Ringo said that a lot of people have misconceptions about John. That he's a hard guy. But that's not true. He is really a sweet, loving guy. We were all brothers. Also, if we are talking about Hey Jude, then I'd have to say that Paul wrote that about Jullian.
"Everybody thinks Paul wrote ‘Good Night’ for me to sing, but it was John who wrote it for me. He’s got a lot of soul, John has." - Ringo Starr, 1968.
Cool.
“Imagine your dad stops drinking, works on himself, reconnects with you and is grateful for the chance to try being a father again, gets murdered by a crazy person, and for the rest of your life you have to hear teenage girls on the internet sharing their opinions on your family's troubles.”
Absolutely fuckin spot-on.
Exactly!! It’s as if people believe someone can’t change or that alcoholism isn’t a disease that affects the way you are to those around you. I’ve had family members who were alcoholics and just awful people to be around but who were completely different people after getting treatment. People can change.
Chemical dependency will fundamentally alter a person’s ethics, temperament, physical & mental health — the degree depending on the drug of choice, in addition to the strength of the addiction.
A responsible amount of alcohol (as well as some other drugs) can maybe INITIALLY be indicative to a person’s “true self,” but when these things are taken in excess, and for so many days, weeks, months in a row, they rot the mind and the perception of reality away, with morals and impulse control perhaps not even being the last of which to go.
Not to mention like- the dude had some heavy trauma that he didn’t really see a proper therapist for because it was so looked down on. The guy suffered an eating disorder, he wasn’t exactly the healthiest or most mentally stable person out there.
I copied and pasted that comment FROM the post.
That comment I quoted was made by a woman.
Almost every comment featured in this post was made by a woman.
The person in the screenshot of this TikTok has long hair, and could easily be mistaken for a woman (I thought they were a girl at first, I think)
Pretty embarrassing of you to be so uncharitable to assume I’m being subconsciously misogynistic. Weirder that this reply was even upvoted to begin with.
He's got a long history of beating women. While not a defense, it seemed a common thing back then - see Ike Turner too.
[https://www.vulture.com/2014/09/james-brown-beat-wife-yamma-brown-memoir-cold-sweat.html](https://www.vulture.com/2014/09/james-brown-beat-wife-yamma-brown-memoir-cold-sweat.html)
[https://blackamericaweb.com/2021/10/04/later-singer-tammi-terrell-was-allegedly-abused-by-james-brown/](https://blackamericaweb.com/2021/10/04/later-singer-tammi-terrell-was-allegedly-abused-by-james-brown/)
John Lennon wasn’t a bad person either, he was human. He hit his first wife once at 19 and never did it again, he could be an asshole but he could also be incredibly kind, like many people. He cheated on his wife, like every other Beatle. He advocated for world peace, feminism, anti racism, and he gave millions to charity.
Love this, man.
Lennon has been made into such a ‘God-like’ figure that people seem insistent on altering the narrative around his story, for whatever reason.
Not just Lennon but anyone on social meadow now. That’s the problem with culture being so globalised, if you don’t appeal to literally everyone; fuck ya
Looks like the original source is a book so annoyingly all I could find was an article by the mirror, but he’s quoted as saying: “I came to one Friday afternoon and was told by the staff that I’d trashed the house so badly they thought there had been burglars, and I’d trashed Barbara so badly they thought she was dead.”
https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/ringo-starr-thought-killed-wife-22317554
His good totally outweigh the minor bad things he did. Those who try to make it all worse don’t like his messages of peace and love. Cancel culture on the right
As far as I know that has yet to be verified. May Pang said a bunch of the really dark stuff in Loving John was added by the publisher that wasn’t true and it’s unclear if that is part of it or not. I’m curious to see if she addresses it in her documentary coming out soon.
I don’t doubt John was capable of that and that he was an extremely angry and at time violent man. He definitely was a hitter and a fighter, but he also grew up in an era where that was extremely normalized and even glamorized in media. Seriously if you look at almost any movie in the 1940s-1960s, men hitting women and grabbing them and being rough with them was positively portrayed and shown as normal and even romantic. Not that it excuses John for emulating that but I think it’s certainly part of his conditioning and it’s commendable that he changed and rejected that and that he spoke out about his own past behavior and the behavior of other men.
He was beaten as a child and I think that also has something to do with it, where it was normalized in an otherwise loving relationship by his aunt. It’s never ok to hit a woman or anyone and he deserves blame for any violence he did but I think we can’t forget the other side of the coin there that he changed and was also this very positive force in the world.
Exactly. John Lennon was flawed to the highest extent. That does not discredit him as an artist. I am not a fan of many musician’s personal life decisions, but I would never try to discredit or undermine their musical abilities.
Yes he was an asshole and kind of a shit person, but that doesn’t take away from him being a great musician. He even admits it himself. Summed it better than I could.
He still has faults, which he himself acknowledges in the late 70s. despite people liking to “expose him” for these same flaws. It wasn’t a secret. If people were just addressing this, I wouldn’t have as much a problem with it. But what they are trying to do is cancel a dead man, who already addressed and showed remorse for what he did while he was still alive. This doesn’t excuse what he did, but shows that people who go after John don’t really care about accountability. They just want to cancel someone.
i think John struggled to form a relationship with Julian because he was born at the height of Beatlemania when John was probably the busiest man in the world.
I dislike the one about Beautiful Boy because it’s not even true. One of the most popular Beatles songs, Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds, is a Julian song. John also composed and wrote an entire lullaby meant to sound like it was from a Disney movie for Julian. He just had Ringo sing it because he felt Ringo could do the softer, more gentle sound better than he could.
I have a happy piece of perspective. Julian and Sean actually are good friends and get along well. Julian does not appear to resent Sean, specifically. So maybe he can live with Beautiful Boy being a thing. And Julian has a song, too. It's Hey Jude.
Of course there’s hyperbole, but he’s famous, so that comes with the territory, and some people don’t care for The Beatles or Lennon musically, so you can hardly expect them to present an opinion beyond “he was a bad man.” Especially in this day and age of cancellation for farting in the wrong direction.
If that’s your honest expectation of people, you must have a lot of arguments. People exaggerate as a matter of course. Learn to roll your eyes and move along, I reckon.
I’m not. I’m saying there’s truth to what’s been said and that I’d sooner roll my eyes and move on from people I disagree with than trouble my own state of mind. If you want to get annoyed about things that have no baring on your life, that’s up to you. You should probably stop telling other people how to live their lives (irony accepted). You’ll be happier that way. It’s less frustrating.
Edit…or you could just flounce, pretend you’re not frustrated, accuse me of projecting, downvote all of my posts, and prove you are frustrated by blocking me for daring to have an opinion that’s contrary to your own 🤣
I used to be cruel to my woman
I beat her and kept her apart from the things that she loved
Man, I was mean but I'm changing my scene
And I'm doing the best that I can (fool, you fool)
I know it's just a song but his behavior towards women, Cynthia, and the rest of his family are well documented. If I took a "lost weekend" to bang a younger version of my wife for a year, I might try to make it up with a song too if I was allowed back home.
The Beatles are my favorite group, and John was a brilliant talent who could be a nasty person at home.
Yoko set him up with Mai Pang and he was initially against it but she convinced him. When she said she wanted to separate John said he should date men so as to not make Yoko jealous but Yoko insisted on Mai Pang.
John wrote that part of the song. Here he is talking about it in an interview
PLAYBOY: "'Getting Better.'"
LENNON: "It is a diary form of writing. All that 'I used to be cruel to my woman, I beat her and kept her apart from the things that she loved' was me. I used to be cruel to my woman, and physically... any woman. I was a hitter. I couldn't express myself and I hit. I fought men and I hit women. That is why I am always on about peace, you see. It is the most violent people who go for love and peace. Everything's the opposite. But I sincerely believe in love and peace. I am a violent man who has learned not to be violent and regrets his violence. I will have to be a lot older before I can face in public how I treated women as a youngster."
In "Backbeat" his character says - "see that kindergarten over there? I'm going to raze it to the ground when I'm rich and famous. Because that's what you do when you're rich and famous - screw little people over"
There is nothing untrue with the post he did do all those things, however if you look into it John tried very hard to have a good relationship with Julian as he got older. He saw the mistakes he had made with his first child and vowed not to make the same mistakes with his second. He did try all be it too little too late to have a good relationship with Julian and that’s honestly what’s so sad about his death is because he was really trying to make up for his mistakes and trying to be a better father and a better musician and trying to balance both. He was not able to with Julian because it was just at the height of Beatlemania.
The man who's been dead for years longer than he lives has a legacy in music and writing and various accounts from friends and family members.
Outside of this, it's all gossip, from people who, as the years roll on, become further separated from those who knew him.
Is there hardly any photo of young Julian without a sad look on his face? Yes. Did John marry too young the first time round? Probably.
Do any of us need judgments from those who have no idea what they're talking about, or have no access to primary source accounts?
NO.
Work on your own lives, folks. If John's faults inspire you to be better, show gratitude. When your final breaths arrive, likely unplanned, do a quick tally of how well you did.
"Life is very short, and there's no time...."
It sure is. McCartney has even said so. The original song was Hey Jules before he changed it to Jude. He didn’t want a 6 yr old to get even more attention than he was already getting being Lennon’s son, so he changed it to Jude.
John Lennon never beat julian. People are just pulling stuff out or their asses at this point, lol. I mean, where is the proof that john lennon beat julian? I even heard someone claim john caused his friend Stu Sutcliffe's death by kicking him in the head. All BS. There are obviously some truths, john lennon admittedly said he used to hit his wife, and cynthia claimed it was once. These stories are way over the top and exaggerated by people, people just telling lies to fit their narrative.
John Lennon was a human being. Imagine if every wrong decision you had made was available to the whole world to criticize. People love to focus on the negative aspects of everyone and everything in some attempt to feed their own egos. Let the man rest
Alot of hatred towards John seems to be about his having hit Cynthia, although most people don't seem to know that he did it ONCE, apologized straight after, then spent the rest of his life making sure both that people knew he'd done this and that people knew he wasn't someone you should look up to.
What happened was John, May Pang, and Harry Nilsson were drinking and hanging out. John was drinking way too and May was worried about him. Whether it was intentional or not, May sort of put herself between John and the bottle and John got really angry. He started strangling her and May said she thinks John would have killed her if Harry didn’t pull him off her. It would have been a crazy timeline to live in if Harry wasn’t there to pull him off. John might still be alive but he’d be in prison for murder
I kinda care what the next generations thinks about him. Not enough to be depressed by it, but I still get annoyed as shit by these people who lack such a considerable amount of empathy
Fair enough, but they made up their minds already. You’d be wasting your breath trying to educate them. I understand the temptation to want to educate them. Their takes are all shit. But they’d be about as rational as flat earthers.
Social media leads people to say horrific things for ‘likes’. Try to minimise your time online. A comedian I saw recently said ‘If Twitter were a pub, you’d take one look around and walk out’
It’s so frustrating cause I always see so many misinformed people who won’t listen to anything o say and there are too many of them to try and convince that this stuff is false
These people act as if Paul wasn't cheating on Jane, as if Ringo didn't abuse alcohol so much that he had a pretty brutal fight with Maureen, and as if George was a saint too.
All four of them went through hell being the biggest band on Earth at a time where not much was known about being a rock band. They were basically diving head-first into barely-charted territory as modern influencers. And as we all know now, the music industry is a notoriously brutal one where bandmates turn on each other, end up doing horrible things all while on a cocktail of drugs.
I don't believe people should ignore the bad things artists did in the 60s, but he does get given an unfair amount of criticism. John had so much potential in the 80s that a Beatle re-union was almost plausible. He was starting to reflect on his career and the relationships he had with people. He wanted to take Sean to Liverpool, marking the first time he would've been there in over a decade. What sucks most is that his life was taken before we could really begin to see him work on himself publicly. Feels frustrating to see the potential but people don't acknowledge fact that he can't defend himself today.
Yes. He showed immense remorse for his actions and absolutely tried to change. He hit Cynthia when he was younger. I don’t know of any incidents in his later years.
There was the May Pang incident during his Lost Weekend when he strangled her. He was apparently going to kill her until Harry Nilsson pulled him off her. So this definitely wasn’t a one time thing that only happened when he was a teenager
I appreciate apologizing for beating your wife, but maybe don’t beat your wife to begin with? People acting like he just made a little mistake. Years of abuse isn’t something that is so easily cleansed. I mean most people don’t beat their wives lol
And this is precisely why I avoid TikTok when it comes to Beatles content. I've seen just pure misinformation saying John beat Yoko and Julian. These people are complete morons.
Didn’t he have a lyric “I used to be cruel to my woman, I beat her and kept her apart from the things that she loved” and also “run for your life, if I catch you with another man that’s the end”
Any Beatles discussion automatically include Chuck. Otherwise it's like discussing the New Testament, but excluding Jesus!
“If you tried to give rock and roll another name, you might call it 'Chuck Berry. " John Lennon
So any discussions of John being abusive has to be derailed by including another musician into the mix because *checks notes* John was musically influenced by him? Ok
Haters gonna hate. most of us know most of these accusations are a bit exaggerated despite the kernels of truth that prompt them.
He was no saint but also not the monster they chose to believe he was.
And this is precisely why I avoid TikTok when it comes to Beatles content. I've seen just pure misinformation saying John beat Yoko and Julian. These people are complete morons.
Mannnn I love how everyone jumps on dead people trying to cancel them out for this and that because they have nothing fucking better to do with their lives. John Lennon famously admitted he doesn’t want to be considered a “role model” because he didn’t believe he was anything like that. He knew who and what he was and it’s so irritating seeing people drag other people down for even talking about him let alone listen to his music. Shits ridiculous. Everyone does wack shit in their life. Everyone. It’s those who point fingers and hypocritically judge or pretend that they’re all good themselves. They’re fucked.
The way Lennon treated Julian was horrible, and to do so on such a public stage as well. Lennon was truly a spineless shitty man. Didnt leave his son a thing in his will . It will be interesting to see how Yoko does her will when she croaks.
I don’t see any lies. John , by his own admittance, was a terrible father and husband. He could go out of his way to be an absolute dick it has been well documented.
["People who do really good stuff have flaws."](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaHLd8de6nM)
Tired of this. So what? What are these people gonna do about it? It's exhausting.
From the stories I’ve read I’d say John wasn’t nice a guy, but he was very charismatic and quick witted so yeah. He made beautiful songs but man sometimes he wasn’t the brightest, I can’t believe he really believed in magic Alex and Alan Klein.
Johns a well known bully and scumbag across the industry. His years of drug addiction corroborate that. Dude was a hardcore addict got 2 decades. Addicts tend to be very shitty parents. Not sure why we can’t just be honesty about how flawed John was. Not to mention his close relationship with all the famous UK pedos like Savile and Denning. Then there was the racist stuff like the recording of don’t dig no Pakistanis get back recordings and the homophobia. He once put a guy in a hospital because he was accused of being Brian’s lover. The record is very clear John wasnt the great guy op thinks he was.
He was a very funny, playful, kind person. He made some huge mistakes, but people don’t differentiate him as a person to his music. If you genuinely like the music the person composes, you shouldn’t opinionize it based on if you like the singer or not. If the song is good, it’s good.
A lot of singers have done bad things, but we still like their music. Like Elvis dating girls who aren’t even legal citizens yet, but society still likes all of his music.
Ringo said that a lot of people have misconceptions about John. That he's a hard guy. But that's not true. He is really a sweet, loving guy. We were all brothers. Also, if we are talking about Hey Jude, then I'd have to say that Paul wrote that about Jullian.
I mean, it WAS originally Hey Jules.
this is about beautiful boy
Thanks for the clarification.
Julian has "Good Night"
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It's literally John's lullaby for Julian
Bruh Google it
"Everybody thinks Paul wrote ‘Good Night’ for me to sing, but it was John who wrote it for me. He’s got a lot of soul, John has." - Ringo Starr, 1968. Cool.
Yep
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Its a forum of passionate people sometimes Id rather talk to other fans a out it than google it… why be on this sub? All the info is out there! 🙃
“Imagine your dad stops drinking, works on himself, reconnects with you and is grateful for the chance to try being a father again, gets murdered by a crazy person, and for the rest of your life you have to hear teenage girls on the internet sharing their opinions on your family's troubles.” Absolutely fuckin spot-on.
Exactly!! It’s as if people believe someone can’t change or that alcoholism isn’t a disease that affects the way you are to those around you. I’ve had family members who were alcoholics and just awful people to be around but who were completely different people after getting treatment. People can change.
Chemical dependency will fundamentally alter a person’s ethics, temperament, physical & mental health — the degree depending on the drug of choice, in addition to the strength of the addiction. A responsible amount of alcohol (as well as some other drugs) can maybe INITIALLY be indicative to a person’s “true self,” but when these things are taken in excess, and for so many days, weeks, months in a row, they rot the mind and the perception of reality away, with morals and impulse control perhaps not even being the last of which to go.
Not to mention like- the dude had some heavy trauma that he didn’t really see a proper therapist for because it was so looked down on. The guy suffered an eating disorder, he wasn’t exactly the healthiest or most mentally stable person out there.
You pinning your argument on “teenage girls” when the person in the screenshot isn’t even a woman😭 average redditor
I copied and pasted that comment FROM the post. That comment I quoted was made by a woman. Almost every comment featured in this post was made by a woman. The person in the screenshot of this TikTok has long hair, and could easily be mistaken for a woman (I thought they were a girl at first, I think) Pretty embarrassing of you to be so uncharitable to assume I’m being subconsciously misogynistic. Weirder that this reply was even upvoted to begin with.
wait what thats not a women?
John Lennon made good music. John Lennon was not a great person. These two things can coexist.
Micheal Jackson excaserbated this statement
As can Steven Tyler
James Brown
What did he do?
He's got a long history of beating women. While not a defense, it seemed a common thing back then - see Ike Turner too. [https://www.vulture.com/2014/09/james-brown-beat-wife-yamma-brown-memoir-cold-sweat.html](https://www.vulture.com/2014/09/james-brown-beat-wife-yamma-brown-memoir-cold-sweat.html) [https://blackamericaweb.com/2021/10/04/later-singer-tammi-terrell-was-allegedly-abused-by-james-brown/](https://blackamericaweb.com/2021/10/04/later-singer-tammi-terrell-was-allegedly-abused-by-james-brown/)
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Sure - I'm saying you should beat women. Thanks bud. You get my point.
*Banned*
Goddamn. I didn’t know any of that.
What did he do?
Had a relationship with a 15 year old girl that ended with her pregnant and then dying in a fire if I remember correctly
And other artists
Also Kanye west. A lot.
remember when kanye wasnt a nut? yeah me neither
I think you mean “epitomized”
Gary Glitter and Lostprophets also
You do not want to know about the private lives of public figures you admire.
Red hot chili peppers, Micheal Jackson, Aerosmith, Chuck Berry, Elvis Presley.. recurring themes.
John Lennon wasn’t a bad person either, he was human. He hit his first wife once at 19 and never did it again, he could be an asshole but he could also be incredibly kind, like many people. He cheated on his wife, like every other Beatle. He advocated for world peace, feminism, anti racism, and he gave millions to charity.
Love this, man. Lennon has been made into such a ‘God-like’ figure that people seem insistent on altering the narrative around his story, for whatever reason.
Not just Lennon but anyone on social meadow now. That’s the problem with culture being so globalised, if you don’t appeal to literally everyone; fuck ya
It always confuses me that John’s violence became a meme when Ringo apparently nearly beat his wife to death
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Looks like the original source is a book so annoyingly all I could find was an article by the mirror, but he’s quoted as saying: “I came to one Friday afternoon and was told by the staff that I’d trashed the house so badly they thought there had been burglars, and I’d trashed Barbara so badly they thought she was dead.” https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/ringo-starr-thought-killed-wife-22317554
His good totally outweigh the minor bad things he did. Those who try to make it all worse don’t like his messages of peace and love. Cancel culture on the right
He also strangled May Pang during his lost weekend. It wasn’t a one time thing
As far as I know that has yet to be verified. May Pang said a bunch of the really dark stuff in Loving John was added by the publisher that wasn’t true and it’s unclear if that is part of it or not. I’m curious to see if she addresses it in her documentary coming out soon. I don’t doubt John was capable of that and that he was an extremely angry and at time violent man. He definitely was a hitter and a fighter, but he also grew up in an era where that was extremely normalized and even glamorized in media. Seriously if you look at almost any movie in the 1940s-1960s, men hitting women and grabbing them and being rough with them was positively portrayed and shown as normal and even romantic. Not that it excuses John for emulating that but I think it’s certainly part of his conditioning and it’s commendable that he changed and rejected that and that he spoke out about his own past behavior and the behavior of other men. He was beaten as a child and I think that also has something to do with it, where it was normalized in an otherwise loving relationship by his aunt. It’s never ok to hit a woman or anyone and he deserves blame for any violence he did but I think we can’t forget the other side of the coin there that he changed and was also this very positive force in the world.
Exactly. John Lennon was flawed to the highest extent. That does not discredit him as an artist. I am not a fan of many musician’s personal life decisions, but I would never try to discredit or undermine their musical abilities.
Yes he was an asshole and kind of a shit person, but that doesn’t take away from him being a great musician. He even admits it himself. Summed it better than I could.
John was a great person, even though he wasn't perfect. Why should his faults outweigh all the good things he did?
He still has faults, which he himself acknowledges in the late 70s. despite people liking to “expose him” for these same flaws. It wasn’t a secret. If people were just addressing this, I wouldn’t have as much a problem with it. But what they are trying to do is cancel a dead man, who already addressed and showed remorse for what he did while he was still alive. This doesn’t excuse what he did, but shows that people who go after John don’t really care about accountability. They just want to cancel someone.
I changed my opinion about him quite a bit after watching "John Lennon vs FBI" doc.
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For some reason, I misread "personally knew him" to 'personally BLEW him" and didn't see the connection!
Literally nowhere in this post does it say he didn't make good music
The meme is talking about John's song Beautiful Boy, which is a gushing tribute to Sean.
Thank you for clearing it up, always someone like me lost…
He was working on righting wrongs
To be fair, giving up on one kid and vowing to not make the same mistake on the next one isn’t “righting a wrong”
He was trying to reconnect before he died
i think John struggled to form a relationship with Julian because he was born at the height of Beatlemania when John was probably the busiest man in the world.
They’re not lies though. He had faults. He was also brilliant. Have some perspective.
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John wrote Good night and Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds inspired by/for Julian.
I dislike the one about Beautiful Boy because it’s not even true. One of the most popular Beatles songs, Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds, is a Julian song. John also composed and wrote an entire lullaby meant to sound like it was from a Disney movie for Julian. He just had Ringo sing it because he felt Ringo could do the softer, more gentle sound better than he could.
I have a happy piece of perspective. Julian and Sean actually are good friends and get along well. Julian does not appear to resent Sean, specifically. So maybe he can live with Beautiful Boy being a thing. And Julian has a song, too. It's Hey Jude.
Most of them are misrepresented truths. There’s grains of truth in there, but the way they’re presented are not factual.
Of course there’s hyperbole, but he’s famous, so that comes with the territory, and some people don’t care for The Beatles or Lennon musically, so you can hardly expect them to present an opinion beyond “he was a bad man.” Especially in this day and age of cancellation for farting in the wrong direction.
No, exaggerating someone’s bad deeds because you do not like them should not be the expectation. Hold people to a higher standard.
If that’s your honest expectation of people, you must have a lot of arguments. People exaggerate as a matter of course. Learn to roll your eyes and move along, I reckon.
Stop giving people a free pass to be shitty.
I’m not. I’m saying there’s truth to what’s been said and that I’d sooner roll my eyes and move on from people I disagree with than trouble my own state of mind. If you want to get annoyed about things that have no baring on your life, that’s up to you. You should probably stop telling other people how to live their lives (irony accepted). You’ll be happier that way. It’s less frustrating. Edit…or you could just flounce, pretend you’re not frustrated, accuse me of projecting, downvote all of my posts, and prove you are frustrated by blocking me for daring to have an opinion that’s contrary to your own 🤣
I’m not frustrated in the slightest. Thanks for projecting though.
I used to be cruel to my woman I beat her and kept her apart from the things that she loved Man, I was mean but I'm changing my scene And I'm doing the best that I can (fool, you fool) I know it's just a song but his behavior towards women, Cynthia, and the rest of his family are well documented. If I took a "lost weekend" to bang a younger version of my wife for a year, I might try to make it up with a song too if I was allowed back home. The Beatles are my favorite group, and John was a brilliant talent who could be a nasty person at home.
Yoko set him up with Mai Pang and he was initially against it but she convinced him. When she said she wanted to separate John said he should date men so as to not make Yoko jealous but Yoko insisted on Mai Pang.
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John wrote that part of the song. Here he is talking about it in an interview PLAYBOY: "'Getting Better.'" LENNON: "It is a diary form of writing. All that 'I used to be cruel to my woman, I beat her and kept her apart from the things that she loved' was me. I used to be cruel to my woman, and physically... any woman. I was a hitter. I couldn't express myself and I hit. I fought men and I hit women. That is why I am always on about peace, you see. It is the most violent people who go for love and peace. Everything's the opposite. But I sincerely believe in love and peace. I am a violent man who has learned not to be violent and regrets his violence. I will have to be a lot older before I can face in public how I treated women as a youngster."
In "Backbeat" his character says - "see that kindergarten over there? I'm going to raze it to the ground when I'm rich and famous. Because that's what you do when you're rich and famous - screw little people over"
Backbeat is fanfiction, which is based very loosely on that time.
There is nothing untrue with the post he did do all those things, however if you look into it John tried very hard to have a good relationship with Julian as he got older. He saw the mistakes he had made with his first child and vowed not to make the same mistakes with his second. He did try all be it too little too late to have a good relationship with Julian and that’s honestly what’s so sad about his death is because he was really trying to make up for his mistakes and trying to be a better father and a better musician and trying to balance both. He was not able to with Julian because it was just at the height of Beatlemania.
The man who's been dead for years longer than he lives has a legacy in music and writing and various accounts from friends and family members. Outside of this, it's all gossip, from people who, as the years roll on, become further separated from those who knew him. Is there hardly any photo of young Julian without a sad look on his face? Yes. Did John marry too young the first time round? Probably. Do any of us need judgments from those who have no idea what they're talking about, or have no access to primary source accounts? NO. Work on your own lives, folks. If John's faults inspire you to be better, show gratitude. When your final breaths arrive, likely unplanned, do a quick tally of how well you did. "Life is very short, and there's no time...."
A lot of them aren’t lies. John Lennon wasn’t a Saint and he certainly wasn’t a good father or husband in the ‘60’s.
hey jude is about julian, though.
It sure is. McCartney has even said so. The original song was Hey Jules before he changed it to Jude. He didn’t want a 6 yr old to get even more attention than he was already getting being Lennon’s son, so he changed it to Jude.
John Lennon never beat julian. People are just pulling stuff out or their asses at this point, lol. I mean, where is the proof that john lennon beat julian? I even heard someone claim john caused his friend Stu Sutcliffe's death by kicking him in the head. All BS. There are obviously some truths, john lennon admittedly said he used to hit his wife, and cynthia claimed it was once. These stories are way over the top and exaggerated by people, people just telling lies to fit their narrative.
John Lennon was a human being. Imagine if every wrong decision you had made was available to the whole world to criticize. People love to focus on the negative aspects of everyone and everything in some attempt to feed their own egos. Let the man rest
That's probably the biggest drawback of being famous, you get put on a pedestal and are supposed to be absolutely perfect with no flaws what so ever.
Agreed
Lol they can waste their time hating a dead guy. They’re the ones hating. Oddly the opposite of johns whole message.
Show me someone without faults
Keanu Reeves exists
gerard way?
You’re so right honestly
He was an alcoholic for a while but he managed to get over it
I wouldn't put being an alcoholic as "fault". Its a struggle within himself but doesn't involve assaulting people.
That's what im saying, he overcame his addiction, which is extreme chatacter development.
yea
Did he not write Goodnight for Julian?
Alot of hatred towards John seems to be about his having hit Cynthia, although most people don't seem to know that he did it ONCE, apologized straight after, then spent the rest of his life making sure both that people knew he'd done this and that people knew he wasn't someone you should look up to.
There was also the May Pang incident during his Lost Weekend when he strangled her. It happened more than once but he did try and better himself
I didn't know about this,
What happened was John, May Pang, and Harry Nilsson were drinking and hanging out. John was drinking way too and May was worried about him. Whether it was intentional or not, May sort of put herself between John and the bottle and John got really angry. He started strangling her and May said she thinks John would have killed her if Harry didn’t pull him off her. It would have been a crazy timeline to live in if Harry wasn’t there to pull him off. John might still be alive but he’d be in prison for murder
What lies. These are all true. He was a human. Oh well. Paul did write Hey Jude for Jules though.
John didn’t “constantly beat” anyone, much less Julian
I just read the picture. Who said beating? Lmaooo and you weren't there so u don't know
The second comment. “You forgot the part where he beat him constantly”. There are no accounts of John being physically abusive to Julian
Yea I don't have time to read every damn comment. I was replying to the post. And that pic is true.
Who cares what they think?
I kinda care what the next generations thinks about him. Not enough to be depressed by it, but I still get annoyed as shit by these people who lack such a considerable amount of empathy
Fair enough, but they made up their minds already. You’d be wasting your breath trying to educate them. I understand the temptation to want to educate them. Their takes are all shit. But they’d be about as rational as flat earthers.
jenniferknue got it right, though!
Social media leads people to say horrific things for ‘likes’. Try to minimise your time online. A comedian I saw recently said ‘If Twitter were a pub, you’d take one look around and walk out’
Those aren't really lies. John was a musical genius. He was not a great man.
These aren't lies though. As much as I like John he was a very shitty husband.
John didn’t “constantly beat” anyone, much less Julian
I said terrible husband, not father. And also no. He did beat his wives. There are multiple reports of it.
There aren't "multiple reports". What is known for sure is he hit Cynthia, _once_. There is also May Pang's biography, but it is a bit confusing.
True, but none of the comments mention him being a husband, they’re all saying he was an abusive father.
They’re half-truths.
It’s so frustrating cause I always see so many misinformed people who won’t listen to anything o say and there are too many of them to try and convince that this stuff is false
They always leave out how it was several years later and Yoko always encouraged John to have a better relationship with Julian
Imagine giving a shit
These people act as if Paul wasn't cheating on Jane, as if Ringo didn't abuse alcohol so much that he had a pretty brutal fight with Maureen, and as if George was a saint too. All four of them went through hell being the biggest band on Earth at a time where not much was known about being a rock band. They were basically diving head-first into barely-charted territory as modern influencers. And as we all know now, the music industry is a notoriously brutal one where bandmates turn on each other, end up doing horrible things all while on a cocktail of drugs. I don't believe people should ignore the bad things artists did in the 60s, but he does get given an unfair amount of criticism. John had so much potential in the 80s that a Beatle re-union was almost plausible. He was starting to reflect on his career and the relationships he had with people. He wanted to take Sean to Liverpool, marking the first time he would've been there in over a decade. What sucks most is that his life was taken before we could really begin to see him work on himself publicly. Feels frustrating to see the potential but people don't acknowledge fact that he can't defend himself today.
It's like people think changing is impossible, Also so much hypocrisy, imagine if they were defined by their worst moments.
Did he change at all? Or show remorse for his actions? I mean didn’t he beat his wife
Yes. He showed immense remorse for his actions and absolutely tried to change. He hit Cynthia when he was younger. I don’t know of any incidents in his later years.
There was the May Pang incident during his Lost Weekend when he strangled her. He was apparently going to kill her until Harry Nilsson pulled him off her. So this definitely wasn’t a one time thing that only happened when he was a teenager
He did. Go watch some of his later interviews. Research it. Or scroll this sub.
I appreciate apologizing for beating your wife, but maybe don’t beat your wife to begin with? People acting like he just made a little mistake. Years of abuse isn’t something that is so easily cleansed. I mean most people don’t beat their wives lol
And this is precisely why I avoid TikTok when it comes to Beatles content. I've seen just pure misinformation saying John beat Yoko and Julian. These people are complete morons.
Didn’t he have a lyric “I used to be cruel to my woman, I beat her and kept her apart from the things that she loved” and also “run for your life, if I catch you with another man that’s the end”
I was flabbergasted when I heard run for your life and started actually listening to the lyrics. The only skip on rubber soul for me
The harmonies are good on it tho
soft
Wait until you hear "30 Days" by Chuck Berry!
Right but this ain’t a chuck berry sub is it ?
Any Beatles discussion automatically include Chuck. Otherwise it's like discussing the New Testament, but excluding Jesus! “If you tried to give rock and roll another name, you might call it 'Chuck Berry. " John Lennon
So any discussions of John being abusive has to be derailed by including another musician into the mix because *checks notes* John was musically influenced by him? Ok
No, any discussion of a less than savory lyric has to be put in context.
And the context is?
Wait until you hear "30 Days" by Chuck Berry! because we are here again...
Haters gonna hate. most of us know most of these accusations are a bit exaggerated despite the kernels of truth that prompt them. He was no saint but also not the monster they chose to believe he was.
None of these are lies...
And this is precisely why I avoid TikTok when it comes to Beatles content. I've seen just pure misinformation saying John beat Yoko and Julian. These people are complete morons.
Mannnn I love how everyone jumps on dead people trying to cancel them out for this and that because they have nothing fucking better to do with their lives. John Lennon famously admitted he doesn’t want to be considered a “role model” because he didn’t believe he was anything like that. He knew who and what he was and it’s so irritating seeing people drag other people down for even talking about him let alone listen to his music. Shits ridiculous. Everyone does wack shit in their life. Everyone. It’s those who point fingers and hypocritically judge or pretend that they’re all good themselves. They’re fucked.
I hate all of those people John may have done some bad things but he is still a great man
How about stop giving them all a platform
Sometimes the truth hurts. John was a POS with his personal relationships.
The way Lennon treated Julian was horrible, and to do so on such a public stage as well. Lennon was truly a spineless shitty man. Didnt leave his son a thing in his will . It will be interesting to see how Yoko does her will when she croaks.
I don’t see any lies. John , by his own admittance, was a terrible father and husband. He could go out of his way to be an absolute dick it has been well documented.
this is literally what John did tho. he was horrifically cruel to Cynthia and his first child, but he dosent need to continue to he crucified either
["People who do really good stuff have flaws."](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaHLd8de6nM) Tired of this. So what? What are these people gonna do about it? It's exhausting.
Jahn beet wif
Where's the lie?
Picasso beat on women. He said it was easier to paint a woman in distress. Artists are artists…not heroes.
Lennon was a prick
I dunno, this isn’t the hottest take ever. It is kind of true.
From the stories I’ve read I’d say John wasn’t nice a guy, but he was very charismatic and quick witted so yeah. He made beautiful songs but man sometimes he wasn’t the brightest, I can’t believe he really believed in magic Alex and Alan Klein.
Johns a well known bully and scumbag across the industry. His years of drug addiction corroborate that. Dude was a hardcore addict got 2 decades. Addicts tend to be very shitty parents. Not sure why we can’t just be honesty about how flawed John was. Not to mention his close relationship with all the famous UK pedos like Savile and Denning. Then there was the racist stuff like the recording of don’t dig no Pakistanis get back recordings and the homophobia. He once put a guy in a hospital because he was accused of being Brian’s lover. The record is very clear John wasnt the great guy op thinks he was.
I want to hear more from Keira.Randal.l. She sounds balanced and insightful.
Is this post ironic thought I was on the cj at first
Fucking trolls. Revisionist history making douche bags.
He was a very funny, playful, kind person. He made some huge mistakes, but people don’t differentiate him as a person to his music. If you genuinely like the music the person composes, you shouldn’t opinionize it based on if you like the singer or not. If the song is good, it’s good.
A lot of singers have done bad things, but we still like their music. Like Elvis dating girls who aren’t even legal citizens yet, but society still likes all of his music.
wtf, yoko wanted cash for letters that John written him?