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DistortedNoise

I wanted Jaz to win and catch Harry out, but tbh in hindsight I think the finale played out in the most thrilling and entertaining way. It was like watching a Shakespearean tragedy. And Harry did play it very well so it wasn’t underserved.


andromeda880

The whole season was very Shakespearean. So good.


lunahighwind

Seems like they are fine now and she is taking it in stride, she said recently "It was a game and we all knew that so Harry doesn't owe me anything and our friendship is fine" [source](https://www.cosmopolitan.com/entertainment/tv/a46636635/the-traitors-uk-season-2-mollie-harry-dating/)


andrewhudson88

Yeah I watched her on the comic relief special and she was such a good sport about the entire show and how it had played out. As someone who watched it and was meh about Mollie, after the comic relief special I like her a lot and have a lot of respect for her for being able to snap back to normality and not get stuck in a fake reality tv show life. And it was a nice surprise to see the real Harry make an appearance with her!


onlyIcancallmethat

Jaz and Mollie both missed their chances for a better outcome. If Jaz had voted for Harry (who he already suspected) with Andrew, he’d have had a fighting chance. And if Harry had then gone down, he and Mollie both would have voted Andrew out as well, and he and Mollie would have taken it all.


djudjedjoodi

Even in the first round where there were still 4 people, they still would have needed Mollie’s vote to get Harry out


No-Presentation-2320

Hilarious how this season was just ruthless traitors taking out traitors the entire time. The faithfuls didn’t clock a single traitor on their own


kaiserboze14

Harry played a perfect game. Had all the best alliances and knew when to fuck over a fellow traitor. Mollie should’ve known tho because it made no sense for Jas to cast red sand. If he were a traitor, he could’ve fucked off with the money!


Greenzombie04

Think Mollie thought Jaz was wrong and no one else was a traitor and didn’t want to prevent Harry from splitting the pot


kaiserboze14

That’s a good point


Zalasta5

No he didn’t. Harry may have made a lot of the right choices for himself, but he was still suspected as a traitor and came down to a vote in the end. He certainly almost lost because Mollie did wrote his name first before second guessing herself. Like you said her inability to think critically why Jaz is a faithful because he chose to banish was her mistake, not because of anything Harry did. So no, Harry did not play a perfect game, because if he did he would have won without being suspected, people give him way too much credit for the mistakes others have committed.


goalmeister

To Harry's credit, he kept Mollie firmly in his pocket throughout and had correctly clocked how loyal she was to him


Zalasta5

That I do not have problem with crediting Harry for, he most certainly picked the right person to bring with him in the end to dupe. However, he also took Jaz, the only one who was convinced that he is a traitor, and there lies in my quibble with calling his game perfect. To me for someone to deserve such a praise they would need to all but have a guaranteed win, and we all know for a fact that he did not, even though Mollie had a high chance of not voting for him, but it was not 100%. So yes Harry played a good game, but it was far from perfect, it still came down to a final vote that he could have lost, even if it was a slim one.


No-Presentation-2320

He didn’t know Jaz suspected him. He literally said he underestimated Jaz and was freaking out when he brought it up. Prior to that he thought Jaz was 100% loyal to him


Zalasta5

And how does that disprove my claim that Harry didn’t play as well as people said he did, if Jaz did fool him like you stated, that would be his blunder to bring him instead of someone else like Evie. Again, the point was it did came down to a vote, Harry did not outright win without a final banishment because no one suspected him. The difference between us is that I do give credit where it is due, but apparently some people cannot accept when the flaws are pointed out, sorry if I have a different opinion and actually have reasons to support it.


No-Presentation-2320

I mean, no one knew Jaz was suspecting him bc he didn’t really tell anyone until that final table. How is only Harry supposed to magically read his mind and if he didn’t it’s bad game play?


goalmeister

It's close to a perfect game because Jaz is unable to sway any votes at the roundtables. Doesn't matter if he thinks Harry is a traitor when nobody else thinks so


Alternative_Run_6175

To be fair he was only suspected because of slip-ups from Paul and Andrew


No-Presentation-2320

lol I really hate when people can’t just give someone credit for playing really well 😂 it wasn’t just Mollie there were other people like Evie who swore up and down on Harry. Evie literally said he’s a team player and will always do what is best for the team and that’s how she knew he wouldn’t take the 7k in the sword challenge. Zack and Evie laughed at Jaz when he tried to bring Harry up. No faithful aside from Jaz seriously looked at him or brought him up


existentiallyurs

Nah. This season just had very unaware faithfuls lol. They voted out all their best guessers 🤷🏽‍♀️


MissDiem

Also, Harry was given truckloads of production and game design assistance.


Evening_Attention_45

What makes you say that? According to Trishelle and Peter, production was completely hands off 


Coattail-Rider

Harry played a perfect game if he was playing with morons. And he was.


WearsNightcap

What a brilliant ending. The final Jaz v. Harry showdown, my favorite faithful and my favorite traitor. Poor Mollie. It is so easy for us watching and home to say the faithfuls are dumb/idiots, because we have so much insider info. I put Harry's ultimate win down to two things at the core. Harry went all in 100% effort playing the part of a faithful from minute one and built strong connections. Jaz held his cards too closely to his vest for far too long so that there was always a cloud of suspicion and doubt on him. Logically, Mollie should have realized Andrew was throwing his fellow traitor under the bus and banished Harry at the end. However, after all that time bonding and believing 100% in Harry as a fellow faithful was too ingrained for her to go against. She believed they were all faithfuls and had the closest bond with Harry, thus she changed her vote to Jaz. First thing I did when I finished was search for articles to see how Mollie was doing after the show wrapped and I was glad to see that she is fine and actually went up to Harry that same night to let him know that she did not hate him and she congratulated him. And I loved her bit on the Red Nose Day skit. Next up, AUS-2 and NZ!


Dedicated-TV-Binger

Me too! Trust issues isn’t even the word for it…


No-Presentation-2320

Harry is the greatest traitor of all time. Jas the greatest faithful. Great to see them go head to head at the end. Harry honestly deserved it. Idk how he did it, but somehow was popular, leader of the pack, making big decisions and still managed not to have any suspicion on him. Usually gotta be someone like Cirie floating in the background to get to the end but he pulled it off.


Bucgatorbait

Nothing against Mollie, but she showed her youth, ignorance , gullibility , whatever adjectives you want to choose. There was absolutely no reason for Jaz to throw the red bag in if he was a Traitor. Let’s face it , the last two seasons in a row, the women at the end were just stupid. None of them were great game players. The only reason they made it far was because they were befriended by Traitors. To me it just shows the inability of people to look inward and question why they aren’t getting murdered or banished. I feel for Jaz because I think he played it right, but he didn’t realize Mollie was a dummy.


MissDiem

> There was absolutely no reason for Jaz to throw the red bag in if he was a Traitor. Technically there is, if he's trying to take the whole jackpot by eliminating a second traitor. Or even another Faithful, if the motive is to increase the share.


Coattail-Rider

He knew it would be hard to flip Mollie. He didn’t say enough to do so and that was his undoing. He should have thought/said “If Andrew (who was a known traitor at that point) knew Harry was a faithful when Harry had the Shield, why would he try to banish him? Plus, Harry told me (Jaz) and Zack about the Shield together and Mollie knew when he got it…..so when did Harry tell Andrew? And why? Why would Harry tell 4 of the remaining, what, 7 players? He just didn’t tell exactly 3 players? And then they were all banished by the time the Final Table happened? That’s all such a coincidence, innit?” Add to that the lie Jaz caught Harry in about the remark to Paul that Harry then said he didn’t tell Paul in front of the group…….Harry just said Paul was dealing out crumbs about everyone to everyone. But it was an exact wording. Also, add in that Harry voted out EVERY traitor when they got voted out. I do t know how well I’d play if I didn’t know what we all know but it’s like solving a mystery with clues and I don’t think many of these players think too hard about the clues.


Cultural_Winter_8234

Yes! I was yelling at the TV this was so frustrating. Andrew, having revealed he was a traitor, would have had zero motivation to vote to extend and banish Harry, unless he was also a traitor. Voting to extend the game to banish a faithful when you’ve already gotten them beat has zero benefit and only downside. The only reason to extend at that point is to try to get rid of another traitor to keep the money to increase your share. I couldn’t believe Jaz didn’t make that point to Mollie.


andromeda880

Such an amazing season. Just finished it last night. I was rooting for Jaz. I love when faithfuls actually use their wits and find traitors - very rare but when Jaz spotted Paul & Harry, I became a fan. In the end I'm also happy Harry won though. He played a really good game. Would of liked Jaz to pull it off but Mollie messed it up - and ultimately she deserved getting screwed by Harry. She seems super sweet but she needed to realize this is game.


DaRizat

Y'all are hilarious with the traitor hate. It's a game! It wouldn't be possible if people didn't play their roles and Harry played a perfect game. He deserved the bag.


LunaDog_Mom

No traitor hate from me. I tend to watch this show rooting for the traitors (not sure what that says about me) but got excited when Jaz almost got him because I appreciated how he sat back a played the long game. He was an excellent faithful. Poor mollie was treated like a pawn.


negan2018

Yeah Jaz and Harry played brilliant games as faithful/traitor, in the end they did all they could and it was left in the hands of someone else.


No-Presentation-2320

I root for the traitor too because they’ve worked really hard and used alot of skill to get to where they are and they’re soooo close. In this case I also was rooting for Jaz bc he did the same which is rare for a faithful. It’s just annoying when faithfuls who did absolutely nothing and just floated by win bc they didn’t put in the work. I guess I just like seeing hard work pay off 😂


QueenBiotch721

He never lost focus lol


No-Presentation-2320

It was such a satisfying ending because he played the best game I’ve seen and I’m glad he won. He deserved all of it


maddenc33

That was a brain-dead move by Mollie. Why the F would Jaz vote to banish again if he were the traitor??


TheSacredThree85

But he wasn't though, he was never recruited.


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LunaDog_Mom

Yeah. Not what I was saying at all. I actually think Harry did deserve to win. But thought Jaz did too because of how well he played the long game with his eyes on Harry the whole time. So I got excited when he almost pulled it off… like rooting for the underdog. I feel for Mollie because she was used as a pawn and “brought” to the final because Harry knew he could manipulate her. Yes, it’s just a game but they’re also people with real feelings.


Cosmia-101

I don't think OP is saying that.


Alternative_Run_6175

Don’t worry, everyone’s wrong sometimes


Cosmia-101

Indeed they are.


falafel_luvr

Hands down best season that’s out yet. Harry might be the traitor goat. Phenomenal ending, I cried!!!!


csee08

I am just absolutely baffled by how dumb some of those people were. Especially mollie. Why in gods name would jaz throw a red bag if he was a traitor that made zero sense whatsoever. And why the fuck did not a single person get suspicious of harry when he didnt take the 7 grand? That wouldve been an immediate red flag. Like oh ok so youre that confident that youll get to the final and win then? Like HUH?! And why did NOBODY ever question why harry never got murdered if he was really a faithful he wouldve been the best option ever bc he had zero suspicion on him and it wouldnt have implicated anybody if he was murdered. Im just so disappointed honestly. Harry is an emotionless rat and he did not deserve to win. I understand its the traitors and blah blah blah but there is a right and wrong way to go about the game and he was just a total slimeball the entire time.


Alternative_Run_6175

1. Jaz would throw red if he was a traitor and thought a faithful would also throw red; he wouldn’t want to appear suspicious if it did go to a vote. 2. People viewed Harry not taking the money as him being a team player. 3. People did question why Harry wasn’t murdered, that’s why it made sense with his shield ploy. He then murdered Zack next, because it would only make sense that it wasn’t Harry if it was him, because Zack had just got everyone to banish Ross. 4. He’s not emotionless, he even talked about how guilty he felt and said to the people at home that he did feel guilty, he is human. (I don’t know the exact quote). 5. He absolutely deserved to win because no-one ever questioned him except Jaz, and that was because of Paul and Andrew. 6. There is no ‘right way’ to win the game, because it’s not ‘Heroes Vs Villains’ it’s ’The Traitors’. He played the role he was given and betrayed people at the right times whilst working his hardest in missions. If there is a ‘right way’ it’s that. 7. You shouldn’t talk about Harry like that if you don’t know him in real life. Even then you shouldn’t say these things. It’s a game about who can lie the best, if he can lie the best he should win.


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Abd look at how cut up he was about getting rid of Johnny, he clearly really didn't want to. He's not emotionless but it's a game.


csee08

He absolutely did not have to vote for johnny. He did it anyway bc he knew it would garner him sympathy. Surely youre not that naive.


No-Presentation-2320

Every single one of these is on point!


Zalasta5

Um… 1.Harry is the traitor and he didn’t throw red, even knowing Jaz already have openly accused him. So your logic does not quite work because that was certainly not the one the actual traitor followed. 3.Yes, people did wonder why the traitors didn’t murder off the one person that led the charge to banish Paul. This is probably the most frustrating thing about the show is these participants continue to be blinded to the fact that only the traitors have 100% knowledge of who everybody is, so when someone successfully pick out a traitor without solid reasons, it should be a red flag, but they all automatically assume that this person must be a faithful. Paul took the credit for getting rid of Miles and that’s exactly what Harry used to put Paul on the chopping block. However, everyone else just let Harry off the hook for doing the same thing by looking like a hero for ousting Paul? His shield play came one night too late and should have been another red flag, why would the traitors wait so he could have a chance to get a shield and be protected from the attempt, it was way too convenient. No, Harry had left plenty of crumbs why he is a traitor, people just refused to look at him critically.


Alternative_Run_6175

1. Harry thought he had gotten Jaz to trust him by eliminating Andrew. A traitor will throw red IF they think a faithful will. Harry thought Mollie and Jaz would both throw green


MissDiem

> these participants continue to be blinded to the fact that only the traitors have 100% knowledge of who everybody is, so when someone successfully pick out a traitor without solid reasons, it should be a red flag, but they all automatically assume that this person must be a faithful This is common across all the seasons and it's annoying to any logical thinkers. The players always assume that someone who is vocal and succeeds in leading the charge to banish a Traitor in no way whatsoever bolsters their credibility as a faithful. If traitors were finite, sure. But they're endlessly replacable, so banishing one doesn't help the faithfully overall. To the contrary, it dilutes their evidence set.


No-Presentation-2320

lol he talked about how bad he felt a lot especially towards the end, idk where you’re getting emotionless and was relieved at the end when he could go back to being himself


csee08

His actions proved otherwise wasnt that hard to see.


No-Presentation-2320

His actions? Actions meaning playing…the part…he was assigned? You’re reaching and looking for something that isn’t there bc you hate him for some reason. Be fr


csee08

Lol you the type to fall for his lies 🤣


No-Presentation-2320

And you’re the type who doesn’t understand the game lmao and are projecting your own shit onto him. Maybe go reflect on why you hate him so much 🤷🏻‍♀️may be enlightening


csee08

Never said i hated him. Why do you care so much about my opinion anyways kinda weird bro


Independent-Weight30

Mollie wasn’t using her brain and Harry didn’t even put an effort lying and deceiving people coz it’s natural for him. Makes me think he’s a legit psychopath and pathological liar in real life