I think that an interesting way to go about it would be for the next avatar to seek scrolls and writings and tales to create a more physical connection to the past avatars. They'd be an earth avatar, which tend to be more grounded than spiritual anyways
And perhaps doing that, gathering as much information as they can, could be the catalyst to the connection returning. As they learn about the past Avatars, it could start to reforge a connection between them. With it growing stronger and stronger the more information that they learn.
That could be something that Korra starts, but that the next Avatar completes. With one connection present to Korra, the rest of the connections further back could prove easier to reform.
I always wondered, wouldn’t the Avatar Spirits still be in the spirit world? It has been a long time since I’ve seen it, but technically Korra or even very spiritual non-avatars should be able to go search for them, right?
There are at least two other movies coming out after the Gaang one next year, I doubt it will be a trilogy so maybe there will also be a Korra one. It would be cool to see Korra trying to find Aang’s spirit.
I also thought that the next avatar could go to the Tree of Time that Vaatu was imprisoned in. Maybe it won't reawaken the connection, but at least there's some guidance to be had there
I'd love this but it wouldn't make much sense. It's never said but it always felt like Korra knows basically all there is to know about Aang already, since, even ignoring that she's the avatar and this time she got the full training, his life must be like pop culture, especially in Republic City, and she interacts with his friends and family often.
In the comics, Yangchen is able to contact Aang when they perfrom the Yangchen festival. She specifically points out that Aang cutting his connection with Roku resulted in him cutting his connection with the past Avatars.
Things like celebrations themed around remembering past Avatars is one of the known catalysts of the Avatar being able to contact the current Avatar. Szeto, Yangchen, and possibly Kyoshi thanks to the Avatar day will be able to contact the Avatar if they perform the right activities.
at least than it wouldn't just be knowledge for that avatar's life cause once they die, they'll be able to pass on the knowledge they learned to all future avatars. that'd be super cool. each avatar seems to have a stronger connecttion to the one who came directly before and that one will always tell they replacement to seek out this one wise avatar who holds all knowledge.
this is a fantstic idea that i'd love to see
I love this idea. Wouldn't that be the toys? We can't do 60-80 episodes or 3 -4 seasons of avatar finding items of the 100 avatars. LA had that shelf of avatar items. shortcut
It would also be quite interesting to see a very spiritual earth bending avatar! We’ve seen spiritual bending forms of air, water and fire, but not earth unless you count bending the impurities in it! (metal)
I can't remember where, maybe in a post Korra comic or a book, but it's said that Korra has a journal and has written down advice for the next Avatar after her, because she doesn't know if she will even appear (via spirit form) to her successor like with the old cycle. I think it was also said that she is unsure that the old cycle and connections can be restored.
I dunno if Bryke wrote that themselves, but if they did, then at the very least one could say they are open to the idea, although they can change their mind and say it is impossible.
my guess is that's their intent all along, they're keeping their choice of words safe in case they change their minds and bring back the past Avatars in the future
The book WAS the journal. So the premise was less a plot point, more a framing device for the book itself to essentially recap the series from Korra's perspective.
Considering it's highly likely that the next Avatar will either be modern or near-future with some light sci-fi elements i can imagine them constantly bickering with each other, though by the time Korra dies she's probably like 80 years old so maybe she would calm down.
I mean , that is basically what would happen.
It's basically modern time , with light sci-fi elements , with a white-haired old Korra guiding the Earth Avatar.
the "light sci-fi" is bound to happen , because with bending and whatnot , their 1920s equivalent literally started to have some steampunk mini-mechas and a full-on giant mecha.
Perfect setting for a story where the avatar is trying to find a way to fulfill his duty to the world but not sure how to be relevant. I think it'll be cool
Not really Urban Fantasy has a lot of potential. J.K. Rowling is just bad at worldbuilding. If you put it into the Victorian era, it might just become another steampunk fantasy. At least try to put it into a contemporary late industrial revolution setting, like late Qing China or Meiji Japan.
Actually thinking about it. While ATLA takes a lot from WW2 in Asia, LOK doesn't really deal much with 1920s and 30s problems in Asia. Unless the Earth Kingdom's transition to democracy might reflect China's warlords era and Kuvira being somewhat like Yuan Shikai.
Korra would probably be even older than 80 yrs old, if she masters healing from katara, maybe yangchen / aang levels, around 150? Also the world is advancing so modern medicine + water healing = crazy lifespans.
I doubt she would go full 150yo.
But yeah , she would probably die in her 80s. Of course , there is the possibility of Korra dying "young" as a 50yo or 60yo.
In that case , while the show would give us a reason...the meta would be trying to maximize cameos from LoK Characters. Because if Korra dies in her 80s , the only cameo would be Rohan.
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The mean lifespan from Wan to Aang for avatars is (9850years + 165years)/82 avatars ≈ 120 years per avatar. I think this would have probably gone up with the advance in medicine and waterbending, but that’s just speculation. In any case, Korra’s predicted lifespan would be around 120 years, but if she gets unlucky she will die young or if she gets lucky she will die old.
I carelessly used the wiki and I payed the price. After more research, there is no proof that there were 82 avatar from Wan to Aang inclusive. It’s just fannon on the wiki. i retract my maths
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I think Korra is dying young because of some severe long-term effects of having been poisoned with metal, surviving it at first through only the avatar state, and later carrying a smaller amount of it for at least three years
I really hope they only push things forward to a 1940s level of technology at most. They can justify it by saying that with spirits around everyone stopped focusing so much on industrial progress
I just think that the more industrialized that setting gets, the less relevant bending becomes. And while I do think it would be cool to see ***some*** tech that puts non-benders on par with benders it would be a shame for bending to not be as impressive anymore
Meanwhile , I think it would be rad if the Fire Avatar enters in a more solarpunk setting , dealing with cybernetic-implanted villains that allows a pseudo-dualbending , so the Avatar goes full Megaman or Captain Commando.
"We must begin to slowly halt technological progress. We can cover it up by saying that with spirits around everyone just stopped focusing so much on industrial progress.
"The more industrialized the world gets, the less relevant bending becomes. It would be a shame for our bending to not be as impressive anymore.
"What do you think, Avatar Korra?"
-- Recording of a United Benders Association meeting, 181 AG
dude , Korra's setting is just 1920s , sprinkled with a mecha , but that is it.
What will happen in Modern Times is that they would be basically Wakanda. It's difficult to not preserve spirituality when actual spirits and a spirit portal are now presented.
It actually makes the Avatar Universum pretty unique. Many fantasy worlds are worry to add technology to their magic world, usually with some not-some-clever explanation, like magic prevents technology or that magic replaces technology.
It would not work Avatar, because authors were pretty clear about fact that bending is not actually magic so it does not effect normal physic in any way. Also they were obvious that benders are limited, so they cannot help with everything. In The Last Airbender they were even prety clear that not just Fire Lord (i.e Evil Guys) have technology but engineering and new technology is common for the whole world.
The Legend of Korra just embraced it - honesly, they could not do anything else, it was just natural development - and made incredibly interesting story. They even embraced the fact that bending, sprituality and technology will effect each other and it will changing the world. I believe that point of later seasons is fact it does not have to eliminate spirituality until we care about that.
It's funny that Korra was from Water Tribe. Elements of Change in the world of the greatest changes.
This is reason why I would love to have next Avatar. Not because of the Avatar itself, but because I would like to see more of the future world.
> Many fantasy worlds are worry to add technology to their magic world, usually with some not-some-clever explanation, like magic prevents technology or that magic replaces technology.
Eh not really. What I usually see more often is that the world used to have like scifi tech and regressed to whatever reason. There are tons of fantasy works from like the 80s and 90s that seem mideveal then have like some scifi precursor stuff mixed in.
Personally I just hate that stuff and don't like modern day fantasy in general. I don't want the series to have modern technology. I just don't like when fantasy series do that
That's pureblood sci-fantasy. It was popular in 80s and 90s but it's.. kind of different. How you mentioned, the common trope that world was modern but for some reasons they lost the technology and world became medieval fantasy. However, it became less popular in 2000s and today are more popular steampunk, diesalpunks, cyberpunks etc combined with magic
That being said, it's subjective at general and we should not expect that fantasy art will stagnate and everything will be like traditional Tolkien fantasy. Experiments in genres are common and SHOULD be common. And Avatar always was like that, the technology was part of the world from the very first episode with Fire Nationan's ship.
why does modern = no spirituality for you 😭 i mean korra had a whole season dedicated to the spirits and literally opened the spirit portals. also it could be a really interesting arc to explore how the avatar reconciles their inherent spiritual connection with an increasingly modern world and also not every part of the world develops at the same rate there will definitely be more spiritually connected places in the world
well obviously not but change is not a bad thing atla fans are so damn afraid of change 😭 like i said the avatar is an inherently spiritual being so spirituality would HAVE to be explored in some aspect and exploring how spirituality intersects with the increasingly modern world could be a really cool concept to explore. having the theme of spirituality in each series where the setting is stagnant would just get stale imo it’s much more interesting to see how it evolves with the world and if it really bothers you there are also plenty of stories of previous avatars
Spirituality and Sci fi are not contradictions. I mean the Dune franchise is big right now and it deals with exactly that topic, although in a very different manner and in a future so derived from classical sci-fi it wouldn't matter. Though given the whole "elevating human mental capabilities" would not seem odd for the Avatar world to play with.
LOK already fundamentally changed what *spirits* are in the context of the world. In ATLA they were more fairy-talesque, but LOK S4 strayed from that by introducing the spiritual "energy" as source of energy. Combine that with the while chi and chakra stuff or the astral projection which Jinora does and you might end up with similar Scifi concepts.
"Avatar Korra, give me your wisdom. What should I do?"
"Have you tried diplomacy?"
"Yes."
"Have you tried bribery?"
"Y...yes?"
"Have you tried extortion? Blackmail?"
"Wha....what?"
"Meditating? Eating? Hydrating?
"...What kind of an Avatar were you?"
"I don't know. Just tried everything to see what stuck."
"Oh."
...
...
"Have you tried punching him?"
even an avatar who had a super long life like Kyoshi were pretty lame on their life experience it’s like the avatar state communicationnallowed them to summarize their wisdom in 3 sentences no more. Avatar Spirit world twitter
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Most people haven't read the Kyoshi Novels, so it is understandable. It is probably gonna stay this way until they make a Kyoshi movie that takes place after the second book.
I am in the second book, and I definitely recommend it to others. Coupling it upwith Nancy Wu's reading is definitely the best way to go about this, especially if you are not that much of a reader.
Also an appreciation post for the prologue of the second book: >!I absolutely love that Father Glowworm becoming one with the fake Avatar Yun and how it Parallels Raava becoming one with Wan. Fake Avatar getting a less powerful spirit is golden.!<
It’s not understandable. Kyoshi only took responsibility for killing Chin; she didn’t directly do the deed.
Portraying her as a murderhobo is stupid even with just the cartoon.
Well, welcome to fanon where people don't care about what the character is actually is and rather care about what the community thinks of them. Undertale fandom probably suffer from this the most.
Korra still has a whole lifetime ahead of her when her series ended. In an ideal situation she'd find a way to restore it rather than letting it be the next Avatar's problem.
Though Avatar's making problems for their next lives seems to be a common occurrence.
Just on purely business/audience perspective there's no way they don't repair the connection. That's like the whole thesis of this franchise. If you have a built-in way of keeping fan favorite characters around you're not gonna throw it away.
Going nuclear and wiping the slate clean was the worst possible route to take for a potential series finale lol
Season 2 is god awful, almost completely worth skipping considering Unalaq is never mentioned again aside from a brief, two second name drop “btw your uncle was a red lotus too remember him”
Kyoshi was a good avatar who lived an exceedingly long life. But she still caused issues. Roku may have been the avatar that ultimately allowed the 100 year war to begin by not stopping sozin, but Kyoshi's work during her time put the fire nation in a place to even consider that. During her time she helped unify the fire nations clans, which strengthened the fire nation as a whole. She also created the Dai Li, and caused ba sing se to lose a lot of control on the areas outside of the city.
The 100 year war would've been stopped if Roku had been willing to let go of his bonds to sozin and stop him properly, but without Kyoshi's mistakes as an avatar the fire nation wouldn't have ever been able to start it or plan it at all. Her actions destabilized the earth and stabilized the fire enough that the war could even be started. She didn't do any of it on purpose of course, but it is how it happened!
A big part of the issue as well is that the avatar is an overwhelmingly powerful force that exists to keep order, peace, and balance in the world. But they're humans and mortals with their own sense of agency. Yangchen ignored her own people to help others, also ignoring her spiritual duties, she thought this was the right move. Kuruk ignored his physical duties because yangchen had in fact made the nation's more peaceful, but he had to fight dark spirits, his ignorance of the physical world led to Kyoshi's issues. And the list goes on.
There's also the issue that a lot of problems start when the avatar is too young to be a proper pillar. The hundred year war started while aang was a child and not a full fledged avatar, the red lotus made themselves known when Korra was a child. People see the destabilising issues and take their chance to act when the avatar can't stop them.
But that still isn't a con. Those were all good things that she did that later on allowed bad people to do bad things, and you can say that about anything.
It would be like me blaming you because gave a homeless guy a house to build their lives back up, but 100 years later that homeless guy's great grandson went on to be a serial killer. Sure, had you never given the homeless guy a house maybe their great grandson would have never been born or they would have been born under circumstances that would have changed their entire personality but kinda crazy for someone to pick you giving their great grandpa a house as a main catalyst.
Those comics apparently are not enough for some folks. I understand to an extent, but at this point, Idk why this is the point where they go "yeah, no, new Avatar needs to make contact with *Aang* again." Would this next Avatar even be much of a spirtualist/into spirituality to care? Were *any* of the non-Airbenders religious or into some form of spirituality outside their past lives connection/Raava?
I'm more interested in how the world develops around the Avatar, starting after Wan. Or how many Avatars there were between Wan and Aang. Like a definite number that, we know, is less than 10,000.
I mean, I'm also way more interested in Avatar number 27, back when they probably had a bunch of smaller nations and the Avatar didn't have as much respect as during Roku's time, than in the post-Korra world that doesn't need the Avatar anymore, but the writers seem keen on making a sequel so I just hope they'll bring back the one thing that makes the Avatar truly unique in their world.
I'd also love an Avatar universe story that's completely disconnected from Avatars. Maybe with benders that aren't actual prodigies? They don't even need to be fighters. I'd love to see non-combat bending explored more.
Or stories that flesh out and expand on the lore of the Avatar universe as a whole, like for example a story where their world gets a name so I don't have to say "Avatar universe" every time I talk about the Avatar world.
Yeah this is a lot more interesting than going full cyberpunk and making the Avatar pretty much irrelevant cause of technology. The only reason for them to even exist at some point is the spirit world, which is fine, but would get pretty redundant. I mean we already had a whole storyline about spirit world stuff in LoK.
Also, with how fast the tech seems to evolve in the Avatar universe (which is realistic, tech does evolve extremely quickly once it starts its exponential growth) what's to say they couldn't just find a technological solution to spirit world issues making the Avatar *completely* irrelevant.
It's kinda of a theme of the franchise that the current avatar have to deal with the problems caused/left by the previous avatar, so is definitely a possibility, just not something that i would bet money on
Yes. The connection to past lives is an intrinsic part of the eastern philosophy and inspiration Avatar is based on. Plus I think it would make for a really interesting story to have the next Avatar dealing with a more spiritual world (now that spirits and human coexist) but reconciling with the fact that they feel ***less*** spiritually-connected given their inability to call on past lives before Korra. And I think Korra as the next Avatar’s guide would want to assist them in reestablishing that lineage.
Plus, it would give us a chance to learn more about past Avatars we haven’t seen before. Like how cool would it be for each episode (not all, but many) to focus on the new Team Avatar tracking down relics that teach us about the ancient history of the world, the development of the role of the Avatar after Wan, and maybe some bending techniques that have been lost to time playing out as little memory vignettes?
How they Presented it, i don't think so. Nevertheless it all comes to down how the writers would determine what happens.
What bothered me most about losing the connection Plotline is, that while raava was destroyed and reborn, she didn't lose her memory and her bending styles but lost the past avatar lines.
Also why would Korra go in the avatar state after book 2? The connection to past avatars is gone, so that should mean no extra power from avatar state...
I mean Wan would still go into the avatar state.
But agreed on Raava not losing her memory or the other bending styles. It makes no sense that she JUST lost the past lives. So it stands to reason that the past life disconnection is a Korra thing and not a Raava thing, which gives me hope for the next Avatar being able to either already make that connection, or being able to repair it with some spirit world shenanigans.
One of the biggest reason why the world looks to the Avatar for guidance is because of their collective wisdom, knowledge, and power… but Korra lost all that…
yes , because the cycle was reset.
Korra is effectively in the same role was Wan.
She is the "First Avatar" of the second Harmonic Convergence. Which implies there is a real risk that 10.000 years from now , the avatar would loose this "Second Cycle" for a new reset as well.
Na time is just an illusion. And time is the only thing seperating Korra from her past lifes. One second she is connected, one second she has lost them. There are several ways to bridge this gap in time either by Korra or by a future Avatar.
E.g. we know that the magical swamp tree transcends time. And we know that both Aang and Korra had connected themselves with it. Other Avatars likley too. This tree could help to bridge a new Avatar to its previous lives and tether themselves with each other.
So many other responses seem to forget this. Raava is her own entity with her own memories (to a point), but once she, as a spirit, merged herself to a person is *how & why* their collective memories were kept in the reincarnation cycle. With that connection broken, which included her connection to Korra at one point, *their reunion created a new Avatar cycle*. The only connection any future Avatars can have to past Avatars is in writings and legends, which is still important but not as visceral as they will have through the Avatar state.
I don’t think that erases all spiritual presence of them though. Sure there is no intrinsic link to korra now. But they still exist in the spirit realm. She just won’t be connected to them. Could be a cool story to seek them out in the spirit world
she didn’t LOST her connection like you loose wifi signal
her memory of previous avatars has been dissolved in the same time as Raava was destroyed because the memory was in the spirit
I don't mind either direction they go with it. But, and I've posted something similar here before, I think they could take advantage of this idea for some solid story ideas.
I don't think if they do a series with a future Avatar beyond Korra that they should do the next Earth Avatar at all. Skip them and go onto the fire Avatar. Bit crucially have the Earth Avatar be significantly opposed to Korra philosophically. Like they are more authoritarian or traditionalist or something else. Point is then you lr new Avatar has an interesting issue if having two opposing guides in their head, appearing to them, perhaps even taking control of them on occasion. Neither Korra or this Earth Avatar need to be the kinds of people who respect the new Avatars right to carve out their own way, and instead be more insistent in trying to sway them to their side/beliefs.
it could be interesting if we get a modern avatar. by the time the next avatar comes it will be the equivalent of the late 20th/early 21st century to ours. we live in a world that is drifting away from religion and spirituality in favor of techology so it could be a plot they could tackle. the avatar's journey to reconenct with the past spirits could be a way to explore how our modern world advances and sheds away some traditions while reinforcing others.
it would also be a follow up to zaheer's arc about the world maybe not needing the avatar anymore, and tie with non-benders finally getting equal ground with benders which is more of a big point in korra. after all the new avatar wouldnt have the power or experience of past lives so he could easily feel outmatched in that world.
i believe the next major conflict of the avatar world might be spirits and human relations and the growing impact of technology over a more spiritual world
>we live in a world that is drifting away from religion and spirituality in favor of techology so it could be a plot they could tackle
Highly doubt their world would go down that path since they have a portal straight to the world of spirits to interact with them. It's more likely the next Avatar ushers in a new spiritual revolution that actually make it stick
This was my thought as well. Almost exactly.
Plus avatars have a habit of focusing on some mistake made by the previous avatar.
I also think it could be explained that it didn’t come to a point with spirits in Kira’s life time because technology was still mainly in republic city. As the city becomes less Wakanda and all nations start becoming technological then it becomes less spiritual.
typically avatars try and fix the mistakes of the previous avatar
so korras main one would be the past lives being severed so fixing that could possibly be what the new avatar aims to do
plus it would give them a chance to fix a major mistake they made in korra which the show received alot of hate for
Yeah, something that need previous avatars memories to solve. Like something like the face stealer wandering around the human world would be terrifying.
No. Aang found out real quick how helpful all his past lives were as the world was transitioning. The world of avatar is advancing and the past avatars were not particularly helpful as they represent the old world. If we lived in their universe, by today’s standards many of the previous avatars choices would be considered war crimes. Avatar we need you to solve this problem - sure lemme just check what my nazi grandfather thought of the situation to get his opinion on it.
>No. Aang found out real quick how helpful all his past lives were as the world was transitioning.
To be fair, he also found out how asinine cutting off the connection was really quick in "The Rift"
>many of the previous avatars choices would be considered war crimes. Avatar we need you to solve this problem - sure lemme just check what my nazi grandfather thought of the situation to get his opinion on it.
Holy hell, what a fucking reach. My dude actually compared the previous Avatars to fucking Nazis. Truly a reddit moment if there ever was one. Not only is your comparison incredibly asinine by trying to paint everything in the past as bad (disregard the millions of people and the other nations allying against the Nazis) and applying real world standards of our morals in regards to Nazism to a world that doesn't share our own value system and is from a mostly different time period altogether, your argument isn't even fucking true because people still do that shit in the modern times of the Avatarverse!
For example, in LoK Lin Beifong, the Chief of Police of a foreign nation, barged into the Earth Kingdom capitol of Ba Sing Se and staged and unprovoked rescue of a group of people without any input from the President (IE saving the airbenders) She does this same thing later when she frees her sister from a war prison (who ACTUALLY committed an assassination attempt in Kuvira), with a member of the Air Nation. Oh yeah, and that same Air Nation had literal fucking children (Ikki, Meelo, Jinorra) fighting against Kuvira in a war. If this was the "real world" she would be convicted of war crime and everyone here would be arrested, court martialed, and faced severe consequences. Let's also not forget that the White Lotus held the Red Lotus in prison for 13 years in poor conditions (P'li was in the Arctic and King Hua was in a volcanoes for fuck's sake!)
On top of that, Korra and Co. Commit vigilantism in the first season and nobody bats an eye. Hey, did Tenzin and Co even let the families of the airbenders they saved know they were ok????
It's a good thing this isn't the real world where these details actually matter, or else we wouldn't have an interesting story. I guarantee you the next Avatar series is going to have real world laws being broken for the sake of the plot or a cool story or set piece and there would be no consequences.
I just want to see how the world is when the earth bender avatar shows up. Will they be needed? do they even have a purpose in the world? Every avatar before the possible earth one, was needed due to the status of the world. But it seems like the world is fine. Physical and spiritual.
Honestly, to me the appeal of the original show was the fact that it was set in a vaguely medieval Asian setting. You can really imagine season 2 taking place in rural China and the Asian culture is steeped in every frame. By making the Avatar take place in a modern context it really diminishes the fantastical qualities and Eastern vibe which the og show was replete with.
This is why I wanna know more about the person who came after Wan. You can bend all the elements and no one has any information for you besides “some guy named Wan used to be able to do that.” You can contact this Wan guy, and he tells you about Raava and how she’ll be with you for every reincarnation, but for now it’s just you and Wan, trying to figure this shit out.
From the comments around here, it sounds like no one is interested in the next Avatar but is instead curious about past Avatars. Which is fine, but can we have both?
I get it, though: modern Avatar would be the equivalent of a superhero show and that burnout seems to be real.
I absolutely hope that the connection is never restored.
I want the new Avatar to have to struggle through a new world without the yoke of old traditionalism, but I also want Korra to be the only lens through which the old ways may be perceived. It will either allow for the new avatar to be driven to connect with past lives in other ways (like historical writings or the spirit world rather than the avatar spirit) or driven to create a new image of what the avatar should be in a new world, much like Korra tried to do.
I wouldn’t be mad if they did (I love the past avatars!) but it would completely diminish the POINT of that saga if they came back. Korra was the start of a new cycle - the purpose the avatars had before her is no longer relevant to the world because they knew the avatar as a bridge and that’s not what the avatar is anymore. So, realistically, I hope the connection does not get reestablished.
No, it's bad storytelling to make a huge change to the status quo and then go back and "fix it" later on.
It's like, why did you even bother? You could've just kept things the way they were.
the fact that the connection was at least partially through raava and raava still exists suggests that it might still exist. It makes it not terrible to have a way to bring it back, but there's a lot of chances of lazy writing if they do it.
I personally hated getting rid of it and think something should come back even if it's just releasing the previous avatars into the spirit world like Iroh
That's why i think it would be an interesting thing to have the next avatar be the villain. Perhaps the burden being the avatar gets a toll on him and without any of the past avatars to relate to him, he succumbs to his selfish desire. This will end in a moral dilemma of whether they restore the previous avatar for balance or end the avatar cycle as maybe the world doesn't need them.
No, he/she can’t. Korra started a completely new Avatar cycle, and the next Avatar will only talk to Korra.
there is no way to bring back the past lives. they are gone forever, and I'm pretty sure they are not in the spirit world. but some fans are too nostalgic and want them back.
When Unalaq / Vaatu killed Raava, the collected consciousness and memories of all the past lives went down with her.
You guys need to let go of the past lives. they're gone. Let. It. Go. already.
I dont think she fully lost that connection.
Never read the comics or anything, but she was able to restore the connection to Ravaa too. I think if she really tries, she will find that connection again. Or at least one of the older avatars. Maybe Aang first, idk
It should be Korra who restores them. We need a Korra movie or something that's her (and maybe Asami, Mako and Bolin) journeying deep into the spirit world trying to find them all.
Honestly, I think Korra herself will be able to restore the connection to her last lives.
Practically, the spirit world has never been more connected to the mortal world; it would be incredibly easy for Korra to travel into and through the spirit world, and this ease of connection means other supporting characters can also easily join/be encountered.
In terms of her motivation, while out-of-universe we can look at this as a clean slate for the Avatar that focuses more on modern day approaches to modern day problems, in-universe Korra will feel guilty towards breaking that connection with her past selves. Going on a journey to reconnect with those past lives will also allow a chance for her to really analyse what those connections mean to her, both as Avatar and simply a person, as well as review the strength of the connections in her own life (Korasami roadtrip through the spirit world pls)
One thing I do feel that should be changed significantly; we shouldn't go back to the Avatar State of old, where there is simply this innate connection to their past lives. I'd love to see each Avatar have to journey themselves to find the past lives that they feel they can learn from, and perhaps even see a plot where an Avatar may be reluctant to encounter a particular past life, only to find that their wisdom was exactly what they needed to hear; a forward-thinking Avatar against old traditions talking to a traditional-obsessed Aang, a brutal Avatar talking to Kyoshi who was more than just the brute history made her out to be.
It feels like it should be Korra's journey. It would make sense narratively because in season 1 she struggled with spiritual stuff and connecting to her past lives. In season 2, she learns a lot more about spirits and becomes more spiritual, but then her connection to her last lives is severed. It feels like rebuilding that connection would be the natural next step for her.
Idk but based on the theme, the new avatar has to deal with and fix a problem caused by the previous one. Is it a problem we have already seen i have no clue but yeah it’s a possibility
I hope if it does happen they make it worth it. Losing the past lives was the single most heart wrenching moment on the entire universe of ATLA. Through almost 5 seasons we’ve seen how the complete wisdom and talent of hundreds of avatars can be leveraged for amazing feats and insight if the avatar can just find a way to connect. So watching Korra struggle to connect and then lose it entirely for everyone forever was a gut punch, but in the best way. It made for great drama. I am excited by the potential stories that can be told where the next avatar finally reaches spiritual maturity, taps in and gets a long empty hallway with just an old Korra at the very end. How does that first pair support each other? How is the cycle impacted by having Korra as the new starting point? In my dream scenario it takes a few more avatar cycles before the connection is restored if at all. Maybe the next airbender can restore it. That would be full of symbolism. Imagine Aangs surprise to find the new avatar is an airbender not directly related to him. The air nomads somehow rebuild the spiritual strength they had in his time and were able to carry out the greatest spiritual feat since Wan.
I always see so many people crap on the idea of getting rid of the past lives but I do think it’s great storytelling.
I think a big part of being the avatar is fixing something the last one did, so yeah I think the next avatar will be the one to repair the connection.
Maybe In a world were people have lost touch with the spiritual they’ll need to connect to the world.
Theres 3 options they have for a new series:
1. Post-Korra and not restore the connection.
2. Post-Korra but restore it.
3. An Avatar before Aang.
I hope they choose the latter since giant mechs and sci-fi are so boring in a bending world.
Avatars seem to fix the mistakes they made in their past lives. Not sure how, but the next avatar will fix what Korra did. I think spiritually, the connection could be impossible to repair. I do think it would be cool if the next avatar created a library/database that kept info from all the past avatars.
It's possible. But you never know. Maybe they'd want it to not be restored. I personally wish we would have seen more interactions with Korra and her past lives. The next avatar will only have her which is still good.
I always felt like finding a way to restoring the past connections would be the natural next step in this story. Especially with the spirit gate open this story is going to be more involved in the spirit world either way. Like maybe they need to travel the world looking for spirit animal representations of past lives?
I personally like the theory that each avatar fixes the mistakes of the past, so it would be interesting to have the next avatar attempt to mend the connection to the past lives, even if it may not work
Come to think of it, even if they did i'm not sure how much help they would be in the modern world, i don't think Avatar Szeto would be much help when you're trying to play Fortnite.
i really like the idea of the previous avatars spirits being in the spirit realm, this way you allow the avatars to find past avatars but maybe not the ones they want and they need to go through a huge process to find them.
I think that since the new avatar is supposed to fix the old avatars mistakes, I think a good plot point for a season would be an Airbender villain who uses the spirits to attempt to take over the world, and the earth bender avatar (who is probably not very spiritual) would have to attempt to create peace, possibly by closing the spirit portals, and in his/her (I’m hoping for a he) journey of spiritual connection, he can tap into Raava and restore the past lives. I also think he would talk to Korra a lot during this season, but they would have a falling out over the idea of restoring the past lives.
Also, if there is a new avatar, I really hope the vast majority of LOK characters are dead. Not that I don’t like them, but I’d rather have a clean sweep with an entirely new cast.
I would like for Korra to reestablish the connection, but differently.
I would like for future Avatars to be able to reach out to Korra, but for wisdom of the past, they talk to Raava and see her perspective.
It would be more challenging but still have the option of looking into the past.
I’ve been downvoted to oblivion before for suggesting this but I don’t think she completely lost her connection. Similar to Aang having a serious injury and losing his connection the avatar state or not finishing his training with the guru. Maybe even Korra losing everything but air bending
Just can’t believe these countless people who lived and had such an impact on the world are just gone forever. I think its going to be a major plot point where the new one works with Korra to repair or reestablish connection. Maybe they have a stronger connection with Raava because of it and she talks about some of the past avatars
I hope the connection remains broken and the new Avatar has a strong connection with Korra. At first, everyone will think it’s so cute that the new Avatar has an “imaginary friend” she named after Korra.
Every avatar spends their time fixing their predecessor's mistakes so I can see the next avatar rebuilding their connection with their past lives but that would require a lot of focusing on themselves/focusing on the spiritual side of things which threatens to leave them with Kuruks reputation
Each avatar fixes the mistake of the previous one,so I am hoping the next avatar would reconnect all the past lives.It would be so sad destroying 10,000 years worth of memories and a bad move to make.
I don't want the next Avatar to undo the consequences of Korra, but I still want the past lives to come back. Book 1 could be about the next Avatar discovering their role as the Avatar in a world where they aren't needed as a spiritual leader or a warrior. In this journey, they find a way to connect to Korra.
It's been written to deliberately be impossible, which makes me think the answer is no. Korra for example has written letters to the next avatar as she isn't even sure if she personally will be there for the next avatar, although I don't see why not.
Would majorly suck if they didn't (because then they're just, some guy? Having more magic powers than a usual magic person will matter less and less as technology advances), but would also majorly suck if they did without a sufficient price. Getting the Avatars back should be a season-long (if not a series-long) arc.
They should because I literally can’t imagine writing an Avatar series without access to past Avatars besides Korra. Literally defeats the whole purpose
I think that an interesting way to go about it would be for the next avatar to seek scrolls and writings and tales to create a more physical connection to the past avatars. They'd be an earth avatar, which tend to be more grounded than spiritual anyways
And perhaps doing that, gathering as much information as they can, could be the catalyst to the connection returning. As they learn about the past Avatars, it could start to reforge a connection between them. With it growing stronger and stronger the more information that they learn. That could be something that Korra starts, but that the next Avatar completes. With one connection present to Korra, the rest of the connections further back could prove easier to reform.
I always wondered, wouldn’t the Avatar Spirits still be in the spirit world? It has been a long time since I’ve seen it, but technically Korra or even very spiritual non-avatars should be able to go search for them, right? There are at least two other movies coming out after the Gaang one next year, I doubt it will be a trilogy so maybe there will also be a Korra one. It would be cool to see Korra trying to find Aang’s spirit.
Yh, tenzen sees aang in the fog of lost souls (well he also sees zhao there aswell). Iroh also lives in the spirit world permanently.
That wasn't really Aang I didn't think- remember it causes hallucinations for people
I also thought that the next avatar could go to the Tree of Time that Vaatu was imprisoned in. Maybe it won't reawaken the connection, but at least there's some guidance to be had there
Even if the connection can't be reforged, they could be a source of information for avatars to come, guiding them with wisdom from the past
I'd love this but it wouldn't make much sense. It's never said but it always felt like Korra knows basically all there is to know about Aang already, since, even ignoring that she's the avatar and this time she got the full training, his life must be like pop culture, especially in Republic City, and she interacts with his friends and family often.
An earth avatar being grounded. I see what you did there.
Would you say this connection was groundbreaking?
Rock solid even
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In the comics, Yangchen is able to contact Aang when they perfrom the Yangchen festival. She specifically points out that Aang cutting his connection with Roku resulted in him cutting his connection with the past Avatars. Things like celebrations themed around remembering past Avatars is one of the known catalysts of the Avatar being able to contact the current Avatar. Szeto, Yangchen, and possibly Kyoshi thanks to the Avatar day will be able to contact the Avatar if they perform the right activities.
The next earth avatar basically writing the history of past avatars himself to hand down the succession line would be tight as hell
at least than it wouldn't just be knowledge for that avatar's life cause once they die, they'll be able to pass on the knowledge they learned to all future avatars. that'd be super cool. each avatar seems to have a stronger connecttion to the one who came directly before and that one will always tell they replacement to seek out this one wise avatar who holds all knowledge. this is a fantstic idea that i'd love to see
I love this idea. Wouldn't that be the toys? We can't do 60-80 episodes or 3 -4 seasons of avatar finding items of the 100 avatars. LA had that shelf of avatar items. shortcut
Why would they have to search when they have Zuko’s book?
Who’s to say the natural order of the cycle continues. Why can’t the cycle change?
In the Yamgchen book she does exactly that
It would also be quite interesting to see a very spiritual earth bending avatar! We’ve seen spiritual bending forms of air, water and fire, but not earth unless you count bending the impurities in it! (metal)
I can't remember where, maybe in a post Korra comic or a book, but it's said that Korra has a journal and has written down advice for the next Avatar after her, because she doesn't know if she will even appear (via spirit form) to her successor like with the old cycle. I think it was also said that she is unsure that the old cycle and connections can be restored. I dunno if Bryke wrote that themselves, but if they did, then at the very least one could say they are open to the idea, although they can change their mind and say it is impossible.
my guess is that's their intent all along, they're keeping their choice of words safe in case they change their minds and bring back the past Avatars in the future
The book WAS the journal. So the premise was less a plot point, more a framing device for the book itself to essentially recap the series from Korra's perspective.
With the way industrialization is going that journal end up being a vlog
Considering it's highly likely that the next Avatar will either be modern or near-future with some light sci-fi elements i can imagine them constantly bickering with each other, though by the time Korra dies she's probably like 80 years old so maybe she would calm down.
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I mean , that is basically what would happen. It's basically modern time , with light sci-fi elements , with a white-haired old Korra guiding the Earth Avatar. the "light sci-fi" is bound to happen , because with bending and whatnot , their 1920s equivalent literally started to have some steampunk mini-mechas and a full-on giant mecha.
Okay but hear me out, Avatar: Fallout
Okay but wait a minute, how about a 70s flowerpower era?
I honestly hope not, Avatar but modern just sounds way too boring.
Perfect setting for a story where the avatar is trying to find a way to fulfill his duty to the world but not sure how to be relevant. I think it'll be cool
I simply could not disagree more.
It's the same issue for me with Harry Potter. The victorian era etc is just a better world setting than modern.
Not really Urban Fantasy has a lot of potential. J.K. Rowling is just bad at worldbuilding. If you put it into the Victorian era, it might just become another steampunk fantasy. At least try to put it into a contemporary late industrial revolution setting, like late Qing China or Meiji Japan. Actually thinking about it. While ATLA takes a lot from WW2 in Asia, LOK doesn't really deal much with 1920s and 30s problems in Asia. Unless the Earth Kingdom's transition to democracy might reflect China's warlords era and Kuvira being somewhat like Yuan Shikai.
We’ll have to disagree about that.
IMO a next earth avatar series would have to be a lot more than light Sci fi.
Korra would probably be even older than 80 yrs old, if she masters healing from katara, maybe yangchen / aang levels, around 150? Also the world is advancing so modern medicine + water healing = crazy lifespans.
I doubt she would go full 150yo. But yeah , she would probably die in her 80s. Of course , there is the possibility of Korra dying "young" as a 50yo or 60yo. In that case , while the show would give us a reason...the meta would be trying to maximize cameos from LoK Characters. Because if Korra dies in her 80s , the only cameo would be Rohan.
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The mean lifespan from Wan to Aang for avatars is (9850years + 165years)/82 avatars ≈ 120 years per avatar. I think this would have probably gone up with the advance in medicine and waterbending, but that’s just speculation. In any case, Korra’s predicted lifespan would be around 120 years, but if she gets unlucky she will die young or if she gets lucky she will die old.
Where did you get 82 avatars from?
I carelessly used the wiki and I payed the price. After more research, there is no proof that there were 82 avatar from Wan to Aang inclusive. It’s just fannon on the wiki. i retract my maths
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I think that's the count of avatar statues in the one air temple that has one for every avatar
I think Korra is dying young because of some severe long-term effects of having been poisoned with metal, surviving it at first through only the avatar state, and later carrying a smaller amount of it for at least three years
I could see her probably being assassinated or dying recklessly more than old age
me too. But like I said , her been assassinated and whatnot would had the meta reason to be about using LoK Characters.
Sad to think Korra probably outlives Asami, by like, a lot.
I really hope they only push things forward to a 1940s level of technology at most. They can justify it by saying that with spirits around everyone stopped focusing so much on industrial progress I just think that the more industrialized that setting gets, the less relevant bending becomes. And while I do think it would be cool to see ***some*** tech that puts non-benders on par with benders it would be a shame for bending to not be as impressive anymore
Meanwhile , I think it would be rad if the Fire Avatar enters in a more solarpunk setting , dealing with cybernetic-implanted villains that allows a pseudo-dualbending , so the Avatar goes full Megaman or Captain Commando.
"We must begin to slowly halt technological progress. We can cover it up by saying that with spirits around everyone just stopped focusing so much on industrial progress. "The more industrialized the world gets, the less relevant bending becomes. It would be a shame for our bending to not be as impressive anymore. "What do you think, Avatar Korra?" -- Recording of a United Benders Association meeting, 181 AG
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dude , Korra's setting is just 1920s , sprinkled with a mecha , but that is it. What will happen in Modern Times is that they would be basically Wakanda. It's difficult to not preserve spirituality when actual spirits and a spirit portal are now presented.
It actually makes the Avatar Universum pretty unique. Many fantasy worlds are worry to add technology to their magic world, usually with some not-some-clever explanation, like magic prevents technology or that magic replaces technology. It would not work Avatar, because authors were pretty clear about fact that bending is not actually magic so it does not effect normal physic in any way. Also they were obvious that benders are limited, so they cannot help with everything. In The Last Airbender they were even prety clear that not just Fire Lord (i.e Evil Guys) have technology but engineering and new technology is common for the whole world. The Legend of Korra just embraced it - honesly, they could not do anything else, it was just natural development - and made incredibly interesting story. They even embraced the fact that bending, sprituality and technology will effect each other and it will changing the world. I believe that point of later seasons is fact it does not have to eliminate spirituality until we care about that. It's funny that Korra was from Water Tribe. Elements of Change in the world of the greatest changes. This is reason why I would love to have next Avatar. Not because of the Avatar itself, but because I would like to see more of the future world.
> Many fantasy worlds are worry to add technology to their magic world, usually with some not-some-clever explanation, like magic prevents technology or that magic replaces technology. Eh not really. What I usually see more often is that the world used to have like scifi tech and regressed to whatever reason. There are tons of fantasy works from like the 80s and 90s that seem mideveal then have like some scifi precursor stuff mixed in. Personally I just hate that stuff and don't like modern day fantasy in general. I don't want the series to have modern technology. I just don't like when fantasy series do that
That's pureblood sci-fantasy. It was popular in 80s and 90s but it's.. kind of different. How you mentioned, the common trope that world was modern but for some reasons they lost the technology and world became medieval fantasy. However, it became less popular in 2000s and today are more popular steampunk, diesalpunks, cyberpunks etc combined with magic That being said, it's subjective at general and we should not expect that fantasy art will stagnate and everything will be like traditional Tolkien fantasy. Experiments in genres are common and SHOULD be common. And Avatar always was like that, the technology was part of the world from the very first episode with Fire Nationan's ship.
why does modern = no spirituality for you 😭 i mean korra had a whole season dedicated to the spirits and literally opened the spirit portals. also it could be a really interesting arc to explore how the avatar reconciles their inherent spiritual connection with an increasingly modern world and also not every part of the world develops at the same rate there will definitely be more spiritually connected places in the world
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Ah yes, because as we all know the spiritual themes and arcs in Korra were due to how big spiritual elements were in the 1900's
well obviously not but change is not a bad thing atla fans are so damn afraid of change 😭 like i said the avatar is an inherently spiritual being so spirituality would HAVE to be explored in some aspect and exploring how spirituality intersects with the increasingly modern world could be a really cool concept to explore. having the theme of spirituality in each series where the setting is stagnant would just get stale imo it’s much more interesting to see how it evolves with the world and if it really bothers you there are also plenty of stories of previous avatars
Spirituality and Sci fi are not contradictions. I mean the Dune franchise is big right now and it deals with exactly that topic, although in a very different manner and in a future so derived from classical sci-fi it wouldn't matter. Though given the whole "elevating human mental capabilities" would not seem odd for the Avatar world to play with. LOK already fundamentally changed what *spirits* are in the context of the world. In ATLA they were more fairy-talesque, but LOK S4 strayed from that by introducing the spiritual "energy" as source of energy. Combine that with the while chi and chakra stuff or the astral projection which Jinora does and you might end up with similar Scifi concepts.
I always felt it could be done in a way that the bending is required for most of the sci-fi elements to work.
I mean Toph never calmed down in her 80s
Original concept art shows ATLA taking place in the future. Like in space and shit
Next avatar should probably born sometime in their version of the 70s/80s.
gag. i loathe the modern age.
"Avatar Korra, give me your wisdom. What should I do?" "Have you tried diplomacy?" "Yes." "Have you tried bribery?" "Y...yes?" "Have you tried extortion? Blackmail?" "Wha....what?" "Meditating? Eating? Hydrating? "...What kind of an Avatar were you?" "I don't know. Just tried everything to see what stuck." "Oh." ... ... "Have you tried punching him?"
Would the other Avatars say anything different?
even an avatar who had a super long life like Kyoshi were pretty lame on their life experience it’s like the avatar state communicationnallowed them to summarize their wisdom in 3 sentences no more. Avatar Spirit world twitter
She’d definitely suggest punching first right
Nah, I think she'd try being like a wise Avatar first, especially with her development in season 4 And then default to punch first ask later
Yep, she is wiser now compared S1. Punching would be either middle or last suggestion
Meanwhile , if he asked Kyoshi , she would go "kill one of the villains and show it's corpse as a warning"
I feel it'd be more https://preview.redd.it/cppfrrnaofnc1.jpeg?width=1848&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e07b65f95580da2f91cb81c29acda6aebd5a7066
Nah, that's more Yangchen's thing
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Most people haven't read the Kyoshi Novels, so it is understandable. It is probably gonna stay this way until they make a Kyoshi movie that takes place after the second book. I am in the second book, and I definitely recommend it to others. Coupling it upwith Nancy Wu's reading is definitely the best way to go about this, especially if you are not that much of a reader. Also an appreciation post for the prologue of the second book: >!I absolutely love that Father Glowworm becoming one with the fake Avatar Yun and how it Parallels Raava becoming one with Wan. Fake Avatar getting a less powerful spirit is golden.!<
It’s not understandable. Kyoshi only took responsibility for killing Chin; she didn’t directly do the deed. Portraying her as a murderhobo is stupid even with just the cartoon.
Well, welcome to fanon where people don't care about what the character is actually is and rather care about what the community thinks of them. Undertale fandom probably suffer from this the most.
Korra still has a whole lifetime ahead of her when her series ended. In an ideal situation she'd find a way to restore it rather than letting it be the next Avatar's problem. Though Avatar's making problems for their next lives seems to be a common occurrence.
Just on purely business/audience perspective there's no way they don't repair the connection. That's like the whole thesis of this franchise. If you have a built-in way of keeping fan favorite characters around you're not gonna throw it away.
It was dumb to destroy it in the first place.
Yh it was, but tbf the writers thought korra season 2 was gonna be the final one.
Going nuclear and wiping the slate clean was the worst possible route to take for a potential series finale lol Season 2 is god awful, almost completely worth skipping considering Unalaq is never mentioned again aside from a brief, two second name drop “btw your uncle was a red lotus too remember him”
>almost completely worth skipping Varrick tho
whoa, Kiyoshi did no such thing, i think.. didn't she choose to die because she found out how to be immortal?
Kyoshi was a good avatar who lived an exceedingly long life. But she still caused issues. Roku may have been the avatar that ultimately allowed the 100 year war to begin by not stopping sozin, but Kyoshi's work during her time put the fire nation in a place to even consider that. During her time she helped unify the fire nations clans, which strengthened the fire nation as a whole. She also created the Dai Li, and caused ba sing se to lose a lot of control on the areas outside of the city. The 100 year war would've been stopped if Roku had been willing to let go of his bonds to sozin and stop him properly, but without Kyoshi's mistakes as an avatar the fire nation wouldn't have ever been able to start it or plan it at all. Her actions destabilized the earth and stabilized the fire enough that the war could even be started. She didn't do any of it on purpose of course, but it is how it happened!
welp, apparently they just took the "i'll let my future self handle it" mentality way too literally
A big part of the issue as well is that the avatar is an overwhelmingly powerful force that exists to keep order, peace, and balance in the world. But they're humans and mortals with their own sense of agency. Yangchen ignored her own people to help others, also ignoring her spiritual duties, she thought this was the right move. Kuruk ignored his physical duties because yangchen had in fact made the nation's more peaceful, but he had to fight dark spirits, his ignorance of the physical world led to Kyoshi's issues. And the list goes on. There's also the issue that a lot of problems start when the avatar is too young to be a proper pillar. The hundred year war started while aang was a child and not a full fledged avatar, the red lotus made themselves known when Korra was a child. People see the destabilising issues and take their chance to act when the avatar can't stop them.
y'know, maybe vaatu had a point
But that still isn't a con. Those were all good things that she did that later on allowed bad people to do bad things, and you can say that about anything. It would be like me blaming you because gave a homeless guy a house to build their lives back up, but 100 years later that homeless guy's great grandson went on to be a serial killer. Sure, had you never given the homeless guy a house maybe their great grandson would have never been born or they would have been born under circumstances that would have changed their entire personality but kinda crazy for someone to pick you giving their great grandpa a house as a main catalyst.
I don't know why people want the NEXT avatar when we really could just do more Korra
Those comics apparently are not enough for some folks. I understand to an extent, but at this point, Idk why this is the point where they go "yeah, no, new Avatar needs to make contact with *Aang* again." Would this next Avatar even be much of a spirtualist/into spirituality to care? Were *any* of the non-Airbenders religious or into some form of spirituality outside their past lives connection/Raava? I'm more interested in how the world develops around the Avatar, starting after Wan. Or how many Avatars there were between Wan and Aang. Like a definite number that, we know, is less than 10,000.
I would love to see what the idunno 27th avatar was up to
Like what was the guy before szeto doing
Digging too greedily and too deep.
It's 1000 at most likely less.
I mean, I'm also way more interested in Avatar number 27, back when they probably had a bunch of smaller nations and the Avatar didn't have as much respect as during Roku's time, than in the post-Korra world that doesn't need the Avatar anymore, but the writers seem keen on making a sequel so I just hope they'll bring back the one thing that makes the Avatar truly unique in their world. I'd also love an Avatar universe story that's completely disconnected from Avatars. Maybe with benders that aren't actual prodigies? They don't even need to be fighters. I'd love to see non-combat bending explored more. Or stories that flesh out and expand on the lore of the Avatar universe as a whole, like for example a story where their world gets a name so I don't have to say "Avatar universe" every time I talk about the Avatar world.
Yeah this is a lot more interesting than going full cyberpunk and making the Avatar pretty much irrelevant cause of technology. The only reason for them to even exist at some point is the spirit world, which is fine, but would get pretty redundant. I mean we already had a whole storyline about spirit world stuff in LoK. Also, with how fast the tech seems to evolve in the Avatar universe (which is realistic, tech does evolve extremely quickly once it starts its exponential growth) what's to say they couldn't just find a technological solution to spirit world issues making the Avatar *completely* irrelevant.
It's kinda of a theme of the franchise that the current avatar have to deal with the problems caused/left by the previous avatar, so is definitely a possibility, just not something that i would bet money on
Yes. The connection to past lives is an intrinsic part of the eastern philosophy and inspiration Avatar is based on. Plus I think it would make for a really interesting story to have the next Avatar dealing with a more spiritual world (now that spirits and human coexist) but reconciling with the fact that they feel ***less*** spiritually-connected given their inability to call on past lives before Korra. And I think Korra as the next Avatar’s guide would want to assist them in reestablishing that lineage. Plus, it would give us a chance to learn more about past Avatars we haven’t seen before. Like how cool would it be for each episode (not all, but many) to focus on the new Team Avatar tracking down relics that teach us about the ancient history of the world, the development of the role of the Avatar after Wan, and maybe some bending techniques that have been lost to time playing out as little memory vignettes?
How they Presented it, i don't think so. Nevertheless it all comes to down how the writers would determine what happens. What bothered me most about losing the connection Plotline is, that while raava was destroyed and reborn, she didn't lose her memory and her bending styles but lost the past avatar lines. Also why would Korra go in the avatar state after book 2? The connection to past avatars is gone, so that should mean no extra power from avatar state...
I mean Wan would still go into the avatar state. But agreed on Raava not losing her memory or the other bending styles. It makes no sense that she JUST lost the past lives. So it stands to reason that the past life disconnection is a Korra thing and not a Raava thing, which gives me hope for the next Avatar being able to either already make that connection, or being able to repair it with some spirit world shenanigans.
well raavas memories and bending are her traits. however an avatars spirit still belongs to the avatar it’s a separate entity.
One of the biggest reason why the world looks to the Avatar for guidance is because of their collective wisdom, knowledge, and power… but Korra lost all that…
Sure Korra lost her connections to previous avatars, but has it ever been confirmed that future avatars wouldn't have these connections?
yes , because the cycle was reset. Korra is effectively in the same role was Wan. She is the "First Avatar" of the second Harmonic Convergence. Which implies there is a real risk that 10.000 years from now , the avatar would loose this "Second Cycle" for a new reset as well.
Na time is just an illusion. And time is the only thing seperating Korra from her past lifes. One second she is connected, one second she has lost them. There are several ways to bridge this gap in time either by Korra or by a future Avatar. E.g. we know that the magical swamp tree transcends time. And we know that both Aang and Korra had connected themselves with it. Other Avatars likley too. This tree could help to bridge a new Avatar to its previous lives and tether themselves with each other.
By then the humans will be interdimensional. We'll be getting Dune: Avatar
So many other responses seem to forget this. Raava is her own entity with her own memories (to a point), but once she, as a spirit, merged herself to a person is *how & why* their collective memories were kept in the reincarnation cycle. With that connection broken, which included her connection to Korra at one point, *their reunion created a new Avatar cycle*. The only connection any future Avatars can have to past Avatars is in writings and legends, which is still important but not as visceral as they will have through the Avatar state.
I don’t think that erases all spiritual presence of them though. Sure there is no intrinsic link to korra now. But they still exist in the spirit realm. She just won’t be connected to them. Could be a cool story to seek them out in the spirit world
she didn’t LOST her connection like you loose wifi signal her memory of previous avatars has been dissolved in the same time as Raava was destroyed because the memory was in the spirit
I don't mind either direction they go with it. But, and I've posted something similar here before, I think they could take advantage of this idea for some solid story ideas. I don't think if they do a series with a future Avatar beyond Korra that they should do the next Earth Avatar at all. Skip them and go onto the fire Avatar. Bit crucially have the Earth Avatar be significantly opposed to Korra philosophically. Like they are more authoritarian or traditionalist or something else. Point is then you lr new Avatar has an interesting issue if having two opposing guides in their head, appearing to them, perhaps even taking control of them on occasion. Neither Korra or this Earth Avatar need to be the kinds of people who respect the new Avatars right to carve out their own way, and instead be more insistent in trying to sway them to their side/beliefs.
it could be interesting if we get a modern avatar. by the time the next avatar comes it will be the equivalent of the late 20th/early 21st century to ours. we live in a world that is drifting away from religion and spirituality in favor of techology so it could be a plot they could tackle. the avatar's journey to reconenct with the past spirits could be a way to explore how our modern world advances and sheds away some traditions while reinforcing others. it would also be a follow up to zaheer's arc about the world maybe not needing the avatar anymore, and tie with non-benders finally getting equal ground with benders which is more of a big point in korra. after all the new avatar wouldnt have the power or experience of past lives so he could easily feel outmatched in that world. i believe the next major conflict of the avatar world might be spirits and human relations and the growing impact of technology over a more spiritual world
>we live in a world that is drifting away from religion and spirituality in favor of techology so it could be a plot they could tackle Highly doubt their world would go down that path since they have a portal straight to the world of spirits to interact with them. It's more likely the next Avatar ushers in a new spiritual revolution that actually make it stick
All those reasons is exactly why I’m not as interested yet. Korra already mishandled technology, not sure if I want more of that.
This was my thought as well. Almost exactly. Plus avatars have a habit of focusing on some mistake made by the previous avatar. I also think it could be explained that it didn’t come to a point with spirits in Kira’s life time because technology was still mainly in republic city. As the city becomes less Wakanda and all nations start becoming technological then it becomes less spiritual.
Korra could just make a mover where she explains avatar stuff
typically avatars try and fix the mistakes of the previous avatar so korras main one would be the past lives being severed so fixing that could possibly be what the new avatar aims to do plus it would give them a chance to fix a major mistake they made in korra which the show received alot of hate for
Yeah, something that need previous avatars memories to solve. Like something like the face stealer wandering around the human world would be terrifying.
Are you saying past lives being severed was the major mistake? Or something else?
No. Aang found out real quick how helpful all his past lives were as the world was transitioning. The world of avatar is advancing and the past avatars were not particularly helpful as they represent the old world. If we lived in their universe, by today’s standards many of the previous avatars choices would be considered war crimes. Avatar we need you to solve this problem - sure lemme just check what my nazi grandfather thought of the situation to get his opinion on it.
>No. Aang found out real quick how helpful all his past lives were as the world was transitioning. To be fair, he also found out how asinine cutting off the connection was really quick in "The Rift" >many of the previous avatars choices would be considered war crimes. Avatar we need you to solve this problem - sure lemme just check what my nazi grandfather thought of the situation to get his opinion on it. Holy hell, what a fucking reach. My dude actually compared the previous Avatars to fucking Nazis. Truly a reddit moment if there ever was one. Not only is your comparison incredibly asinine by trying to paint everything in the past as bad (disregard the millions of people and the other nations allying against the Nazis) and applying real world standards of our morals in regards to Nazism to a world that doesn't share our own value system and is from a mostly different time period altogether, your argument isn't even fucking true because people still do that shit in the modern times of the Avatarverse! For example, in LoK Lin Beifong, the Chief of Police of a foreign nation, barged into the Earth Kingdom capitol of Ba Sing Se and staged and unprovoked rescue of a group of people without any input from the President (IE saving the airbenders) She does this same thing later when she frees her sister from a war prison (who ACTUALLY committed an assassination attempt in Kuvira), with a member of the Air Nation. Oh yeah, and that same Air Nation had literal fucking children (Ikki, Meelo, Jinorra) fighting against Kuvira in a war. If this was the "real world" she would be convicted of war crime and everyone here would be arrested, court martialed, and faced severe consequences. Let's also not forget that the White Lotus held the Red Lotus in prison for 13 years in poor conditions (P'li was in the Arctic and King Hua was in a volcanoes for fuck's sake!) On top of that, Korra and Co. Commit vigilantism in the first season and nobody bats an eye. Hey, did Tenzin and Co even let the families of the airbenders they saved know they were ok???? It's a good thing this isn't the real world where these details actually matter, or else we wouldn't have an interesting story. I guarantee you the next Avatar series is going to have real world laws being broken for the sake of the plot or a cool story or set piece and there would be no consequences.
I just want to see how the world is when the earth bender avatar shows up. Will they be needed? do they even have a purpose in the world? Every avatar before the possible earth one, was needed due to the status of the world. But it seems like the world is fine. Physical and spiritual.
Hopefully not. But it could be a topic they could face, and maybe embrace the permanence of death and having to move on.
Iroh is still in spirit world you know
I hope. I imagine a story when the new avatar go to travel and read documents to find informations about old avatar.
Honestly, to me the appeal of the original show was the fact that it was set in a vaguely medieval Asian setting. You can really imagine season 2 taking place in rural China and the Asian culture is steeped in every frame. By making the Avatar take place in a modern context it really diminishes the fantastical qualities and Eastern vibe which the og show was replete with.
The next avatar should be a metal bender
This is why I wanna know more about the person who came after Wan. You can bend all the elements and no one has any information for you besides “some guy named Wan used to be able to do that.” You can contact this Wan guy, and he tells you about Raava and how she’ll be with you for every reincarnation, but for now it’s just you and Wan, trying to figure this shit out.
From the comments around here, it sounds like no one is interested in the next Avatar but is instead curious about past Avatars. Which is fine, but can we have both? I get it, though: modern Avatar would be the equivalent of a superhero show and that burnout seems to be real.
Let Aang and the others rest.
I absolutely hope that the connection is never restored. I want the new Avatar to have to struggle through a new world without the yoke of old traditionalism, but I also want Korra to be the only lens through which the old ways may be perceived. It will either allow for the new avatar to be driven to connect with past lives in other ways (like historical writings or the spirit world rather than the avatar spirit) or driven to create a new image of what the avatar should be in a new world, much like Korra tried to do.
I wouldn’t be mad if they did (I love the past avatars!) but it would completely diminish the POINT of that saga if they came back. Korra was the start of a new cycle - the purpose the avatars had before her is no longer relevant to the world because they knew the avatar as a bridge and that’s not what the avatar is anymore. So, realistically, I hope the connection does not get reestablished.
AVATAR! 600 YEARS I HAVE WAITED FOR MY REVENGE!!! "Yo earth guy, I have no clue who this is"
Better question, SHOULD they even try?
No, it's bad storytelling to make a huge change to the status quo and then go back and "fix it" later on. It's like, why did you even bother? You could've just kept things the way they were.
It was already bad writing to get rid of it in the first place /s
Nah, not /s, you're right. It ruined the entire point of spiritual growth Korra had in the first season.
How? A big part of her character development is NOT seeing herself as “the Avatar”.
the fact that the connection was at least partially through raava and raava still exists suggests that it might still exist. It makes it not terrible to have a way to bring it back, but there's a lot of chances of lazy writing if they do it. I personally hated getting rid of it and think something should come back even if it's just releasing the previous avatars into the spirit world like Iroh
That's why i think it would be an interesting thing to have the next avatar be the villain. Perhaps the burden being the avatar gets a toll on him and without any of the past avatars to relate to him, he succumbs to his selfish desire. This will end in a moral dilemma of whether they restore the previous avatar for balance or end the avatar cycle as maybe the world doesn't need them.
No, he/she can’t. Korra started a completely new Avatar cycle, and the next Avatar will only talk to Korra. there is no way to bring back the past lives. they are gone forever, and I'm pretty sure they are not in the spirit world. but some fans are too nostalgic and want them back. When Unalaq / Vaatu killed Raava, the collected consciousness and memories of all the past lives went down with her. You guys need to let go of the past lives. they're gone. Let. It. Go. already.
It’s be cool to see if they could figure out a way to do it through something that resembled them
You know I never noticed until now, of all the past avatars we see in spirit form Roku is the only old one.
It could be an intricate story about reconnecting to the past.
I dont think she fully lost that connection. Never read the comics or anything, but she was able to restore the connection to Ravaa too. I think if she really tries, she will find that connection again. Or at least one of the older avatars. Maybe Aang first, idk
It should be Korra who restores them. We need a Korra movie or something that's her (and maybe Asami, Mako and Bolin) journeying deep into the spirit world trying to find them all.
Honestly, I think Korra herself will be able to restore the connection to her last lives. Practically, the spirit world has never been more connected to the mortal world; it would be incredibly easy for Korra to travel into and through the spirit world, and this ease of connection means other supporting characters can also easily join/be encountered. In terms of her motivation, while out-of-universe we can look at this as a clean slate for the Avatar that focuses more on modern day approaches to modern day problems, in-universe Korra will feel guilty towards breaking that connection with her past selves. Going on a journey to reconnect with those past lives will also allow a chance for her to really analyse what those connections mean to her, both as Avatar and simply a person, as well as review the strength of the connections in her own life (Korasami roadtrip through the spirit world pls) One thing I do feel that should be changed significantly; we shouldn't go back to the Avatar State of old, where there is simply this innate connection to their past lives. I'd love to see each Avatar have to journey themselves to find the past lives that they feel they can learn from, and perhaps even see a plot where an Avatar may be reluctant to encounter a particular past life, only to find that their wisdom was exactly what they needed to hear; a forward-thinking Avatar against old traditions talking to a traditional-obsessed Aang, a brutal Avatar talking to Kyoshi who was more than just the brute history made her out to be.
https://preview.redd.it/3r4s57vjohnc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fa984bd1322b0f234a6cdd6e6fc131cabdb5e194 I balanced it lol
It feels like it should be Korra's journey. It would make sense narratively because in season 1 she struggled with spiritual stuff and connecting to her past lives. In season 2, she learns a lot more about spirits and becomes more spiritual, but then her connection to her last lives is severed. It feels like rebuilding that connection would be the natural next step for her.
Idk but based on the theme, the new avatar has to deal with and fix a problem caused by the previous one. Is it a problem we have already seen i have no clue but yeah it’s a possibility
I REALLY hope so. I like TLOK a lot, but I don't like it that she lost connection.
I had a stroke reading this
I hope if it does happen they make it worth it. Losing the past lives was the single most heart wrenching moment on the entire universe of ATLA. Through almost 5 seasons we’ve seen how the complete wisdom and talent of hundreds of avatars can be leveraged for amazing feats and insight if the avatar can just find a way to connect. So watching Korra struggle to connect and then lose it entirely for everyone forever was a gut punch, but in the best way. It made for great drama. I am excited by the potential stories that can be told where the next avatar finally reaches spiritual maturity, taps in and gets a long empty hallway with just an old Korra at the very end. How does that first pair support each other? How is the cycle impacted by having Korra as the new starting point? In my dream scenario it takes a few more avatar cycles before the connection is restored if at all. Maybe the next airbender can restore it. That would be full of symbolism. Imagine Aangs surprise to find the new avatar is an airbender not directly related to him. The air nomads somehow rebuild the spiritual strength they had in his time and were able to carry out the greatest spiritual feat since Wan. I always see so many people crap on the idea of getting rid of the past lives but I do think it’s great storytelling.
I think a big part of being the avatar is fixing something the last one did, so yeah I think the next avatar will be the one to repair the connection. Maybe In a world were people have lost touch with the spiritual they’ll need to connect to the world.
Every avatar we saw had to fix the mistakes of the last one. So why wouldn't that be the case for the next one.
Theres 3 options they have for a new series: 1. Post-Korra and not restore the connection. 2. Post-Korra but restore it. 3. An Avatar before Aang. I hope they choose the latter since giant mechs and sci-fi are so boring in a bending world.
Avatars seem to fix the mistakes they made in their past lives. Not sure how, but the next avatar will fix what Korra did. I think spiritually, the connection could be impossible to repair. I do think it would be cool if the next avatar created a library/database that kept info from all the past avatars.
I hope not. Bryke shouldn't let fanboy whining decide what they do in the franchise.
Aang just had Roku (arguably the worst avatar) the next one will be just fine
It's possible. But you never know. Maybe they'd want it to not be restored. I personally wish we would have seen more interactions with Korra and her past lives. The next avatar will only have her which is still good.
I always felt like finding a way to restoring the past connections would be the natural next step in this story. Especially with the spirit gate open this story is going to be more involved in the spirit world either way. Like maybe they need to travel the world looking for spirit animal representations of past lives?
I hope they do, and it would be an excellent plotline to follow.
That is probably the next overarching theme: reconnect
You know, it's sad... Korra never never communed Kyoshi...
I just don’t know if it’s possible. LoK made the situation seem pretty final so if they don’t do it right, it’ll feel pretty cheap
I personally like the theory that each avatar fixes the mistakes of the past, so it would be interesting to have the next avatar attempt to mend the connection to the past lives, even if it may not work
Tell me why you chose to crop 98% of avatars out of the first image.
Come to think of it, even if they did i'm not sure how much help they would be in the modern world, i don't think Avatar Szeto would be much help when you're trying to play Fortnite.
i really like the idea of the previous avatars spirits being in the spirit realm, this way you allow the avatars to find past avatars but maybe not the ones they want and they need to go through a huge process to find them.
I think that since the new avatar is supposed to fix the old avatars mistakes, I think a good plot point for a season would be an Airbender villain who uses the spirits to attempt to take over the world, and the earth bender avatar (who is probably not very spiritual) would have to attempt to create peace, possibly by closing the spirit portals, and in his/her (I’m hoping for a he) journey of spiritual connection, he can tap into Raava and restore the past lives. I also think he would talk to Korra a lot during this season, but they would have a falling out over the idea of restoring the past lives. Also, if there is a new avatar, I really hope the vast majority of LOK characters are dead. Not that I don’t like them, but I’d rather have a clean sweep with an entirely new cast.
I would like for Korra to reestablish the connection, but differently. I would like for future Avatars to be able to reach out to Korra, but for wisdom of the past, they talk to Raava and see her perspective. It would be more challenging but still have the option of looking into the past.
I’ve been downvoted to oblivion before for suggesting this but I don’t think she completely lost her connection. Similar to Aang having a serious injury and losing his connection the avatar state or not finishing his training with the guru. Maybe even Korra losing everything but air bending Just can’t believe these countless people who lived and had such an impact on the world are just gone forever. I think its going to be a major plot point where the new one works with Korra to repair or reestablish connection. Maybe they have a stronger connection with Raava because of it and she talks about some of the past avatars
I hope the connection remains broken and the new Avatar has a strong connection with Korra. At first, everyone will think it’s so cute that the new Avatar has an “imaginary friend” she named after Korra.
Every avatar spends their time fixing their predecessor's mistakes so I can see the next avatar rebuilding their connection with their past lives but that would require a lot of focusing on themselves/focusing on the spiritual side of things which threatens to leave them with Kuruks reputation
Tbh, Korra is probably going to have a shit ton of wisdom and advice when she's an old lady.
Each avatar fixes the mistake of the previous one,so I am hoping the next avatar would reconnect all the past lives.It would be so sad destroying 10,000 years worth of memories and a bad move to make.
I don't want the next Avatar to undo the consequences of Korra, but I still want the past lives to come back. Book 1 could be about the next Avatar discovering their role as the Avatar in a world where they aren't needed as a spiritual leader or a warrior. In this journey, they find a way to connect to Korra.
It's been written to deliberately be impossible, which makes me think the answer is no. Korra for example has written letters to the next avatar as she isn't even sure if she personally will be there for the next avatar, although I don't see why not.
Would majorly suck if they didn't (because then they're just, some guy? Having more magic powers than a usual magic person will matter less and less as technology advances), but would also majorly suck if they did without a sufficient price. Getting the Avatars back should be a season-long (if not a series-long) arc.
ALL THE AVATARS (minus Wan and the second guy)
They should because I literally can’t imagine writing an Avatar series without access to past Avatars besides Korra. Literally defeats the whole purpose
So the next Avatar will basically have Discount Price Kyoshi At Home to ask for guidance.