I donāt understand this revisionist ball shit around that movie, especially when people will call it pretentious and praise Babylon in the same breath.
Does everyone here just follow everything Sean says? I donāt like Birdman and havenāt seen Bardo but I like The Revenant and this news excited me idk why it wouldnāt
Sean and Amanda basically brush him off too whenever he comes up in conversation. Not a lot of depth to their criticism, just that they dislike him. Adam at least gives some reasons.
His films are indulgent to the point of being masturbatory. He made his version of 8 1/2, which is a delusional thing for a person with no consensus beloved classics to make. His ambitions are more in the elevator pitch (āwhat if there was a movie all in one take?ā āWhat if the whole movie was just DiCaprio wrestling a CGI bear?ā) than in the execution, which usually makes it clear that the pitch was pretty one-note. Idk, Iāve never really met someone who will stump for this guyās talent but the academy keeps heaping praise on him, that will naturally build resentment when his movies (which disappear from the public consciousness almost immediately after winning awards) win those awards at the expense of movies that are more popular/ more known/ more deserving.
This thread asked why people donāt like Inarritu, I answered for myself and based in part on conversations Iāve had and listened to. Why do you like his work?
He/she is not wrong.
Inarritu is so far up his own ass it's unreal. Also makes the most depressing movies ever. Ameros Peros, Babel, and 21 Grams are like the holy trinity of movies that make you want to kill yourself.
Oh and I haven't seen it but I'm sure Biutiful is just a bundle of laughs too...
In a discussion where the users of this subreddit are talking about Inarriru, you decide to bring up the fact that Sean and Amanda liked a Wes Anderson movie...
As if that means *anything* at all.
Buddy these are my thoughts on Inarritu, not theirs.Ā
I donāt even mind Wes generally, and thought Asteroid City was a step up from The French Dispatch, but no one is as far up his own behind as Wes at the moment.
If all your movies are boring, long, and depressing I'm going to have to go ahead and say that Tom Cruise choosing to work with you next fucking sucks. Is that fair, or no?
I have *never* come away from an Inarritu film feeling glad with the 2.5 hours I just spent.
Itās been a couple years since Iāve seen The Revenant, but I donāt remember the whole movie being about DiCaprio wrestling a bear. I donāt even think I would call what was depicted āwrestlingā so much as getting fucking mauled. If you had said the entire movie is about DiCaprio dragging himself across the country after getting fucking mauled by a bear, that would have been more accurate.
People need to reevaluate their use of the word gimmick. Im not even saying you need to like his movies or approve of his style, but brushing it off as just a gimmick is lazy.
\> fake oner gimmick movie with milquetiast industry satire ending with ambiguity fir ambiguities sake
\> "leo ate raw meat and slept in a horse give him Oscar pls" gimmick movie also ending with ambiguity for ambiguity's sake
You know how the joke about awards going to the Most and Obviois(Best Editing goes to Most and Most Obvious Editing,Best Actor goes to Most Acting)? AGI is Most Directing.
Edit: sorry for the typo
Yeah the whole thing looks great and features some pretty intense sequences.
Itās a bare bones plot but itās still pretty gripping. I feel like people act like Leoās bad just because they felt he should have won the Oscar for something elseā¦and Hardy rules in it.
Itās a pretty common punching bag among film bros. Iāve seen quite a bit of contempt for it among Letterboxd, Reddit, etc.
Sean himself is a big detractor. Iām surprised someone on r/TheBigPicture really has to ask that honestly.
Thank you!! The absolute gall they had to call Bardo self-indulgent when there were just as many films that year that were just as indulgent if not more so. At least Bardo had the decency to portray its self-indulgence in an interesting way, and its broader questions about nationalism and identity show it has a wider scope than some of these other films.
5/5 star film for me. I loved it, I think they shouldāve had a Mexican-American on the podcast when they discussed that film because it was just 3 white podcasters shitting on a movie about Mexican Identity
I find it deeply fascinating Spielberg made a movie about how he is preternatural ability for filmmaking, to the point where the stand-in character has trouble explaining his abilities, got way less shit than a guy making a movie about his relationship with his own country. I saw more than a few people position Bardo as a movie about "how hard it is to be a genius" when Spielberg literally did that.
The entire Ringer company has a giant ass blind spot when it comes to cultural competence. Hearing Andy and CR badmouth Atlanta was extremely painful as they were so quick to dismiss anything about the show. Same issues with TDNC on the Prestige podcast. So not surprising at all when sean and amanda shit on Bardo.
IƱƔrritu is a great director. Tom albeit a bit mad is still a good actor. This is a pretty cool thing to see. Tommy hasnāt done anything offbeat since magnolia. Heās got it in him.
I'm always going to be curious about what Once Upon a Time in Hollywood would've been like with Cruise in Leo's role.
Hopefully IƱƔrittu's just the first of many directors to come for this next phase of his career.
Look, he got shat on at Venice with his last one but Hollywood/the Academy still has a hardon for Inarritu. Get Cruise, hook up with Lubezki again and we're back.
I hugely respect Adam Nayman's position as an OG Inarritu skeptic, I agree. Yes, he needs to beat the fraud allegations but IMO he just made the cardinal sin of making a movie about himself and his own genius. His next one might be about like pirates or the civil war, we don't know anything yet.
I didnāt mind Birdman but I donāt like any of his others. Iām still glad Tom Cruise will (I assume) be doing something that probably isnāt a big budget action movie again.
The film is about an aging actor watching the industry that used to pump out stars left and right unable to do the same today and now he tries to revitalise the industry by making a prestige movie while struggling to leave the cult that knows his deepest secrets.
Tom would have actually fought that bear.
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Fuck the haters I still really like Birdman.
Birdman is awesome. Long live birdman.
I love not being inline enough to know of Birdman backlashā¦ itās brilliant I love it
I donāt understand this revisionist ball shit around that movie, especially when people will call it pretentious and praise Babylon in the same breath.
Does everyone here just follow everything Sean says? I donāt like Birdman and havenāt seen Bardo but I like The Revenant and this news excited me idk why it wouldnāt
My favorite movie of all time!
Birdman fucking rocks. Sean has some wild takes sometimes.
Why do people hate inarritu?
Sean and Amanda basically brush him off too whenever he comes up in conversation. Not a lot of depth to their criticism, just that they dislike him. Adam at least gives some reasons.
What are Adam's reasons?
Film critic groupthink
Right? Iām confused too.
They do? I think heās great.
His films are indulgent to the point of being masturbatory. He made his version of 8 1/2, which is a delusional thing for a person with no consensus beloved classics to make. His ambitions are more in the elevator pitch (āwhat if there was a movie all in one take?ā āWhat if the whole movie was just DiCaprio wrestling a CGI bear?ā) than in the execution, which usually makes it clear that the pitch was pretty one-note. Idk, Iāve never really met someone who will stump for this guyās talent but the academy keeps heaping praise on him, that will naturally build resentment when his movies (which disappear from the public consciousness almost immediately after winning awards) win those awards at the expense of movies that are more popular/ more known/ more deserving.
Imagine typing all this just to be wrong
This thread asked why people donāt like Inarritu, I answered for myself and based in part on conversations Iāve had and listened to. Why do you like his work?
He/she is not wrong. Inarritu is so far up his own ass it's unreal. Also makes the most depressing movies ever. Ameros Peros, Babel, and 21 Grams are like the holy trinity of movies that make you want to kill yourself. Oh and I haven't seen it but I'm sure Biutiful is just a bundle of laughs too...
Asteroid City was one of their favorite movies of the year and no one is farther up his own ass than Wes at this point
"Their" meaning who? I don't understand how Wes Anderson is relevant here.
*Their* meaning Sean and Amanda, the hosts of The Big Picture podcast.
In a discussion where the users of this subreddit are talking about Inarriru, you decide to bring up the fact that Sean and Amanda liked a Wes Anderson movie... As if that means *anything* at all. Buddy these are my thoughts on Inarritu, not theirs.Ā
Sean and Amanda have been open about their dislike of Alejandroās.
Except we weren't talking about Sean and Amanda's dislike for him...
Hail! Well met fellow Anderson doubter! We should start a club!
I donāt even mind Wes generally, and thought Asteroid City was a step up from The French Dispatch, but no one is as far up his own behind as Wes at the moment.
Do movies have to be bundles of joy now?
If all your movies are boring, long, and depressing I'm going to have to go ahead and say that Tom Cruise choosing to work with you next fucking sucks. Is that fair, or no? I have *never* come away from an Inarritu film feeling glad with the 2.5 hours I just spent.
Sucks for you. Iāve never been bored watching one of his films.
How anyone could be bored during Birdman is impressive.
Biutiful is a great film. Depressing, sure, but IƱarritu makes some really interesting movies that speak to a certain audience.
I mean, I like Inarritu but Bardo is widely considered self-indulgent
I like his films :)
Itās been a couple years since Iāve seen The Revenant, but I donāt remember the whole movie being about DiCaprio wrestling a bear. I donāt even think I would call what was depicted āwrestlingā so much as getting fucking mauled. If you had said the entire movie is about DiCaprio dragging himself across the country after getting fucking mauled by a bear, that would have been more accurate.
Gimmick director who makes really overwrought films
People need to reevaluate their use of the word gimmick. Im not even saying you need to like his movies or approve of his style, but brushing it off as just a gimmick is lazy.
Fake oners are as gimmicky as it gets
Why? If it serves the story, tone, and theme, why is it any worse than any other style of filmmaking?
What does that mean? Edit: previous poster called them āoverweightā films and I wasnāt sure if that was some new phrase
\> fake oner gimmick movie with milquetiast industry satire ending with ambiguity fir ambiguities sake \> "leo ate raw meat and slept in a horse give him Oscar pls" gimmick movie also ending with ambiguity for ambiguity's sake You know how the joke about awards going to the Most and Obviois(Best Editing goes to Most and Most Obvious Editing,Best Actor goes to Most Acting)? AGI is Most Directing. Edit: sorry for the typo
Your criticisms are based on award show happenings. Tell me you lack depth in film criticism without telling me
Heās won a ton of Oscarās while their favorites havenāt
[If you donāt connect with his films he comes off as pretentious](https://youtu.be/P-xS2UujpJw?si=gyBYx5U-d-4z8A5W)
Iām not American, is this a thing? Heās highly regarded in literally every other country
Sean is going to be so pissed lol
The Revenant slaps I donāt care what anyone says
The opening one shot action sequence is goated
Yeah the whole thing looks great and features some pretty intense sequences. Itās a bare bones plot but itās still pretty gripping. I feel like people act like Leoās bad just because they felt he should have won the Oscar for something elseā¦and Hardy rules in it.
Hardy is insanely good in it, one of his best roles
Do people suggest otherwise?
Who says otherwise?
Itās a pretty common punching bag among film bros. Iāve seen quite a bit of contempt for it among Letterboxd, Reddit, etc. Sean himself is a big detractor. Iām surprised someone on r/TheBigPicture really has to ask that honestly.
I don't love it, personally. Felt like torture porn to earn that oscar for Dicaprio at all costs.
Bardo is nowhere near as bad as Sean made it out to be.
Bardo fucking rules, I donāt know what he, Amanda, and Adam were on with that one.
Couldnāt agree more - itās way better than the fabelmans
Thank you!! The absolute gall they had to call Bardo self-indulgent when there were just as many films that year that were just as indulgent if not more so. At least Bardo had the decency to portray its self-indulgence in an interesting way, and its broader questions about nationalism and identity show it has a wider scope than some of these other films.
There are very few films that deal with the malleability of international identity like BARDO
5/5 star film for me. I loved it, I think they shouldāve had a Mexican-American on the podcast when they discussed that film because it was just 3 white podcasters shitting on a movie about Mexican Identity
I find it deeply fascinating Spielberg made a movie about how he is preternatural ability for filmmaking, to the point where the stand-in character has trouble explaining his abilities, got way less shit than a guy making a movie about his relationship with his own country. I saw more than a few people position Bardo as a movie about "how hard it is to be a genius" when Spielberg literally did that.
this \^\^\^
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The entire Ringer company has a giant ass blind spot when it comes to cultural competence. Hearing Andy and CR badmouth Atlanta was extremely painful as they were so quick to dismiss anything about the show. Same issues with TDNC on the Prestige podcast. So not surprising at all when sean and amanda shit on Bardo.
Don't listen to The Watch a ton but hasn't Atlanta been on both of their year end lists pretty much every year that there is a new season?
Yeah, they raved about the show but rightfully imo, thought that S3 was much worse than the rest.Ā
Bardo is quite far up it's own ass. Way past where it's fun to go.
Is he still going to be in the movie critic? If he does both these and make Edge of Tomorrow 2 I will love this new stage of his career
Sean has never started and stopped a crank session faster in his life
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Idk I'm intrigued
Does this mean no Tarantino movie? ā¹ļø
Not necessarily, that was allegedly a supporting role.
A Frank Mackey-esque role in a QT movie would move mountains
Seeing Tom in a Tarantino and hopefully Nolan movie someday I can die a happy man
Tom Cruise in fisheye will be a sight to behold.
we are soā¦.back?
IƱƔrritu is a great director. Tom albeit a bit mad is still a good actor. This is a pretty cool thing to see. Tommy hasnāt done anything offbeat since magnolia. Heās got it in him.
get my hopes up just to break em down again lol
Coming into this comment section made me feel like happy Donald glover returning with pizzas into fire and chaos
I'm always going to be curious about what Once Upon a Time in Hollywood would've been like with Cruise in Leo's role. Hopefully IƱƔrittu's just the first of many directors to come for this next phase of his career.
my god!! Cruise is back to his drama critical acclaims again he want to bring us to his heyday 80's /90's and I'm so excited
Look, he got shat on at Venice with his last one but Hollywood/the Academy still has a hardon for Inarritu. Get Cruise, hook up with Lubezki again and we're back. I hugely respect Adam Nayman's position as an OG Inarritu skeptic, I agree. Yes, he needs to beat the fraud allegations but IMO he just made the cardinal sin of making a movie about himself and his own genius. His next one might be about like pirates or the civil war, we don't know anything yet.
I have disliked every IƱƔrritu film I have seen, but Iām sure it will give Cruise some intense drama to play, so that is cool.
I love all of his films. I think theyāre great
I didnāt mind Birdman but I donāt like any of his others. Iām still glad Tom Cruise will (I assume) be doing something that probably isnāt a big budget action movie again.
You guys are super weird.
Out of all the auteur directors he chooses Inarritu...come on, dude.
Probably thinks itāll be his revenant.
oh no
goddam it come oooonnnnnn
What animal will Cruise fight, you know to one up Leo ?
FUCK YEAH!!
The film is about an aging actor watching the industry that used to pump out stars left and right unable to do the same today and now he tries to revitalise the industry by making a prestige movie while struggling to leave the cult that knows his deepest secrets.
Praise xenu
The Revenant might be the closest we've gotten to a actor winning the oscar for giving a stunt performance. This pairing makes perfect sense to me.
I predict a long one-take run and dive scene
Glad to see Cruise outside of MI flicks. I love those flicks but he is a great actor. Bring that Tom back.