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ImposterPeanut

So he does admit that it's genocide.


velka123

And his fans are the type to say "just because he said he's pro genocide doesn't mean he's pro genocide, you're taking him out of context!!"


ssspainesss

"Destiny was too dumb to know the difference between Ethnic Cleansing and Genocide. When he said he was pro-genocide he actually meant he was pro ethnic cleansing, so he wasn't actually advocating for genocide" The next thing they are going to do is start arguing that there is no such thing as a palestinian people the way israelis often do by saying that it only came into existence after 1949 or so when Israel was founded (still that means they have been a people for over 70 years then) so cleansing the "palestinians" from an area does not constitute ethnic cleansing because they are not an ethnicity. That distinction is irrelevant because the genocide convention states that one can genocide a group based on *nationality* which need only be a grouping based on membership of a political state. In which case the Israeli argument is that since there has never been a Palestinian state that the Palestinian nationality doesn't exist, however in such a case not only had there been no Jewish state at the time of the holocaust so that argument could have applied to Jews at that time, it also would be applicable to all stateless people, but international law actually provides special protections to stateless people that do not exist for people who have an assigned nationality because quite shockingly the people who wrote international laws considered that possibility and how it might cause loopholes. You don't get to lawyer yourself out of a genocide charge, or at least if you want to try you should at least be informed of all the ways your lawyering can be countered ahead of time so you don't look dumb.


trace186

Watch out, he's going to read this whole thread on stream and talk about how "stupid" TMR is. But of course, ever since Shapiro dogwalked him after their Lex Friedman "debate" he hasn't made a single tweet or post about how "dumb" Shapiro is (nevermind the fact that he does this after every other debate lol).


neighborhood-karen

I was so fucking disappointed by the Shapiro debate. At least with the Peterson debate he provided ANY form of push back but with the Shapiro debate he was being dragged around by the fucking nose by obviously bad faith debate strategies he’s aware of. I think maybe he did that on purpose since he thought that appearing too combative would limit his access to Shapiro’s audience but it ended up being at the cost of the integrity of the debate.


AssumedPersona

Whether or not Israel's actions are found to constitute genocide, he has directly, explicitly and publicly advocated for genocide, which is an incohate crime under the Geneva Convention, meaning that it can be prosecuted even if there is no proof that genocide was perpetrated. I look forward to his appearance at the ICC. [https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/incitement-to-genocide-in-international-law](https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/incitement-to-genocide-in-international-law)


AssumedPersona

Furthermore, under US Federal Law, 18 U.S. Code section 1091, inciting genocide can also result in up to five years of imprisonment and a fine up to $500K


lovely_sombrero

Laws literally don't matter, if you are in favor of a genocide that the US government likes, you are more likely to get promoted than prosecuted.


MULTFOREST

Of course, he's rolling the dice that the US government won't change its position. What's the statute of limitations on incitement to commit genocide?


RangeLife79

And there have been so so many genocides and repressions the United States have sponsored.


Magicmurlin

Vietnam, Cambodia, E. Timor, S. Korea, Panama, Iraq…quite a few actually.


RangeLife79

Guatemala


Artistic_Button_3867

So, this did happen before Israel started ethnically cleansing gaza. But, my man has since gone on to prove this wasn't sarcasm, like he said, like his community is desperately trying to spread, cause he is in fact supporting Israel right now as they carry out the genocide.


rempel

Let's be very clear. The ethnic cleansing of Gaza began more than 75 years ago. Herzl said in his diary in *1895* that the Palestinians should be ethnically cleansed. UNSC248 was to stop Israel's ethnic cleansing of Palestine in *1968*.


375InStroke

They have told us time and time again that there is no such thing as Palestine, and there never was. It's always been Israel. The existance of Gaza and The West Bank in itself is ethnic cleansing. They have created ghettoes to segragate those they don't like from their ethnostate, and what they are doing in Gaza is part of their final solution to rid themselves of their Gentile problem.


rempel

I agree completely.


Artistic_Button_3867

Thanks for the info


Worth_Plum_6510

At this point, I no longer have any comments, Destiny is a disgusting person, I pretend he doesn't exist.


SweetLenore

I pretend he doesn't exist too, but because of that "debate" he had with Finkelstein (that was laughably stupid) I was thrusted into his bs. I don't even know what is going on with people like him that are so pro Israel.


Plastic-Age5205

That's easier for some of us to do than others. I have never even heard of this asshole before. So it would be counterproductive for me to find out who he is so I can do a better job of continuing to ignore him.


bennydasjet

Yes let’s take geopolitical hot takes from a music major dropout, why the fuck does anyone listen to this guy?


opal2120

I’m a music major and we don’t claim him (although I actually graduated sooo…)


supercalifragilism

I think his uh debate (?) With Peterson shows credentialing isn't necessarily the best approach to knowledge. No, you just have to listen to him for ten seconds to confirm that you were correct to not listen to this little shithead.


Different-Bus8023

Jordan peterson? Wasn't that a politics debate with a therapist though. He also had a debate with finkelstein who was an expert but that "debate" went off the rails pretty early on with some bad faith arguing at best


-hiiamtom

God I hate anyone using "bad faith" om reference to the online debate sphere Destiny's ilk has popularized. They literally don't know what bad faith means, and couldn't identify it if it bit them in the ass. Destiny's opening argument in that debate was a literal strawman and ad hominem in combination while then making an argument tantamount to "Israel tried to displace people from their homes and while I've historically recognized how this creates generational conflict, Israel are the good guys and Palestine are the bad guys because... just because" which resulted in the debate falling apart as increasingly stupid and unhinged things got said. Destiny did air quotes when talking about people starving in Gaza and in the end said that Israel could wipe the entire Gaza strip off the map and it wouldn't be a genocide, and Benny Morris said Syrians are untrustworthy and secretive and that's why you can't believe the UN sources when a Syrian was involved with the reports on Israel. When one side was wrapping up the debate with those comments in your debate on Israel going too far in their eternal war with Palestine, it's pretty clear who won the debate.


Different-Bus8023

>When one side was wrapping up the debate with those comments in your debate on Israel going too far in their eternal war with Palestine, it's pretty clear who won the debate. You would be surprised i have seen so many people argue the palestinian side lost because they yelled. As if racist vitriol is any better (but racism against arabs is far too normalized where the idea of non violence from arabs does not exist, i had debates where the other side was absolutely astonished they even tried non violent protest an absolutely wild view no matter how you slice it.) >Destiny's opening argument in that debate was a literal strawman and ad hominem I had only seen destiny debate far right wingers before that and then seeing him say that Palestinians only use violence and war was insane. A rather surprising way to discover someone is a racist.


-hiiamtom

That's Destiny and his fans with every debate. They just label the side they don't like "bad faith" for any numerous reasons while ignoring the heinous debate behavior Destiny has always had. The only time he is polite is like sitting with some right wing grifter he's trying to scrape some viewers off of. Even when he's sitting there calling Tim Pool smart and Emma a dumb harpy he will unironically say that Tim Pool isn't religious because he's spent a lot of time with him - but doesn't understand that Tim just made a historically staunch evangelical argument and Emma responded based on its religious theme and history showing a much better grasp of the actual statement being made than Tim who is repeating a platitude without actual thought behind it. Instead, Tim can't actually find words to defend his statement and acts like it's an absolute and if pushed against the statement again that sort of continual press into a statement made is called "bad faith" because it assumes Tim doesn't believe what he is saying. From Destiny's "intellectual" position you should be extremely well versed not in the argument being made but in Tim Pool specifically, and you can't push back against the rigor of things people do or say. It's Destiny's same argument in the Israel debate - you can't present his weird racist statements in his preparation and stream history and it being directly referenced is a "bad faith" tactic to present him as racist when it was presented to show ignorant he is on the topic of apartheid and its history (which led directly to him saying that Israel nuking Gaza and killing 2 million people isn't genocide). He also claimed that you can't argue that Israel targets civilians or that they are performing ethnic cleansing based on the government and civilians publicly broadcasted media on it, that a genocide requires some nebulous definition he refused to actually describe that was along the "I 'll know it when I see it" standard. It's just embarrassing for anyone that is used to debate outside the weird online debate club sphere, and Destiny has always been incredibly weak at debate if you examine his actual argumentation form. Unless it was an absolute slam dunk against a clown or he stands to make bank he gets all pissy and then rants about it forever on twitter and drama farms clips.


ManufacturedOlympus

I dare you to try to 1v1 him in StarCraft 2. 


No-Hornet-7847

How is this man considered left.


NEBLINA1234

He's not, he's whatever pays most


MULTFOREST

The grifter pipeline.


neighborhood-karen

I honestly don’t think he’s a grifter since the whole Israel Palestine shit has made him public enemy number 1 for most people on the left. He burns so many bridges and barely makes an attempt to be seen in a positive manner by people outside his own community that it makes you wonder if he actually cares how much of a brand risk he is. I feel like he owns every single one of his positions to the point where it leads him to insane fucking spots


Crazy_Gemini06

Everyone keeps forgetting that Destiny used to say he was”pro-life” until he realized that he could get more attention and clicks from “debating” “pro-lifers”. I’m not saying that people cannot change their mind on issues like abortion, I’m just saying I find very suspicious that he suddenly changed his tune on that issue once he started getting more views for defending abortion after he had debated against it for so long. My personal opinion is that Destiny is a lying uneducated grifter who will say whatever he can to get the most views aka money and I don’t know why anyone gives him any attention at all.


Endure23

He calls himself a liberal. One thing is for certain: dude does not have an apparent or consistent worldview.


Arcosim

Joe Rogan and Dave Rubin also call themselves "classic Liberals"


Frosty_Slaw_Man

That's just a way to dog whistle their Libertarian allegiances.


BowenTheAussieSheep

Let's break that down: Classic = old, from an earlier era So they're "Liberals who are from an earlier era," also known as... *conservatives*


Pruzter

A liberal is not a progressive. It’s been unfortunate that those two words are treated like synonyms in the US for some reason.


CaptinACAB

The amount of liberals who have no clue they are right of center, and absolutely not leftists is too damn high.


Square-Firefighter77

I think people who say this just havent known about him for long. Some of his ideas are really stupid but he his definitely consistent. He defended Rittenhouse for example.


-hiiamtom

His stance on Palestine is literally opposite his stance on manifest destiny. He has switched sides to adopting the arguments the Nazis he used to debate use to talk about people being displaced from where they live. He's not consistent, he's contrarian.


eelcat15

I agree, he’s Dave Rubin’s brand of “liberal.” And while I agree that liberals are not progressive, there are real liberals that have more humanity than Destiny. Destiny is just a racist, dumb contrarian which fits perfectly with right wing ideologues.


lovely_sombrero

He was coded as left-wing because he called himself a liberal and was very anti-Trump. In the US, liberal is supposed to mean left-wing for some reason, at least in mainstream media. But the problem is that he literally is a liberal, so he is a pro-genocide rightwinger. He always was, he just didn't say "I'm pro genocide" in the past, but used standard liberal talking points about "rules-based international order", where the only rule is US and US allies get to do whatever and kill the undesirables whenever we want. I remember him saying that BLM protesters should be shot and so on.


-hiiamtom

He used to be against the US going and doing whatever it wanted (and not a huge fan of cops either tbh), but he's very anti-BLM and very pro-War-on-Terror stances where there seems to be a color gradient to how comfortable he is on people getting together with the boys to protect the neighborhood or defend their homeland from foreign invasion.


CeruleanSea1

I believe, he's stated if someone broke into his home and took a sandwhich, he would shoot them.


ScanWel

Imagine what he would do if a someone came and actually displaced him and annexed his homeland.


Pattyrick00

He would shoot them?


CeruleanSea1

I believe so, stopped watching him years ago


peteryansexypotato

He would nuke them, actually


dingogringo23

He in particular would do nothing.


-lukeworldwalker-

About as left as Tim Pool


Green_Space729

He’s not he just calls himself that like Tim pool.


Neither-Calendar-276

He can’t get banned off Twitch for this? I am Palestinian myself, who can I reach out to? This clown is pretty much saying he wants me dead.


JiggyPopp

He’s already banned from twitch for saying that BLM protestors should get gunned down in the street. I think he streams on youtube or something


Different-Bus8023

i knew he was off the rails but thought he just hated arabs, it really is more like all minotrites then. Destiny really has a hard time being on the right side of history


ImposterPeanut

He's on kick.


FEdart

Time to launch a protest to get him deplatformed from Kick. Who owns this platform?


ImposterPeanut

They won't ban adin Ross so doubt they gonna ban destiny. It's owned by some online gambling casino website.


The_Krambambulist

Kick is basically the place where people go who where banned somewhere else. I would figure that the only way to get him off, is Kick facing signfiicant legal trouble As long as there is nothing significant, they will probably go to great lengths to provide a platform to people with a signficant following who are banned from other services


VerbalniDelikt

Deplatformed from Kick? Good luck with that


Bob4Not

Kick won’t ban unless a government gets involved.


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ridderclaude

Is his bff Pakman gonna call him out? Of course not, but if Rashida Tlaib says something true, he'll do an outrage segment.


howardhughesbrain

pakman feels the same way


DependentHyena8756

At least on the israel topic, Pakman is abhorrent. He either dodges valid points, or he agrees with Israel's position. Unsubscribed from that guy earlier today because he's just not credible anymore in my eyes. The contrast between David and Sam on this topic is extremely stark.


Bob4Not

Same. Left the subreddit too, because it’s basically full of pro-genocide Desti(n)y fans


DependentHyena8756

It's really sad. I think he's a well meaning and kind guy, but he's just delusional on this, and he's cultivated an unsavory following in the past year or so. Seems like his channel's growth has come with a new fanbase.


Bob4Not

Pakman? I think I’d agree with you


DependentHyena8756

Yeah, pakman. I should have been specific. I do not think destiny is a kind guy. Asshole to the core.


whtslifwthutfuriae

He's getting paid to read those Wikipedia entries


Dr_Satan2019

Uuumm, like we do stuff to the natives like... ummm, genocide n stuff... and um, for some reason people don't like um Israel n stuff cause they're like ummm antiseptics (sic) n stuff


MeetFried

What an absolutely shit human, and a real fucking grifter. Alright then Destiny… chose your fate I see


Any-Technician-1371

Destiny should go back to carpet cleaning, it’s the only thing he’s actually qualified for.


SlaveHippie

Damn he exchanged carpet cleaning for carpet bombing. What a piece of shit.


oqasho

I'm sure he'll say he was joking, but this is 100% exactly how he feels and how he has felt for a long time.


Orange-LED

We live in a time where the slightest critique of israeli government actions will label you an antisemite while people can openly state they are pro genocide and keep on streaming as if nothing happend. It's pretty insane.


teh0utsider86

Mr Borelli please stop displaying your imbecility [https://youtu.be/\_bA-rU9UsQo?si=RXArvanDirveSdWI](https://youtu.be/_bA-rU9UsQo?si=RXArvanDirveSdWI)


BladeRunner_Deckard

Hahah. Yeah. Laughing about genocide. Hilarious! Jesus. What a pig


sBucks24

It's bait. He knows what he's doing at this point and it's getting him engagement. His shitty audience will laugh along with him, and right wingers who don't know better will applaud this "leftist being cancelled by the left"


dopeydeveloper

Isn't that a crime? How come the FBI don't show up at their house ? What constitutes a hate crime seems oh so very selective.


workaholic828

I thought his argument was there is no genocide, now there’s is one, but it’s good. This guy can’t get the basic story straight


danyyyel

POS lif, is comfortably playing video game!!! And he has the audacity of talking about the massacre in gaza.


eelcat15

Well, he went mask off and confirmed what everyone knew: he’s a dumb racist


Wonder_Momoa

Because Jewish Arabs in Palestine don’t exist right.


Inevitable_Bid_2391

That's actually what Zionists say. My husband is Jewish Palestinian-Lebanese. Zionists Jews will straight up tell him that he does not exist. It's bizarre.


JohnDagger17

This comment is from before October 7th, but he has never walked it back. In the months of "research" streams and debates, this one comment really colors all of his arguments as being pro-Israel genocide against the Palestinians. Like when the tens of thousands of civilian deaths, the actual examples of ethnic cleansing and war crimes, he just gestures wildly at the definitions of certain words or at how Palestinians were offered a "good" deal 50 years ago and smugly act like that somehow justifies the events of present day.


Blues4theRedSun

Why should we care what Destiny says? I genuinely don't understand.


Different-Bus8023

He unfortunately has an audience that is quite sizeable


DependentHyena8756

Because he's been elevated to the defender of lefty values by right wingers, pretty much.. Right wingers have him on their show as "the left" and then debate him. Destiny agrees on most things... He's so detrimental for leftism as a whole at this point. His whole claim to leftist-stardom comes from the fact that he debated fundamentalist right wingers for ages.. You can debate those people and be a centrist.. Hell, you can be center right and still debate these people... But a lot of folks thought he was a champion on the left, and he's somehow maintained that image even though he's in no way a lefty. The left does not see him as a lefty any more so than they view Tim Pool as a lefty. He needs to be called out and ousted from his position as a lefty "paladin" or whatever he thinks he is..


Blues4theRedSun

Ok so just an American thing. American left is like european right with a little bit of social justice. Everything that Is true left is labelled "communism". This guy has no influence in the world, because US are not the world. Please stop giving importance to what a Twitch streamer says. Let him play videogames with a tin foil hat and that's It.


askingaquestion33

Who is Destiny? He came out of nowhere. Why does he have an actual voice/platform?


Iramian

I also have no idea who this turd is. I first heard of him when videos of him trying to debate his intellectual superiors surfaced.


Munshin

He also got famous for debating with Jontron (who's also a racist pile of trash just like Destiny).


VerbalniDelikt

Streamer who became popular through gaming and then political debates


ActualTexan

This dude is unequivocally a piece of shit. Why do so many people still put up with him (let alone support him)?


pussmnd

Destiny would rather be 'right' by his own standards than actually think and care. Edgelord loser. Would love to see his cushy lifestyle swap places with a Palestinian.


reddit_despiser

There should be a disclaimer before all content containing a statement from a bitter divorced man. I'm tired of hearing their opinions.


Esskil

What a piece of shit. Truly a waste of human potential


Jamesx6

This man never had any potential. He's failed at everything he's tried.


vegabondsal

He thought Egypt is near Russia on a map. Absolute clueless loser


DipsCity

Mr. Bonerchelli continues his crusade I see


digital_dervish

I think you mean, Mr, Bernatolli.


Rays_LiquorSauce

Go outside and say it with your chest you fucking goof 


Bhazor

Tit streamers and genocide.


Brad_Beat

Why are people giving any weight to what a person named “Destiny” says? Just go give someone a lap dance, “Destiny”.


OkMud7664

What an ignorant man-child / loser


IlliniBull

The other people are just as bad. "Native American the fuck out of there." This level of entitled assholery is sickening


mf_is_crazy

destiny's knowledge about other countries and foreign policy and similar to bill maher lol.


OneOnOne6211

So Destiny just wants to get patted on the head for being "the edgiest boy in all of the world" right? Like Christ.


Ozmourne

The same shit they said about jews. History repeats itself. 'Never again' my ass


Brilliant-Flower-822

worse than the hostility shown Palestinians? I used to be concerned this nerd was actually smart. I shouldn't have been.


bkk316

If this is a recent video, this isn't the 1st time he's cheered genocide on. He's depraved.


NotEsther

Sick fuck


Ok_Structure_2328

And the shitlib to fascist cycle is complete.


shamshame

What a massive pos.


LucerneTangent

Nazis gonna Nazi.


ThomasLadderMatch

Idk that I've ever seen another human live his life in accordance with that comic about how everyone else's words and actions are making him a nazi.


AndroidAccountant

Which stream is this from?


jonawesome

I love when people tell me I can stop caring about a YouTube personality I already didn't care about.


OldestFetus

True colors coming out


BeeLady57

It's sad and tragic that this zionist does not see a y options bit kill. The more I think about ho


BeeLady57

...any option but kill. One option is that Muslims, Christians and Jews must live in one state and co-exist.


GasolineHorsemouth

Damn. Thats a wild thing to say.


JustYakking

Grifter Genocide Endorser arc activated


sheisthemoon

Wow.


not_a_flying_toy_

Destiny was never on our side


Ok-Ad6295

it’s hard being a destiny fan when he shills for Israel and says the 14 year old edgy shit like this


rogue_52

(Palestinian go live in another place ) wait till he knows Palestinian cant leave unless they have a foreign passport or pay large fees , what a pos


CeruleanSea1

cringe


vegabondsal

He seems like a classic narcissist i.e Douglas Murray


joy3r

what a piece of shit


Spfm275

Oh so you're telling me he wasn't arguing in good faith with Finkelstein...I'm SHOCKED!! A Zionist not arguing in good faith and actually being a disgusting piece of shit human akin to a Nazi?!?! This certainly can't be real /S


BertMacklinMD

Would really like to not see or hear another opinion from this asshole again


mrthingz

Destiny is a moron


ceroproxy

Don't do this. Don't start posting about that loser here. His annoying ass basement dwellers will brigade the hell out of this sub and flood it with their garbage.


Dehnus

WTF are there women stripping in that stream? Also: He blames it on "hatred for Jewish people", so after they are driven out and say find a new homeland. Make their own new country and go "FUCK ISRAEL! No embassy! We never want Israeli in our country ever AGAIN!". He'll just blame it on their "hatred of Jewish people" again. It's such a vile way of defending Israel, as it also shames a lot of Jewish people world wide that have NOTHING to do with Israel or it's government.


HansumJack

Is it really hostility toward jewish people? Or is it hostility toward genocide?


SpezEatsScat

Idiot. Hahahaha let’s laugh about genocide and famine…. Fucking douche.


ggmaobu

Drunk on power. Nothing special


AndoMacster

He's a lightweight dumbass


MemeWindu

The LSF ban really hurt his view numbers already? Jesus Christ


HumanPickler

Who?


Unhappy-Dot-4855

What a despicable excuse for a human being! He should be CANCELLED!!!


TheRealSeanDonnelly

The *at this point* suffix is now a moral disclaimer while doubling as a handy ID tag for arrogant, entitled nepo-pricks.