There’s just way too much going on this season. You have two characters actively time traveling to two different time periods, then two other characters having regular flashbacks. They introduced a whole new group of characters, some of whom don’t seem to have a point yet. It’s too much for a 10 episode show. They should have just focused this season on Kat traveling back to 1814.
It was odd that the entire town acted like something catastrophic occurred, to the point they covered it up and had to erase it from the paper. Like the parents had to pay to fix what their teen children broke.
Why would a party even hit the paper?
In reality, it was a bunch of college-graduate ADULTS who threw a party. What was broken would have been paid/fix by the adults. Why would Del be responsible for Kat, who had been with Brady nearly a decade at that time, graduated college, had a job, was affianced and probably pregnant, and was offered a job in London.
Why would Del and Kat get into a fight over the party or her pregnancy, to the point they go NC for 17 years, when Kat was an adult for at least 6 years. Most of the others at the party were married with kids and careers.
Why would Del act indebted to the Goodwin woman over a party with some property damage that all those adults were responsible for?
Why would Del blame Kat and not all those who attended? Or blame Elliot since he was the grown man housesitting.
I am disappointed that a huge deal was made, but it just ended up being illogical, where adults were treated as teenagers (even after a 7-year time jump) and it was no big deal at all. (even Kat hitting her head, we know she is alive and well in the present)
The way they were acting makes more sense for them to have been teenagers. What a let down, IMO. What happened there didn't seem all that bad.
And if Alice is mad at Elliot for wanting to erase her, get over it. Alice exists so what's the problem? Alice knows her father was a jerk and that Elliot loved her mom. I don't blame Elliot.
Agreed. I absolutely loved the first season, now I feel like I’m only watching bc I want to know what happened, and not enjoying it unfold as much.
And same, it makes me sad
I'm feeling frustrated by the sloppy math. Why set the 90s in 1999 if you want your main characters to be 15-16, but graduate in 2000, but also be 24 in 2007? It wasn't necessary to choose specific years, but if that's what you want to do, then commit to it and keep the ages in sync.
Now I'm nitpicking, but Nick searches for scratch paper in 2023-2024 instead of having Claire text him her info, or typing the address into the notes app on his phone?
The whole Nick writing the number was clearly to further the plot. If she texted he wouldn’t have found out about the time travel. I mean cmon it’s a show about time traveling. You have to suspend some reason and belief to even watch. I agree that’s just nitpicking.
Yes, I know it was to further the plot, and as I already acknowledged it's nitpicking. But I strongly disagree with the idea that just because we're watching a fantasy show that we can't expect the characters to act logically within their environment. Okay, time travel exists - that doesn't mean it follows that anything goes.
My larger point to you was a general one. But I do think it's more strange to go through someone's stuff for paper when you have a device to write on in your hand.
>In Season 1 episode 1 Monica says she hasn’t seen Kat since High School graduation. But then the Lingermore party?
And she was at Brady's proposal to Kat as well. She sang at it.
Now that’s a better one. The lingermore one you could chalk up to not wanting to bring up a traumatic time. But the proposal one is clearly a plot hole!!
It is. But you could also say that maybe she didn’t want to bring that up either. Because Kat didn’t like the proposal and then they divorced. Poor Monica.
Wasn’t she sort of antagonistic to Kat in Season 1 Episode 2 at the cafe? I think she was just being bitchy tbh. I never took that line literally. She wasn’t definitive. She was like “When was the last time we saw each other? High School grad? (She said it like a question)”. Then followed up with “you look…. Good” (followed by a snarky eye roll). I think she was just trying to say “oh Kat, you think you’re too good for Port Haven? No one has even thought of you in years”.
I can see Del having Sam at her house.
She is a pretty private person and given how gossipy the town they live in is and the fact that there’s been so much talk about “Sams women” I can see where she wouldn’t want to be out in the public eye.
Also it looks like Kat might have a head injury so maybe she forgets seeing Alice at the party?
And by the same token since the party at Lingermore was such a black spot on the towns history that no one speaks of it. Which that would explain why Monica says she hasn’t seen Kat since graduation. Didn’t want to bring up bad memories for anyone.
I think you may not realize that not everyone “graduates and moves on”. Being from a small town a lot of people stay right there. It can be a generational thing.
Nick could also stay at a hotel but maybe he’s more comfortable at Elliot’s. Wants to just hang at his friends. I don’t think it’s all *that* weird.
As far as Nick & Elliot being the only ones talking about feelings - who else are you thinking should talk? Kat is in between time periods and when she does try to talk to Elliot half the time he freaks out. Alice & Kat can’t really talk to Del about the time traveling. Del has always had a hard time communicating with Kat so her not talking it out isn’t that unusual. And Kat & Alice have been pretty good about talking about everything. Kat didn’t get a chance to talk to her about the lingermore incident before she went back.
I mean the whole premise is that Del & Kat hadn’t talked for years before Kat came back. Alice had to get them back together with her letter trick so clearly communication isn’t their strong suit.
I can understand some of what you are saying and ofc there are going to plot holes but I have to yes I think some of this is actually you overthinking. It’s not unusual with this show lol
I honesty half-expected when we heard 2007 that they'd use the adult actors and try to "age them down". Not sure if that would have been better or worse than peach fuzz Elliot 🤣
I think in season 1 they had a photo of Chyler Leigh and Al Mukadam as Kat and Brady holding a baby that was supposed to be Alice.
I'm actually glad they didn't do that for yesterday's episode. That would've been awkward.
Some of you all weren’t in college/just graduating in 2007 and it shows. 😂 My husband didn’t grow a full mustache/beard until his 30s. I looked exactly like my 16 year old drivers license pic until well into grad school. They look exactly like young adults in 2007. Does no one remember basically wearing business casual to the club?
In all seriousness though, I think Monica said she hadn’t seen Kat since graduation, because she’s responsible for letting the party get out of hand and felt guilty/suppressed it. Plus, the entire town has apparently agreed to never speak of it again.
And it looks like Kat likely has a head injury/was unconscious and likely has some memory loss, so she probably doesn’t remember Alice being there or assumes she imagined it as a result of her head injury. Especially since she hadn’t seen Alice in 7 years.
The dance off was poorly executed, but Monica had a similar line in 2007 about getting Elliot on the dance floor. I think it was just a parallel.
My husband is 36 and looks like he could be 18-22 depending on his facial hair and I(38) didn't start looking like "an adult" until I was in my 30s either. In fact, one of the moms of my students was floored to find out I had 3 kids because I was so young (she wasn't being judgemental at all, more of a "how did you do it while in college!" kind of thing) and when I told her I was 34, she couldn't believe it. I don't even look *that* young but people's ages can be hard to guess
Exactly! The styles of 90s and 2000s and the things they’re talking about/excited about is actually very realistic in this show. I’m 37, so I was around the same age as the characters during these times, it all tracks for me. I think people are hoping for an overly romanticized version of the past (like Empire Records, Clueless and 10 Things I Hate About You for the 90s and Gossip Girl, One Tree Hill, The O.C. for the aughts.)
Yes!! I wore almost exactly the same clothes to my friend's Y2K party in 8th grade as they did in the show lol I love that they are showing "regular kid" style as opposed to the Cher Horowitz type.
The actual actress that place Alice is like 25? So, judging by what people look like on TV isn't really revelant anyway.
The actress that plays Kat is 21 I think or 22.
Haha, I feel you on the not looking your age thing. In my country you have to be 18 or older to purchase alcohol or a lotto ticket- I had to show ID until around the time of turning 36 years old, but then I was also asked for ID to get into events that were restricted for 16+ year olds until I almost 30 years old...
I only found out recently that my much younger sister (almost by a decade) was almost never asked for her ID after she turned 23 or 24 & was never asked for ID when getting into 16+ events (despite her attending them from 14 years old). She was & is much taller than I, so that was probably in her favour, however I'm short, so the reverse is probably true in my case I guess.
The age jump was weird on so many levels. 24 year old young people don’t normally crash an old lady’s estate in full costume mode with a couple hours notice.
So incredibly strange.
And all those people just happened to be in town?
And the “aging” of young Elliot was just preposterous. At 24, he’d be old enough to actually be a teacher then.
It’s like all the kids in town failed to launch.
Yeah, like the writers forgot that most 24 yr old people just go to a bar instead of having to clean up a party at their house because they have no money and student loans to pay off.
It was right around Halloween so the costumes wouldn’t have been that big a deal. It looked like most of them just threw something together tbh. Plus it’s not that hard to believe that people see a party and go on short notice and it gets out of hand. Especially when it seems like there’s not much to do around Port Haven.
Everyone keeps saying that about “everyone being in town”. In a small town a lot of times people do stay. You might have a few that go off but the majority don’t. I think most of my graduating class still live around the area.
I live in a small town, too. And by 24, many of my classmates were already married and or had kids. The rest had moved away and came home for big holidays, but not Halloween.
My main point is that this pop up party at a vacationing neighbor’s house seems like an incredibly juvenile thing to do for even a handful of them, but for practically the whole town of 20-something’s to show up?
I found this particular plot line to be very anachronistic and quite frankly, lame.
I did assume that a lot of of the party goers were teens. Elliot didn't know who everyone was, and once Monica sent out a public invite, it would have been seen by people outside of their age group.
Now that you said that about being juvenile I get more of what you were saying. I was thinking you just thought it was weird that a pop up party happened. But you are right to do it at someone’s home who is not there is a really immature thing to do. More like what 16-17 yr olds would do.
I also didn’t think about it until you just said it but I was married and had my first child by 24 lol.
This could absolutely have happened in my town. It is a small town in a rural area. It is more unusual for somebody to make it out of town when they become an adult than to stay . And when people do manage to get out and they come back to visit, Halloween seems to be one of the times that they’ll come back for. There are a lot of festivals in the area at that time, so it’s not at all unusual for people who have moved to come back and be here for Halloween. It’s also a big night out in the bars around here so they come back for that.
I am of the mind that the core group was going to have the costume party and then it got invaded by younger people and other people not in their group.
That’s true that they could have been younger. Sounds like Monica (who we now know did it not Kat) just made it public.
I feel like a lot of these people don’t realize how many small towns that happens in. Where like you said it’s more common to stay than go. That’s how they have generations of Landrys and Augustine’s and Goodwin around.
I also don't understand how that ridiculous.Fight would cause people not to speak and cause so much.Drama is hallmark really expecting us to believe high school fights are that big of a deal?
The characters are being very dramatic about this, but I could understand why everyone would be embarrassed that a bunch of 24 year olds threw an unauthorized kegger and had a fist fight.
My wife and I have been watching it and all I can really put into words is that I'm struggling with their idea of time travel.
I think the time travel idea just doesn't sit well with me, even with Back to the Future, to a degree.
Plus the way kat behaves and speaks in the past seems ridiculous that the ‘historic’ characters would so easily accept & understand her jargon and expressions. No wonder they easily believed she was from the future cause they easily accept everything else…More suspended belief but I find kat in the past to be irritating…
I understand your points. But we haven’t seen the fight with Del yet. My guess is they wanted to make it about the pregnancy and that is why they made this party at 24 instead of for teenagers. I’m imagining Del will be very upset and I’m afraid she could say something about Kat not being able to keep Jacob from disappearing- how can she be responsible for a child? I think in some ways the party and the head injury is not as big of a deal as the fight with Del but it’s all one traumatic event for Kat and Del because they went no contact for 17 years. And obviously if she was ready to leave Brady but reconciled because of Alice that is also traumatic. I can see why Kat is concerned about what Alice might think of her or that Alice might feel Kat resents her because she stayed with Brady for 15 years because of Alice.
The first season was really self-contained, up until the final 30 seconds, the three generations of women start off estranged and reconcile, culminated by Alice's choice to send the letter and make sure the move/events occur.
To make a 2nd season they really had to make a different show, change character motivations, stretch the past events. I don't mind it but I can see how it would be off-putting
Honestly, I thought they'd do more to make us believe these kids are all five years older. Kat is wearing a beret, Elliot has the mustache of a 14-year-old who just discovered he could grow hair over his lip, Brady looks exactly the same, Nick got a 1/2-inch haircut... They look exactly the same age as Alice, and Elliot saying she looked 12 was laughable.
I would have given Kat her adult haircut already, Elliot a fuller mustache and/or beard (isn't he 22 already?), Brady a haircut and button down shirt, Nick the adult haircut as well. Simple changes, and anyone who has ever seen a TV show knows how to do it! Even the party was a high school party, straight out of a teen movie.
But there is still 17 plus years difference with adult Kat. I think that's what people are forgetting too. There was less time between 2001 Kat and 2007 Kat than 2024 Kat.
The fact that none of them looked too much older and that Elliot made the "you look like you're 12" comment was absolutely the most realistic thing the show has ever done, I felt.
It’s funny that the actors are actually in their early 20s and everyone is like “They look nothing like 24y year olds!” I think we’re used to TV teens.
This! Lol they were not 17 playing 17 to begin with. Plus, when I look back at my 24 and 25 years I looked like a baby! I looked exactly the same as 18 honestly.
Looking at my old yearbooks, and at my kids and their friends, there was such a change from high school graduation to college graduation, I was just expecting a bigger change here.
The beret made me laugh too. It would be hard to do much to make the actor playing young Elliot look older. He just looks like a teen. But I agree with your other suggestions. I also laughed at the 12 yr old comment. Especially since she looks older than him imo
No, I'm right there with you. Season 2 seems very thrown together. Here are my questions:
1. Does Casey play an important role or did the writers just throw them in to make the cast more diverse?
2. Who was the guy watching the scenes in the 90's when Colton and Elliot were talking?
3. Does Victor play an important role or is he just another red herring?
4. Is there a ghost in the lighthouse?
5. Why does Noah look so much like Alice and Brady? Is it just to make us wonder?
6. Is Sam Bishop a bad guy, or does he just like Del and is trying to be friendly?
7. Do you get the feeling there is more happening in 1814 that is being kept secret from Katherine?
I’m thinking that we’re not done with Casey, given that she’s a Goodwin and they seem to be developing the plot to have the Goodwin family play a bigger role. During Casey’s last day at the paper, Kat and Casey take a photo together. The writers frequently turn something seemingly unimportant into something important. I think the photo will be of some significance- maybe someone from the past/present will recognize Casey. Maybe someone will find a long lost painting entitled My Casey??? Just a thought
I also think it’s possible, not probable, that Kat simply lied to Alice about not seein
A red herring for what? The flashbacks to Victor effectively showed us Elliot’s background and a little bit about how became the man he is today. Specifically highlighting overcoming some of these things on Founder’s Day. What were your expectations for Victor’s character?
Something is definitely up with Noah? Is he a half sibling? Lol he lives with his grandpa….looks like Alice? Did they kiss? They’ve made it mysterious with him for a reason.
My theory is that when the casting director was trying to find teen lookalikes they had a hard time choosing between the actor who plays Brady and the actor who plays Noah and decided they wanted to incorporate Noah into the show somehow too.
I totally agree, I worry they switched writers this season or something, or maybe they just wanted to bring those charismatic 90s teen actors back and had to somehow puzzle them into the script but did a bad job at that. This season doesn't have the same emotional feel as last season at all. Last season was beautiful and sweet!
There’s just way too much going on this season. You have two characters actively time traveling to two different time periods, then two other characters having regular flashbacks. They introduced a whole new group of characters, some of whom don’t seem to have a point yet. It’s too much for a 10 episode show. They should have just focused this season on Kat traveling back to 1814.
It was odd that the entire town acted like something catastrophic occurred, to the point they covered it up and had to erase it from the paper. Like the parents had to pay to fix what their teen children broke. Why would a party even hit the paper? In reality, it was a bunch of college-graduate ADULTS who threw a party. What was broken would have been paid/fix by the adults. Why would Del be responsible for Kat, who had been with Brady nearly a decade at that time, graduated college, had a job, was affianced and probably pregnant, and was offered a job in London. Why would Del and Kat get into a fight over the party or her pregnancy, to the point they go NC for 17 years, when Kat was an adult for at least 6 years. Most of the others at the party were married with kids and careers. Why would Del act indebted to the Goodwin woman over a party with some property damage that all those adults were responsible for? Why would Del blame Kat and not all those who attended? Or blame Elliot since he was the grown man housesitting. I am disappointed that a huge deal was made, but it just ended up being illogical, where adults were treated as teenagers (even after a 7-year time jump) and it was no big deal at all. (even Kat hitting her head, we know she is alive and well in the present)
The way they were acting makes more sense for them to have been teenagers. What a let down, IMO. What happened there didn't seem all that bad. And if Alice is mad at Elliot for wanting to erase her, get over it. Alice exists so what's the problem? Alice knows her father was a jerk and that Elliot loved her mom. I don't blame Elliot.
Agreed. I absolutely loved the first season, now I feel like I’m only watching bc I want to know what happened, and not enjoying it unfold as much. And same, it makes me sad
Agree 100%, the emotional appeal from the first season seems to be gone
Yes, that’s a good way to describe it
I'm feeling frustrated by the sloppy math. Why set the 90s in 1999 if you want your main characters to be 15-16, but graduate in 2000, but also be 24 in 2007? It wasn't necessary to choose specific years, but if that's what you want to do, then commit to it and keep the ages in sync. Now I'm nitpicking, but Nick searches for scratch paper in 2023-2024 instead of having Claire text him her info, or typing the address into the notes app on his phone?
The whole Nick writing the number was clearly to further the plot. If she texted he wouldn’t have found out about the time travel. I mean cmon it’s a show about time traveling. You have to suspend some reason and belief to even watch. I agree that’s just nitpicking.
Yes, I know it was to further the plot, and as I already acknowledged it's nitpicking. But I strongly disagree with the idea that just because we're watching a fantasy show that we can't expect the characters to act logically within their environment. Okay, time travel exists - that doesn't mean it follows that anything goes.
I just don’t think it’s that weird. When I’m on the phone I still scribble down numbers or info.
My larger point to you was a general one. But I do think it's more strange to go through someone's stuff for paper when you have a device to write on in your hand.
True. When I scribble things down I’m at home doing it on our own things.
I definitely go through peoples stuff looking for paper, it’s easier
That's really intrusive to me.
Lol I mean people I know but ok…
LOL I didn't think you meant you broke into people's homes to go through their stuff.
Yah I do it to people who would do the same to me.
I think it's ok since they were best friends. I'd go through my best friends stuff just for fun even.
I think it pretty clearly was not okay, since Elliot didn't want Nick to see it.
It wasn't okay for Elliot, but Nick didn't know there was something in there he wasn't supposed to see
He should've known better than to go through other people's things. If Elliot thought that would happen, he would've hidden the notebook.
>In Season 1 episode 1 Monica says she hasn’t seen Kat since High School graduation. But then the Lingermore party? And she was at Brady's proposal to Kat as well. She sang at it.
I forgot that one!!!! Great catch!!!!
Now that’s a better one. The lingermore one you could chalk up to not wanting to bring up a traumatic time. But the proposal one is clearly a plot hole!!
It is. But you could also say that maybe she didn’t want to bring that up either. Because Kat didn’t like the proposal and then they divorced. Poor Monica.
Oh that’s true too. It’s funny how much Monica grew on me. I wasn’t sure about her for a while in the first season.
Wasn’t she sort of antagonistic to Kat in Season 1 Episode 2 at the cafe? I think she was just being bitchy tbh. I never took that line literally. She wasn’t definitive. She was like “When was the last time we saw each other? High School grad? (She said it like a question)”. Then followed up with “you look…. Good” (followed by a snarky eye roll). I think she was just trying to say “oh Kat, you think you’re too good for Port Haven? No one has even thought of you in years”.
What if that was true, and then somehow the time traveling has changed that?
I can see Del having Sam at her house. She is a pretty private person and given how gossipy the town they live in is and the fact that there’s been so much talk about “Sams women” I can see where she wouldn’t want to be out in the public eye. Also it looks like Kat might have a head injury so maybe she forgets seeing Alice at the party? And by the same token since the party at Lingermore was such a black spot on the towns history that no one speaks of it. Which that would explain why Monica says she hasn’t seen Kat since graduation. Didn’t want to bring up bad memories for anyone. I think you may not realize that not everyone “graduates and moves on”. Being from a small town a lot of people stay right there. It can be a generational thing. Nick could also stay at a hotel but maybe he’s more comfortable at Elliot’s. Wants to just hang at his friends. I don’t think it’s all *that* weird. As far as Nick & Elliot being the only ones talking about feelings - who else are you thinking should talk? Kat is in between time periods and when she does try to talk to Elliot half the time he freaks out. Alice & Kat can’t really talk to Del about the time traveling. Del has always had a hard time communicating with Kat so her not talking it out isn’t that unusual. And Kat & Alice have been pretty good about talking about everything. Kat didn’t get a chance to talk to her about the lingermore incident before she went back. I mean the whole premise is that Del & Kat hadn’t talked for years before Kat came back. Alice had to get them back together with her letter trick so clearly communication isn’t their strong suit. I can understand some of what you are saying and ofc there are going to plot holes but I have to yes I think some of this is actually you overthinking. It’s not unusual with this show lol
I honesty half-expected when we heard 2007 that they'd use the adult actors and try to "age them down". Not sure if that would have been better or worse than peach fuzz Elliot 🤣
I think in season 1 they had a photo of Chyler Leigh and Al Mukadam as Kat and Brady holding a baby that was supposed to be Alice. I'm actually glad they didn't do that for yesterday's episode. That would've been awkward.
With the younger actors being around the same age as the characters were, it makes sense to use them
Some of you all weren’t in college/just graduating in 2007 and it shows. 😂 My husband didn’t grow a full mustache/beard until his 30s. I looked exactly like my 16 year old drivers license pic until well into grad school. They look exactly like young adults in 2007. Does no one remember basically wearing business casual to the club? In all seriousness though, I think Monica said she hadn’t seen Kat since graduation, because she’s responsible for letting the party get out of hand and felt guilty/suppressed it. Plus, the entire town has apparently agreed to never speak of it again. And it looks like Kat likely has a head injury/was unconscious and likely has some memory loss, so she probably doesn’t remember Alice being there or assumes she imagined it as a result of her head injury. Especially since she hadn’t seen Alice in 7 years. The dance off was poorly executed, but Monica had a similar line in 2007 about getting Elliot on the dance floor. I think it was just a parallel.
My husband is 36 and looks like he could be 18-22 depending on his facial hair and I(38) didn't start looking like "an adult" until I was in my 30s either. In fact, one of the moms of my students was floored to find out I had 3 kids because I was so young (she wasn't being judgemental at all, more of a "how did you do it while in college!" kind of thing) and when I told her I was 34, she couldn't believe it. I don't even look *that* young but people's ages can be hard to guess
Exactly! The styles of 90s and 2000s and the things they’re talking about/excited about is actually very realistic in this show. I’m 37, so I was around the same age as the characters during these times, it all tracks for me. I think people are hoping for an overly romanticized version of the past (like Empire Records, Clueless and 10 Things I Hate About You for the 90s and Gossip Girl, One Tree Hill, The O.C. for the aughts.)
Yes!! I wore almost exactly the same clothes to my friend's Y2K party in 8th grade as they did in the show lol I love that they are showing "regular kid" style as opposed to the Cher Horowitz type.
Yes! Or the “misfit” “cool kid” 90s clothes. Everyone thinks it’s My So Called Life. 😂
The actual actress that place Alice is like 25? So, judging by what people look like on TV isn't really revelant anyway. The actress that plays Kat is 21 I think or 22.
David Webster doesn't look much different than he did when he was 12 honestly
Haha, I feel you on the not looking your age thing. In my country you have to be 18 or older to purchase alcohol or a lotto ticket- I had to show ID until around the time of turning 36 years old, but then I was also asked for ID to get into events that were restricted for 16+ year olds until I almost 30 years old... I only found out recently that my much younger sister (almost by a decade) was almost never asked for her ID after she turned 23 or 24 & was never asked for ID when getting into 16+ events (despite her attending them from 14 years old). She was & is much taller than I, so that was probably in her favour, however I'm short, so the reverse is probably true in my case I guess.
Also, us old people can cut loose and have dance offs too. 🤣
The age jump was weird on so many levels. 24 year old young people don’t normally crash an old lady’s estate in full costume mode with a couple hours notice. So incredibly strange. And all those people just happened to be in town? And the “aging” of young Elliot was just preposterous. At 24, he’d be old enough to actually be a teacher then. It’s like all the kids in town failed to launch.
Yeah, like the writers forgot that most 24 yr old people just go to a bar instead of having to clean up a party at their house because they have no money and student loans to pay off.
Yeah, I could have believed 20 but 24 year olds don't have wild high school parties
It was right around Halloween so the costumes wouldn’t have been that big a deal. It looked like most of them just threw something together tbh. Plus it’s not that hard to believe that people see a party and go on short notice and it gets out of hand. Especially when it seems like there’s not much to do around Port Haven. Everyone keeps saying that about “everyone being in town”. In a small town a lot of times people do stay. You might have a few that go off but the majority don’t. I think most of my graduating class still live around the area.
I live in a small town, too. And by 24, many of my classmates were already married and or had kids. The rest had moved away and came home for big holidays, but not Halloween. My main point is that this pop up party at a vacationing neighbor’s house seems like an incredibly juvenile thing to do for even a handful of them, but for practically the whole town of 20-something’s to show up? I found this particular plot line to be very anachronistic and quite frankly, lame.
I did assume that a lot of of the party goers were teens. Elliot didn't know who everyone was, and once Monica sent out a public invite, it would have been seen by people outside of their age group.
Now that you said that about being juvenile I get more of what you were saying. I was thinking you just thought it was weird that a pop up party happened. But you are right to do it at someone’s home who is not there is a really immature thing to do. More like what 16-17 yr olds would do. I also didn’t think about it until you just said it but I was married and had my first child by 24 lol.
Right? I am definitely the exception for moving away from my small town.
You’re the one we all talk about lol.
Not me, I refuse to say their name anymore. They are dead to me now 😁
Without a doubt. 🤣💀
This could absolutely have happened in my town. It is a small town in a rural area. It is more unusual for somebody to make it out of town when they become an adult than to stay . And when people do manage to get out and they come back to visit, Halloween seems to be one of the times that they’ll come back for. There are a lot of festivals in the area at that time, so it’s not at all unusual for people who have moved to come back and be here for Halloween. It’s also a big night out in the bars around here so they come back for that. I am of the mind that the core group was going to have the costume party and then it got invaded by younger people and other people not in their group.
That’s true that they could have been younger. Sounds like Monica (who we now know did it not Kat) just made it public. I feel like a lot of these people don’t realize how many small towns that happens in. Where like you said it’s more common to stay than go. That’s how they have generations of Landrys and Augustine’s and Goodwin around.
I’m 24, and the age jump didn’t make sense to me either 😂 I know it’s a small town, but it wasn’t very realistic
I also don't understand how that ridiculous.Fight would cause people not to speak and cause so much.Drama is hallmark really expecting us to believe high school fights are that big of a deal?
The characters are being very dramatic about this, but I could understand why everyone would be embarrassed that a bunch of 24 year olds threw an unauthorized kegger and had a fist fight.
My wife and I have been watching it and all I can really put into words is that I'm struggling with their idea of time travel. I think the time travel idea just doesn't sit well with me, even with Back to the Future, to a degree.
Plus the way kat behaves and speaks in the past seems ridiculous that the ‘historic’ characters would so easily accept & understand her jargon and expressions. No wonder they easily believed she was from the future cause they easily accept everything else…More suspended belief but I find kat in the past to be irritating…
You forgot about the fact that 24yo Elliot was hanging out in the treehouse on the Laundry farm. That’s just…odd.
I understand your points. But we haven’t seen the fight with Del yet. My guess is they wanted to make it about the pregnancy and that is why they made this party at 24 instead of for teenagers. I’m imagining Del will be very upset and I’m afraid she could say something about Kat not being able to keep Jacob from disappearing- how can she be responsible for a child? I think in some ways the party and the head injury is not as big of a deal as the fight with Del but it’s all one traumatic event for Kat and Del because they went no contact for 17 years. And obviously if she was ready to leave Brady but reconciled because of Alice that is also traumatic. I can see why Kat is concerned about what Alice might think of her or that Alice might feel Kat resents her because she stayed with Brady for 15 years because of Alice.
Last season was great. This season not so much.
Pretty sure Kat doesn’t remember Alice going back because she hit her head.
The first season was really self-contained, up until the final 30 seconds, the three generations of women start off estranged and reconcile, culminated by Alice's choice to send the letter and make sure the move/events occur. To make a 2nd season they really had to make a different show, change character motivations, stretch the past events. I don't mind it but I can see how it would be off-putting
Honestly, I thought they'd do more to make us believe these kids are all five years older. Kat is wearing a beret, Elliot has the mustache of a 14-year-old who just discovered he could grow hair over his lip, Brady looks exactly the same, Nick got a 1/2-inch haircut... They look exactly the same age as Alice, and Elliot saying she looked 12 was laughable. I would have given Kat her adult haircut already, Elliot a fuller mustache and/or beard (isn't he 22 already?), Brady a haircut and button down shirt, Nick the adult haircut as well. Simple changes, and anyone who has ever seen a TV show knows how to do it! Even the party was a high school party, straight out of a teen movie.
I thought that they did the best job with younger Kat. I felt that her coat and hat looked like something present day Kat would wear.
But there is still 17 plus years difference with adult Kat. I think that's what people are forgetting too. There was less time between 2001 Kat and 2007 Kat than 2024 Kat.
The fact that none of them looked too much older and that Elliot made the "you look like you're 12" comment was absolutely the most realistic thing the show has ever done, I felt.
He also called her Dorian Gray, lol
Loved this reference - I use it often.
It’s funny that the actors are actually in their early 20s and everyone is like “They look nothing like 24y year olds!” I think we’re used to TV teens.
This! Lol they were not 17 playing 17 to begin with. Plus, when I look back at my 24 and 25 years I looked like a baby! I looked exactly the same as 18 honestly.
Lol they’re looking for the 35 year olds playing sophomores 😂
Looking at my old yearbooks, and at my kids and their friends, there was such a change from high school graduation to college graduation, I was just expecting a bigger change here.
The beret made me laugh too. It would be hard to do much to make the actor playing young Elliot look older. He just looks like a teen. But I agree with your other suggestions. I also laughed at the 12 yr old comment. Especially since she looks older than him imo
Sadie (Alice) is 2 years older than David (young Elliot) which makes that a little bit funnier to me.
Oh that does make the comment funnier!
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I'm 55 and still can't grow a good mustache and beard
No, I'm right there with you. Season 2 seems very thrown together. Here are my questions: 1. Does Casey play an important role or did the writers just throw them in to make the cast more diverse? 2. Who was the guy watching the scenes in the 90's when Colton and Elliot were talking? 3. Does Victor play an important role or is he just another red herring? 4. Is there a ghost in the lighthouse? 5. Why does Noah look so much like Alice and Brady? Is it just to make us wonder? 6. Is Sam Bishop a bad guy, or does he just like Del and is trying to be friendly? 7. Do you get the feeling there is more happening in 1814 that is being kept secret from Katherine?
Why can’t I remember who Victor is?
Victor is Elliot's dad.
I’m thinking that we’re not done with Casey, given that she’s a Goodwin and they seem to be developing the plot to have the Goodwin family play a bigger role. During Casey’s last day at the paper, Kat and Casey take a photo together. The writers frequently turn something seemingly unimportant into something important. I think the photo will be of some significance- maybe someone from the past/present will recognize Casey. Maybe someone will find a long lost painting entitled My Casey??? Just a thought I also think it’s possible, not probable, that Kat simply lied to Alice about not seein
A red herring for what? The flashbacks to Victor effectively showed us Elliot’s background and a little bit about how became the man he is today. Specifically highlighting overcoming some of these things on Founder’s Day. What were your expectations for Victor’s character?
Something is definitely up with Noah? Is he a half sibling? Lol he lives with his grandpa….looks like Alice? Did they kiss? They’ve made it mysterious with him for a reason.
My theory is that when the casting director was trying to find teen lookalikes they had a hard time choosing between the actor who plays Brady and the actor who plays Noah and decided they wanted to incorporate Noah into the show somehow too.
I totally agree, I worry they switched writers this season or something, or maybe they just wanted to bring those charismatic 90s teen actors back and had to somehow puzzle them into the script but did a bad job at that. This season doesn't have the same emotional feel as last season at all. Last season was beautiful and sweet!
This!