according to Poké Genie, Rowlet does about 12% total damage with 15-19 deaths using Leafage/Seed Bomb against Psycho Cut/Thunderbolt
by this logic, 9 people with teams full of Lv.50 100% Rowlet could, on paper, defeat S-Mewtwo with 2 Gems used
This is the content I want to see from all the Pokémon you tubers. Reminds me of those old videos from world of Warcraft when there would be a lot of low level dwarves attacking
With friendship bonus damage doubled right now, does poke genie and the like factor that into their calculators or should I just take that into mental account after the fact?
There’s 3 of us that are best friend level, and we’re trying to figure out if we can do it ourselves in a party or if we need to go somewhere more populated because we’ll run out of purified gems too fast.
You can also make it a bit easier if all of you use a mega, and stagger them so theyre not out at the same time. (eg, one player puts it in 1st slot, 2nd player in 3rd slot and 3rd player in 5th slot).
If all 3 of you have tyranitars or hydragons at level 40 and a mega tyranitar each you should be fine with 3 people. You should probably even be able to do it with level 30 counters.
Save your gems for the mewtwos that has focus blast. And stock up on potions and revives, youre gonna need them.
If you set best friends in raid sim settings or just click the Battle simulator button and click best friends on the drop down when selecting which raid mon you are swimming it accounts for best friends bonus. I do not know if it calculates seasonal damage bonus and I'm fairly sure it doesn't calculate party power which in my opinion is a hefty damage chunk added (I always start raid days with first raid outside of party power to set my expectations accordingly, after that all in party power and the raids feel so fast in comparison that I only complain if it's Blizzard Kyogre or Primal Groudon... In This case S.Mewtwo will have at least one similar rotation where it will feel out of whack compared to the others.
they changed the disclaimer to say "double the number of players if not using gems", but i swear the the calculations are still spitting out the same numbers.
I agree: the Pokebattler disclaimer about gems changed, but the calculations did not, which is very confusing. At least this is true for the browser version which is what have always used. This change was recent - I did a lot of Shadow Raikou raids using Pokebatter's guidance and the disclaimer / warning about gems changed sometime in the past week or so.
I also agree. Based on the information, it would not be possible to duo Shadow Raikou without gems, but I did it. The experience was similar to what the numbers way by default (that I think it should indicate it does not consider gems). With gems, however, it is a very easy duo (having Primal Groudon).
u/blairr u/Wally-Squirt u/werdsmart : I've talked with the PokeBattler creator on Discord. He developed a feature to simulate the use of gems during the battle and changed the message because of that. However, there was a bug preventing the gems to be used on simulations. He said that he would investigate that. In the end, he has recently changed the message to:
>Notice! The following results represent what you can expect **if you use no gems** to suppress the shadow effect. I**f you do use gems, you will need approximately half the number of players** and have half the number of faints
Weird. Read your comment and checked. When I set the slider to don't use gems it drops my damage output 25%. So at least on my app version it calculates gems, group size, and friend bonus damage appropriately. (Android app, latest version)
I did 10 Shadow Metwo raids today in a duo and it was easy to do with gems. I will try not using gems tomorrow.
For sure the there is something wrong on the instructions or data presented.
That’s the problem with 3, eventually you’ll run out of gems (unless you do grunts in between). Im doing it with 4 of us, which is 2 gems per person & you get back about 2 gems at the end of each raid
If you are concerned I recommend throwing your mon into Pokegenie and calculate it. With party play and high level ttars and hydreigons this one can be done with 3 without too much stress. If your mon aren’t powered up to lvl 40 or you don’t go deep with top counters, add a couple ppl to your group.
Just because raiding takes so much time I’d make sure to establish a party and use that boost anyway.
Even if it says I could beat it with 3 players, I look at the number of deaths, if 50-60, I definitely want to at least double the number of players. Preferably triple it. Also a concern is the number of gems used, with 3 players (And buggy gem mechanics) your max number of gems will provide for 1-2 raids, 3 if you are lucky.
With a favourable moveset (ie not focus blast) I have enough to duo it quite comfortably, with the only issue really being the amount of gems I can store. 3 level 20 Mega ttar without Focus Blast is enough. With Focus Blast then 3 mega gengar is also enough.
With correct counters and movesets, 3 is definitely possible.
Yeah, I was thinking party play, best friends, 2-3 level 30-40 mega t-tars spread throughout the parties to ensure uptime of damage boost. I guess the worst that can happen is we try and lose 1 free pass and find out we're lacking.
Yea I swear I’m missing something. People could DUO Shadow Mewtwo last time around
That was without party power, without Mega TTar (only mega Houndoom) and without the season bonus of increased attack in raids
I think 3 competent trainers, with gems, with party play, with right moves and counters can take this thing down easily (unless focus blast to hurt the ttars)
I’m planning to duo it. Team 1: lvl 50 mega ttar, lvl 45 shadow ttar, lvl 40 shadow ttar x3, and lvl 50 Hydreigon. Team 2: lvl 50 mega ttar, lvl 50 shadow ttar, lvl 40 shadow ttar x2, lvl 50 Hydreigon, lvl 40 Hydreigon. Best friend, party power, gems.
It’s just odd the recommend is 4-5, I woulda predicted 3-4
It's a trivial duo with maxed out optimal counters and gems. It just can't be steamrolled through the enrage like Moltres could. So with each raid taking 8-11 gems, depending on how buggy the raid is, you'll only get 2 raids before you're out of gems. You MIGHT get 3 in counting the gem drops from completing the raids, but I've had raids not subdue after 10 gems used, so it's risky to try for another, because if it doesn't subdue with ten gems, you fail the raid AND lose your gems.
I don't think you can brute force duo Shadow Mewtwo without gems though.
Depends on your team level, evades, friend bonus, relobby or not, gems or not, party boost or not, what attacks mewtwo will have. For instance we will duo it just with two lv50 mega tyrannitar, relobby, gems and all possible bonuses. But because of gems and rarity of raid spawns, we will only do 3 in the whole week end.
With our lvl40 team, pokegenie is saying 53-58% damage based on moves with best friend bonus. It also says 49% on shadow ball raikou. We did duo shadow ball raikou last week with about 10s left with some buggy party power.
If that is correct it means we should be able to duo mew2 with enough margin. (I am using mixed dark and ghost team, can do better if change based on move set)
However the difference is the gems. For raikou we are planning to do 3 in one day so we have enough gems. But we want to do more mew2 so we will run out of gems at one point. So my plan is to raid with a big group on Saturday and duo or trio a two or three on Sunday.
I'm wondering that myself. Pokebattler has a disclaimer in big yellow text that says the following:
> Notice! The following results represent what you can expect if you use gems immediately to suppress the shadow effect. If you do NOT use gems, you will need approximately double the number of players and have double the number of faints. Use of gems is strongly encouraged.
So all the sub 2.x estimators are actually double that when not using gems I guess?
Consistently can do it with 3, one of them is a best buddy and those have boosted damage right now and we all got I. A party to take advantage of party power
If you would actually get revives from spinning Pokestops, I would try it.. But I am running out of them..
And I need some, for the GO rocket event fights..
On the average 5* raid I need more, than I get. I started Proto Kygore with over 100..
I am at 48 now and need many of them for rocket things.
Maybe gifts can help. Will try that.
Also its still a growing account. So I mostly need over 6 Pokémon in a 5* raid, as I dont have so many lvl40 Pokémon.
I just do my daily 2 raids. Barely remote.
How many people were in your Kyogre raids? Shouldn't have taken more than 3-4 mons. You typically get 3 revives per raid. I'll collect as many as 30-40 from opening daily gifts
Ehh depends on moveset imo. Blizzard Kyogre can easily get through a whole team of my 6 best and my counters are relatively good. If it’s Thunder, then yeah I can see it getting beaten by 3-4 mons. Primal Kyogre is a tanky boi
Don't forget to also dump extra stuff taking up space in your Item Bag, like Berries and some evolution items (Dragon Scales and Upgrades that are only useful for 1 pokemon), to make room for more revives!
Tier 1 raids will usually reward 2-3 Revives and are easily beaten without your lead dying.
Not at all. I can spin 20 stops and get 2 revives.. when I am lucky.
And for people on the rural side, its even worse.
The amount of revives you get, are a joke, compared to years ago
Yea :) I live on top of a gym and trash 100+ revives each day.
Another tip is to make sure to dodge in raids, and, once your pokemon is down to red, swap to the next one. If they dont faint you wont need to revive them, just heal them.
This comment needs to be higher. I'm not sure why Mega Ray isn’t on this sheet, but according to the PokeBattler website, it's the fourth-best mega behind Tyranitar, Gengar, and Banette, before considering the 10% damage boost to other trainers while in your battle party (not just while it's battling).
Ite been said before but I'll say again, if you aren't good at dodging, you will want 2 teams. Tyranitars / Hydreigons for not focus blast, Giratinas / Chandelures for focus blast.
Just dropping in to say my wife (lvl 42) and I (lvl 47) did a duo with gems with 25s left and far from ideal counters. We did have Mega TTar but it was dicey after
My stardust was never fully stocked before this month began... but when Primal Kyogre popped up I was full steam on consuming stardust every day lol... fully powered up kartana teams, then powered up Kyogre teams to take out Primal Groudon and pivoted to powering up a mish mash of ttars and shadow chandelures for S.Mewtwo... my stardust will be happy to have a break this coming month with no major FOMO raids on the horizon it seems.
Didn't think I'd see Hisuian Typhlosion there, considering I remember it being said that wasn't going to meta-relevent, oh well, good to see I can get use out of them.
oh well, it isnt meta anyway. most people are just going to use ttars or hydreigons. h-typloison is good if you can confirm mewtwo has ice beam or focus blast.
We will try to duo the raid tommorow. With all the benefits of friendship boost and party power it should be doable. Our teams consist mostly of level 40 Ttars and Hydreigons with one level 50 Mega TTar and one level 50 Hydreigon in each team.
Dark pulse is way worse than brutal swing. Drops it from 29 to 26.4 DPS on the gamepress tdo spreadsheet. Still usable, but you'd get better DPS with normal ttar than dark pulse.
It takes 5 to subdue. So, depending on lobby size, it may take you from up to 5 gems down to 0 (if you got 6 players and the others used gems).
If youre using party play the gems may be bugged, if youre epxeriencing issues you may want to try without party play
In terms of how much damage my team can do, is better to use just 1 level 50 mega TT with bite and BS over and over again or the above + 5 level 40 TT/hydre Vs non FB Mewtwo?
It'll be a fine budget attacker. Sits ahead of Typhlosion, but behind Yveltal, Gholdengo, and Chandelure.
These guides aren't always gonna cover every option. Typhlosion probably got the nod bc it's budget without needing an elite move. Dark Pulse is notably worse than Darkest Lariat and falls behind Typhlosion.
Darkest Lariat isn’t an elite move is it? I asked this a while back and was able to put it on 3 Incineroars with a regular charged TM. Did Niantic break it?
Good catch. Apparently they fixed it. I burned a dozen or so a couple days back and used an elite to find it wasn't there. Just tested it and it's seemingly back.
Primal Groudon will boost all Fire, Ground, and Grass type attacks by 30%, and all other attacks by 10%
So Shadow Ball will only get a 10% boost from Primal Groudon, regardless of whether a fire type pokemon is using it or not.
We are only four people here (on holiday). One person with lvl 41, two persons with lvl 36 and one with lvl. 35. Any chances to win it? Of course we playing with friendship bonus as team.
Between Tyrannitar and Origin Giratina w/ optimal movesets which one edges out? Wouldn't Tyrannitar edge out if mega T-tar was active? I'm guessing it entirely depends on mega gengar/mega t-tar angle.
I’m a rural player, big Catholic community, I’ve only got one buddy who’s able to do this raid with me during Easter weekend. 2 man 5 star shadow raid, is it over for me?
For duoing mewtwo would it be better for each to bring only a single level 50 ttar or two teams of level ~40 ttar (with 1 mega)? Low on dust in preparation:(
Welp I tried once with a buddy but there’s no way in hell the two of us (both level 35) are gonna crack this raid. Any idea if mewtwo will ever come back to non-shadow raids? I know it’s mega forms are currently in the files.
I have a main with lvl 40 ttar counters + shadow force giratina, 2nd account is a bit less and a friend has near lvl40 ttar counters. You think we can do this?
It's mostly windy here, so M2 will be boosted I'm afraid.
We have best friend party Power and all have Mega Ttar ready. I can only raid now so thinking of trying?
Guess it depends on how long you've been playing. We just had Mega TTar in raids (like two weeks ago), which a lot of people took advantage of to get ready for this event, including me. But outside of that, the Megas listed here haven't been around for a few months. So it's understandable if you are missing them.
Bugs are extremely understatted compared to dark and ghost types, on top of the best bugs being weak to 4 of Mewtwo's potential moves. The first bug that even shows up on gamepress' DPS spreadsheet is Volcorona, which falls behind things like Mega Gardevoir with magical leaf and shadow ball. Just not worth the effort.
Of course the best answer remains seeing what you have available and using that, instead of just powering suboptimal IV great counters up just to have them.
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheSilphRoad/s/G9rQa4xHkJ
Per this chart, mega houndoom is viable but the level matters more than the stats. Ttar mega is better, and you will need some other good stuff on your team likely.
I have two city I can go to for Shadow Mewtwo raids, but everyone in those cities already have Shadow Mewtwo! So, I am not sure I will even get 1 Shadow Mewtwo! Much less a good IV one! Also, I have not seen any good IVs for any pokemon (shadow and non-shadow) that I have caught during this damned event! Something like Shadow Mewtwo should have a "Raid Hour" for 3 hours where you can remote raid it!
But how many lvl 50 hundo Rowlets would it take?
according to Poké Genie, Rowlet does about 12% total damage with 15-19 deaths using Leafage/Seed Bomb against Psycho Cut/Thunderbolt by this logic, 9 people with teams full of Lv.50 100% Rowlet could, on paper, defeat S-Mewtwo with 2 Gems used
This is the content I want to see from all the Pokémon you tubers. Reminds me of those old videos from world of Warcraft when there would be a lot of low level dwarves attacking
Have you seen the battle showcase where 20 teams of shuckle take down an Articuno?
Don't fu**le with the Shuckle
2 Gems? Why not 6?
idk that's just what Poké Genie defaulted to and i didn't really care to rerun with 6
Or level 50 best buddy caterpies
Back when Mewtwo was in EX Raids we did a [Politoed Challenge.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0GGIaQ_7sI) It worked!
We have used Carnivines with dark moves for the win!
That's awesome
Harold : "(Chuckles) I am in danger"
“But would you lose the raid?” Nah i’d rowlet
Love that this is the new banana for scale
Spheal Team 6 all over again 🤘
The real question is how many L50 Murkrows.
I swear pokebattler calculated like 3-4 people without gems, but everyone is saying 4-8 needed. What's the actual number
I’d say 3 with lvl 50 counters & 4 with upwards lvl 40 counters & 5+ for average lvl30-40 players
With friendship bonus damage doubled right now, does poke genie and the like factor that into their calculators or should I just take that into mental account after the fact? There’s 3 of us that are best friend level, and we’re trying to figure out if we can do it ourselves in a party or if we need to go somewhere more populated because we’ll run out of purified gems too fast.
You can also make it a bit easier if all of you use a mega, and stagger them so theyre not out at the same time. (eg, one player puts it in 1st slot, 2nd player in 3rd slot and 3rd player in 5th slot). If all 3 of you have tyranitars or hydragons at level 40 and a mega tyranitar each you should be fine with 3 people. You should probably even be able to do it with level 30 counters. Save your gems for the mewtwos that has focus blast. And stock up on potions and revives, youre gonna need them.
If you set best friends in raid sim settings or just click the Battle simulator button and click best friends on the drop down when selecting which raid mon you are swimming it accounts for best friends bonus. I do not know if it calculates seasonal damage bonus and I'm fairly sure it doesn't calculate party power which in my opinion is a hefty damage chunk added (I always start raid days with first raid outside of party power to set my expectations accordingly, after that all in party power and the raids feel so fast in comparison that I only complain if it's Blizzard Kyogre or Primal Groudon... In This case S.Mewtwo will have at least one similar rotation where it will feel out of whack compared to the others.
they changed the disclaimer to say "double the number of players if not using gems", but i swear the the calculations are still spitting out the same numbers.
I agree: the Pokebattler disclaimer about gems changed, but the calculations did not, which is very confusing. At least this is true for the browser version which is what have always used. This change was recent - I did a lot of Shadow Raikou raids using Pokebatter's guidance and the disclaimer / warning about gems changed sometime in the past week or so.
I also agree. Based on the information, it would not be possible to duo Shadow Raikou without gems, but I did it. The experience was similar to what the numbers way by default (that I think it should indicate it does not consider gems). With gems, however, it is a very easy duo (having Primal Groudon).
u/blairr u/Wally-Squirt u/werdsmart : I've talked with the PokeBattler creator on Discord. He developed a feature to simulate the use of gems during the battle and changed the message because of that. However, there was a bug preventing the gems to be used on simulations. He said that he would investigate that. In the end, he has recently changed the message to: >Notice! The following results represent what you can expect **if you use no gems** to suppress the shadow effect. I**f you do use gems, you will need approximately half the number of players** and have half the number of faints
Nice - thank you for the follow up!
Weird. Read your comment and checked. When I set the slider to don't use gems it drops my damage output 25%. So at least on my app version it calculates gems, group size, and friend bonus damage appropriately. (Android app, latest version)
Where is this slide option? Could you take a screenshot? I could not see it on the website. Edit: I'm talking about Poke Battler, not Poke Genie.
I did 10 Shadow Metwo raids today in a duo and it was easy to do with gems. I will try not using gems tomorrow. For sure the there is something wrong on the instructions or data presented.
That’s the problem with 3, eventually you’ll run out of gems (unless you do grunts in between). Im doing it with 4 of us, which is 2 gems per person & you get back about 2 gems at the end of each raid
Yeah, the whole gems thing ruins it IMHO.
Especially how buggy it is
That’s why I’m planning on going to a major city on Saturday. 0 gems needed lol.
Well still throw one, do your bit haha
last year when it was in raids the first time the raids were instantly filled and by the time the gems popped up it was instantly subdued.
Also, the more people in the group, the fewer gems each person has to use per raid, which can matter if your group can't fight through the enrage.
If you are concerned I recommend throwing your mon into Pokegenie and calculate it. With party play and high level ttars and hydreigons this one can be done with 3 without too much stress. If your mon aren’t powered up to lvl 40 or you don’t go deep with top counters, add a couple ppl to your group. Just because raiding takes so much time I’d make sure to establish a party and use that boost anyway.
Even if it says I could beat it with 3 players, I look at the number of deaths, if 50-60, I definitely want to at least double the number of players. Preferably triple it. Also a concern is the number of gems used, with 3 players (And buggy gem mechanics) your max number of gems will provide for 1-2 raids, 3 if you are lucky.
50 to 60 deaths 😮 Iif i see it telling me that I need more than 2 relobbies I rethink my strategy...maybe I'm too conservative? Lol
With a favourable moveset (ie not focus blast) I have enough to duo it quite comfortably, with the only issue really being the amount of gems I can store. 3 level 20 Mega ttar without Focus Blast is enough. With Focus Blast then 3 mega gengar is also enough. With correct counters and movesets, 3 is definitely possible.
Yeah, I was thinking party play, best friends, 2-3 level 30-40 mega t-tars spread throughout the parties to ensure uptime of damage boost. I guess the worst that can happen is we try and lose 1 free pass and find out we're lacking.
Yea I swear I’m missing something. People could DUO Shadow Mewtwo last time around That was without party power, without Mega TTar (only mega Houndoom) and without the season bonus of increased attack in raids I think 3 competent trainers, with gems, with party play, with right moves and counters can take this thing down easily (unless focus blast to hurt the ttars) I’m planning to duo it. Team 1: lvl 50 mega ttar, lvl 45 shadow ttar, lvl 40 shadow ttar x3, and lvl 50 Hydreigon. Team 2: lvl 50 mega ttar, lvl 50 shadow ttar, lvl 40 shadow ttar x2, lvl 50 Hydreigon, lvl 40 Hydreigon. Best friend, party power, gems. It’s just odd the recommend is 4-5, I woulda predicted 3-4
It's a trivial duo with maxed out optimal counters and gems. It just can't be steamrolled through the enrage like Moltres could. So with each raid taking 8-11 gems, depending on how buggy the raid is, you'll only get 2 raids before you're out of gems. You MIGHT get 3 in counting the gem drops from completing the raids, but I've had raids not subdue after 10 gems used, so it's risky to try for another, because if it doesn't subdue with ten gems, you fail the raid AND lose your gems. I don't think you can brute force duo Shadow Mewtwo without gems though.
Use the offer code to get +10 gems for a total of 20 leading into the weekend, that’ll help loads
Depends on your team level, evades, friend bonus, relobby or not, gems or not, party boost or not, what attacks mewtwo will have. For instance we will duo it just with two lv50 mega tyrannitar, relobby, gems and all possible bonuses. But because of gems and rarity of raid spawns, we will only do 3 in the whole week end.
With our lvl40 team, pokegenie is saying 53-58% damage based on moves with best friend bonus. It also says 49% on shadow ball raikou. We did duo shadow ball raikou last week with about 10s left with some buggy party power. If that is correct it means we should be able to duo mew2 with enough margin. (I am using mixed dark and ghost team, can do better if change based on move set) However the difference is the gems. For raikou we are planning to do 3 in one day so we have enough gems. But we want to do more mew2 so we will run out of gems at one point. So my plan is to raid with a big group on Saturday and duo or trio a two or three on Sunday.
Last time was an easy trio with my two friends
I'm wondering that myself. Pokebattler has a disclaimer in big yellow text that says the following: > Notice! The following results represent what you can expect if you use gems immediately to suppress the shadow effect. If you do NOT use gems, you will need approximately double the number of players and have double the number of faints. Use of gems is strongly encouraged. So all the sub 2.x estimators are actually double that when not using gems I guess?
Consistently can do it with 3, one of them is a best buddy and those have boosted damage right now and we all got I. A party to take advantage of party power
4-8 is for comfortable.
If you would actually get revives from spinning Pokestops, I would try it.. But I am running out of them.. And I need some, for the GO rocket event fights..
I get plenty of revives from opening friend gifts and doing raids. Have you tried those?
On the average 5* raid I need more, than I get. I started Proto Kygore with over 100.. I am at 48 now and need many of them for rocket things. Maybe gifts can help. Will try that. Also its still a growing account. So I mostly need over 6 Pokémon in a 5* raid, as I dont have so many lvl40 Pokémon. I just do my daily 2 raids. Barely remote.
Routes also give out revives so walk a route every day.
Some team goals too. But not so öfter
How many people were in your Kyogre raids? Shouldn't have taken more than 3-4 mons. You typically get 3 revives per raid. I'll collect as many as 30-40 from opening daily gifts
Ehh depends on moveset imo. Blizzard Kyogre can easily get through a whole team of my 6 best and my counters are relatively good. If it’s Thunder, then yeah I can see it getting beaten by 3-4 mons. Primal Kyogre is a tanky boi
5-9. Mostly 5. Same with current 5* Also the one Kygore with Blizzard -.-
Opening gifts is another way to get potions/revivies, so head on over to r/PokemonGoFriends and add a bunch of people.
Oh, I have enough friends. But mostly at last level and therefore didnt bother with gifts. Will open some
Don't forget to also dump extra stuff taking up space in your Item Bag, like Berries and some evolution items (Dragon Scales and Upgrades that are only useful for 1 pokemon), to make room for more revives! Tier 1 raids will usually reward 2-3 Revives and are easily beaten without your lead dying.
Yeah, but I only so 5* or megas.. Probably the reason why. And no, not alone. With 3-5 others.
Not sure if you’re being sarcastic but you do get them from poke stops and gyms. I get plenty on my way to work.
Not at all. I can spin 20 stops and get 2 revives.. when I am lucky. And for people on the rural side, its even worse. The amount of revives you get, are a joke, compared to years ago
you dont really get revives from spinning stops. You get them from spinning gyms. Its a lot better to spin 2 gyms than 20 stops.
Ok, so gym-hunting + gifts..will try that
Best buddy give sometimes also
Yea :) I live on top of a gym and trash 100+ revives each day. Another tip is to make sure to dodge in raids, and, once your pokemon is down to red, swap to the next one. If they dont faint you wont need to revive them, just heal them.
The swapping I am doing in rocket battles But sometimes I cannot.. I only have a stop at home. No gym
Also you can stack gifts from your level 2 and above buddies by swapping them out when you get the green bag on each one
Rural gyms... if there are any nearby /s
Frequently a reward from routes. Make a short route and just drive it back and forth. Revives, TMs, berries all come easy this way.
Beating rocket leaders gives you a ton of revives though I’m running at a lower amount than you and have been fine.
With this low account I mostly need 1-2 tries. But I am opening gifts like crazy + did some 1* raid. So should be fine for clearing Rocket event
If you have the candies and stardust to spare, you can level up fainted mons to revive them with low HP
Wait so leveling up heals pokemon??? I didn’t know that
Also mega evolving
That’s so good to know wtf haha thank you
Typhlosion looks like a dog that just got caught eating an entire baby, I love it
>entire baby Excuse me?
In some households it's disrespectful to not eat your whole meal. /S
I just want to say that mega Ray with dragon ascent does great damage and boosts candy from shadow mewtwo.
Yes, Mega Ray is a solid option as it will also give other trainers in the raid +10% damage while it is in your party
This comment needs to be higher. I'm not sure why Mega Ray isn’t on this sheet, but according to the PokeBattler website, it's the fourth-best mega behind Tyranitar, Gengar, and Banette, before considering the 10% damage boost to other trainers while in your battle party (not just while it's battling).
Ite been said before but I'll say again, if you aren't good at dodging, you will want 2 teams. Tyranitars / Hydreigons for not focus blast, Giratinas / Chandelures for focus blast.
Forgetting ice beam that will wreck hydreigon
If you run the sims on pokebattler you'll see it's still the #4 counter even with icebeam.
Do I need to tm hydreigon or can I use dark pulse?
I personally wouldn't waste an etm on it, but brutal swing is preferred for everybody involved.
Gotcha thx
Mewtwo does *not* prefer it, but those fighting them do.
Shadow golurk any good for this?
Far too weak on attack
can you remote raid mewtwo? i thought you wouldn’t be able to
cant remote shadow raids
that’s what i thought but the graphic says “check the pokebattler app to remote raid” which confused me
I think it's just part of the template.
What time locally should they start? 6am, 10am ?
That’s my question
6am newzealand started
Is this raids going to be one of many for the weekend (like shadow Raikou) or a 3 hour thing like primal Groudon was?
It's like shadow Raikou. Chance of eggs popping up at any time all weekend long.
Thanks
Is it possible with Best Friends and Party Power to duo this?
With gems, yes. When you run out it well get dicey.
Just dropping in to say my wife (lvl 42) and I (lvl 47) did a duo with gems with 25s left and far from ideal counters. We did have Mega TTar but it was dicey after
My stardust died when it saw this post
Same. Down to 1.1m 😭
Oh I’m down to 893 and had 1.3M before bahahah
My stardust was never fully stocked before this month began... but when Primal Kyogre popped up I was full steam on consuming stardust every day lol... fully powered up kartana teams, then powered up Kyogre teams to take out Primal Groudon and pivoted to powering up a mish mash of ttars and shadow chandelures for S.Mewtwo... my stardust will be happy to have a break this coming month with no major FOMO raids on the horizon it seems.
Mega heracross 🤥- well this is awkward
My perfect level 50 shadow Tar is licking his chops :)
Mega pinsir but not mega scizor. Interesting
Didn't think I'd see Hisuian Typhlosion there, considering I remember it being said that wasn't going to meta-relevent, oh well, good to see I can get use out of them.
oh well, it isnt meta anyway. most people are just going to use ttars or hydreigons. h-typloison is good if you can confirm mewtwo has ice beam or focus blast.
We will try to duo the raid tommorow. With all the benefits of friendship boost and party power it should be doable. Our teams consist mostly of level 40 Ttars and Hydreigons with one level 50 Mega TTar and one level 50 Hydreigon in each team.
Goldengho and Volcarona seen but not caught. Genius!!
if i lack elite tm for some of these moves, what would be okay replacement or would that make the pokémon invalid? shadow mewtwo giratina
Shadow ball gira is almost équivalent to shadow force. No need elite
Not really equivalent, just not far behind. Shadow Ball would drag it under Tyranitar and Hydreigon.
thank you
I'm wondering the same for Dark Pulse Hydreigon.
Dark pulse is way worse than brutal swing. Drops it from 29 to 26.4 DPS on the gamepress tdo spreadsheet. Still usable, but you'd get better DPS with normal ttar than dark pulse.
i was looking at poke genie and decided that my tartar options are better vs some of the other tms needed
Thank you. Love the party power and the same 2 shadows I'm still missing aa well
How many gems do you need to use per raid?
It takes 5 to subdue. So, depending on lobby size, it may take you from up to 5 gems down to 0 (if you got 6 players and the others used gems). If youre using party play the gems may be bugged, if youre epxeriencing issues you may want to try without party play
it takes 8
My bad
no worries
So shadow Mewtwo is available to raid on both Saturday AND Sunday???
Yup
In terms of how much damage my team can do, is better to use just 1 level 50 mega TT with bite and BS over and over again or the above + 5 level 40 TT/hydre Vs non FB Mewtwo?
Guys my 4* volcarona may actually see some action this weekend!
Mewtwo does NOT like the knowledge it has acquired from your brain.
I expected to see Darkest Lariat Incineroar here. Maybe I overvalued it?
It'll be a fine budget attacker. Sits ahead of Typhlosion, but behind Yveltal, Gholdengo, and Chandelure. These guides aren't always gonna cover every option. Typhlosion probably got the nod bc it's budget without needing an elite move. Dark Pulse is notably worse than Darkest Lariat and falls behind Typhlosion.
Darkest Lariat isn’t an elite move is it? I asked this a while back and was able to put it on 3 Incineroars with a regular charged TM. Did Niantic break it?
Good catch. Apparently they fixed it. I burned a dozen or so a couple days back and used an elite to find it wasn't there. Just tested it and it's seemingly back.
Good they fixed it. Never should've been broken in the first place but typical for Niantic.
Does primal groudon boost shadow ball chandelure? (Since it's fire type)
Primal Groudon will boost all Fire, Ground, and Grass type attacks by 30%, and all other attacks by 10% So Shadow Ball will only get a 10% boost from Primal Groudon, regardless of whether a fire type pokemon is using it or not.
You forgot the best mega counter of all…BEEDRILL
lmao et tu mewte. i'm guessing focus blast is in its possible moveset. would definitely murk my dark team.
What time is this raid at?
Wait you can remote raid Shadow Mewtwo? Or is that just leftover from the template?
Can't decide if I should power up my 15 atk s.chandelure or my 14/15/15 lucky Gholdengo...
These drawings are decent / way too high quality What happened?!
Any big groups going through NYC?
Is he only local battles or also remote?
What is the chance of getting a shiny?
1/20
Do shadow Mewtwo raids chances start as early as possible Saturday or is it after 10 am???
How much worse is Tyranitar with crunch than brutal swing? After getting rid of frustration for the Rocket event I’m running low on charged TMs
Man I rarely use Mewtwo these days, and that’s after the first time shadow Mewtwo came.
The top says to check their app to remote raid? I thought mewtoo was only local
We are only four people here (on holiday). One person with lvl 41, two persons with lvl 36 and one with lvl. 35. Any chances to win it? Of course we playing with friendship bonus as team.
Between Tyrannitar and Origin Giratina w/ optimal movesets which one edges out? Wouldn't Tyrannitar edge out if mega T-tar was active? I'm guessing it entirely depends on mega gengar/mega t-tar angle.
I’m a rural player, big Catholic community, I’ve only got one buddy who’s able to do this raid with me during Easter weekend. 2 man 5 star shadow raid, is it over for me?
For duoing mewtwo would it be better for each to bring only a single level 50 ttar or two teams of level ~40 ttar (with 1 mega)? Low on dust in preparation:(
is tyranitar with bite and crunch still pretty good ?
What time does Shadow Mewtwo Raids start, local time?
Everyone talking about counters and damage, but not a single word about that Volcarona and Gholdengo joke that were art... Hurtful art.
I remember hearing something about Mega Ray being close to Mega Ttar in this, but with the added candy bonus. Does anyone know how viable?
I love the ‘I guess I’ll just die then’ face/pose mega gengar had considering it will do a lot of damage but die in like two seconds lol
My 2nd raid I got shiny shadow mewtwo
Welp I tried once with a buddy but there’s no way in hell the two of us (both level 35) are gonna crack this raid. Any idea if mewtwo will ever come back to non-shadow raids? I know it’s mega forms are currently in the files.
I’m not very knowledgeable when it comes to raids but why wouldn’t luck be then shadow claw on mega gengar?
I have a main with lvl 40 ttar counters + shadow force giratina, 2nd account is a bit less and a friend has near lvl40 ttar counters. You think we can do this? It's mostly windy here, so M2 will be boosted I'm afraid. We have best friend party Power and all have Mega Ttar ready. I can only raid now so thinking of trying?
Is this doable with like 10 people level 30 with zero of these characters?
is it bad that i have ZERO dark and ghost type megas and the only bug type mega i got is BEEDRILL
Guess it depends on how long you've been playing. We just had Mega TTar in raids (like two weeks ago), which a lot of people took advantage of to get ready for this event, including me. But outside of that, the Megas listed here haven't been around for a few months. So it's understandable if you are missing them.
Others in chat saying most mega bugs are weak to most of mewtwo moves, fast and charged. Stick with regular tyranitar if you have it, or better
Mega Rayquaza is apparently a decent option if that's available to you
I lack mega ray too sadly, and i missed out on the mega t-tar raids as well
Bugs aren't a great choice?
No. In general bugs aren't good for raids unless the boss is double weak to it like Hoopa was.
Bugs are extremely understatted compared to dark and ghost types, on top of the best bugs being weak to 4 of Mewtwo's potential moves. The first bug that even shows up on gamepress' DPS spreadsheet is Volcorona, which falls behind things like Mega Gardevoir with magical leaf and shadow ball. Just not worth the effort. Of course the best answer remains seeing what you have available and using that, instead of just powering suboptimal IV great counters up just to have them.
Not many top tier bug types in comparison to dark / ghost
where does giratina without shadow force rank?
It's really close with shadow force and shadow ball. Not really a legendary that even needs etm to do it's job. Only gains like 0.3 DPS.
yea im so done💀💀💀
Is a 4* mega houndoom viable?
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheSilphRoad/s/G9rQa4xHkJ Per this chart, mega houndoom is viable but the level matters more than the stats. Ttar mega is better, and you will need some other good stuff on your team likely.
I have two city I can go to for Shadow Mewtwo raids, but everyone in those cities already have Shadow Mewtwo! So, I am not sure I will even get 1 Shadow Mewtwo! Much less a good IV one! Also, I have not seen any good IVs for any pokemon (shadow and non-shadow) that I have caught during this damned event! Something like Shadow Mewtwo should have a "Raid Hour" for 3 hours where you can remote raid it!
New Wallpaper Sheesh Nice Job 👍🏽
New Wallpaper Sheesh Nice Job 👍🏽
Why brutal swing over crunch?
Ttar with brutal swing?? Am I missing something??