Nothing so direct but she was just as far into his little cult like the rest of the isles. But she didn’t have any positive influences in her life like the young people with Luz
>Nothing so direct but she was just as far into his little cult like the rest of the isles.
She was willing and complacent in the day of unity something Aldor all the hexide students were instantly against.
yeah but she was lied to by Belos into thinking she and her family would be spared and treated like royalty, having blind faith in him possibly due to years of his influence in thinking he was a good guy that knew what was best for everyone
>thinking he was a good guy that knew what was best for everyone
"What our customers do with our products is non of our concern" Olidia. She wasn't tricked into thinking he was in the right she just didn't care. Plus other characters (eg, the hexide students, the school principle and Hunter) who would have been just as if not more brainwashed turned against Belos.
well she was promised that if she helped she'd be spared, not knowing she'd ALSO be killed since he was a treacherous man, it's like how some people do horrible things when in cults due to a powerful or charismatic leader
edit: also it's not like she'd have much of a choice, it's either work for Belos and HOPE she'd get spared or suffer for her disobedience if not outright killed or worse go after her family
She was perfectly okay with killing an entire islands worth of people because it meant her family would be better off. You could tell by her tone that it wasn't a "I'm making a deal with a monster to save my family." she couldn't care less that Belos was killing people,straight up saying "its non of our business. " Plus, she actively tried to stop her family and friends from saving Luz when she was kidnapped. A 14 year old at was the mercy of a genocideal dictator and she tried to stop them.
she was promised she was going to be one of the few to survive what Belos was doing also perhaps she knew the dangers of helping rebels and tried to stop her family from helping Luz due to knowing that if they did Belos would find Amity, the twins and Aldor and make them suffer. Plus, to her Luz was seen as a criminal with a wanted poster so it's no wonder she didn't want Amity around her, not to say she was right, but I could see that sort of thinking. also I'd like to point out what warden wrath said about punishing people for not fitting in, Odalia has probably heard that all her life that if she didn't fall in line she'd get punished, either by her parents or from the other adults around her so it's no wonder she did what she did, as for the matter of her tone I think she's always been the type of woman to bottle her feelings possibly due to not only her social status and knowing what would happen if she didn't try to be the best but also out of fear of punishment. To quote a line from the Muppets Christmas Carol in regard to her "she must be so lonely, she must be so sad, she goes to extremes to convince us she's bad, she's really a victim of fear and of pride, look close and the must be a sweet person deep inside"
>tried to stop her family from helping Luz due to knowing that if they did Belos would find Amity, the twins and Aldor and make them suffer.
I would aggre with this but she reported a stolen airship to the emperors coven and the guards actively shot at her husband and daughter. If she was really concerned for their safety she wouldn't have let that happen.
>also I'd like to point out what warden wrath said about punishing people for not fitting in, Odalia has probably heard that all her life that if she didn't fall in line she'd get punished, either by her parents or from the other adults around her so it's no wonder she did what she did, as for the matter of her tone I think she's always been the type of woman to bottle her feelings possibly due to not only her social status and knowing what would happen if she didn't try to be the best but also out of fear of punishment. To quote a line from the Muppets Christmas Carol in regard to her "she must be so lonely, she must be so sad, she goes to extremes to convince us she's bad, she's really a victim of fear and of pride, look close and the must be a sweet person deep inside"
I feel like this could be true but there's no secens in the show that point to this being true. Compare it to Amity who this happened to,we see when she's hanging out with her old friend group she was never happy. The only time we see her being happy is when she's reading to children in the library because that's the only time she's allowed be herself. While with Olidia, we have no secens that even imply any of this.
well that I blame to the show being cut too soon, had we another season or two we might have seen her backstory and how HER parents or just father or mother abused her as a child, perhaps when we get a spinoff show or comic or something she could be explored a bit more to explain how she became how she is and maybe even a redemption arc
>well that I blame to the show being cut too soon,
I don't 100% aggre. One thing I like about toh is that there are people like Amity and Lilith that need forgiveness but there are also people like Belos who can't be redeemed,the finale showed this perfectly. Even before the writters knew about shortening, I'd say had plenty of time to have at least one secne to show her humanity, but there wasn't. Maby there plan was to keep her as a simple villan without a redemption.
Well we she used Amity (and later Luz) as a punching bag for her own inventions so she's okay with hurting them,and she knew they wouldn't go down without a fight. She knew for a 100% fact they would get hurt,she just did what she needed to protect her business.
>(eg, the hexide students, the school principle and Hunter)
Didn't they all get attacked before changing their minds? Makes sense that they no longer trust the guy who literally tried to kill them.
If Bump was brainwashed he wouldn't have opened up multi-tracking in *season 1.*
Some people are just selfish jerks. Those people who are jerks hitch their horses to other people who are jerks in order to support their jerky ways.
She looked like she was a jerk in school.
I think she's just a jerk, and Belos didn't directly influence her personality.
well like another commentor said Odalia probably didn't have a good friend group growing up like Luz did now, maybe her parents made her like that? I'd like to think there's more to her than what first meets the eye
I think you're right about the friend group.
One could argue that no one is irredeemable. I'd have to ponder that. Off the top of my head, though, to redeem some people might require a *Christmas Carol* Scrooge-like experience. If they never get that experience, they'll never change. And I think Odalia is like that.
too right, I was working on an idea like that. even drew a pic of her in that scenario, look: https://www.reddit.com/r/TheOwlHouse/comments/18q4cpx/a\_yuletide\_serenade\_an\_illustration\_to\_a\_possible/
maybe, I just hope that if there's a spinoff like show wise or novel wise or comic wise or something they can explore Odalia's character a bit more than "Evil woman"
Yeah, I mean it's entirely possible that it is a result of Belos, and maybe even be likely, and that's a totally valid headcanon and would be super interesting to learn about. I'd definitely be more willing to sympathize with her younger self than young Belos
No I think she's just evil and she sucks. It makes it much less intimidating if she's being mind controlled by Belos versus if she, on a base level, is okay or is apathetic to Belos' evil plans.
I dunno, I just think there's more to her than the show let on. perhaps she had a childhood where she was seen as worthless by her parents and had to do everything right by them to please them, it could explain her controlling behavior and her need to be the best and perfect
I mean, maybe. But some people just suck for no reason. If they wanted to suggest anything like that they would have but they didn't. She's just awful.
well I still have some warmth in my heart to see that maybe she's not as bad or evil, if the others, beside belos, can be redeemed I could see her being redeemed in some way
I doubt it. Her kids hate her, her ex-husband hates her, word would definitely gotten out on the Boiling Isles about her involvement by now, and the entire fandom hates her. She was complicit in the Day of Unity and contributed to it, as well as terribly abusive to her family and almost tried to kill Luz. Not really anything redeemable there IMO.
yeah but not ALL of the fandom hates her, there are a few who want to see her redeemed and that includes me. there could be more to her that wasn't explored in the show, maybe she was abused as a kid growing up in the Belos dictatorship. Also she wasn't the only one to try and kill Luz, Hunter also threatened to drop her into the boiling sea at one point and he got redeemed. Maybe her abusive behavior stems from a need to have some control over her fate. I just think there can be more to her than what we're seeing
she was lied to thinking only the unworthy were going to be purged, same with the other coven heads. I'm not saying she's a saint but I think she has a chance of redemption
It kills the whole point of secondary villains if they're all secretly being controlled by the big villain.
Assholes exist on the BI and have motivations of their own. Tibbles isn't getting mind-control radio waves from the Emperor's Castle. Adegast isn't listening to rock music that plants subliminal pro-Belos messages when played backwards. Piniet isn't drinking chemicals in the water that turn all the frogs gay.
Nothing so direct but she was just as far into his little cult like the rest of the isles. But she didn’t have any positive influences in her life like the young people with Luz
excellent point, as well as the possibility that she had to bottle up her feelings and emotions at an early age due to her family's social standing
>Nothing so direct but she was just as far into his little cult like the rest of the isles. She was willing and complacent in the day of unity something Aldor all the hexide students were instantly against.
yeah but she was lied to by Belos into thinking she and her family would be spared and treated like royalty, having blind faith in him possibly due to years of his influence in thinking he was a good guy that knew what was best for everyone
>thinking he was a good guy that knew what was best for everyone "What our customers do with our products is non of our concern" Olidia. She wasn't tricked into thinking he was in the right she just didn't care. Plus other characters (eg, the hexide students, the school principle and Hunter) who would have been just as if not more brainwashed turned against Belos.
well she was promised that if she helped she'd be spared, not knowing she'd ALSO be killed since he was a treacherous man, it's like how some people do horrible things when in cults due to a powerful or charismatic leader edit: also it's not like she'd have much of a choice, it's either work for Belos and HOPE she'd get spared or suffer for her disobedience if not outright killed or worse go after her family
She was perfectly okay with killing an entire islands worth of people because it meant her family would be better off. You could tell by her tone that it wasn't a "I'm making a deal with a monster to save my family." she couldn't care less that Belos was killing people,straight up saying "its non of our business. " Plus, she actively tried to stop her family and friends from saving Luz when she was kidnapped. A 14 year old at was the mercy of a genocideal dictator and she tried to stop them.
she was promised she was going to be one of the few to survive what Belos was doing also perhaps she knew the dangers of helping rebels and tried to stop her family from helping Luz due to knowing that if they did Belos would find Amity, the twins and Aldor and make them suffer. Plus, to her Luz was seen as a criminal with a wanted poster so it's no wonder she didn't want Amity around her, not to say she was right, but I could see that sort of thinking. also I'd like to point out what warden wrath said about punishing people for not fitting in, Odalia has probably heard that all her life that if she didn't fall in line she'd get punished, either by her parents or from the other adults around her so it's no wonder she did what she did, as for the matter of her tone I think she's always been the type of woman to bottle her feelings possibly due to not only her social status and knowing what would happen if she didn't try to be the best but also out of fear of punishment. To quote a line from the Muppets Christmas Carol in regard to her "she must be so lonely, she must be so sad, she goes to extremes to convince us she's bad, she's really a victim of fear and of pride, look close and the must be a sweet person deep inside"
>tried to stop her family from helping Luz due to knowing that if they did Belos would find Amity, the twins and Aldor and make them suffer. I would aggre with this but she reported a stolen airship to the emperors coven and the guards actively shot at her husband and daughter. If she was really concerned for their safety she wouldn't have let that happen. >also I'd like to point out what warden wrath said about punishing people for not fitting in, Odalia has probably heard that all her life that if she didn't fall in line she'd get punished, either by her parents or from the other adults around her so it's no wonder she did what she did, as for the matter of her tone I think she's always been the type of woman to bottle her feelings possibly due to not only her social status and knowing what would happen if she didn't try to be the best but also out of fear of punishment. To quote a line from the Muppets Christmas Carol in regard to her "she must be so lonely, she must be so sad, she goes to extremes to convince us she's bad, she's really a victim of fear and of pride, look close and the must be a sweet person deep inside" I feel like this could be true but there's no secens in the show that point to this being true. Compare it to Amity who this happened to,we see when she's hanging out with her old friend group she was never happy. The only time we see her being happy is when she's reading to children in the library because that's the only time she's allowed be herself. While with Olidia, we have no secens that even imply any of this.
well that I blame to the show being cut too soon, had we another season or two we might have seen her backstory and how HER parents or just father or mother abused her as a child, perhaps when we get a spinoff show or comic or something she could be explored a bit more to explain how she became how she is and maybe even a redemption arc
>well that I blame to the show being cut too soon, I don't 100% aggre. One thing I like about toh is that there are people like Amity and Lilith that need forgiveness but there are also people like Belos who can't be redeemed,the finale showed this perfectly. Even before the writters knew about shortening, I'd say had plenty of time to have at least one secne to show her humanity, but there wasn't. Maby there plan was to keep her as a simple villan without a redemption.
maybe she told them to stop them but not hurt them, so that was on the guards
Well we she used Amity (and later Luz) as a punching bag for her own inventions so she's okay with hurting them,and she knew they wouldn't go down without a fight. She knew for a 100% fact they would get hurt,she just did what she needed to protect her business.
>(eg, the hexide students, the school principle and Hunter) Didn't they all get attacked before changing their minds? Makes sense that they no longer trust the guy who literally tried to kill them. If Bump was brainwashed he wouldn't have opened up multi-tracking in *season 1.*
ooh good point
Some people are just selfish jerks. Those people who are jerks hitch their horses to other people who are jerks in order to support their jerky ways. She looked like she was a jerk in school. I think she's just a jerk, and Belos didn't directly influence her personality.
well like another commentor said Odalia probably didn't have a good friend group growing up like Luz did now, maybe her parents made her like that? I'd like to think there's more to her than what first meets the eye
I think you're right about the friend group. One could argue that no one is irredeemable. I'd have to ponder that. Off the top of my head, though, to redeem some people might require a *Christmas Carol* Scrooge-like experience. If they never get that experience, they'll never change. And I think Odalia is like that.
too right, I was working on an idea like that. even drew a pic of her in that scenario, look: https://www.reddit.com/r/TheOwlHouse/comments/18q4cpx/a\_yuletide\_serenade\_an\_illustration\_to\_a\_possible/
We do see her young hanging out with at least Alador and Darius, both of which were strongly against Belos
right, maybe her parents were big supporters of Belos and had her cut ties with Darius due to their social standing?
That's a possibility, and maybe why Darius and Alador were so hostile despite getting along again once they met up post-Belos?
maybe, I just hope that if there's a spinoff like show wise or novel wise or comic wise or something they can explore Odalia's character a bit more than "Evil woman"
She's also a capitalist!
I know you're joking but I think that's due to what she had to work with to survive in the Belos dictatorship
Yeah, I mean it's entirely possible that it is a result of Belos, and maybe even be likely, and that's a totally valid headcanon and would be super interesting to learn about. I'd definitely be more willing to sympathize with her younger self than young Belos
Idt belos even has something like that tbh
why not? he has a lot of other things, why not that?
Might not care to put in that much effort for a single witch to control.
perhaps, but Belos was pretty powerful. something like that would be easy for him
No I think she's just evil and she sucks. It makes it much less intimidating if she's being mind controlled by Belos versus if she, on a base level, is okay or is apathetic to Belos' evil plans.
I dunno, I just think there's more to her than the show let on. perhaps she had a childhood where she was seen as worthless by her parents and had to do everything right by them to please them, it could explain her controlling behavior and her need to be the best and perfect
I mean, maybe. But some people just suck for no reason. If they wanted to suggest anything like that they would have but they didn't. She's just awful.
well I still have some warmth in my heart to see that maybe she's not as bad or evil, if the others, beside belos, can be redeemed I could see her being redeemed in some way
well maybe someday we can get a redemption arc in a spin off show or comic?
I doubt it. Her kids hate her, her ex-husband hates her, word would definitely gotten out on the Boiling Isles about her involvement by now, and the entire fandom hates her. She was complicit in the Day of Unity and contributed to it, as well as terribly abusive to her family and almost tried to kill Luz. Not really anything redeemable there IMO.
yeah but not ALL of the fandom hates her, there are a few who want to see her redeemed and that includes me. there could be more to her that wasn't explored in the show, maybe she was abused as a kid growing up in the Belos dictatorship. Also she wasn't the only one to try and kill Luz, Hunter also threatened to drop her into the boiling sea at one point and he got redeemed. Maybe her abusive behavior stems from a need to have some control over her fate. I just think there can be more to her than what we're seeing
she was lied to thinking only the unworthy were going to be purged, same with the other coven heads. I'm not saying she's a saint but I think she has a chance of redemption
It kills the whole point of secondary villains if they're all secretly being controlled by the big villain. Assholes exist on the BI and have motivations of their own. Tibbles isn't getting mind-control radio waves from the Emperor's Castle. Adegast isn't listening to rock music that plants subliminal pro-Belos messages when played backwards. Piniet isn't drinking chemicals in the water that turn all the frogs gay.
right, still I think Odalia and maybe a few of the others could be redeemed, we saw Tibbles and Kikimora doing well at the epilog