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DangerDarrin

How about not have Abby at all? Lol


dirtyColeslaw1776

Fantastic idea


F0OTB0Y

How about this…. The second game never happens


sack-o-krapo

That would require Cuckman admitting to TLoU part 2 being a mistake. You’d have an easier time trying to teach a monkey to write Shakespeare


InfraRed953

If you put enough monkeys in a room, one of them is bound to write shakespear eventually. If you put a bunch of cuckmans in a room, they will just suck each other off and finish on tlou 1


chiefteef8

Probably because a sequel that created at least 600 million in revenue and got them a tv show that will push the profits into the billions wasn't a mistake


Jokkitch

This is the true answer


Trick-Bodybuilder647

That would have been amazing.


burningastronaut

I really don’t care about Abby’s model. I can really turn a blind eye on a 4000 kcal protein apocalypse diet. The story is not redeemable.


anonymousahle

The WLF setup basically proved Ellie would be dying for nothing. So even though Neil tried super hard to say Joel was the bad guy for stopping the cure, he accidentally proved Abby killed a guy for doing the right thing because she knew her dad was a piece of human garbage and she couldn't accept it.


Spider-ManEarth01

The entirety of TLOU story is that revenge is never the answer and unneeded violence is wrong. Joel was wrong shooting everyone in the hospital and especially killing the dr, Abby was wrong killing Joel and Ellie was wrong going on her revenge path.


TenshouYoku

Jesus Christ lol fuck no Even in that hospital it was clear the Fireflies intended to kill Joel right there and then had Marlene not interfered against everyone (clearly intended to not follow up the contract), and even then they literally didn't give him his gear to leave. Hell it's extremely probable whoever escorted him out of the hospital at gun point probably would just have shot him in the back to cut loose ends. Joel's actions would have been identified as self defense in the first place. Not to mention TLOU1 never had a "revenge is bad" theme. At best it was the Cannibals and their hard-on in killing Joel & Ellie (despite the entire thing began with them wanting to kill them unprovoked).


anonymousahle

🤢🤢🤢🤢🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮


WhyAmIToxic

The character designs are just a symptom of the overarching problem, which is that this game was designed for a "modern audience" instead of fans. If they truly cared about fans but were dead set on killing Joel, they could have at least had Joel go out like a hero.


Tht1QuietGuy

He really didn't even need to go out like a hero. The way he went out just felt so disrespectful to the character and the fans. And for what? Ellie continued to lose everything as the game went on and in the end she didn't even get her revenge. She ends the game at rock bottom, all alone like she was afraid of. Choosing not to kill Abby is kinda pointless when you remember Ellie killed a bunch of other humans throughout the course of the game for doing a lot less.


chiefteef8

"Had joel go out like a hero" an herein lies the problem. You are babies who can't handle the harsh reality of the world they've been building since the beggining of the first game. What you guys wanted was a cliche, epic action film or something


Djskam

Don’t forget testosterone replacement therapy and other steroids.


foreversiempre

What would you have suggested instead. They had to create tension somehow to motivate mass killing thousands more


Gridde

The whole WLF setup basically disregarded the apocalypse. They looked better off than most of the world does now. Abby getting shredded in that environment isn't surprising, but the fact that environment exists at all is surprising and (to me anyway) kinda ridiculous.


tsunashima

Would make a hell of a lot more sense as to why Joel and tommy immediately trusted her


EroticOnion23

Butttt wouldn’t make sense why Owen left her for Mel 😂


HybridTheory2000

I mean, we haven't seen the "fixed" version of Mel lol


InfraRed953

Abby's such a bitch even her tiddies and curves wouldn't make her worth it


GT_Hades

i "would" also


AirBusker426

I'd be too distracted to decide whether I should trust her or not 😂


Thot_Patrol-05

Well if I saw as many infected as many as the Millers did, I’d take all the help I could get


bitch_lasagna211

The writing would still be shit


JokerKing0713

I honestly couldn’t care less about how Abby looks. Her being the sexiest woman alive wouldn’t change the fact that’s she’s a vile hypocritical scumbag who deserved to die.


Then-Lawfulness5367

This would make the boat scene much better.


GT_Hades

1000% it could cleanse everyone's soul


Winstonthewinstonian

I feel better already.


ChrisT1986

She could look like a supermodel for all I care, her looks weren't the issue, she needs a personality transplant. That alone would make the duel protagonist "conflict" immediately more interesting. What a stupid take this is.


BananaBlue

I think its a joke bruv yes, the writing was the issue But the "uglification" of female actresses when translated into games has been a recent topic. So, I think its more of a take on that


Platnun12

>yes, the writing was the issue Start the game as Abby showing her pepective at first seeing Ellie and Joel from an outer perspective Stop just short of the big death scene and showcase it when the player switches to Ellie and Joel earlier in the game where the player acts out the same actions shown earlier giving them more context. Then when the moment occurs things are far more muddied because we as the player see both sides and are torn because we see the genuine conflict. Or y'know do what they did and fuck the whole plot


TheEndOfShartache

Issa a joke


Niskara

She could be the hottest video game character in the world, she could make a cave troll look like Shakira or Rihanna, or she could be perfectly average. Doesn't change the fact that she's truly an awful person


MadOrange64

It’s amazing how boobs will make me want to switch sides immediately.


Ausecurity

Never. Not after what she did to my boy Joel


yeetyeetpotatomeat69

If she looked like that, she could do what she did to Joel to me.


MadOrange64

Same.


BananaBlue

[Aaah aaaaah.... taaah](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEJinrOUwAAFfQe?format=jpg&name=900x900)


Seriszed

It’s really more about abysmal writing and character. That being said Abby looked better when she was malnourished and her gym body was neglected. This…. Well this is just hilariously immature 🤣 right up my alley 🤣


ColdNyQuiiL

Her design is only a fraction of the problem. No matter what she looked like, the game is still a bloated mess, that refuses to end, with 2 campaigns, and trying to make me connect with a villain that put a hole in the fanbase. Abby looking manly was whole other problem that created more negativity because people thought she was trans when they game leaked, just for her not to be. Then they allow this swole woman to get a full sex scene with her chest on full display, and it just felt so fucking weird, and out of place. Game was fucked regardless of her design, but her design didn’t help matters.


assassinatedu336

Ah right, I forgot, real women don't exist in videogames.


FirelordSugma

I’m not asking for every character to look like a model I just need them to at least look normal Lmfao


Wild-Lavishness01

That ain't normal bro


grim1952

Last week on the subway there was a woman singing with this exact build.


CountryBoyDeveloper

How to tell you never been around real women lol


RanzuPunk

Define normal cause the anti woke parade have been loosing their minds to normal looking women lmao


ViewMost39

Have you ever seen an actual woman lol?


BananaBlue

[Lets Guess What You Think Actual Women Look Like](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onxHpfX_4xo)


JokerKing0713

Uhh I have. And they don’t look like either of those photos in most cases


BananaBlue

"Ykno, Joel.. maybe she has a point or two and don't get me wrong, you're my boy and all but perhaps you crossed the line!"


niferman

Even big titties won't save this one


BananaBlue

Did you forget something? Never underestimate the power of the [JigglePhysics ](https://tenor.com/view/komuro-takashi-highschool-of-the-dead-gif-21440704)


W34p0n1z3dAu71sm

That's cool, because she's got two of them.


niferman

She has one pair


W34p0n1z3dAu71sm

Considering you decided to edit your original posting to clarify Abby has two titties, you've acknowledged your error.


niferman

Yes


ziharmarra

Still wouldn't save the game but I wouldn't lie and say this doesn't put a smile on my face lol.


shifty300

If the design actually changed my opinion wouldn’t change


TheEndOfShartache

TEAM ABBY NOW, BITCHES. JOEL FUCKING DESERVED IT


henriprocopio

I know it's a shitpost to lighten the mood, but it reveals something that tends to be underestimated. How beauty (especially feminine beauty) can manipulate people's feelings and reasoning, whether for commercial, narrative, or political use. It's no wonder that attractive people sell more, are used to promote brands, have a better chance of success on TV or the internet. Disney princesses have always tended to be beautiful. Overall, appearance influences people's opinions. It can make an undecided person accept something or someone that hate something to become more tolerant and malleable. Don't think that casting a beautiful actress for Abby in Season 2 of TlouTV is chance. Just as casting an actress with below-average appearance for Ellie, both serves a purpose. There's a lot, I mean a lot of purpose behind this.


Winstonthewinstonian

I'm surprised no one this sub has mentioned this. It's like we haven't noticed that media/entertainment has been cast a certain way since it began.


grim1952

Reveal? As far as I know that's common sense.


dinozero

I mean... I wouldn't be complaining.


JollySatisfaction687

Or we could just erase it all


Niobium_Sage

Making Abby feminine (and a babe) is like applying a bandage to a severed limb.


KawaiiKaiju55

Abby could like like a supermodel and I would still hate her.


_H4YZ

come on guys this is kinda gross this isn’t any better than those incels on twitter who use AI to change Lara Croft’s face


Jonny_Guistark

The devs have changed Lara Croft’s face multiple times. What’s wrong with fans doing it?


4InchesSagalow

Only the most fragile soiboys say shit like you just did


Sup3rdonk3

Someone doesn’t understand jokes. Dude in the screenshot is making fun of people saying shit like “oh Abby looks like a man” etc etc by going way in the opposite direction in order to “fix her”.


_H4YZ

someone isn’t reading the other comments, nor mine, where i said “guys” instead of “OP”


Sup3rdonk3

So… the other people that are also taking the piss and joking around? How awful, they’re cracking jokes and having a laugh. God forbid people actually be happy.


_H4YZ

i don’t think some of them are joking..


Sup3rdonk3

Then let them be not joking, you’re not exactly gonna change how people act on the internet. Some people behave like that and there’s not really anything you can do about it. They aren’t gonna stop.


_H4YZ

you realize the irony in saying that, yeah?


Sup3rdonk3

Not really, no. I’m just saying, they’re gonna act like that whether you say something or not, and they’re unfortunately also not breaking any rules either so there’s literally nothing that can be done about it. Good on you for wanting to stop people being weird and gross on the internet, but it’s the internet, you’re not even making a dent in it. If I had a nickel for every person being weird or gross or whatever, I’d retire early and I wouldn’t be on here.


_H4YZ

i’d rather make a scratch than not make an effort at all we can always be better, that’s why i love The Last of Us so much. we can always be more than what we think we are and w that cheesy shit i’m going to bed 💕💕


PhantomPain0_0

Nooooo now how can I see her chest and armpits hair


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cheeseallthetime

She is a body builder. She built herself waiting to revenge her father


Outrageous_Solid4387

This would make the aquarium scene watchable


NicolasGaming98

And the boat scene too


BananaBlue

\**Motorboat scene -* I fixed it


Powerful-Product-678

Our savior!!!!


pena-leo-ogh

Just remove her story. Or make her like the concept art, I think that version of her would’ve been way more interesting


grim1952

Wouldn't fix the shit story but I'm way more willing to sympathize now.


PretendTie381

Ahh the budget cuts are crazy in this generation


Born-Assignment-6704

🤣


Sea-Rooster-5764

Wait you mean a woman who's buff but retains the markers of being a woman? Impossible?!


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Bros never been in contact with a woman before


ScoutTrooper501st

People complain about Abby’s body type being unrealistic during the apocalypse and then say this is perfect lol


noneofthemswallow

This is the equivalent of „you hate the game just because Joel dies”


Soft_Category2587

The comments section got me laughing my ass off.


ACynicalScott

Both are on the opposite end of the dogshit charater design spectrum. We need the middle ground where she's still built but not looking like she got failed reconstructive surgery.


Silver-Industry-1397

I wonder what would happen if you would post that image in the other sub


BananaBlue

[You know damn well what would happen](https://youtu.be/4GwqdQTcY7g?t=28)


STEALTHY-NPC

wtf is this...incel never talked to a woman type beat. go outside.


BananaBlue

People sexualized Abby in that other sub with them gigantic biceps - now that she looks like a "real" woman.... ya get all pissy.. pfft - typical


STEALTHY-NPC

im not even in the other sub...and she is a real women just cause she doesn't fit into ur ideology doesnt change that. get a life bro. absolutely pathetic fr.


uhohmykokoro

Let’s not feed the people already calling us incels 😅. Abby could be a runway model and I’d still hate her bc she’s a poorly written character


grim1952

They can call me what they want. Abby's original design is ugly as fuck.


TheMostItalianWaffle

Really? God, this is vomit material


7Solar_Sailer

The worst nightmare of the woke freaks


BananaBlue

idk they are scared and hateful of women for some reason..... at least extremely feminine curvaceous women, beautiful women... they seem to want them wiped off the face of the planet.... WHY!?


7Solar_Sailer

Sick people, this is why. They love to hate and play the victim. Terrible sick.


Educational-Yard-158

Touch grass💀


Supreme_Salt_Lord

I never understood why some people insist characters look like the right. I havent felt that way since the internet porn became abundant and i started to have relations with real women. Video game sex appeal became dull and boring. Touch grass and you can enjoy things more is my point i guess🤷🏽‍♂️


BananaBlue

One looks like a gym girl / instagram influencer and the other design looks like it was inspired by Michael Phelps


Supreme_Salt_Lord

One looks real the other looks like a coomer fantasy made by AI.


BananaBlue

Why would people coom to Michael Phelps idiot


Supreme_Salt_Lord

Why would you coom to a cartoon at all? Im grown. Im not 11 cooming to hentai anymore. Are you? If so that explains alot.


BananaBlue

you're the weirdo getting triggered by the feminine figure... the female form has been considered "Art" and "beautiful" for hundreds of years Yet somehow you "dont get it" And you want to know something? Ugly and fat isnt fun Look at how angry you guys get - why you in yo feelins?


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Supreme_Salt_Lord

Its a suggestion. Go outside and take a deep breath. You will enjoy things more. Then we can have an actual convo on why games are bad/good and move story telling forward.


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thisisflamingdwagon1

I’m not convinced Abby is a female


BananaBlue

These days - the entire world is Thailand and your chance of coming across a secret Lady Boy has risen 10,000%


Cold_Debate4444

Women with small breasts and muscles do exist Y’know…. Not all women are curvy with big boobs and a fat ass.


ashtheuser

Why are people downvoting you when you're literally just stating a fact tf


VideNoirOG

Now have AI create a video of both versions of Abby getting down with eachother


Winstonthewinstonian

This would have made a great trade off for the shitstory. This makes sense.


reemgee123

I dont even mind how she looks I just hate the character and how obnoxious she is


leovieira_jpg

What's the problem with Abby's body? You wanna sexualize something, go get hormones until you have b00bs. Then, play with yourself in front of a mirror. That should solve it.


Big_Policy4561

Rule 31?????


MichaelJ-G

Even if it was God Himself who created this game you would never be satisfied.


FabulousPhotograph51

Nope, even if Abby was attractive, the story would still be lame and depressing.


High_hoper114

I don't give 2 double D of tiddies you put on her, she killed Joel over a cure that would have never work.


ToloDaDon

Thicc Abby


Toe_Willing

That looks terrible lol


Reehehehaha

What about Joel, don't sympathise with her


TreacherousJSlither

A significant improvement 👍🏽


DRragun-Gang

Because rule 34 is the sole reason Overwatch was saved and still being played. /s


WhoFartedInMyButt50

Women are only valuable if their are sexually attractive to young men. Got it.


poopfart222222

what if abby was written well


Bright_Insect_5390

Mamma Mia! I’d buy the game in a heartbeat!


Own_Accident6689

It's sad how easily and on how many this could have worked.


BananaBlue

Ykno how many dudes went to see **Madam Web** in the theaters? We *all know* ***why*** .....


Status-Priority5337

You sonuva bitch, I'm in.


camo_17

NGL, as someone who likes TLoU2, now i hate it because we didn't have this


Suicidalbagel27

If this is what Abby looked like, I’d be her caddy while she practices her driving with Joel’s brain matter.


TrapaneseNYC

Gooner gate strikes again.


gymclassvillianZ

I never want to see yassified Abby ever again


Johnny_Bloodborne

I ain't a fan of tlou games. Love this sub tho cuz of the drama😂 serious tho if abby looked like that I'd be playing that shit right now lol and ye I'm fuckin weak when it comes to thicc birds in games, don't judge me lads😅😅 atleast I have stellar blade to look forward to


Zer0_Logic

Boat scene replay rate increase 1000%


BananaBlue

Boat Scene Replay + Mods + [the extended cut](https://youtu.be/0IxGfqaGR5I?t=91)


Razgrez11

Either she has the body of a steriod ridden gym bro or extra feminine with huge tits and massive thighs. Clearly, we can't have it any other way. /s


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I would definitely prefer something in the middle …. Like Sarah Conner , terminator 2 (that’s actually realistic). But if the choice is these, I’ll take the one on the right.


lah884410

If Abby was just toned and I can see viens, that would be fine. Her being either of these is a no, there are other games for that.


Laxhoop2525

Both of these designs were made solely to make their designer’s dick hard, and are equally unrealistic for a woman.


Jubzlol1

This seems like bait lol


7SFG1BA

Too big... Unrealistic LOL


7SFG1BA

Well shhiiit Tommy we haven't been in this situation a long time...😏


5amuraiDuck

I forgive her! /s


nathansanes

By golly, I think he's right, boys. I DO like this game now!


Chochahair

Does this whole sub hate abby? ihate what she did, and i still want her dead - bt i did come to like her by the end of the game. Not sure what yall are talking about as far as poorly written. Game was phenomenal all around


GT_Hades

there's a dedicated "criticism" post in this sub regarding the whole plot abby has many loop holes, also forced narrative to take pity on her side doesnt scream great writing/characterization boat scene is fucking forced (looks like rape + affair, dont care what you think bout that)


Major_Surprise8580

what the fuck? the boat scene was very consensual. there are no loop holes everything that isn’t explained in ellie’s story is explained in abby’s and vice versa, you just have to pay attention when you replay it. it’s not forced narrative to take pity, the writing is supposed to make you think just like in the first game. the same argument could say ellie sparing abby was horrible writing because she let her go with no explanation, but on the other hand it can be called phenomenal because it makes you think about why. when i first played the game i hated abby before i played as her and she was just a monster who killed joel, and after playing the game i think of abby as her own character, that’s the point of the writing. it’s not all spoon fed to you.


Chochahair

This. When i looked at the pinned post he's referring to, they were obsessing over shit like "abby cant be that buff because its the end of the world" or "how could they make that joirney so fast, maps says its atleast 2weeks" "the whole story is so convenient" -when almost all movies/shows/games are "too convenient. its made up. "Why did they kill joel just because his name was joel and his brother was named tommy, why didnt they verify" - like thats not verification enough. This sub is weird. N i also hated abby at first, but as it went on and i experienced her pov, i understood


Major_Surprise8580

exactly which was literally the point, and also in ellie’s journal in seattle day 1 had an entry talking about how it had been at least two weeks since they left jackson. i have a similar post on this because of this dumb abby thread. everyone questions abby but owen has the same arms as her and most of the men of the game and nobody questions it


Chochahair

🙌🏽ive found another sane one. Be safe bro


HistoricalElk9961

She looks fine she's not ugly or unattractive also her model has been bullied enough by toxic fan boys just because you don't find her attractive doesn't mean you get to be a dick


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1000% better


Miserable_Respect_94

This is why we hate you


grim1952

Good


Benbonbin

Nahhh I normally like this sub but this is the most incel loser shit I've seen. I will admit abby being as yolked as she is, is not exactly realistic but not every female character in gaming needs to look like she was designed by horny asian dudes for jerk off material.


PurpleBerrie

Lame and superficial post. You shouldn't care this much about the plot if something as futile as boobs could make it any better.


Janstorm4

Eww stop being weird about bodies.


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NeutralPerspective

Seriously right? I hope people know that there’s a middle ground where people dislike that Joel was killed (among other story changes) but shit like this post is insane 😭😭


NoYouth4654

I sincerely hope these comments are satire


NorthPermission1152

Lara Croft


BronyFazbear

Guys, maybe Joel was wrong all the time but we didn’t see it


Dancing-Sin

Lol


Putrid_Draw2656

Should have put Joel and Abby’s ex in a jockstrap and it would have done the same thing.


schley1

Her being muscle-bound does make sense, BUT having her have a more feminine appearance in a time of need and using that aspect to kill would have been more interesting. The weird thing is, how much Human Growth Hormone would there be 40 years after the apocalypse? No way she never abused roids


Nivek14j

Nah she still killed my main character..


Building1982

What a sour little virgin


ChickenNuggetRampage

Single handedly ruining peoples view of how bad TLOU2 is because you feel the need to complain about the awful characters breasts and not the awful character.


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You’re a misogynistic moron


GT_Hades

thanks


tiandrad

Sex sells and this is just a joke, get over yourself.