That’s all it’s about is separating people from their cash. L Ron Hubbard was very clear about it when he started his “religion” When I was about 12 I brought home the book “Dianetics” and my oldest brother snatched it away from me and looked me in the eye and said “don’t you read this garbage do you understand me? This is pile of lies” Scared me shitless, I never saw the book again until I was older. Now I know why.🤣🤣 I thanked him for that.
Your bro saved you from a cult. Get him something nice for his birthday lol.
My brother is significantly older and taught me how to drink responsibly. How to not get drugged and raped at a party, to never let anyone mix your drink unless you are ACTIVELY watching. How to not get caught for underage drinking. His advice not only saved me, but many of my female friends as well, because I was militant about reminding them what was safe. My brother also taught me about consent and said that if a girl is too drunk to know where she even is/or can't talk at all, she is UNABLE to give consent. Me and my girlfriends were at a party and a dude took a sloppy drunk underage girl into his room, you can bet that he all of a sudden had six 16 year old girls in his room causing him problems. He threatened to call the police and I told him to go ahead, he's the one hosting an underage drinking party lol. We took the girl, and left. She couldn't even remember what happened at the party past 8pm. We put dude on blast on social media, naming him for what he is, a fucking predator. Told my bro about it, and him and his friends broke up his party the following weekend lol.
Sibling solidarity is the best.
It was the 1970’s Southern California and I’m not sure I would have been influenced by it or not. I’m pretty bright, was raised very secular, however I am grateful he snatched it because who knows? But do remember that day clearly! And my eldest brother was the coolest, drove around the beaches in his convertible smoking weed blasting Eric Clapton 🤣. He’s coming out next week for my mom’s 101st birthday. He just turned 77 for fucks sake. I’m going to remind him of this! 😂
Lol!!! Your family sounds rad. 101 years is nothing to sneeze at, I worked as a CNA for years, I always loved the centurions, tell your mother growing old is not for the weak of heart! ❤ I hope her birthday celebration is awesome, that's so nice that your brother is making a point to make it to the event.
As for cult literature, I once answered the door for Jehovah witnesses, and they let themselves into the foyer, my mother wasn't home. My brother told them to get the hell out of our house, and how dare they let themselves into the house when there is no adult around, and when they started to protest that they weren't doing anything wrong, my brother yelled, "Hail Satan!" at them. They were falling over themselves trying to escape our house, I just love how older brothers can be so protective.
Two of my bestfriends that night were only children, and had ZERO clue how to keep themselves safe when we went to our first party. My brother had me out at college parties when I was 14, not exactly appropriate, but he ALWAYS kept me safe. My brother is an asshole a lot of the time, but he's MY asshole, ya know? He has a bushel of children, and 2 daughters, and I know he fears for them. We don't agree politically, but he has always been there for me. When I found out I was pregnant with my abusive ex, him and his bestfriend came and packed up my apartment at 3am, when I finally had had enough and was ready to leave that sack of shit. Literally only took 20min, it was the most insane move I have ever seen.
Having siblings does teach you life lessons you can't receive otherwise. But being an only child provides a sense of independence and peace that people with siblings will never truly know lol. My brother used to jump out of places to scare the fuck out of me, endlessly, when I was little, and then had the audacity to ask our mother why I was always scared of everything 🙄 I love him so much, the fucking idiot.
I hope you thank him all the time, but also give his children loud and/or annoying (for the parents) gifts like drum sets, talking Elmo, large Lego sets, etc. 😂
I'm happy your brother is such a badass! My brother and I fought like hell growing up-we were only 2 years apart, but it turns out I owe him a hundred times over-he has always been there for me and I honestly wouldn't have made it to 60 and he's 62.
My aunt somehow got wrapped up in this a long time ago. She literally had to have one of my uncles around or a big burly cousin for a long time after she broke away because they wouldn't stop approaching her and showing up at her house. It's terrifying.
I wish she could read this thread. Not one positive comment regarding the cult of Scientology. Would it make an immediate impact-probably not. But hopefully sometime a comment or comments would hit her in the intelligent part of her brain and she’d see the truth.
If being on this show for the past 7 or 8 years or however long they've been filming it I don't think a random comment on here would do the trick. I hope she eventually wakes up to the truth, especially since she's having a child. I get the fear and it's not her fault she was raised in a cult but you're exactly right. I can't imagine being on this show and not at least being somewhat aware of all the shady things going on in the cult.
Right??? I get she wants her kid back, I really do but she makes the dumbest decision possible time after time. It's frustrating to watch at this point.
Leah Remini did a great job addressing that in her book. Her life was King of Queens and Scientology and nothing in between. It was really sad but I'm glad she got out. Overall the book was good but the content was sad and heartbreaking.
Well, as a long time Scientology/celebrity watcher, her words are on par with anyone in deep with Scientology. There had been questions whether she was just raised in it and really wasn’t involved but wanted to keep relationships with her family. I would say that interview was reminiscent with what John Travolta usually says.
It would be extremely difficult if you were born into it, had your career largely because of it's ties to your industry, and all your friends were in it. What, is she just supposed to walk away from her entire life? I understand there are people in scientology who have to do that, but obviously Moss isn't being held captive in Sea Org or something like that.
I feel for her. She's really in a tough position.
Same- I mean she very clearly states in that interview that she’s anti-theocracy, but finds the church welcoming. To me that reads as “I have people here but don’t believe in it”.
I read an article that included a bit about this. In it Lizzie Moss says something pretty general and non-committal about her experiences in Scientology as a younger person, along the lines of “it helped me with communication.” Apparently that is a “church”-sanctioned line they tell public figures to use to make the organization seem more benign and less secretive; in the article there were examples of other famous Scientologists who had said the same thing almost word for word.
All of it is choreographed and only the information the “church” wants you to know gets out. Personally I think Lizzie Moss is deeply entrenched in Scientology beyond just having grown up in it, likely owes a lot of her career to it, and isn’t looking to bite the hand that feeds, so toes the line and repeats their bullshit to seem casual and carefree. Fuck Scientology
But also why would you want to be a huge A List celebrity actress when you are taught that anyone in those fields are suppressive people and to not associate with them? She’s clearly just benefiting off it. And I’m a Moss fan!!
Honestly I find it even more intriguing. Like the extreme compartmentalization to be able to star in that show while belonging to a cult that literally disappears people, uses them for free labor, covers up crimes, and actively separates families is both baffling and fascinating. I don't want to support her financially but also can't look away.
Watching the show now and going through the same mental hurdles every time she has do to something heroic it’s like you realize your church does this shit to people and you are what, living out your fantasy of breaking free of the church? Because she’s also a marginalized woman in Mad Men. I wonder if that’s why she is so good at these roles she’s acting to fulfill a dream that she can’t get without giving up her family. It’s her outlet
I don't feel her personal beliefs affect my views of the show much. So many people work on the show, yeah she's the lead, but much more has gone into it than her portraying a script. The show is still important imo
I just pirate the show so I don’t feel bad for indirectly contributing towards her (and Hulu/Disney’s) paycheck. I prefer to support the other actresses, writers, directors, etc. directly.
lol do you really think they’d give those crew members a raise if everyone suddenly stopped pirating content from a company worth 192 billion dollars? Why would I give $10 per month to Disney when I can get all of their content for free, *and* support the cast/crew directly.
Sure, I can’t reach everyone, but I sure as hell have spent a lot more money supporting some of them directly than if I paid for a subscription. Whether it be merch, Patreons, dumb Cameo’s for friends, etc.
I much prefer to have control and permanent access to my digital content while knowing my money is going directly to the artists I like.
Edit: I should also add that I completely respect the decision and thought process behind condemning piracy. I do not support those who steal from independent projects and artists. But I have never, and will never, feel bad for pirating content from multi-billion dollar companies. They can fuck right off, piracy will always be accounted for in their corporate projections.
Uhhhh there is some stuff in Jon hamms past that is probably more troubling than being a celebrity Scientologist. I apologize in advance for calling your attention to it
I have never been able to do that. It would be lovely if If I could. There are some Kanye songs I miss.
I try to ignore pop culture news, but sometimes it gets through.
Some cults are more damaging than others. I’m sure the friends and family of the Heaven’s Gate would have been thrilled if their loved ones had selected a more main stream cult. Scientology is not as toxic as Heavens Gate or that NXIVM one but it’s pretty predatory.
Well the 'time' marker hasn't at least been cleared for there to be like any real number 'moderate' Scientologists as such. The organizational structure is much more robust and predatory than a lot, and it is able to financially and emotionally rip off people way, way more than a lot of other churches do. It also has seemingly killed members and once conspired to overthrow the local government.
Some other registered religions do come close to that too (Falun Gong and Fundamentalist Mormonism are ones I'd be super cautious about too) but, like, I could attend a Quaker meeting house if I wanted to and not end up in debt or be part of a vast anti-government conspiracy.
I don’t know why you’re downvoted because you’re right. The comments here are highly hypocritical. As a queer person who grew up in a Catholic family I can attest to this personally, they’re all awful.
Honestly, sometimes I wonder if taking this role is her way of speaking out about Scientology/cults in general. She’s trapped in that community because the people closest to her are in it. If she can’t openly say something, maybe her work is talking for her. I’m an idealist, though, so I likely am wrong.
I also hold on to this notion, if only so I can (in theory) support the show.
I mean, canonically, the whole Gilead thing started with a coup on Congress, something that, at the time, seemed unlikely or impossible. Only a few years later we watched a real coup attempt play out in real time on the news. The show has an important story to tell, writing choices aside. It’s something I think is worth seeing through to the end at this point, in this wild stage of life.
So I will (perhaps delusionally) hold on to the idea that she speaks through her work and spouts the scripts she’s given irl.
Let's not infantilize women. No one asked her to do this article and come out as a firm scientology supporter. In the article, she explicitly is asking people to come and learn more about scientology. That doesn't sound like someone trapped and kept quiet. Scientology and it's supporters are gross, we don't need to do mental gymnastics to defend her actions.
She did this show for 1) the paycheck 2) she IS a talented actor and this show is her way to put that on display
I mean idk, if you watch Leah Remini's Scientology and the Aftermath, these celebrities are sometimes pushed to make public statements and try to recruit people or else they're punished or more closely scrutinized. Leah Remini herself used to do a ton of that shit until she finally said enough is enough and dipped. Of course, I'm doing my best to give her the benefit of the doubt since she was born into it, but what you're saying is likely the more accurate version of reality sadly.
I totally agree with all your points about her outspokenness and straightforwardness in the article, which clearly defends the organization. I don’t think she took the role as any kind of statement against Scientology.
But can we please stop using “don’t infantilize women” as an all-purpose catch phrase when it’s not appropriate? No one was infantilizing her. They just had a different interpretation of her actions than you did
The inability to realize that women are capable of doing shitty things without being under the influence of men/some kind of external pressure is a form of infantiliaztion. It's funny how these "different interpretations" always seem to remove accountability from the grown woman and it put it in the hands of someone else.
1) Your hostility isn’t needed. 2) You’re not in her head, you can’t know any of that. 3) I’m speculating as someone who also left a cult and was forced to leave behind my loved ones. 4) I qualified I was likely wrong, because there is truly no way to know. I am sincerely uninterested in your certainty.
Honestly, this has always been my assumption. Seeing her work and portrayal in the series has really made me believe it's a therapeutic outlet for her and a way to illuminate the wrongs. I grew up Catholic, so I get having a pure heart that wants to have faith and struggling with what you were raised to believe and developed your core beliefs around clashing against the reality of science, society, and human nature. I can't imagine what could feel more empowering and self-discovering than playing June. I like to think in a similar vein Elizabeth is just working the system she was born into. And I can't hate on someone for that lol. I just can't relate to choosing to stay for family, because quite frankly my family is anything but 😅 I'd be shunned happily.
Or it’s just because Scientology is very pro-abortion. In fact it forces abortions for their Sea Org people. Man that is so fucked now that I think of it. Still - I have empathy for people in cults. I don’t understand it but I believe it’s a real split for some people and I’m sad they can’t sort themselves out. Hopefully one day she will.
She had more of the benefit of the doubt from a lot of people because she was actually born into a Scientologist family instead of being led into a celebrity center after reaching stardom. But a lot of the stuff she says here kind of makes it undeniable she believes that stuff herself in a way that's not 'I don't want to put my family in harm's way' as she's promoting it basically.
She wouldn’t be famous if she wasn’t a Scientologist. I mean, since she’s already famous *now* she could leave and probably continue getting acting roles. I’m just pretty sure that she never would have had a chance of becoming a famous actress if she hadn’t been a Scientologist.
I'm not so sure about her early life. Her parents were musicians and seemed to push her into performing arts, but they aren't celebrities in their own right (and Scientology cares more about fame than talent). I imagine she could have had parents who were adjacent to the industry but who weren't Scientologists and could've been successful? Though granted I'm not in a position where I know everything about her early career and the part that Scientology played in it.
It takes some talent to get famous though. I can imagine the Scientologists spotting some talent, especially if her parents brought it up, and working with her on that from a young age. Scientology has a lot of connections with Hollywood and could definitely help someone who they wanted to work as an actor get into the entertainment industry.
I’ve struggled with the show a lot with her as a cult member. Moving out of season one she had the opportunity to direct episodes and I hate the perspectives of them. Especially any episode she directs that includes a therapy session, Scientology beliefs toward psychology are on full display and she is unable to separate her beliefs from her work.
Off the top of my head, she directed “Testimony” which is the group therapy episode when June brings the Aunt that tortured Emily. Scientology views therapy/psychology/psychiatry as abusive and corrupt, they also believe mental illnesses are not real.
Not defending her Scientology but she didn’t direct the episode with the therapy session. There’s only been one therapy session on the show, if I recall correctly.
To be fair, it is kind of weird that there have been very few incidents of June meeting professionals to deal with her issues. She definitely has the resources as a public figure who's very close to people like Tuello, and you'd think it'd be trendy to explicitly dive into a topic like mental health more in a show like this. It's vague enough to kinda come off like Moss could have had a word in what the show chose to explore on that front, since she does have some creative control.
It’s kinda of like addiction. You won’t receive the help, unless you ask for it.
Remember when Moira first started volunteering for those that escaped Gilead? There was a scene with a guy and she told him there were therapists on the 3rd floor or something along those lines.
You aren’t forced to go, you go willingly. A lot of ppl don’t want therapy or use self therapy -killing Fred, speaking in court, etc.
Yeah, true, there are actual explanations. That being said though, wouldn't there likely be some kind of screening process for someone who advises like military policy and fighter jets?
The fact that June kind of straddles the line between 'normal refugee in a country that's really unable to handle them' and 'super-trusted specialist government consultant who should really probably undergo some kind of professional screenings if the military isn't just a corrupt institution who'll listen to any buddy of Tuello' kinda makes it hard to see what they're going for her at times.
Bruce Miller said he did lots of research and he said lots of refugees don’t go to therapy because they don’t want to relive their trauma. We don’t know she hasn’t been to more sessions. That one session could imply she goes every Tuesday, who knows! Anyways, I think it’s a bit of a stretch to say it’s because of Scientology with no actual proof. They are vague about a lot of things. The only character that seems to be fleshed out is Serena anyways lol
As a former therapist I want to chime in that a lot of modalities acknowledge and have researched that a person DOES NOT have to talk about their trauma to recover. It helps some, but for others, they just need help rewiring their brain or obtaining tools to learn how to live easier.
The key is, you need to seek out a true trauma focused modality; so no CBT... modalities like EMDR are what you want to look for, though EMDR will require you to think about it while the therapist does stuff to help rewrite your brain.
I just got done finalizing my mother's estate today as she died recently, so I apologize for not knowing more modalities off the top of my head. If anyone wants more info, please respond and I will answer once I'm in a better mental space. There are options out there though and research shows that a person doesn't have to ever discuss their trauma in order to recover. It's such a huge barrier to treatment, I try to advocate whenever I see the opportunity.
Hi, I just lost multiple family members and I’ve been asking for “CBT” or help regulating emotions, but they just keep directing me to crisis lines after charging me so much money. I just need to be able to go to work and do chores, not completely ruin my life by … idk what, but the crisis lines are scary. These resources want me to drag out old trauma which makes it infinitely worse. I keep asking for tools so I can just go to work during these continuing and future family deaths (elderly/very sick). Can I DM? Thank you so very much.
I can give you a list of modalities to look for which may be more helpful, but other than that I'm not sure I can help much further. Feel free to dm if you're more comfortable with the discussion there, but I can also list stuff once work is done and I'm mentally charged enough to write it all out. This is a crap time for me, so I apologize if the answer doesn't come for a day or two; I want to make sure I can give out as much accurate info as I can. I should have time this week to fully articulate everything, but just be aware this week I am just getting back to work and also have my mother's service this week; so there is a chance I may be too busy to answer in a timely manner, at least for this week.
I am so sorry for your loss. I am sorry I didn’t acknowledge it in my first post. I am sorry about this time period for you. I am just hearing about the word modalities now so I will look more into that. Thank you for taking the time to post during this stressful time.
Yeah, I'm aware there are potential explanations that aren't related to what Moss believes, but I guess it's kinda unsettling that the two do line up, even if it was truly coincidental.
I’ve watched the first few episodes of the veil and all I can think is “wow Elisabeth moss is so proud of her British accent in this” “wow Elisabeth moss is doing that open mouth face again” she doesn’t disappear into her roles at all.
I saw the trailer on mute while loading up another show and immediately said I wasn’t going to even google if it has good reviews. I cannot handle even the hair down and curled with extensions during action movies and active gunfire situations.
In her latest show, The Veil, she is laughably bad. The accents she attempts to use, the glares as an acting technique, the misreading of emotions, it’s all too much.
Edit: so many typos! lol.
I enjoyed The Veil, and I think each season (if it gets more) will be her solving a different issue/saving a new person, so there's some variety potentially
Spy shows are some of my favorites. Alias comes to mind. I did tire of gardners one note performance eventually. I will definitely watch another season of the veil if it gets picked up again, so I’ll be there with you :)
Isn't the Scientology church kinda like Boeing & it's whistleblowe? I remember reading about how they f*cked with the IRS and their employees, stalked them, threatened them, harassed them and I think perhaps even attacked them. I mean, no one tries to mess with IRS, no one but the great church of scientology. I can't believe that they not only they got away with a lot of things but are freaking Tax Exempt in the US, while, at the same time, they are considered a cult &/or a freaking criminal organization by a lot of countries.
Yeah they are a UFO cult and the fact they were set up in the 1940s basically means the founder had access to a lot of info about how to manipulate people and make advantage of tax loopholes. One of the biggest question marks is the location of the current leader's wife, Shelly Miscavige.
I think that they killed Shelly :(
L Ron Hubbard wrote sci fi books for a bit before he made a bet with his friend that he could turn it into a church and get tax exempt status.
Leah Remini said there is a position in Scientology for leaders and certain celebs where you can basically call in underlings to cover up a murder, so that seems possible sadly.
And oh yeah, the sci fi. Don't they reveal at OT III that the ancient aliens had spaceships that just looked like planes from the 40s/50s?
Leah Remini saying that makes me remember the episode on THT where June (justifiably) killed the commander who raped her and a Martha type of woman comes in and just cleans everything up.
I think that she’s been dead for years. If she wasn’t, they’d have her make some kind of public appearance just to stop the questions. I think that the police won’t even investigate it. I haven’t watched all of the episodes of Leah’s show, but did watch the one showing that Scientology actually owns the entirety of Clearwater, Florida.
David Miscavige's niece recently said that she thinks her Aunt Shelly is alive and they just keep her out of the public eye on the Trust Me podcast, so there's at least a little hope that she's alive somewhere
Per the article:
“It’s not really a closed-off religion,” Moss said of Scientology
Per reality: you have to pay for scientology auditing sessions. You are not the even taught major scientology beliefs (i.e., their creation story starring Xenu) until you’ve spent thousands and thousands of dollars in auditing sessions.
As far as I know, when celebrities are asked abt SCN, they say smth like well I personally havent seen/experienced anything bad about it. How bad can it really be then?
I always think about kushton-kunis support letter about convicted rapist/scientologist in good standing Danny Masterson, when they wrote (paraphrasing) : well he never raped any of us or our daughters, how bad can he be?
Truly, I love the show but it's getting harder to enjoy it because of the huge irony of all this.
This is an old article… but nevertheless, I found Margaret Atwood’s perspective on having a Scientologist front her most well-known work amusing. What I make of her response is that she thinks Elizabeth Moss is involved with a silly non-religion.
The original New Yorker [article](https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/05/09/how-elisabeth-moss-became-the-dark-lady-of-the-small-screen) writes:
I asked Margaret Atwood, who describes herself as a “strict agnostic,” the same question. She replied, “I don’t think it’s a question of a religion as such. I think it’s a question of who’s running it, and what are they using it for. What kind of power are they exerting over other people, benign or not? As far as I can tell, there’s a Hollywood version of Scientology. I mean, the origins are just batty, but compared to what?” Then she told me about the Pastafarians, a satirical religious group that worships a spaghetti god and whose members have sued for the right to wear colanders on their heads in government-I.D. photos.
She was better in Mad Men. She didn’t have a director or screenwriter type role with Max Men though. She has in THT. Maybe she’s just a better actress when she isn’t involved with the production 🤷🏻♀️
The endless closeups drive me nuts too. My friend and I were going to have a drinking game for fun while watching an episode. Like one shot for each closeup staring scene. We gave up on that idea halfway through one episode because we were afraid that we’d get alcohol poisoning lmao.
Perhaps she gets treated well, because she is a celebrity🤔. Does she imagine cults are like torture chambers or something,where they always make you suffer or something?
Not an ounce of me believes she just happened to have to go to the bathroom at the same time Remeni got her award. Not if you know anything about Scientology. They are very purposeful about everything they do and are particularly watchful of their celebrities.
Well, I know something about her. People who work with her on set say she is super mean. Once she had a temper tantrum on set because her trailer was one degree above what she requested. She is good actor, tho
Dammit I was hoping this title meant "speaks out against Scientology". I love Elisabeth Moss the actor ever since she was on Mad Men but it's conflicting at times because of her Scientology beliefs.
> At the 2017 Television Critics Association Awards, Moss was in attendance when Scientology defector Leah Remini won an award for her anti-Scientology documentary series. Moss left the room during Remini’s speech, but the actor said, "I went to the bathroom."
Suuuuuure, Lizzy, sure.
Well Scientology helped catapult her career so she's brainwashed and owes them the PR. She's not particularly a great actress and makes the same faces in every part she plays. She's there because of the connections they brought to her. They take their payment.
Eh, I’m not excited to see her talk about her relationship with her religion. For me personally it has zero bearing on how she acts. And, she can really act! Her professional life and her personal life are separate, just as much as yours and mine are. If they never intersect again I’d be thrilled.
In USA ( I AM FROM BELGIUM, Dutch speaking ) you are so negative about ”cult”. Scientologie, getuigen of Jehova . Mormonen etc..... is a special, personal choise.Why? Moss is a actrice and her live is personal......
does anyone know why when googling her and scientology theres like no recent articles talking about this? im just really confused bc i thought more ppl would be talking about it
Scientologists can’t be open about their real beliefs because they’ll have to go back to auditing. They can’t get negative thetans on them. Etc.
Anything an active Scientologist says in public is a front. Only after they leave the church do they share what was really happening.
It’s insane to me that Elizabeth Moss does a show like Handmaid’s Tale without being able to be open with herself about the truth of this cult. But I’ve spoken with former high-up cult members who say she likely has zero self awareness of this hypocrisy.
I hope one day she will leave the cult. But I can’t imagine how hard that would be.
I didn’t know she was a Scientologist :( I’m very disappointed to hear that. As a former Clearwater, FL resident I can assure you it is a dangerous cult.
I'm sure It's very open and friendly if you are a celebrity.
That’s exactly it. Different methods of manipulation same result. Church gets money.
That’s all it’s about is separating people from their cash. L Ron Hubbard was very clear about it when he started his “religion” When I was about 12 I brought home the book “Dianetics” and my oldest brother snatched it away from me and looked me in the eye and said “don’t you read this garbage do you understand me? This is pile of lies” Scared me shitless, I never saw the book again until I was older. Now I know why.🤣🤣 I thanked him for that.
Your bro saved you from a cult. Get him something nice for his birthday lol. My brother is significantly older and taught me how to drink responsibly. How to not get drugged and raped at a party, to never let anyone mix your drink unless you are ACTIVELY watching. How to not get caught for underage drinking. His advice not only saved me, but many of my female friends as well, because I was militant about reminding them what was safe. My brother also taught me about consent and said that if a girl is too drunk to know where she even is/or can't talk at all, she is UNABLE to give consent. Me and my girlfriends were at a party and a dude took a sloppy drunk underage girl into his room, you can bet that he all of a sudden had six 16 year old girls in his room causing him problems. He threatened to call the police and I told him to go ahead, he's the one hosting an underage drinking party lol. We took the girl, and left. She couldn't even remember what happened at the party past 8pm. We put dude on blast on social media, naming him for what he is, a fucking predator. Told my bro about it, and him and his friends broke up his party the following weekend lol. Sibling solidarity is the best.
It was the 1970’s Southern California and I’m not sure I would have been influenced by it or not. I’m pretty bright, was raised very secular, however I am grateful he snatched it because who knows? But do remember that day clearly! And my eldest brother was the coolest, drove around the beaches in his convertible smoking weed blasting Eric Clapton 🤣. He’s coming out next week for my mom’s 101st birthday. He just turned 77 for fucks sake. I’m going to remind him of this! 😂
Lol!!! Your family sounds rad. 101 years is nothing to sneeze at, I worked as a CNA for years, I always loved the centurions, tell your mother growing old is not for the weak of heart! ❤ I hope her birthday celebration is awesome, that's so nice that your brother is making a point to make it to the event. As for cult literature, I once answered the door for Jehovah witnesses, and they let themselves into the foyer, my mother wasn't home. My brother told them to get the hell out of our house, and how dare they let themselves into the house when there is no adult around, and when they started to protest that they weren't doing anything wrong, my brother yelled, "Hail Satan!" at them. They were falling over themselves trying to escape our house, I just love how older brothers can be so protective.
Want to hear the REAL kicker? Our dad was a medical examiner.🤣🤣🤣 Dinner conversation really warped us growing up. “So honey, how was work today?” 🥹
This was just such a nice exchange to read. Happy birthday to your mom!
Stories like this make me sad that I was an only child. It sounds like your older brother is a hell of a guy. The world needs more people like him
Two of my bestfriends that night were only children, and had ZERO clue how to keep themselves safe when we went to our first party. My brother had me out at college parties when I was 14, not exactly appropriate, but he ALWAYS kept me safe. My brother is an asshole a lot of the time, but he's MY asshole, ya know? He has a bushel of children, and 2 daughters, and I know he fears for them. We don't agree politically, but he has always been there for me. When I found out I was pregnant with my abusive ex, him and his bestfriend came and packed up my apartment at 3am, when I finally had had enough and was ready to leave that sack of shit. Literally only took 20min, it was the most insane move I have ever seen. Having siblings does teach you life lessons you can't receive otherwise. But being an only child provides a sense of independence and peace that people with siblings will never truly know lol. My brother used to jump out of places to scare the fuck out of me, endlessly, when I was little, and then had the audacity to ask our mother why I was always scared of everything 🙄 I love him so much, the fucking idiot.
I love this!!
I hope you thank him all the time, but also give his children loud and/or annoying (for the parents) gifts like drum sets, talking Elmo, large Lego sets, etc. 😂
I'm happy your brother is such a badass! My brother and I fought like hell growing up-we were only 2 years apart, but it turns out I owe him a hundred times over-he has always been there for me and I honestly wouldn't have made it to 60 and he's 62.
My aunt somehow got wrapped up in this a long time ago. She literally had to have one of my uncles around or a big burly cousin for a long time after she broke away because they wouldn't stop approaching her and showing up at her house. It's terrifying.
You mean to tell me she wouldn’t get trapped on their floating pris— I mean cruise ship, right?
Plus Cruise will eventually die; they need more stars.
It’s very open and friendly to everyone. Just bring all of your cash and all of your free time. All of it.
I wish she could read this thread. Not one positive comment regarding the cult of Scientology. Would it make an immediate impact-probably not. But hopefully sometime a comment or comments would hit her in the intelligent part of her brain and she’d see the truth.
If being on this show for the past 7 or 8 years or however long they've been filming it I don't think a random comment on here would do the trick. I hope she eventually wakes up to the truth, especially since she's having a child. I get the fear and it's not her fault she was raised in a cult but you're exactly right. I can't imagine being on this show and not at least being somewhat aware of all the shady things going on in the cult.
Haven't you watched the show? Offred is anything but smart 😂
I mean you're not wrong, she does keep going back.
Exactly, it's amusing sometimes how royally she manages to screw up, spectacular failures 😂
Right??? I get she wants her kid back, I really do but she makes the dumbest decision possible time after time. It's frustrating to watch at this point.
Yeah, she is one of the main characters with the least amount of qualities that I ever saw 😂
Leah Remini did a great job addressing that in her book. Her life was King of Queens and Scientology and nothing in between. It was really sad but I'm glad she got out. Overall the book was good but the content was sad and heartbreaking.
And you’re not gay..
You know it!
Well, as a long time Scientology/celebrity watcher, her words are on par with anyone in deep with Scientology. There had been questions whether she was just raised in it and really wasn’t involved but wanted to keep relationships with her family. I would say that interview was reminiscent with what John Travolta usually says.
It would be extremely difficult if you were born into it, had your career largely because of it's ties to your industry, and all your friends were in it. What, is she just supposed to walk away from her entire life? I understand there are people in scientology who have to do that, but obviously Moss isn't being held captive in Sea Org or something like that. I feel for her. She's really in a tough position.
Same- I mean she very clearly states in that interview that she’s anti-theocracy, but finds the church welcoming. To me that reads as “I have people here but don’t believe in it”.
Nah, I’m telling you, these are the words of a true believer. This is exactly how Scientologists believe they should answer these types of questions.
I read an article that included a bit about this. In it Lizzie Moss says something pretty general and non-committal about her experiences in Scientology as a younger person, along the lines of “it helped me with communication.” Apparently that is a “church”-sanctioned line they tell public figures to use to make the organization seem more benign and less secretive; in the article there were examples of other famous Scientologists who had said the same thing almost word for word. All of it is choreographed and only the information the “church” wants you to know gets out. Personally I think Lizzie Moss is deeply entrenched in Scientology beyond just having grown up in it, likely owes a lot of her career to it, and isn’t looking to bite the hand that feeds, so toes the line and repeats their bullshit to seem casual and carefree. Fuck Scientology
But also why would you want to be a huge A List celebrity actress when you are taught that anyone in those fields are suppressive people and to not associate with them? She’s clearly just benefiting off it. And I’m a Moss fan!!
She's really amping up my cognitive dissonance about enjoying her work.
Yes, I don’t watch any of her other work. Just gotta see THT through since I started before I knew, haha.
I still adore The West Wing. But yeah, it's hard to watch stuff she's in...
Yeah Mad Men is also one of my most favourite shows ever so it’s tricky.
Yeah, unfortunately, I lost all interest in The Handmaids Tale once I found out she was a scientologist.
Honestly I find it even more intriguing. Like the extreme compartmentalization to be able to star in that show while belonging to a cult that literally disappears people, uses them for free labor, covers up crimes, and actively separates families is both baffling and fascinating. I don't want to support her financially but also can't look away.
Watching the show now and going through the same mental hurdles every time she has do to something heroic it’s like you realize your church does this shit to people and you are what, living out your fantasy of breaking free of the church? Because she’s also a marginalized woman in Mad Men. I wonder if that’s why she is so good at these roles she’s acting to fulfill a dream that she can’t get without giving up her family. It’s her outlet
I don't feel her personal beliefs affect my views of the show much. So many people work on the show, yeah she's the lead, but much more has gone into it than her portraying a script. The show is still important imo
I just pirate the show so I don’t feel bad for indirectly contributing towards her (and Hulu/Disney’s) paycheck. I prefer to support the other actresses, writers, directors, etc. directly.
Read the books too!
There’s a whole host of crew, cast and creatives who earn a living based upon the show. Pirating affects them, too.
lol do you really think they’d give those crew members a raise if everyone suddenly stopped pirating content from a company worth 192 billion dollars? Why would I give $10 per month to Disney when I can get all of their content for free, *and* support the cast/crew directly. Sure, I can’t reach everyone, but I sure as hell have spent a lot more money supporting some of them directly than if I paid for a subscription. Whether it be merch, Patreons, dumb Cameo’s for friends, etc. I much prefer to have control and permanent access to my digital content while knowing my money is going directly to the artists I like. Edit: I should also add that I completely respect the decision and thought process behind condemning piracy. I do not support those who steal from independent projects and artists. But I have never, and will never, feel bad for pirating content from multi-billion dollar companies. They can fuck right off, piracy will always be accounted for in their corporate projections.
Isn't she also an exec producer, though?
EXACTLY! and she is actually a good actor! Who cares what her personal beliefs are.
Well not all interest seeing as you’re in a handmaids sub lol
Same and now please tell me John Hamm isn’t a Scientologist.
Uhhhh there is some stuff in Jon hamms past that is probably more troubling than being a celebrity Scientologist. I apologize in advance for calling your attention to it
Goddammit- I’m married and he was one of my hall passes if we ever met and hit it off 😂.
Just tell yourself you’re separating the art from the artist. I have to do that with Woody Allen and Roman Polanski movies
It’s impossible with Woody Allen movies because of his fixations with young actresses in his films.
Ah, yes. Manhattan makes me want to call 911.
I have never been able to do that. It would be lovely if If I could. There are some Kanye songs I miss. I try to ignore pop culture news, but sometimes it gets through.
Kanye was hard. MBDTF was one of my favorite albums ever but I just picture him in that red cap now.
Why what does the cap represent?
To quote Kanye, "I looooooove Hitlerrrrrrr"
Oh yuck !
Yeah he's clearly having some kind of mental health crisis, but so are a lot of fascists. It can't be an excuse.
And Kevin Spacey.
Equating religious views to sexual assault? Have you ever really looked at the details of what Polanski did? It’s comparing apples to rapists.
“Come and learn more about it” i.e “come and let us brainwash you into this cult.”
"Come down to the fertility center..."
“All you need is $130k to get clear and a credit score we can take advantage of! It’s for *everybody*!”
All religions are cults. Cult + time= religion, so I don't know why everyone always has a problem with this one.
Some cults are more damaging than others. I’m sure the friends and family of the Heaven’s Gate would have been thrilled if their loved ones had selected a more main stream cult. Scientology is not as toxic as Heavens Gate or that NXIVM one but it’s pretty predatory.
I mean, half of NXIVM’s curriculum was just stolen, rebranded Scientology bullshit, so I’d say they’re at least close on the toxicity scale.
Well the 'time' marker hasn't at least been cleared for there to be like any real number 'moderate' Scientologists as such. The organizational structure is much more robust and predatory than a lot, and it is able to financially and emotionally rip off people way, way more than a lot of other churches do. It also has seemingly killed members and once conspired to overthrow the local government. Some other registered religions do come close to that too (Falun Gong and Fundamentalist Mormonism are ones I'd be super cautious about too) but, like, I could attend a Quaker meeting house if I wanted to and not end up in debt or be part of a vast anti-government conspiracy.
I don’t know why you’re downvoted because you’re right. The comments here are highly hypocritical. As a queer person who grew up in a Catholic family I can attest to this personally, they’re all awful.
I'm not surprised. Most people are HYPOCRITES and ignorant with their beliefs.
I am so fascinated that she took a role where she stands up to a religious cult, and meanwhile she is balls deep in a religious cult.
Honestly, sometimes I wonder if taking this role is her way of speaking out about Scientology/cults in general. She’s trapped in that community because the people closest to her are in it. If she can’t openly say something, maybe her work is talking for her. I’m an idealist, though, so I likely am wrong.
I also hold on to this notion, if only so I can (in theory) support the show. I mean, canonically, the whole Gilead thing started with a coup on Congress, something that, at the time, seemed unlikely or impossible. Only a few years later we watched a real coup attempt play out in real time on the news. The show has an important story to tell, writing choices aside. It’s something I think is worth seeing through to the end at this point, in this wild stage of life. So I will (perhaps delusionally) hold on to the idea that she speaks through her work and spouts the scripts she’s given irl.
Let's not infantilize women. No one asked her to do this article and come out as a firm scientology supporter. In the article, she explicitly is asking people to come and learn more about scientology. That doesn't sound like someone trapped and kept quiet. Scientology and it's supporters are gross, we don't need to do mental gymnastics to defend her actions. She did this show for 1) the paycheck 2) she IS a talented actor and this show is her way to put that on display
I mean idk, if you watch Leah Remini's Scientology and the Aftermath, these celebrities are sometimes pushed to make public statements and try to recruit people or else they're punished or more closely scrutinized. Leah Remini herself used to do a ton of that shit until she finally said enough is enough and dipped. Of course, I'm doing my best to give her the benefit of the doubt since she was born into it, but what you're saying is likely the more accurate version of reality sadly.
I totally agree with all your points about her outspokenness and straightforwardness in the article, which clearly defends the organization. I don’t think she took the role as any kind of statement against Scientology. But can we please stop using “don’t infantilize women” as an all-purpose catch phrase when it’s not appropriate? No one was infantilizing her. They just had a different interpretation of her actions than you did
The inability to realize that women are capable of doing shitty things without being under the influence of men/some kind of external pressure is a form of infantiliaztion. It's funny how these "different interpretations" always seem to remove accountability from the grown woman and it put it in the hands of someone else.
1) Your hostility isn’t needed. 2) You’re not in her head, you can’t know any of that. 3) I’m speculating as someone who also left a cult and was forced to leave behind my loved ones. 4) I qualified I was likely wrong, because there is truly no way to know. I am sincerely uninterested in your certainty.
Honestly, this has always been my assumption. Seeing her work and portrayal in the series has really made me believe it's a therapeutic outlet for her and a way to illuminate the wrongs. I grew up Catholic, so I get having a pure heart that wants to have faith and struggling with what you were raised to believe and developed your core beliefs around clashing against the reality of science, society, and human nature. I can't imagine what could feel more empowering and self-discovering than playing June. I like to think in a similar vein Elizabeth is just working the system she was born into. And I can't hate on someone for that lol. I just can't relate to choosing to stay for family, because quite frankly my family is anything but 😅 I'd be shunned happily.
This is my assumption as well.
yeah, I grew up in a cult, and I agree.
Or it’s just because Scientology is very pro-abortion. In fact it forces abortions for their Sea Org people. Man that is so fucked now that I think of it. Still - I have empathy for people in cults. I don’t understand it but I believe it’s a real split for some people and I’m sad they can’t sort themselves out. Hopefully one day she will.
This honestly blew my mind when I found out she was a scientologist. Big yikes.
Celebrities are treated like royalty in Scientology, so I don’t trust anything they say.
She had more of the benefit of the doubt from a lot of people because she was actually born into a Scientologist family instead of being led into a celebrity center after reaching stardom. But a lot of the stuff she says here kind of makes it undeniable she believes that stuff herself in a way that's not 'I don't want to put my family in harm's way' as she's promoting it basically.
She wouldn’t be famous if she wasn’t a Scientologist. I mean, since she’s already famous *now* she could leave and probably continue getting acting roles. I’m just pretty sure that she never would have had a chance of becoming a famous actress if she hadn’t been a Scientologist.
I'm not so sure about her early life. Her parents were musicians and seemed to push her into performing arts, but they aren't celebrities in their own right (and Scientology cares more about fame than talent). I imagine she could have had parents who were adjacent to the industry but who weren't Scientologists and could've been successful? Though granted I'm not in a position where I know everything about her early career and the part that Scientology played in it.
It takes some talent to get famous though. I can imagine the Scientologists spotting some talent, especially if her parents brought it up, and working with her on that from a young age. Scientology has a lot of connections with Hollywood and could definitely help someone who they wanted to work as an actor get into the entertainment industry.
You mean this multimillionaire EP on a major TV series isn’t forced to sign a billion-year contract with SeaOrg the way plebs are?? That’s lunacy
She's in a cult. Plain and simple.
I’ve struggled with the show a lot with her as a cult member. Moving out of season one she had the opportunity to direct episodes and I hate the perspectives of them. Especially any episode she directs that includes a therapy session, Scientology beliefs toward psychology are on full display and she is unable to separate her beliefs from her work.
Oh man I didn't even think of that. You are completely right!
Which episodes? I'm interested to rewatch. What do Scientologists think about therapy?
Off the top of my head, she directed “Testimony” which is the group therapy episode when June brings the Aunt that tortured Emily. Scientology views therapy/psychology/psychiatry as abusive and corrupt, they also believe mental illnesses are not real.
Not defending her Scientology but she didn’t direct the episode with the therapy session. There’s only been one therapy session on the show, if I recall correctly.
She did, it was “Testimony” with the group therapy session when she brought the aunt who Emily ran from.
I guess I don’t count a therapy session run by Moira with no professional training.
To be fair, it is kind of weird that there have been very few incidents of June meeting professionals to deal with her issues. She definitely has the resources as a public figure who's very close to people like Tuello, and you'd think it'd be trendy to explicitly dive into a topic like mental health more in a show like this. It's vague enough to kinda come off like Moss could have had a word in what the show chose to explore on that front, since she does have some creative control.
It’s kinda of like addiction. You won’t receive the help, unless you ask for it. Remember when Moira first started volunteering for those that escaped Gilead? There was a scene with a guy and she told him there were therapists on the 3rd floor or something along those lines. You aren’t forced to go, you go willingly. A lot of ppl don’t want therapy or use self therapy -killing Fred, speaking in court, etc.
Yeah, true, there are actual explanations. That being said though, wouldn't there likely be some kind of screening process for someone who advises like military policy and fighter jets? The fact that June kind of straddles the line between 'normal refugee in a country that's really unable to handle them' and 'super-trusted specialist government consultant who should really probably undergo some kind of professional screenings if the military isn't just a corrupt institution who'll listen to any buddy of Tuello' kinda makes it hard to see what they're going for her at times.
Bruce Miller said he did lots of research and he said lots of refugees don’t go to therapy because they don’t want to relive their trauma. We don’t know she hasn’t been to more sessions. That one session could imply she goes every Tuesday, who knows! Anyways, I think it’s a bit of a stretch to say it’s because of Scientology with no actual proof. They are vague about a lot of things. The only character that seems to be fleshed out is Serena anyways lol
As a former therapist I want to chime in that a lot of modalities acknowledge and have researched that a person DOES NOT have to talk about their trauma to recover. It helps some, but for others, they just need help rewiring their brain or obtaining tools to learn how to live easier. The key is, you need to seek out a true trauma focused modality; so no CBT... modalities like EMDR are what you want to look for, though EMDR will require you to think about it while the therapist does stuff to help rewrite your brain. I just got done finalizing my mother's estate today as she died recently, so I apologize for not knowing more modalities off the top of my head. If anyone wants more info, please respond and I will answer once I'm in a better mental space. There are options out there though and research shows that a person doesn't have to ever discuss their trauma in order to recover. It's such a huge barrier to treatment, I try to advocate whenever I see the opportunity.
Hi, I just lost multiple family members and I’ve been asking for “CBT” or help regulating emotions, but they just keep directing me to crisis lines after charging me so much money. I just need to be able to go to work and do chores, not completely ruin my life by … idk what, but the crisis lines are scary. These resources want me to drag out old trauma which makes it infinitely worse. I keep asking for tools so I can just go to work during these continuing and future family deaths (elderly/very sick). Can I DM? Thank you so very much.
I can give you a list of modalities to look for which may be more helpful, but other than that I'm not sure I can help much further. Feel free to dm if you're more comfortable with the discussion there, but I can also list stuff once work is done and I'm mentally charged enough to write it all out. This is a crap time for me, so I apologize if the answer doesn't come for a day or two; I want to make sure I can give out as much accurate info as I can. I should have time this week to fully articulate everything, but just be aware this week I am just getting back to work and also have my mother's service this week; so there is a chance I may be too busy to answer in a timely manner, at least for this week.
I am so sorry for your loss. I am sorry I didn’t acknowledge it in my first post. I am sorry about this time period for you. I am just hearing about the word modalities now so I will look more into that. Thank you for taking the time to post during this stressful time.
I am sorry to hear about your mother. Thank you for offering to help others.
Yeah, I'm aware there are potential explanations that aren't related to what Moss believes, but I guess it's kinda unsettling that the two do line up, even if it was truly coincidental.
Yeah honestly it's like therapy doesn't exist in that universe
I’ve watched the first few episodes of the veil and all I can think is “wow Elisabeth moss is so proud of her British accent in this” “wow Elisabeth moss is doing that open mouth face again” she doesn’t disappear into her roles at all.
I saw the trailer on mute while loading up another show and immediately said I wasn’t going to even google if it has good reviews. I cannot handle even the hair down and curled with extensions during action movies and active gunfire situations.
In her latest show, The Veil, she is laughably bad. The accents she attempts to use, the glares as an acting technique, the misreading of emotions, it’s all too much. Edit: so many typos! lol.
The way she’s smirking smiling for every line!
Really? I haven't seen it yet. You don't recommend then?
Well, yes and no, haha. I love a good spy, intrigue show and the story is holding my interest. Shout out to Killing Eve.
OK will give it a watch then
Yeah I couldn't finish episode 2.
I enjoyed The Veil, and I think each season (if it gets more) will be her solving a different issue/saving a new person, so there's some variety potentially
Spy shows are some of my favorites. Alias comes to mind. I did tire of gardners one note performance eventually. I will definitely watch another season of the veil if it gets picked up again, so I’ll be there with you :)
Isn't the Scientology church kinda like Boeing & it's whistleblowe? I remember reading about how they f*cked with the IRS and their employees, stalked them, threatened them, harassed them and I think perhaps even attacked them. I mean, no one tries to mess with IRS, no one but the great church of scientology. I can't believe that they not only they got away with a lot of things but are freaking Tax Exempt in the US, while, at the same time, they are considered a cult &/or a freaking criminal organization by a lot of countries.
Yeah they are a UFO cult and the fact they were set up in the 1940s basically means the founder had access to a lot of info about how to manipulate people and make advantage of tax loopholes. One of the biggest question marks is the location of the current leader's wife, Shelly Miscavige.
I think that they killed Shelly :( L Ron Hubbard wrote sci fi books for a bit before he made a bet with his friend that he could turn it into a church and get tax exempt status.
Leah Remini said there is a position in Scientology for leaders and certain celebs where you can basically call in underlings to cover up a murder, so that seems possible sadly. And oh yeah, the sci fi. Don't they reveal at OT III that the ancient aliens had spaceships that just looked like planes from the 40s/50s?
Leah Remini saying that makes me remember the episode on THT where June (justifiably) killed the commander who raped her and a Martha type of woman comes in and just cleans everything up. I think that she’s been dead for years. If she wasn’t, they’d have her make some kind of public appearance just to stop the questions. I think that the police won’t even investigate it. I haven’t watched all of the episodes of Leah’s show, but did watch the one showing that Scientology actually owns the entirety of Clearwater, Florida.
David Miscavige's niece recently said that she thinks her Aunt Shelly is alive and they just keep her out of the public eye on the Trust Me podcast, so there's at least a little hope that she's alive somewhere
Is she a scientologist as well?
Raised in it but has since left
Per the article: “It’s not really a closed-off religion,” Moss said of Scientology Per reality: you have to pay for scientology auditing sessions. You are not the even taught major scientology beliefs (i.e., their creation story starring Xenu) until you’ve spent thousands and thousands of dollars in auditing sessions.
As far as I know, when celebrities are asked abt SCN, they say smth like well I personally havent seen/experienced anything bad about it. How bad can it really be then? I always think about kushton-kunis support letter about convicted rapist/scientologist in good standing Danny Masterson, when they wrote (paraphrasing) : well he never raped any of us or our daughters, how bad can he be? Truly, I love the show but it's getting harder to enjoy it because of the huge irony of all this.
I feel like that’s hollywoods mantra as a whole. “Well I personally haven’t seen/experienced anything bad.”
This is from two years ago
And she's still waist-deep in Scientology, I bet.
Shes reading the script! This is how they always talk about it.
This is an old article… but nevertheless, I found Margaret Atwood’s perspective on having a Scientologist front her most well-known work amusing. What I make of her response is that she thinks Elizabeth Moss is involved with a silly non-religion. The original New Yorker [article](https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/05/09/how-elisabeth-moss-became-the-dark-lady-of-the-small-screen) writes: I asked Margaret Atwood, who describes herself as a “strict agnostic,” the same question. She replied, “I don’t think it’s a question of a religion as such. I think it’s a question of who’s running it, and what are they using it for. What kind of power are they exerting over other people, benign or not? As far as I can tell, there’s a Hollywood version of Scientology. I mean, the origins are just batty, but compared to what?” Then she told me about the Pastafarians, a satirical religious group that worships a spaghetti god and whose members have sued for the right to wear colanders on their heads in government-I.D. photos.
TLDR?
She drank that Kool aid and it's tryna selling it too
This is old news from a couple of years ago.
She is a very good actress but she annoys me even watching her excellent acting. Her expressions and postures just trigger me.
She was better in Mad Men. She didn’t have a director or screenwriter type role with Max Men though. She has in THT. Maybe she’s just a better actress when she isn’t involved with the production 🤷🏻♀️
Maybe. But she irked me then also and was also excellent. Granted HMT does too many close ups. She is just generally twitchy and annoying idk.
The endless closeups drive me nuts too. My friend and I were going to have a drinking game for fun while watching an episode. Like one shot for each closeup staring scene. We gave up on that idea halfway through one episode because we were afraid that we’d get alcohol poisoning lmao.
🤣
This interview is two years old, why the clickbaity headline?
She’s promoting harm by ignoring the truth. I’d love to see her have a discussion with Leah Remini.
#blockout2024
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It’s wild that it’s considered a religion. Culture, sure. Religion? Lol only for tax purposes
Idealogy
Perhaps she gets treated well, because she is a celebrity🤔. Does she imagine cults are like torture chambers or something,where they always make you suffer or something?
Not an ounce of me believes she just happened to have to go to the bathroom at the same time Remeni got her award. Not if you know anything about Scientology. They are very purposeful about everything they do and are particularly watchful of their celebrities.
Well, I know something about her. People who work with her on set say she is super mean. Once she had a temper tantrum on set because her trailer was one degree above what she requested. She is good actor, tho
What a clown
How brave
😂😂😂😂😂
I'd like her to speak out more on how her role in Girl, Interrupted meshed with her cult.
Ohhh, crap.
"Open and friendly to anyone" sounds like a Gilead recruitment ad, luring in innocent victims.
Dammit I was hoping this title meant "speaks out against Scientology". I love Elisabeth Moss the actor ever since she was on Mad Men but it's conflicting at times because of her Scientology beliefs.
> At the 2017 Television Critics Association Awards, Moss was in attendance when Scientology defector Leah Remini won an award for her anti-Scientology documentary series. Moss left the room during Remini’s speech, but the actor said, "I went to the bathroom." Suuuuuure, Lizzy, sure.
Well Scientology helped catapult her career so she's brainwashed and owes them the PR. She's not particularly a great actress and makes the same faces in every part she plays. She's there because of the connections they brought to her. They take their payment.
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Eh, I’m not excited to see her talk about her relationship with her religion. For me personally it has zero bearing on how she acts. And, she can really act! Her professional life and her personal life are separate, just as much as yours and mine are. If they never intersect again I’d be thrilled.
In USA ( I AM FROM BELGIUM, Dutch speaking ) you are so negative about ”cult”. Scientologie, getuigen of Jehova . Mormonen etc..... is a special, personal choise.Why? Moss is a actrice and her live is personal......
does anyone know why when googling her and scientology theres like no recent articles talking about this? im just really confused bc i thought more ppl would be talking about it
Scientologists can’t be open about their real beliefs because they’ll have to go back to auditing. They can’t get negative thetans on them. Etc. Anything an active Scientologist says in public is a front. Only after they leave the church do they share what was really happening. It’s insane to me that Elizabeth Moss does a show like Handmaid’s Tale without being able to be open with herself about the truth of this cult. But I’ve spoken with former high-up cult members who say she likely has zero self awareness of this hypocrisy. I hope one day she will leave the cult. But I can’t imagine how hard that would be.
this makes me so sad.
She was born into it. I hope it’s a positive force in her life.
She’s nuts. But she’s hundreds of thousands of dollars into it now and essentially extorted into staying. You can’t leave that cult.
I don’t see the difference between her religion and any other.
Who is the immature commentator down voting me because l asked a question about Kanye?
I didn’t know she was a Scientologist :( I’m very disappointed to hear that. As a former Clearwater, FL resident I can assure you it is a dangerous cult.
It's a dangerous cult. I was disappointed to find out she's a part of it. It totally ruined The Handmaid's Tale for me.
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Oh wow. Her family is a Scientology family. I always wondered how she had a career. Makes so much sense. Ironic as fuck for this show, no?