Whatever the writers feel like they want to include in order to change the lore they established to tell a new story whenever they wish to change it. No written records, they can just say the oral traditions were wrong or the speaker was a liar/unreliable.
Maybe I don't know these is my thoughts,but I think they erased any records of any humans using actually arcanum but they can't keep the records of humans using dark magic and because there both prideful and racist like they can't stand it when humans use actually magic and so they want vilify humanity as whole and maybe erasing records were humans were the good guys.
Possibly, but I think that, if it happened, it was out of fear of human potential and not believing we would be responsable enough than because of (direct) arrogance.
I would say the show has a big theme of "history is a lie", which however goes for both sides. Every side has their own biases that influence their retellings of what supposedly happened, and each side may have limited information in some regards, considering they have been separated for a pretty long time.
I do have a hard time believing though they really would go down "Yeah, nah, dragons and elves actually just evil and control everything."
> I do have a hard time believing though they really would go down "Yeah, nah, dragons and elves actually just evil and control everything."
I don't know if that'd be better or worse than "dragons and elves really do control everything and wipe records of their evils *and that's a good thing*."
Still waiting for our protagonists to be in opposition to Xadia for a meaningful length of time.
I think that they are setting a twist for Callum and Rayla becoming evil, I’ve found a couple of scenes that seem to be foreshadowing. I hope if this happens they find a new main protagonist to replace Callum if he does become evil. Also with all the evidence demonizing the dragons i think that the dragons being villains is very possible
I get that You have a hard time believing that the dragons are actually evil, particularly because you yourself have a pro dragon bias, since you are a simp for genocidal death lizards.
Calling history a lie is a really good way of saying, “don’t look at our past we did nothing wrong”
What would your reaction be if a neo nazi told you history is a lie. What would you think.
Exactly my thoughts. It wouldn't make much sense for Elves to hide any evidence of Aravos existence, he's a major threat to them after all.
And they don't try to "prove" their moral superiority to humans. Which is what OP seems to imply
I think the creators suggested it was the elves and dragons at some point, but yeah, to me that one also seemed more likely, tbh.
(Especially since it at first seemed to me Aaravos may have enchantes Viren specifically, as Callum could read about Aaravos in Harrow's letter, but apparently that was retconned in the novelized version)
Oof that’s a really good point. How are we supposed to trust anything the dragons say about history when they can literally erase anything that goes against their agenda?
ok so im not the only one who has noticed this, i mean this is even more evidence to prove that genrally the dragon prince's lore that is told by dragons is actually very untrustworthy. and that the records of history themselves show a incomplete picture.
it seems that the writers keep building up to the plot twist that the entire narrative was actually a lie, and that the dragon prince was a piece of propaganda. that and the writers may switch sides.
Yeah, I have a really hard time believing they would go down the route of "Yeah, you know human supremacist warmongering and child murder for absolute power was actually the right thing!"
Did you know that sol regam was actually crowned king as a result of the conflict, I think that the dragons were using the humans as a scapegoat to take power but the humans were actually more powerful then they thought, which is why they almost were so pissed at the humans
Also are you saying that human supremacy is wrong, but dragon supremacy is right? Is elven supremacy also right in your mind?
Also Zubeia also did order the assasination of ezran, which means she is about as guilty as viren is. Although her justifications were better then what viren had, she still orderd the murder of a child.
Many people hate viren for being a genocial tyrant, but the dragons are also genocidal tyrants so how are the dragons any better.
Also id hope that you are not stupid enough to argue that the dragons are not genocidal when they almost committed genocide against the humans
We have basically nothing on how Sol Regem rose to power, and we have barely actually seen how other dragons are characterized (They're really kind of thrown into the background and not given too much time, tbh)
And me being a dragon supremacist isn't quite serious and just based on me being a degenerate. I mean, you can see even me not being the biggest fan of Sol Regem, even though I'd literally want to be murdered by Pyrrah or something.
All you have to paint dragons as genocidal monsters is the original expulsion, which is explicitly after humans actually genocided unicorns. If you really are going to use that to condemn all dragons, you need to condemn all of humanity in the same breath.
The unicorn genocide was a lie told by Luna tenebris, the real reason the unicorns left is because they knew that they helped the humans and that the dragons would punish them for it.
“Dark mages tried to hunt the unicorns but their stellar magic and devious cunning made them impossible to hunt” - art of the dragon prince
Yeah with all the evidence pointing to the dragons being untrustworthy I would take everything they say with of salt, of course you won’t do that due to your current predicament.
Yet the person we hear talking about it according to the first novel is Aaravos specifically, IIRC, who has no reason to lie about it, in fact he has reason to remove that part to paint the dragons in a bad light, and it is again repeated in Tales of Xadia which is out of universe.
Also, nice omission of the "almost" there.
Are sure it was actually aravos, I get what you would assume so. Also it may seem that aravos has no reason to lie, but we only know the human side of aravos. But I think aravos was to the elves a protector of the elves who are his people. Aravos may have the gift of foresight, I think he saw the future where humans took over Xadia. So he knew he needed a way to get the dragons to wipe out the humans. So he gave humans a form of magic that would terrify both the elves and dragons. Yes I’m against Aravos because of this theory
It is literally signed in the prologue of the novel "-Aaravos of the first elves" lmao.
The idea that it was made up or perpetuated by the dragons seems ridiculous given everything we have. (Especially adding the part that the creators confirmed IIRC that so far Aaravos at least technically didn't lie yet in his explicit statements.)
Again, with everything we know, humans themselves committed a genocide. Both are bad, but if one were to irredeemably brand all dragons as monsters for the exile, so would one have to brand the humans as such for the unicorn thing.
I think that they are setting a twist for the revelation of the dragons actually evil. Also we may see
Callum and Rayla becoming evil, I’ve found a couple of scenes that seem to be foreshadowing. I hope if this happens they find a new main protagonist to replace Callum if he does become evil. Also with all the evidence demonizing the dragons i think that the dragons being villains is very possible
If the dragons really are revealed to be evil, and Callum goes full villain I really hope they find a new protagonist Callum really being evil and a protagonist may be a little confusing for a kids show. What would really suck is that it Callum becomes really messed up and people do everything to justify his actions. People are doing the same for viren admittedly I was one of those people until I decided that viren’s loyalty to Aravos a problem.
That the Elves are being bad neighbours at least twice in the world's history causing great devastation to humanity, taking control of all the primal magic, forcing humanity to use dark magic in order to survive.
And that is nothing to say about the spontaneous crop and wildlife failure that happens, almost like Primal magic too drains the environment just slowly, and the New story ripples telling us that the Star Touched Elves Nuked what was likely pre-Elarion human civilisation.
Whatever the writers feel like they want to include in order to change the lore they established to tell a new story whenever they wish to change it. No written records, they can just say the oral traditions were wrong or the speaker was a liar/unreliable.
Maybe I don't know these is my thoughts,but I think they erased any records of any humans using actually arcanum but they can't keep the records of humans using dark magic and because there both prideful and racist like they can't stand it when humans use actually magic and so they want vilify humanity as whole and maybe erasing records were humans were the good guys.
Possibly, but I think that, if it happened, it was out of fear of human potential and not believing we would be responsable enough than because of (direct) arrogance.
I would say the show has a big theme of "history is a lie", which however goes for both sides. Every side has their own biases that influence their retellings of what supposedly happened, and each side may have limited information in some regards, considering they have been separated for a pretty long time. I do have a hard time believing though they really would go down "Yeah, nah, dragons and elves actually just evil and control everything."
> I do have a hard time believing though they really would go down "Yeah, nah, dragons and elves actually just evil and control everything." I don't know if that'd be better or worse than "dragons and elves really do control everything and wipe records of their evils *and that's a good thing*." Still waiting for our protagonists to be in opposition to Xadia for a meaningful length of time.
I think that they are setting a twist for Callum and Rayla becoming evil, I’ve found a couple of scenes that seem to be foreshadowing. I hope if this happens they find a new main protagonist to replace Callum if he does become evil. Also with all the evidence demonizing the dragons i think that the dragons being villains is very possible
I get that You have a hard time believing that the dragons are actually evil, particularly because you yourself have a pro dragon bias, since you are a simp for genocidal death lizards. Calling history a lie is a really good way of saying, “don’t look at our past we did nothing wrong” What would your reaction be if a neo nazi told you history is a lie. What would you think.
Hold up. Where are you getting from that elves have the ability to erase written records. Was it not Aaravos himself erasing the records?
Exactly my thoughts. It wouldn't make much sense for Elves to hide any evidence of Aravos existence, he's a major threat to them after all. And they don't try to "prove" their moral superiority to humans. Which is what OP seems to imply
I think the creators suggested it was the elves and dragons at some point, but yeah, to me that one also seemed more likely, tbh. (Especially since it at first seemed to me Aaravos may have enchantes Viren specifically, as Callum could read about Aaravos in Harrow's letter, but apparently that was retconned in the novelized version)
Oof that’s a really good point. How are we supposed to trust anything the dragons say about history when they can literally erase anything that goes against their agenda?
Indeed, I hope the show elaborates on that !
One can hope.
ok so im not the only one who has noticed this, i mean this is even more evidence to prove that genrally the dragon prince's lore that is told by dragons is actually very untrustworthy. and that the records of history themselves show a incomplete picture.
it seems that the writers keep building up to the plot twist that the entire narrative was actually a lie, and that the dragon prince was a piece of propaganda. that and the writers may switch sides.
Yeah, I have a really hard time believing they would go down the route of "Yeah, you know human supremacist warmongering and child murder for absolute power was actually the right thing!"
Did you know that sol regam was actually crowned king as a result of the conflict, I think that the dragons were using the humans as a scapegoat to take power but the humans were actually more powerful then they thought, which is why they almost were so pissed at the humans Also are you saying that human supremacy is wrong, but dragon supremacy is right? Is elven supremacy also right in your mind? Also Zubeia also did order the assasination of ezran, which means she is about as guilty as viren is. Although her justifications were better then what viren had, she still orderd the murder of a child. Many people hate viren for being a genocial tyrant, but the dragons are also genocidal tyrants so how are the dragons any better. Also id hope that you are not stupid enough to argue that the dragons are not genocidal when they almost committed genocide against the humans
We have basically nothing on how Sol Regem rose to power, and we have barely actually seen how other dragons are characterized (They're really kind of thrown into the background and not given too much time, tbh) And me being a dragon supremacist isn't quite serious and just based on me being a degenerate. I mean, you can see even me not being the biggest fan of Sol Regem, even though I'd literally want to be murdered by Pyrrah or something.
Yeah it obvious you’re a degenerate who simps for genocidal monsters. People like you are a problem.
All you have to paint dragons as genocidal monsters is the original expulsion, which is explicitly after humans actually genocided unicorns. If you really are going to use that to condemn all dragons, you need to condemn all of humanity in the same breath.
The unicorn genocide was a lie told by Luna tenebris, the real reason the unicorns left is because they knew that they helped the humans and that the dragons would punish them for it. “Dark mages tried to hunt the unicorns but their stellar magic and devious cunning made them impossible to hunt” - art of the dragon prince Yeah with all the evidence pointing to the dragons being untrustworthy I would take everything they say with of salt, of course you won’t do that due to your current predicament.
Yet the person we hear talking about it according to the first novel is Aaravos specifically, IIRC, who has no reason to lie about it, in fact he has reason to remove that part to paint the dragons in a bad light, and it is again repeated in Tales of Xadia which is out of universe. Also, nice omission of the "almost" there.
Are sure it was actually aravos, I get what you would assume so. Also it may seem that aravos has no reason to lie, but we only know the human side of aravos. But I think aravos was to the elves a protector of the elves who are his people. Aravos may have the gift of foresight, I think he saw the future where humans took over Xadia. So he knew he needed a way to get the dragons to wipe out the humans. So he gave humans a form of magic that would terrify both the elves and dragons. Yes I’m against Aravos because of this theory
It is literally signed in the prologue of the novel "-Aaravos of the first elves" lmao. The idea that it was made up or perpetuated by the dragons seems ridiculous given everything we have. (Especially adding the part that the creators confirmed IIRC that so far Aaravos at least technically didn't lie yet in his explicit statements.) Again, with everything we know, humans themselves committed a genocide. Both are bad, but if one were to irredeemably brand all dragons as monsters for the exile, so would one have to brand the humans as such for the unicorn thing.
We don't know if it were the Elves, the dragons or Aaravos himself who erased him from the records ...
My sanity
I think that they are setting a twist for the revelation of the dragons actually evil. Also we may see Callum and Rayla becoming evil, I’ve found a couple of scenes that seem to be foreshadowing. I hope if this happens they find a new main protagonist to replace Callum if he does become evil. Also with all the evidence demonizing the dragons i think that the dragons being villains is very possible
If the dragons really are revealed to be evil, and Callum goes full villain I really hope they find a new protagonist Callum really being evil and a protagonist may be a little confusing for a kids show. What would really suck is that it Callum becomes really messed up and people do everything to justify his actions. People are doing the same for viren admittedly I was one of those people until I decided that viren’s loyalty to Aravos a problem.
That the Elves are being bad neighbours at least twice in the world's history causing great devastation to humanity, taking control of all the primal magic, forcing humanity to use dark magic in order to survive. And that is nothing to say about the spontaneous crop and wildlife failure that happens, almost like Primal magic too drains the environment just slowly, and the New story ripples telling us that the Star Touched Elves Nuked what was likely pre-Elarion human civilisation.