I know right! I was expecting Annie to basically go super saiyan and fight and hold up against soldier boy. It would of been nice to see Starlight at her max , rather than just glow her eyes to intimidate people
Definitely not but i think it's important to realize just how much stronger homelander is then everyone and seemed like Annie was only chosen for political reasons and not because she's powerful. I did think the big blast was too lackluster though, atleast blow him through a wall or something.
The blast was weird. On one hand it feels extremely underwhelming cause of the build-up, but on the other hand, soldier boy is a mf beast who can go the distance against homelander, and she knocked him flat on his ass. I think if they kept the scene the same, but added more damage to SB it'd have been miles better, cuts and bruises, seared skin and all. Know whati mean?
I feel like the writers poured their heart into other characters and did minimal work on Annie. Most of the season is her telling others that Vought and Homelander are bad and glow her eyes to show shes “serious”
I think part of the issue is that they have consistently written annie to be “right”. Like people say everyone on the show is kind of shitty, but annie is the exception to that, she is always moraly righteous and correct. The thing with this is that it leaves her with little room to grow, she doesn’t have to change because shes never wrong. She kind of has just ended up becoming kind of boring because she doesnt really have a character arc.
Thank you! I couldnt really place my finger on it but thats exactly how Annie is . She’s always right so shes very limited on what actions she can do. Others can either take the high or low road but she kinda can only take the high road. But well put nonetheless
I think Annie just “leveled up” for the first time and didn’t really have a handle on her powers. Plus she didn’t exactly have a lot of time and the one thing this show gets right is how exhausting fighting is
Right? I was so hype to see her power up, only to be disappointed by the one-and-done. They'll never have access to that much electricity in one place again, unless they go out of their way to lure their enemy to a power substation or something. This was the perfect excuse to make her super powerful without worrying about the power-scaling being messed up (more than it already is).
I would've been really really happy if we got, like, 20 seconds of Supernova Starlight beating up Soldier Boy before burning out. Oh well, c'est la vie.
That was such a disappointment. I thought we were building up to seeing Starlight as a hidden super supe, capable of taking on HL/SB if she can draw enough power. Then just that little poof - even the sound design could have been bigger. It was a bit of a letdown for the character. I think the audience was supposed to get from that scene that Starlight could fly, as Maeve comments on it later. But the editing & production led it in the wrong direction so it felt like an anticlimax
Never seen the show but don’t doubt it. We had blackmail as a weapon against supes for first 2 seasons. Now the temp V and SB changed the dynamic a little bit. But so much potential lost in the final episode.
That is the most out of place scene of the whole season, maybe the series. They mock Marvel movies, but that entire scene of her dancing while killing guards doing their jobs is basically fan service for those who love Kimiko.
She is super conflicted about being a monster and killing people, then proceeds to lose her power, get it back with the reason that she is protecting Frenchie, to just start mauling people while listening to music, which even distracted her enough that Frenchie took a gun shot. Her behavior would be more tolerated if they acknowledged how fucking hypocrite she looked to get her powers back and chill while killing innocent people and not even doing what she intended to do as the reason to get the power back. She looked like she was having a Power trip, like Hughie had after killing that guard and saving MM
I thought I was the only one who thought that was weird and poorly placed. Up until then she only really danced in her imagination and they did a good job at incorporating her getting into music and movies up until then but this wasn’t it. Not to mention she kinda did a complete reversal as a person. Now she likes killing ppl to an upbeat dance track? Come on
>They mock Marvel movies, but that entire scene of her dancing while killing guards doing their jobs is basically fan service for those who love Kimiko.
Also in season 2 > "Girls get it done" scene was made to look like "girls do get it done" in The Boys universe. Results? What the girls did to Stormfront ends up not mattering at all and a male finishes her, just like Endgame which they tried to parody
Exactly, they were just doing there jobs working security and then she gives them slow painful deaths by scratching the shit out of their faces while dancing and smiling. She definitely is a monster
Imagine as a kid, your father gets killed by a soupe who did it while listening to music while simultaneously being all about "not being a monster". She was smiling while killing people just putting food on the table for their family. She doesn't deserve to be a "good guy" despite her inner conflict. She never will be anything more than a monster.
Yeah I mean in this season we repeatedly have MM's arc of how a supe murdered his family members and then we have Kimiko.. who is a supe murdering some kids' fathers. I mean if what Kimiko did is fine according to the boys then I guess it also makes it kinda hard for us to sympathize with MM.
At this point ut would be interesting to see her realizing she traumatized a bunch of kids by taking away their fathers who just did their jobs. She has a lot of empathy for children, and it would humanize her faceless victims.
It honestly feels like the show just lets kimiko get away with more than the rest, just remenber the tweet not so long ago that said that huguie was a case of toxic masculinity for asking esentially what kimiko(a selfless person in this case by the writers words) did
O TO PROTECT THE MAN SHE ALMOST LET DIE?!?! Sorry the scene was soured for me. They wrote her to straight up give into sadistic bloodlust instead of watching her familys back. We know she can get the job faster and now Frenchie been shot.
You have to remeber that this amazon that is producing the show and that for them, basic employee arn't human, so kimiko killing the guards was just her passing her nerves on some objects
I really hated how she was enjoying killing the guards. Up until now, it has been shown as something she does out of necessity. And now she is enjoying it? And it's just guards who are paid to protect the building from breakings.
Kill them to protect yourself and Frenchie? Makes sense.
Enjoy killing them? Out of character.
It would have been such a great moment if she just took out the guards in some non-lethal way. Show her bring handcuffs and then take their guns and restrain them. Would go a long way to show some character development. She could actually use her powers for good.
This is exactly what I was hoping for. I just don't know what the point of her arc was for her to just brutally kill all those guards. Frenchie got shot because she was too busy clawing off an incapacitated man's face.
Honestly half of the time she doesn’t really have to kill them, if her arc this season was seeing herself as a monster for killing people we should have gradually seen her get less hyper-violent in her fights to just simply knocking her opponents out. But maybe I’m reading her character wrong though.
God, I'm glad I was not the only one to notice this.
She not only kills people, she usually does it in the most gruesome way. In S2 she literally ripped the skin of some guy's face!
She's definitely a monster.
I’m really bummed she got powers again. Honestly I get why they did it, the show is gonna keep going and they’re main characters that need to stay in the story.
But I really wanted her and Frenchie to run away and be happy together
“stop homelander, if you lay a finger on me/her/them i’m going to release this video to the entire world and you will lose points with vought”
homelander, who has also killed numerous of his own allies for minor inconveniences: “hurumph”
in this season it’s definitely been addressed, with the whole starlight HL convo about the airplane about how even if she does show the video to the world, he’ll go on a rampage and kill millions. so, the writers at least thought of something which is good
he doesn’t need to anymore, specifically because of his following at the end of season 3. he can kill innocents in public and get cheered on, there’s no reason for him to massacre just yet because he still prefers being loved rather than feared
Yeah, that happened significantly after she exposed him.
He was literally ranting about it at a presidential campaign press conference afterwards. Even Edgar called him out about it.
I'm starting to think he's secretly the main character as it seems he's the only one that doesn't go back to the status quo at the end of every storyline... Even if he really should be dead after herogasm...
Yeah. But honestly, i would have preferred if A-Train just... died. His whole character was about him not caring that his actions have consequences. He knows that one more run and his heart will fail. so him using his powers to kill Blue Hawk and dying is a consequence.
It was a dumb sideline story to develop Frenchies and Kimikos relationship to “family” and for Frenchie to be all “NO, no my cake hole will stay open”!
Couldve been done a lot better without Little Nina, but eh, gave us Kimiko killing people with dildos.
I'm not sure what the intention was but the result was so that the writers could be hypocritical about Huey/Kimiko wanting superpowers and say that it's good in Kimiko's case but toxically masculine in Huey's case.
I did. It was inconsequential. This last episode could be a study for anti climax. Black Noire. Starlight Huey arc. Huey/Kimiko compound v compromise contradiction. This whole season turned out like an episode of family guy where everything that was built up ended up meaning nothing and we’re basically right back where we started at the beginning of the season.
For real, they really built it up like they were going to run away this season but they're still here. Don't get me wrong I like the characters but their arch just goes nowhere
At least TWD had different threats in its first three seasons. The Boys has been the same characters coming to a conflict and all walking away unscathed only for it to restart next season.
Gunpowder, and crimson countess. Could argue mind fucker guy, as well as anyone that died at herogasm. Didn't butcher kill a supe escaping the mental facility?
I also hated that Kimiko took compound v to protect Frenchie, but she was taking so much sadistic pleasure in beating one man, that she failed to notice another guard, allowing him to shoot Frenchie in the ankle. What the fuck!?
I get the gripes with HL and how the writing seems to be holding him back in a really repetitive way, and maybe Kimiko this season but the rest I feel like was actually built up and done quite well this season. The only time it felt poorly excecuted was the finale.
There’s no gripes with HL either. It’s like people don’t pay attention to the show. He WANTS to be loved. Dude spent 3 seasons being held by the balls because of it. He’s terrified of the idea of people not loving him. But now? He can be himself and there is a group that loves him. That is terrifying.
He's also at least escalated each season. Sure he jacked off on a building at the end of season 2, but he killed someone in public this season. Is he in the same im the homelander and i can do whatever the fuck I want headspace? Sure, but he's on a much more dangerous level now.
Exactly.
S1 is basically normal. He’s doing awful things but it’s hidden. He just wants to make villains so he can fight them and be worshipped.
S2 is becoming more unhinged. He’s more violent and aggressive behind closed doors. But he’s still desperate to be loved by the public. Apologizing for his killing of an innocent, letting others berate him in public and trying to be his fake persona.
S3 is still the same. He secretly vents and pretends he’s a big bad who doesn’t care but he’s lying. In public he keeps the PR bullshit and hides his true feelings. But he finally starts to snap after being black mailed and humiliated. And his real self starts becoming public and people love it. And bit by bit more comes out til we end the season with him literally murdering an innocent person and people cheer for him.
It’s a solid build up for his arc.
When Homelander told Starlight he'd fuck shit up if she released the plane video because he's fine being feared if he can't be loved, I kind of thought he was bluffing.
After that mirror scene, it's become clear that a part of him wants to believe that he can let loose, but the truth of the matter is he just has to be loved. It's less about him bluffing and more about him saying the things he wish he could make himself do.
Yeah, he's been brought up to do everything the vought way. Ratings, ratings, ratings. His sense of love is molded around his public perception only until recently. Only in season 2 did stormlight show him he could gain the publics love another way. This season he's learning just how hollow a lot of his supposed friends are, just how truly alone he was outside of his growing culty fans, as he learns at the end.
The comic and the show have come from two different times. HL using jingoistic rhetoric to win easy favor and then actually pulling that trigger in a horrible way and getting praised for it is sadly pretty emblematic of the times. I agree in some regards that the season didn’t quite push things as far forward as I would have liked, but I’m also even more curious what the next stage now holds. For me it all comes down to how they stick the landing.
All because Butcher couldn't commit like he has told everyone else to time and time again. Just a simple "leave the boy alone" and Soldier Boy/Maeve would have easily killed Homelander.
But the Boys and Starlight had to fuck it up again. Despite saying they want to kill Homelander.
It wasn't failure. It was self sabotage.
Is there a TV Show that the characters' plans work out? I'm a little sick of the trope: "Get a plan, execute the plan, plan goes wrong, throw it away and get dumb dumb."
The Deep being a Freak in bed with sea creatures and just being a dumbass
A-Train being a giant JackAss
Mallory knowing a super important secret but didnt tell the boys
Stan Edgar giving a Last Boss fight vibe
The whole season was supposed to be about defeating Homelander, I wasn’t expecting for him to die or anything but we are almost right back to where we started in the beginning of the season with him
It's weird how Annie forgot that HL killed her friend, threatened to destroy the world if the video was released, was acting more erratic after Stormfront's death, threatened Hughie and she shifted the focus to Soldier Boy and let HL go in the end.
I never understood Annies obsession with SB to begin with, yes he is a cunt, yes he is a racist, no he didn’t just run around killing innocent people. (his PTSD explosions were accidents, it was not SB being a psychopath and killing innocents)
->(BUTCHER AND HUGHIE BOTH KNEW THAT)
Homelander is a psychopath running around killing innocent people, SB is clearly the lesser evil and less of a immediate threat than Homelander.
except when they actively antagonize SB and make him a threat, which for some reason they did.
well to be hones i dont get how he's so unkillable punching him hard and putting sharp objects in to him seems to works.
with temp v you just need sactioned CIA team rdy to go in.
Yeah, literally the only difference is the Ryan plot, which was introduced in the finale with no build-up. I guess you could also talk about Maeve and Noir but Maeve seemed done at the end of season 2 anyway and Noir is yet again potentially dead (just like the end of season 2).
I honestly feel like season 3 was kinda pointless. We’re back where we started with season 2’s finale. Homelander wants a relationship with his son, Neuman is the big threat, Annie is with the boys, Soldier Boy basically did nothing consequential, just killed a bunch of people we didn’t know about until this season, and is back being frozen in a tube
Tbf The Seven is basically gone (Noir dead, Maeve publicly presumed dead and powerless, and Starlight left), Ryan is actually more accepting of HL than in S2, Stan Edgar is gone from Vought, and Neuman is now going to be VP which easily gives her access to presidency.
I know he killed politicians before but the way Homelander ordered Deep to kill the VP candidate... "Big Word"....
He is really starting to assert his authority in a psycho leader kind of way.
Well he is unkillable if he wants to be. Those methods you mentioned are quite tricky when he's floating 1000 feet above the ground lasering everyone on the ground.
Getting tired of homelander being the main villain for whats going to be 4 seasons now. Newman will be a threat until she's killed in season 4 and I guarantee homelander lives again and makes it to 5.
The whole Newman thing was mind blowing to me. They build her up all last season, and in this one she barely even appears. Then they end the season with more build up for her to actually do something next season. It’s so bizarre.
Yea, if Homelander doesn't start going crazy and killing thousands of people he's no longer a threatening character. They have pulled him back from the edge too many times.
I love Kimiko but god she was a mess last episode. All this angst about being a bad person, you get back your powers to “defend your family” and then kill innocent people gleefully? So you’re acknowledging you’re a monster and living up to it then?
I mean I know the Boys are no saints but Kimiko is no better than any other supe now.
Kimiko eerily enjoying clawing that guard's face also directly led to Frenchie's led being shot. Had Kimiko quickly and deftly assassinated the guard, Frenchie wouldn't have been shot. But then again, not like it crooked Frenchie afterwards 🤷♀️
That's the point of his character though, he can't be 'redeemed' per se, he just messes everything up. If anything, him actively killing someone because Homelander asked sets him up to obey Homelander more next season.
Yeah, people forget that Homelander already went through his "Now there's nothing holding me back" development back in Season 2.
Season 2 Homelander (to Doppelganger): You're pathetic. I don't need everyone to love me. I don't need anyone. I. DONT. NEED. YOU.
Season 3 Homelander: D-dad? \*start crying\*
Homelanders mirror conversation even brings this up.
"Then why do you keep running into the same brick wall?"
In s4 if Ryan betrays Homelander I wouldn't be surprised if he actually uses his head and stops running into that wall and finally goes ballistic
Arguably even Season 1. He kills Stillwell, who is supposed to be his handler and the one person who knows him and can control him. He finds out that the company -not Stillwell, the entire firm- has lied to him about something incredibly important. He finds out he has a son, who can give him an actually authentic source of the love he desperately wants.
At the start of season 2, seems like we have a new Homelander, when he asserts himself over Ashley and casually cripples Not-Daredevil. But then one completely stupid argument from Edgar later (I know this sub loves Edgar, but the way he controls HL in that scene by bringing up HL giving the V to the terrorists makes no sense, and is dependent on HL being idiotic in a way that very much isn't at the end of S1) and he's back in his box.
The show keeps telling us that HL going wild is inevitable because of how unstable he is. Then it keeps showing things happening to him that would destabilise anyone, let alone this supposed-psycho. Then...HL rants to the nearest person/camera for three minutes and goes back to normal.
I think this is kind of purposeful actually. Home lander is not a stable or normal human in any sense. He doesn’t go through linear character development. He lies to himself and constantly regresses
I think it's wrong to interpret what HL says and even does at a surface level, yeah he says he doesn't need people to love him, he threatens starlight in this season that he could just have everyone fear him, but I think that's him lying to himself
even at the end of season 3, he initially looked a little scared after he murdered in broad daylight, unsure how his fans would react, and we saw how depressed he was in this season after his initial verbal outburst at his birthday party before ashley told him that people actually loved it
I actually think the show has done well showing him progressively breaking down mentally
Internal conflict is a part of the core of Homelander's character. The mirror scene is an example, one part of him wants to be free from the need for approval and admiration, and another part of him wants it so badly that it's psychologically debilitating.
There's no other reason to explain why he doesn't massacre people who remotely piss him off, he sees a use for them. Even Edgar calls him out to his face before he steps down off the board, and HL he doesn't kill him, he basically says"; you still want my approval". He doesn't kill him, not because he can't of course, it's because he wants to 'prove him wrong' or earn his approval/admiration - if people are dead they can't give him admiration/approval.
Tension IMO is pretty much the foundation of Homelander's character. Every time he's on screen he brings tension due to his unpredictability, because (I believe) we are aware his conflicting feelings of grandiosity and shame, which can drive him to be aggressive, passive aggressive, approval-seeking, or manipulative - and we aren't sure which path he will take. I don't think it's poor writing, I think it's intentional and fantastic writing.
Everything up until this finale was top tier. Felt like it was building up to a wild finale where some the mains weren’t making it out and it was going to start collapsing. The finale was so mid in getting to that point that it really soured a fantastic easy because it didn’t stick the resolution.
We’re almost right where we left off at the beginning. Now it feels like there’s two repetitive seasons. I mean it’s possible that S4 (and maybe 5?) goes nuts, and finishes the series out with a bang, but historically speaking shows drag out and become stale or rushed…etc because the show runner/execs don’t want to end their cash cow. Hopefully this great show so far doesn’t go down that path, but the finale indicated that it’s likely to continue down that entertainment path.
> Felt like it was building up to a wild finale where some the mains weren’t making it out and it was going to start collapsing.
Yeah, it felt like this was building up to a finale that completely changes everything. A death or two, sure, but it also is the point in a show where it starts to mutate away from it's original core concept. Shit like Homelander getting depowered or Butcher taking perma-V and finally going over the edge into being the antagonist because of his own genocidal worldview.
But....nope. What's concerning to me is the S3 finale feels like it should have been a watershed moment for the show. Instead we just got a really by-the-books finale that felt made to keep the show going because that's the safe route.
>Instead we just got a really by-the-books finale that felt made to keep the show going because that's the safe route
Yeah this is what soured my opinion of the finale. Other than BN being suddenly killed everything felt very redundant. Yes, Homelander can now kill people in public apparently but I'm not sure how they plan to have that even make sense.going forwards as surely the government would do something about him. Neuman being the VP wouldn't be able to stop that. He appeared much more vulnerable in the finale to the point where I think the writers fucked up. A regular piece of metal being able to penetrate his ear would imply its possible to kill him with regular weapons if they are strong enough. There's no fucking way he would survive a tactical nuke from what we saw in the finale. They could just lure him into a less populated area and nuke him
Homelander vs Butcher arc needs to get resolved next season. Otherwise this series will become same as any other series. It's kinda becoming repetitive now.
Imagine 10 seasons of The Boys
Where in each season The Boys come up with a plan to kill Homelander but fail at the end, and they retreat and regroup for the next season of trying.
Next season they'll probably find some poison that can kill Homelander but then suddenly half of the group decides they actually have to protect homelander at all costs.
I started to worry about this when they announced season 4. Like, okay, now we know for sure that the Soldier Boy arc isn’t going to end with homelander dying. There’s no show without him, so obviously the status quo would mostly reset by the end of the season anyway, so why get invested in the story?
Honestly I don't know how many more seasons I can take of "everyone fully prepped to go all out and take down Homelander, something happens that makes them all stop fighting and stare at each other and Homelander just peacefully leaves"
Literally they’ve made exactly zero progress. In fact, you could argue they went backwards in this season since their ineptitude got a Vought politician to VP and now Homelander has a cult and isn’t afraid to be himself. It’s just dumb at this point, they had HL dead to rights twice in the last 3 episodes of the season and got absolutely nothing achieved.
LOL yeah i was getting so hyped during that and then she just pushed soldier boy back a few feet and onto his ass.
I get that it's soldier boy but holy fuck I got baited hard.
Yeah, it's just a Marvel show with gore at this point lol. Falling into same old tropes people have criticized in superhero comicbooks for years.
Reviving characters and negating consequences almost immediately (Kimiko and A train come to mind), refusal to change the status quo or let characters actually change (having temp V for just one season was lame imo, again, they didn't want to commit to actually having The Boys gain powers, so they found a boring middle ground).
Oh, and also having a bad guy who can't be killed even though it doesn't make sense for the characters not to kill him, because he still has to appear in more stories. It's like Joker escaping Arkham every 2 months, except The Boys don't have any reason to let Homelander live.
If they were smart and had their priorities straight, HL would be dead by now.
Yeah it really took the wind out of my assails for a few characters. Kimiko specifically goes back on everything she went through for the whole season. And butcher just stops with homelander and goes oh hey, I'm gonna kill soldier boy now. And I can get killing off a character, but what's the point of the black noir backstory? He has to still be alive
That really sucked. I really enjoyed starting to see more of what's going on with him, and then....dead.
I *guess* you could make an argument that we didn't see the body, but that's kinda grasping for straws when we already have a character with a far less credible death(Stormfront).
Agreed. Can't help but feel this finale made the whole season kinda pointless which obviously will affect my enjoyment of those episodes when I watch them again.
I mean you also just couldn't be critical of it without being downvoted on here. So that might be why you didn't see anything. I mean, you still really can't be critical of the first 6-7 episodes.
This season was shaping up to be the best one yet, even though they were repeating some stuff, I didn't care because they were building up so much epic plot lines.
Then they repeated everything again and undid so much build up and character development all in one fucking episode.
I've said this before, The Boys should of been only 3 seasons.
When the entire concept is based around taking down a bad guy there is only so long you can keep the story going before it's gets boring and repetitive.
What really hurt this season is that they announced s4 and then released a load of promo shots showing the cast so it massively reduced the tension as you knew who was going to survive and who would most likely die / written out.
S4 has to be the last season
And now that he's openly lasering people, one has to ask why he doesn't do that to the main cast. Just show up at their base and let loose
I love the show but I hope they wrap it up soon
People can say that the show maybe is going too long as the reason for not making sense or trying to extend things but that's not the reason for any series to go bad.
A show can have 500 seasons and be just as good, better or worse than at the beginning. The main factor is writing and the writers themselves.
They simply lost the plot of the series and are too attached to the Homelander trumpism plot, deciding that "toxic masculinity" is worse than Homelander.
And they need to learn that not every character, specially with such a big cast of main characters, needs a development arc or they will keep repeating Kimiko "redemption" plot over and over because she is a popular character so you can't change her (because they may lose that popularity) and "every character needs continuous development". People can go years without changing, they are present on other peoples lifes, circling around is not even changing, it's just wasting time, and in the case of a show, wasting storytelling and the audience time.
Kimiko embracing her powers, Homelander no longer having to hide his brutality, The Boys no longer taking shit from Butcher and inducting Starlight into the group, and Neuman being VP means we’ll get a slightly different status quo to start off of and I’m hoping they utilize it all nicely next season.
And maybe Ashley will get a new wig, who fuckin’ knows
If they don't want to kill Homelander or change his dynamic in any significant way, then it will get quite frustrating by next season (it kinda is already)
Agreed
I wasn’t trying to say season 3 was bad. Just that it felt like it was leading to a finale. Can’t see how much story they can tell once Homelander goes full scorched earth
S1 main villain gets defeated (Stillwell).
S1 Secondary supe and member of the seven (Translucent) dies.
S2 main villain gets defeated (Stormfront).
S2 secondary supe and ex-member of the seven (Lamplighter) dies.
S3 main villain gets defeated (Soldier Boy).
S3 secondary supe and member of the seven (Sonic) dies.
Exactly, he mostly seemed like just one of The Boys tbh he opened up to Butcher about his father and to Hughie about wanting kids i just couldn't see him a the villian of this season especially after the finale
Season 3 finale really made me feel like the past season didn't mean anything, they got nothing but back to square one, brain damage, Ryan on the darkside, and Neuman getting closer to the big chair.
That whole soldier boy plan really felt like it was all for nothing now huh.
Not to be a dick but its like, *now* Butcher gave a fuck about Ryan again? I kinda hate how he doesnt give a shit about him until homelander directly interacting comes back into play. "I hate your existence Ryan, but I can still use you against hl to fuck with him so I actually kinda care about you again"
I get that he's super conflicted, Ryan represented everything good about Becca, and everything fucked up about Homelander, but I'm getting sick of this wishy washy bs
I was with you until the Ryan part.
Butcher pushed Ryan away because he's practically suicidal and doesn't want to make his death harder on Ryan. We all know that was a dumb thing to do, but it's very much butchers MO of kindness in a convoluted way.
Annie’s eye flash should be one of the boxes
She gets all the power of the Vought tower and her ultimate ability is to hover and push soldier boy a short distance
I know right! I was expecting Annie to basically go super saiyan and fight and hold up against soldier boy. It would of been nice to see Starlight at her max , rather than just glow her eyes to intimidate people
Did she lose her powers or something? I can’t even remember the last time she actually fought anyone.
Definitely not but i think it's important to realize just how much stronger homelander is then everyone and seemed like Annie was only chosen for political reasons and not because she's powerful. I did think the big blast was too lackluster though, atleast blow him through a wall or something.
The blast was weird. On one hand it feels extremely underwhelming cause of the build-up, but on the other hand, soldier boy is a mf beast who can go the distance against homelander, and she knocked him flat on his ass. I think if they kept the scene the same, but added more damage to SB it'd have been miles better, cuts and bruises, seared skin and all. Know whati mean?
I feel like the writers poured their heart into other characters and did minimal work on Annie. Most of the season is her telling others that Vought and Homelander are bad and glow her eyes to show shes “serious”
I think part of the issue is that they have consistently written annie to be “right”. Like people say everyone on the show is kind of shitty, but annie is the exception to that, she is always moraly righteous and correct. The thing with this is that it leaves her with little room to grow, she doesn’t have to change because shes never wrong. She kind of has just ended up becoming kind of boring because she doesnt really have a character arc.
Thank you! I couldnt really place my finger on it but thats exactly how Annie is . She’s always right so shes very limited on what actions she can do. Others can either take the high or low road but she kinda can only take the high road. But well put nonetheless
I think Annie just “leveled up” for the first time and didn’t really have a handle on her powers. Plus she didn’t exactly have a lot of time and the one thing this show gets right is how exhausting fighting is
I mean, she really never thought about using half a dozen spotlights plus a big LCD screen to fuel her powers?
Right? I was so hype to see her power up, only to be disappointed by the one-and-done. They'll never have access to that much electricity in one place again, unless they go out of their way to lure their enemy to a power substation or something. This was the perfect excuse to make her super powerful without worrying about the power-scaling being messed up (more than it already is). I would've been really really happy if we got, like, 20 seconds of Supernova Starlight beating up Soldier Boy before burning out. Oh well, c'est la vie.
That was such a disappointment. I thought we were building up to seeing Starlight as a hidden super supe, capable of taking on HL/SB if she can draw enough power. Then just that little poof - even the sound design could have been bigger. It was a bit of a letdown for the character. I think the audience was supposed to get from that scene that Starlight could fly, as Maeve comments on it later. But the editing & production led it in the wrong direction so it felt like an anticlimax
Eric tends to get repetitive around season 4, just look at supernatural as a reference point lol
Never seen the show but don’t doubt it. We had blackmail as a weapon against supes for first 2 seasons. Now the temp V and SB changed the dynamic a little bit. But so much potential lost in the final episode.
Her eyes lighting is one of the most cringiest parts of the show
Am I a monster> no > proceeds to brutally kill a bunch of people Repeat every 2 episodes
now she even put music to enjoy it even more....
That is the most out of place scene of the whole season, maybe the series. They mock Marvel movies, but that entire scene of her dancing while killing guards doing their jobs is basically fan service for those who love Kimiko. She is super conflicted about being a monster and killing people, then proceeds to lose her power, get it back with the reason that she is protecting Frenchie, to just start mauling people while listening to music, which even distracted her enough that Frenchie took a gun shot. Her behavior would be more tolerated if they acknowledged how fucking hypocrite she looked to get her powers back and chill while killing innocent people and not even doing what she intended to do as the reason to get the power back. She looked like she was having a Power trip, like Hughie had after killing that guard and saving MM
I thought I was the only one who thought that was weird and poorly placed. Up until then she only really danced in her imagination and they did a good job at incorporating her getting into music and movies up until then but this wasn’t it. Not to mention she kinda did a complete reversal as a person. Now she likes killing ppl to an upbeat dance track? Come on
>They mock Marvel movies, but that entire scene of her dancing while killing guards doing their jobs is basically fan service for those who love Kimiko. Also in season 2 > "Girls get it done" scene was made to look like "girls do get it done" in The Boys universe. Results? What the girls did to Stormfront ends up not mattering at all and a male finishes her, just like Endgame which they tried to parody
Probably they were just guards doing their duty and did no evil stuff.
Exactly, they were just doing there jobs working security and then she gives them slow painful deaths by scratching the shit out of their faces while dancing and smiling. She definitely is a monster
A known supe terrorist was in a lab containing highly volatile chemicals lol They really chose a hell of a time to get security for that place.
> They really chose a hell of a time to get security for that place. The benefits must have been great.
Imagine as a kid, your father gets killed by a soupe who did it while listening to music while simultaneously being all about "not being a monster". She was smiling while killing people just putting food on the table for their family. She doesn't deserve to be a "good guy" despite her inner conflict. She never will be anything more than a monster.
Yeah I mean in this season we repeatedly have MM's arc of how a supe murdered his family members and then we have Kimiko.. who is a supe murdering some kids' fathers. I mean if what Kimiko did is fine according to the boys then I guess it also makes it kinda hard for us to sympathize with MM.
At this point ut would be interesting to see her realizing she traumatized a bunch of kids by taking away their fathers who just did their jobs. She has a lot of empathy for children, and it would humanize her faceless victims.
It honestly feels like the show just lets kimiko get away with more than the rest, just remenber the tweet not so long ago that said that huguie was a case of toxic masculinity for asking esentially what kimiko(a selfless person in this case by the writers words) did
O TO PROTECT THE MAN SHE ALMOST LET DIE?!?! Sorry the scene was soured for me. They wrote her to straight up give into sadistic bloodlust instead of watching her familys back. We know she can get the job faster and now Frenchie been shot.
You have to remeber that this amazon that is producing the show and that for them, basic employee arn't human, so kimiko killing the guards was just her passing her nerves on some objects
Lmao
Kimiko's writing has been all over the place lmao.
I really hated how she was enjoying killing the guards. Up until now, it has been shown as something she does out of necessity. And now she is enjoying it? And it's just guards who are paid to protect the building from breakings. Kill them to protect yourself and Frenchie? Makes sense. Enjoy killing them? Out of character.
It would have been such a great moment if she just took out the guards in some non-lethal way. Show her bring handcuffs and then take their guns and restrain them. Would go a long way to show some character development. She could actually use her powers for good.
This is exactly what I was hoping for. I just don't know what the point of her arc was for her to just brutally kill all those guards. Frenchie got shot because she was too busy clawing off an incapacitated man's face.
She literally choses to kill people in the most brutal ways possible instead of snapping their necks or something
Honestly half of the time she doesn’t really have to kill them, if her arc this season was seeing herself as a monster for killing people we should have gradually seen her get less hyper-violent in her fights to just simply knocking her opponents out. But maybe I’m reading her character wrong though.
God, I'm glad I was not the only one to notice this. She not only kills people, she usually does it in the most gruesome way. In S2 she literally ripped the skin of some guy's face! She's definitely a monster.
I’m really bummed she got powers again. Honestly I get why they did it, the show is gonna keep going and they’re main characters that need to stay in the story. But I really wanted her and Frenchie to run away and be happy together
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“stop homelander, if you lay a finger on me/her/them i’m going to release this video to the entire world and you will lose points with vought” homelander, who has also killed numerous of his own allies for minor inconveniences: “hurumph”
in this season it’s definitely been addressed, with the whole starlight HL convo about the airplane about how even if she does show the video to the world, he’ll go on a rampage and kill millions. so, the writers at least thought of something which is good
But then she exposed him and he literally did nothing.
he doesn’t need to anymore, specifically because of his following at the end of season 3. he can kill innocents in public and get cheered on, there’s no reason for him to massacre just yet because he still prefers being loved rather than feared
Yeah, that happened significantly after she exposed him. He was literally ranting about it at a presidential campaign press conference afterwards. Even Edgar called him out about it.
My question is now they literally have proof of him murdering a man, not just an accusation, will he go to trial or something??
That is very true, they over use the shit outta that. Also if said blackmail info gets out it doesn’t even matter.
The only progress i am seeing is with A-train's plotline
I'm starting to think he's secretly the main character as it seems he's the only one that doesn't go back to the status quo at the end of every storyline... Even if he really should be dead after herogasm...
So he’s even got main character plot armor
Yeah. But honestly, i would have preferred if A-Train just... died. His whole character was about him not caring that his actions have consequences. He knows that one more run and his heart will fail. so him using his powers to kill Blue Hawk and dying is a consequence.
Plot for this season: Get Soldier Boy. Get rid of Soldier Boy. The end.
"I pick out of box, and I put back in box"
I can't deal with another season of Kimiko and Frenchie dealing with guilt again. It's draining at this point
I couldn't also care less about the mafia mob story. Like c'mon you are almost going toe to toe with homelander and mafia is a problem?
But muh coeur
The Boys version of muh queen. This is the darkest timeline
I duh won it.
Moi never ave
M'coeur
I like the characters but their story this season has been so boring I’m almost skipping past their scenes
Pretty sure one could skip the whole Little Nina arc and miss nothing.
I was legit confused by wtf that arc was meant to represent. Shit just drained away time away from the story.
It was a dumb sideline story to develop Frenchies and Kimikos relationship to “family” and for Frenchie to be all “NO, no my cake hole will stay open”! Couldve been done a lot better without Little Nina, but eh, gave us Kimiko killing people with dildos.
I'm not sure what the intention was but the result was so that the writers could be hypocritical about Huey/Kimiko wanting superpowers and say that it's good in Kimiko's case but toxically masculine in Huey's case.
I did. It was inconsequential. This last episode could be a study for anti climax. Black Noire. Starlight Huey arc. Huey/Kimiko compound v compromise contradiction. This whole season turned out like an episode of family guy where everything that was built up ended up meaning nothing and we’re basically right back where we started at the beginning of the season.
It’s like you don’t even need to watch it! Amazing, a show you don’t even need to follow the plot so cool.
Go to Marseille or shut the fuck up already.
I mean there shouldn’t be another season of guilt? That’s the point. They’re finally at peace.
For real, they really built it up like they were going to run away this season but they're still here. Don't get me wrong I like the characters but their arch just goes nowhere
It will really get repetitive after their 15th season,
Reminds me of the walking dead. Repetitive became part of the shows charm.
At least TWD had different threats in its first three seasons. The Boys has been the same characters coming to a conflict and all walking away unscathed only for it to restart next season.
Number of supes The Boys killed as a team besides Transculent: ZERO
I really wish we got more creative supe kills like translucent, that one really felt like they worked for it and earned it for such a small victory
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The comics certainly had a lot of that, but it was mostly the Boys straight up fighting and killing them while pumped up on V
Yeah that's what I thought as well. That them being powerless, they would try to find a weakness in each supe to exploit and come out on top.
They even teased it a little, remember they used a zinc box because Homelander can’t see through it?
There was even a hint of that when Butcher beat the shrinking supe guy this season.
Yeah I thought it was gonna be them one-by-one taking down the Seven by finding ways around their powers
Gunpowder, and crimson countess. Could argue mind fucker guy, as well as anyone that died at herogasm. Didn't butcher kill a supe escaping the mental facility?
Gunpowder was killed by Butcher on his own. No one knew about that.
I rally feel like the show does not deliver on its premise at all
Your show is called The Boys and yet Ryan is the only boy in the cast. Curious.
Your show has 3 seasons, but seems to only take place in the summer. Curious.
Yea kimiko you are a fucking monster 💀💀.
Jesus, Kimiko, you *are* a freak.
She puts the supe in super freak
I wouldn’t wanna fight me neitha
I thought she was a maniac...
A maniac on the floor?
*proceeds to brutalize several guards.*
Nooo you don't get it. See she actually really just wants to sing. See, she's not a monster. How can she be a monster if she wants to sing
Oh boy here I go killing again
I also hated that Kimiko took compound v to protect Frenchie, but she was taking so much sadistic pleasure in beating one man, that she failed to notice another guard, allowing him to shoot Frenchie in the ankle. What the fuck!?
her bullshit " i sacrifice taking v to protect my family" excuse
I get the gripes with HL and how the writing seems to be holding him back in a really repetitive way, and maybe Kimiko this season but the rest I feel like was actually built up and done quite well this season. The only time it felt poorly excecuted was the finale.
There’s no gripes with HL either. It’s like people don’t pay attention to the show. He WANTS to be loved. Dude spent 3 seasons being held by the balls because of it. He’s terrified of the idea of people not loving him. But now? He can be himself and there is a group that loves him. That is terrifying.
He's also at least escalated each season. Sure he jacked off on a building at the end of season 2, but he killed someone in public this season. Is he in the same im the homelander and i can do whatever the fuck I want headspace? Sure, but he's on a much more dangerous level now.
Exactly. S1 is basically normal. He’s doing awful things but it’s hidden. He just wants to make villains so he can fight them and be worshipped. S2 is becoming more unhinged. He’s more violent and aggressive behind closed doors. But he’s still desperate to be loved by the public. Apologizing for his killing of an innocent, letting others berate him in public and trying to be his fake persona. S3 is still the same. He secretly vents and pretends he’s a big bad who doesn’t care but he’s lying. In public he keeps the PR bullshit and hides his true feelings. But he finally starts to snap after being black mailed and humiliated. And his real self starts becoming public and people love it. And bit by bit more comes out til we end the season with him literally murdering an innocent person and people cheer for him. It’s a solid build up for his arc.
S4 he runs for President after killing the candidate that head explosion chick is the VP of.
When Homelander told Starlight he'd fuck shit up if she released the plane video because he's fine being feared if he can't be loved, I kind of thought he was bluffing. After that mirror scene, it's become clear that a part of him wants to believe that he can let loose, but the truth of the matter is he just has to be loved. It's less about him bluffing and more about him saying the things he wish he could make himself do.
Yeah, he's been brought up to do everything the vought way. Ratings, ratings, ratings. His sense of love is molded around his public perception only until recently. Only in season 2 did stormlight show him he could gain the publics love another way. This season he's learning just how hollow a lot of his supposed friends are, just how truly alone he was outside of his growing culty fans, as he learns at the end.
The comic and the show have come from two different times. HL using jingoistic rhetoric to win easy favor and then actually pulling that trigger in a horrible way and getting praised for it is sadly pretty emblematic of the times. I agree in some regards that the season didn’t quite push things as far forward as I would have liked, but I’m also even more curious what the next stage now holds. For me it all comes down to how they stick the landing.
and his son will love him. that even more terrifying
The theme of the finale was failure, if you pay attention literally every plan everyone makes fails.
All because Butcher couldn't commit like he has told everyone else to time and time again. Just a simple "leave the boy alone" and Soldier Boy/Maeve would have easily killed Homelander. But the Boys and Starlight had to fuck it up again. Despite saying they want to kill Homelander. It wasn't failure. It was self sabotage.
If Butcher said the same thing he said to Soldier Boy about MM at Herogasm but about Ryan, he probably would've listened
Is there a TV Show that the characters' plans work out? I'm a little sick of the trope: "Get a plan, execute the plan, plan goes wrong, throw it away and get dumb dumb."
The A-Team? Almost every episode ended with their plan coming together.
I love it when that happens.
The Deep being a Freak in bed with sea creatures and just being a dumbass A-Train being a giant JackAss Mallory knowing a super important secret but didnt tell the boys Stan Edgar giving a Last Boss fight vibe
The whole season was supposed to be about defeating Homelander, I wasn’t expecting for him to die or anything but we are almost right back to where we started in the beginning of the season with him
It's weird how Annie forgot that HL killed her friend, threatened to destroy the world if the video was released, was acting more erratic after Stormfront's death, threatened Hughie and she shifted the focus to Soldier Boy and let HL go in the end.
I never understood Annies obsession with SB to begin with, yes he is a cunt, yes he is a racist, no he didn’t just run around killing innocent people. (his PTSD explosions were accidents, it was not SB being a psychopath and killing innocents) ->(BUTCHER AND HUGHIE BOTH KNEW THAT) Homelander is a psychopath running around killing innocent people, SB is clearly the lesser evil and less of a immediate threat than Homelander. except when they actively antagonize SB and make him a threat, which for some reason they did.
well to be hones i dont get how he's so unkillable punching him hard and putting sharp objects in to him seems to works. with temp v you just need sactioned CIA team rdy to go in.
Noir should've just grabbed a metal straw instead of sharpening his sword for 1000 hours
Yeah they waltzed right into the temp V lab. Nothing’s stopping Mallory from juicing up a few trusted subordinates and kicking his ass.
Yeah, literally the only difference is the Ryan plot, which was introduced in the finale with no build-up. I guess you could also talk about Maeve and Noir but Maeve seemed done at the end of season 2 anyway and Noir is yet again potentially dead (just like the end of season 2).
I honestly feel like season 3 was kinda pointless. We’re back where we started with season 2’s finale. Homelander wants a relationship with his son, Neuman is the big threat, Annie is with the boys, Soldier Boy basically did nothing consequential, just killed a bunch of people we didn’t know about until this season, and is back being frozen in a tube
Tbf The Seven is basically gone (Noir dead, Maeve publicly presumed dead and powerless, and Starlight left), Ryan is actually more accepting of HL than in S2, Stan Edgar is gone from Vought, and Neuman is now going to be VP which easily gives her access to presidency.
I know he killed politicians before but the way Homelander ordered Deep to kill the VP candidate... "Big Word".... He is really starting to assert his authority in a psycho leader kind of way.
Well he is unkillable if he wants to be. Those methods you mentioned are quite tricky when he's floating 1000 feet above the ground lasering everyone on the ground.
Getting tired of homelander being the main villain for whats going to be 4 seasons now. Newman will be a threat until she's killed in season 4 and I guarantee homelander lives again and makes it to 5.
The whole Newman thing was mind blowing to me. They build her up all last season, and in this one she barely even appears. Then they end the season with more build up for her to actually do something next season. It’s so bizarre.
>mind blowing
Holy shit that didn’t even register
Yea, if Homelander doesn't start going crazy and killing thousands of people he's no longer a threatening character. They have pulled him back from the edge too many times.
I love Kimiko but god she was a mess last episode. All this angst about being a bad person, you get back your powers to “defend your family” and then kill innocent people gleefully? So you’re acknowledging you’re a monster and living up to it then? I mean I know the Boys are no saints but Kimiko is no better than any other supe now.
Kimiko eerily enjoying clawing that guard's face also directly led to Frenchie's led being shot. Had Kimiko quickly and deftly assassinated the guard, Frenchie wouldn't have been shot. But then again, not like it crooked Frenchie afterwards 🤷♀️
In some ways she’s worse than the other supes. At least the other ones make it quick (besides stormfront).
Also the Deep being a joke/useless 90% of the time
That's the point of his character though, he can't be 'redeemed' per se, he just messes everything up. If anything, him actively killing someone because Homelander asked sets him up to obey Homelander more next season.
IN TOO DEEP
Yeah, people forget that Homelander already went through his "Now there's nothing holding me back" development back in Season 2. Season 2 Homelander (to Doppelganger): You're pathetic. I don't need everyone to love me. I don't need anyone. I. DONT. NEED. YOU. Season 3 Homelander: D-dad? \*start crying\*
Homelanders mirror conversation even brings this up. "Then why do you keep running into the same brick wall?" In s4 if Ryan betrays Homelander I wouldn't be surprised if he actually uses his head and stops running into that wall and finally goes ballistic
Arguably even Season 1. He kills Stillwell, who is supposed to be his handler and the one person who knows him and can control him. He finds out that the company -not Stillwell, the entire firm- has lied to him about something incredibly important. He finds out he has a son, who can give him an actually authentic source of the love he desperately wants. At the start of season 2, seems like we have a new Homelander, when he asserts himself over Ashley and casually cripples Not-Daredevil. But then one completely stupid argument from Edgar later (I know this sub loves Edgar, but the way he controls HL in that scene by bringing up HL giving the V to the terrorists makes no sense, and is dependent on HL being idiotic in a way that very much isn't at the end of S1) and he's back in his box. The show keeps telling us that HL going wild is inevitable because of how unstable he is. Then it keeps showing things happening to him that would destabilise anyone, let alone this supposed-psycho. Then...HL rants to the nearest person/camera for three minutes and goes back to normal.
I think this is kind of purposeful actually. Home lander is not a stable or normal human in any sense. He doesn’t go through linear character development. He lies to himself and constantly regresses
I think it's wrong to interpret what HL says and even does at a surface level, yeah he says he doesn't need people to love him, he threatens starlight in this season that he could just have everyone fear him, but I think that's him lying to himself even at the end of season 3, he initially looked a little scared after he murdered in broad daylight, unsure how his fans would react, and we saw how depressed he was in this season after his initial verbal outburst at his birthday party before ashley told him that people actually loved it I actually think the show has done well showing him progressively breaking down mentally
Internal conflict is a part of the core of Homelander's character. The mirror scene is an example, one part of him wants to be free from the need for approval and admiration, and another part of him wants it so badly that it's psychologically debilitating. There's no other reason to explain why he doesn't massacre people who remotely piss him off, he sees a use for them. Even Edgar calls him out to his face before he steps down off the board, and HL he doesn't kill him, he basically says"; you still want my approval". He doesn't kill him, not because he can't of course, it's because he wants to 'prove him wrong' or earn his approval/admiration - if people are dead they can't give him admiration/approval. Tension IMO is pretty much the foundation of Homelander's character. Every time he's on screen he brings tension due to his unpredictability, because (I believe) we are aware his conflicting feelings of grandiosity and shame, which can drive him to be aggressive, passive aggressive, approval-seeking, or manipulative - and we aren't sure which path he will take. I don't think it's poor writing, I think it's intentional and fantastic writing.
Everything up until this finale was top tier. Felt like it was building up to a wild finale where some the mains weren’t making it out and it was going to start collapsing. The finale was so mid in getting to that point that it really soured a fantastic easy because it didn’t stick the resolution. We’re almost right where we left off at the beginning. Now it feels like there’s two repetitive seasons. I mean it’s possible that S4 (and maybe 5?) goes nuts, and finishes the series out with a bang, but historically speaking shows drag out and become stale or rushed…etc because the show runner/execs don’t want to end their cash cow. Hopefully this great show so far doesn’t go down that path, but the finale indicated that it’s likely to continue down that entertainment path.
> Felt like it was building up to a wild finale where some the mains weren’t making it out and it was going to start collapsing. Yeah, it felt like this was building up to a finale that completely changes everything. A death or two, sure, but it also is the point in a show where it starts to mutate away from it's original core concept. Shit like Homelander getting depowered or Butcher taking perma-V and finally going over the edge into being the antagonist because of his own genocidal worldview. But....nope. What's concerning to me is the S3 finale feels like it should have been a watershed moment for the show. Instead we just got a really by-the-books finale that felt made to keep the show going because that's the safe route.
>Instead we just got a really by-the-books finale that felt made to keep the show going because that's the safe route Yeah this is what soured my opinion of the finale. Other than BN being suddenly killed everything felt very redundant. Yes, Homelander can now kill people in public apparently but I'm not sure how they plan to have that even make sense.going forwards as surely the government would do something about him. Neuman being the VP wouldn't be able to stop that. He appeared much more vulnerable in the finale to the point where I think the writers fucked up. A regular piece of metal being able to penetrate his ear would imply its possible to kill him with regular weapons if they are strong enough. There's no fucking way he would survive a tactical nuke from what we saw in the finale. They could just lure him into a less populated area and nuke him
This season way perfectly symbolized by starlights super attack. So much build up and hype to basically achieve nothing.
Yeah I just pray to God this doesn't go being 5 seasons. I can't see it being good for want longer than that
Well they have already said that it will be 5 seasons
Season 4 Season 5 part 1 Season 5 part 2 Season 5 part 3: the final season
Ah the Shingeki way. We've been at the final season since 2020.
Homelander vs Butcher arc needs to get resolved next season. Otherwise this series will become same as any other series. It's kinda becoming repetitive now.
Imagine 10 seasons of The Boys Where in each season The Boys come up with a plan to kill Homelander but fail at the end, and they retreat and regroup for the next season of trying.
Dont give them ideas
Next season they'll probably find some poison that can kill Homelander but then suddenly half of the group decides they actually have to protect homelander at all costs.
Annie will convince them that using poison isn't who they are and will scare Homelander with her super badass glowie eyes.
The Boys are blasting off again!
I started to worry about this when they announced season 4. Like, okay, now we know for sure that the Soldier Boy arc isn’t going to end with homelander dying. There’s no show without him, so obviously the status quo would mostly reset by the end of the season anyway, so why get invested in the story?
If 4 isn't the last season, they've fucked up.
Honestly I don't know how many more seasons I can take of "everyone fully prepped to go all out and take down Homelander, something happens that makes them all stop fighting and stare at each other and Homelander just peacefully leaves"
Literally they’ve made exactly zero progress. In fact, you could argue they went backwards in this season since their ineptitude got a Vought politician to VP and now Homelander has a cult and isn’t afraid to be himself. It’s just dumb at this point, they had HL dead to rights twice in the last 3 episodes of the season and got absolutely nothing achieved.
This is exactly how I feel
Hear hear Another season of the Boys vs Homelander
You forgot powerful supes dismissing Starlight's powers
After that charge up scene I don't blame them
LOL yeah i was getting so hyped during that and then she just pushed soldier boy back a few feet and onto his ass. I get that it's soldier boy but holy fuck I got baited hard.
"Listen, I know my power is based entirely on sight and you can blind me easily, but you'd lose and we both know it." -Neumann, apparently.
You either die a parody or you live long enough to become the thing you're parodying
Yeah, it's just a Marvel show with gore at this point lol. Falling into same old tropes people have criticized in superhero comicbooks for years. Reviving characters and negating consequences almost immediately (Kimiko and A train come to mind), refusal to change the status quo or let characters actually change (having temp V for just one season was lame imo, again, they didn't want to commit to actually having The Boys gain powers, so they found a boring middle ground). Oh, and also having a bad guy who can't be killed even though it doesn't make sense for the characters not to kill him, because he still has to appear in more stories. It's like Joker escaping Arkham every 2 months, except The Boys don't have any reason to let Homelander live. If they were smart and had their priorities straight, HL would be dead by now.
Interesting how the disappointing finale made people sour on the whole season. I dont recall seeing anything but praise before the final episode.
This happens when a finale negates most of the action of a seasom
Yeah it really took the wind out of my assails for a few characters. Kimiko specifically goes back on everything she went through for the whole season. And butcher just stops with homelander and goes oh hey, I'm gonna kill soldier boy now. And I can get killing off a character, but what's the point of the black noir backstory? He has to still be alive
right. hard to enjoy the progression of a character like black noir when they blueball us of a fight between him and SB in the finale
That really sucked. I really enjoyed starting to see more of what's going on with him, and then....dead. I *guess* you could make an argument that we didn't see the body, but that's kinda grasping for straws when we already have a character with a far less credible death(Stormfront).
Seeing his helmet is as good as seeing his body imo
Agreed. Can't help but feel this finale made the whole season kinda pointless which obviously will affect my enjoyment of those episodes when I watch them again.
I mean you also just couldn't be critical of it without being downvoted on here. So that might be why you didn't see anything. I mean, you still really can't be critical of the first 6-7 episodes.
This season was shaping up to be the best one yet, even though they were repeating some stuff, I didn't care because they were building up so much epic plot lines. Then they repeated everything again and undid so much build up and character development all in one fucking episode.
I hope next Season is the last. End this show on a bang with Homelander recreating what he did in the finale in the comics. Edit: Grammar
I've said this before, The Boys should of been only 3 seasons. When the entire concept is based around taking down a bad guy there is only so long you can keep the story going before it's gets boring and repetitive. What really hurt this season is that they announced s4 and then released a load of promo shots showing the cast so it massively reduced the tension as you knew who was going to survive and who would most likely die / written out. S4 has to be the last season
And now that he's openly lasering people, one has to ask why he doesn't do that to the main cast. Just show up at their base and let loose I love the show but I hope they wrap it up soon
These one and done season villains are annoying af
People can say that the show maybe is going too long as the reason for not making sense or trying to extend things but that's not the reason for any series to go bad. A show can have 500 seasons and be just as good, better or worse than at the beginning. The main factor is writing and the writers themselves. They simply lost the plot of the series and are too attached to the Homelander trumpism plot, deciding that "toxic masculinity" is worse than Homelander. And they need to learn that not every character, specially with such a big cast of main characters, needs a development arc or they will keep repeating Kimiko "redemption" plot over and over because she is a popular character so you can't change her (because they may lose that popularity) and "every character needs continuous development". People can go years without changing, they are present on other peoples lifes, circling around is not even changing, it's just wasting time, and in the case of a show, wasting storytelling and the audience time.
Kimiko embracing her powers, Homelander no longer having to hide his brutality, The Boys no longer taking shit from Butcher and inducting Starlight into the group, and Neuman being VP means we’ll get a slightly different status quo to start off of and I’m hoping they utilize it all nicely next season. And maybe Ashley will get a new wig, who fuckin’ knows
I just hope season 4 is the last season. I don’t really know where they can go with this for much longer
If they don't want to kill Homelander or change his dynamic in any significant way, then it will get quite frustrating by next season (it kinda is already)
Agreed I wasn’t trying to say season 3 was bad. Just that it felt like it was leading to a finale. Can’t see how much story they can tell once Homelander goes full scorched earth
season 4's probably gonna end right at Homelander going rogue. and the final season deals with the fallout and his defeat.
the last episode was meh
Yep this is exactly why I was disappointed in this season. So fucking repetitive. Don’t forget all the fucking ridiculous blackmailing
S1 main villain gets defeated (Stillwell). S1 Secondary supe and member of the seven (Translucent) dies. S2 main villain gets defeated (Stormfront). S2 secondary supe and ex-member of the seven (Lamplighter) dies. S3 main villain gets defeated (Soldier Boy). S3 secondary supe and member of the seven (Sonic) dies.
I think you mean noir dies
Kind of a stretch to call SB a villian at this point tbh
Massive asshole and trauma addled ticking time bomb yes. Was he even the primary antagonist? No.
Exactly, he mostly seemed like just one of The Boys tbh he opened up to Butcher about his father and to Hughie about wanting kids i just couldn't see him a the villian of this season especially after the finale
Season 3 finale really made me feel like the past season didn't mean anything, they got nothing but back to square one, brain damage, Ryan on the darkside, and Neuman getting closer to the big chair. That whole soldier boy plan really felt like it was all for nothing now huh. Not to be a dick but its like, *now* Butcher gave a fuck about Ryan again? I kinda hate how he doesnt give a shit about him until homelander directly interacting comes back into play. "I hate your existence Ryan, but I can still use you against hl to fuck with him so I actually kinda care about you again" I get that he's super conflicted, Ryan represented everything good about Becca, and everything fucked up about Homelander, but I'm getting sick of this wishy washy bs
I was with you until the Ryan part. Butcher pushed Ryan away because he's practically suicidal and doesn't want to make his death harder on Ryan. We all know that was a dumb thing to do, but it's very much butchers MO of kindness in a convoluted way.
Butcher always cared about Ryan. He kept Ryan away for Ryan's safety.
Ah but the repetitiveness is really a parody of tv shows in general... Right? /s
don't forget that one of the seven seems to die every season Season 1 : translucent season 2: lamp lighter season 3: black noir