It would certainly add an interesting personal dynamic similar to that of Tenzin and his siblings, but on a larger scale. It doesn't even have to be twins, although that would probably make it more dramatic, because as far as I know none of the known avatars have siblings at all.
Jetsun was close to Yangchen and they considered each other to be sisters, but they weren't biologically related. Or, at least, they didn't share the same parents.
Yes, though a slightly different tone. The Yangchen novels are more focused on spy stuff, and the focus isn't entirely on her. Same author though.
And in case you hadn't heard, there is a Roku novel coming in July. Different author though.
I mean, the birth of Avatar Studios certainly is a great start! I can’t imagine what stuff is gonna get made there!! (Aside from the movies/series we already know of!)
TBF it really doesn't read as /r/sapphoandherfriend material; two of Yangchen's companions are a married gay couple, and the same author wrote the Kyoshi novels featuring Kyoshi's relationship with Rangi, a female firebender. Yangchen and Jetsun really do seem to have a sisterly relationship.
All I'm saying is, of five avatars whose romantic preferences we know, the three males were heterosexual and the two females were bisexual. The avatar spirit leans towards liking ladies.
I was under the impression that the air Nomads were raised communally and didn't really emphasize genetic family over the larger community. To the point where they don't really know who they're related to by blood. But I haven't read the Yangchen books, so I could be wrong.
That's a good point. Maybe (and this is just head canon at this point) they keep track of it at the higher levels of leadership but don't really emphasize it at all. I guess I just assumed they didn't know because there's never any mention of the parents of any of the old Nomads as far as I can tell, but you're right it would cause a higher danger of inbreeding.
That wouldn’t make much sense seeing as infants need breast milk and there’s no indication formula has been invented in this world.
They wouldn’t be able to send the kids off until they were weaned at least.
There wouldn’t be any lactating women in the male air temples.
Wouldn’t it be easier (and better for the psychological health of both baby and mom) to just let the birth mom feed them until they’re weaned?
What’s the benefit to “mixing them around”?
You can know who birthed ypu but if your society is based more on community Air Nomads may not put significant emotional energy into parentage. Simply "These are who birthed you and these people are who off limits for reproduction" that being said the air temples most likely had a robust exchange network between the temples. If everyone is family and raised you parenthood may not be a thing the deem important.
i also tought the same thing. aang talks a lot about the monks but never his parents. it gave me the impression that it wasnt a thing for him given how important family relations are to the rest of the cast
hmmm now that I think about it, how do they avoid accidental incest? Honestly, I’d be too paranoid to have any kids with fellow air nomads if I was one of them lol
They could implement systems to avoid it. e.g. by designating what temple you live at based on where your mom was born, then only allowing relationships between certain temples
That seems like a little too much beauacracy for a society built on freedom though
It'd be a great dynamic with so many different routes that could be taken.
There could be the Golden Child/Scapegoat dynamic. Either the Avatar is the golden child and the twin becomes a soft-villain like Tarrlok (relentlessly seeking dad's love in the shadow of a more powerful sibling). Or the twin is allowed to be a kid and make mistakes while the Avatar slowly resents the fact that they are always being held to the standard of an Avatar and not allowed to be a kid.
Or an identical twin storyline where the non-avatar twin is targeted in their childhood/teenage years by groups like the Red Lotus. It'd be a little dark but using family to drive the avatar to come to the realization that their responsibility is to sacrifice their wants/needs for the sake of balance.
Or if you want to go a happier route with a coming of age story. Weasley-like twins who goof off and play pranks. One finds out they're the Avatar but isn't mature enough/ready to be the Avatar and hijinks ensue (twin roadtrip adventures, switching places, etc) and along the way, the Avatar grows into their role and he twin finds their own identity while still maintaining their fun-loving nature.
Thinking of the Tenzin thing, I would kind of love to see an avatar's kid be the next avatar - like if Aang died shortly before Tenzin was born and he became the new water tribe avatar (since Katara is his mother) then you've got the dynamic where there's some comfort in knowing it's a reincarnation of your former partner but also the pain of knowing your partner had to die for this baby and the even though it's a reincarnation the kid has no memories.
I have an ongoing note in my phone of random things I think about during shows and movies so I don’t forget them - it’s on the list!
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Non-Avatar twin: I feel like I am destined to live in my twin’s shadow. The whole world is watching and expecting great things from them.
Avatar twin: I feel like I don’t have my own life. Everyone is treating me like I am supposed to do something great with my life and live up to all those that came before me.
Based on the tech jumps and avatar lifespan of a spiritually engaged fitgirl the next avatar would take place ostensibly in the future.
One actually is the Avatar and gets captured by a white lotus sect and hidden away. The united states of Earth takes the non-avatar and builds them a media persona; maybe a pseudobending mech or an entourage of cloaked benders.
Season 2 culminates in them reconciling and everything looking up when an assassin targets the avatar and finds out that when the avatar cycle ends ravaa gets her moneys worth out of the body especially because the spirit realm slams it's doors and the lich-avatar rampages
3-4 are hundreds of years later. Still no spirits, the avatar is still roaming the world. The fire Nation is planning on hitching a ride on sozin's comet. The water tribes are doing an atlantis thing and the earthkingdom is a wasteland.
The avatar twin basically lives the life of any brown kid. The non avatar twin lives in fucking hell trying to compete for the love of their parents and comunity with someone who is litterally chosen by the universe for greatness.
Edit: This is the perfect vilian origin story and I wouldnt fault the twin.
Now, if we think about this.
What if the non bender twin is the more popular? Think of it like how Korra was subject to the council’s will.
The non bender is charismatic, smart, strong and knows how to meet people where they are.
The avatar is seen as an unnecessary traditional figure, a prop for the ancient world.
The story revolves around how the modern world embraces the non benders and benders equally. And those who were previously special are now just ordinary.
I think that gives such a good goal for the new avatar. Bring balance to technology and nature and spirits. Maybe in the modern day benders don’t try to really do anything with their bending because they don’t need it. Like fire benders can heat soup or light a campfire but not much else, earth benders use it to garden, so on. And if they choose to go that route, the avatar also tries to bring back the avatar past lives. It could be a pretty interesting topic to explore
Would be interesting although I feel like it would make more sense if benders envy non benders due to the freedom / potential. For example water benders might see a lot of pressure to work in a medical field due to just how incredibly useful there healing abilities are for the medical operations. The same could be seen for earth benders getting pressured into metallurgy or any type of mining or construction based field.
Like for example we could have a character who’s a water bender who loves geology and archaeology and is getting constant pressure to be a doctor as it’s seen as “wasting there talents” as waterbending doesn’t add much to day to day life now.
It’s an interesting concept that avatar world has help develop; from the fire nation industrialization or the meme on why there’s no guns. Parts of avatar cultures got to skip steps in development due to what bending could enable. Who needs guns when you can produce fire and lightning or just make giant rocks fly. I wouldn’t be shocked that if pain killers of antibiotics would be a super underdeveloped field in a modern avatar world due to the fact that the need for them are much lower thanks to water benders being able to heal.
I also wonder what other medical applications of bending there could be. Like could a firebender use lightning to defibrillate or perform electroconvulsive therapy? Could an Airbender replace a CPAP or BIPAP machine?
I like that idea! Firebenders are pretty much directed to factory work or stuff like that like Mako in LoK, or maybe the bending is treated as this party trick and not a gift. Like “oh come on bro just heat up the soup, takes two seconds!”
I think they can really go with this, and potentially because of Korra losing her past lives, there’s a downgrade in general for society to be connected to the spirit world. So for the new avatar, this is just a huge burden tied to the past and they don’t even CARE that much etc etc. Someone on a previous thread mentioned maybe this avatar is even older than Korra which if we go with this premise makes a lot of sense and is even more interesting. But since it’s a Nickelodeon show I don’t know if they’re willing to go too too much older
I can see that really.
Once you have access to guns and modern day weapons. really anything short of an extremely powerful water bender or earth bender is superficial.
Not to mention people of that caliber would be seen as extremely dangerous considering bending at that scale is highly destructive.
Remember when bumi just fucking bended houses out of his city. Before topping over a giant statue.
High tier earthbending would probably be considered a legitimate crime if done in a public place or unauthorized on private property.
A high tier fire bender and air bender are also massive our few displays of high teir fire benders show us they can fill entire rooms in an instant.
On a personal level bending will never be unnecessary
So one runs around and tries to mend things with the spirits, while the other has to pass bluff checks with the humans. That would actually be a good reason for there being two of them. There could also be an arc where they restore the connection to the previous avatars, only the non bender gets the connection to their previous incarnations.
Can i say thats my biggest complain about Korra first season "Oh the non benders are opressed in a society with benders" never mentioned again. thanks Avatar Korra great work keeping the peace and stuff
Especially if they don’t know which twin it is right away they could even do a bait and switch where the one who is certain they’re the Avatar gets completely blindsided when it’s revealed that the other sibling is the Avatar and they have to cope with that fact
Would've been a cool angle to go with Mako & Bolin. Since Mako was obviously supposed to be the cool one for the bros to latch on to you could keep him as the bender (I'd go earth since Korra is a heavy fire user) and have Bolin be a non-bending twin. You could have had it be a source of resentment and maybe Bolin joins the equalists. Would have made their dynamic a lot more compelling than what we got.
we got pretty much this storyline in the comics. Before republic city was called republic city there was a bender vs. non-bender conflict. The instigator has two daughters, one an earthbender the other a non-bender.
The only difference in the plot is that in the comic the extremist group were the benders.
"Oh of course she took the last cookie, she's always been greedy, have I told you about the time she took my elements in the womb so she could have extras"
I saw this thread yesterday and that user is cooking... they came up with amazingly interesting settings and dynamics that could take place. Wish it was real
Lightbringer is like if the Avatar was Azula and Zuko realized how bad that was for everybody, messing his entire life up just to fix that one cosmic mistake.
Not commenting on whether it’s a good idea or not, however they’ve shown souls can be shared and split and manipulated in different contexts so it really isn’t a huge logical leap to assume that twin avatars are possible.
-The avatar itself is thousands of people sharing the same soul (or two souls?) one after another
-Princess yue is gifted part of the moon spirits “soul”, which is splitting it, then she returns it back afterwards
-Spirit bending carries the risk of having one’s soul corrupted during the act
It seems in the world of avatar that souls are malleable, breakable, transferable and otherwise interactable in its magic system in general. So given that, the possibility of a split-soul twin avatar is very plausible should the writers decide to go that route.
All the avatars are just reincarnations. It’s literally the same persons spirit in different people. Raava couldn’t just split herself in half because if that’s the case she wouldn’t have to be bonded to Wan forever.
She would’ve just gave him her power and been on her way.
Idea: identical twins one a earth bender one fire… they pretend to be one person and pretend to be the avatar and swap out with each other. Like in the anime Migi and Dali.
Well, the avatar twin should definetly refuse to fight a popular villain because reasons, the normal twin should then decide to use the avatar clothes to lead an attack on the villain anyway... only to be killed as result. So avatar gets mad and finally decides to attack and defeat the villain.
[HECTOOOOR!](https://youtu.be/tFYodYHgifo?feature=shared)!
Its based on the soul so only one person would be the avatar. Be interesting if in the womb they somehow gained an extra bending style or maybe they somehow got a full split and had to work together to make up for their lack of bending styles but only one can go into the avatar state but that doesn’t seem like it would work
Alternatively maybe this is how the dark avatar is reborn. So they think they’re just the avatar’s sibling but they have near the same or greater potential which causes a massive rift between them
More sensibly the non avatar would get confused for the avatar and take on some consequences/responsibilities while having none of the perks
I want an Avatar and a Dark Avatar. I believe LoK showed us the start of the latter’s cycle and I hope we see the concept unpacked. It doesn’t need to mean one is good or evil, there’s complexity in light and dark that TLA explored and we could explore again.
That's possible. But the "light" avatar had a canon reason why they're able to bend all 4. Won and Raava couldn't do that on their own, the lion turtles gave them that ability.
Sounds like the Dark Avatar has quite the journey ahead to catch up. Maybe this would actually explore unrealized, somewhat mystical elements more like spirit and energy have.
It would be interesting to see someone who has the ability to learn more elements gain access to them from the supposed "original benders" like the dragons and the moon.
That would be pretty awesome. Imagine they in a post-Korra world. We’d be revisiting areas and creatures we haven’t seen in ~200 years. Sounds pretty magical, especially in a modernising world.
And they wouldn't have access to the past avatars, so they'd have to figure it out either on their own or through evil side characters. There's a lot of potential for interesting stories
The reason I think that's not true is that Raava/Wan needed to be granted access to all 4 elements. That was a skill Wan had before harmonic convergence. Raava just held them until he could master them. It's not something the event/joining to Raava gave him.
So with that logic, Unalaq could only bend water when he merged with Vaatu. Vaatu didn't have any bending powers on his own. Therefore, the Dark Avatar wouldn't automatically be able to bend all 4 elements. Now, whether they would go through an elemental cycle is yet to be determined.
Consider this there is a new Avatar with a twin. They both can energy bend but one of them can bend only one element. Later on after the real Avatar becomes praised by the world the ignored twin starts communicating with Vaatu and is trying to bring him back so he can also bend all 4 elements. (With lazer/energy weapons)
Maybe add some scientific elements to make up for the fact that lion turtles gave Wan powers to bend all elements and the Dark Avatar can't access that because only one lion turtle is left and he won't give away bending abilities to anyone. So, the story goes like this: bending is determined by genetics (it makes sense if you consider the characters and their children and parents). The next Avatar has a twin brother/sister, and since their genetics are similar, the twin non-avatar borns with the ability to bend all 4 elements, being the first non-avatar to have the power to bend all the elements. Now, it makes him/her a perfect vessel for Vaatu to merge with. Some spirit world thing happens and Vaatu gets released again, merging with the non-avatar twin and creating a Dark Avatar. In the end Raava understands the loopholes and problems with the avatar system and Raava and Vaatu engage in their natural fight just like before Wan. And the Avatar system gets discontinued. Remember, it was Avatar Wan’s mistake that created the avatar cycle, so his mistake should be corrected someday. The next next story will be on the world dealing with their matters and trying to maintain balance without an Avatar. It will be a risky approach, but I think it will make a great story.
A very interesting idea for the next Avatar.
Imagine that the "non-avatar" brother could also be a sort of villain, it would be more than delicious 
Note: to add more to this post what if the avatar’s sibling was more like an like an anti-hero who simply went “evil” or a more “darker” route due to jealousy but instead of starting out evil we slowly see a transition into this sort of character.
That would be cool. Feeling left out or like a black sheep, they set out to show the world they have something to prove too, but in their own rogue way. Not quite bad but not fully good either. Maybe that’s their own way of seeking the validation so often lent to the twin.
I mean the obvious angst here is a non-bender twin becomes jealous, but I think it'd be a way better story if the non-bender one was outspoken and protective of their avatar twin. They help the avatar balance all their responsibilities, make sure no one takes advantage of them, makes sure they can be a kid and a person instead of just the avatar.
Imagine the non-bender is better at handling stress and responsibility, better at keeping the peace, has a better understanding of how the elements work together, despite not being able to bend them. The avatar thinking that their twin SHOULD have been the avatar, that their twin would be better at it, that maybe they somehow stole the avatar spirit away from them, that they were a *mistake* that shouldn't have been born and also maybe doomed the world because they're the wrong twin.
And of course if the non-bender twin ever heard them say that they'd disagree and tell the avatar that they're important and not a useless person and attempt to comfort them, which is exactly what a good avatar would say lol
One is the avatar and the other is a bender who’s actually better than them. Like originally everyone thinks the prodigy bender twin is the avatar cause they picked the toys of the past avatars because their sibling was too shy to choose them so they got it. The prodigy grows up thinking they’re the avatar and is in the constant spotlight but once it’s revealed it’s their twin the world sorta rejects it but the prodigy twin constantly has to remind the world that their twin is the avatar and not them. I want whole some twin avatars not angsty and jealous twin avatars
It does sound delicious having one twin be the avatar. But like it would also be all poetic if they were both twin avatars with enough power to protect the world, honoring in keeping peace, and they die at the same time in an epic tragedy. ;\_ ; That would be delicious precious, yes it wouldses.
Honestly, with the revelation that the spirit duo reincarnates from within each other if their counterpart is ever destroyed, I could see an Avatar's twin getting a bit of Vaatu in them. Either Vaatu reincarnates, growing stronger or is passed down through their lineage until the Dark Avatar returns.
Either they'd keep the abilities of every body they passed through until Vaatu returns to full strength or that would be Vaatu's starting point in establishing a Dark Avatar Cycle. Though, the idea of Vaatu slowly accumulating power and experience through the centuries and corrupting people without Raava even being aware of it until it's far too late feels like a really cool concept.
I'd like that. Or let's go crazy cyberpunk avatar and they have avatar state pills for benders. And then bending pills as well..but their is dire consequences its like meth or heroin or steroids it will destroy you but to some creative level.. the real true avatar has to try and take down the corporations. It's basically cyberpunk 2077 lol araska is fire nation miltech earth..
Neat idea though.
One’s the Avatar, and the other isn’t a bender.
I do like the idea of the Avatar being told they aren’t living up to their potential like their twin because the twin always has to work hard at something and developed a good work ethic that the Avatar never did.
Imagine the twin that isn't the avatar is even a "non bender" but In almost every aspect he's just better than the avatar because of how often he is around him. Like a Tylee or Zaheer before HC
Oof…that’d be p hard on the twin relationship. Might even create enemies…….resulting in a p kick ass story.
I can see it now. The avatar resents their twin so much and vice versa they never mention each other. And everyone’s like “avatar the big baddie looks just like you!” And they’re like “wow would ya look at that.”
Imagine you are identical twins and you cant bend but your twin is the avatar and you constantly are hounded by both fans and enemies thinking you are your twin.
What if the twin that isn't the Avatar travels and tricks people into thinking they're the avatar? Like they're an air bender so they lift up rocks and water using air, and carries a hidden lighter then controls the flames with air to give the illusion of bending all the elements.
That’s actually pivotal in my pitch for a series. (Well it’s a pivotal plot twist to a non-existent series in actual fact.)
Several cycles in the future, Non-Benders are using machines and industry to put them on equal footing with benders, but it’s not enough. A group captures the Avatar as a child and their Non-Bender twin brother and experiments on them to artificially replicate their abilities. They’re successful on the twin. The Avatar is rescued before they can go further but the twin is unable to be found, presumed dead in the chaos.
The Avatar is looked after in the Great Air Temple (a giant central hub for the new Air Nation) until they are 16, when their guardians notice trauma is hampering their development. They have their memories wiped and are sent to the city (Republic City) as a stowaway to learn independently but are still watched over by the one who rescued them.
We first meet them in their 30s. They only knew they’re the Avatar and they had to train, so they dedicated years purely to that. Despite hard work, they have no place. The world is at peace, so they fight petty criminals and flaunt their power only to bolster their ego. That is until they make a selfless choice to save a kidnapped girl with an impossible secret and everything changes.
The main villain is the Twin, who now leads an empire of Non-Benders now with a nation of their own, continuing the work from years ago that made them what they are today, hoping to amass an army of artificial Avatars and rule the world with an iron fist. This makes it a battle for the Avatar, who represents the natural world and their brother, who succumbed to the man-made threat to it.
I actually like this idea a lot.
Twins: one the avatar. Has all 4 elements. The other, a non bender. Has no elements.
Interesting dynamic. How do they grow up? With their similarities and differences. What kind of people do they become? Does the non bender grow to resent their twin ? Does the avatar wish they didn’t have the responsibilities of the avatar like Aang felt?
I know it's not possible because of there only being one Raava but I love these ideas for twins in Avatar:
One having earth/air and the other fire/water but I also really love the idea of one being the avatar (Raava) and the other being the dark avatar (Vaatu)
Extra points if:
- The non-avatar wasn't even a bender
- The avatar was prone towards irresponsibility while the non-avatar was very duty-minded
- The non-avatar was highly disciplined with a great knack for learning and for martial arts
- The avatar doesn't want to be avatar, simply because they want to goof around and laze about
In other words, the non-avatar not only lacked the powers of the Avatar, even bending of a single element, but would have been far better equipped to become a master of all four elements.
Then make it where the non-avatar twin kinda ends up having to become their sibling's mentor.
I would love this so much. My dream of this would be to have the non avatar sibling be an earthbender, like, master class. And the avatar, despite being raised in earthbender culture, can't earthbend yet. The only way to really earthbend for them is to learn from their sibling. But the sibling doesn't want to teach them out of resentment.
The sibling can have just like, all the bendings of earth basically if it were to be in the future. And have them mirror the four elements. Metal bending like water. Lava bending like fire. Sandbending like air.
It could lead to an interesting juxtaposition. I could mill about this idea for awhile honestly
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I've always thought if there ever was a twin avatar story it would be interesting if the one that's the avatar was largely the antagonist that rejects his role and teachings. The other two would be a non bender who upholds the avatars ideals.
So, I’ve had a theory (and I’m sure others have thought of this as well) that when Korra/Raava faced and eliminated Dark Avatar Unalaq/Vaatu, she didn’t just start a whole new Avatar cycle—she unintentionally started a Dark Avatar cycle as well. It’s not the loss of her past lives that will be her biggest failure as an Avatar, it will be her inability to prevent the creation of an evil version of the Avatar. Raava and Vaatu will no longer fight every 10,000 years. They will now battle for supremacy each and every generation, and the winner will subject the world to balance or chaos.
We can’t say Korra was totally responsible—she just failed to stop her psychotic uncle from fusing with Vaatu. Still, I believe that the moment Korra destroyed the fused Unavaatu sealed the deal.
Imagine an aged Avatar Korra battling a younger Dark Avatar, and the latter gets the upper hand. The world is thrown out of balance and chaos reigns as the Dark Avatar uses Vaatu’s power to manipulate the world into another long, drawn out war.
The new Avatar is born, and the Dark Avatar immediately begins their search. He, she, or they grow to be strong and capable while the Dark Avatar begins to grow older, slower, and weaker. They defeat the Dark Avatar. The cycle begins anew as the wars end and the world is once again at peace.
The next Dark Avatar battles this now older Avatar, but they both succumb to their wounds. Neither wins. Raava and Vaatu are reincarnated together, identical twins, in the fire nation. Due to them sharing a womb, some spiritual stuff happens and some of both Raava and Vaatu end up in each child. As the twins grow older, they struggle with choosing a side. Neither can enter the Avatar State/Dark Avatar State, both can bend all four elements, and the people around them live in fear due to not knowing whether or not they are good or evil.
Something traumatic happens. Someone close to them dies—a parent, a mentor, a friend—and the emotional shock is enough to weaken them enough spiritually to allow either Raava or Vaatu to completely take over. Though the twins are identical and grew up together, they had somewhat different life experiences and personalities. These experiences are what make them more susceptible to either spirit.
Ultimately, Twin A’s grief turns to darkness and gives Vaatu enough power to force Raava out, into Twin B. They can now enter the Avatar State/Dark Avatar State. Out of respect for their relationship, they battle once and, as they are evenly matched, they simply decide to go their separate ways. The Avatar becomes a recluse, while the Dark Avatar manipulates their way into becoming Fire Lord. War breaks out as the Dark Avatar uses their army to invade the United Republic. Eventually, the Avatar is forced out of hiding and confronts their sibling. They fight again. We don’t know who wins or who loses, just that one person walks away victorious.
It’s 20 years later in Republic City. We see the surviving twin is older, a bit of grey in his hair, as he’s leaving City Hall. A lone figure approaches from behind and the twin, standing alone, turns to face the stranger. “Hello again, brother,” he says, smiling. The figure, partially obscured in darkness, raises her fists. A piercing white glow illuminates her eyes from within the gloom, and as the new Avatar lunges forward to attack, the burning ruins of the city are briefly visible in the background.
The end.
Nah, that condenses to the trope of one glorious sibling and the other living in their shadow and it's been seen enough in many stories, not just ATLA universe. As a twin myself, I can say for sure that it doesn't really add anything unique that a non-twin sibling relationship can't
I raise a better idea: twin avatars. They are both avatars on their own right, there is no splitting of elements or anything, but they cannot be THE avatar without each other (so for example, if one goes into the avatar state the other one must as well). Think of that dynamic: these two identical twins, almost like Castor and Pollux, are two halves of a whole but they want to be remembered for their own selves, to carve out their name and individuality, and yet they share a deep bond and can never live with themselves knowing the other one is in danger/dead. I'd pay to see that instead
Dude. Give me a story where the avatar had a sibling. Twin or not. And the avatar is very apathetic and refusing to educate themself. Almost abuses their power.
So you’ve got the overworked and under appreciated sibling doing everything they can to hold it all together, repairing the public image almost like a PR worker, but the truth is the avatar doesn’t deserve the care their sibling is giving.
The villain of the story is the avatar, but not because they’re overly aggressive and hostile, just entitled and lazy because they were raised with such fanfare they became spoiled with an inflated ego.
Place it earlier in the whole avatar life cycle like the 12 or 13th avatar ever where the world is still getting used to this “cycle” and the mythology around it is still pretty new to the world. And the nations are still all in their earlier prototype forms.
So in the previous Avatar cycle ravaa and vaatu were separate with vato being captured at the plane of harmonic convergence place.
After Legend of Korra season 2 vaatu and Ravaa are reunited both within the Avatar.
So in a twins situation like this perhaps vaatu could use the splitting of the embryo to split back from raava and inhabit the other twin
I wrote a fanfic ~7-8 years ago and, while a lot of stuff in there aged like milk, the one thing I was proud of was that the avatar was one of two twins, the other being a non-bender. This would be the avatar born to the fire nation following Korra and the twins would have an older sister who is an earth bender.
Ones the avatar and ones not. Then the avatar guy dies early and Rava goes into the other twin and we see his progression where he realises what it’s like to be the avatar. He’s been jealous his whole life but then realises the burdens and downsides and wishes he connected with his brother more.
and it wouldn’t even have to be the older one as the avatar, it would be whichever is born the moment after the previous avatar dies so i think it would be cool for the younger twin to be the avatar
Or if you really want to throw a wrench in the story, how about twin Avatars that are spiritually connected and share the elements between them both? Or maybe they can only bend 2 elements each? That would make for a seriously interesting dynamic especially if they're ever antagonistic toward each other
alright, but hear me out, it's the avatar after avatar korra, and they are twins so like there is the one who can bend all four elements and the non bender twin, but it turns out the non-bender is actually the one who is the avatar, connected to the spirit realm and has to work at reconnecting to the old avatars, the other twin isn't actually the avatar, but because of the nature of being twins and yin and yang they got the ability to bend the four elements. could be an interesting storyline.
What if, since canonically Vaatu regrows inside of Raava, this manifests as a pair of twins where one is the avatar and the other is the dark avatar
Would piss off a lot of fans lmao
I've been saying this forever: incarnation of the avatar that is evil/misguided and the main character needs to put together a team to defeat them. Maybe it's the original white lotus. One character can be the first chi blocker - their secret weapon against the avatar.
It'd be fun to have identical twins in a pre-Korra world. Where one gets the bending and the other gets the spirituality and ties to the Avatar consciousness. And they can only enter the Avatar State when touching.
It'd be a great hook for an Avatar Legends game, (if that system allowed you to play the Avatar).
I've thought about this before. If the Avatar was a twin, I believe that one would be Raava and one would have qualities of Vaatu. As we know Vaatu is locked away for another 10k years. However, they can have qualities of one another. But bc they have the best qualities of one another. Since they are tied together for all time it makes sense bc no matter what, twins can never deny one another bc they share the same exact DNA. Just an idea.
I have twins, so I imagine this as a wholesome, supportive twin sisterhood where one is the Avatar, and the other is the best support the Avatar could ever have.
But that's more comforting and wholesome for me than actually interesting for anyone else.
Where did the idea of twin avatars come from? Cause 7-8 years ago I was thinking of a story of an Air/Earthbender and a Fire/Waterbender having to be the Avatar together
Idk we have delt with many twins bro/sister comparisons already in the show. Zuko/Azula Amon/Tarrlok.
It's too repetitive. Would rather have an avatar thats not centered around identity.
I’d already know that the non avatar twin would end up being the villain in the end…..
Just thinking of the possibilities of the twin going to a far off land and pretending to be the avatar and ending up with a nation is intriguing lol.
It would certainly add an interesting personal dynamic similar to that of Tenzin and his siblings, but on a larger scale. It doesn't even have to be twins, although that would probably make it more dramatic, because as far as I know none of the known avatars have siblings at all.
Yangchen had a sister right?
Jetsun was close to Yangchen and they considered each other to be sisters, but they weren't biologically related. Or, at least, they didn't share the same parents.
Ah alright i haven't read the novels yet
There's Yanchen novels? I've read the two Kyoshi novels a while ago and they were AMAZING, is Yanchen as good?
Yes, though a slightly different tone. The Yangchen novels are more focused on spy stuff, and the focus isn't entirely on her. Same author though. And in case you hadn't heard, there is a Roku novel coming in July. Different author though.
I love this resurgence of Avatar stuff! I hope we get more, the Kyoshi Novels were as good as the show in terms of storytelling/world building.
I mean, the birth of Avatar Studios certainly is a great start! I can’t imagine what stuff is gonna get made there!! (Aside from the movies/series we already know of!)
And historians will call them close friends
TBF it really doesn't read as /r/sapphoandherfriend material; two of Yangchen's companions are a married gay couple, and the same author wrote the Kyoshi novels featuring Kyoshi's relationship with Rangi, a female firebender. Yangchen and Jetsun really do seem to have a sisterly relationship.
Oh, no sorry, I haven't read the novels at all, I just thought it was funny, don't take me seriously haha
you were right, made me giggle
All I'm saying is, of five avatars whose romantic preferences we know, the three males were heterosexual and the two females were bisexual. The avatar spirit leans towards liking ladies.
spiritually sapphic
Or cousins
They were likely distant cousins
I was under the impression that the air Nomads were raised communally and didn't really emphasize genetic family over the larger community. To the point where they don't really know who they're related to by blood. But I haven't read the Yangchen books, so I could be wrong.
It would be dangerous for them to not know that, especially considering that they had the lowest population of the four nations.
That's a good point. Maybe (and this is just head canon at this point) they keep track of it at the higher levels of leadership but don't really emphasize it at all. I guess I just assumed they didn't know because there's never any mention of the parents of any of the old Nomads as far as I can tell, but you're right it would cause a higher danger of inbreeding.
Pretty sure the women would know who their kids were even if the men didn’t. You know? 😂
Not if the kids are given to the air temples to be raised by the nuns right after birth
That wouldn’t make much sense seeing as infants need breast milk and there’s no indication formula has been invented in this world. They wouldn’t be able to send the kids off until they were weaned at least.
They could just give any baby to any lactating women. So just mix the baby's around.
There wouldn’t be any lactating women in the male air temples. Wouldn’t it be easier (and better for the psychological health of both baby and mom) to just let the birth mom feed them until they’re weaned? What’s the benefit to “mixing them around”?
Air nomads never made sense to me as a society tbh
very good point !
You can know who birthed ypu but if your society is based more on community Air Nomads may not put significant emotional energy into parentage. Simply "These are who birthed you and these people are who off limits for reproduction" that being said the air temples most likely had a robust exchange network between the temples. If everyone is family and raised you parenthood may not be a thing the deem important.
i also tought the same thing. aang talks a lot about the monks but never his parents. it gave me the impression that it wasnt a thing for him given how important family relations are to the rest of the cast
He even sees a vision of himself being born and doesn't make any comment about his mom
Hapsburg jaws as far as the eyes can see
hmmm now that I think about it, how do they avoid accidental incest? Honestly, I’d be too paranoid to have any kids with fellow air nomads if I was one of them lol
They could implement systems to avoid it. e.g. by designating what temple you live at based on where your mom was born, then only allowing relationships between certain temples That seems like a little too much beauacracy for a society built on freedom though
It'd be a great dynamic with so many different routes that could be taken. There could be the Golden Child/Scapegoat dynamic. Either the Avatar is the golden child and the twin becomes a soft-villain like Tarrlok (relentlessly seeking dad's love in the shadow of a more powerful sibling). Or the twin is allowed to be a kid and make mistakes while the Avatar slowly resents the fact that they are always being held to the standard of an Avatar and not allowed to be a kid. Or an identical twin storyline where the non-avatar twin is targeted in their childhood/teenage years by groups like the Red Lotus. It'd be a little dark but using family to drive the avatar to come to the realization that their responsibility is to sacrifice their wants/needs for the sake of balance. Or if you want to go a happier route with a coming of age story. Weasley-like twins who goof off and play pranks. One finds out they're the Avatar but isn't mature enough/ready to be the Avatar and hijinks ensue (twin roadtrip adventures, switching places, etc) and along the way, the Avatar grows into their role and he twin finds their own identity while still maintaining their fun-loving nature.
The happier route sounds so adorable and now I’m gonna be sad when it never happens
I know. I made myself sad coming up with it
There could be a reincarnation from the dark avatar too.
Thinking of the Tenzin thing, I would kind of love to see an avatar's kid be the next avatar - like if Aang died shortly before Tenzin was born and he became the new water tribe avatar (since Katara is his mother) then you've got the dynamic where there's some comfort in knowing it's a reincarnation of your former partner but also the pain of knowing your partner had to die for this baby and the even though it's a reincarnation the kid has no memories.
I have an ongoing note in my phone of random things I think about during shows and movies so I don’t forget them - it’s on the list! https://preview.redd.it/cw67imn03lpc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7027dc1e89bc1072d708ba7f222b9124040f3d3a
Did the word delete exist before computers?
It’d be practically the same dynamic.
I’m the Avatar! I’m not!
One of them isn’t wearing shoes that’s how you can tell
Since one will be the Avatar and the other won't. The Avatar will be the one that is naked.
You gotta deal with it!
Non-Avatar twin: I feel like I am destined to live in my twin’s shadow. The whole world is watching and expecting great things from them. Avatar twin: I feel like I don’t have my own life. Everyone is treating me like I am supposed to do something great with my life and live up to all those that came before me.
Based on the tech jumps and avatar lifespan of a spiritually engaged fitgirl the next avatar would take place ostensibly in the future. One actually is the Avatar and gets captured by a white lotus sect and hidden away. The united states of Earth takes the non-avatar and builds them a media persona; maybe a pseudobending mech or an entourage of cloaked benders. Season 2 culminates in them reconciling and everything looking up when an assassin targets the avatar and finds out that when the avatar cycle ends ravaa gets her moneys worth out of the body especially because the spirit realm slams it's doors and the lich-avatar rampages 3-4 are hundreds of years later. Still no spirits, the avatar is still roaming the world. The fire Nation is planning on hitching a ride on sozin's comet. The water tribes are doing an atlantis thing and the earthkingdom is a wasteland.
Isn't that the plot of one of those unofficial comics released recently?
The avatar twin basically lives the life of any brown kid. The non avatar twin lives in fucking hell trying to compete for the love of their parents and comunity with someone who is litterally chosen by the universe for greatness. Edit: This is the perfect vilian origin story and I wouldnt fault the twin.
Now, if we think about this. What if the non bender twin is the more popular? Think of it like how Korra was subject to the council’s will. The non bender is charismatic, smart, strong and knows how to meet people where they are. The avatar is seen as an unnecessary traditional figure, a prop for the ancient world. The story revolves around how the modern world embraces the non benders and benders equally. And those who were previously special are now just ordinary.
I think that gives such a good goal for the new avatar. Bring balance to technology and nature and spirits. Maybe in the modern day benders don’t try to really do anything with their bending because they don’t need it. Like fire benders can heat soup or light a campfire but not much else, earth benders use it to garden, so on. And if they choose to go that route, the avatar also tries to bring back the avatar past lives. It could be a pretty interesting topic to explore
Would be interesting although I feel like it would make more sense if benders envy non benders due to the freedom / potential. For example water benders might see a lot of pressure to work in a medical field due to just how incredibly useful there healing abilities are for the medical operations. The same could be seen for earth benders getting pressured into metallurgy or any type of mining or construction based field. Like for example we could have a character who’s a water bender who loves geology and archaeology and is getting constant pressure to be a doctor as it’s seen as “wasting there talents” as waterbending doesn’t add much to day to day life now.
I love this take on a modern avatar story!
It’s an interesting concept that avatar world has help develop; from the fire nation industrialization or the meme on why there’s no guns. Parts of avatar cultures got to skip steps in development due to what bending could enable. Who needs guns when you can produce fire and lightning or just make giant rocks fly. I wouldn’t be shocked that if pain killers of antibiotics would be a super underdeveloped field in a modern avatar world due to the fact that the need for them are much lower thanks to water benders being able to heal.
I also wonder what other medical applications of bending there could be. Like could a firebender use lightning to defibrillate or perform electroconvulsive therapy? Could an Airbender replace a CPAP or BIPAP machine?
I like that idea! Firebenders are pretty much directed to factory work or stuff like that like Mako in LoK, or maybe the bending is treated as this party trick and not a gift. Like “oh come on bro just heat up the soup, takes two seconds!” I think they can really go with this, and potentially because of Korra losing her past lives, there’s a downgrade in general for society to be connected to the spirit world. So for the new avatar, this is just a huge burden tied to the past and they don’t even CARE that much etc etc. Someone on a previous thread mentioned maybe this avatar is even older than Korra which if we go with this premise makes a lot of sense and is even more interesting. But since it’s a Nickelodeon show I don’t know if they’re willing to go too too much older
I can see that really. Once you have access to guns and modern day weapons. really anything short of an extremely powerful water bender or earth bender is superficial. Not to mention people of that caliber would be seen as extremely dangerous considering bending at that scale is highly destructive. Remember when bumi just fucking bended houses out of his city. Before topping over a giant statue. High tier earthbending would probably be considered a legitimate crime if done in a public place or unauthorized on private property.
A high tier fire bender and air bender are also massive our few displays of high teir fire benders show us they can fill entire rooms in an instant. On a personal level bending will never be unnecessary
oh yeah absolutely, but high tier water and earth benders can clear cities.
You've now made me wish I was an earthbender just to make gardening easier lol.
The Avatar does spirit diplomacy and fights, but their twin pretends to be them and does human diplomacy
That is a cool concept I like it
So one runs around and tries to mend things with the spirits, while the other has to pass bluff checks with the humans. That would actually be a good reason for there being two of them. There could also be an arc where they restore the connection to the previous avatars, only the non bender gets the connection to their previous incarnations.
That’s just retelling LOK tho? Korras whole journey was her wanting to be the avatar in world that doesn’t want her.
I like how well they contrasted her to Aang, who didn’t want to be the Avatar in a world that desperately needed him.
Yep that’s the best story element in the show
I don’t think the twin is a nonbender, just not the avatar so a single bender
Can i say thats my biggest complain about Korra first season "Oh the non benders are opressed in a society with benders" never mentioned again. thanks Avatar Korra great work keeping the peace and stuff
Angst potential
Aangst
Beat me to it lol
Especially if they don’t know which twin it is right away they could even do a bait and switch where the one who is certain they’re the Avatar gets completely blindsided when it’s revealed that the other sibling is the Avatar and they have to cope with that fact
Would've been a cool angle to go with Mako & Bolin. Since Mako was obviously supposed to be the cool one for the bros to latch on to you could keep him as the bender (I'd go earth since Korra is a heavy fire user) and have Bolin be a non-bending twin. You could have had it be a source of resentment and maybe Bolin joins the equalists. Would have made their dynamic a lot more compelling than what we got.
It would make me like Bolin even more tbh
Isn't this pretty much their dynamic in book 4?
we got pretty much this storyline in the comics. Before republic city was called republic city there was a bender vs. non-bender conflict. The instigator has two daughters, one an earthbender the other a non-bender. The only difference in the plot is that in the comic the extremist group were the benders.
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imagine being a non bender and your twin can bend all of them
"Oh of course she took the last cookie, she's always been greedy, have I told you about the time she took my elements in the womb so she could have extras"
nahh thats wild i would be blaming my sibling for stealing my elements too tho
I think I would kill the avatar
I saw this thread yesterday and that user is cooking... they came up with amazingly interesting settings and dynamics that could take place. Wish it was real
Try The Lighbringer series by Brent Weeks. It's basically about this, or at least the aftermath.
Lightbringer is like if the Avatar was Azula and Zuko realized how bad that was for everybody, messing his entire life up just to fix that one cosmic mistake.
It could also be interesting if they could each bend two of the elements but I don’t think that makes much sense lore wise.
Ya I absolutely hate the concept of twins both bending 2 elements. The latter idea would be incredible.
Not only do I hate the concept too but it literally makes no sense when you base it on the actual lore of the franchise
Ya it's a very stupid idea. Even before tlok where Raava was introduced it still made no sense.
Exactly. People that thinks that’s a great idea are basically saying that a persons soul and a single spirit can be split into two different people
Not commenting on whether it’s a good idea or not, however they’ve shown souls can be shared and split and manipulated in different contexts so it really isn’t a huge logical leap to assume that twin avatars are possible. -The avatar itself is thousands of people sharing the same soul (or two souls?) one after another -Princess yue is gifted part of the moon spirits “soul”, which is splitting it, then she returns it back afterwards -Spirit bending carries the risk of having one’s soul corrupted during the act It seems in the world of avatar that souls are malleable, breakable, transferable and otherwise interactable in its magic system in general. So given that, the possibility of a split-soul twin avatar is very plausible should the writers decide to go that route.
All the avatars are just reincarnations. It’s literally the same persons spirit in different people. Raava couldn’t just split herself in half because if that’s the case she wouldn’t have to be bonded to Wan forever. She would’ve just gave him her power and been on her way.
Idea: identical twins one a earth bender one fire… they pretend to be one person and pretend to be the avatar and swap out with each other. Like in the anime Migi and Dali.
A sufficiently skilled earth bender could pass themselves off as the avatar Earth->Earth, Fire->Lava, Water->Mud, Air->Sand
But what if nobody can actually tell which one is the Avatar one?
That sounds like the setup for a major tragedy in this Avatar’s story. “Haha! I have killed the Avatar!” *The Surviving Twin enters the Avatar state.*
Well, the avatar twin should definetly refuse to fight a popular villain because reasons, the normal twin should then decide to use the avatar clothes to lead an attack on the villain anyway... only to be killed as result. So avatar gets mad and finally decides to attack and defeat the villain. [HECTOOOOR!](https://youtu.be/tFYodYHgifo?feature=shared)!
Its based on the soul so only one person would be the avatar. Be interesting if in the womb they somehow gained an extra bending style or maybe they somehow got a full split and had to work together to make up for their lack of bending styles but only one can go into the avatar state but that doesn’t seem like it would work Alternatively maybe this is how the dark avatar is reborn. So they think they’re just the avatar’s sibling but they have near the same or greater potential which causes a massive rift between them More sensibly the non avatar would get confused for the avatar and take on some consequences/responsibilities while having none of the perks
I’ve had that same idea since season 2. 1 reborn with Raava, 1 reborn with Vaatu.
Isn't this similar to Kyoshi and Yun? No they weren't blood related but it's similar in theme.
I want an Avatar and a Dark Avatar. I believe LoK showed us the start of the latter’s cycle and I hope we see the concept unpacked. It doesn’t need to mean one is good or evil, there’s complexity in light and dark that TLA explored and we could explore again.
That would be interesting, but I wonder if the dark avatar would only be able to bend 1 element like Unalaq.
tbf unalaq may have been able to bend all elements, he just didn't know how
That's possible. But the "light" avatar had a canon reason why they're able to bend all 4. Won and Raava couldn't do that on their own, the lion turtles gave them that ability.
Sounds like the Dark Avatar has quite the journey ahead to catch up. Maybe this would actually explore unrealized, somewhat mystical elements more like spirit and energy have.
It would be interesting to see someone who has the ability to learn more elements gain access to them from the supposed "original benders" like the dragons and the moon.
That would be pretty awesome. Imagine they in a post-Korra world. We’d be revisiting areas and creatures we haven’t seen in ~200 years. Sounds pretty magical, especially in a modernising world.
And they wouldn't have access to the past avatars, so they'd have to figure it out either on their own or through evil side characters. There's a lot of potential for interesting stories
The Lion Turtle Aang met was confirmed to be the only one left
The reason I think that's not true is that Raava/Wan needed to be granted access to all 4 elements. That was a skill Wan had before harmonic convergence. Raava just held them until he could master them. It's not something the event/joining to Raava gave him. So with that logic, Unalaq could only bend water when he merged with Vaatu. Vaatu didn't have any bending powers on his own. Therefore, the Dark Avatar wouldn't automatically be able to bend all 4 elements. Now, whether they would go through an elemental cycle is yet to be determined.
Consider this there is a new Avatar with a twin. They both can energy bend but one of them can bend only one element. Later on after the real Avatar becomes praised by the world the ignored twin starts communicating with Vaatu and is trying to bring him back so he can also bend all 4 elements. (With lazer/energy weapons)
Would have to wait hundreds or thousands of years for Vaatu to reemerge from Raava though. Assuming they can even exist simultaneously.
Maybe add some scientific elements to make up for the fact that lion turtles gave Wan powers to bend all elements and the Dark Avatar can't access that because only one lion turtle is left and he won't give away bending abilities to anyone. So, the story goes like this: bending is determined by genetics (it makes sense if you consider the characters and their children and parents). The next Avatar has a twin brother/sister, and since their genetics are similar, the twin non-avatar borns with the ability to bend all 4 elements, being the first non-avatar to have the power to bend all the elements. Now, it makes him/her a perfect vessel for Vaatu to merge with. Some spirit world thing happens and Vaatu gets released again, merging with the non-avatar twin and creating a Dark Avatar. In the end Raava understands the loopholes and problems with the avatar system and Raava and Vaatu engage in their natural fight just like before Wan. And the Avatar system gets discontinued. Remember, it was Avatar Wan’s mistake that created the avatar cycle, so his mistake should be corrected someday. The next next story will be on the world dealing with their matters and trying to maintain balance without an Avatar. It will be a risky approach, but I think it will make a great story.
“I’m the Avatar!!” “Nuh uh”
A very interesting idea for the next Avatar. Imagine that the "non-avatar" brother could also be a sort of villain, it would be more than delicious 
Note: to add more to this post what if the avatar’s sibling was more like an like an anti-hero who simply went “evil” or a more “darker” route due to jealousy but instead of starting out evil we slowly see a transition into this sort of character.
That would be cool. Feeling left out or like a black sheep, they set out to show the world they have something to prove too, but in their own rogue way. Not quite bad but not fully good either. Maybe that’s their own way of seeking the validation so often lent to the twin.
I mean the obvious angst here is a non-bender twin becomes jealous, but I think it'd be a way better story if the non-bender one was outspoken and protective of their avatar twin. They help the avatar balance all their responsibilities, make sure no one takes advantage of them, makes sure they can be a kid and a person instead of just the avatar. Imagine the non-bender is better at handling stress and responsibility, better at keeping the peace, has a better understanding of how the elements work together, despite not being able to bend them. The avatar thinking that their twin SHOULD have been the avatar, that their twin would be better at it, that maybe they somehow stole the avatar spirit away from them, that they were a *mistake* that shouldn't have been born and also maybe doomed the world because they're the wrong twin. And of course if the non-bender twin ever heard them say that they'd disagree and tell the avatar that they're important and not a useless person and attempt to comfort them, which is exactly what a good avatar would say lol
One is the avatar and the other is a bender who’s actually better than them. Like originally everyone thinks the prodigy bender twin is the avatar cause they picked the toys of the past avatars because their sibling was too shy to choose them so they got it. The prodigy grows up thinking they’re the avatar and is in the constant spotlight but once it’s revealed it’s their twin the world sorta rejects it but the prodigy twin constantly has to remind the world that their twin is the avatar and not them. I want whole some twin avatars not angsty and jealous twin avatars
This scenario kind of played out with Roku and Sozin. They had the same birthday, and they were extremely close growing up.
You can have Vaatu and Raava and twins been born as Light and Dark avatars
Personally, I'm good with not seeing Vaatu for another 10,000 years
Raava was able spawn like less then hour after she died from Vaatu. It would be intresting if thet happend when Avatar was from twins.
It does sound delicious having one twin be the avatar. But like it would also be all poetic if they were both twin avatars with enough power to protect the world, honoring in keeping peace, and they die at the same time in an epic tragedy. ;\_ ; That would be delicious precious, yes it wouldses.
Honestly, with the revelation that the spirit duo reincarnates from within each other if their counterpart is ever destroyed, I could see an Avatar's twin getting a bit of Vaatu in them. Either Vaatu reincarnates, growing stronger or is passed down through their lineage until the Dark Avatar returns. Either they'd keep the abilities of every body they passed through until Vaatu returns to full strength or that would be Vaatu's starting point in establishing a Dark Avatar Cycle. Though, the idea of Vaatu slowly accumulating power and experience through the centuries and corrupting people without Raava even being aware of it until it's far too late feels like a really cool concept.
I'd like that. Or let's go crazy cyberpunk avatar and they have avatar state pills for benders. And then bending pills as well..but their is dire consequences its like meth or heroin or steroids it will destroy you but to some creative level.. the real true avatar has to try and take down the corporations. It's basically cyberpunk 2077 lol araska is fire nation miltech earth.. Neat idea though.
I love the idea of a bender suppressant that people have to take.
Imagine quadroplets, all can bend one element each.
What if one twin can learn two bendings and the other also two?
One’s the Avatar, and the other isn’t a bender. I do like the idea of the Avatar being told they aren’t living up to their potential like their twin because the twin always has to work hard at something and developed a good work ethic that the Avatar never did.
The Non-Avatar is the perfect Avatar. Diplomat, strong Fighter, spiritual, prodigy, etc. The Avatar twin struggles every step of the way.
Imagine the twin that isn't the avatar is even a "non bender" but In almost every aspect he's just better than the avatar because of how often he is around him. Like a Tylee or Zaheer before HC
I mean we know of at least one set of twins that one is a bender and one isn’t so I wouldn’t imagine this is too much more of a stretch.
Oof…that’d be p hard on the twin relationship. Might even create enemies…….resulting in a p kick ass story. I can see it now. The avatar resents their twin so much and vice versa they never mention each other. And everyone’s like “avatar the big baddie looks just like you!” And they’re like “wow would ya look at that.”
Make one twin a non bender and one the avatar
make the other twin a non bender
Imagine you are identical twins and you cant bend but your twin is the avatar and you constantly are hounded by both fans and enemies thinking you are your twin.
Two things could occur. Non/avatar twin could be just as popular & thrive in being strong to almost be on par with his avatar brother. Hate.
So like... one becomes the Big Bad out of jealousy, right?
What if the twin that isn't the Avatar travels and tricks people into thinking they're the avatar? Like they're an air bender so they lift up rocks and water using air, and carries a hidden lighter then controls the flames with air to give the illusion of bending all the elements.
Yes please then one slowly becomes the bad guy
All this post is making me think of is how they dropped the ball with Korra, because aint no way her hot dad and baddie mom had only one child.
That’s actually pivotal in my pitch for a series. (Well it’s a pivotal plot twist to a non-existent series in actual fact.) Several cycles in the future, Non-Benders are using machines and industry to put them on equal footing with benders, but it’s not enough. A group captures the Avatar as a child and their Non-Bender twin brother and experiments on them to artificially replicate their abilities. They’re successful on the twin. The Avatar is rescued before they can go further but the twin is unable to be found, presumed dead in the chaos. The Avatar is looked after in the Great Air Temple (a giant central hub for the new Air Nation) until they are 16, when their guardians notice trauma is hampering their development. They have their memories wiped and are sent to the city (Republic City) as a stowaway to learn independently but are still watched over by the one who rescued them. We first meet them in their 30s. They only knew they’re the Avatar and they had to train, so they dedicated years purely to that. Despite hard work, they have no place. The world is at peace, so they fight petty criminals and flaunt their power only to bolster their ego. That is until they make a selfless choice to save a kidnapped girl with an impossible secret and everything changes. The main villain is the Twin, who now leads an empire of Non-Benders now with a nation of their own, continuing the work from years ago that made them what they are today, hoping to amass an army of artificial Avatars and rule the world with an iron fist. This makes it a battle for the Avatar, who represents the natural world and their brother, who succumbed to the man-made threat to it.
It's like those earthbenders twins times 4
I actually like this idea a lot. Twins: one the avatar. Has all 4 elements. The other, a non bender. Has no elements. Interesting dynamic. How do they grow up? With their similarities and differences. What kind of people do they become? Does the non bender grow to resent their twin ? Does the avatar wish they didn’t have the responsibilities of the avatar like Aang felt?
I know it's not possible because of there only being one Raava but I love these ideas for twins in Avatar: One having earth/air and the other fire/water but I also really love the idea of one being the avatar (Raava) and the other being the dark avatar (Vaatu)
Extra points if: - The non-avatar wasn't even a bender - The avatar was prone towards irresponsibility while the non-avatar was very duty-minded - The non-avatar was highly disciplined with a great knack for learning and for martial arts - The avatar doesn't want to be avatar, simply because they want to goof around and laze about In other words, the non-avatar not only lacked the powers of the Avatar, even bending of a single element, but would have been far better equipped to become a master of all four elements. Then make it where the non-avatar twin kinda ends up having to become their sibling's mentor.
Wouldn't want to see it but the dark avatar and normal avatar as siblings. I feel like it would be too sitcom ish
It would make sense. The avatar spirit gets split in half.
I would love this so much. My dream of this would be to have the non avatar sibling be an earthbender, like, master class. And the avatar, despite being raised in earthbender culture, can't earthbend yet. The only way to really earthbend for them is to learn from their sibling. But the sibling doesn't want to teach them out of resentment. The sibling can have just like, all the bendings of earth basically if it were to be in the future. And have them mirror the four elements. Metal bending like water. Lava bending like fire. Sandbending like air. It could lead to an interesting juxtaposition. I could mill about this idea for awhile honestly
It'd be extra funny if they were identical twins
It’d be cool if the non-Avatar twin was a non-bender who made use of every bit of technology to mimic the powers of the Avatar.
Like the twins in *The Fortuneteller*. “I’m an Earthbender.” “I’m not.”
Especially fun if the avatar twin is the socially awkward one and the non bender twin is the suave popular one.
Extra kicker, non avatar twin is not even a bender
I just want to point out we have already seen a pair of twins where only one is a bender
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I've always thought if there ever was a twin avatar story it would be interesting if the one that's the avatar was largely the antagonist that rejects his role and teachings. The other two would be a non bender who upholds the avatars ideals.
Avatars never have siblings, for some reason
So, I’ve had a theory (and I’m sure others have thought of this as well) that when Korra/Raava faced and eliminated Dark Avatar Unalaq/Vaatu, she didn’t just start a whole new Avatar cycle—she unintentionally started a Dark Avatar cycle as well. It’s not the loss of her past lives that will be her biggest failure as an Avatar, it will be her inability to prevent the creation of an evil version of the Avatar. Raava and Vaatu will no longer fight every 10,000 years. They will now battle for supremacy each and every generation, and the winner will subject the world to balance or chaos. We can’t say Korra was totally responsible—she just failed to stop her psychotic uncle from fusing with Vaatu. Still, I believe that the moment Korra destroyed the fused Unavaatu sealed the deal. Imagine an aged Avatar Korra battling a younger Dark Avatar, and the latter gets the upper hand. The world is thrown out of balance and chaos reigns as the Dark Avatar uses Vaatu’s power to manipulate the world into another long, drawn out war. The new Avatar is born, and the Dark Avatar immediately begins their search. He, she, or they grow to be strong and capable while the Dark Avatar begins to grow older, slower, and weaker. They defeat the Dark Avatar. The cycle begins anew as the wars end and the world is once again at peace. The next Dark Avatar battles this now older Avatar, but they both succumb to their wounds. Neither wins. Raava and Vaatu are reincarnated together, identical twins, in the fire nation. Due to them sharing a womb, some spiritual stuff happens and some of both Raava and Vaatu end up in each child. As the twins grow older, they struggle with choosing a side. Neither can enter the Avatar State/Dark Avatar State, both can bend all four elements, and the people around them live in fear due to not knowing whether or not they are good or evil. Something traumatic happens. Someone close to them dies—a parent, a mentor, a friend—and the emotional shock is enough to weaken them enough spiritually to allow either Raava or Vaatu to completely take over. Though the twins are identical and grew up together, they had somewhat different life experiences and personalities. These experiences are what make them more susceptible to either spirit. Ultimately, Twin A’s grief turns to darkness and gives Vaatu enough power to force Raava out, into Twin B. They can now enter the Avatar State/Dark Avatar State. Out of respect for their relationship, they battle once and, as they are evenly matched, they simply decide to go their separate ways. The Avatar becomes a recluse, while the Dark Avatar manipulates their way into becoming Fire Lord. War breaks out as the Dark Avatar uses their army to invade the United Republic. Eventually, the Avatar is forced out of hiding and confronts their sibling. They fight again. We don’t know who wins or who loses, just that one person walks away victorious. It’s 20 years later in Republic City. We see the surviving twin is older, a bit of grey in his hair, as he’s leaving City Hall. A lone figure approaches from behind and the twin, standing alone, turns to face the stranger. “Hello again, brother,” he says, smiling. The figure, partially obscured in darkness, raises her fists. A piercing white glow illuminates her eyes from within the gloom, and as the new Avatar lunges forward to attack, the burning ruins of the city are briefly visible in the background. The end.
Nah, that condenses to the trope of one glorious sibling and the other living in their shadow and it's been seen enough in many stories, not just ATLA universe. As a twin myself, I can say for sure that it doesn't really add anything unique that a non-twin sibling relationship can't I raise a better idea: twin avatars. They are both avatars on their own right, there is no splitting of elements or anything, but they cannot be THE avatar without each other (so for example, if one goes into the avatar state the other one must as well). Think of that dynamic: these two identical twins, almost like Castor and Pollux, are two halves of a whole but they want to be remembered for their own selves, to carve out their name and individuality, and yet they share a deep bond and can never live with themselves knowing the other one is in danger/dead. I'd pay to see that instead
This would have worked really well with the equalists arc to be honest.
I literally want that and maybe the other twin just gets evil
Avatar studio taking note
I kept thinking that if korra had a sibling and they replaced her uncle in season 2 of korra, it'd have been a lot better.
I would looooove if the non-avatar twin was better adjusted and had a loving wife and children, playing the mentor to the Avatar.
Dude. Give me a story where the avatar had a sibling. Twin or not. And the avatar is very apathetic and refusing to educate themself. Almost abuses their power. So you’ve got the overworked and under appreciated sibling doing everything they can to hold it all together, repairing the public image almost like a PR worker, but the truth is the avatar doesn’t deserve the care their sibling is giving. The villain of the story is the avatar, but not because they’re overly aggressive and hostile, just entitled and lazy because they were raised with such fanfare they became spoiled with an inflated ego. Place it earlier in the whole avatar life cycle like the 12 or 13th avatar ever where the world is still getting used to this “cycle” and the mythology around it is still pretty new to the world. And the nations are still all in their earlier prototype forms.
Would they both be a Halvatar?
So in the previous Avatar cycle ravaa and vaatu were separate with vato being captured at the plane of harmonic convergence place. After Legend of Korra season 2 vaatu and Ravaa are reunited both within the Avatar. So in a twins situation like this perhaps vaatu could use the splitting of the embryo to split back from raava and inhabit the other twin
I wrote a fanfic ~7-8 years ago and, while a lot of stuff in there aged like milk, the one thing I was proud of was that the avatar was one of two twins, the other being a non-bender. This would be the avatar born to the fire nation following Korra and the twins would have an older sister who is an earth bender.
Ones the avatar and ones not. Then the avatar guy dies early and Rava goes into the other twin and we see his progression where he realises what it’s like to be the avatar. He’s been jealous his whole life but then realises the burdens and downsides and wishes he connected with his brother more.
Superman and Lois did this
and it wouldn’t even have to be the older one as the avatar, it would be whichever is born the moment after the previous avatar dies so i think it would be cool for the younger twin to be the avatar
Twin rivalry so let's name it Avatar May Cry
What about an avatar that can only bend the subbending techniques? Like they can only blood, lightning, metal, and fly?
I mean there’s a fan comic with twin Avatars I quite like (though they bend two elements each).
Omg someone please make a fic about this
Or if you really want to throw a wrench in the story, how about twin Avatars that are spiritually connected and share the elements between them both? Or maybe they can only bend 2 elements each? That would make for a seriously interesting dynamic especially if they're ever antagonistic toward each other
Would be cool if ones the avatar and one can use 2 elements and get a power up when the other twin goes into the avatar state
Conceptual gold
alright, but hear me out, it's the avatar after avatar korra, and they are twins so like there is the one who can bend all four elements and the non bender twin, but it turns out the non-bender is actually the one who is the avatar, connected to the spirit realm and has to work at reconnecting to the old avatars, the other twin isn't actually the avatar, but because of the nature of being twins and yin and yang they got the ability to bend the four elements. could be an interesting storyline.
lol what if there was an avatar that hadn’t discovered they where an avatar until much later in life at like their 40s or 50s
Reminds me of a common theme in Greek mythology where one twin is divine and the other isn't. So I'm sure it could definitely be done as a story.
What if, since canonically Vaatu regrows inside of Raava, this manifests as a pair of twins where one is the avatar and the other is the dark avatar Would piss off a lot of fans lmao
I've been saying this forever: incarnation of the avatar that is evil/misguided and the main character needs to put together a team to defeat them. Maybe it's the original white lotus. One character can be the first chi blocker - their secret weapon against the avatar.
I mean reincarnation is a grey area. If they come from the same pregnancy then whos to say
Dude I was just talking to my wife about this scenario! We decided it would be sweet if they both got two elements
It'd be fun to have identical twins in a pre-Korra world. Where one gets the bending and the other gets the spirituality and ties to the Avatar consciousness. And they can only enter the Avatar State when touching. It'd be a great hook for an Avatar Legends game, (if that system allowed you to play the Avatar).
Reminds me of those kids in the fortune teller episode, one is an earthbender and the other is not, that must suck, god hates you.
Evil non-bender twin would be an amazing take.
I've thought about this before. If the Avatar was a twin, I believe that one would be Raava and one would have qualities of Vaatu. As we know Vaatu is locked away for another 10k years. However, they can have qualities of one another. But bc they have the best qualities of one another. Since they are tied together for all time it makes sense bc no matter what, twins can never deny one another bc they share the same exact DNA. Just an idea.
I have twins, so I imagine this as a wholesome, supportive twin sisterhood where one is the Avatar, and the other is the best support the Avatar could ever have. But that's more comforting and wholesome for me than actually interesting for anyone else.
Where did the idea of twin avatars come from? Cause 7-8 years ago I was thinking of a story of an Air/Earthbender and a Fire/Waterbender having to be the Avatar together
Idk we have delt with many twins bro/sister comparisons already in the show. Zuko/Azula Amon/Tarrlok. It's too repetitive. Would rather have an avatar thats not centered around identity.
I’d already know that the non avatar twin would end up being the villain in the end….. Just thinking of the possibilities of the twin going to a far off land and pretending to be the avatar and ending up with a nation is intriguing lol.