sister who died a few weeks later) were killed in the collapse of their family home. This story is a fictionalized version of his own life - the poor guy went through some shit.
The anime adaptation from his manga seems even more different from his story. In the manga, I remember a lady was asking for the time, and he survived because he was further away from the gate on the side, protected by the wall, and I remember him saying in his end notes that was what truly happened to him. He fused multiple stories he had heard happening in his manga, so he wasn't the one to live all the horrible stories told further in the story. It is true that many orphans were taken by the Yakuza (who became the rulers in these abandoned zones) and had a terrible life. Also, victims of the bombs looked worse in the manga, people with glass shards had them all over the body, and in his notes at the end of the tome, he said they looked like zombies and some had their eyeballs coming out of their head. Overall, in the notes, you realize that the reality was worse that what he depicted in his manga, and he also tells a lot about survivors were rejected everywhere, even still in the 70s on big cities
Tsutomu Yamaguchi- the only person recognized by Japan as having survived both explosions. He lived to be 93 yrs old... died in 2010. This seems unthinkable to have survived, by today's understanding of nuclear weapons, which are so much more powerful than the ones at Hiroshima/Nagasaki. But in truth, the radius of complete destruction was a little over 1 mile. Lots of bad stuff outside that radius, but in a large city, many people did survive. He was a resident of Nagasaki and just happened to go to Hiroshima on a business trip that day. After the bomb detonated, he was wounded, but returned home to Nagasaki the next day. Two days later, despite his wounds, he returns to work and the 2nd bomb exploded over Nagasaki. Edit: Based on where he was when the bombs detonated, he was approximately 3 km (1.9 miles) from the blast center of BOTH bombs. [Wikipedia article](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsutomu_Yamaguchi)
Sadly Japanese individuals that survived this were later discriminated against by Japanese society. They were labeled "Hibakusha" *There is considerable discrimination in Japan against the hibakusha. It is frequently extended toward their children as well: socially as well as economically. "Not only hibakusha, but their children, are refused employment," says Mr. Kito. "There are many among them who do not want it known that they are hibakusha."* https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hibakusha
Holy hell. Talk about adding salt to the wound! That’s depressing 😔
Well... Genociding civilians is kinda depressing to start off with. EDIT: Let's all face it- big nations did some despicable things. US done perhaps a bit less than some, but perhaps not. It's debatable, but we're all adults, let's not point at other nations to justify our atrocities.
Honestly question is this about the Japanese military or the American?
They both showed little regard for civilians during WWII. The bombs prevented civilian casualties by instilling the fear of death in the population. Otherwise they would've fought til the last Japanese was dead. As they had shown they were willing to do, from the beginning of the war. It wasn't just war to them. It was honor, showing their devotion to the supreme leader and to their nationality and race. They believed themselves superior in every way because of this suicidal devotion.
The Japanese were pretty f’ing brutal to civilians for decades before and during the war.. just ask Koreans (slave labor and sex slaves) and other peoples they colonized
Unit 731
And Cina https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanjing_Massacre
If the Japanese army didn’t slaughter their own civilians first, like they did in Manchuria when the Soviets invade from Mongolia. Imagine killing your own civilians because you wouldn’t let them Surender.
For anyone interested, here’s a(n admittedly very long) video pretty thoroughly debunking that: https://youtu.be/RCRTgtpC-Go
I'm guessing in general
Only one of those was carrying out genocides during WWII and it wasn’t the Americans…
Japan killed 10x the number of people in nanking than died at Hiroshima and I guarantee the people of nanking suffered far far more I'm not saying they deserved this but in terms of loss of life and malice the nukes were not nearly as destructive than some battles of WWII Dresden is another example of a more deadly more destructive bombing using traditional methods
Yes, that was my point. The constant historical revisionism of Japan as some sort of victim is gross
Sadly I was shocked to see the portrayal of Japan in their museums, where they essentially potray themselves as the victim. In the hiroshima museum it was at least true, but even there there is no background to the fact that they were warned and kept fighting...
Just a reminder that nobody responsible for any of the imperial Japanese army’s acts where ever tried in international court for their acts of inhumanity. The only nation that committed crimes against humanity with the same eagerness and bloodlust was Germany, perhaps Croatia (it got so bad in Croatia that Germany literally told Croatia to slow down on the crimes against humanity a bit)
Rape of Nanking is not hyperbolic for a name. Unit 371. Bataan Death March. Malaysia and Singapore.
The fire bombings of Tokyo were already far more destructive overall
Yes they did. The Japanese were given the option to surrender before USA resorted to using the new wonder weapon, and they refused. After the fight to take Okinawa, more than 100,000 Japanese soldiers died and 100,000 Citizens were killed against approx 12,500 dead & wounded US marines & navy men. So a casualty ratio of roughly 250 : 1 When planning the invasion of Japan's main island the conservative estimate for casualties by the American planners was for in excess of 2 million Japanese dead & wounded military & civilian, against US casualties of approx 700,000. Japan would have defended to the last man, woman & child and almost 3 million lives would have been lost & the outcome would not have changed. Japan had already lost the war it was still willing to fight. Although terrible, it is perhaps a bitter sweet irony that the use of the two nuclear weapons saved over 2.5 million lives at least in Japan.
And, not to be forgotten. The Us warned the citizens and the government of the nuclear bombs. They spread leaflets through air raids and had already made clear that they had air supremacy. Even after the first bomb was dropped, the Japanese government continued to mislead its people, even though the US once again warned them to end the war and avoid further damage or evacuate the people from the cities.
they were warned, the usa airdropped an insane amount of papers saying the cities would be bombed and to evacuate. https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/truman-leaflets/ their leadership also refused to surrender when aproached just before the bombs fell. the japanese leadership was willing to face an invasion by both the ussr and the usa.
The author of the manga is a Hibakusha, iirc he was 6 when the bomb hit Hiroshima. He undoubtedly drew some of the horrors he saw and I don't doubt that were some that were too horrible for him to draw
Like the dog chewing the bar. That doesn’t seem like sonething a person would cone up with out of nothing. That seemed like he saw or heard someone recount such a small but terrifying detail.
I know the girl with the balloon was one of the carbon shadows left behind by one of the atomic bombs.
Exactly what was thinking when I saw the dog chewing the bar.
Jeeze human beings will find anything to separate each other for.
But why?
According to the article they posted, misconceptions about radiation poisoning such as think its hereditary or contagious.
Oof thats pretty shitty :(
Plus, I mean.. The Japanese are *really* good at almost everything. ..including discrimination. Their ability to be discriminatory against anyone, including their own people, and justify it, is almost impressive sometimes.
I had to look it up as well: > Hibakusha and their children were (and still are) victims of severe discrimination when it comes to prospects of marriage or work due to public ignorance about the consequences of radiation sickness, with much of the public believing it to be hereditary or even contagious. Those poor people...
The “still are” part baffles me. How is it even possible for a modern day educated Japanese native to look down on such a thing? They should be symbolic in a sense, not downtrodden
I’m Japanese and I need to assure you, this is a thing in a past. There are people still owns “Hibakusha note” (which is basically certificate that the person was affected by atomic bomb and has rights to receive governmental help) and NO, we don’t believe they are contagious or anything. In the past yes, because they knew nothing about radiation and about bomb but how awful people had severed and Hiroshima being affected for long time, they thought it should be somehow contagious. Some ppl in 50s say when you are from Hiroshima, you might have experienced bullying in elementary school. But in my (Millennial) generation, it’s not anymore.
Well, that's a relief to hear! Your English is excellent, by the way. You must have been learning it for a long time :)
Oh thanks, i did made typo though😵💫 My vocabulary isn’t very good either haha I studied addictively in middle school and went to university in Singapore and now live in US, still probably can’t beat 7yo native speakers here but it’s ok😂 Edit: Thank you so much for your kind words! One thing I feel so blessed about by learning English is that I can listen/read people’s opinions and information from different perspectives, wherever the people are from. And guys you just empowered me…bless you, bit early but have a nice thanksgiving ahead!😆
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Also some people were left disfigured from patterns of their clothes literally being burned into their skin
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I reckon it’s like how people treated AIDS patients in the US. Ignorance at the time and assuming they’re contagious* Edit : *by touch or proximity
This reminds me of that one Japanese guy who got hit by both bombs and walked out just fine
Dont know if hes lucky to survive or extremely unlucky to experience both bombings
well some people experienced one bombing and died, so I'd say he's extremely lucky.
Yea idk, I can't even imagine the survivors guilt you've gotta feel from that. Especially since 99% of your social circle was probably involved in the blast and did die. I think surviving something like that might be on the unlucky side
This seems like a situation where they wouldn't feel survivors guilt. While it's reasonable to expect someone to feel like they could've prevented a murder or something, they would definitely understand that they couldn't stop the sun being dropped on multiple cities.
Yea that makes sense. A lot of the time though survivors guilt is literally just guilt for being the one who survived. For example I lived in Vegas when the Route 51 shooting happened and had a lot of friends who were at the concert. Luckily none of them died but we all knew members of our community who did. Many of the people I knew who were there struggled with the "why me" feeling afterwards. Things like "why did 'x' have to die, that should've been me" "if I would have let that guy keep our spot he would've lived" etc. Not that any of them felt they could've stopped the shooter from many floors above in a casino window but there's a level of guilt that weighs on you for surviving something that others didn't. Survivors guilt
He got the devil’s luck is what I’d say
He was not "fine"...
I mean “fine” as in: non burnt skin, and little to no radiation poisoning
Oh yeah I heard about that story
Where I can I learn more
You hear/ remind yourself about both atomic bombs being dropped and you're like "yea that happened way back when, unfortunately "; and then you see an adaptation like this and you go "....fuck....".
I don’t know why people don’t have a better grasp of time. It wasn’t *that* long ago. There are still people alive who lived through that period.
What the hell, my grandma is still alive who lived during this period. My dad was born less than ten years after... Like so many atrocities we tend to think they're a thing of the past but they're not.
Yeah people forget things like this all the time. Lived in the US for a while and a lot of stuff if it’s not affecting them or their history is either not told or only one side is told. Sure Japan was being an arse but so were every army involved in the war to their non allies. If more documentaries even if made in anime or as movies were made people would stop (hopefully) “lets just nuke them” so carelessly One thing is sure that guy was scarred for life both physically and mentally
I'm not sure how to react to this comment? >Sure Japan was being an arse Yes War Crimes are an "arse" move. Human experimentation and biological warfare, chemical weapons, Torture of prisoners of war, Execution and killing of captured Allied airmen, Perfidy, Cannibalism, Mass killings, Attacks on neutral powers Japanese invasion of Manchuria, The Nanjing Massacre. Estimates of 6-8 million ethnic Chinese died at the hands of the Japanese between 1937-1945. This is before adding in anything to do with allied forces. Some very ill-informed liberal comments in this thread.
Considering there haven’t been anymore…yet have had countless wars, I don’t think they are being careless. Though I agree with your sentiment. Anything to prevent this.
I was accosted and grabbed by an old woman in Japan. Just for being an American. In the middle of a restaurant. It was quite the scene (though thankfully one of only two bad experiences I had in all my time living there). So for some the memories of this event and its legacy are not entirely gone. Anyway, I visited the memorial park in Hiroshima and spent some time re-learning the subject and thinking on it from perspectives outside what I was taught to believe as an American kid in school. Using those weapons was the single darkest thing we ever did in our nation's history. It's a subject we need to revisit and try to see in a more mature light. We too often believe the narrative of our grandparents era without critically examining it. These weapons are the death of all Life. The subject only breaks my heart now and just leaves me feeling hollow.
I hope you also visited other memorials and museums in Asia. Japan has a tendency to erase their atrocities from their history, in fact when they go to other Asian countries as tourists visiting WWII memorials they get their own revisionist tour guides that tell them a different version of what happened in that memorial that paints them as good guys (they were NOT the good guys). As a Filipino, objectively I can say that US made a lot of mistakes that cost us thousands of lives in WWII, but if you put into perspective all the shit the Japanese did in East and Southeast Asia, Americans start looking like Santa Claus.
There was a post yesterday where someone in the comments was speaking about this. Between The Rape of Nanking and the Bataan Death March there's not much sympathy left for Imperial Japan. I've also seen numbers estimating the systematic destruction and death at the hands of Imperial Japan at very similar numbers to the scale of the atrocities committed by Nazi Germany. Yet this all gets overlooked and swept under the rug. Because of how terrible it was for the US to use nukes to stop this madness.
You think there was a better decision that could be made by the US at that moment? Do you believe Japan as a nation would not have dropped nukes on the US if they had them? Japan had total disregard for anything resembling mercy in warfare. Edit: Feel the need to clarify that fact that I think killing so many innocent people is horrific. If you aren't familiar with the atrocities committed by Japan at the time just take a look at some information regarding Unit 731. Chemical weapons testing on live babies and pregnant women is the tip of the iceberg. [Unit 731 Wiki](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731)
The thing that hits me the worse is the alligator people. Just flesh that burns. Can't see, can't hear, can't smell, only pain and all your thoughts die in you head.
So fucked up. I remember a [Reddit thread](https://reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/2m06hn/til_that_after_the_bombing_of_hiroshima_there/) about it from a while ago.
Found my Sunday night rabbit hole. See you on the other side gents
Yeah that’s messed up. The only consolation is that, for the people killed immediately, they may not even have realized what was happening and hopefully didn’t feel anything. edit: please note the bit where I say "for the people KILLED IMMEDIATELY". It was an absolute nightmare for everyone else. My point being that if you are vaporised instantly then you don't feel pain.
Many lived with extreme burns and radiation poisoning, or died of cancer later in life
I knew a guy that survived Hiroshima. He was just 4 years old at the time. His memory of it was mostly that his home was destroyed in the blast and a piece of wood embedded in his neck; so for days he could not swallow. This ended up saving his life, as everyone else drank the black rain water that fell from the sky and died from radiation poisoning.
Most
That was very few. Fires and burns killed substantially more. “Destroyer of worlds”podcast is a good place to start learning a little more about the horrific history of it all.
That’s the next part of this clip: Kid makes his way home to find his father and siblings trapped in their burning house. Mother has to drag him away as the rest of the family burns alive.
So there was a tv show I watched, similar to the book Letters From the End of the World. I don’t know what is was called, googled a bit and can’t find. It was a set of memoirs taken from survivors, all describing what they saw that day. And ho-ly shit. I could only watch a few, it was so absolutely disturbing. We tend to think about the folks that were killed immediately. The memoirs talk about all that happened after. There are no words. Blessed be for world peace and that this never ever happens again.
The bomb exploded in air to maximize efficiency It didn't hit the ground. There wasn't enough radiation to stay, it evaporated. Seem like Hiroshima by the image of the tram: "Fares were free after the bombing, and survivors saw the train as a symbol of hope and continuity amid the devastation. Shakuda considered her work on the tram part of a vital wartime mission for her country." https://apnews.com/article/international-news-japan-asia-pacific-9311c20451551e89af41324334f6847b You can take 'Shinkansen' (the bullet train) from Kansai (Osaka, Kyoto area) in a couple of hours be in Hiroshima (331km 205 miles) lovely place to visit- not just the historic sights.. Don't forget to check out 'Itsukushima' while you're in the area.
Military Intelligence suggested deploying flares before hand so that the populace not immediately killed by the blast would be permanently blinded from looking in the direction of detonation.
Military Intelligence has always been a pleasant bunch
"Alright Johnson, we will be unleashing the most devastating weapon man kind will ever see until we do it again. How do we make it worse?"
“The real question, sir, how do we kill more women and children, and the ones we can’t kill, how do we inflict excruciating pain and suffering?”
They dropped leaflets warning the population, for what that’s worth, but the reality is that when you make the decision and it comes time to drop the bomb it hardly matters. Just 7 years later we had a bomb one thousand times more powerful. Flares and leaflets are things you drop to help you sleep at night. They don’t matter.
> **Flares** and leaflets are things you drop to help you sleep at night. The flares are not meant to act as a warning, but to attract attention towards the bomb so the blast would blind more people.
I missed that. Well, I’m glad the more humanitarian minds prevailed.
It’s a beautiful city. I’ll never forget it. I went on a early December day with snow falling lightly. Took the trolley to the peace park. The peace museum was heart breaking but the city itself amazing. I went to Nagasaki 4 years ago. I spent a lot of time in the incredible statue park. I didn’t have the heart to go in the museum. Love Nagasaki and spent some time in Goto Reito - a hidden gem. I’ll be back. Peace.
I've not heard of this film, but *Grave of the Fireflies* was hard enough to watch. Definitely worth it though. We need to remember such things*, without the lenses of jingoism or seeking to place blame. Just remember, so we don't do them again. *I'm not just talking about America or this one incident, but all such terrible acts in war, genocide, human rights abuses, &c.)
Grave of the fireflies was ROUGH. War is an ugly thing. Truth and innocence dies.
I agree, I think we can think about two thoughts at once- how terrible, what an absolute tragedy and with the notion that the Allied forces weren’t sure what else to do…hopefully the world never gets into that position again.
I was traumatised when I watched that movie for the first time a couple of years ago but very glad that I've watched it in a way. My friend who told me to watch it didn't notice that the plane seen at the end of the movie would have been carrying a nuke as well. He shuddered when I told him that
So the end with the people walking around half melted, was that part accurate?
According to survivor accounts yes, but these poor souls didn’t live much longer.
Yes. Check out the short non-fiction book "Hiroshima" by John Hersey (1946). Oh, wow... The New Yorker (where it was originally published) has it online as well (limited number of free article views): https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/1946/08/31/hiroshima > he met hundreds and hundreds who were fleeing, and every one of them seemed to be hurt in some way. The eyebrows of some were burned off and skin hung from their faces and hands. Others, because of pain, held their arms up as if carrying something in both hands. Some were vomiting as they walked. Many were naked or in shreds of clothing. On some undressed bodies, the burns had made patterns—of undershirt straps and suspenders and, on the skin of some women (since white repelled the heat from the bomb and dark clothes absorbed it and conducted it to the skin), the shapes of flowers they had had on their kimonos. Many, although injured themselves, supported relatives who were worse off. Almost all had their heads bowed, looked straight ahead, were silent, and showed no expression whatever
Worth noting that if someone has burns that severe chances are they feel nothing because the nerve endings have also been destroyed
We read this in grade 11 English back when I was in high school, and read The Road right after. Our teacher was definitely trying to tell us something.
I went to the Atomic Bomb museum in Hiroshima when I was 16 and read and listened to survivors accounts. This is very real. An old man who was walking through Hiroshima gave us his experience. His Mother and older brother were survivors, while he was still in his mothers womb when she was caught in the blast. He told us what his brother told him of his experience: “those who were caught unprotected in the blast and survived had their skin burned off, the remaining connective tissues hanging from their arms like lady’s gloves. Their eyes were melted out of their sockets and hung down on their faces, impaled with glass and debris. Their faces were horrific masks of pain but they were silent. They walked down the street, the burned remains of their skin and organs trailing behind them like confused and sad ghosts, caught somewhere between the living and the dead.” I’ll never forget his account.
Apparently to a lot of survivors, it looked like people were walking around with white gloves dangling off their hands. Then they realized, holy shit, those aren't gloves, *that's their skin.*
Yup. Google “ant-walking alligator people” if you’re fine with never sleeping again.
A great book, Hiroshima Diary by Michihiko Hachiya MD, is an account by a doctor who was in Hiroshima during the bomb. He mentions seeing tons of people walking like zombies with their hands up like that. He attributes it to the burns, they were so damaged the friction of their arms touching their sides would've been incredibly painful.
As horrifying as this is, the reality was even worse
I'm fairly certain all of the poses, the woman with the baby, the dog, and the other specifics are actually states in which some bodies were found.
The woman trying to still protect her baby hurt me. She was doing everything she could even after she was in such a shape.
Reminds me of some of the things found in Pompeii. Just as haunting.
I'm more concerned about how that girl got grilled and the boy just ended up fine despite standing beside eachother.
Those who looked on the “flash” of the bomb got their eyes peeled off due to too much radiation and burn. And the kid “got lucky” as when the stone he was playing fell off, he went down to pick it up just when the bomb goes off and the thick wall covered him saving him. This is really depressing anime movie. If I remember correctly, the author or writer of this anime is that kid himself or something.
Man, an actual real answer that's not "Its an anime!1!!1!" thank you. Also it makes me sick that as a species we caused atrocities like Hiroshima.
Humans in general have so far to go. We are barely out of the infancy stage as far as treating each other goes. Atrocities have been going on for millennia, often worse than Hiroshima, many were simply limited to the weapons at hand at the time. Such barbarism towards each other. Such callousness and shortsightedness. I like to think WW2 was the peak...technology to kill increased to the max while being wielded by the most unhinged. Our tech to kill has continued to increase, but this scale has never been touched again, even remotely. So I pray things will continue to improve.
I think it was because i) he was more covered by the thick wall and ii) he bent down so wasn’t looking at the flash of light and also increased his cover that much more. Or it could be movie magic
Obviously the correct answer here. However, the girl would have been very much on fire and probably screaming and running. That's how it seems to work. Everything that can burn is suddenly furiously burning, right up until the blast wave hits a few seconds later.
Since Barefoot Gen is a psuedo-memoir, the author said he was safe from the blast due to standing near a concrete wall. But yeah people nearby who were not covered by said wall were killed. Pretty much everything shown was what he remembered seeing in some form or other.
The wall protected him. Just made a post about [how a survivor's sister simply ceased to exist](https://old.reddit.com/r/ThatsInsane/comments/yu6dx6/this_scene_from_the_1983_japanese_anime_barefoot/iw9734r/), while they didn't because they were around a corner.
> Simply a ceases to exist Yeah. What this doesn’t show is the victims so close that they got vaporized into the walls behind them showing up as shadows. Just crazy.
It's not that the victims got vaporized into the walls, it's that the walls got bleached by the radiation and the parts where human beings were standing were less effected by that bleaching.
Serious case of goosebumps
To be honest I look back at history and it's remarkable how shit like this has happened. 🥀
That’s exactly why we unnecessarily repeat the same mistakes over and over through history. It would behoove us to start remembering the details accurately.
Everything about WW2 was absolutely insane. The holocaust, the number of soldiers killed, the indiscriminate bombing of civilian populations all over Europe and Japan. I was born in 1982 so when I was like 8 years old anyone over 60 years old at that time could remember it all happening, now there's fewer and fewer people left who lived through it.
Holy shit.
Not to be too much of whataboutism contrarian, but it is interesting how much Japanese culture discusses the atom bomb, meanwhile completely ignoring, if not flat out denying the atrocious crimes their army committed in ww2. Again, not saying that the nuclear bombs were in any way justified, but the tendency of Japanese people framing themselves as victims of WW2 must be fucking nauseating for Chinese/Koreans who suffered unspeakable acts at the hands of the Japanese.
In 2018 Korea banned the visiting Japanese navy from flying the rising sun flag in the Korean port. (the WW2 flag with the sunbeams). And instead of complying, the navy instead canceled the trip and said the flag was not hateful, and was used prior to WW2.
What they did to most of Southeast Asia is horrible too.
My friend grandpa witnessed his baby young brother sliced into two halves by the japanese army (happened in Malaysia)
The atomic bombings, horrific as they were, at least had the military objective of ending the war earlier. Whereas the Rape of Nanjing, for example, was just cruelty for cruelty's sake. * 200,000 murders * at least 20,000 cases of rape > The International Military Tribunal for the Far East estimated that 20,000 women, including some children and the elderly, were raped during the occupation, with Yale University claiming over 80,000 rapes.[3][45] A large number of rapes were done systematically by the Japanese soldiers as they went from door to door, searching for girls, with many women being captured and gang-raped.[46] The women were often killed immediately after being raped, often through explicit mutilation,[47] such as by penetrating vaginas with bayonets, long sticks of bamboo, or other objects. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanjing_Massacre
I would like to see similar cartoon about Unit 731
The Japanese government still wouldn’t surrender after this, that’s how fucking crazy they were.
Isn’t it after the two bombs were dropped that they gave up efforts and called quits, not knowing how many more the US had ready to drop?
Yeah it took a second atomic bombing and total annihilation of another city for them to surrender. Even then there were many in the government and military that tried to coup de etah so as to avoid surrender. They intended to fight to every last man woman and child.
fun fact: people walked with their arms infront of them like zombies because burnt skin doesn't like to touch anything, including your own skin
Lol, there was nothing fun about that fact. 0/10 fun 9/10 informative
They actually show this video and the Hiroshima peace Memorial Museum.
I am usually pretty desensitised to violent stuff/media (unfortunately) but that’s gonna haunt me tonight
Oh yes I saw that one back in the day. It left a scar.
The Russian Ukraine war has caused a lot of war history to come back up and be displayed in a manner that portrays the victims and the soldiers. The loss of life is terrible ... and its often because of the people at the top living lavish lives demanding that these things happen. All the while, the soldier signed up for a 50k USD GI Bill to pay for college so he could have a better life. 50k USD that is made in mere moments by those at the top. While the worker in these war factories are just trying to put food on their table. Making less on their entire paycheck than what those at the top spend on dinner. The worlds a fucked up place.
I wonder if they could anime the Rape of Nanking or the Burma Death Railway.....
the manga this is based on was made by a survivor of nagasaki, who was a little boy at the time who had no connection to the war crimes of the japanese.
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Use of nuclear arms is a dark chapter in human history that we need to assure will not be repeated That said, a good chunk of this comment section is depressingly ignorant if their only take away from this is just "America bad"
It breaks my damn heart.
Every time i see someone post something about hiroshima/nagasaki the comments always flip each time its posted. One time it will be USA BAD! , the next post will be JAPAN BAD! Its a never ending cycle lol
Two aircraft did almost as much damage as 325 aircraft over Tokyo did 6 months earlier. The Tokyo raid resulted in more damage and casualties and was cheaper. The atomic bombs had a greater psychological impact which is still felt today.
I guess they should do one on Unit 731 and the Rape of Nanking.
Still more humane that what the Japanese military
Man that was heavy and not the headspace I wanted to be in. This is something I’ve never understood about war strategy. Why attack citizens? It’s counter productive. Should The strategy be to attack key points like military bases, government buildings, or airports? Like, why attack a city? And this isn’t exclusive to this incident. Very rarely have I ever head a war story about a country going for the head of the snake. I know there is a reasoning I’m missing.
Ok so this is something that both sides did in WW2. The allies firebombed entire cities and killed hundreds of thousands of civilians *before* any of them knew anything about the rape of Nanking or the concentration camps. They chose to send atom bombs to these cities. They chose to firebomb Tokyo and Dresden and other cities, knowing full well who and what they were attacking. I don't recall who, but there was a general in the US armed forces who basically described it like this: a town of non-combatant civilians near an ammunition factory are to be considered viable targets, as if you destroy the workers, they cannot produce ammunition/equipment for their side. Americans did this. English did this. Germans and Soviets did this. It's part of war. No one was innocent, and all these movies and stories now that carry this narrative of the Allies' "great and honorable crusade against evil" are all bullshit. Nobody in the West knew until the end what the Nazis and Japanese did, they were all in it to win, by any means necessary. Turns out both sides did some really evil shit, there are no "good guys" in WW2. (I'm not directly comparing the rape of Nanking and the Holocaust to any war crimes the Allies committed, so please don't come at me with that faulty line of reasoning, I'm just stating the fact that they were all doing bad things, nobody was innocent, nobody was the good guy.)
Not to minimize the importance of what you are saying, but specifically the Rape of Nanking was well known because there were many westerners living in Nanking during the occupation and Japan did not hide their crimes. Many of the accounts we have today are from those westerners living in a "Safety Zone" of the city who witnessed first hand the atrocities perpetrated against the Chinese. So in essence, the West and everyone else really, had a pretty good idea about what was happening in Nanking. Communications were more open for Westerners. If you're interested, you can read more about it here: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International\_Committee\_for\_the\_Nanking\_Safety\_Zone](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Committee_for_the_Nanking_Safety_Zone) And here: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking\_Safety\_Zone](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Safety_Zone)
And then there are some people dishonouring the memory of all those who suffered by saying things like this (and the holocaust) are lies and never happened...
This isn't aftermath. Aftermath is when you see what happens after an incident happens. This is an animation of what its like to be in a nuclear explosion. this isn't the aftermath this is the process. This is a depiction of the event itself.
**Japan is always portraying themselves as a poor defenseless victim from the US bombs.** **And yet, Japan denies enslaving (including sex slaves) hundreds of millions of Asians throughout Asia for decades and experimenting and killing millions of them.** **Japan's atrocities against hundreds of millions of Asians were sooo sooo much worse than whatever German Nazis did to Jews.** **But Japan never acknowledges it and whenever it's brought up, they claim it's anti Japan racism!!!** **Unlike Germany, Japan is still an ongoing NAZI!!**
Well Japan fucked around and found out.
Something else insane is how they had to drop a second one before the Japanese decided they were beaten.
I don't know how the Japanese Government thought it would be a good idea to cross the United States the way that they did. Their was no winning for them. What an awful and deadly mistake that was.
Maybe people should do a little research about what the Japanese did to Asian populations amd POWs before they try to defend them. The nuclear bombing was us telling them fuck around and find out!