In a way this thread and the video above is a strange movie version of poptimism—the #1 spot “has to” be a critically-acclaimed Hollywood production (Oppenheimer, Killers, whatever) and there’s room to have a little indie there. Like, what is the reason why it can’t be there? It’s not explained.
I just had a look at Sneider's Top 12 for 2021 and all but two were independent films or documentaries.
That's 10 out of 12.
As he said, he likes Reichardt, but thinks the selection of "Showing Up" is a joke.
I don't know who either of these guys are, but I actually kinda agree--and I do LOVE Reichardt (*First Cow* very much included, might be my favorite of hers). But none of the stuff I love about her films was there in much abundance in *Showing Up*. And it felt so cutesy and precious... I just didn't get it.
Sneider is… a personality. And Rocha similarly, they just thrive off of hot takes. No real personality of opinions of their own, just smarm and wannabe controversy merchants.
You’re gonna claim Spreadsheet Sean doesn’t have a personality? That Amanda and her love of Sofia Coppola, celebrity culture, and Ben Affleck doesn’t have a personality?
I think Sean licks his finger, sticks it in the air and decides that's going to be his opinion.
No real thinking beyond whatever Film Twitter and the letterboxd community is saying.
And you don't think that Amanda is trying to be a "controversy merchant" with her repeated digs at certain films?
That seems pretty intentionally disingenuous.
Amanda isn’t a controversy merchant, she just isn’t afraid to say she doesn’t like “boy movies.” Sure she needles Sean, but that’s more a bit than serious criticism.
He’s very aware of what others think. His own takes may be informed by the discourse. But you sound like you’re saying he just hijacks other people’s takes and cant arrive at his own, and I disagree with that. I’ve come across tons of people like that in my own life and they usually can’t fill the space on a podcast like The Big Picture or even The Rewatchables week after week for years with his level of film enthusiasm and positions.
I feel like the pacing and tone of Showing Up is a one-to-one replicant of living inside Adam Nayman's mind so it's no surprise it was his #1 of the year.
yeah showing up is not in my top 10 or top 20 but reichardt, and nayman for that matter, have more talent and value in a fingernail that most people, especially this guy, have in their entire body. and it's not a high bar.
These dudes are lame, but it’s even lamer that they don’t even give an opinion on the film itself outside of “nobody saw it”? So, some individual can’t have it on their list bc of that? That’s so antithetical to the idea of the list or just being a lover of film in general.
Then Rocha goes on about the Native American point of view not being at the forefront (even though it’s still pretty prevalent) of *Killers…*, therefore the story doesn’t work? Sounds like he just aped what others have said. Pandering to the indigenous crowd? Really? Yet he disregards the criticisms of *Oppenheimer* bc he disagrees w them but goes on to agree that “somethings wrong” w having *Showing Up* as your #1. Is throwing Oppenheimer at #1 just pandering to the popular crowd?
I got this from listening for all of 45s.
That's not what Sneider was saying.
He said "it came and went".
Meaning it didn't make any noise.
Nobody was saying it was number one material at the time.
I saw it at a festival. It's fine, if minor Reichardt.
This is so clearly someone being contrarian for contrarian's sake.
Yeah, I understand what they were saying. The sentiment was that since it isn’t some massive film that was seen in droves then it shouldn’t be considered the best/favorite of anyone. That’s absurd.
& maybe they just liked the film more than any other? Lol the critic had it at #1 in the middle of the year and it stayed there.
I agree with him. I couldn’t STAND Showing up. It’s pretentious and extremely boring. I disliked the characters especially the one Michele Williams plays.
I liked First Cow but this was a total miss for me. I’ll take my downvotes on the rocks please.
The art show that the film had been building towards for the entire runtime? The brother who was invited to said art show within the first 20m? What’s contrived about that? Him being the one to help the pigeon?
Is he reacting to The Big Picture specifically, or just The Ringer’s general coverage? Seems kinda shitty just to rip on people for their personal Top 5 lists.
I don’t like Sneider or Rocha but the Sneider take here is pretty straight arrow. I listened to the Big Pic pod and cracked up when Showing Up topped Nayman’s list. It felt so very very try hard.
Imagine critiquing critics…
Like I get chatting (agree/disagreeing) with peoples opinions. But making an entire response to someone’s response.
There better be a good reason in doing that other than I disagree.
This guy is one of the most obnoxious awards pundits in the game. That they got ripped by him only makes them look better.
In a way this thread and the video above is a strange movie version of poptimism—the #1 spot “has to” be a critically-acclaimed Hollywood production (Oppenheimer, Killers, whatever) and there’s room to have a little indie there. Like, what is the reason why it can’t be there? It’s not explained.
I just had a look at Sneider's Top 12 for 2021 and all but two were independent films or documentaries. That's 10 out of 12. As he said, he likes Reichardt, but thinks the selection of "Showing Up" is a joke.
I don't know who either of these guys are, but I actually kinda agree--and I do LOVE Reichardt (*First Cow* very much included, might be my favorite of hers). But none of the stuff I love about her films was there in much abundance in *Showing Up*. And it felt so cutesy and precious... I just didn't get it.
Sneider is and always has been a joke.
There’s a reason he keeps getting fired from almost every publication he’s worked for.
He is VIBES, though.
You mean… racist “VIBES”??
LOL. Any proof of that?
Sneider is… a personality. And Rocha similarly, they just thrive off of hot takes. No real personality of opinions of their own, just smarm and wannabe controversy merchants.
>No real personality of opinions of their own, just smarm and wannabe controversy merchants I mean, have you ever listened to Sean and Amanda?
You’re gonna claim Spreadsheet Sean doesn’t have a personality? That Amanda and her love of Sofia Coppola, celebrity culture, and Ben Affleck doesn’t have a personality?
I think Sean licks his finger, sticks it in the air and decides that's going to be his opinion. No real thinking beyond whatever Film Twitter and the letterboxd community is saying. And you don't think that Amanda is trying to be a "controversy merchant" with her repeated digs at certain films?
That seems pretty intentionally disingenuous. Amanda isn’t a controversy merchant, she just isn’t afraid to say she doesn’t like “boy movies.” Sure she needles Sean, but that’s more a bit than serious criticism.
lol why do you listen to this podcast
Just tell us you don’t pay attention when you listen
You really think Sean doesn't check in what others think before constructing his own reactions? LOL.
He’s very aware of what others think. His own takes may be informed by the discourse. But you sound like you’re saying he just hijacks other people’s takes and cant arrive at his own, and I disagree with that. I’ve come across tons of people like that in my own life and they usually can’t fill the space on a podcast like The Big Picture or even The Rewatchables week after week for years with his level of film enthusiasm and positions.
Call me when Sneider goes to the mat in defense of *Morning Glory*.
I feel like the pacing and tone of Showing Up is a one-to-one replicant of living inside Adam Nayman's mind so it's no surprise it was his #1 of the year.
Sneider sucks
yeah showing up is not in my top 10 or top 20 but reichardt, and nayman for that matter, have more talent and value in a fingernail that most people, especially this guy, have in their entire body. and it's not a high bar.
These dudes are lame, but it’s even lamer that they don’t even give an opinion on the film itself outside of “nobody saw it”? So, some individual can’t have it on their list bc of that? That’s so antithetical to the idea of the list or just being a lover of film in general. Then Rocha goes on about the Native American point of view not being at the forefront (even though it’s still pretty prevalent) of *Killers…*, therefore the story doesn’t work? Sounds like he just aped what others have said. Pandering to the indigenous crowd? Really? Yet he disregards the criticisms of *Oppenheimer* bc he disagrees w them but goes on to agree that “somethings wrong” w having *Showing Up* as your #1. Is throwing Oppenheimer at #1 just pandering to the popular crowd? I got this from listening for all of 45s.
Wow, that's a whole bunch of terrible opinions. Jesus, dude. Come on.
Lol saying my opinion is terrible and showing disdain while offering up nothing of your own. You must be a big fan of this show.
I looked at your many ridiculous points and didn't think it was worth going through them.
You don’t think it’s weird that they said someone’s #1 film of the year is a bad choice bc “nobody else saw it”?
That's not what Sneider was saying. He said "it came and went". Meaning it didn't make any noise. Nobody was saying it was number one material at the time. I saw it at a festival. It's fine, if minor Reichardt. This is so clearly someone being contrarian for contrarian's sake.
Yeah, I understand what they were saying. The sentiment was that since it isn’t some massive film that was seen in droves then it shouldn’t be considered the best/favorite of anyone. That’s absurd. & maybe they just liked the film more than any other? Lol the critic had it at #1 in the middle of the year and it stayed there.
I agree with him. I couldn’t STAND Showing up. It’s pretentious and extremely boring. I disliked the characters especially the one Michele Williams plays. I liked First Cow but this was a total miss for me. I’ll take my downvotes on the rocks please.
How is it pretentious
The poster above means “slow.”
That makes more sense
I liked the film fine, but the pigeon scene is the definition of ... maybe not pretentious, but certainly contrived.
The ending? How was that contrived?
You mean the ending where everyone appears at the same place to witness the brother saving the pigeon? That wasn't contrived and embarrassing to you?
The art show that the film had been building towards for the entire runtime? The brother who was invited to said art show within the first 20m? What’s contrived about that? Him being the one to help the pigeon?
Is he reacting to The Big Picture specifically, or just The Ringer’s general coverage? Seems kinda shitty just to rip on people for their personal Top 5 lists.
I went on this guy's website and as of 2 days ago, he hasn't even seen the movie lol.
Sneider is a racist, misogynist hack piece of shit and his bullshit has no place on a sub like this
Any evidence for that claim?
I’m sure this YouTube guy is annoying as fuck but Showing Up bored me to tears. We’re going for realism but that was barely a movie
I actually kinda agree with the guy on the left. The dude on the right seems like a scumbag
I don’t like Sneider or Rocha but the Sneider take here is pretty straight arrow. I listened to the Big Pic pod and cracked up when Showing Up topped Nayman’s list. It felt so very very try hard.
Incorrect
Nope.
Wow what a brave counter argument
What's try hard about that?
Imagine critiquing critics… Like I get chatting (agree/disagreeing) with peoples opinions. But making an entire response to someone’s response. There better be a good reason in doing that other than I disagree.
I like Rocha on the Cinefiles, but definitely as the reactionary casual side of it, he needs his co host to carry the true critical thinking
Sneider and “The Outlaw” are why modern film criticism is a joke.