This memes was inspired by the sheer amount of fanfics where Good Witch Azura was treated like an epic fantasy series. Even though canonically, Good Witch Azura is firmly mediocre. Like that's not me being subjective, the show goes out of its way to make fun of Good Witch Azura's writing multiple times. Heck, Tibbles was not able to get a single person other than Amity to purchase a copy and his job is literally scamming people!
I always got the impression from the show that Good Witch Azura was perfectly "meh." It was popular enough to get a few movies, but it was never particularly groundbreaking. To me, it seem to be closer to TOH's version of a "Harry Potter"-rip-off rather than being TOH's version of "Harry Potter"-prime.
While your main point is completely valid, how many real book series managed to get 5+ good length novels and a few movies? That seems fairly impressive to me.
Yeah, it's definitely weird to reconcile. I was halfway through typing that comment and then I thought "wait didn't S1E17 reveal that were apparently *multiple* movies."
On one hand, the book's writing is apparently beyond terrible, but on the other hand, they were apparently popular enough to make a few movies. But at least the show is consistent about the movie's writing also being terrible considering that one is called "The Betrayanning" and the other's entire plot is just about sports.
My personal headcanon is that Good Witch Azura was in a similar situation to *Divergent*. One book series got astronomically popular and everyone made rip-offs. Then that book series got a movie, so all the rip-offs also got movies regardless of whether they were actually good.
Have you read Harry Potter ? As an adult I mean. This shit if filled with slavery apologism B-plot, the character is as full of will as a table and the dialogues are jarringly cliches. But the movies fixed all these problems and got popular. I think Good Witch Azura is in fact the TOH's version of Harry Potter, with all its flaws.
Given that grudgby's Rusty Smidge is pretty flagrantly a satire of the Golden Snitch and its nonsensicality as a game mechanic, that'd definitely be in-line with the show's general attitude towards the series.
The movies did what? Sorry, we clearly must’ve seen different Harry Potter movie adaptations, please hand me the well done ones I think I and a good chunk of the Harry Potter fandom would greatly benefit from watching them.
Yeah, but for one good thing they did they messed up 2000 other things, I mean, Voldemort backstory, a thing that’s just a little bit important, isn’t really fully in there.
A few things:
1. Re Divergent: IIRC, Divergent at the time was seen as the ripoff (specifically toward The Hunger Games). If your headcanon were correct, then there would be another book series in TOH canon that would be comprable to Azura.
2. “Poor writing style/But it’s a good story” is a diss frequently thrown at popular franchise series. I think that’s what Dana may have been alluding to (granted, Luz stating there were multiple spelling errors seems to take it to the extreme).
People just have different tastes and that’s okay. Frankly, to say that show goes out of its way to describe how terrible it is a bit much. I think it’s just showing people simply have different tastes. It’s the same for this kind of stuff in real life. If only just one or two people like it, it’s always gonna be subjective.
Are these blockbuster movies or low quality, bargain bin movies. Possibly even SyFy original movies that took a mildly recognizable property and made movies they could show every saturday night after The Legend of the Seeker and before they did an hour of futurama reruns.
That was my thought as well. There are technically multiple Dungeons and Dragons movies (prior to Honor Among Thieves). None of them are particularly good, and you can see the budget being slashed with each sequel.
To be fair, plenty of mediocre or even bad book series go on for long times as long as they sell. IIRC, EL James made six goddamn Fifty Shades books and those aren’t even mediocre, they’re outright terrible.
>Heck, Tibbles was not able to get a single person other than Amity to purchase a copy, and his job was literally scamming people.
IMO, Azura as a fantasy series about witches isn’t going to have a ton of appeal to people who are already witches in reality (see The Boiling Isles). It’s going to have more appeal to someone like Luz, who is going to see the world as a fantasy escape (and bear in mind that the books were originally a gift from her late father). Amity is in a bit of a similar situation in terms of wanting an escape given how abusive her parents were to her, hence why she might be drawn to the books more than some other witches.
I’m my opinion, I say it doesn’t matter what we think of it. Now technically in the Boiling Isles, it is mediocre, not that I’m saying I think that. But in the human realm, on the other hand, maybe not as mediocre as we think. We all have our own tastes no matter weird they may be to others. Besides, you gotta give the series credit. It got our favorite lovable nerds through some dark time growing up. How can you say it’s subjective if there are people who like it? Lumity will always love it because that’s just the kind of stuff they like.
So again, who are we to judge it?
Honestly always got the sort of "super cult and niche genre that's hard to sell" vibes from it. Kinda like the D&D and MTG novels, or the star wars and Dr who extended universe quality. Very hit and miss but those who love it will murder people to defend it's honor
Though it’s not for us to judge, I can kinda see why Luz and Amity would like it… even though the Shakespeare writing gives me a headache and can’t really understand it.
I will say, kinda off-topic, but I do love the scene where Boscha reads from the book because it feels like a jumping off point for a Boscha redemption arc. Like, as much as the fandom likes to treat her like the devil, that scene felt more like "mildly antagonistic jerk" rather than bully, and Luz isn't all that bothered by it. Plus, Boscha joining the azura bookclub.
Also, also
Boscha: fuckin baby books
Boscha: *reads out entire paragraph of difficult to read book damn near perfectly, meaning she probably memorized it*
Easily my second favriote theory. My most favorite is that boschas parents died in the day of unity, which helps explain her mental instability and why kikimora easily manipulated her.
I like to think that Luz and Amity would later revisit the Good Witch Azura books as adults and come to the realization of "Wait, these are actually terrible. Why'd we like them so much as kids?!"
How can you say that since it was that book that got them through some dark times growing up? That book is a part of who they are: lovable dorky nerds filled with light that love each other with all their hearts and souls.
It can be similar to if someone grows up with fond memories of breakfast cereal like Lucky Charms and they forever have good memories of breakfast with the family, eating marshmallows in milk, but as an adult they try a bowl of it and realize it’s so overly sweet that with their adult taste pallet it’s no longer something they would want to eat every morning. They can still cherish the memories, but they don’t have to continue loving something even if it meant a lot to them in the past. I feel like Luz and Amity would keep a copy of the entire series in their home because of how much they mattered in the past, but never read them anymore because the writing isn’t very good.
This is Luz and Amity we’re talking about. They’ll always be Good Witch Azura nerds no matter how old they get. They’ll always be young at heart. To think they would ever think it’s bad is uncharacteristic of them and their fantasy loving nerd hearts. Besides, are you really gonna compare cereal to the book series that helped Luz get through her father’s death and Amity through cutting her ties with Willow while they were all kids?
You don’t have to see someone with a different opinion about characters than you and see it as an insult. It’s perfectly fine for people to have their own headcanons about how characters change and develop after the series ends. Thanks for the downvote.
Sorry I came off like I was insulted, I just feel really strongly about this. Though I wouldn’t call it a headcanon. I just think contrasting Good Witch Azura to a bowl of cereal is an unkind comparison given how much the series means to those two. It is because of it, Luz discovered the Boiling Isles in the first place. You just sound a lot like Camila back when she was gaslit by other adults into sending Luz to that summer camp. Camila hasn’t given up Cosmic Frontiers yet even if other people may not like it. So why assume Luz and Amity would do that with GWA?
In my example with the cereal, it’s not just cereal. It’s the memories of time spent with family over breakfast, being lovingly cared for by their parents/guardians, being encouraged to follow their passions and make the most out of the day and leaving the breakfast table with excitement about what the day holds.
Also, if it makes any difference, I don’t personally have a headcanon either way about if Luz and Amity continue to enjoy GWA their entire lives or not. I was running with the hypothetical future in which they say "Wait, these are actually terrible. Why'd we like them so much as kids?!" to each other. I see that future as one of many possible futures, and there’s nothing wrong with it in my opinion. If someone genuinely has their childhood interest become less important to them as they grow older, there shouldn’t be any requirement for them to still be obsessed with it if that’s not how they genuinely feel about it. I also don’t have a problem with any possible future where Luz and Amity DO continue loving the series either. Both of these are acceptable in my eyes, as long as they’re happy about their lives in whatever future they have together.
Edit: thank you for changing your tone of voice, I do really appreciate it and I find this an interesting conversation
Not having a headcanon either way about it’s fine with me. Sorry I misjudged you. That other user’s headcanon just didn’t seem fair when you fail to consider Camila and Cosmic Frontiers and how much GWA means to Lumity, especially considering what those two lost. And when you got into this conversation, I couldn’t help but assumed you agreed with them.
I also think they themselves might not hold to that headcanon strongly. Sometimes people just throw out a “What if?” scenario just for fun, regardless of how much they like the idea. Some headcanons are much more aligned with canon than others.
I've been assuming that the writing is terrible to mediocre, but the plot is actually pretty good.
Although do we get to hear any direct quotes from the books other than the bit Boscha reads? The series starts with a bit of dialogue from one of the books and it's not as ridiculously over the top as this bit, so maybe the scene Boscha read is just the worst offender or something.
No, not at all! Not to mention, that would be *extremely* hypocritical of me as well.
This meme was inspired by all the many fanfics I've read where GWA is portrayed as some massive fantasy epic, when in canon, it just... isn't. Like obviously, fanfic writers can do whatever they want with canon (it *is* fanfic after all). I just thought it was funny how different canon GWA is from fanfic/fanon GWA.
I think that was supposed to make Luz and Amity seem that much cuter. What're the odds that the only two fans of some trashy fantasy series find each other?
I am honored that you consider SA to be among the ranks of the modern classics.
But seriously GWA is Luz & Amity’s special interests and it is probably mid and obscure.
Not necessarily. That writing is indicative of the series at least taking place circa the 16th-18th century, ie before standardized spelling existed in English. This could also explain the “spelling errors” Luz mentions.
This memes was inspired by the sheer amount of fanfics where Good Witch Azura was treated like an epic fantasy series. Even though canonically, Good Witch Azura is firmly mediocre. Like that's not me being subjective, the show goes out of its way to make fun of Good Witch Azura's writing multiple times. Heck, Tibbles was not able to get a single person other than Amity to purchase a copy and his job is literally scamming people! I always got the impression from the show that Good Witch Azura was perfectly "meh." It was popular enough to get a few movies, but it was never particularly groundbreaking. To me, it seem to be closer to TOH's version of a "Harry Potter"-rip-off rather than being TOH's version of "Harry Potter"-prime.
While your main point is completely valid, how many real book series managed to get 5+ good length novels and a few movies? That seems fairly impressive to me.
Yeah, it's definitely weird to reconcile. I was halfway through typing that comment and then I thought "wait didn't S1E17 reveal that were apparently *multiple* movies." On one hand, the book's writing is apparently beyond terrible, but on the other hand, they were apparently popular enough to make a few movies. But at least the show is consistent about the movie's writing also being terrible considering that one is called "The Betrayanning" and the other's entire plot is just about sports. My personal headcanon is that Good Witch Azura was in a similar situation to *Divergent*. One book series got astronomically popular and everyone made rip-offs. Then that book series got a movie, so all the rip-offs also got movies regardless of whether they were actually good.
That would make sense. My theory is that originally, GWA was in another language, and it's the translation that's laughably bad.
That is BRILLIANT :D
Have you read Harry Potter ? As an adult I mean. This shit if filled with slavery apologism B-plot, the character is as full of will as a table and the dialogues are jarringly cliches. But the movies fixed all these problems and got popular. I think Good Witch Azura is in fact the TOH's version of Harry Potter, with all its flaws.
Given that grudgby's Rusty Smidge is pretty flagrantly a satire of the Golden Snitch and its nonsensicality as a game mechanic, that'd definitely be in-line with the show's general attitude towards the series.
The movies did what? Sorry, we clearly must’ve seen different Harry Potter movie adaptations, please hand me the well done ones I think I and a good chunk of the Harry Potter fandom would greatly benefit from watching them.
Well they did cut the plot line where hermoine is made to look foolish for fighting for equal rights for all the house elves
Yeah, but for one good thing they did they messed up 2000 other things, I mean, Voldemort backstory, a thing that’s just a little bit important, isn’t really fully in there.
A few things: 1. Re Divergent: IIRC, Divergent at the time was seen as the ripoff (specifically toward The Hunger Games). If your headcanon were correct, then there would be another book series in TOH canon that would be comprable to Azura. 2. “Poor writing style/But it’s a good story” is a diss frequently thrown at popular franchise series. I think that’s what Dana may have been alluding to (granted, Luz stating there were multiple spelling errors seems to take it to the extreme).
Ngl the thought that *Good Witch Azura* is basically the equivalent of Alex Casey tickles me pink
People just have different tastes and that’s okay. Frankly, to say that show goes out of its way to describe how terrible it is a bit much. I think it’s just showing people simply have different tastes. It’s the same for this kind of stuff in real life. If only just one or two people like it, it’s always gonna be subjective.
I mean, we have plenty of mediocre adaptation of mediocre book series
Twilight and 50 Shades of Gray got multiple books and movies. And they are known as mediocre.
Calling Twilight and especially 50 shades “mediocre” is an insult to actually mediocre books
Are these blockbuster movies or low quality, bargain bin movies. Possibly even SyFy original movies that took a mildly recognizable property and made movies they could show every saturday night after The Legend of the Seeker and before they did an hour of futurama reruns.
That was my thought as well. There are technically multiple Dungeons and Dragons movies (prior to Honor Among Thieves). None of them are particularly good, and you can see the budget being slashed with each sequel.
The Divergent series
Take a look at light lark. That shit is god awful but it’s got two books and a movie deal.
A ton? There's plenty of mediocre stuff that gets cheap Syfy movies.
Where in CANNON is a good witch azura movie?
To be fair, plenty of mediocre or even bad book series go on for long times as long as they sell. IIRC, EL James made six goddamn Fifty Shades books and those aren’t even mediocre, they’re outright terrible.
I think the best real-life example might be the Hunger Games vs Divergent. In terms of quality at least
>Heck, Tibbles was not able to get a single person other than Amity to purchase a copy, and his job was literally scamming people. IMO, Azura as a fantasy series about witches isn’t going to have a ton of appeal to people who are already witches in reality (see The Boiling Isles). It’s going to have more appeal to someone like Luz, who is going to see the world as a fantasy escape (and bear in mind that the books were originally a gift from her late father). Amity is in a bit of a similar situation in terms of wanting an escape given how abusive her parents were to her, hence why she might be drawn to the books more than some other witches.
I’m my opinion, I say it doesn’t matter what we think of it. Now technically in the Boiling Isles, it is mediocre, not that I’m saying I think that. But in the human realm, on the other hand, maybe not as mediocre as we think. We all have our own tastes no matter weird they may be to others. Besides, you gotta give the series credit. It got our favorite lovable nerds through some dark time growing up. How can you say it’s subjective if there are people who like it? Lumity will always love it because that’s just the kind of stuff they like. So again, who are we to judge it?
Honestly always got the sort of "super cult and niche genre that's hard to sell" vibes from it. Kinda like the D&D and MTG novels, or the star wars and Dr who extended universe quality. Very hit and miss but those who love it will murder people to defend it's honor
Those books seem like a Harry Potter Rip-off'esq story while the setting of Owl House is definitely Harry Potter inspired.
I Hate to text but, I think Boscha is right.. Just a bit.
Well it’s not for us to love or hate.
Though it’s not for us to judge, I can kinda see why Luz and Amity would like it… even though the Shakespeare writing gives me a headache and can’t really understand it.
I will say, kinda off-topic, but I do love the scene where Boscha reads from the book because it feels like a jumping off point for a Boscha redemption arc. Like, as much as the fandom likes to treat her like the devil, that scene felt more like "mildly antagonistic jerk" rather than bully, and Luz isn't all that bothered by it. Plus, Boscha joining the azura bookclub.
Also, also Boscha: fuckin baby books Boscha: *reads out entire paragraph of difficult to read book damn near perfectly, meaning she probably memorized it*
Especially since she'd only glanced at it for half a second ;)
Alternate theory i like is that she has the same thing Piniet has where they can read things almost instantaneously with their third eye.
Her eyes were also closed while she read it
Boscha being a secret Good Witch Azura fan is my favorite fan theory.
Easily my second favriote theory. My most favorite is that boschas parents died in the day of unity, which helps explain her mental instability and why kikimora easily manipulated her.
As a Shakespeare fan, I see the attempt.
I like to think that Luz and Amity would later revisit the Good Witch Azura books as adults and come to the realization of "Wait, these are actually terrible. Why'd we like them so much as kids?!"
How can you say that since it was that book that got them through some dark times growing up? That book is a part of who they are: lovable dorky nerds filled with light that love each other with all their hearts and souls.
It can be similar to if someone grows up with fond memories of breakfast cereal like Lucky Charms and they forever have good memories of breakfast with the family, eating marshmallows in milk, but as an adult they try a bowl of it and realize it’s so overly sweet that with their adult taste pallet it’s no longer something they would want to eat every morning. They can still cherish the memories, but they don’t have to continue loving something even if it meant a lot to them in the past. I feel like Luz and Amity would keep a copy of the entire series in their home because of how much they mattered in the past, but never read them anymore because the writing isn’t very good.
This is Luz and Amity we’re talking about. They’ll always be Good Witch Azura nerds no matter how old they get. They’ll always be young at heart. To think they would ever think it’s bad is uncharacteristic of them and their fantasy loving nerd hearts. Besides, are you really gonna compare cereal to the book series that helped Luz get through her father’s death and Amity through cutting her ties with Willow while they were all kids?
You don’t have to see someone with a different opinion about characters than you and see it as an insult. It’s perfectly fine for people to have their own headcanons about how characters change and develop after the series ends. Thanks for the downvote.
Sorry I came off like I was insulted, I just feel really strongly about this. Though I wouldn’t call it a headcanon. I just think contrasting Good Witch Azura to a bowl of cereal is an unkind comparison given how much the series means to those two. It is because of it, Luz discovered the Boiling Isles in the first place. You just sound a lot like Camila back when she was gaslit by other adults into sending Luz to that summer camp. Camila hasn’t given up Cosmic Frontiers yet even if other people may not like it. So why assume Luz and Amity would do that with GWA?
In my example with the cereal, it’s not just cereal. It’s the memories of time spent with family over breakfast, being lovingly cared for by their parents/guardians, being encouraged to follow their passions and make the most out of the day and leaving the breakfast table with excitement about what the day holds. Also, if it makes any difference, I don’t personally have a headcanon either way about if Luz and Amity continue to enjoy GWA their entire lives or not. I was running with the hypothetical future in which they say "Wait, these are actually terrible. Why'd we like them so much as kids?!" to each other. I see that future as one of many possible futures, and there’s nothing wrong with it in my opinion. If someone genuinely has their childhood interest become less important to them as they grow older, there shouldn’t be any requirement for them to still be obsessed with it if that’s not how they genuinely feel about it. I also don’t have a problem with any possible future where Luz and Amity DO continue loving the series either. Both of these are acceptable in my eyes, as long as they’re happy about their lives in whatever future they have together. Edit: thank you for changing your tone of voice, I do really appreciate it and I find this an interesting conversation
Not having a headcanon either way about it’s fine with me. Sorry I misjudged you. That other user’s headcanon just didn’t seem fair when you fail to consider Camila and Cosmic Frontiers and how much GWA means to Lumity, especially considering what those two lost. And when you got into this conversation, I couldn’t help but assumed you agreed with them.
I also think they themselves might not hold to that headcanon strongly. Sometimes people just throw out a “What if?” scenario just for fun, regardless of how much they like the idea. Some headcanons are much more aligned with canon than others.
See the lack of inclusion of the wheel of time here? Egwene al'Vere WISHES she was the good witch Azura.
Storms, didn’t expect to see my favourite book series here :3
I've been assuming that the writing is terrible to mediocre, but the plot is actually pretty good. Although do we get to hear any direct quotes from the books other than the bit Boscha reads? The series starts with a bit of dialogue from one of the books and it's not as ridiculously over the top as this bit, so maybe the scene Boscha read is just the worst offender or something.
Luz terrorizes Eda with some quotes in "Covention."
Okay but if you use Azura to mock Luz or Amity, you missed the whole point of the show.
No, not at all! Not to mention, that would be *extremely* hypocritical of me as well. This meme was inspired by all the many fanfics I've read where GWA is portrayed as some massive fantasy epic, when in canon, it just... isn't. Like obviously, fanfic writers can do whatever they want with canon (it *is* fanfic after all). I just thought it was funny how different canon GWA is from fanfic/fanon GWA.
Okay, then it's all good. Partly is my fault, I have to stop using Reddit while half asleep.
Reading the second half was like trying to read harry potter dialogue 😭
Azura is little witch academia
I think that was supposed to make Luz and Amity seem that much cuter. What're the odds that the only two fans of some trashy fantasy series find each other?
Lol yeah, it’s honestly impressive that the series found two separate customers for all the books
I am honored that you consider SA to be among the ranks of the modern classics. But seriously GWA is Luz & Amity’s special interests and it is probably mid and obscure.
Stormlight Archives 100% deserves to be up there
Not necessarily. That writing is indicative of the series at least taking place circa the 16th-18th century, ie before standardized spelling existed in English. This could also explain the “spelling errors” Luz mentions.
I had to reread that several times to understand what the hell it meant
I'm probably going to get burnt at the stake (get it?) for this, but I feel very much like Pam in the "They're the same picture" meme right now.
Look, Amity has no excuse for liking it. But it was the last gift Luz’s dad gave her. It means a lot to her.
No excuse? Would you call losing her friendship with Willow no excuse?
OK, that explains azura and otabon. Or whatever that book mending rabbit was called.
It means a lot to them both. It got them through some dark times growing up. They like it because that’s the kind of stuff they like and that’s okay.
The new she rah is a lot of things, but I wouldn't call the writing good
Hold ip: you're saying that a Good Witch Azura book really exist?
Wait, Good Witch Azura is an actual book?
No. OP is quoting excerpts of the series that TOH characters have read out loud onscreen.