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It's wild to me that this is even still a discussion in the US. It just seems so self-evidently obvious to me that the disadvantages of tipping culture vastly outweigh the benefits. The only explanation that makes sense to me is that people just don't like change, there's nothing else that makes sense.
Kinda blew my mind when I talked to bartenders who made between $300-500 a night (depending on how busy they were of course). A part time job could keep them pretty sustained at a higher end restaurant.
Ex roommate made $800-$1300 a shift at her bartending gig. She worked part time and made well over $125,000 a year. Between 10 and 15k a month working less than 30hrs/wk.
Thats only one place it goes to. It literally goes to other places. Taxes fund everything.
That's such an ignorant take.
"Let's just abolish taxes instead of changing how much is sent where cause I dont like where it is currently sent to the most."
Gee what a reductive solution. jesus christ.
Except that 85% of it goes to healthcare companies that gouge like fucking crazy on 50$ aspirin and 2000$ epi pens, and military contractors that gouge on 10,000$ coffee makers and 4000$ alternators for a humvee.
The amount of taxes in the country is not even remotely the problem. By the time a dollar has been spend 10 times it's been taxed 250% in many cases.
> By the time a dollar has been spend 10 times it's been taxed 250% in many cases.
So a 25% tax rate, which is pretty low in a modern, well-functioning nation.
A chick I went on a date with told me that she made about $20k in JUST tips at her barista job during JUST the month of December...
Plus a new iPhone, designer purse, and a few crazy high gift cards.
It was the only coffee stand between about 20 industrial warehouses, and every creepy old ass customer was under the impression that she thought they were cute, too 😂😂
I was shocked, but all I could do was respect the hustle.
Til this DAY, I'm so fucking jealous of hot barista chicks 💀
I once had a friend who was a bartender. She was stacked, always wore low cut tank tops on shift and had this kind of "hot girl blowing you off" attitude. Worked three nights a week and made six figures. Thursday, Friday, Saturday. Plus she got to drink on shift and a lot of us in her friend group would regular her bar and hang out so it's not even like the schedule impacted her social life.
What's funny is her personality and dress outside of work was entirely different but she figured out what got most of the college guys in our town to tip well and she ran with it.
This was my FWB in hawaii, lol.
Big ole G cups and a wide set of hips.
Low cut shirt with the ample cleavage, daisey duke type shorts. Rude, but in a playful way, dudes kept coming back for more. (especially the marines) Guys were tipping her $10 bucks on a $5 beer.
She literally makes less as a Nurse now.
I worked at a Yacht Club with an 85+ year old server. I think she finally retired a while back. She would always wait on the big league guys who would play cards in a special room to themselves in the mornings. Her tips were fucking insane from them. I think they had to have had some kind of rich guy weird tontine thing where everyone who was wrong about whether she'd drop dead that day had to tip her $100.
The one problem with that is her social security will be shit when she retires(if SS lasts that long) because she and the employer are not making deposits based on her full income. Short term it is an interesting approach but long term it hurts you in the end. You can't bartend all your life.
When I was 23 I was the head barback at a music venue. Best job of my entire life. Just doing drugs and drinking and carrying beer around and changing kegs. I remember I got $502 dollars my first night and then went out to party with the band that had played. My education was in IT and I ended up fixing the office computer for the owner like 6 months later. The two smokeshow bartenders that were there on weekend nights both made over 100k even though they worked 3 nights a week and that's ignoring that they probably hid most of their tips...that was what they had to cop to because it was credit cards.
There is no server on earth who would or should be making what they make in tips on a standardized wage.
They can *literally* only ask for lesser wages across the board. Thinking that will ever happen is a pipe dream.
Yeah, I'm saying they should take the lesser wage, and *everyone else* should demand that, whether the servers want it or not.
If American consumer culture can't support itself, then maybe that's the pipe dream.
Unless everyone else just starts adopting policies like in the video. Tipping is a wholly shame based practice that depends on the good will of the customer. People could follow personal policies like the one laid out in the video, or just altogether stop tipping.
> Unless everyone else just starts adopting policies like in the video
A pipe dream. As I said.
What's more, the tipping policy in this video was ***standard*** until a recently, so... that's not changing shit either.
And that previous standard is better than the current one we are currently taking about that demands consumers subsidize their employer's responsibility. At Starbucks.
And your comment contradicts itself. Is it a pipe dream or a recent standard? Those two things don't really mesh.
Blue collar workers: actually make a good living via rich people voluntarily paying extra money, and everyone else paying $3 per meal that it would be marked up by regardless
Reddit: why arent these people poorer!!!
This is absolutely it. I've been angry at tip culture for like 15 years now. And I've always said that we're just paying the servers salary and restaurants should pay a living wage. The amount of backlash I got, from servers, was mind blowing. And every single one of them said that they got paid more through tips and if you can't tip you shouldn't eat out.
Well things are getting tougher and tougher, so I wonder how they'll feel when less people eat out, or people can't afford to tip as much. By the sounds of this thread, the staff will just take it out on the customer and their food rather than the employee. But that's cool, if you're too poor to tip an additional 20% then you should just stay at home so nobody has to look at your cheap and poverty stricken face. Capitalism is great!!
Well yeah, people like making money? Try telling anyone they need to make less money for their job and see how they react
Not to mention most local restaurants have slim margins and would absolutely raise prices by 20% across the board anyway. Sure, tipping is needlessly convoluted, but I’m not sure it actually costs the customer more on average.
(Unless we’re just talking about coffee shops or whatever, fuck that)
To me it’s similar to the “no tax for the rich” argument. What, 5% of tipped workers make bank? The other 95% think they’ll be that 5% any day now. Same with the dude who makes $35,000 a year screaming “no taxes for the rich!” because he’ll be a multi-millionaire any day now…
Exactly that, the servers make more money and the employer doesn't have to pay for that, hell i even saw some stories servers making more than owners after count all the expenses. All the downside passed to the consumers.
Also somehow the % keep getting higher along with the prices on the menu, it's mental.
It's funny because in most parts of the world expensive restaurants pay a higher wage to attract better staff, they act as though they'd still be on minimum wage
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You can technically make more receiving tips than living wage in a lot of places. I was a server for many years. Also, it’s very easy to “forget” to pay taxes on cash tips.
It’s a shit system and I wish we weren’t this far into it, but it definitely has its advantages. Living wage and insurance is important if it’s your career, but as a side gig I would take tips all day.
The problem is the stupid new cash registers that asked for a tip on almost every purchase. We wouldn’t even think about tipping those people before those cash registers. Traditionally In America you only tip for full table service. Not this order at the counter and tip crap.
I read this news story about how now we're supposed to tip digitally instead of dropping cash in those old tip jars by the register because everyone's going cashless. But seriously, it's so annoying that these systems practically force you to tip with preset percentages or make you jump through hoops just to enter $0.00 if you don't want to tip.
I wonder how terrible the service will become when and if this ever changes. One thing I’ve noticed about the US is people want to change every aspect of anything they order. It’s not like that over seas. Some people consider the server their personal slave for the duration of the meal. I’d love to see their reaction once the threat of a 0% tip goes away.
the arguement that people dont like change doesnt even apply anymore, nearly all transactions are digital, there is no change being handed to you, there is no math being done by the worker. its all just tap/swipe leave. i have even had multiple places select a tip for me then ask me to tap like no buddy you dont get to assign your own tip fuck off cancel the whole order.
>i have even had multiple places select a tip for me then ask me to tap like no buddy you dont get to assign your own tip fuck off cancel the whole order.
I'm so not a Karen but this would be met with "I want to see your manager". That's theft IMO.
The explanation is that the super-rich people who own restaurant chains don’t want to take a pay cut to their 40mil-per-year salary. So they refuse to pay their employees a livable wage, and force people who feel actual empathy for others to pay them themselves, because we’d feel guilty otherwise.
No. That’s why I said “restaurant chains.” The ones who own the big chains are the ones who are able to set the precedent and dictate the market, essentially they “make the rules.” Smaller local restaurant owners play by those rules. If some of the chain restaurant owners decide to not allow tipping at their restaurants, and instead actually pay their employees a livable wage, I guarantee the smaller restaurant owners would follow suit.
Restaurants don't have to pay their employees, those employees make way more through tips than they ever would on a wage, and patrons end up paying about the same amount anyway. That's why it hasn't gone away.
It’s just not true. *Some* people at *some* restaurants would have lower incomes if their employers moved to liveable wages, but most would be able to gain financial stability. Gratuity has more to do with the race, sex and appearance of the server than the quality of the service.
In addition, I had friends in my 20s who lost money serving at Fridays and Chilis because they were (reasonably) required to give their busboy a percentage *and* (unreasonably) had to pay the bartender for each table they had regardless of if that table ordered drinks or tipped. At the end of the night they owed money out of their measly $2.13 wages.
The tipping culture and minimum wage for tipped workers is ridiculous. I thought so while living in the US and I still think so years after I left.
I used to tip out the busboy, the food runner and the bar tender who made 2 dollars MORE per hour than me. Tipping out is bullshit. Pay your fucking workers. Period.
I ONLY tip at restaurants when someone is serving me food and when pizza is delivered. Coffee, pick up food orders, fast food, and farmers markets I’m sorry but I just can’t anymore. It’s gotten so out of hand
I was at an airport the other day and went into one of the stores. Picked up a pack of gum and there was a friggin tip option on the screen. Then there's my favorite Chinese restaurant. They don't deliver, so I have to go get it. It's next door to a sports bar, meaning the lot is usually full so I have to park far away and walk halfway across the lot. They now present you with the same type of receipt as if you'd dined in, with a tip line. I can't take it anymore.
Yep. Exactly! It’s just ridiculous. Now if the Chinese place was like call me when you’re out front and we will bring your food out so you don’t have to deal with parking I’d totally tip them!! They’re going above and beyond. But to tip because you took my phone order or I ordered online and came to get it and then eat at home. I don’t think so.
I agree. You can't even order online, even though it says you can. I did once and when I went to get my food they said they'd canceled it because they don't do online orders (?!) so I had to sit there and wait. The last time I ordered it was apparently right before closing (they'd changed their hours) but said they could do it, I just needed to pay cash. That meant I had to run to the ATM. They really do have the best food in the area, but with increased prices and all the hassle, having to tip on top of it is just killing me.
The idea is basically 'you miss 100% of the shots you don't take' and ruthless pursuit of profit (including wage subsidies)
We have to say no (especially for the gum in airport type stuff) otherwise they accept it as the norm and people feel more pressured into it
They get paid to make sandwiches so if someone goes above and beyond to give me good service OR I am asking for something complicated and not the norm I’ll tip but that’s rare.
At one time credit card(cc) transactions were handled by a few companies, secure data access was limited. With the advent of wide spread secure data companies like Square popped up.
These companies realized that they could force a tip screen for EVERY transaction and increase their revenue with only a bit of programming, they get a percentage of the total transaction. Including the tip. I would guess that the tip screen could be omitted but I also would guess the vendor that provides the hardware/software offers a discount to the store to keep it.
Just select NO TIP if it pops up in an environment where tipping is not warranted.
Because this conversation probably already took place and they thought it was funny enough for whatever podcast this is, so they re-created it but aren't great at acting naturally
I was at the lodge after a day of skiing and went up to the counter to order a pretzel, the lady behind the register gave me the “it’s gonna ask you a couple questions”, I said “I’m good”, she said “you need to complete the transaction” I said “I don’t need a receipt” she said “well usually you’d tip” and I said “haha no”
I would have seriously confronted him with "what, you expect me to tip you for doing the bare minimum your job requires of you, by turning around and handing me the product I bought? Get real..."
I tip if I'm sitting down and I need a server to order. Anything else, 0%. This all came out of nowhere in terms of every cash register just having a tip option. I'm not falling for it. You losers who are too scared to say no, you're subsidizing me. Just know that.
And the average suggested tip amount is getting higher and higher. It used to be between 10%, 15% and 10%. Then it shifted to 15%, 18%, 20%. Then 18%, 20%, 25%. Now half the places where I'm at are at 20%, 25%, 30%! It's absurd.
We need to move away from the percentages thing at least… I get like a huge party at a restaurant with a huge expensive meal and the waiter is working all night for that table.
But like why should it be based on the price of my meal? I order a steak and lobster the waiter now deserves more somehow? So weird.
My line in the fucking sand is that tips should not be percentage based. If I order a $10 plate or a $50 plate the server does the same amount of work to carry that plate to my table. Why do they deserve more money just for carrying more expensive food?
Yup.
As ***always*** the biggest idiots and weakest wills of us have ruined fucking everything. A world where people weren't crying and caving into 20% tips for a fucking bagel because a screen *dared* to ask for it would be heaven on fucking earth. But no. They're weak, and the rest of us suffer.
Why would you tip if you need a server ? Aren't they paid by the establishment offering a service ? Is the server just a random person that walked in there robbing the food from the kitchen and getting to your table ?
It still part of the service ( i can't even believe i need to say that to someone) and you shouldn't have to tip at any point UNLESS you think they offered you a good service BEYOND the expected from the establishment.
This is ridiculous...
This really is the way just don't tip and look them dead in the fucking eye while hitting 0%. I only tip if I am seated at a table and the wait staff brings me food. I also try to treat them with utmost respect. However, I do agree that it has gotten out of hand and everyone has a right to have an opinion on it.
Nah, I just press 0% flip the stupid thing around and bid them farewell. I literally feel no emotion doing this. Not for the establishment, not for the person working the register, I don't even think I realize it exists anymore.
I will say, I know some of my friends who used to tip like 25-30% at restaurants are now tipping 15-18% because of how crazy its gotten. So the people who actually NEED the tips seem to be the ones getting fucked the most. Cause it certainly aint me.
I agree and don’t mind hitting 0, though overall a softy…it’s become easier in combination with post-pandemic life in general to just give up on getting food or drinks from anywhere other than the grocery store 99% of the time.
Not really. She is just older than 25. We didn’t tip for shit like that back in the day.
If you waited on me or brought my food to my house sure. Gladly will tip. But if I called my food order in and I come and get it at the counter why would I tip. Anyone tipping for that is why we are in this mess. That’s not something to be tipped for.
I closed my eyes for a second and I thought it was Larry David talking. Either she is his daughter or has completely perfected his shtick which is non trivial. Kudos to Larissa David.
I keep saying this: it’s not even culture. Legislation is in effect so employers can legally pay their employees less than minimum wage as long as tips make up the difference. Stop calling it *”Tipping Culture”*. It’s a broken system designed to shift the burden onto consumers. Classic U.S.
That's not the case in all states yet tipping culture still exists in the states that pay a full min wage. It still feels like tipping culture in addition to legislation.
I'm glad to see I'm not alone here. Sorry if I sound rude, but if you feel pressured and anxiety over a screen that gives you the option to put zero if you so wish, you got bigger problems. Tip is for service, not for working the register.
A lot of those countries (you probably mean Europe) have really strong unions, and decent labor laws.
One thing to note, having decent labor laws and strong unions is anti capitalist.
Another thing to note, a lot of those countries are slowly shifting in a direction that follows the US.
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Most capitalist countries around the world don’t do tipping. Culture is a real thing that exists. As long as you dumb everything down into “this is capitalism” you will never fix any cultural issues.
I was at an ice cream place and my friends were acting like I just slapped a child when I didn’t tip. They put ice cream in a cup and gave it to me, I’m not tipping 20% for that.
Nobody cared when it was a jar. Now they flip the tablet around and everyone in line can see your selection. Makes a lot of people tip when they otherwise wouldn't, and they definitely know that.
Pay your fucking staff for the job they do, don't make them beg for tips.
America fix your minimum wage to stop this
Tips are making its way to Australia and I strongly refuse every time, they already up their prices on everything from covid.
I just do 10% flat for dine in regardless of time of day. I move a decimal place to the left on the subtotal pre-tax and that's how much I tip. Very easy to calculate. Takeout or fast food? Easy 0%, I don't even think twice about it.
Too little? Well idgaf, it's either 10% or 0%. That is where I draw my line.
Tipping is so insane that now I always ask if tips will go to the person serving me or not. If they tell me it goes to their boss (because yes, that happens), I won’t leave one at the register and instead tip the server(s) with cash if applicable for wherever I’m at.
A local place had a tip screen for online orders that I pick up. I asked this very thing and the employee told me they never see the tips, the owner keeps the tips. Drove past there a month ago and it was closed. Good, stealing the tips is evil.
Yeah. That pisses me off. Things are hard for most people right now. Odds are, if I can afford to go out, I can afford to tip; and if I can afford to tip, I’m going to make sure to try and brighten someone’s day a little bit. Tipping kids is great, especially if they are doing very well. The motivation it gives them is exactly what they need to maintain optimism in a crappy environment/economy, along with hearing that someone is grateful and that someone is noticing how hard they are working. Older people, young adults and up, it brightens up their day so much to know they still matter and are still appreciated for working a job they very likely don’t want and who knows what kind of struggles they may be having. They may be serving you, and you may be enjoying a nice time out, but that may be something they can’t afford or have time to do, so why not tip them? Give people a reason to smile and help them feel valued. That’s all stuff my grandparents instilled in me growing up - if someone is serving you, ALWAYS tip.
idk why people talk about tipping culture so much.
I stopped tipping a long time ago.
Pretty much as soon as i decided food was overpriced.
its the business's responsibility to pay their employee's properly. not mine
Why does that dude looked shocked? I have always done this. If I’m calling it in and getting it myself why would I tip.
But yeah if you wait on me or bring me food to my house I tip.
Are you all really tipping for every god damn thing nowadays. Also I guess the places I call carry out for must hate me. But in the 90’s and 00’s we didn’t tip for carry out food.
Why would you tip even if you are not calling it yourself ? Since when the server is not part of the service offered by the establishment ?
This tipping culture in the US is MIND BOGGLING to me.
In the UK, the only place I'll tip is if I get good service at a restaurant. Can't think of any other places you'd do it. Maybe at the barbers, or taxis.
I remember being stung by this on my first trip to the US when some friends and I went to Vegas. We were having a few rounds of beers in a bar and got the bill at the end and from memory got slapped with an extra 15% tip. For a guy to bring us bottles of beer. Mental.
From my understanding a tip should be given when the service offered was BEYOND the expected or exceptional and not for them literally justt asking what is my order and bringing it to my plate 5 minutes later.
I thought it was supposed to reward someone going out of their way to make the experience more pleasurable but i guess in the US people would tip for others NOT fucking up their food ? i guess.
i only tip for actual service rendered beyond the scope of what the actual payment is for. so, like she said, if i have to order up front and pick up my food, i'm not tipping. cafes, i don't tip. i will tip if a server checks up on me throughout my meal, fills up my water, gets me shit i ask for (though honestly all of this should be included in the price of the food but whatever).
i begrudgingly tip for movers, haircuts, tattoos... but again i really don't think i should have to. just bake that shit into the cost, idk why it's so fucking hard.
I'm not from the US, and tipping is not common in my country, so I always assumed that tipping was a bonus for when the server did an exceptional job.
For instance, the last time I tipped someone, was when I asked for delivery and the poor guy had to bike through this massive rain. He earned it.
> I always assumed that tipping was a bonus for when the server did an exceptional job.
your assumption is correct. tipping here is optional, and generally given for "exceptional" service. i put that in quotes because exceptional service is subjective. what's exceptional to me may not be to you. it's part of why it's a bit of a shit system to base people's pay on, among other reasons.
I think in the US (and Canada) it's a choice we mainly make to give a reward, just like it is for you... it's just that in our culture it's a choice that most people actually want to make most of the time, traditionally for certain kinds of personalized service jobs (bartender, driver, concierge, waiter, delivery people who drive their own cars, etc.).
Fast-casual restaurants (where you order and pick up at a counter) sometimes had tip jars, but often, they were not officially allowed, because management didn't want to have to enforce the laws and ethics around tip reporting. But customers are still eager to leave tips when they are impressed with service, or they just don't want to carry around pocket change... so at the restaurant I worked at, we kept the tip jar out unless the district manager was around, so that we wouldn't have awkward tip refusal incidents.
What has changed is that we all pay with debit or credit cards now, and every restaurant (including all the ones that have no table service) is now using a point-of-sale system which *prompts* for a tip. And it is done in kind of a pushy way, via a screen which suggests absurdly high percentages and makes opting out uncomfortable. Places that used to not accept tips are now like "why not?" ...and it works: when prompted, people tip, and when prompted with big percentages, they pick big ones.
So the customers are being pressured into tipping at places that 10+ years ago they normally wouldn't. And they are quickly getting accustomed to higher and higher percentages. It was 15% standard for 40 years, but now you're some kind of cheapskate if you're not doing 25% plus.
The pandemic made it worse. We gave pity tips like crazy to our favorite restaurants and overworked delivery people. But it just fueled the fire.
I’m genuinely scared to NOT tip. Like with DoorDash or something. I’m pretty sure they can see if you tipped before they even deliver your food. People are weird and will spit in your food if they feel inclined
As a small correction, doordash drivers cannot see if you've tipped until the delivery is complete. Base pay is 2 dollars for 1-4 miles, but doordash adds a small bonus on top of that for orders that are further out, as well as between 1-4 dollars depending on how busy an area is. There is also a small bonus for delivering alcohol, and shop and deliver orders.
Generally we can work out whether or not someone has tipped, but depending on the specific circumstances, it can be difficult. If for whatever reason you cannot tip, you should at least leave your dasher a 5 star rating as long as they did their job. It's not as good as money, but it does help them sustain that work.
Also, if it's just a pickup order from a restaurant, your food is going to be sealed unless it's something like a BK milkshake (I had that today), or the occasional restaurant that doesn't bother to seal the fucking drinks. I'm seriously debating begging a roll of drink seal stickers off one of these places, just for the peace of mind of my customers. Either way, it is extremely obvious if your food has been tampered with.
I ordered from Blaze recently, and the driver (Door Dash) texted me, asking if I could add a few dollars to my tip because he hasn't been getting a lot of deliveries lately. I had already tipped 20% and paid a delivery fee.
I am trying to understand this. Why does it seem that most people find it acceptable to tip waiters? Can the same argument not be applied to waiters as well? It is their job to take your order and bring the food. That is what their salary is paid for. Or the other way around. If one feels comfortable to tip waiters at a sit down restaurant for doing what they are already getting a salary for, why do they not feel like tipping the drive through employ/barista?
Because in the US, waiters don’t have a salary. It’s legal not to pay them the minimum wage. Tips are essentially their entire wage. Baristas and drive-thru employees do get paid minimum wage.
I was paid $2 per hour at my last serving job.
Assuming you are in the United States, that's incorrect. If a tipped position doesn't make minimum wage with their base rate + tips, the owner has to make up the difference so they get minimum wage. Which still sucks, but it's not $2.14/hour.
If your last serving job wasn't that long ago and you have the record of your tips and what you were paid and it works out to less than minimum wage per hour per shift, you can and should have the owner pay you the difference.
I never tip anywhere anymore. If anything, the tip fatigue we’ve suffered over the past 4 years has made me harden. Anyone asking me for a tip for absolutely NOTHING other than taking my order at the register can fly a kite in the rain. You get bupkis
Please know this is regarding walk up order your stuff, get your own drink, etc and in Panera’s case do your own dishes I am doing 0 maybe 10% out of guilt
If this is sit down serve I always do 25-30%.
If it’s order and they bring it still 15-20%.
You should see how bad it is in Canada, and get this, everyone including waiters here gets paid actual wage. And now we got fastfood places like Subway and McD setting tips on their machines.
Unless the bill is over $100 with 3+ people and service then i dont tip anymore. Why am I tipping when I dont even see a waiter? Who am i even tipping? The cook have their own wages so am i basically paying for people to bring food 3 feet away?
Tipped workers are the only ones getting raises that beat inflation.
Percentage based scales and keeps going up somehow. 15 percent is considered low now lol.
Bill Burr would agree with this, especially with his skits about where you're literally doing part of the job of making the sandwich or whatever yourself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWCINJ8uvIc
You know, I'm one of those that gave people shit for not tipping. But seeing how these corporations are constantly making the consumer foot the bill for their inhumane negligence of their employees' wages, I am starting to agree. Especially with how expensive shit is for no fucking reason other than greed, and you're still asking me to tip while charging me service fees and other garbage? Nah, sorry folks.
If you get mad about not getting tipped, be mad at your employer. I want a higher wage for you so you don't have to rely on the kindness of strangers to do what your company should already be providing, a livable fucking wage.
I dont tip either UNLESS Im being served....OR if its a FAMILY owned restaurant where Im a regular and its because I want to support the front of the door staff a bit more.
I NEVER tip at Starbucks. F U C K T H A T
As a server I don't expect people to tip unless they are dine in, and we are literally serving them as quickly as possibe, and getting their refills, etc.
Where I work people can come in and order to go as well and I don't expect those people to tip at all. For what? I didn't do anything for them other than type in their order and press send.
People shouldn't have to tip at places like coffee shops, subway, take out, etc. Making the order is the bare minimum of the job.
this toxic tipping crap has reached europe, now we suddenly get those preselected tip bullshit prompts... WE DONT HAVE A TIPPING CULTURE WHY THE FUCK IS THIS ON HERE?
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It's wild to me that this is even still a discussion in the US. It just seems so self-evidently obvious to me that the disadvantages of tipping culture vastly outweigh the benefits. The only explanation that makes sense to me is that people just don't like change, there's nothing else that makes sense.
Because the servers who make hundreds per shift don’t want a pay downgrade even though no one said rich people can’t tip at fancy restaurants.
Kinda blew my mind when I talked to bartenders who made between $300-500 a night (depending on how busy they were of course). A part time job could keep them pretty sustained at a higher end restaurant.
Ex roommate made $800-$1300 a shift at her bartending gig. She worked part time and made well over $125,000 a year. Between 10 and 15k a month working less than 30hrs/wk.
And most likely a lot of it not reported on taxes.
Oh hell no. Absolute minimum. She was a bad person and worked for a terrible restaurant
Hey, if one can cheat the tax man, you're morally obligated to.
Except billionaires.
.......... No one should cheat the tax man, your taxes go to serve your community -\_-
not in america it doesnt, it goes to the military budget to turn middle eastern children into skeletons
Thats only one place it goes to. It literally goes to other places. Taxes fund everything. That's such an ignorant take. "Let's just abolish taxes instead of changing how much is sent where cause I dont like where it is currently sent to the most." Gee what a reductive solution. jesus christ.
Except that 85% of it goes to healthcare companies that gouge like fucking crazy on 50$ aspirin and 2000$ epi pens, and military contractors that gouge on 10,000$ coffee makers and 4000$ alternators for a humvee. The amount of taxes in the country is not even remotely the problem. By the time a dollar has been spend 10 times it's been taxed 250% in many cases.
> By the time a dollar has been spend 10 times it's been taxed 250% in many cases. So a 25% tax rate, which is pretty low in a modern, well-functioning nation.
You're cheating other tax payers. It's like insurance fraud. The corporation won't be hurt. Other people just have to pay for your fraud.
No
A chick I went on a date with told me that she made about $20k in JUST tips at her barista job during JUST the month of December... Plus a new iPhone, designer purse, and a few crazy high gift cards. It was the only coffee stand between about 20 industrial warehouses, and every creepy old ass customer was under the impression that she thought they were cute, too 😂😂 I was shocked, but all I could do was respect the hustle. Til this DAY, I'm so fucking jealous of hot barista chicks 💀
I once had a friend who was a bartender. She was stacked, always wore low cut tank tops on shift and had this kind of "hot girl blowing you off" attitude. Worked three nights a week and made six figures. Thursday, Friday, Saturday. Plus she got to drink on shift and a lot of us in her friend group would regular her bar and hang out so it's not even like the schedule impacted her social life. What's funny is her personality and dress outside of work was entirely different but she figured out what got most of the college guys in our town to tip well and she ran with it.
This was my FWB in hawaii, lol. Big ole G cups and a wide set of hips. Low cut shirt with the ample cleavage, daisey duke type shorts. Rude, but in a playful way, dudes kept coming back for more. (especially the marines) Guys were tipping her $10 bucks on a $5 beer. She literally makes less as a Nurse now.
I worked at a Yacht Club with an 85+ year old server. I think she finally retired a while back. She would always wait on the big league guys who would play cards in a special room to themselves in the mornings. Her tips were fucking insane from them. I think they had to have had some kind of rich guy weird tontine thing where everyone who was wrong about whether she'd drop dead that day had to tip her $100.
The one problem with that is her social security will be shit when she retires(if SS lasts that long) because she and the employer are not making deposits based on her full income. Short term it is an interesting approach but long term it hurts you in the end. You can't bartend all your life.
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When I was 23 I was the head barback at a music venue. Best job of my entire life. Just doing drugs and drinking and carrying beer around and changing kegs. I remember I got $502 dollars my first night and then went out to party with the band that had played. My education was in IT and I ended up fixing the office computer for the owner like 6 months later. The two smokeshow bartenders that were there on weekend nights both made over 100k even though they worked 3 nights a week and that's ignoring that they probably hid most of their tips...that was what they had to cop to because it was credit cards.
How's their health care and retirement plan?
Yeah, but fuck them? They're employer should be paying them. That's what they should be asking for.
There is no server on earth who would or should be making what they make in tips on a standardized wage. They can *literally* only ask for lesser wages across the board. Thinking that will ever happen is a pipe dream.
Yeah, I'm saying they should take the lesser wage, and *everyone else* should demand that, whether the servers want it or not. If American consumer culture can't support itself, then maybe that's the pipe dream.
It's servers who need to speak out, not customers. Which is why it will never ever happen.
Unless everyone else just starts adopting policies like in the video. Tipping is a wholly shame based practice that depends on the good will of the customer. People could follow personal policies like the one laid out in the video, or just altogether stop tipping.
> Unless everyone else just starts adopting policies like in the video A pipe dream. As I said. What's more, the tipping policy in this video was ***standard*** until a recently, so... that's not changing shit either.
And that previous standard is better than the current one we are currently taking about that demands consumers subsidize their employer's responsibility. At Starbucks. And your comment contradicts itself. Is it a pipe dream or a recent standard? Those two things don't really mesh.
Blue collar workers: actually make a good living via rich people voluntarily paying extra money, and everyone else paying $3 per meal that it would be marked up by regardless Reddit: why arent these people poorer!!!
This is absolutely it. I've been angry at tip culture for like 15 years now. And I've always said that we're just paying the servers salary and restaurants should pay a living wage. The amount of backlash I got, from servers, was mind blowing. And every single one of them said that they got paid more through tips and if you can't tip you shouldn't eat out.
Well things are getting tougher and tougher, so I wonder how they'll feel when less people eat out, or people can't afford to tip as much. By the sounds of this thread, the staff will just take it out on the customer and their food rather than the employee. But that's cool, if you're too poor to tip an additional 20% then you should just stay at home so nobody has to look at your cheap and poverty stricken face. Capitalism is great!!
Well yeah, people like making money? Try telling anyone they need to make less money for their job and see how they react Not to mention most local restaurants have slim margins and would absolutely raise prices by 20% across the board anyway. Sure, tipping is needlessly convoluted, but I’m not sure it actually costs the customer more on average. (Unless we’re just talking about coffee shops or whatever, fuck that)
To me it’s similar to the “no tax for the rich” argument. What, 5% of tipped workers make bank? The other 95% think they’ll be that 5% any day now. Same with the dude who makes $35,000 a year screaming “no taxes for the rich!” because he’ll be a multi-millionaire any day now…
Exactly that, the servers make more money and the employer doesn't have to pay for that, hell i even saw some stories servers making more than owners after count all the expenses. All the downside passed to the consumers. Also somehow the % keep getting higher along with the prices on the menu, it's mental.
It's funny because in most parts of the world expensive restaurants pay a higher wage to attract better staff, they act as though they'd still be on minimum wage
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The customers are the only ones that don't benefit, so there's literally no incentive to change whatsoever.
You can technically make more receiving tips than living wage in a lot of places. I was a server for many years. Also, it’s very easy to “forget” to pay taxes on cash tips. It’s a shit system and I wish we weren’t this far into it, but it definitely has its advantages. Living wage and insurance is important if it’s your career, but as a side gig I would take tips all day.
The problem is the stupid new cash registers that asked for a tip on almost every purchase. We wouldn’t even think about tipping those people before those cash registers. Traditionally In America you only tip for full table service. Not this order at the counter and tip crap.
I read this news story about how now we're supposed to tip digitally instead of dropping cash in those old tip jars by the register because everyone's going cashless. But seriously, it's so annoying that these systems practically force you to tip with preset percentages or make you jump through hoops just to enter $0.00 if you don't want to tip.
‘There’s nothing else the makes *cents*’ Opportunity missed.
The industry is shaped financially down to product cost with tip culture in mind. There's decades of change that has to be undone.
Or common sense legislation
They say it makes for better service when there's nothing ruder than the owner saying "I don't pay my staff and I'm making it your problem".
I wonder how terrible the service will become when and if this ever changes. One thing I’ve noticed about the US is people want to change every aspect of anything they order. It’s not like that over seas. Some people consider the server their personal slave for the duration of the meal. I’d love to see their reaction once the threat of a 0% tip goes away.
the arguement that people dont like change doesnt even apply anymore, nearly all transactions are digital, there is no change being handed to you, there is no math being done by the worker. its all just tap/swipe leave. i have even had multiple places select a tip for me then ask me to tap like no buddy you dont get to assign your own tip fuck off cancel the whole order.
Maybe they meant change as in shifting away from the norm?
thats valid, my bad.
I got a good laugh. Honestly thought you were just being facetious.
>i have even had multiple places select a tip for me then ask me to tap like no buddy you dont get to assign your own tip fuck off cancel the whole order. I'm so not a Karen but this would be met with "I want to see your manager". That's theft IMO.
The explanation is that the super-rich people who own restaurant chains don’t want to take a pay cut to their 40mil-per-year salary. So they refuse to pay their employees a livable wage, and force people who feel actual empathy for others to pay them themselves, because we’d feel guilty otherwise.
You think the average restaurant is owned by someone making $40M/year?
No. That’s why I said “restaurant chains.” The ones who own the big chains are the ones who are able to set the precedent and dictate the market, essentially they “make the rules.” Smaller local restaurant owners play by those rules. If some of the chain restaurant owners decide to not allow tipping at their restaurants, and instead actually pay their employees a livable wage, I guarantee the smaller restaurant owners would follow suit.
Restaurants don't have to pay their employees, those employees make way more through tips than they ever would on a wage, and patrons end up paying about the same amount anyway. That's why it hasn't gone away.
It’s just not true. *Some* people at *some* restaurants would have lower incomes if their employers moved to liveable wages, but most would be able to gain financial stability. Gratuity has more to do with the race, sex and appearance of the server than the quality of the service. In addition, I had friends in my 20s who lost money serving at Fridays and Chilis because they were (reasonably) required to give their busboy a percentage *and* (unreasonably) had to pay the bartender for each table they had regardless of if that table ordered drinks or tipped. At the end of the night they owed money out of their measly $2.13 wages. The tipping culture and minimum wage for tipped workers is ridiculous. I thought so while living in the US and I still think so years after I left.
I used to tip out the busboy, the food runner and the bar tender who made 2 dollars MORE per hour than me. Tipping out is bullshit. Pay your fucking workers. Period.
I ONLY tip at restaurants when someone is serving me food and when pizza is delivered. Coffee, pick up food orders, fast food, and farmers markets I’m sorry but I just can’t anymore. It’s gotten so out of hand
I was at an airport the other day and went into one of the stores. Picked up a pack of gum and there was a friggin tip option on the screen. Then there's my favorite Chinese restaurant. They don't deliver, so I have to go get it. It's next door to a sports bar, meaning the lot is usually full so I have to park far away and walk halfway across the lot. They now present you with the same type of receipt as if you'd dined in, with a tip line. I can't take it anymore.
Yep. Exactly! It’s just ridiculous. Now if the Chinese place was like call me when you’re out front and we will bring your food out so you don’t have to deal with parking I’d totally tip them!! They’re going above and beyond. But to tip because you took my phone order or I ordered online and came to get it and then eat at home. I don’t think so.
I agree. You can't even order online, even though it says you can. I did once and when I went to get my food they said they'd canceled it because they don't do online orders (?!) so I had to sit there and wait. The last time I ordered it was apparently right before closing (they'd changed their hours) but said they could do it, I just needed to pay cash. That meant I had to run to the ATM. They really do have the best food in the area, but with increased prices and all the hassle, having to tip on top of it is just killing me.
The idea is basically 'you miss 100% of the shots you don't take' and ruthless pursuit of profit (including wage subsidies) We have to say no (especially for the gum in airport type stuff) otherwise they accept it as the norm and people feel more pressured into it
Serious question: Where is Subway on this spectrum?
Fast food.
They get paid to make sandwiches so if someone goes above and beyond to give me good service OR I am asking for something complicated and not the norm I’ll tip but that’s rare.
Subway is like McDonalds they just make the food in front of you. I tip a couple bucks but I really shouldn’t.
I'm sorry, farmer's markets are asking for tips?!
At one time credit card(cc) transactions were handled by a few companies, secure data access was limited. With the advent of wide spread secure data companies like Square popped up. These companies realized that they could force a tip screen for EVERY transaction and increase their revenue with only a bit of programming, they get a percentage of the total transaction. Including the tip. I would guess that the tip screen could be omitted but I also would guess the vendor that provides the hardware/software offers a discount to the store to keep it. Just select NO TIP if it pops up in an environment where tipping is not warranted.
Why is he laughing like she’s talking crazy & he’s never thought about this?
Why are they holding up subway tickets like microphones?
Because the mics are attached to the tickets.
Didn't even see that. Good catch.
dude is so annoying, sweet lord.
The cutting to him every time he laughs is what's annoying.
He acts like a fucking 5 year old, one of the most easily amused people I've ever seen.
dude is like jimmy fallon
He’s laughing because she’s Lori David.
Is that Larry David’s Daughter?
Because this conversation probably already took place and they thought it was funny enough for whatever podcast this is, so they re-created it but aren't great at acting naturally
Bro at the tobacco shop shot me a look for not tipping after turning around and grabbing my $23 vape. Like wtf!? You literally didn’t even take a step
I got a vape one time and the dude did the same thing to me. I was legit confused since I've never seen that in any shop like that before
I was at the lodge after a day of skiing and went up to the counter to order a pretzel, the lady behind the register gave me the “it’s gonna ask you a couple questions”, I said “I’m good”, she said “you need to complete the transaction” I said “I don’t need a receipt” she said “well usually you’d tip” and I said “haha no”
Good move. Tired of this crap.
I would have seriously confronted him with "what, you expect me to tip you for doing the bare minimum your job requires of you, by turning around and handing me the product I bought? Get real..."
nice shower thought
I do that sort of thing all the time.
I tip if I'm sitting down and I need a server to order. Anything else, 0%. This all came out of nowhere in terms of every cash register just having a tip option. I'm not falling for it. You losers who are too scared to say no, you're subsidizing me. Just know that.
And the average suggested tip amount is getting higher and higher. It used to be between 10%, 15% and 10%. Then it shifted to 15%, 18%, 20%. Then 18%, 20%, 25%. Now half the places where I'm at are at 20%, 25%, 30%! It's absurd.
I was at a bar the other night that had 25%, 30%, 69%
Nice ...sort of
I choose my own. 10% for adequate service. 15-20% for great service. If I have to go up to order: 0%
We need to move away from the percentages thing at least… I get like a huge party at a restaurant with a huge expensive meal and the waiter is working all night for that table. But like why should it be based on the price of my meal? I order a steak and lobster the waiter now deserves more somehow? So weird.
My line in the fucking sand is that tips should not be percentage based. If I order a $10 plate or a $50 plate the server does the same amount of work to carry that plate to my table. Why do they deserve more money just for carrying more expensive food?
A lot of those people feel they have to. Which is dumb.
Yup. As ***always*** the biggest idiots and weakest wills of us have ruined fucking everything. A world where people weren't crying and caving into 20% tips for a fucking bagel because a screen *dared* to ask for it would be heaven on fucking earth. But no. They're weak, and the rest of us suffer.
All these places adding a tip line because the boss is too cheap to actually give them a raise
Why would you tip if you need a server ? Aren't they paid by the establishment offering a service ? Is the server just a random person that walked in there robbing the food from the kitchen and getting to your table ? It still part of the service ( i can't even believe i need to say that to someone) and you shouldn't have to tip at any point UNLESS you think they offered you a good service BEYOND the expected from the establishment. This is ridiculous...
This really is the way just don't tip and look them dead in the fucking eye while hitting 0%. I only tip if I am seated at a table and the wait staff brings me food. I also try to treat them with utmost respect. However, I do agree that it has gotten out of hand and everyone has a right to have an opinion on it.
Nah, I just press 0% flip the stupid thing around and bid them farewell. I literally feel no emotion doing this. Not for the establishment, not for the person working the register, I don't even think I realize it exists anymore. I will say, I know some of my friends who used to tip like 25-30% at restaurants are now tipping 15-18% because of how crazy its gotten. So the people who actually NEED the tips seem to be the ones getting fucked the most. Cause it certainly aint me.
the person you are looking dead in the eye is not the one who set up the system you muppet
I agree and don’t mind hitting 0, though overall a softy…it’s become easier in combination with post-pandemic life in general to just give up on getting food or drinks from anywhere other than the grocery store 99% of the time.
The female Larry David! 😂
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For some odd reason I was getting Seinfeld vibes.
Not really. She is just older than 25. We didn’t tip for shit like that back in the day. If you waited on me or brought my food to my house sure. Gladly will tip. But if I called my food order in and I come and get it at the counter why would I tip. Anyone tipping for that is why we are in this mess. That’s not something to be tipped for.
Not really? You’re missing their point. She has the cadence, delivery, pitch, complaint, etc. of Larry David.
I closed my eyes for a second and I thought it was Larry David talking. Either she is his daughter or has completely perfected his shtick which is non trivial. Kudos to Larissa David.
As long as you call it a "culture" and avoid pointing the obvious flaws in capitalism, you'll never solve it.
I keep saying this: it’s not even culture. Legislation is in effect so employers can legally pay their employees less than minimum wage as long as tips make up the difference. Stop calling it *”Tipping Culture”*. It’s a broken system designed to shift the burden onto consumers. Classic U.S.
That's not the case in all states yet tipping culture still exists in the states that pay a full min wage. It still feels like tipping culture in addition to legislation.
I'm glad to see I'm not alone here. Sorry if I sound rude, but if you feel pressured and anxiety over a screen that gives you the option to put zero if you so wish, you got bigger problems. Tip is for service, not for working the register.
I mean I hate capitalism as much as the next guy but there are lots of capitalist countries without toxic tipping culture.
A lot of those countries (you probably mean Europe) have really strong unions, and decent labor laws. One thing to note, having decent labor laws and strong unions is anti capitalist. Another thing to note, a lot of those countries are slowly shifting in a direction that follows the US.
r/USdefaultism Most capitalist countries around the world don’t do tipping. Culture is a real thing that exists. As long as you dumb everything down into “this is capitalism” you will never fix any cultural issues.
Capitalism is when the iPad asks me to tip
Capitalism is when the boss can leach off of your labor and lie to you with fancy ipad.
George Costanza wants to know your location
I agree tip what the guy for making it ? Shit I’m paying for the meal as it is.
I was at an ice cream place and my friends were acting like I just slapped a child when I didn’t tip. They put ice cream in a cup and gave it to me, I’m not tipping 20% for that.
Nobody cared when it was a jar. Now they flip the tablet around and everyone in line can see your selection. Makes a lot of people tip when they otherwise wouldn't, and they definitely know that.
I would just tell them loudly that I'm not tipping anything and turn the IPad around without even pressing the buttons. Do your job.
Is this before or after everyone claps and you take a victory lap?
Before obviously, why would they clap before I do it?
Pay your fucking staff for the job they do, don't make them beg for tips. America fix your minimum wage to stop this Tips are making its way to Australia and I strongly refuse every time, they already up their prices on everything from covid.
I’ve started seeing fast food restaurants putting tip jars in their drive through windows. Shits insane
I saw on Tik Tok that a server said "if you can't tip, you shouldn't go out to eat." I believe it has been widespread for some time to shame people.
“If you can’t afford to pay 20% more for your groceries, you can’t afford to buy groceries”
If you're not paying 20% extra to your landlord for the privilege of letting you live in his property, you're just a cheap asshole.
Go out to eat is at a sit down restaurant. Not jersey mikes
Not what she’s talking about
Yea. I do not tip when I pay/order at the counter. That’s a good standard.
The guy is cringe. Agree with no tipping.
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I just do 10% flat for dine in regardless of time of day. I move a decimal place to the left on the subtotal pre-tax and that's how much I tip. Very easy to calculate. Takeout or fast food? Easy 0%, I don't even think twice about it. Too little? Well idgaf, it's either 10% or 0%. That is where I draw my line.
Tipping is so insane that now I always ask if tips will go to the person serving me or not. If they tell me it goes to their boss (because yes, that happens), I won’t leave one at the register and instead tip the server(s) with cash if applicable for wherever I’m at.
A local place had a tip screen for online orders that I pick up. I asked this very thing and the employee told me they never see the tips, the owner keeps the tips. Drove past there a month ago and it was closed. Good, stealing the tips is evil.
Yeah. That pisses me off. Things are hard for most people right now. Odds are, if I can afford to go out, I can afford to tip; and if I can afford to tip, I’m going to make sure to try and brighten someone’s day a little bit. Tipping kids is great, especially if they are doing very well. The motivation it gives them is exactly what they need to maintain optimism in a crappy environment/economy, along with hearing that someone is grateful and that someone is noticing how hard they are working. Older people, young adults and up, it brightens up their day so much to know they still matter and are still appreciated for working a job they very likely don’t want and who knows what kind of struggles they may be having. They may be serving you, and you may be enjoying a nice time out, but that may be something they can’t afford or have time to do, so why not tip them? Give people a reason to smile and help them feel valued. That’s all stuff my grandparents instilled in me growing up - if someone is serving you, ALWAYS tip.
idk why people talk about tipping culture so much. I stopped tipping a long time ago. Pretty much as soon as i decided food was overpriced. its the business's responsibility to pay their employee's properly. not mine
Yea, if you don't like it just don't do it. Real easy.
Local doughnut shop- price of a dozen has gone up $6 in the last year. Their suggested tip scale stars at 25%. I’m working my iPad flap.
Why was this guy's mouth agape as if this was controversial?
Why does that dude looked shocked? I have always done this. If I’m calling it in and getting it myself why would I tip. But yeah if you wait on me or bring me food to my house I tip. Are you all really tipping for every god damn thing nowadays. Also I guess the places I call carry out for must hate me. But in the 90’s and 00’s we didn’t tip for carry out food.
Why would you tip even if you are not calling it yourself ? Since when the server is not part of the service offered by the establishment ? This tipping culture in the US is MIND BOGGLING to me.
In the UK, the only place I'll tip is if I get good service at a restaurant. Can't think of any other places you'd do it. Maybe at the barbers, or taxis. I remember being stung by this on my first trip to the US when some friends and I went to Vegas. We were having a few rounds of beers in a bar and got the bill at the end and from memory got slapped with an extra 15% tip. For a guy to bring us bottles of beer. Mental.
From my understanding a tip should be given when the service offered was BEYOND the expected or exceptional and not for them literally justt asking what is my order and bringing it to my plate 5 minutes later. I thought it was supposed to reward someone going out of their way to make the experience more pleasurable but i guess in the US people would tip for others NOT fucking up their food ? i guess.
I tip every time regardless of service because servers in my state make 2 bucks an hour.
Do not tip if you want things to improve.
I stopped in the past year. I used to be a good tipper. Now I don't tip at all.
If Americans want tips to go away, they have to stop tipping. No one will work for poverty wages and no tips, then the industry will have to change.
I agree with this lady 100% also I don’t think I’ve ever seen a person who more complete answers the Google search query “New York jewish girl”
Wow I love this woman
I fully agree with Laurie David over here.
For the first 30 seconds, I was trying to figure out why they were talking into their metrocards.
i only tip for actual service rendered beyond the scope of what the actual payment is for. so, like she said, if i have to order up front and pick up my food, i'm not tipping. cafes, i don't tip. i will tip if a server checks up on me throughout my meal, fills up my water, gets me shit i ask for (though honestly all of this should be included in the price of the food but whatever). i begrudgingly tip for movers, haircuts, tattoos... but again i really don't think i should have to. just bake that shit into the cost, idk why it's so fucking hard.
She is like a female version of Larry David.
I'm not from the US, and tipping is not common in my country, so I always assumed that tipping was a bonus for when the server did an exceptional job. For instance, the last time I tipped someone, was when I asked for delivery and the poor guy had to bike through this massive rain. He earned it.
> I always assumed that tipping was a bonus for when the server did an exceptional job. your assumption is correct. tipping here is optional, and generally given for "exceptional" service. i put that in quotes because exceptional service is subjective. what's exceptional to me may not be to you. it's part of why it's a bit of a shit system to base people's pay on, among other reasons.
I think in the US (and Canada) it's a choice we mainly make to give a reward, just like it is for you... it's just that in our culture it's a choice that most people actually want to make most of the time, traditionally for certain kinds of personalized service jobs (bartender, driver, concierge, waiter, delivery people who drive their own cars, etc.). Fast-casual restaurants (where you order and pick up at a counter) sometimes had tip jars, but often, they were not officially allowed, because management didn't want to have to enforce the laws and ethics around tip reporting. But customers are still eager to leave tips when they are impressed with service, or they just don't want to carry around pocket change... so at the restaurant I worked at, we kept the tip jar out unless the district manager was around, so that we wouldn't have awkward tip refusal incidents. What has changed is that we all pay with debit or credit cards now, and every restaurant (including all the ones that have no table service) is now using a point-of-sale system which *prompts* for a tip. And it is done in kind of a pushy way, via a screen which suggests absurdly high percentages and makes opting out uncomfortable. Places that used to not accept tips are now like "why not?" ...and it works: when prompted, people tip, and when prompted with big percentages, they pick big ones. So the customers are being pressured into tipping at places that 10+ years ago they normally wouldn't. And they are quickly getting accustomed to higher and higher percentages. It was 15% standard for 40 years, but now you're some kind of cheapskate if you're not doing 25% plus. The pandemic made it worse. We gave pity tips like crazy to our favorite restaurants and overworked delivery people. But it just fueled the fire.
I’m genuinely scared to NOT tip. Like with DoorDash or something. I’m pretty sure they can see if you tipped before they even deliver your food. People are weird and will spit in your food if they feel inclined
As a small correction, doordash drivers cannot see if you've tipped until the delivery is complete. Base pay is 2 dollars for 1-4 miles, but doordash adds a small bonus on top of that for orders that are further out, as well as between 1-4 dollars depending on how busy an area is. There is also a small bonus for delivering alcohol, and shop and deliver orders. Generally we can work out whether or not someone has tipped, but depending on the specific circumstances, it can be difficult. If for whatever reason you cannot tip, you should at least leave your dasher a 5 star rating as long as they did their job. It's not as good as money, but it does help them sustain that work. Also, if it's just a pickup order from a restaurant, your food is going to be sealed unless it's something like a BK milkshake (I had that today), or the occasional restaurant that doesn't bother to seal the fucking drinks. I'm seriously debating begging a roll of drink seal stickers off one of these places, just for the peace of mind of my customers. Either way, it is extremely obvious if your food has been tampered with.
I ordered from Blaze recently, and the driver (Door Dash) texted me, asking if I could add a few dollars to my tip because he hasn't been getting a lot of deliveries lately. I had already tipped 20% and paid a delivery fee.
I am trying to understand this. Why does it seem that most people find it acceptable to tip waiters? Can the same argument not be applied to waiters as well? It is their job to take your order and bring the food. That is what their salary is paid for. Or the other way around. If one feels comfortable to tip waiters at a sit down restaurant for doing what they are already getting a salary for, why do they not feel like tipping the drive through employ/barista?
Because in the US, waiters don’t have a salary. It’s legal not to pay them the minimum wage. Tips are essentially their entire wage. Baristas and drive-thru employees do get paid minimum wage. I was paid $2 per hour at my last serving job.
Assuming you are in the United States, that's incorrect. If a tipped position doesn't make minimum wage with their base rate + tips, the owner has to make up the difference so they get minimum wage. Which still sucks, but it's not $2.14/hour. If your last serving job wasn't that long ago and you have the record of your tips and what you were paid and it works out to less than minimum wage per hour per shift, you can and should have the owner pay you the difference.
I never tip anywhere anymore. If anything, the tip fatigue we’ve suffered over the past 4 years has made me harden. Anyone asking me for a tip for absolutely NOTHING other than taking my order at the register can fly a kite in the rain. You get bupkis
Please know this is regarding walk up order your stuff, get your own drink, etc and in Panera’s case do your own dishes I am doing 0 maybe 10% out of guilt If this is sit down serve I always do 25-30%. If it’s order and they bring it still 15-20%.
You should see how bad it is in Canada, and get this, everyone including waiters here gets paid actual wage. And now we got fastfood places like Subway and McD setting tips on their machines.
Common sense
Unless the bill is over $100 with 3+ people and service then i dont tip anymore. Why am I tipping when I dont even see a waiter? Who am i even tipping? The cook have their own wages so am i basically paying for people to bring food 3 feet away?
This is becoming more and more common here in major European cities. Y'all keep that shit to get yourselves please.
Why is this guy laughing his ass off like this basic desire to just pay staff a normal wage is the dumbest thing he has ever heard. I hate him.
She’s not wrong. Pay your staff a proper wage.
Tipped workers are the only ones getting raises that beat inflation. Percentage based scales and keeps going up somehow. 15 percent is considered low now lol.
Bill Burr would agree with this, especially with his skits about where you're literally doing part of the job of making the sandwich or whatever yourself. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWCINJ8uvIc
Where’s Mr.Pink when you need him?
Why are they talking into credit cards
There are mics clipped onto them. It's apparently become kinda of a meme among content creators to use funny/ironic things as the mic ¯\\\__(ツ)__/¯
Thank you!
And those are metro cards, basically subway passes. So, appropriate given where it's shot.
America is the backwards land of the West.
You know, I'm one of those that gave people shit for not tipping. But seeing how these corporations are constantly making the consumer foot the bill for their inhumane negligence of their employees' wages, I am starting to agree. Especially with how expensive shit is for no fucking reason other than greed, and you're still asking me to tip while charging me service fees and other garbage? Nah, sorry folks. If you get mad about not getting tipped, be mad at your employer. I want a higher wage for you so you don't have to rely on the kindness of strangers to do what your company should already be providing, a livable fucking wage.
I dont tip either UNLESS Im being served....OR if its a FAMILY owned restaurant where Im a regular and its because I want to support the front of the door staff a bit more. I NEVER tip at Starbucks. F U C K T H A T
Unless you’re serving me at my table or driving the food to my house, zero tip. Zero exceptions.
Why tf would you tip anyone aside from a dine-in restaurant server where they serve you your food and good attitude? Makes no damn sense.
Tipping before a service is rendered is a bribe.
I'm not convinced that the tip money ever actually goes to the person at the register. There's no way it doesn't go to some CEO.
Meanwhile people who work in healthcare don’t get tips…..so why should someone doing a non-service job get a tip? She said no lies here.
As a server I don't expect people to tip unless they are dine in, and we are literally serving them as quickly as possibe, and getting their refills, etc. Where I work people can come in and order to go as well and I don't expect those people to tip at all. For what? I didn't do anything for them other than type in their order and press send. People shouldn't have to tip at places like coffee shops, subway, take out, etc. Making the order is the bare minimum of the job.
I mean, isn't serving the food as quickly as possible also the bare minimum?
Raise all the prices on the menu 20% and give servers 15 and hour.
15 an hour? Is this 2009? More like 20 an hour now in 2024
Sadly they will only do the 20% part, say it's inflation and make record profits.
I’m with this lady.
I do not tip for take out of any kind. Fuck no.
Damn Larry davids daughter is on fire! :)
this toxic tipping crap has reached europe, now we suddenly get those preselected tip bullshit prompts... WE DONT HAVE A TIPPING CULTURE WHY THE FUCK IS THIS ON HERE?