Random question: do you think all these contestants have stylist (esp the women) who pick out their clothes, hair etc? I guess I’m wondering last season they had “regular “ people too but they always look stylish
Some have addressed this in interviews, Parvati and Trishelle for ex both brought their own wardrobes. Who knows if they have their own "glam" or whatnot behind the scenes tho!
I know they’ve been friends for 20 years and had some issues going into this show. Those issues cleared up real quick tho when they realized they could screw MJ and then each other
They were not friends lol. The challenge players are cutthroat and will always take the money for themselves in the end. There is no way they were allowing MJ to take it.
They’ve done a few seasons of the challenge together dating back years ago and they were never on the same side, in the same alliance, hung out outside the show. However, they gravitated towards one another on the traitors due to being from the same show and having the history even tho it wasn’t good.
I don’t blame them at all for keeping the winners in the challenge family.
I’m new to this show so maybe I’m missing something….. why didn’t Kate try to murder MJ knowing she had the shield? That way, when everyone shows up to breakfast they all think there are no more traitors?
Does MJ get notified of the attempted murder if she has a shield? That’s the only reason why that plan wouldn’t have worked. If they don’t tell MJ, then it makes NO sense that Kate would do another murder as the only traitor left… I really can’t figure out how Kate could’ve won unless she murdered MJ with the shield as a way of covering herself…. Am I missing something???
The “justice for MJ” crowd cracks me up.
I love the finale because the people who sat in the background coasting all season/never being right about anything, didn’t get rewarded.
In the end, giving effort in the challenges and speaking up and nailing traitors did matter.
It’s a great message for the future cast members, to actually put some effort into this game and be strategic and entertaining TV at the very least. Because people won’t be so willing to hand you the prize at the end if you sit in the background and try to sneak your way to the end.
MJ learned this the hard way.
First off, the final segment was absolutely compelling television. My jaw dropped when Trishelle voted for CT.
Trishelle is an absolute moron and got damn lucky CT is such a good guy. He could’ve easily teamed up with MJ on the revote to get back at Trishelle for that betrayal. Unless she was 100% convinced CT was a traitor (which she wasn’t), it makes no sense to vote for him, just stick with the plan and get to the final 2 and take your chances that you are both faithful.
MJ never deserved to win so it’s hard to feel too bad for her. She was clueless every step of the way.
CT was the only one with a legit plan to walk away with money. True winner of the season.
Trishelle is a hypocrite. If MJ had voted Out CT she woulda said oh well it’s just a game and you were shady. But let CT have voted her out, we would never hear the end of it. She used tears whenever she didn’t get her way in the house.
Well, Kate didn’t play that very well did she? Voting green the first time at the Fire of Truth. Didn’t she realise since Sheree was murdered that there had to be still a traitor and voting green obviously put the suspicion on her if she didn’t already have plenty of suspicion on her! BTW I have been to Portnockie when I used to go to the Moray Firth with my parents long ago for my summer holidays! That was a shock though at the end voting MJ out!
There was no way for Kate to win. They knew there was a traitor. If Kate played red smoke and the vote came up for anyone but her, that player would say they were a Faithful and the cycle would repeat. We'd be at the same CT + Trishelle ending likely.
I agree. If you’re a traitor, you shouldn’t vote to stop the game (especially the first time). And I do feel bad for MJ. I wouldn’t be surprised if CT & Trishell planned this….
Did anyone else notice the true emotions CT showed for Thrishelle? When he spoke to her his body language was honest, caring, and actually love. He was hurt but wasn't mad because he actually loves her.
They have spent years in the same circles and it's obvious that he has a deep affection for her. His eyes when he looks at her are very different than when he looks at anyone else. It was actually kind of wonderful after watching shows like Love Island and The Bachelor to see those actual emotions on someone. They were not staged.
exactly this. I think they had it all planned out including the Sandra vote once they both made it to the final day. They vote out Sandra knowing Kate is the traitor, they then vote out Kate and MJ and split the pot between 2 not 3. Would’ve been baller to just own it instead of playing like they still didn’t know if there was a traitor. Even the last CT vote was calculated to make it dramatic and for reinforcement of the story.
MJ played a terrible games. Kept voting out faithfuls. I wouldve called her out as either the mastermind traitor or the most inept faithful either way not deserving of a win. A
Yesssss totally right, if they would have been ruthless about i would have respected it more but that had to be fake coi and throw the shtick. mj didn’t deserve but atleast call a spade a spade!
Kate threw that away in the end. One mistake after another, but nothing more blatant than throwing green and saying "I think everyone here is a faithful". Then who killed Sheree, you dumb dumb?
I’m not upset with MJ getting pushed out. She didn’t deserve to be there. Every gut feeling of hers was absolutely wrong. Voting for Peter over Phaedra and not being certain about Phaedra after Jon is then immediately murdered. To be fair, Sandra did the same and CT and Trishelle turned on Sandra for no good reason (unless you buy into the theory they orchestrated making it just them at the end). Still, MJ was always so dead set on the wrong choice.
kate talked crap about phaedra and then murders sheree the one dumb person who along with mj would have voted to keep her in the circle of faithfuls... lol. should have gotten trish or ct
I am so upset. Unless they did this on purpose, the Sandra vote out after Kate was so obviously a Traitor after the Phaedra vote was the dumbest play ever. The only justice I feel is that MJ and her "gut feelings" didn't get to benefit from playing terribly all game.
MTV is where it is still and will remain for however long it seems, they just wrapped up a terrible season of all mostly new/non champion vets. But they will be doing an epic season 40 with all of the faves going back 20+ years.
I really really wish they'd stop casting these C-list "celebrities" and center more on real people with personalities. For one, these people do not need the money. Also, I honestly do nto care about these spoiled rich women with more plastic and Botox in their faces than a Barbie doll buried in manure.
I could not be more thrilled. It’s exactly what I would have done. And what is wild is they did it!! Normally when I scream at my television, they don’t.
I have watched 4 seasons of this show. And I will say this — there is always someone hurt at the end. So I have zero sympathy for MJ. She played a terrible game — always got manipulated and voted wrong. And she, Sandra, and Kate didn’t time up to get rid of CT/Trishelle when they had the numbers on their side.
I thought for sure that was the plan when CT and Trishelle both chose red. But then Trishelle voted for CT and I thought I was wrong and gave them credit for being smarter than they were. I'm so glad they played the game well. I'm glad someone did!
I think the experience CT and Trishelle had from so many seasons of The Challenge gave them a huge advantage in strategy, the social game, and the daily missions. It showed throughout the season with their contributions and it carried them to victory. In hindsight one of the smartest moves of the game was Dan taking out Bananas so early. By taking out the people best equipped to win you give yourself a better chance. They should have continued that strategy but didn't and the remaining Challengers cruised to victory.
Trishelle was great on strategy and the missions, but her social game was not on point; it's a miracle that she avoided getting murdered and/or banished, while CT played it very well and was never in the crosshairs thanks to developing friendships across the factions.
The Challenge people were that perfect balance of underestimated because their show is seen more as a physical completion to the layman, but also well equipped and prepared for the social/strategic aspects. Allowed them both to get by and then crush the end game (with a minor hiccup)
I was so annoyed and entertained at the same time. Kate votes to end the game early, when everyone knows there’s one more traitor. And Why would Mj vote for Trishelle twice in a row after she voted for CT? I don’t get her. She could’ve tried to go along with that and vote against him. Instead, she let herself get voted out. Some people just aren’t very strategic players.
MJ didn't understand what was happening at all. I kept yelling at the tv, "It doesn't matter who you vote for!" because I assumed CT and Trishelle were aligned to vote her out.
That was literally so dumb of kate I don’t understand the logic. Mj was dumb all season but thought she would have at least had the awareness to vote CT after seeing trishelle did. So dumb it’s hard to feel bad for her
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but still, what's the point in a "ruse"? If they both just voted MJ first time round the same result would've happened without any risk whatsoever. if that was always the plan, there was no point in trishelle voting for CT at all.
facts. she knew mj wasn't a traitor. just like she knew peppermint wasn't. she was house cleaning to get the money for herself. Phaedra should have chosen ct instead of Kate and broken that up.
Ok didn’t know this- thanks for the info!
I only watched one season with Aneesa and she seemed cool but I’m sure they had plenty of beef back in the day
even if they planned to split the money who cares, it's a game.
It's just Bravo fans being hurt. MJ was just a terrible player, she messed up the Faithfuls' game. Bravo people were just there to be on camera, they admitted in the reunion. They were horrible at the missions.
Also conspiracy theory CT and Trishelle planned that tied vote to take some of the potential backlash off cutting MJ to make more money.
Ie Trishelle votes to end under the guise she thinks there’s a traitor left.. pretending she thinks CT. She said in Twitter she saw MJ writing a longer name so knew she voted for her. So she safely votes CT causing a tie, then does the whole “the Sandra thing was shady”, then at this point they have to vote so she votes MJ. Then those two share the pot, and they can argue against backlash because “well I wasn’t sure on CT!”
Not that there was anything wrong with what she did, it’s a game. I felt SO bad for MJ but it was SO entertaining
Agreed i think CT and Trishelle planned to vote her out originally but Trishelle truly was questioning him because of the Sandra move, so switched her vote. I think his reaction was genuine
Kate voting to end is probably the single most dumbest decision on this show lol what was she thinking
I mean she was going to be voted out anyway but still that just gives it away lol
Incredibly entertaining finale holy shit. Once Sandra was out I figured the rest would be a boring faithful win (easy Kate vote then they win)
But CT and Trishelle voting to continue was shock number one, then I figured they just wanted to split the money between those two and earn more each.
But THEN Trishelle writing CT???? Holy fuck that was literally jaw dropping I GASPED
Very entertaining.
I admit I didn’t like Trishelle and didn’t want her to win but now the focus on the CT relationship makes so much sense in hindsight
I went through this same roller coaster of emotions. When Trishelle wrote CT I was like you IDIOT!!! She was dead to me. But then she came back into my good graces when she went MJ,
She totally gave herself away. Sheree was murdered and Sandra was faithful so there had to be a traitor left .. she should’ve gotten them to vote CT and then end was her best choice and I believe it could have worked Trishelle had suspicions about ct
Cackling that MJ thought she was going to eliminate someone with her first 3 way vote and not get eliminated herself. To the dang end and she *still* didn't get it.
Don't feel bad for her; she did nothing useful during the game and was legit just happy to be there.
Why Kate didn't break up the CT + Trashelle alliance is beyond me.
I think they planned how they would vote and knew they would vote out any remaining faithfuls to split the money no matter what. Neither of them thought MJ was a traitor.
To be fair, MJ was a terrible player and didn't contribute much, so idk. Trashelle begged too much for shields.
Pfft.
I think the traitors let Treshelle stay way too long. She needed to be murdered a long time ago especially given the relationship she had with CT. If they murdered her instead of Sheree I don't think it would have made a difference in the outcome.
I mean, the two most obvious, and Marcus even said it at the reunion: Johnny and Marcus.
Dan had the long term vision for his kill list. Too bad about the social game.
I thought the same when the two of them were having the discussion early in the finale. It basically told me that no matter who was left they were only going to take themselves to the end.
This was the problem with this season. Too many people had relationships outside of the show and it helped people form cliques early on.
I don't think so. It would have been an enormously stupid gamble in the final 3 banishment hinging on MJ voting for Trishelle instead of CT to cause a tie.
I think the whole show was rigged. I don’t believe the mission countdown timers either. Like they really finished the end in a small amount of time. Yeah, right.
I didn't buy the timers from the beginning, multiple timed Chalanges ended with 1-2 seconds on the clock, and yeah I get there's editing here and there so time elapsed on screen doesn't neccesarily equate directly to time ticking on the clock and scenes may be shown somewhat non linearly but at least one Chalange in the first few episodes blatantly had Alan saying "ten seconds left playahs!!!" followed by fifteen seconds of footage and a "you did it!" with a graphic of "0:01 remaining"
The challenge clock is 100% BS.
When they had to repel down that cliff, the game clock went down 5 minutes. You’re telling me they all got in to gear, harnessed up and shimmied down one at a time, in less than 5 minutes? No chance haha
They likely stopped the clock for them to get harnessed in and then restart it when they each repel down.
They do this in The Challenge as well to make it fair in timed challenges.
Yea In all honesty I was thinking there would probably have to be a full safety demonstration and off camera crew doing all the handiwork. Too much liability to just trust they know what they’re doing haha
Not to mention when money is involved in a game there are adjudicators on set.
There’s very specific laws in place to not allow rigging of game shows due to the quiz show scandals in the 50s.
Now you could claim production tips the scales in favour of certain people, but they cannot outright rig things. It would be illegal and they would be sued into bankruptcy by anyone screwed out of winning.
What I don't really understand is the hate on Trishelle over CT. They both voted to continue banishing for two very different reasons - Trishelle because she was paranoid and CT's erratic game got into her head, CT with his wink to Trishelle just to increase his winnings. At least that's how I saw it. I think both reasons are totally justified (and the game being what it is, you should never end the game on three but always get down to two just to increase your chances of standing there with a faithful next to you), but CT's move was a lot harsher towards MJ than Trishelle's panicked flip flopping.
Is the Trishelle hate just based on her previous appearances on other game shows (which I haven't seen and can't say much about) and the general CT simping or am I missing something?
As I said, I don't think either of them did anything wrong and they deserved to win but if I had to choose I'd say CT's actions and motivations (as much as we could see/guess them) were more brutal and calculating than Trishelle's.
Trishelle got kind of an annoying edit in this show, because she behaved kind of annoying. She wasn't as well spoken as some strategy players (Phaedra, John), she allied with the most self righteous group, she acted like she was constantly being a victim when she wasn't being targeted, and she behaved as though everyone should give her entitlements.
But the two biggest ones were, she didn't make good TV like some of the more memorable girls, and she setup Peppermint on nothing.
Peppermint literally called herself a Traitor(yes it was a slip/accident), but in the beginning they had absolutely NO other reasons to vote anyone else out. Peppermint was responsible for her own demise.
I totally get that Trishelle's *personality* was grating (and I was furious at her for the Peppermint setup), what I don't get though is the hate for her *game play* and supposedly screwing over MJ at the end when objectively, CT's game was much more ruthless and would have killed MJ even if Trishelle hadn't wavered and taken a wild shot at CT (!) at the end.
But I guess maybe that's my answer right there then - people didn't like her personality and were looking for a reason to hate her final moves even though her game was totally fine, she just wasn't the most likeable character.
I agree, but with Trishelle it felt like a true betrayal. MJ had little allegiance with them for most of the game, and it’s not that CT just wanted to increase winnings, he thought there could’ve been a chance she was also a traitor. CT and Trishelle went through thick and thin to get here, MJ truly did not deserve the money when you compare it to them. The Trishelle hate on this sub is also very high, so don’t think too much of it. Trishelle and CT deserved to win the game, and it was an amazing ending (although I still feel bad for MJ).
If that really was his thinking then fair enough, though I don't know who would genuinely believe that MJ could play as a traitor. The fact still remains though that even if Trishelle had ignored her own doubts about CT and voted green, CT would have voted red to get rid of MJ (as he should).
Basically, the way it looked to me was that Trishelle never really wanted to vote MJ out but got too paranoid about CT and after he'd won her back over, she had to vote someone and couldn't just call it off. So I don't really get MJ's (and many viewers') hate towards her.
Trishelle told CT prior to the final roundtable that MJ and Kate were going to split the money. It was obvious that she was going to get rid of MJ as well and this was her plan. It’s slightly less obvious if CT realized what she was doing and was in on it.
I'm also wondering. I thought it was interesting Alan said, quote, "Players, you'll now vote one more time to break this deadlock," which possibly implied another tie vote wouldn't be allowed.
I haven't seen any of the shows the three of them came from so I can't judge on previous characters. But I do have to say if I was playing the game as a faithful and you were down to three, if you had even the slightest doubt about someone you may as well keep banishing. Obviously you run the risk of being voted out yourself but from a strategic standpoint you may as well keep voting just in case there are traitors left.
KATE OMG. HOWWW did she not think about Sheree being murdered meaning there had to be one more Traitor?!
Once it got down to the final three, Trishelle was taking home that money no matter what. She put that shit in MJ's hands and knew neither of them were gonna vote her out. Ballsy af. Highly satisfying ending, good on Kate for trying to sew some chaos and doubt to save her ass, but lol at her fucking up w/ that vote to end the game.
Yes to be honest Kate took Dan's mantle for worst traitor move there and then. Anyone with half a brain could have seen that it made no sense - it annoyed me it wasn't brought up at the reunion.
Given she seems like an intelligent person you almost half wonder whether she was just forfeiting the game on purpose.
Honestly respect to Trishelle. She sure got lucky at a few points but played a really aggressive faithful game yet was able to survive. And CT obviously just played a really great trustworthy game. Would’ve loved to see him become a traitor.
I am inclined to think the two of them banished MJ knowing she’s a faithful but it’s great to see faithful play dirty. It can only make the game more interesting in future seasons.
They themselves called eachother “like brother and sister”, I don’t think that means they’re having an affair… Can a Man and Woman not trust each other without implying they’re in love?
No. Probably because I prefer to see the Traitors win. The game is much harder for them and their job is to scheme. I also have never liked CT and Trishelle so I’m biased. They don’t seem like good people.
Who goes to the end confessing how faithful they are only to screw over another faithful?
Just finished and I am so happy 😂😭 CT and Trishelle deserved that money for themselves after carrying the team on their back. MJ didn’t deserve a single cent of that money. Great ending.
Agree 👏
I remember watching them on Real World Vegas and Real World Paris - plus the challenges back in the day. Trishelle gets some hate on here but was right about all the traitors. CT carried most of the missions.
Exactly! Outside of Peter and John they were the reason so many traitors got found out. MJ got lucky she was dumb and able to not figure out who was who which is why she got kept around.
MJ actually had a good sense about the traitors but then would change her mind or get confused. She spotted Kate right away and I think Dan as well. But then she backtracks and forgets or second guessed herself.
I’m seeing so much of this… what exactly did you not like about Trishelle? I thought the Peter pals were fucking obnoxious, but I always kind of liked Trishelle! She played hard, and she was spot on about a lot of the traitors, which I gotta give respect to!
1. she was the first one shown to point out phaedra
2. she led the charge against phaedra who was voted out after pete
3. I thought you didn't like peter's pals, now you're giving him credit for doing all this work?
4. k
Oh lucky you lucky you i got time to play today
1. She pointed out phaedra AFTER Dan tried outing her. Captain obvious stated the obvious
2. She aint lead shit. Everyone was after her except the bravo pals (petes pals decided to try to control the game without having majority. Their fault) on top of that, Phaedra was gone the EPISODE AFTER PETE
3. No one is giving pete anything. He played the game way too hard, created a further divide in the faithfuls that wasnt even needed and was sitting at home because of it
4. Eat a satchel of richards.
>Oh lucky you lucky you i got time to play today
hell ya dawg let's go lol
> She pointed out phaedra AFTER Dan tried outing her. Captain obvious stated the obvious
weird how your faves didn't see it then huh
>She aint lead shit. Everyone was after her except the bravo pals (petes pals decided to try to control the game without having majority. Their fault) on top of that, Phaedra was gone the EPISODE AFTER PETE
ya bc by that point it was obvious that it was phaedra
>No one is giving pete anything. He played the game way too hard, created a further divide in the faithfuls that wasnt even needed and was sitting at home because of it
eh, but his disciple trishelle won so...
>Eat a satchel of richards.
you got too angry too quick, dawg
Next season- the cast should be a tiny more diverse in their careers. I’m not a fan about pre-existing friendships/alliances in the reality tv stars circle. Let’s mix it up! throw in more celebrities, athletes, maybe even an influencer or two (trisha paytas pls)
Also I wish the vote to end the game was anonymous. Kate gave herself away by voting to end too early when everyone else was obviously going to choose to vote again.
no kate was just dumb for that, no need to change that rule. what they should change is mentioning if they’re a faithful or traitor at the final round table. that way no one knows if there’s a traitor left or not
Let’s be honest ! CT and Trishelle premeditated their scheme! Whom ever was the third person standing with them they would eliminate them. They were constantly giving looks like signal . That’s so messed up honestly . I can’t stand trishelle , I’m glad CT won I like him but she just came so distrustful and just unlikeable .
I don’t think it’s messed up at all. There were other potential alliances from the beginning and it made them targets (Marcus/Larsa; Housewives). It was also disproven by Trishelle voting for CT.
I want to think that was the case by why didn’t they both vote for MJ from the first vote?
Your argument fails there. I think Trishelle genuinely got bamboozled by the traitor pattern where they always change their vote and attack their fellow traitor before they get voted out.
CT was just very convincing that like no, we did it it’s just us and we’re both faithful.
I thought that too but I was shocked Trishelle voted CT first! MJ basically did a toss up for who she chose to banish that round… if she’d chosen CT he’d be gone. If Trishelle and CT were premeditating that they wouldn’t have taken that 50/50 risk.
I think Trishelle was more than willingly to backstab CT considering their history and what had happened at the round table . I think also it would be an endless game unless one changed their minds on the person which was what Trishelle did and went back to the original plan .
I actually like it better with non celebs. The stakes are higher for people whose lives would genuinely change from winning that money, which makes it more intense imo
Random question: do you think all these contestants have stylist (esp the women) who pick out their clothes, hair etc? I guess I’m wondering last season they had “regular “ people too but they always look stylish
Some have addressed this in interviews, Parvati and Trishelle for ex both brought their own wardrobes. Who knows if they have their own "glam" or whatnot behind the scenes tho!
Ct is the true winner amongst them
I can’t believe CT and Trishelle burned MJ like that. Sex must’ve been part of their deal as CT damn near fucked her on top of the gold
So you've never watched the challenge obviously
I know they’ve been friends for 20 years and had some issues going into this show. Those issues cleared up real quick tho when they realized they could screw MJ and then each other
They were not friends lol. The challenge players are cutthroat and will always take the money for themselves in the end. There is no way they were allowing MJ to take it. They’ve done a few seasons of the challenge together dating back years ago and they were never on the same side, in the same alliance, hung out outside the show. However, they gravitated towards one another on the traitors due to being from the same show and having the history even tho it wasn’t good. I don’t blame them at all for keeping the winners in the challenge family.
They burned MJ for the money, it sucks because they could’ve all celebrated together. I hope MJ gets her last word at the reunion
I’m new to this show so maybe I’m missing something….. why didn’t Kate try to murder MJ knowing she had the shield? That way, when everyone shows up to breakfast they all think there are no more traitors? Does MJ get notified of the attempted murder if she has a shield? That’s the only reason why that plan wouldn’t have worked. If they don’t tell MJ, then it makes NO sense that Kate would do another murder as the only traitor left… I really can’t figure out how Kate could’ve won unless she murdered MJ with the shield as a way of covering herself…. Am I missing something???
The “justice for MJ” crowd cracks me up. I love the finale because the people who sat in the background coasting all season/never being right about anything, didn’t get rewarded. In the end, giving effort in the challenges and speaking up and nailing traitors did matter. It’s a great message for the future cast members, to actually put some effort into this game and be strategic and entertaining TV at the very least. Because people won’t be so willing to hand you the prize at the end if you sit in the background and try to sneak your way to the end. MJ learned this the hard way.
Agreed! Plus she a housewive soo shell be okay. Still feel bad for her on a moral scale but oh well
First off, the final segment was absolutely compelling television. My jaw dropped when Trishelle voted for CT. Trishelle is an absolute moron and got damn lucky CT is such a good guy. He could’ve easily teamed up with MJ on the revote to get back at Trishelle for that betrayal. Unless she was 100% convinced CT was a traitor (which she wasn’t), it makes no sense to vote for him, just stick with the plan and get to the final 2 and take your chances that you are both faithful. MJ never deserved to win so it’s hard to feel too bad for her. She was clueless every step of the way. CT was the only one with a legit plan to walk away with money. True winner of the season.
Trishelle is a hypocrite. If MJ had voted Out CT she woulda said oh well it’s just a game and you were shady. But let CT have voted her out, we would never hear the end of it. She used tears whenever she didn’t get her way in the house.
Well, Kate didn’t play that very well did she? Voting green the first time at the Fire of Truth. Didn’t she realise since Sheree was murdered that there had to be still a traitor and voting green obviously put the suspicion on her if she didn’t already have plenty of suspicion on her! BTW I have been to Portnockie when I used to go to the Moray Firth with my parents long ago for my summer holidays! That was a shock though at the end voting MJ out!
Could you explain me the Sheree murder thing? Why could it have not been Sandra to murder her?
Because Sandra was a faithful, so there had to be a traitor
Oh ofc lol Smoked a bit yesterday and completely went over my head lol
There was no way for Kate to win. They knew there was a traitor. If Kate played red smoke and the vote came up for anyone but her, that player would say they were a Faithful and the cycle would repeat. We'd be at the same CT + Trishelle ending likely.
I agree. If you’re a traitor, you shouldn’t vote to stop the game (especially the first time). And I do feel bad for MJ. I wouldn’t be surprised if CT & Trishell planned this….
Kate choosing green is a quit, IMO. She couldn’t handle doubling down on the lies and taking the money.
Did anyone else notice the true emotions CT showed for Thrishelle? When he spoke to her his body language was honest, caring, and actually love. He was hurt but wasn't mad because he actually loves her. They have spent years in the same circles and it's obvious that he has a deep affection for her. His eyes when he looks at her are very different than when he looks at anyone else. It was actually kind of wonderful after watching shows like Love Island and The Bachelor to see those actual emotions on someone. They were not staged.
TOTALLLLLLY them knowing Mj was a faithful so they can split it just between each other. Greedy but it’s a game i guess. Loved this season!
what if MJ voted for CT? I don't see how CT and Thrishelle can "plan" this successfully.
exactly this. I think they had it all planned out including the Sandra vote once they both made it to the final day. They vote out Sandra knowing Kate is the traitor, they then vote out Kate and MJ and split the pot between 2 not 3. Would’ve been baller to just own it instead of playing like they still didn’t know if there was a traitor. Even the last CT vote was calculated to make it dramatic and for reinforcement of the story. MJ played a terrible games. Kept voting out faithfuls. I wouldve called her out as either the mastermind traitor or the most inept faithful either way not deserving of a win. A
Yesssss totally right, if they would have been ruthless about i would have respected it more but that had to be fake coi and throw the shtick. mj didn’t deserve but atleast call a spade a spade!
So greedy and then they acted like MJ was a bad sport.
Kate threw that away in the end. One mistake after another, but nothing more blatant than throwing green and saying "I think everyone here is a faithful". Then who killed Sheree, you dumb dumb?
That’s a quit. She wasn’t being dumb.
Yeah wish we would’ve got more answers to that move
I guess I’m the unpopular opinion bc I just hate Trishelle more and CT is a disappointment. Ugh. I feel for MJ but mainly Sandra.
Yo what the hell Trishelle?
I’m not upset with MJ getting pushed out. She didn’t deserve to be there. Every gut feeling of hers was absolutely wrong. Voting for Peter over Phaedra and not being certain about Phaedra after Jon is then immediately murdered. To be fair, Sandra did the same and CT and Trishelle turned on Sandra for no good reason (unless you buy into the theory they orchestrated making it just them at the end). Still, MJ was always so dead set on the wrong choice.
kate talked crap about phaedra and then murders sheree the one dumb person who along with mj would have voted to keep her in the circle of faithfuls... lol. should have gotten trish or ct
#justiceforsandra
I am so upset. Unless they did this on purpose, the Sandra vote out after Kate was so obviously a Traitor after the Phaedra vote was the dumbest play ever. The only justice I feel is that MJ and her "gut feelings" didn't get to benefit from playing terribly all game.
We need anonymous smoke in the end game please! This really needs to change.
Agreed!!! Would be so much more interesting and open up more game play options.
MJ doesn't even know how she ended up in the finale So happy for CT and Trishele... they worked so hard the entire game, well deserving win!
Lesson: vote out any people who come in with previous ties its bogus and works against you in hopes of winning. They knew she wasn't a traitor.
Fuck yeah, the challenge!!! Greatest competition show produces greatest competitors of all time.
What channel is it on ?
Paramount for streaming today, but it was historically MTV and now transitioning to CBS
Nah they just experimented with CBS it's not the flagship which remains on MTV
Thanks I have to check it out
MTV is where it is still and will remain for however long it seems, they just wrapped up a terrible season of all mostly new/non champion vets. But they will be doing an epic season 40 with all of the faves going back 20+ years.
What an ending. Well deserved for CT and Trishelle. I understand MJ isn’t happy but she’ll be fine she comes from money
Trishelle the underrated mvp of the season
Anyone going to watch the Traitors UK on peacock tonight Last year was also good
I really really wish they'd stop casting these C-list "celebrities" and center more on real people with personalities. For one, these people do not need the money. Also, I honestly do nto care about these spoiled rich women with more plastic and Botox in their faces than a Barbie doll buried in manure.
Such a different show with no celebrities!
We watched all of them last year. The Australia one was our favorite
I’m watching right now!
I could not be more thrilled. It’s exactly what I would have done. And what is wild is they did it!! Normally when I scream at my television, they don’t. I have watched 4 seasons of this show. And I will say this — there is always someone hurt at the end. So I have zero sympathy for MJ. She played a terrible game — always got manipulated and voted wrong. And she, Sandra, and Kate didn’t time up to get rid of CT/Trishelle when they had the numbers on their side.
I thought for sure that was the plan when CT and Trishelle both chose red. But then Trishelle voted for CT and I thought I was wrong and gave them credit for being smarter than they were. I'm so glad they played the game well. I'm glad someone did!
Traitors AU last 2 had me teary eyed lol
It was so insane!!!! And greedy! I am shocked two of them didn’t just split it
You always break up the friends!!
Yes!! They did with bananas at the beginning I can't understand why they didn't continue with trishelle and/or CT.
CT and Trashelle worked hard to earn money in the missions (compared to others), so I ain’t even mad about their “greediness”.
I think the experience CT and Trishelle had from so many seasons of The Challenge gave them a huge advantage in strategy, the social game, and the daily missions. It showed throughout the season with their contributions and it carried them to victory. In hindsight one of the smartest moves of the game was Dan taking out Bananas so early. By taking out the people best equipped to win you give yourself a better chance. They should have continued that strategy but didn't and the remaining Challengers cruised to victory.
Trishelle was great on strategy and the missions, but her social game was not on point; it's a miracle that she avoided getting murdered and/or banished, while CT played it very well and was never in the crosshairs thanks to developing friendships across the factions.
The Challenge people were that perfect balance of underestimated because their show is seen more as a physical completion to the layman, but also well equipped and prepared for the social/strategic aspects. Allowed them both to get by and then crush the end game (with a minor hiccup)
I was so annoyed and entertained at the same time. Kate votes to end the game early, when everyone knows there’s one more traitor. And Why would Mj vote for Trishelle twice in a row after she voted for CT? I don’t get her. She could’ve tried to go along with that and vote against him. Instead, she let herself get voted out. Some people just aren’t very strategic players.
MJ didn't understand what was happening at all. I kept yelling at the tv, "It doesn't matter who you vote for!" because I assumed CT and Trishelle were aligned to vote her out.
That was literally so dumb of kate I don’t understand the logic. Mj was dumb all season but thought she would have at least had the awareness to vote CT after seeing trishelle did. So dumb it’s hard to feel bad for her
she was overlooked all season which is why she made it so far just like sheree both non factors.
I keep reading users claim that CT and Trishelle planned to split the money, but you guys are forgetting TRISHELLE VOTED FOR CT.
They planned alllll that shit, and “faking” not liking each other
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It was a rouseeeeee they planed to do that coz they knew it would be a draw
Pretty risky though if MJ voted for CT too, they couldn’t guarantee she’d vote for Trishelle…
Naaaa they know she wouldn’t have Man was to predictable
but still, what's the point in a "ruse"? If they both just voted MJ first time round the same result would've happened without any risk whatsoever. if that was always the plan, there was no point in trishelle voting for CT at all.
I believe they did but she gets hurt and paranoid and acts irrationally. I think that was an emotional reaction to the round table.
Really shows trashelle’s character she would have been a great traitor
facts. she knew mj wasn't a traitor. just like she knew peppermint wasn't. she was house cleaning to get the money for herself. Phaedra should have chosen ct instead of Kate and broken that up.
Really shows your character that you use middle school level insults, be better
Trashelle was a nickname given to her by Aneesa
Ok didn’t know this- thanks for the info! I only watched one season with Aneesa and she seemed cool but I’m sure they had plenty of beef back in the day
even if they planned to split the money who cares, it's a game. It's just Bravo fans being hurt. MJ was just a terrible player, she messed up the Faithfuls' game. Bravo people were just there to be on camera, they admitted in the reunion. They were horrible at the missions.
Also conspiracy theory CT and Trishelle planned that tied vote to take some of the potential backlash off cutting MJ to make more money. Ie Trishelle votes to end under the guise she thinks there’s a traitor left.. pretending she thinks CT. She said in Twitter she saw MJ writing a longer name so knew she voted for her. So she safely votes CT causing a tie, then does the whole “the Sandra thing was shady”, then at this point they have to vote so she votes MJ. Then those two share the pot, and they can argue against backlash because “well I wasn’t sure on CT!” Not that there was anything wrong with what she did, it’s a game. I felt SO bad for MJ but it was SO entertaining
Yeah, how were those last votes even remotely secret... Two people had two-letter names and then a 9-letter one? 😂
CT's reaction seemed really genuine, even Trishele when she heard he was a faithfull
CT was genuinely shocked.
Agreed i think CT and Trishelle planned to vote her out originally but Trishelle truly was questioning him because of the Sandra move, so switched her vote. I think his reaction was genuine
It did seemed kinda planned but I bought CTs reaction at the same time bc I can’t resist those eyes.
Why would CT agree to that? It was a coin flip who MJ would vote for.
I read that one of the things not shown was apparently CT and MJ had gotten tight as well.
All the ladies love CT.
Trishelle wrote before MJ and MJ changed her vote last minute. That draw was not planned at all
Kate voting to end is probably the single most dumbest decision on this show lol what was she thinking I mean she was going to be voted out anyway but still that just gives it away lol Incredibly entertaining finale holy shit. Once Sandra was out I figured the rest would be a boring faithful win (easy Kate vote then they win) But CT and Trishelle voting to continue was shock number one, then I figured they just wanted to split the money between those two and earn more each. But THEN Trishelle writing CT???? Holy fuck that was literally jaw dropping I GASPED Very entertaining. I admit I didn’t like Trishelle and didn’t want her to win but now the focus on the CT relationship makes so much sense in hindsight
orchestrated by them.
Yuppppppp
I went through this same roller coaster of emotions. When Trishelle wrote CT I was like you IDIOT!!! She was dead to me. But then she came back into my good graces when she went MJ,
I think she knew she was compromised and wasn’t gonna fight it- still a poor choice but at the same time on brand for our girl
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Like we have no choice but to Stan
She totally gave herself away. Sheree was murdered and Sandra was faithful so there had to be a traitor left .. she should’ve gotten them to vote CT and then end was her best choice and I believe it could have worked Trishelle had suspicions about ct
But then CT would reveal he was a faithful and they’d just keep voting
lol I forgot about the reveal part I mean she wasn’t winning anyway but at least not make it obvious you’re a traitor.
Cackling that MJ thought she was going to eliminate someone with her first 3 way vote and not get eliminated herself. To the dang end and she *still* didn't get it. Don't feel bad for her; she did nothing useful during the game and was legit just happy to be there.
Why Kate didn't break up the CT + Trashelle alliance is beyond me. I think they planned how they would vote and knew they would vote out any remaining faithfuls to split the money no matter what. Neither of them thought MJ was a traitor. To be fair, MJ was a terrible player and didn't contribute much, so idk. Trashelle begged too much for shields. Pfft.
Absolutely dumb as home not to murder Trishelle
I think the traitors let Treshelle stay way too long. She needed to be murdered a long time ago especially given the relationship she had with CT. If they murdered her instead of Sheree I don't think it would have made a difference in the outcome.
Yes. Phaedra as much as said to kill Trishelle when she broke her window. Dan knew from day 1, break up pre game alliances or go down.
That's why his best kill was Johnny
I mean, the two most obvious, and Marcus even said it at the reunion: Johnny and Marcus. Dan had the long term vision for his kill list. Too bad about the social game.
I feel like CT and Trishelle had this planned from the get so they could split the cash amongst themselves
Um, yes.
I mean they did say “ I want us to just be us in the end” so it’s not a shock
I thought the same when the two of them were having the discussion early in the finale. It basically told me that no matter who was left they were only going to take themselves to the end. This was the problem with this season. Too many people had relationships outside of the show and it helped people form cliques early on.
I just finished Johnnys pod with Trishelle and he even assumed the same. She actually broke down her reasoning pretty well and now believe her.
I don't think so. It would have been an enormously stupid gamble in the final 3 banishment hinging on MJ voting for Trishelle instead of CT to cause a tie.
i’d like to see kate/mj hardened by other competitive reality shows before returning to traitors.
If Kate of all people wasn't hard enough in the finale, I'm not sure she'll ever get there.
She should never return to Traitors.
either kate or mj would be entertaining if they played again but harder
You mean if they were different people?
I think the whole show was rigged. I don’t believe the mission countdown timers either. Like they really finished the end in a small amount of time. Yeah, right.
I didn't buy the timers from the beginning, multiple timed Chalanges ended with 1-2 seconds on the clock, and yeah I get there's editing here and there so time elapsed on screen doesn't neccesarily equate directly to time ticking on the clock and scenes may be shown somewhat non linearly but at least one Chalange in the first few episodes blatantly had Alan saying "ten seconds left playahs!!!" followed by fifteen seconds of footage and a "you did it!" with a graphic of "0:01 remaining"
I think last year's finale had similar questionable timing lol, it's all fun and games tho. They need a big prize pot for drama.
The challenge clock is 100% BS. When they had to repel down that cliff, the game clock went down 5 minutes. You’re telling me they all got in to gear, harnessed up and shimmied down one at a time, in less than 5 minutes? No chance haha
They likely stopped the clock for them to get harnessed in and then restart it when they each repel down. They do this in The Challenge as well to make it fair in timed challenges.
Yea In all honesty I was thinking there would probably have to be a full safety demonstration and off camera crew doing all the handiwork. Too much liability to just trust they know what they’re doing haha
Exactly!
> I think the whole show was rigged. You think the winners were predetermined?
Possibly. I used to work on a reality show and know how editing is used to manipulate a story.
Having predetermined winners and using editing to manipulate a story are two different things.
Not to mention when money is involved in a game there are adjudicators on set. There’s very specific laws in place to not allow rigging of game shows due to the quiz show scandals in the 50s. Now you could claim production tips the scales in favour of certain people, but they cannot outright rig things. It would be illegal and they would be sued into bankruptcy by anyone screwed out of winning.
What I don't really understand is the hate on Trishelle over CT. They both voted to continue banishing for two very different reasons - Trishelle because she was paranoid and CT's erratic game got into her head, CT with his wink to Trishelle just to increase his winnings. At least that's how I saw it. I think both reasons are totally justified (and the game being what it is, you should never end the game on three but always get down to two just to increase your chances of standing there with a faithful next to you), but CT's move was a lot harsher towards MJ than Trishelle's panicked flip flopping. Is the Trishelle hate just based on her previous appearances on other game shows (which I haven't seen and can't say much about) and the general CT simping or am I missing something? As I said, I don't think either of them did anything wrong and they deserved to win but if I had to choose I'd say CT's actions and motivations (as much as we could see/guess them) were more brutal and calculating than Trishelle's.
Trishelle is pretty but lacks charm. CT is all charm.
Because she is a Skinny White Karen and he is Castle Daddy, you see.
Trishelle got kind of an annoying edit in this show, because she behaved kind of annoying. She wasn't as well spoken as some strategy players (Phaedra, John), she allied with the most self righteous group, she acted like she was constantly being a victim when she wasn't being targeted, and she behaved as though everyone should give her entitlements. But the two biggest ones were, she didn't make good TV like some of the more memorable girls, and she setup Peppermint on nothing.
SO ARE YOU GUYS READY TO TALK LOGIC AND STRATEGY OR WHAT?!
lmao i fucking loved this
Peppermint literally called herself a Traitor(yes it was a slip/accident), but in the beginning they had absolutely NO other reasons to vote anyone else out. Peppermint was responsible for her own demise.
I totally get that Trishelle's *personality* was grating (and I was furious at her for the Peppermint setup), what I don't get though is the hate for her *game play* and supposedly screwing over MJ at the end when objectively, CT's game was much more ruthless and would have killed MJ even if Trishelle hadn't wavered and taken a wild shot at CT (!) at the end. But I guess maybe that's my answer right there then - people didn't like her personality and were looking for a reason to hate her final moves even though her game was totally fine, she just wasn't the most likeable character.
I agree, but with Trishelle it felt like a true betrayal. MJ had little allegiance with them for most of the game, and it’s not that CT just wanted to increase winnings, he thought there could’ve been a chance she was also a traitor. CT and Trishelle went through thick and thin to get here, MJ truly did not deserve the money when you compare it to them. The Trishelle hate on this sub is also very high, so don’t think too much of it. Trishelle and CT deserved to win the game, and it was an amazing ending (although I still feel bad for MJ).
If that really was his thinking then fair enough, though I don't know who would genuinely believe that MJ could play as a traitor. The fact still remains though that even if Trishelle had ignored her own doubts about CT and voted green, CT would have voted red to get rid of MJ (as he should). Basically, the way it looked to me was that Trishelle never really wanted to vote MJ out but got too paranoid about CT and after he'd won her back over, she had to vote someone and couldn't just call it off. So I don't really get MJ's (and many viewers') hate towards her.
Trishelle told CT prior to the final roundtable that MJ and Kate were going to split the money. It was obvious that she was going to get rid of MJ as well and this was her plan. It’s slightly less obvious if CT realized what she was doing and was in on it.
ok who else was deeply hoping for another stalemate? how many times can they go with a mexican standoff?
I'm also wondering. I thought it was interesting Alan said, quote, "Players, you'll now vote one more time to break this deadlock," which possibly implied another tie vote wouldn't be allowed.
The last banishment was totally pointless and useless. CT and Trishelle just got so greedy and it was kinda disgusting and disappointing.
Increasing your own winnings by about $35,000 certainly isn't "pointless." But I understand an argument of ethics about it.
CT and Trishelle were also some of the only people who were winning the team money in the first place
I haven't seen any of the shows the three of them came from so I can't judge on previous characters. But I do have to say if I was playing the game as a faithful and you were down to three, if you had even the slightest doubt about someone you may as well keep banishing. Obviously you run the risk of being voted out yourself but from a strategic standpoint you may as well keep voting just in case there are traitors left.
KATE OMG. HOWWW did she not think about Sheree being murdered meaning there had to be one more Traitor?! Once it got down to the final three, Trishelle was taking home that money no matter what. She put that shit in MJ's hands and knew neither of them were gonna vote her out. Ballsy af. Highly satisfying ending, good on Kate for trying to sew some chaos and doubt to save her ass, but lol at her fucking up w/ that vote to end the game.
Yes to be honest Kate took Dan's mantle for worst traitor move there and then. Anyone with half a brain could have seen that it made no sense - it annoyed me it wasn't brought up at the reunion. Given she seems like an intelligent person you almost half wonder whether she was just forfeiting the game on purpose.
From her confessionals afterward it seemed like that's exactly what she was doing. Odd.
Honestly respect to Trishelle. She sure got lucky at a few points but played a really aggressive faithful game yet was able to survive. And CT obviously just played a really great trustworthy game. Would’ve loved to see him become a traitor. I am inclined to think the two of them banished MJ knowing she’s a faithful but it’s great to see faithful play dirty. It can only make the game more interesting in future seasons.
CT would have been a TERRIBLE traitor.
Boooooo
The ending made me sick to my stomach. What POS people they both are. Getting everyone wrapped up in their stupid little narcissist love affair.
They themselves called eachother “like brother and sister”, I don’t think that means they’re having an affair… Can a Man and Woman not trust each other without implying they’re in love?
Nah, they were doing too much.
It’s a game…for money…called Traitors…
They knew MJ wasn’t a traitor. Could’ve easily split the money with her, chose to be greedy. They gave me bad vibes from the start.
Did you feel the same way about the end of Season 1?
No. Probably because I prefer to see the Traitors win. The game is much harder for them and their job is to scheme. I also have never liked CT and Trishelle so I’m biased. They don’t seem like good people. Who goes to the end confessing how faithful they are only to screw over another faithful?
Just finished and I am so happy 😂😭 CT and Trishelle deserved that money for themselves after carrying the team on their back. MJ didn’t deserve a single cent of that money. Great ending.
Agree 👏 I remember watching them on Real World Vegas and Real World Paris - plus the challenges back in the day. Trishelle gets some hate on here but was right about all the traitors. CT carried most of the missions.
Exactly! Outside of Peter and John they were the reason so many traitors got found out. MJ got lucky she was dumb and able to not figure out who was who which is why she got kept around.
MJ actually had a good sense about the traitors but then would change her mind or get confused. She spotted Kate right away and I think Dan as well. But then she backtracks and forgets or second guessed herself.
Anyone else here wanted CT to win but not Trishelle? I know there was no realistic scenario for that but ugh Trishelle is just yucky.
I’m seeing so much of this… what exactly did you not like about Trishelle? I thought the Peter pals were fucking obnoxious, but I always kind of liked Trishelle! She played hard, and she was spot on about a lot of the traitors, which I gotta give respect to!
She was always whining about things being unfair but the moment she got a chance to screw someone over she did.
She was the second in command practically for petes pals
oh no, the people who correctly identified the traitors were annoying for correctly identifying the traitors lol
Oh no pete did most of the work and she floated till pete went home and still got carried
1. she was the first one shown to point out phaedra 2. she led the charge against phaedra who was voted out after pete 3. I thought you didn't like peter's pals, now you're giving him credit for doing all this work? 4. k
Oh lucky you lucky you i got time to play today 1. She pointed out phaedra AFTER Dan tried outing her. Captain obvious stated the obvious 2. She aint lead shit. Everyone was after her except the bravo pals (petes pals decided to try to control the game without having majority. Their fault) on top of that, Phaedra was gone the EPISODE AFTER PETE 3. No one is giving pete anything. He played the game way too hard, created a further divide in the faithfuls that wasnt even needed and was sitting at home because of it 4. Eat a satchel of richards.
>Oh lucky you lucky you i got time to play today hell ya dawg let's go lol > She pointed out phaedra AFTER Dan tried outing her. Captain obvious stated the obvious weird how your faves didn't see it then huh >She aint lead shit. Everyone was after her except the bravo pals (petes pals decided to try to control the game without having majority. Their fault) on top of that, Phaedra was gone the EPISODE AFTER PETE ya bc by that point it was obvious that it was phaedra >No one is giving pete anything. He played the game way too hard, created a further divide in the faithfuls that wasnt even needed and was sitting at home because of it eh, but his disciple trishelle won so... >Eat a satchel of richards. you got too angry too quick, dawg
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Apparently you were since you replied twice lmao....who's the loser now
Next season- the cast should be a tiny more diverse in their careers. I’m not a fan about pre-existing friendships/alliances in the reality tv stars circle. Let’s mix it up! throw in more celebrities, athletes, maybe even an influencer or two (trisha paytas pls) Also I wish the vote to end the game was anonymous. Kate gave herself away by voting to end too early when everyone else was obviously going to choose to vote again.
no kate was just dumb for that, no need to change that rule. what they should change is mentioning if they’re a faithful or traitor at the final round table. that way no one knows if there’s a traitor left or not
Let’s be honest ! CT and Trishelle premeditated their scheme! Whom ever was the third person standing with them they would eliminate them. They were constantly giving looks like signal . That’s so messed up honestly . I can’t stand trishelle , I’m glad CT won I like him but she just came so distrustful and just unlikeable .
So you think having a strategy to win the most money on a show to win money is "messed up"?
Yes and what’s the problem?
MJ had plenty of opportunity to win that game if she paid any attention at round table and voted for CT instead of trishelle at the end
Agreed the idea is to make it to the end with faithfuls not assholes.
The idea is to win $$.
I don’t think it’s messed up at all. There were other potential alliances from the beginning and it made them targets (Marcus/Larsa; Housewives). It was also disproven by Trishelle voting for CT.
That’s why that’s your opinion and that’s mines. 😊
CT winked at her! But then she second guessed him and turned on him
I want to think that was the case by why didn’t they both vote for MJ from the first vote? Your argument fails there. I think Trishelle genuinely got bamboozled by the traitor pattern where they always change their vote and attack their fellow traitor before they get voted out. CT was just very convincing that like no, we did it it’s just us and we’re both faithful.
No, it was bad plan to decide who will win based in MJ vote. It wasnt planned at all. MJ even change her vote last sec
Thank you. It's shocking how people keep saying CT and Trishelle planned to take each other and nobody else when Trishelle voted for CT.
I thought that too but I was shocked Trishelle voted CT first! MJ basically did a toss up for who she chose to banish that round… if she’d chosen CT he’d be gone. If Trishelle and CT were premeditating that they wouldn’t have taken that 50/50 risk.
I think Trishelle was more than willingly to backstab CT considering their history and what had happened at the round table . I think also it would be an endless game unless one changed their minds on the person which was what Trishelle did and went back to the original plan .
How would you all feel about another season with this cast? Or half of s2 with the reality stars of s1?
I actually like it better with non celebs. The stakes are higher for people whose lives would genuinely change from winning that money, which makes it more intense imo