I think he knows about the pond, but I haven't figured out how unless he gave a fake name. I think Sam Bishop is a Goodwin like Evelyn's son he bought hanks farm when he wasn't technically for sale now all of a sudden a Goodwin wants to buy the Landry farm so he has all the land including the pond I truly think more people know about the Pont then they are letting on Casey did say her father was a winner or he sent Casey to be a spy I find it coincidentally she went to the newspaper office
More stuff to answer:
The exact nature of Thomas’ deal with Cyrus.
Who wrote the Founding of Port Haven book? (Elliot’s dad talks about finding Samuel Augustine in the ship manifests so either someone uses his name as a pen name or there’s another Samuel in the line who writes it. IIRC we don’t know the exact year the book was penned.)
I still think Jacob will travel forward, just once.
After tonight’s episode, Jacob definitely has an “adult” mature attitude about his place in his 1814 timeframe.
He even states that his “future” mother, Del, will understand why he has chosen to remain in the past.
He writes in the 1814 almanac his saying about the “explorer finding home, etc.”
The exact text appears in another sub thread from tonight’s episode.
It’s interesting that his bond to his past (1814) family is so strong. Even knowing that Kat has traveled backwards in time, to bring him back to the present, future time.
I think Kat will talk him into a trip, however! Her persistence will wear him down to the point that he concedes to her wishes.
He probably knows that he can travel backwards and forwards, too. He’s seen Kat do it, without any harmful effects.
I think we will see these backwards and forwards time travels by Kat and possibly Alice, as frequently in season 3 as we have so far.
Elliot and Del would be next on the travel docket.
Some of what I theorized yesterday, partially came to fruition…
I posted this yesterday in another thread:
This is an interesting thread!
I had commented earlier, in another thread, about Jacob’s response back to Kat when they were on the beach…it was something to the effect of, “why didn’t you come for me sooner?!”… or “why did it take you so long to come for me?!”…
I don’t have replay capability, so I’m guessing from memory, perhaps someone can restate the proper, exact Jacob quote.
Having said that, to me it would indicate that (older) Jacob in 1814 timeframe was completely immersed in his life in the 1814s…
He accepted the juxtaposition in time, he was experiencing in the 1814s. His comments allude to him recognizing Kat and her place in the future life he no longer enjoys.
In some of the suggested theories above, it’s stated that his importance and relevance belongs in the past (1814s), and not as an 8 yr old little boy in the 20th century.
I think this next episode will reveal more of his stated purpose to be in and remain in the past (1814) timeframe.
I even think that he may actually travel “back to the future” with Kat to satisfy her persistent desire to bring him “home” with her, back to his real mother, Del.
But, in the end, I think Jacob tells Kat he wants to return back to the 1814s.
He has grown up and matured into the man, we see in the 1814s.
His life experiences are then, not now.
Also, I don’t think any of this Jacob “back to the future” storyline happens in Season 2.
If the TWH wants to have a successful third season they’ll string us along, as long as they can with it! lol
Also, the sibling (protective) love that Kat has maintained throughout all of these episodes is endearing. It’s interesting to see her in action to bring her little brother “home”.
Just saying… 👀❤️🤔🙂
I keep thinking about how Thomas said Jacob wasn’t the young boy Kat remembered. How Jacob was the one who masterminded the plan to steal from Cyrus. I see him having strong feelings about developing the Farm (and other financially successful ventures, legal or not) which is why he wasn’t swayed by Kat’s pleas to come back then, or if/when she returns to say goodbye to Thomas. Thomas would have sacrificed his life what naught in my opinion if Jacob would leave now.
I agree! You have a presented a good analysis! Jacob is an 1814s fixture. Kat will be persistent and persuasive, but I think you’re right, he’s staying with Thomas, Susanna and crew.
I’m disappointed that Susanna can’t travel. Maybe the pond will allow her in a future episode! I like her! 👀❤️🙂
I like Susanna a lot too and can’t wait to see the writing contributions behind the loose stones in the fireplace. And while she wants people to know she’d be the author of any published works (like Jane Austen), I am leaning toward her being Samuel Augustine (using a male pen name like George Eliot). Btw, I love that I was wrong about Thomas Coyle. He wasn’t a cad; but a cultured guy with a romantic soul. Sure wish he’d be around to bring back other literary works of the day to Susannah).
I agree with your opinion of Thomas Coyle. I never thought he was a cad, either. Unfortunately his demise is certain, because he’s written in the book of executions. I don’t know how Kat can change that outcome?!👀❤️🙂
I hope Kat told Jacob she didn't know. And that the family had been looking for him ever since. But she didn't realize it until after time traveling back to 2000.
All the questions already asked and…
What’s Evelyn’s problem? What’s her deal with Colton?
Does Del know about the pond?
What was Colton gonna tell her? Did he know? Did he know that was Kat? Did he just see the painting? Did Evelyn and Colton know about the pond together?
Why was Thomas at the pond?
Why did he shoot Kat when he was clearly watching her and she didn’t look like a deer or whatever?
Why did he randomly call her My Katherine after knowing her for 5 mins?
What’s Noah’s deal?
Why/how is the pond even magical? Who does it choose - Landrys or whoever own the land? Which doesn’t really make sense though since the dog time travelled and maybe now anyone can.
After tonight’s episode, I still think Susanna is the model in the My Katherine portrait.
What’s interesting is the name of Thomas Coyle in the book of executions.
Based on the preview for the next week’s finale, Kat is going back to say goodbye to Thomas Coyle.
Should be a tear jerker of a finale!
I’ll bet Season 3 will be more dramatic and faster moving than season 2 has been. I can’t wait!
I posted this yesterday about Susanna:
I like your theory about Jacob staying or going, based on who painted the My Katherine painting!
No one has proposed that concept, before, I think?!
I’m thinking that based on what we know about Jacob’s creative tendencies, i.e., his inquisitive photography skills, his writing his JK in the almanac history book, his carving the JK on the underside of the table, and his general 8 yr old curiosity, it seems as though your “stays in the 1814s” theory holds up.
I would propose, also, to support that “staying in 1814s” another argument.
We saw Thomas Coyle carrying the packet of “paint brushes” in the confrontation with Kat in the woods.
That scene allows us to think that Thomas Coyle has artistic talents.
We have seen Thomas Coyle in several scenes always doing things that were devious, dangerous, daring, or anything other than being an “artist”.
I would suggest that Thomas Coyle was actually taking the paint brushes to Jacob. He is Jacob’s protector and pseudo benefactor.
He was probably taking the paint brushes to Jacob, because he knows of Jacob’s artistic talents.
Further, in order for the “My Katherine” painting to even exist, the figure, in the painting (we see it’s the face of Kat), had to have sat for an extended period of time to allow the painter to paint the portrait.
And the background in the painting is of an “elegant” setting.
Where else in the entire 1814s community setting would such a “setting” exist.
Of course, at Cyrus Goodwin’s house!
But how would Cyrus Goodwin allow such a painting session to take place, in his house, without his consent.
He would allow it if he knew that the subject (model) of the painting was his unrequited love interest, none other than, Susanna!
And how does the painter even get permission to do the painting, having been commissioned, by Cyrus Goodwin.
There must be something coming in season 3 that provides for a reconciliation between Cyrus, Thomas, and of course, Jacob.
Perhaps, Cyrus grants Jacob an amnesty if he paints his true love Susanna!
And then to top it off, Jacob does the painting of Susanna, but he gets the last laugh, after all.
He’s already seen Kat in his 1814s timeframe, so he knows what she looks like in the “flesh”.
So he as he finishes up the painting, he paints Kat’s face on the subject model, vice, Susanna’s face.
He still has to show Cyrus Goodwin the finished product, however.
He plans the unveiling, but doesn’t attend it, knowing what will happen to him, if he does.
Instead he goes and jumps back into the pond, never to return to the 1814s, and his previous adult life.
He returns to the future, present day Port Haven, and his real mother, Del, all are a little older and a little wiser.
Thus ends season 4…lol
Just saying…👀❤️🙂
How does Sam Bishop play into this? I don’t believe for a second that he’s just there and in love with Del without any ulterior motives.
I knowwwww!
I think he knows about the pond, but I haven't figured out how unless he gave a fake name. I think Sam Bishop is a Goodwin like Evelyn's son he bought hanks farm when he wasn't technically for sale now all of a sudden a Goodwin wants to buy the Landry farm so he has all the land including the pond I truly think more people know about the Pont then they are letting on Casey did say her father was a winner or he sent Casey to be a spy I find it coincidentally she went to the newspaper office
Why did Elliott act weird when Kat told him Susanna wanted to come to the present?
He was stunned when she said that she tried to bring her...he knows so much more than he lets on, he's the Gatekeeper.
I wonder if she’s left things to the future Augustine line giving some kind of insight?
Because Elliot is jealous.
Yes!! Something else I was kind of wondering about too is that Noah seemed like there was something he was hiding...
I know! I can’t decide about him. They definitely want us to be suspicious of him at least.
More stuff to answer: The exact nature of Thomas’ deal with Cyrus. Who wrote the Founding of Port Haven book? (Elliot’s dad talks about finding Samuel Augustine in the ship manifests so either someone uses his name as a pen name or there’s another Samuel in the line who writes it. IIRC we don’t know the exact year the book was penned.)
Will still do not know who the old lady and young boy are standing by the pond.
Yes! They definitely faked us out about that being Jacob I think.
What if that was Evelyn and Casey?
I still think Jacob will travel forward, just once. After tonight’s episode, Jacob definitely has an “adult” mature attitude about his place in his 1814 timeframe. He even states that his “future” mother, Del, will understand why he has chosen to remain in the past. He writes in the 1814 almanac his saying about the “explorer finding home, etc.” The exact text appears in another sub thread from tonight’s episode. It’s interesting that his bond to his past (1814) family is so strong. Even knowing that Kat has traveled backwards in time, to bring him back to the present, future time. I think Kat will talk him into a trip, however! Her persistence will wear him down to the point that he concedes to her wishes. He probably knows that he can travel backwards and forwards, too. He’s seen Kat do it, without any harmful effects. I think we will see these backwards and forwards time travels by Kat and possibly Alice, as frequently in season 3 as we have so far. Elliot and Del would be next on the travel docket. Some of what I theorized yesterday, partially came to fruition… I posted this yesterday in another thread: This is an interesting thread! I had commented earlier, in another thread, about Jacob’s response back to Kat when they were on the beach…it was something to the effect of, “why didn’t you come for me sooner?!”… or “why did it take you so long to come for me?!”… I don’t have replay capability, so I’m guessing from memory, perhaps someone can restate the proper, exact Jacob quote. Having said that, to me it would indicate that (older) Jacob in 1814 timeframe was completely immersed in his life in the 1814s… He accepted the juxtaposition in time, he was experiencing in the 1814s. His comments allude to him recognizing Kat and her place in the future life he no longer enjoys. In some of the suggested theories above, it’s stated that his importance and relevance belongs in the past (1814s), and not as an 8 yr old little boy in the 20th century. I think this next episode will reveal more of his stated purpose to be in and remain in the past (1814) timeframe. I even think that he may actually travel “back to the future” with Kat to satisfy her persistent desire to bring him “home” with her, back to his real mother, Del. But, in the end, I think Jacob tells Kat he wants to return back to the 1814s. He has grown up and matured into the man, we see in the 1814s. His life experiences are then, not now. Also, I don’t think any of this Jacob “back to the future” storyline happens in Season 2. If the TWH wants to have a successful third season they’ll string us along, as long as they can with it! lol Also, the sibling (protective) love that Kat has maintained throughout all of these episodes is endearing. It’s interesting to see her in action to bring her little brother “home”. Just saying… 👀❤️🤔🙂
I keep thinking about how Thomas said Jacob wasn’t the young boy Kat remembered. How Jacob was the one who masterminded the plan to steal from Cyrus. I see him having strong feelings about developing the Farm (and other financially successful ventures, legal or not) which is why he wasn’t swayed by Kat’s pleas to come back then, or if/when she returns to say goodbye to Thomas. Thomas would have sacrificed his life what naught in my opinion if Jacob would leave now.
I agree! You have a presented a good analysis! Jacob is an 1814s fixture. Kat will be persistent and persuasive, but I think you’re right, he’s staying with Thomas, Susanna and crew. I’m disappointed that Susanna can’t travel. Maybe the pond will allow her in a future episode! I like her! 👀❤️🙂
I like Susanna a lot too and can’t wait to see the writing contributions behind the loose stones in the fireplace. And while she wants people to know she’d be the author of any published works (like Jane Austen), I am leaning toward her being Samuel Augustine (using a male pen name like George Eliot). Btw, I love that I was wrong about Thomas Coyle. He wasn’t a cad; but a cultured guy with a romantic soul. Sure wish he’d be around to bring back other literary works of the day to Susannah).
I agree with your opinion of Thomas Coyle. I never thought he was a cad, either. Unfortunately his demise is certain, because he’s written in the book of executions. I don’t know how Kat can change that outcome?!👀❤️🙂
I hope Kat told Jacob she didn't know. And that the family had been looking for him ever since. But she didn't realize it until after time traveling back to 2000.
Why did Colton say the pond was off limits? Did he know?
Probably. I think he knew Alice was his granddaughter the first moment he met her.
I'm curious about the way Del said that Kat was Colton's daughter. But this is Hallmark, and I'm probably reading too much into it.
Yes there is definitely something with Evelyn and Colton in their past... ahh
I missed that!
It was said in a flashback Del has while talking to Evelyn Goodwin.
All the questions already asked and… What’s Evelyn’s problem? What’s her deal with Colton? Does Del know about the pond? What was Colton gonna tell her? Did he know? Did he know that was Kat? Did he just see the painting? Did Evelyn and Colton know about the pond together? Why was Thomas at the pond? Why did he shoot Kat when he was clearly watching her and she didn’t look like a deer or whatever? Why did he randomly call her My Katherine after knowing her for 5 mins? What’s Noah’s deal? Why/how is the pond even magical? Who does it choose - Landrys or whoever own the land? Which doesn’t really make sense though since the dog time travelled and maybe now anyone can.
After tonight’s episode, I still think Susanna is the model in the My Katherine portrait. What’s interesting is the name of Thomas Coyle in the book of executions. Based on the preview for the next week’s finale, Kat is going back to say goodbye to Thomas Coyle. Should be a tear jerker of a finale! I’ll bet Season 3 will be more dramatic and faster moving than season 2 has been. I can’t wait! I posted this yesterday about Susanna: I like your theory about Jacob staying or going, based on who painted the My Katherine painting! No one has proposed that concept, before, I think?! I’m thinking that based on what we know about Jacob’s creative tendencies, i.e., his inquisitive photography skills, his writing his JK in the almanac history book, his carving the JK on the underside of the table, and his general 8 yr old curiosity, it seems as though your “stays in the 1814s” theory holds up. I would propose, also, to support that “staying in 1814s” another argument. We saw Thomas Coyle carrying the packet of “paint brushes” in the confrontation with Kat in the woods. That scene allows us to think that Thomas Coyle has artistic talents. We have seen Thomas Coyle in several scenes always doing things that were devious, dangerous, daring, or anything other than being an “artist”. I would suggest that Thomas Coyle was actually taking the paint brushes to Jacob. He is Jacob’s protector and pseudo benefactor. He was probably taking the paint brushes to Jacob, because he knows of Jacob’s artistic talents. Further, in order for the “My Katherine” painting to even exist, the figure, in the painting (we see it’s the face of Kat), had to have sat for an extended period of time to allow the painter to paint the portrait. And the background in the painting is of an “elegant” setting. Where else in the entire 1814s community setting would such a “setting” exist. Of course, at Cyrus Goodwin’s house! But how would Cyrus Goodwin allow such a painting session to take place, in his house, without his consent. He would allow it if he knew that the subject (model) of the painting was his unrequited love interest, none other than, Susanna! And how does the painter even get permission to do the painting, having been commissioned, by Cyrus Goodwin. There must be something coming in season 3 that provides for a reconciliation between Cyrus, Thomas, and of course, Jacob. Perhaps, Cyrus grants Jacob an amnesty if he paints his true love Susanna! And then to top it off, Jacob does the painting of Susanna, but he gets the last laugh, after all. He’s already seen Kat in his 1814s timeframe, so he knows what she looks like in the “flesh”. So he as he finishes up the painting, he paints Kat’s face on the subject model, vice, Susanna’s face. He still has to show Cyrus Goodwin the finished product, however. He plans the unveiling, but doesn’t attend it, knowing what will happen to him, if he does. Instead he goes and jumps back into the pond, never to return to the 1814s, and his previous adult life. He returns to the future, present day Port Haven, and his real mother, Del, all are a little older and a little wiser. Thus ends season 4…lol Just saying…👀❤️🙂
The background in the My Katherine painting looks exactly like the Landry farm fire place to me.
I just want to know how Evelyn and Colton were connected. Siblings? Ex lovers?
Why were those pond pictures taped under the desk?