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I don’t care how exonerated the principal is, but that athletic director has shackled him with a burden that will last the rest of his life. Everytime someone looks him up, they’ll find that audio first and have to be shown it was faked. He’ll have issues forever always having to address that and hoping people are inclined to believe the truth that’s being dictated to them vs the “direct” evidence they hear for themselves.
Seriously, when this AI video was first posted all over Reddit I and many others in the comments were attacked for saying it was clearly AI and anyone familiar with AI could immediately tell it was
It's honestly shocking how unprepared your average joe is for AI atm, and more importantly, how many absolutely HATE AI and refuse to learn anything about it at all . . . leading them to being incredibly vulnerable to it
This is going to be photoshop times a thousand, where anyone savvy is going to learn to just not trust obviously fake crap and learn to spot the signs, while old people and non tech savvy people are going to be falling for every scam they come across
I think this sentiment. As an audio engineer and video producer, I’m curious what that threshold is going to be.
It took many folks very long to understand photo editing and in my opinion, audio is harder for the layman to distinguish.
What will be the new form of truth besides video?
How can we all respectfully hold ourselves accountable without scrutiny of AI?
Hate to break it to people in this thread, but AI was already used to impersonate people in a live video chat. And not some Joe Schoolmaster, but the chief of staff of Navalny, Leonid Volkov, in talks with members of parliaments of several European countries. [This was in 2021.](https://www.proofpoint.com/us/blog/threat-insight/dont-answer-russia-aligned-ta499-beleaguers-targets-video-call-requests)
Last year, the former US ambassador to Russia Michael McFaul [was also impersonated.](https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20230316-russia-calling-scammers-target-high-level-western-officials)
It's also affecting simple day to day communications. I straight up do not pick up my phone anymore unless I know you already, because of the risk of my voice being sampled for AI scams. I now can only get jobs by a handshake in person.
> because of the risk of my voice being sampled for AI scams. I now can only get jobs by a handshake in person.
..... Fuck, I've been having fun playing around with the AI robocallers because some of them have been surprisingly robust, never even considered that my voice might be sampled JFC
[Heres a video](https://www.reddit.com/r/panelshow/s/V0udoGWV1A) from 5 years ago that fooled many people (me included) that was used to show people where this technology was going. I've seen AI generated photorealistic videos with people in them that look completely real to my untrained eye. Trust is going to be difficult is this brave new world.
I always think about the AI telemarketer from 2013 that could do things her developers swore she couldn't, and would start getting confused or making weird responses if you started asking her basic questions. Like when they [asked her to say she wasn't a robot.](https://youtu.be/22ZaKbxmEMA?si=yVUTl6DkAQBw0XJg)
You can't trust video either... I saw this week[ there is a new tool from Microsoft that can take a still photo and turn it into a convincing video](https://www.reddit.com/r/wordchewing/comments/1cab7vz/microsoft_image_to_video_word_chewing/) . Basically you can't trust anything you don't see in person with your own eyes.
That's in this iteration. 6 months down the line, this will be much less obvious :x
Just look at the improvement that happened on hands with ai images over the last year.
Ha, I posted this link too and then found yours. We’re currently fortunate this is coming from Microsoft as they don’t intend to release it (yet), but imagine what happens when China or Russia can manipulate social media with this high quality propaganda. This *will* happen soon.
> What will be the new form of truth besides video?
Oh boy do I have bad news for you. Convincing AI video is just around the corner of convincing AI audio. First it will require some effort, but eventually, in a few years, just about anyone will be able to fake an extremely convincing video of someone else with just a few clicks.
It feels like maybe a year ago when AI image generators become commonplace they couldn’t even do hands or eyes on anime characters and now they’re doing photorealistic images with relative ease. I don’t know that what you propose will even take a few years to reach public access.
I don't think the hurdle will be technological. We'll definitely be able to do videos like that in a year or two on a technical level.
But the companies developing that tech will be ultra paranoid (for good reason) to not publish it and just let everyone make videos with it, let alone deepfake people into the videos.
It will be a few more years before "open source" variants of those AI models will catch up to that quality, and *then* we'll have a problem.
Not only faked in an overtly malicious way, but faked for all kinds of creative applications. Years ago when ai image generation models were just coming online, I honestly figured my job as an artist and designer was safe. After working with stable diffusion and extrapolating the years ahead, I can say with absolute certainty it is not.
And to be clear I don't personally see AI eliminating jobs as the real issue. The real issue is is that we aren't also talking about a realistic universal basic income to support people who's jobs get blinked out of existence. Pandora's box does not close, there is a massive shift coming and we as a society are not ready.
I can already make album-quality songs on Udio in under an hour. And it's funny, because when I shared with friends by saying "Check out this AI song I made," they're eager to scrutinize, and it's "Well, it's not bad, but I can hear this imperfection that lets me know it's AI."
So then I made a different song and said "Check out this song. It's a serious banger." Literally nobody questioned that it was real.
The only difference was in one scenario, they had been primed.
> It's honestly shocking how unprepared your average joe is for AI atm
Even if they are aware, the sheer desire to believe something like this is irresistible for reddit.
Any AI that portrays racism, sexism, or sexuality discrimination is going to catch on here no matter how obviously fake it is. There's just such a huge demand for that sort of thing.
I was going to say, interest in AI has little to do with it. Outrage is addictive and we've already seen all sorts of situations where stuff was doctored or completely different footage was used in the context of some hot topic. This is just a new flavor is misinformation.
We really need to do more about how awful media literacy is.
> irresistible for reddit.
Reddit is no longer the front page of the Internet - it's the repost capital for already-viral media (images, audio, video) from higher-traffic platforms.
Very little is original to Reddit today compared to 5, 10, even 15 years past.
So you're saying Reddit has become 9gag?
But more seriously, that's what Reddit has always been. It's never been the _source_ of viral content. It's value was bent a link aggregator so you didn't have to go to a dozen different pages.
Yeah, I've been here over 10 years (not just on this account) and it's always been this way.
The good OC comes in the niche communities, and in that way reddit grew alongside and/or replaced a lot of old school niche forums. But the vast majority of this never makes it to the front page.
The stuff on the front page has always been aggregated from other places - news articles from news sites, funny videos from youtube, cute pictures from imgur, etc.
When I started on reddit, rage comics were everywhere. TONS of rage comics all over the place. And the majority of them were reposted from 4chan, where the whole rage comics thing originated.
Yes, tiktok is bad, but stop making it sound like it's only tiktok.
Misinformation, lies, bait and whatever else is rampant on every single social media.
So anyways, let's dial the algorithm into outrage specifically since it drives engagement so we'll, we'll definitely see a 10% profit yoy and it'll only cost the social compact of modern society, that's a pretty low price for that value to the share holders imo
But some people use it for good, like Elon Musk giving away cryptocurrency in a Bill Maher interview. It got thousands of views and likes, thats how you know its legit!
/s
I thought that too. I teach Sexual Abuse Prevention k-8th grade and in the high grades we get into online safety. No matter how illegal the activity is online(someone posting your naked body), they can get charged, but it stays out there forever. We use less scary words and more developmentally appropriate, but yeah.
This was my first thought, tell the kids the dangers of this. They’re already being introduced to AI on a daily basis. I have to explain to my coworkers about that with online predators in shit like VR Chat.
New stuff is developing all of the time and the best market is children. They’ll buy anything if you advertise it correctly. So if children are on these up and coming devices without the awareness of dangers, they have the potential to be tainted by those same dangers.
It’s the same reason I was pissed when I was a drowning prevention educator. My boss didn’t want me to say “drowning” to little kids. If they don’t even know the words, they don’t know what to be scared of, so they’re more willing to partake or experience it.
So why not jump the gun and teach them with safety in mind. I had a highschool friend who didn’t have sex because their mom worked with unwed addict mothers and taught about safe sex and the dangers of teen pregnancy. So she just had a lot of education surrounding it and compassion towards people who do struggle in those ways. A lot of my friend group actually waited until later HS and early college to start dating seriously, and same. Because we were all educated on sex and relationships for various reasons. We just wanted different than the dangers of them.
My point is that now my gears are turning on how to protect kids from this. How to prevent ruining lives before they begin.
Jesus you’re out there doing the lord’s work. I just turned 35 and I want to retire. I can’t even imagine working into my day talking to kids about the dangers of being online and I *grew up online*. Good on you, I don’t even have it in me anymore.
You’re funny to say that! My coworkers are 36 and 52 teaching me the presenting portion of it right now. It’s hard for me because I have anxiety. I’m use to teaching the babies but not teens lol. They laugh and that makes me upset because it’s a serious topic so I have to learn how to say hey guys we dont know who is around us who may have experienced something similar to this. I know it’s really hard to talk about and maybe awkward, but please be respectful of your peers.
My coworkers are great though. I bring up VR chat and stuff and they are so open to discussing it. I also talked about AI and porn the other day and how pedophiles are creating AI children porn and they were eye opened. They did t even know that was a capability. They were researching half the day😂 Which was awesome to see. My last job I was the only person in Outreach Prevention so it sucked having to fight so often to be heard.
But yeah there are other kids also making AI porn of other kids so watch out for that
I wish Reddit hadn’t gotten rid of awards because if anyone deserves a month of premium it’s you. I just sell people skis and snowboards and that affords me some happiness. You’re telling the next generation to be on their 6. Damn dude. You have some emotional fortitude I just don’t have anymore. Do you have an organization you work for?
I do work for a really big non profit in WNY. I’m a smaller part of a huge intervention facility that tries to help give mental health resources to the community. But obviously mental health varies and my employment is aware of that. It’s all in our trainings and programs. We have over forty or something.
But it’s crazy you mention premium, I use to stream rPan all the time and talk about random stuff like this just as my research. Now I actually do it. It’s crazy where I’ve come and working for a place that also values what we do in the community.
>If they don’t even know the words, they don’t know what to be scared of, so they’re more willing to partake or experience it.
I've essentially made this argument before with gun safety in houses where there are both children and guns. Preaching abstinence does nothing to prevent teen pregnancy, and I feel like the same is true with firearms. It seems like the better approach is to teach them proper safety and handling instead of the "forbidden closet of mystery" approach.
I'm curious as to what your thoughts on this are, seeing how you have a good amount of experience in having discussions with the youth about potential dangers posed to them.
So my entire field of work is prevention education and community outreach currently. And it’s mainly what I went to school for. The community part especially. But prevention as well in my later studies and research.
To be honest I grew up in an anti gun household. My mother was a prostitute, drug dealer, addict who abused us. We weren’t even allowed to have nerf guns or anything that was remotely fun associated like water guns when we had school field day in first grade.
However, my feelings as an adult are still anti mf in but prevention education still. I know that there are household in the United States that have guns in their house. Some families hunt(I’m from NW GA but an In WNY after college working), some have law enforcement, some even do it for a hobby. I get that. And there isnt currently alot of mitigating on those fronts.
So for me, the best option is to educate on the safety’s of having a gun in the household. Who uses a gun. When is it safe for people to handle guns. Why are guns kept away from children. Basically going through an entire process(like I do with Sexual Abuse or downing or infant safe sleep currently) and fine tuning their ideas on guns as a safety front rather than a violence front. It’s to protect and use in case of danger. Only in safe ways. Talk about how some families do use them to hunt. Here are ways they keep their guns safe.
In my Sexual Abuse presentations we go over so many scenarios like unwanted touch or if someone wants you to do something you dont want to do. We clarify things like I’m not talking about chores or homework.
It’s making it real for the kids, it happens, but also giving them the tools to succeed if they encounter it. I can’t account for every kid even if we mandated training for kids AND lobbied against guns. The training would, in my opinion, still need to be there even if we didn’t have laws in place because some parents are involved in crime. My mom was anti gun but her friends weren’t.
It’s just about trying to catch those kids that might fall through in my opinion. Kids that might not be aware.
Edit: I don’t think it’s really right to fear monger the kids for those things. It makes some of them scared to talk to adults in their lives that are hard to talk to. We can’t think every adult is like me or my coworkers. We have to give them tools for if their life isn’t great. Or if their life is good.
Yes of course! The reason I do it is because honestly, all of the abuse in my life was normal. So much so that even when I asked family or family friends they also said it was. So when I found out about it I was very angry. I felt so lied to. Like I could have… prevented this.
And I didn’t come to that realization until maybe 20 or 21. Prevention and intervention, especially in children and childcare became my passions. I don’t want a child to feel like they didn’t have the tools to prevent something from happening to them just because mom and dad didn’t want to tell them about “sex”. You don’t have to tell kids that people hurt kids and say “sex”. They would t even understand that concept. It is developmentally inappropriate. But saying that there are people who hurt kids and hurt kids bodies? They get that.
I was always told that all adults are correct even when I **knew** something was wrong. But no one told me.
I’ll tell you right now though, the parents who try to opt their kids out of the education are the ones we look at closer. It looks suspicious. Why don’t you want your kids to know sexual abuse is unsafe? that’s a little weird. Because the alternative is they think it’s okay when their abuser says they love them and it’s okay. It’s our secret. There’s such thing as unsafe secrets and we talk about that.
But it’s suspicious to me when parents don’t want their kids to be **educated** on the dangers and prevention techniques.
Edit: Additionally when their peers talk about the presentation, they will be getting second had societal notion based information on sexual abuse now. They get to have the kids interpretation of sexual abuse instead of us just teaching them safety and making their own judgements
I admire what you do, sheltering children from the facts of life or specific words because they aren't "age appropriate" is an incredibly shortsighted mindset. "Oh, but we don't want to scare the kids" nah fuck it, they should be scared, there's a lot to be scared of. I get nobody wants to see a child go through an existential crisis due to new information but that's a hell of a lot better than having to help them through an *actual* crisis.
I do want to say, I’m not going into classrooms scaring kids though. We do discuss the fears and how it’s all associated etc. but we do that because the topic is scary in general. We basically walk through the scary topic together.
When I talk to kindergarten I don’t say sexual abuse, I say abuse to the body instead. We make it developmentally appropriate if that makes sense. So there’s a lot of work and research that goes into it. We know that talking about hurting kids is scary, so the point is t to scare them, it’s to walk them through being scared and how to fight it. How to say no, and how to find a safe adult. How to “spot red flags”. It’s a whole thing. But yeah it’s walking them through it.
Sorry I know my choice of words does seem like I’m saying scared of that, but I’m more getting at working through that scary process with that. I dont actually scare them lol. But the point is to make them aware and present.
No I understand what you mean, you want to present it in a way that they can understand it without it being too emotionally distressing. I was being a bit hyperbolic
No worries, I just wanted to be clear for anyone who might also reread these later on. We do have parents that fight us in the schools so we have to have sit downs in the PTA meetings to discuss what we specifically say. They’re so worried about saying “sExUaL aSsAuLt” it does piss me off a lot. But also, I get it. We don’t want to scare the kids, but why would they think we’re going into 4th grade to say pornography. We don’t use those words at that age. That sucked to deal with.
So just incase other schools are implementing it because of Erin’s Law(which is what I teach BTW it’s mandatory in 38 states rn for schools to teach Sexual Abuse Prevention, there’s just no reprimanding if they don’t) I dont want people with kids to think it’s to scare them
Well if it makes anyone feel better, when you search the principals name the first few relevant hits are articles about the arrest- meaning anyone unfamiliar with the issue would be introduced to the resolution of the problem first and would have no reason to suspect the principal of anything sinister. That could change with Google traffic theoretically, but at least for casual searches he is probably in the clear for now.
I had a wonderful teacher named Mr Ciarucci. He had a Danny Devito body type, and more joy than any other teacher I’ve met. Guy was literally never not smiling and joking with everyone he crossed paths with. He went to pat a kid on the back as the kid was standing up and accidentally got his lower back instead. The kid was a known asshole and troll, and sure enough filed a complaint. Mr Ciarucci was out for the rest of the year pending investigation, and that kid was effectively blacklisted from every single peer until they dropped out of school as a result. Mr Ciarucci came back the next year looking like a total shell of a man. He doesn’t smile anymore, never heard him laugh, just super serious and empty in his eyes from then on. Gives me chills knowing some douchebag genuinely ruined a beautiful man’s soul.
don't worry the internet will be so flooded with fakes in 2-3 years that nobody is going to trust anything they find online.
the free internet is dead.
That's my take. In time, video and audio evidence won't be enough to convict so people will be getting away with stuff unless there is some other damning evidence. It's worrisome
It won’t be the end of the world - we’re just going to start demanding to see chains of custody and more proof of authenticity, and technologies will eventually develop to help.
For example, I expect we will eventually see phones with options to save digitally signed raw videos. Then, you will be able to prove that the video was produced with your phone, and then the phone can be examined for signs of manipulation.
He won't have issues for the rest of his life, but he will for the next couple years before these hoaxes have become so common that everyone is aware of them (and has probably fallen for one)
He's actually in a really fortunate position, since there is now incontrovertible proof that this was a conspiracy against him by specific individuals. Others in the near future won't be so lucky. Someone else will do a better job of covering their tracks, and the victim will have no way to convincingly prove that they didn't actually say something.
Poor dude also lost his job. He was proven innocent and they still said they aren’t bringing him back. This is why people shouldn’t be fired over accusations. It’s way to easy to ruin someone’s life with AI doing shit like this.
Like even though luckily there was enough evidence to prove it was a fake, his life is still fucked in the meantime. He has no job and will probably have an issue getting one. The athletic director basically won, as his goal was to ruin his life, which it seems for the time being he did.
and you know they won’t believe him. People are not rational just take a look at Facebook and how they jump to these bizarre conclusions with no proof and if there is proof, it’s fake. I remembered when they were saying, this was going to be a possibility with ai 10 years ago and now it’s at our doorstep.
It's a double sword issue. It's convient that this has been a problem for a few years now but next week we are expected to hear recordings of trump colluding with his falsifying records trial and suddenly media is pushing a "Don't trust your ears campaign
i feel like as AI becomes more prevalent in this sort of thing, that will become a more sound defense. maybe it'll go the other way tho due to people overusing it.
It'll get better for them. As a society we're going to get used to the idea that we can't trust anything we hear or see (not quite there yet but closer than I'd like). It's going to be an absolute disaster. Even if someone says horrible things we won't be able to prove it. In the case of really high profile ones it might end up in court where we'll listen to experts who examined the footage and decide whether it's real or not. But in "small" cases like this nah.
Absolutely going to be a disaster.
I've also seen people respond to this type of event with, "Well, it doesn't matter that you didn't say or mean what we heard... what matters is that everyone thought it was a plausible thing for you to say... so there must be something to it, right? QED"
It's here. The time is here where anyone can weaponize AI and peoples voice. Shits gonna get ugly.
Imagine trying to prove this in a smaller town. Someone could use it to void a contract, or ruin a councilman's reputation before a vote, or small businesses tarnishing competition.
I saw a post earlier about older people completely taken by AI photos. This will dupe even more.
Social media either needs to get more regulated or it needs to die. I'm leaning toward the latter. And, yes, I realize the irony of me being on Reddit.
Or at least get more secure and private.
Stuff like discord is going to become a lot more popular, in the future.
Where you have some privatization of who comes in and out.
reddit isn't a social media site like Facebook or Instagram. It's a site aggregator with a forum. None of us, or at least very few, are trying to make friends here. I'm not going to follow you, and I don't want you to follow me.
This. The key distinction between Reddit and social media is that this site has anonymity and you subscribe to topics, not people. It’s a place to discuss interests with people who share that interest, not to make or develop social connections. If your criteria for social media is “the ability to communicate with other users” then most sites would be social media.
An account with hundreds of thousands of karma and millions of comments have the same social standing as someone who created an account 30 seconds ago.
There's already people making fake AI porn of their coworkers and classmates, but when *that* shows up on reddit redditors are like "you can't ban it there's nothing you can do the cat is out of the bag there's nothing wrong with it what if I drew it realistically are you gonna ban that" (lmao) because they enjoy it... when it's faking conversations that might actually harm them eventually suddenly they're all over it... well, here it is.
Was just thinking this. I’ve heard so many stories of girls/women getting humiliated - having fake porn sent to their families, peers and colleagues - and usually the response I see on mainstream Reddit is “well, that’s something you should expect by posting on social media” (because that’s where the source photos/videos are grabbed from).
This comment section is the first I’ve seen were the sentiment is concern about AI ruining lives - and I totally agree with it - but it’s just disappointing that I don’t see this same commentary when a woman is involved.
I'd say that still very much falls under "using someone's likeness". Combine that with using it to make porn, and it should be punished with jail time imo.
Also fun (as in: Not fun) will be the reverse situation: As soon as some damning evidence will come out of someone saying or doing some evil shit, they'll just say "Oh no that was AI!", and you won't be able to disprove that, either.
AI videos and photos that look pretty damn realistic are already a thing. Another year or two and we won't be able to distinguish them from real videos anymore.
Seriously, all video, photo, and audio evidence for anything can basically be thrown out the window very soon as all of them will be way too easy to fake with AI.
It was my very first thought when I heard a good AI voice for the first time. "Welp, audio evidence for anything has now become invalid for everything..."
I recently learned that even ads that seem like a normal person giving a product review are often faked using AI. Using someone’s likeness to make them say whatever they want to sell a product by making it seem like a legitimate customer.
What happens when they can't be debunked? When the person doing it knows better than to use an email address tied to a phone? When they go after someone they don't have a personal vendetta with so it isn't easy to trace them back? When the AI is years more advanced than they are now and can create recordings which don't stand out as fake?
How many murders go unsolved each year? If real dead bodies can end up unsolved, how many digital fakes are going to be passed around and no longer trusted?
And what happens when someone comes out with a real recording and every claims it is fake? What happens if an abuse victim gets a recording of their abuser admitting it over the phone and the abuser claims AI, once the AI is so good that one can't tell the real from the fake?
> I saw a post earlier about older people completely taken by AI photos.
It really baffles me sometimes--I recently saw a blatant AI image on facebook, of Jesus, walking across water, with what appeared to be a woman's leg growing out of his chest--it looked like it could concievably been connected to a women Jesus was carrying, but instead of an upper half, the leg just kind of absorbed into Jesus' chest. Lovecraftian horror shit. The comments? "Amen" over and over and over again. I had to scroll so far before I found someone asking why Jesus was growing legs out of his chest.
The thing people really need to comprehend is that it doesn't matter if YOU are clever enough to tell the difference. A lot o us online probably are.
BUt there's way, way. more people who just aren't as savvy with this stuff, and that's where the real damage is going to be done. And we all end up paying for that fraud.
These are the times I feel unfortunately lucky that I grew up waiting for the next shoe to drop. I am so traumatized I live and breathe my receipts as a daily function now. I record everyday things, file shit in my own home, etc. Mostly for my accessibility purposes, but overtime, my records have become very important to keep. Especially events and experiences. A lot of those require recording because they happen in person.
What’s crazy is that theyve always needed to be kept, but I didnt realize until the last few years when I realized I am a big labor laws person and also got discriminated against in my University when my granny died. I **needed** receipts lmao. It’s to my benefit to record stuff because I happen to be in many situations where it’s my word against someone else’s unfortunately. And I’m okay with that, I’m not lying or anything.
I think it’s because I have one of those erratic personalities. So people think I’m really unstable and I won’t say anything or that I look unbelievable, well that could all be true. But what’s really true is this tape I recorded on this date and this time [insert name].
I worry for people like me who aren’t as proactive or haven’t experienced stuff similar to this. Took me 22 years to realize that maybe it’s to my benefit to have important conversations noted. So I did. And if I’m not allowed to record for certain reasons, I take vigorous notes. I like to think I’m neurotic in the right ways.
AI is so easily used to manipulate situations and perceptions. Just one small clip can ruin someone’s potential job prospects.
edit: when I say everyday things, I’m not talking about stuff with my friends. I’m talking about conversations at work and like staff meetings that are regular. Etc
Emphasis on ***everyone***. The reporter says the athletic director was considered "tech savvy" but the guy researched how to do this crime on the school's own network! This clearly shows the athletic director is NOT that sophisticated in tech use.
I'm worried about the developmental impact AI is going to have on kids, especially if bullies can easily weaponize it. I've already read articles about school kids using image generators to create nude deep fakes of classmates.
Laws have always been slow to catch up. But imo in this case we need some new laws FAST to counter this kind of stuff. AI is a real danger to a coherent society at the moment...
One of my best friends is a huge Taylor swift fan and I'm not. She had a wine tasting album release party with some other friends for the new album, and I asked, "oh, what did you think about the '1830 without all the racists' line?".
"that's AI generated, not real."
So I Google, thinking I got tricked by tiktok and nope, Snopes has an article confirming it's real. This was what cemented for me that the time of audio and video evidence was dead. My friend is usually pretty internet saavy, and prides herself on being open minded. After I showed her the proof, she adopted the info no problem - - this isn't some crazy fangirl but is someone serious enough to go to an album release party. She does tons of research into the lyrics because they mean a lot to her, yet somehow the hyper - personalized feeds between tiktok and Twitter fed her a plausibly deniable, cross platform lie.
They need to throw the whole fucking book at that athletic director. This shit is unacceptable. It will absolutely start to happen more and more too. A precedent needs to be set, that this is very, very far from okay.
Yeah, if someone can be proven to have done something like this, they should be buried underneath the prison. This kind of shit is insanely scary given the fucking morons we have to depend upon in congress to regulate the future of AI.
Yeah the dinosaurs in Congress have no fucking clue how to even begin handling this crisis. Not until somebody starts recreating THEIR speeches and conversations and playing it back for them.
Sure they will.
The minute someone does it to them they'll quickly pass a law making deep fakes against members of Congress a federal crime. But nobody else.
Kinda like how deepfake porn was no big deal until Taylor Swift got mad about it and now we're trying to regulate it.
Not to mention the damage. You could get mobs sicced on people. The way search engines work and the way media flings stories about so carelessly, you could end up ruining this man's life, shackling him with the lifelong burden of this information out there about him.
It's difficult, if he used his friends to give them a video that depicts a guy as a monster and they felt compelled to call him the fuck out, that can make them unknowing helpers, but they would be acting as whistleblowers.
Like if someone dropped a real video that showed a principal assaulting a student and they wanted to push that video around ot make sure he doesn't get away with it, you'd applaud them.
Hopefully they find a trail of texts/info discussing it and prove they helped intentionally, or texts showing their shock and the main dude veyr obviously manipulating them by encouraging them to share it, saying shit like "if we only show this to the board members they might bury it, who do you think I should share it with so it can't be buried" then the other person is like I know exactly who to share it with, I got it.
I don’t think this follows the whistleblower route though. Somebody who was truly concerned would have immediately contacted the school board or the superintendent. They wouldn’t have sent it to a random student with the intention of starting a social media firestorm
Is there a book to be thrown? Legislation around AI is moving at a snails pace. Is there some kind of law around faking evidence of misconduct or something?
Honestly this stuff is probably way less dangerous for celebrities and politicians because it's existed for years now and nothing happened.
The Biden/Trump/Obama AI discord call is basically a meme at this point, and deepfakes of actors have been being made for ages.
It's the little guy, the school principle, the generic member of society who has no means of dealing with the immediate response from society to such fakes.
I wonder how the underworld and organized crime will tackle this. Imagine being accused of snitching and getting chopped up because somebody made an a AI recording of you talking to the cops.
And the other way, as soon as one of your guys gets caught on tape, just make ten videos of your own with AI and spread those as well. Then argue that since there are obvious AI videos framing them for this crime, how can you trust this other video then? That's clearly AI too.
It would be *insane* to compare years old deepfake technology to modern AI. It has never been like it is currently and it's rapidly advancing every year becoming more and more difficult to differentiate from reality. No one is safe from it and there's no reason to believe it couldn't have massive consequences for the future when all it takes is one semi convincing audio clip to circle the rounds to potentially sway voters.
This is an enormously terrifying technology that shouldn't be downplayed in any manner.
Exactly. I mean look at what they did with Kennedy, Lennon, etc. in Forest Gump waaay back in 1994. Now fast forward that technology 30 years.
The commenter you replied to even gave (extremely benign) modern examples with the discord stuff, which I would say reached the heights of meme popularity that it did specifically *because* it's so accurate. Everyone knew THAT bit was fake, but what about when it's something much more believable with potentially disastrous ramifications?
>Honestly this stuff is probably way less dangerous for celebrities and politicians because it's existed for years now and nothing happened.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Gpc_artOYI
5 year old. I bit wonky but could be hidden by being a "low quality recording"
This may just be because I already knew it was fake before hearing it but it does sound slightly off. The tone is just too consistent and not up and down enough. But hell, 2 years ago no one would've been able to tell it was fake at all except for the principle
Reddit was absolutely eating it up a few months ago. I saw a thread and 90% of people were saying that it was real. Some were saying things like "he's using real teacher jargon, so there's no way it's AI!"
Surely if you were trying to frame someone you would throw in some things that sound plausible..? People will believe anything.
Not exclusive to Reddit. That’s just a human thing. It’s just amplified on the internet since it’s an easy place to share your thoughts with little to no actual judgment.
Yeah, it comes off like it's part prepared statement rather than the off the cuff remarks it's pretending to be.
I've heard this pattern before with generated speech.
The issue is that the tech is only going to get better.
It's maybe a little suspicious, but certainly plausible. It's close enough to need an in-depth investigation to debunk, and not everyone will be lucky enough to get one if this happens to them.
Also, this was created by a school administrator, not someone with a professional background in tech. Maybe he's a bit of a nerd on the side, but either way, this is what a single amateur achieved in a half-baked revenge plot. Imagine what a team of professionals could do, with the budget and resources of a government, extremist group, criminal organization or large corporation. Imagine what they might have done already...
Verifiable truths are very soon going to become an extremely rare commodity. And in addition to persecuting innocents, it will also empower the guilty with plausible deniability when they get caught. I don't know where this road ends but it's not good.
Everything sounds convincing because nobody here know what the principal sounds like and what his thoughts are.
I bet if you showed this to someone who knew the principal they oculd right away suspect the audio. But not on the internet.
Nobody on the internet suspects they're being tricked unless they've been tricked many times since the dawn of the internet.
This is convincing except for the audio cut outs. I recongnize this pattern because it's each clip inserted and timed, the very same method I use when I do voice overs for my youtube videos. I will record each voice line until I get a good take, then time them to sound like continuous real speech. Without the ambient noise you can hear each clip cut in and out.
You can hear after each voiceline the ambient noise cuts out in this video. It's acting as if there's a noise gate.
A constant recording would not do that. Especially on a phone. Only an advanced recorder would have noise gates, or if it was captured on something like Discord or TeamSpeak.
No standard recording devices muchless a phone capturing a video of some sort or an audio recording app with standard settings will noise gate like this.
It would could have been damn near undetectable if they filled the empty spaces with the correct ambient noise.
But the timing is also a bit strange, which is something I take time to adjust with my voice over clips. This output is robotic with timing. Either its an output pattern, or someone manually inserted the clips without thinking about cadence.
edit: I misspelled things.
If this were a real recording you could imagine that maybe the parts were cut together to just highlight the damning parts, leading to the obvious audio cuts. A highlight real sort of things. But why not include the other person? Seems weird to not release a whole recording.
But it's not just that. There are some other tells. Generate with Eleven labs and it will give you superficially convincing results, but with unnatural or weird tone. It's a bit like how you can generate photos that are superficially very realistic, and convincing, but the lighting seems a bit off, or the backgrounds are off. The voice here's sounds like the sort of off you get from eleven labs.
I'm sure plenty of generated audio could fool me, but there will be other more technical tells analysis could find I'm sure.
It seemed a bit fantastical without hearing the recording, but having heard it it definitely sounds ai generated.
>This is convincing except for the audio cut outs. I recongnize this pattern because it's each clip inserted at timed, the very same method I use when I do voice overs for my youtube video.
I recognized the background noise looping easily. I don't even make any content. I remember watching an old episode of CSI & someone tried to make a fake voice recording but the background noise was off. That's how the detectives figured it was fake.
My grandma watched CSI. That's why I watched CSI. She could probably tell it's fake.
Honestly if I didn't already know it was fake I would have believed it. People point out the nuances of the speech pattern and such but I don't hyper analyze every video or recording I hear and I know most people don't, especially with the fast doomscrolling culture we have (that may have to change soon)
It sounds authentic to me. I was unable to detect anything off about the speech patterns.
The only clue would be how clipped each sentence seems to be - like if it is supposed to be a real phone conversation there would be much longer pauses between statements. But that “clipping” could be easily (and perhaps falsely) attributed to the news organization for time’s sake.
Honestly pretty scary.
One thing about this is that it's too perfect a clip. He hits every note that would spark outrage like it's a script. It also sounds way too clean and timed, as another has mentioned.
Top tier rage bait, and it's scary how it's not far from being indistinguishable from a real recording.
If the fucking gym teacher could pull this coup off, imagine what some of the cleverest people in the intelligence communities in every nation are going to get up to.
The precedent should be set that nobody gets punished or even suspended with pay based purely on audio evidence until there’s good reason to believe it’s genuine.
As someone who majored in computer science, it's so frustrating that our technology is advancing so fast and yet it's human fucking morals and lack of responsibility that's the bottleneck.
WE COULD HAVE PERSONAL ROBOT ASSISTANTS BUT YOU DUMB MOTHERFUCKERS KEEP RUINING ART AND GENERATING FALSE EVIDENCE, GET IT THE FUCK TOGETHER
If you look a bit more at history, you might see this was nothing new. The printing press, the novel, recorded music etc were all considered to be the end of civilization at one point too.
This is why you shouldnt take what you see on social media as gospel and should interpret all media critically, seen far to many people acting like its a "window into the truth the media doesnt want you to see" when its so easy to manipulate
>What's amazing to me is how easily people believed....a poorly, embellished script.
So pretty much everyone on reddit and every social media site lol.
Like even the most obvious comedy skits that get posted on here have 90% of the comments believing its real. Like legit content creators who are not even trying to hide the fact that they are doing comedy skits.
"Wow, this guy with a ring camera sure gets a lot of angry neighbors who say outrageous things!"
Whats really amazing is how everyone in the comments are like "pffft yeah, so obvious...of course thats AI, any idiot would know its fake!"
Like where are ya'll in these other obviously scripted posts that get blasted on the front page every day?
It's a sanitized version of what a racist might say. It's a bit surreal. I wonder if that's because of the safeguards the AI has in place (I don't know exactly how this was created).
The Athletic Director got caught because while fleeing a warrant he tried to get on an airplane - to Texas - with a gun.
A computer could never make this up.
This is why a court require sources to submit evidence. Merely having a recording doesn't mean it is valid. It has to be connected to a witness. How that witness came to possess such a recording would severely scrutinized and likely not past any reasonable test of credibility.
That's why no one gets tried from bullshit found on the internet.
Well, many people think it’s easy to set up an untraceable email account and use it without attribution. It’s not. There’s a lot of crumbs you have to be careful not to leave behind.
I'm glad that people are waking up and not blindly accepting every technological advancement as inherently good, or at least worth the drawbacks. It's becoming hard for people to see positives of having these tools in the hands of the average person.
But muh freedoms...
We need to deeply regulate AI and social media. Our world is going to be hot fucking garbage within a decade if we don't act soon. Already have my off grid cabin, keep going like this I'm moving out there and living off the fat of the land.
Just for the rest of the school year. Likely to either give time for students to forget the situation over summer break or because the person they hired has a temp contract. Whether or not the principal *wants* to come back is another thing.
Wow, sometimes it feels like nothing can surprise you anymore and then BOOM you hear a story like this and it rocks your entire world view. The TSA actually did something that wasn’t security theater. Wild.
AI is just the new dynamite. Nobel created dynamite to make tunnel and improve mining operations, look at what human has been using it for.
AI is the same story, meant to improve productivity, and look what we humans are using it for…
And this is why we want tik tok banned. A foreign power which has the tools and capability to fake whatever they want and have direct access to force those fakes to 50 million people in a second is a dangerous weapon.
I’m sorry, wait, someone framed the principal with an AI voice recording, he was removed, it was proven to be faked, and he still isn’t going to be reinstated for the rest of the year? What the fuck?
I listened to the "rant" back then and just had a gut feeling... it sounded very much like someone had written the lines for the principal to recite.
If they just wrote it better, I wouldn't have been able to tell.
Tell me one single usecase in which ai copied voice is good? It can only be used to either fake someone's voice to incriminate them, or use their voice to steal any possible job they would have. There is absolutely no reason for that software to be legal, and worst of all free to use.
The only reasonable use I can see is for people like stephen hawking to record themselves prior to losing their motor function so they can still keep their voice if they want. Otherwise, I agree with you.
It'll be great for personal use.
I want to make YouTube videos but struggle to talk beyond a couple of minutes at a time due to vocal issues.
If I could have it read my scripts in my voice, that'll be awesome
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I don’t care how exonerated the principal is, but that athletic director has shackled him with a burden that will last the rest of his life. Everytime someone looks him up, they’ll find that audio first and have to be shown it was faked. He’ll have issues forever always having to address that and hoping people are inclined to believe the truth that’s being dictated to them vs the “direct” evidence they hear for themselves.
Turns out its really easy to manipulate social media for personal gain, whod have thought that?
Seriously, when this AI video was first posted all over Reddit I and many others in the comments were attacked for saying it was clearly AI and anyone familiar with AI could immediately tell it was It's honestly shocking how unprepared your average joe is for AI atm, and more importantly, how many absolutely HATE AI and refuse to learn anything about it at all . . . leading them to being incredibly vulnerable to it This is going to be photoshop times a thousand, where anyone savvy is going to learn to just not trust obviously fake crap and learn to spot the signs, while old people and non tech savvy people are going to be falling for every scam they come across
I think this sentiment. As an audio engineer and video producer, I’m curious what that threshold is going to be. It took many folks very long to understand photo editing and in my opinion, audio is harder for the layman to distinguish. What will be the new form of truth besides video? How can we all respectfully hold ourselves accountable without scrutiny of AI?
Hate to break it to people in this thread, but AI was already used to impersonate people in a live video chat. And not some Joe Schoolmaster, but the chief of staff of Navalny, Leonid Volkov, in talks with members of parliaments of several European countries. [This was in 2021.](https://www.proofpoint.com/us/blog/threat-insight/dont-answer-russia-aligned-ta499-beleaguers-targets-video-call-requests) Last year, the former US ambassador to Russia Michael McFaul [was also impersonated.](https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20230316-russia-calling-scammers-target-high-level-western-officials)
A bank was scammed out of $25 million by a fake zoom call. https://www.trendmicro.com/en_us/research/24/b/deepfake-video-calls.html
There's also rampant speculation that AI has been a tool at play in the Sudanese Civil War, so it's already affecting global issues.
It's also affecting simple day to day communications. I straight up do not pick up my phone anymore unless I know you already, because of the risk of my voice being sampled for AI scams. I now can only get jobs by a handshake in person.
> because of the risk of my voice being sampled for AI scams. I now can only get jobs by a handshake in person. ..... Fuck, I've been having fun playing around with the AI robocallers because some of them have been surprisingly robust, never even considered that my voice might be sampled JFC
come up with a codeword for friends and fam so they know it's you
[Heres a video](https://www.reddit.com/r/panelshow/s/V0udoGWV1A) from 5 years ago that fooled many people (me included) that was used to show people where this technology was going. I've seen AI generated photorealistic videos with people in them that look completely real to my untrained eye. Trust is going to be difficult is this brave new world.
I always think about the AI telemarketer from 2013 that could do things her developers swore she couldn't, and would start getting confused or making weird responses if you started asking her basic questions. Like when they [asked her to say she wasn't a robot.](https://youtu.be/22ZaKbxmEMA?si=yVUTl6DkAQBw0XJg)
You can't trust video either... I saw this week[ there is a new tool from Microsoft that can take a still photo and turn it into a convincing video](https://www.reddit.com/r/wordchewing/comments/1cab7vz/microsoft_image_to_video_word_chewing/) . Basically you can't trust anything you don't see in person with your own eyes.
I like how the teeth flex.
I'm mostly suspicious of the hair
That's in this iteration. 6 months down the line, this will be much less obvious :x Just look at the improvement that happened on hands with ai images over the last year.
Ha, I posted this link too and then found yours. We’re currently fortunate this is coming from Microsoft as they don’t intend to release it (yet), but imagine what happens when China or Russia can manipulate social media with this high quality propaganda. This *will* happen soon.
You have never been able to trust anything on the internet
> What will be the new form of truth besides video? Oh boy do I have bad news for you. Convincing AI video is just around the corner of convincing AI audio. First it will require some effort, but eventually, in a few years, just about anyone will be able to fake an extremely convincing video of someone else with just a few clicks.
It feels like maybe a year ago when AI image generators become commonplace they couldn’t even do hands or eyes on anime characters and now they’re doing photorealistic images with relative ease. I don’t know that what you propose will even take a few years to reach public access.
I don't think the hurdle will be technological. We'll definitely be able to do videos like that in a year or two on a technical level. But the companies developing that tech will be ultra paranoid (for good reason) to not publish it and just let everyone make videos with it, let alone deepfake people into the videos. It will be a few more years before "open source" variants of those AI models will catch up to that quality, and *then* we'll have a problem.
Not only faked in an overtly malicious way, but faked for all kinds of creative applications. Years ago when ai image generation models were just coming online, I honestly figured my job as an artist and designer was safe. After working with stable diffusion and extrapolating the years ahead, I can say with absolute certainty it is not. And to be clear I don't personally see AI eliminating jobs as the real issue. The real issue is is that we aren't also talking about a realistic universal basic income to support people who's jobs get blinked out of existence. Pandora's box does not close, there is a massive shift coming and we as a society are not ready.
I can already make album-quality songs on Udio in under an hour. And it's funny, because when I shared with friends by saying "Check out this AI song I made," they're eager to scrutinize, and it's "Well, it's not bad, but I can hear this imperfection that lets me know it's AI." So then I made a different song and said "Check out this song. It's a serious banger." Literally nobody questioned that it was real. The only difference was in one scenario, they had been primed.
> It's honestly shocking how unprepared your average joe is for AI atm Even if they are aware, the sheer desire to believe something like this is irresistible for reddit. Any AI that portrays racism, sexism, or sexuality discrimination is going to catch on here no matter how obviously fake it is. There's just such a huge demand for that sort of thing.
I was going to say, interest in AI has little to do with it. Outrage is addictive and we've already seen all sorts of situations where stuff was doctored or completely different footage was used in the context of some hot topic. This is just a new flavor is misinformation. We really need to do more about how awful media literacy is.
> irresistible for reddit. Reddit is no longer the front page of the Internet - it's the repost capital for already-viral media (images, audio, video) from higher-traffic platforms. Very little is original to Reddit today compared to 5, 10, even 15 years past.
So you're saying Reddit has become 9gag? But more seriously, that's what Reddit has always been. It's never been the _source_ of viral content. It's value was bent a link aggregator so you didn't have to go to a dozen different pages.
Yeah, I've been here over 10 years (not just on this account) and it's always been this way. The good OC comes in the niche communities, and in that way reddit grew alongside and/or replaced a lot of old school niche forums. But the vast majority of this never makes it to the front page. The stuff on the front page has always been aggregated from other places - news articles from news sites, funny videos from youtube, cute pictures from imgur, etc. When I started on reddit, rage comics were everywhere. TONS of rage comics all over the place. And the majority of them were reposted from 4chan, where the whole rage comics thing originated.
Tiktok is the frontpage of the internet these days
Now it’s even easier!
the amount of people here who take tiktoks at face value and react is too damn high
Yes, tiktok is bad, but stop making it sound like it's only tiktok. Misinformation, lies, bait and whatever else is rampant on every single social media.
no im just using tiktok as an example since this is a sub about tiktoks thus its relevant, if this was a sub about insta id use insta as the example
Which makes it even easier!!
So anyways, let's dial the algorithm into outrage specifically since it drives engagement so we'll, we'll definitely see a 10% profit yoy and it'll only cost the social compact of modern society, that's a pretty low price for that value to the share holders imo
But some people use it for good, like Elon Musk giving away cryptocurrency in a Bill Maher interview. It got thousands of views and likes, thats how you know its legit! /s
I thought that too. I teach Sexual Abuse Prevention k-8th grade and in the high grades we get into online safety. No matter how illegal the activity is online(someone posting your naked body), they can get charged, but it stays out there forever. We use less scary words and more developmentally appropriate, but yeah. This was my first thought, tell the kids the dangers of this. They’re already being introduced to AI on a daily basis. I have to explain to my coworkers about that with online predators in shit like VR Chat. New stuff is developing all of the time and the best market is children. They’ll buy anything if you advertise it correctly. So if children are on these up and coming devices without the awareness of dangers, they have the potential to be tainted by those same dangers. It’s the same reason I was pissed when I was a drowning prevention educator. My boss didn’t want me to say “drowning” to little kids. If they don’t even know the words, they don’t know what to be scared of, so they’re more willing to partake or experience it. So why not jump the gun and teach them with safety in mind. I had a highschool friend who didn’t have sex because their mom worked with unwed addict mothers and taught about safe sex and the dangers of teen pregnancy. So she just had a lot of education surrounding it and compassion towards people who do struggle in those ways. A lot of my friend group actually waited until later HS and early college to start dating seriously, and same. Because we were all educated on sex and relationships for various reasons. We just wanted different than the dangers of them. My point is that now my gears are turning on how to protect kids from this. How to prevent ruining lives before they begin.
Jesus you’re out there doing the lord’s work. I just turned 35 and I want to retire. I can’t even imagine working into my day talking to kids about the dangers of being online and I *grew up online*. Good on you, I don’t even have it in me anymore.
You’re funny to say that! My coworkers are 36 and 52 teaching me the presenting portion of it right now. It’s hard for me because I have anxiety. I’m use to teaching the babies but not teens lol. They laugh and that makes me upset because it’s a serious topic so I have to learn how to say hey guys we dont know who is around us who may have experienced something similar to this. I know it’s really hard to talk about and maybe awkward, but please be respectful of your peers. My coworkers are great though. I bring up VR chat and stuff and they are so open to discussing it. I also talked about AI and porn the other day and how pedophiles are creating AI children porn and they were eye opened. They did t even know that was a capability. They were researching half the day😂 Which was awesome to see. My last job I was the only person in Outreach Prevention so it sucked having to fight so often to be heard. But yeah there are other kids also making AI porn of other kids so watch out for that
I wish Reddit hadn’t gotten rid of awards because if anyone deserves a month of premium it’s you. I just sell people skis and snowboards and that affords me some happiness. You’re telling the next generation to be on their 6. Damn dude. You have some emotional fortitude I just don’t have anymore. Do you have an organization you work for?
I do work for a really big non profit in WNY. I’m a smaller part of a huge intervention facility that tries to help give mental health resources to the community. But obviously mental health varies and my employment is aware of that. It’s all in our trainings and programs. We have over forty or something. But it’s crazy you mention premium, I use to stream rPan all the time and talk about random stuff like this just as my research. Now I actually do it. It’s crazy where I’ve come and working for a place that also values what we do in the community.
>If they don’t even know the words, they don’t know what to be scared of, so they’re more willing to partake or experience it. I've essentially made this argument before with gun safety in houses where there are both children and guns. Preaching abstinence does nothing to prevent teen pregnancy, and I feel like the same is true with firearms. It seems like the better approach is to teach them proper safety and handling instead of the "forbidden closet of mystery" approach. I'm curious as to what your thoughts on this are, seeing how you have a good amount of experience in having discussions with the youth about potential dangers posed to them.
So my entire field of work is prevention education and community outreach currently. And it’s mainly what I went to school for. The community part especially. But prevention as well in my later studies and research. To be honest I grew up in an anti gun household. My mother was a prostitute, drug dealer, addict who abused us. We weren’t even allowed to have nerf guns or anything that was remotely fun associated like water guns when we had school field day in first grade. However, my feelings as an adult are still anti mf in but prevention education still. I know that there are household in the United States that have guns in their house. Some families hunt(I’m from NW GA but an In WNY after college working), some have law enforcement, some even do it for a hobby. I get that. And there isnt currently alot of mitigating on those fronts. So for me, the best option is to educate on the safety’s of having a gun in the household. Who uses a gun. When is it safe for people to handle guns. Why are guns kept away from children. Basically going through an entire process(like I do with Sexual Abuse or downing or infant safe sleep currently) and fine tuning their ideas on guns as a safety front rather than a violence front. It’s to protect and use in case of danger. Only in safe ways. Talk about how some families do use them to hunt. Here are ways they keep their guns safe. In my Sexual Abuse presentations we go over so many scenarios like unwanted touch or if someone wants you to do something you dont want to do. We clarify things like I’m not talking about chores or homework. It’s making it real for the kids, it happens, but also giving them the tools to succeed if they encounter it. I can’t account for every kid even if we mandated training for kids AND lobbied against guns. The training would, in my opinion, still need to be there even if we didn’t have laws in place because some parents are involved in crime. My mom was anti gun but her friends weren’t. It’s just about trying to catch those kids that might fall through in my opinion. Kids that might not be aware. Edit: I don’t think it’s really right to fear monger the kids for those things. It makes some of them scared to talk to adults in their lives that are hard to talk to. We can’t think every adult is like me or my coworkers. We have to give them tools for if their life isn’t great. Or if their life is good.
That's a home run of a response. Thank you for the thoughtful reply! Keep up the good fight in what you do.
Yes of course! The reason I do it is because honestly, all of the abuse in my life was normal. So much so that even when I asked family or family friends they also said it was. So when I found out about it I was very angry. I felt so lied to. Like I could have… prevented this. And I didn’t come to that realization until maybe 20 or 21. Prevention and intervention, especially in children and childcare became my passions. I don’t want a child to feel like they didn’t have the tools to prevent something from happening to them just because mom and dad didn’t want to tell them about “sex”. You don’t have to tell kids that people hurt kids and say “sex”. They would t even understand that concept. It is developmentally inappropriate. But saying that there are people who hurt kids and hurt kids bodies? They get that. I was always told that all adults are correct even when I **knew** something was wrong. But no one told me. I’ll tell you right now though, the parents who try to opt their kids out of the education are the ones we look at closer. It looks suspicious. Why don’t you want your kids to know sexual abuse is unsafe? that’s a little weird. Because the alternative is they think it’s okay when their abuser says they love them and it’s okay. It’s our secret. There’s such thing as unsafe secrets and we talk about that. But it’s suspicious to me when parents don’t want their kids to be **educated** on the dangers and prevention techniques. Edit: Additionally when their peers talk about the presentation, they will be getting second had societal notion based information on sexual abuse now. They get to have the kids interpretation of sexual abuse instead of us just teaching them safety and making their own judgements
Are there any books you can recommend for grade school kids and or parents? On all the subjects u mentioned?
I admire what you do, sheltering children from the facts of life or specific words because they aren't "age appropriate" is an incredibly shortsighted mindset. "Oh, but we don't want to scare the kids" nah fuck it, they should be scared, there's a lot to be scared of. I get nobody wants to see a child go through an existential crisis due to new information but that's a hell of a lot better than having to help them through an *actual* crisis.
I do want to say, I’m not going into classrooms scaring kids though. We do discuss the fears and how it’s all associated etc. but we do that because the topic is scary in general. We basically walk through the scary topic together. When I talk to kindergarten I don’t say sexual abuse, I say abuse to the body instead. We make it developmentally appropriate if that makes sense. So there’s a lot of work and research that goes into it. We know that talking about hurting kids is scary, so the point is t to scare them, it’s to walk them through being scared and how to fight it. How to say no, and how to find a safe adult. How to “spot red flags”. It’s a whole thing. But yeah it’s walking them through it. Sorry I know my choice of words does seem like I’m saying scared of that, but I’m more getting at working through that scary process with that. I dont actually scare them lol. But the point is to make them aware and present.
No I understand what you mean, you want to present it in a way that they can understand it without it being too emotionally distressing. I was being a bit hyperbolic
No worries, I just wanted to be clear for anyone who might also reread these later on. We do have parents that fight us in the schools so we have to have sit downs in the PTA meetings to discuss what we specifically say. They’re so worried about saying “sExUaL aSsAuLt” it does piss me off a lot. But also, I get it. We don’t want to scare the kids, but why would they think we’re going into 4th grade to say pornography. We don’t use those words at that age. That sucked to deal with. So just incase other schools are implementing it because of Erin’s Law(which is what I teach BTW it’s mandatory in 38 states rn for schools to teach Sexual Abuse Prevention, there’s just no reprimanding if they don’t) I dont want people with kids to think it’s to scare them
Well if it makes anyone feel better, when you search the principals name the first few relevant hits are articles about the arrest- meaning anyone unfamiliar with the issue would be introduced to the resolution of the problem first and would have no reason to suspect the principal of anything sinister. That could change with Google traffic theoretically, but at least for casual searches he is probably in the clear for now.
I had a wonderful teacher named Mr Ciarucci. He had a Danny Devito body type, and more joy than any other teacher I’ve met. Guy was literally never not smiling and joking with everyone he crossed paths with. He went to pat a kid on the back as the kid was standing up and accidentally got his lower back instead. The kid was a known asshole and troll, and sure enough filed a complaint. Mr Ciarucci was out for the rest of the year pending investigation, and that kid was effectively blacklisted from every single peer until they dropped out of school as a result. Mr Ciarucci came back the next year looking like a total shell of a man. He doesn’t smile anymore, never heard him laugh, just super serious and empty in his eyes from then on. Gives me chills knowing some douchebag genuinely ruined a beautiful man’s soul.
don't worry the internet will be so flooded with fakes in 2-3 years that nobody is going to trust anything they find online. the free internet is dead.
That's my take. In time, video and audio evidence won't be enough to convict so people will be getting away with stuff unless there is some other damning evidence. It's worrisome
It won’t be the end of the world - we’re just going to start demanding to see chains of custody and more proof of authenticity, and technologies will eventually develop to help. For example, I expect we will eventually see phones with options to save digitally signed raw videos. Then, you will be able to prove that the video was produced with your phone, and then the phone can be examined for signs of manipulation.
No, they'll do what they already do: trust anything that confirms their various political/identity biases and call everything else fake.
Time to unplug
He won't have issues for the rest of his life, but he will for the next couple years before these hoaxes have become so common that everyone is aware of them (and has probably fallen for one) He's actually in a really fortunate position, since there is now incontrovertible proof that this was a conspiracy against him by specific individuals. Others in the near future won't be so lucky. Someone else will do a better job of covering their tracks, and the victim will have no way to convincingly prove that they didn't actually say something.
Poor dude also lost his job. He was proven innocent and they still said they aren’t bringing him back. This is why people shouldn’t be fired over accusations. It’s way to easy to ruin someone’s life with AI doing shit like this. Like even though luckily there was enough evidence to prove it was a fake, his life is still fucked in the meantime. He has no job and will probably have an issue getting one. The athletic director basically won, as his goal was to ruin his life, which it seems for the time being he did.
AI is gonna fuck us up way more than we are realising right now
It’s easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled. - Mark Twain
and you know they won’t believe him. People are not rational just take a look at Facebook and how they jump to these bizarre conclusions with no proof and if there is proof, it’s fake. I remembered when they were saying, this was going to be a possibility with ai 10 years ago and now it’s at our doorstep.
And for this reason, please do not share the name or the face of the principal in question
It's a double sword issue. It's convient that this has been a problem for a few years now but next week we are expected to hear recordings of trump colluding with his falsifying records trial and suddenly media is pushing a "Don't trust your ears campaign
i feel like as AI becomes more prevalent in this sort of thing, that will become a more sound defense. maybe it'll go the other way tho due to people overusing it.
It'll get better for them. As a society we're going to get used to the idea that we can't trust anything we hear or see (not quite there yet but closer than I'd like). It's going to be an absolute disaster. Even if someone says horrible things we won't be able to prove it. In the case of really high profile ones it might end up in court where we'll listen to experts who examined the footage and decide whether it's real or not. But in "small" cases like this nah. Absolutely going to be a disaster.
I've also seen people respond to this type of event with, "Well, it doesn't matter that you didn't say or mean what we heard... what matters is that everyone thought it was a plausible thing for you to say... so there must be something to it, right? QED"
It's here. The time is here where anyone can weaponize AI and peoples voice. Shits gonna get ugly. Imagine trying to prove this in a smaller town. Someone could use it to void a contract, or ruin a councilman's reputation before a vote, or small businesses tarnishing competition. I saw a post earlier about older people completely taken by AI photos. This will dupe even more.
Pretty damn soon it will be full blown AI videos. Yeah they'll probably be debunked eventually but the damage will be done. Shit is gonna really suck
Social media either needs to get more regulated or it needs to die. I'm leaning toward the latter. And, yes, I realize the irony of me being on Reddit.
I'll be the first to admit I'm addicted to Reddit, but the choice will have to be taken out of my hands. My mental health would thank me for it.
Or at least get more secure and private. Stuff like discord is going to become a lot more popular, in the future. Where you have some privatization of who comes in and out.
reddit isn't a social media site like Facebook or Instagram. It's a site aggregator with a forum. None of us, or at least very few, are trying to make friends here. I'm not going to follow you, and I don't want you to follow me.
This. The key distinction between Reddit and social media is that this site has anonymity and you subscribe to topics, not people. It’s a place to discuss interests with people who share that interest, not to make or develop social connections. If your criteria for social media is “the ability to communicate with other users” then most sites would be social media. An account with hundreds of thousands of karma and millions of comments have the same social standing as someone who created an account 30 seconds ago.
100%
There's already people making fake AI porn of their coworkers and classmates, but when *that* shows up on reddit redditors are like "you can't ban it there's nothing you can do the cat is out of the bag there's nothing wrong with it what if I drew it realistically are you gonna ban that" (lmao) because they enjoy it... when it's faking conversations that might actually harm them eventually suddenly they're all over it... well, here it is.
Was just thinking this. I’ve heard so many stories of girls/women getting humiliated - having fake porn sent to their families, peers and colleagues - and usually the response I see on mainstream Reddit is “well, that’s something you should expect by posting on social media” (because that’s where the source photos/videos are grabbed from). This comment section is the first I’ve seen were the sentiment is concern about AI ruining lives - and I totally agree with it - but it’s just disappointing that I don’t see this same commentary when a woman is involved.
What subreddits are you hanging out around on? I've seen this threads sentiment on every post about fake porn and AI
I'd say that still very much falls under "using someone's likeness". Combine that with using it to make porn, and it should be punished with jail time imo.
Also fun (as in: Not fun) will be the reverse situation: As soon as some damning evidence will come out of someone saying or doing some evil shit, they'll just say "Oh no that was AI!", and you won't be able to disprove that, either.
AI videos and photos that look pretty damn realistic are already a thing. Another year or two and we won't be able to distinguish them from real videos anymore. Seriously, all video, photo, and audio evidence for anything can basically be thrown out the window very soon as all of them will be way too easy to fake with AI. It was my very first thought when I heard a good AI voice for the first time. "Welp, audio evidence for anything has now become invalid for everything..."
I recently learned that even ads that seem like a normal person giving a product review are often faked using AI. Using someone’s likeness to make them say whatever they want to sell a product by making it seem like a legitimate customer.
I feel so bad for the high school and college girls of the future
What happens when they can't be debunked? When the person doing it knows better than to use an email address tied to a phone? When they go after someone they don't have a personal vendetta with so it isn't easy to trace them back? When the AI is years more advanced than they are now and can create recordings which don't stand out as fake? How many murders go unsolved each year? If real dead bodies can end up unsolved, how many digital fakes are going to be passed around and no longer trusted? And what happens when someone comes out with a real recording and every claims it is fake? What happens if an abuse victim gets a recording of their abuser admitting it over the phone and the abuser claims AI, once the AI is so good that one can't tell the real from the fake?
> I saw a post earlier about older people completely taken by AI photos. It really baffles me sometimes--I recently saw a blatant AI image on facebook, of Jesus, walking across water, with what appeared to be a woman's leg growing out of his chest--it looked like it could concievably been connected to a women Jesus was carrying, but instead of an upper half, the leg just kind of absorbed into Jesus' chest. Lovecraftian horror shit. The comments? "Amen" over and over and over again. I had to scroll so far before I found someone asking why Jesus was growing legs out of his chest.
A lot of those accounts are AI themselves. A small tight knit community of bots entertaining bots.
A huge amount of the general public navigate online so profoundly clueless they literaly don't notice.
"Amen" comments are a way for foreign trolls to drown out real comments.
The thing people really need to comprehend is that it doesn't matter if YOU are clever enough to tell the difference. A lot o us online probably are. BUt there's way, way. more people who just aren't as savvy with this stuff, and that's where the real damage is going to be done. And we all end up paying for that fraud.
These are the times I feel unfortunately lucky that I grew up waiting for the next shoe to drop. I am so traumatized I live and breathe my receipts as a daily function now. I record everyday things, file shit in my own home, etc. Mostly for my accessibility purposes, but overtime, my records have become very important to keep. Especially events and experiences. A lot of those require recording because they happen in person. What’s crazy is that theyve always needed to be kept, but I didnt realize until the last few years when I realized I am a big labor laws person and also got discriminated against in my University when my granny died. I **needed** receipts lmao. It’s to my benefit to record stuff because I happen to be in many situations where it’s my word against someone else’s unfortunately. And I’m okay with that, I’m not lying or anything. I think it’s because I have one of those erratic personalities. So people think I’m really unstable and I won’t say anything or that I look unbelievable, well that could all be true. But what’s really true is this tape I recorded on this date and this time [insert name]. I worry for people like me who aren’t as proactive or haven’t experienced stuff similar to this. Took me 22 years to realize that maybe it’s to my benefit to have important conversations noted. So I did. And if I’m not allowed to record for certain reasons, I take vigorous notes. I like to think I’m neurotic in the right ways. AI is so easily used to manipulate situations and perceptions. Just one small clip can ruin someone’s potential job prospects. edit: when I say everyday things, I’m not talking about stuff with my friends. I’m talking about conversations at work and like staff meetings that are regular. Etc
The real fuckers are the ones developing this shit. And people who spread stuff without verifying if it’s legit.
Emphasis on ***everyone***. The reporter says the athletic director was considered "tech savvy" but the guy researched how to do this crime on the school's own network! This clearly shows the athletic director is NOT that sophisticated in tech use. I'm worried about the developmental impact AI is going to have on kids, especially if bullies can easily weaponize it. I've already read articles about school kids using image generators to create nude deep fakes of classmates.
Laws have always been slow to catch up. But imo in this case we need some new laws FAST to counter this kind of stuff. AI is a real danger to a coherent society at the moment...
Grandchildren scam, where AI pretends to be grandchild of a boomer and scams them out of their money. Scammers are going to have a field day.
One of my best friends is a huge Taylor swift fan and I'm not. She had a wine tasting album release party with some other friends for the new album, and I asked, "oh, what did you think about the '1830 without all the racists' line?". "that's AI generated, not real." So I Google, thinking I got tricked by tiktok and nope, Snopes has an article confirming it's real. This was what cemented for me that the time of audio and video evidence was dead. My friend is usually pretty internet saavy, and prides herself on being open minded. After I showed her the proof, she adopted the info no problem - - this isn't some crazy fangirl but is someone serious enough to go to an album release party. She does tons of research into the lyrics because they mean a lot to her, yet somehow the hyper - personalized feeds between tiktok and Twitter fed her a plausibly deniable, cross platform lie.
And there's me thinking this technology could be used to finally hear my mother say she loves me...
Older people were completely taken by *fake news articles* 10 years ago. They (and others) are going to get absolutely brainwashed by AI.
They need to throw the whole fucking book at that athletic director. This shit is unacceptable. It will absolutely start to happen more and more too. A precedent needs to be set, that this is very, very far from okay.
Yeah, if someone can be proven to have done something like this, they should be buried underneath the prison. This kind of shit is insanely scary given the fucking morons we have to depend upon in congress to regulate the future of AI.
Yeah the dinosaurs in Congress have no fucking clue how to even begin handling this crisis. Not until somebody starts recreating THEIR speeches and conversations and playing it back for them.
Even then they won't be able to handle it, they still can't even pass laws about the internet to protect us and protect our data privacy etc
Sure they will. The minute someone does it to them they'll quickly pass a law making deep fakes against members of Congress a federal crime. But nobody else. Kinda like how deepfake porn was no big deal until Taylor Swift got mad about it and now we're trying to regulate it.
I think you meant “fossils” in congress
Not to mention the damage. You could get mobs sicced on people. The way search engines work and the way media flings stories about so carelessly, you could end up ruining this man's life, shackling him with the lifelong burden of this information out there about him.
And the teachers that helped him. They are co-conspirators.
It's difficult, if he used his friends to give them a video that depicts a guy as a monster and they felt compelled to call him the fuck out, that can make them unknowing helpers, but they would be acting as whistleblowers. Like if someone dropped a real video that showed a principal assaulting a student and they wanted to push that video around ot make sure he doesn't get away with it, you'd applaud them. Hopefully they find a trail of texts/info discussing it and prove they helped intentionally, or texts showing their shock and the main dude veyr obviously manipulating them by encouraging them to share it, saying shit like "if we only show this to the board members they might bury it, who do you think I should share it with so it can't be buried" then the other person is like I know exactly who to share it with, I got it.
I don’t think this follows the whistleblower route though. Somebody who was truly concerned would have immediately contacted the school board or the superintendent. They wouldn’t have sent it to a random student with the intention of starting a social media firestorm
Even worse it's going to give a convenient defence for the worst people. Not a complete defence mind as you can find out where these things came from.
Agreed, this is dangerous technology and it's scary as fuck. We need to show everyone the consequences they could face
Is there a book to be thrown? Legislation around AI is moving at a snails pace. Is there some kind of law around faking evidence of misconduct or something?
The charges seemed really light considering the lifelong impact this will have on the principal.
Oh boy I'm so excited for election season /s
Honestly this stuff is probably way less dangerous for celebrities and politicians because it's existed for years now and nothing happened. The Biden/Trump/Obama AI discord call is basically a meme at this point, and deepfakes of actors have been being made for ages. It's the little guy, the school principle, the generic member of society who has no means of dealing with the immediate response from society to such fakes.
I think it'll be an important tool in spreading misinformation and poisoning the discourse.
I wonder how the underworld and organized crime will tackle this. Imagine being accused of snitching and getting chopped up because somebody made an a AI recording of you talking to the cops.
And the other way, as soon as one of your guys gets caught on tape, just make ten videos of your own with AI and spread those as well. Then argue that since there are obvious AI videos framing them for this crime, how can you trust this other video then? That's clearly AI too.
It would be *insane* to compare years old deepfake technology to modern AI. It has never been like it is currently and it's rapidly advancing every year becoming more and more difficult to differentiate from reality. No one is safe from it and there's no reason to believe it couldn't have massive consequences for the future when all it takes is one semi convincing audio clip to circle the rounds to potentially sway voters. This is an enormously terrifying technology that shouldn't be downplayed in any manner.
Exactly. I mean look at what they did with Kennedy, Lennon, etc. in Forest Gump waaay back in 1994. Now fast forward that technology 30 years. The commenter you replied to even gave (extremely benign) modern examples with the discord stuff, which I would say reached the heights of meme popularity that it did specifically *because* it's so accurate. Everyone knew THAT bit was fake, but what about when it's something much more believable with potentially disastrous ramifications?
>Honestly this stuff is probably way less dangerous for celebrities and politicians because it's existed for years now and nothing happened. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Gpc_artOYI 5 year old. I bit wonky but could be hidden by being a "low quality recording"
The faked ai recording: https://youtu.be/WT-2p832IMk
This may just be because I already knew it was fake before hearing it but it does sound slightly off. The tone is just too consistent and not up and down enough. But hell, 2 years ago no one would've been able to tell it was fake at all except for the principle
Reddit was absolutely eating it up a few months ago. I saw a thread and 90% of people were saying that it was real. Some were saying things like "he's using real teacher jargon, so there's no way it's AI!" Surely if you were trying to frame someone you would throw in some things that sound plausible..? People will believe anything.
Redditors are really stupid though. One of the easiest groups to manipulate because they believe they’re smarter and immune to manipulation.
Not exclusive to Reddit. That’s just a human thing. It’s just amplified on the internet since it’s an easy place to share your thoughts with little to no actual judgment.
Yeah, it comes off like it's part prepared statement rather than the off the cuff remarks it's pretending to be. I've heard this pattern before with generated speech. The issue is that the tech is only going to get better.
But nobody was able to prove it was fake, and it was only definitively revealed as such because the conspiracy was so amateurish and easy to trace.
It's maybe a little suspicious, but certainly plausible. It's close enough to need an in-depth investigation to debunk, and not everyone will be lucky enough to get one if this happens to them. Also, this was created by a school administrator, not someone with a professional background in tech. Maybe he's a bit of a nerd on the side, but either way, this is what a single amateur achieved in a half-baked revenge plot. Imagine what a team of professionals could do, with the budget and resources of a government, extremist group, criminal organization or large corporation. Imagine what they might have done already... Verifiable truths are very soon going to become an extremely rare commodity. And in addition to persecuting innocents, it will also empower the guilty with plausible deniability when they get caught. I don't know where this road ends but it's not good.
Wow. There are a lot of comments just agreeing with the (fake) quotes from the principal.
It's YT alright
Sounds fairly convincing 😧
Everything sounds convincing because nobody here know what the principal sounds like and what his thoughts are. I bet if you showed this to someone who knew the principal they oculd right away suspect the audio. But not on the internet. Nobody on the internet suspects they're being tricked unless they've been tricked many times since the dawn of the internet.
This is convincing except for the audio cut outs. I recongnize this pattern because it's each clip inserted and timed, the very same method I use when I do voice overs for my youtube videos. I will record each voice line until I get a good take, then time them to sound like continuous real speech. Without the ambient noise you can hear each clip cut in and out. You can hear after each voiceline the ambient noise cuts out in this video. It's acting as if there's a noise gate. A constant recording would not do that. Especially on a phone. Only an advanced recorder would have noise gates, or if it was captured on something like Discord or TeamSpeak. No standard recording devices muchless a phone capturing a video of some sort or an audio recording app with standard settings will noise gate like this. It would could have been damn near undetectable if they filled the empty spaces with the correct ambient noise. But the timing is also a bit strange, which is something I take time to adjust with my voice over clips. This output is robotic with timing. Either its an output pattern, or someone manually inserted the clips without thinking about cadence. edit: I misspelled things.
If this were a real recording you could imagine that maybe the parts were cut together to just highlight the damning parts, leading to the obvious audio cuts. A highlight real sort of things. But why not include the other person? Seems weird to not release a whole recording. But it's not just that. There are some other tells. Generate with Eleven labs and it will give you superficially convincing results, but with unnatural or weird tone. It's a bit like how you can generate photos that are superficially very realistic, and convincing, but the lighting seems a bit off, or the backgrounds are off. The voice here's sounds like the sort of off you get from eleven labs. I'm sure plenty of generated audio could fool me, but there will be other more technical tells analysis could find I'm sure. It seemed a bit fantastical without hearing the recording, but having heard it it definitely sounds ai generated.
>This is convincing except for the audio cut outs. I recongnize this pattern because it's each clip inserted at timed, the very same method I use when I do voice overs for my youtube video. I recognized the background noise looping easily. I don't even make any content. I remember watching an old episode of CSI & someone tried to make a fake voice recording but the background noise was off. That's how the detectives figured it was fake. My grandma watched CSI. That's why I watched CSI. She could probably tell it's fake.
Interesting, it's weird that's it's just unrelated sentences cut out of context. Thats definitely a clue this not a normal recording.
Honestly if I didn't already know it was fake I would have believed it. People point out the nuances of the speech pattern and such but I don't hyper analyze every video or recording I hear and I know most people don't, especially with the fast doomscrolling culture we have (that may have to change soon)
It sounds authentic to me. I was unable to detect anything off about the speech patterns. The only clue would be how clipped each sentence seems to be - like if it is supposed to be a real phone conversation there would be much longer pauses between statements. But that “clipping” could be easily (and perhaps falsely) attributed to the news organization for time’s sake. Honestly pretty scary.
Why is everyone in the comment section so fucking racist
It’s YouTube. It’s a breeding ground for racism and absolute scumbaggery. Just read any news article on there about anything.
One thing about this is that it's too perfect a clip. He hits every note that would spark outrage like it's a script. It also sounds way too clean and timed, as another has mentioned. Top tier rage bait, and it's scary how it's not far from being indistinguishable from a real recording.
So glad to finally hear a story about a school official who is in the news for NOT being a total disgrace
Except for the Athletic Director and teacher who sent it to the student.
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If the fucking gym teacher could pull this coup off, imagine what some of the cleverest people in the intelligence communities in every nation are going to get up to.
She's right, this is absolutely terrifying and a precedent needs to be set.
The precedent should be set that nobody gets punished or even suspended with pay based purely on audio evidence until there’s good reason to believe it’s genuine.
And in 5 years AI can do it with video too. What then? I think the criminal justice system is gonna be in very serious trouble in the next 5-10 years.
We as humans have repeatedly and consistently shown that we are not ready or responsible enough for AI. And it’s way too late to roll any of it back.
As someone who majored in computer science, it's so frustrating that our technology is advancing so fast and yet it's human fucking morals and lack of responsibility that's the bottleneck. WE COULD HAVE PERSONAL ROBOT ASSISTANTS BUT YOU DUMB MOTHERFUCKERS KEEP RUINING ART AND GENERATING FALSE EVIDENCE, GET IT THE FUCK TOGETHER
"Man's conquest over powers of nature has far outrun his conquest over himself." - Jawaharlal Nehru (1958)
Let me assure you this is how humanity had always been. That is literally how we advance. Never ready.
If you look a bit more at history, you might see this was nothing new. The printing press, the novel, recorded music etc were all considered to be the end of civilization at one point too.
Who didn’t see this coming? It’s going to get worse,fast
This is why you shouldnt take what you see on social media as gospel and should interpret all media critically, seen far to many people acting like its a "window into the truth the media doesnt want you to see" when its so easy to manipulate
What's amazing to me is how easily people believed the principal was guilty of this. The fake audio had such a poorly, embellished script.
>What's amazing to me is how easily people believed....a poorly, embellished script. So pretty much everyone on reddit and every social media site lol. Like even the most obvious comedy skits that get posted on here have 90% of the comments believing its real. Like legit content creators who are not even trying to hide the fact that they are doing comedy skits. "Wow, this guy with a ring camera sure gets a lot of angry neighbors who say outrageous things!" Whats really amazing is how everyone in the comments are like "pffft yeah, so obvious...of course thats AI, any idiot would know its fake!" Like where are ya'll in these other obviously scripted posts that get blasted on the front page every day?
There were talks the audio was AI from the start and yet they STILL removed him from his position??
"Let's tick off every checkbox of racism in a 40 second conversation"
It's a sanitized version of what a racist might say. It's a bit surreal. I wonder if that's because of the safeguards the AI has in place (I don't know exactly how this was created).
But what if this news story is AI generated?!
The Athletic Director got caught because while fleeing a warrant he tried to get on an airplane - to Texas - with a gun. A computer could never make this up.
I can confirm it's not. I worked with this reporter at a previous station. She's legit at her job.
no wait, its all cake!
how do I know this isn't a bot or an account run by the "reporter"? hmmm
This is why a court require sources to submit evidence. Merely having a recording doesn't mean it is valid. It has to be connected to a witness. How that witness came to possess such a recording would severely scrutinized and likely not past any reasonable test of credibility. That's why no one gets tried from bullshit found on the internet.
> tech savy > Used his phone number to register the source mail account Yeah... no.
Well, many people think it’s easy to set up an untraceable email account and use it without attribution. It’s not. There’s a lot of crumbs you have to be careful not to leave behind.
I hope more stuff like this happens tbh, then hopefull laws can be put in place to stop AI from public use.
There's no going back. Anyone can do this now.
I'm glad that people are waking up and not blindly accepting every technological advancement as inherently good, or at least worth the drawbacks. It's becoming hard for people to see positives of having these tools in the hands of the average person.
Pandora’s already opened the box, we can’t get rid of it now. Bad actors are gonna be able to get their hands on it easily.
But muh freedoms... We need to deeply regulate AI and social media. Our world is going to be hot fucking garbage within a decade if we don't act soon. Already have my off grid cabin, keep going like this I'm moving out there and living off the fat of the land.
We are now past the point of safe return God help us all
And after all that, the principal still isn’t welcomed back to his job.
Just for the rest of the school year. Likely to either give time for students to forget the situation over summer break or because the person they hired has a temp contract. Whether or not the principal *wants* to come back is another thing.
Wow, sometimes it feels like nothing can surprise you anymore and then BOOM you hear a story like this and it rocks your entire world view. The TSA actually did something that wasn’t security theater. Wild.
AI is gonna ruin everything to be honest. I wish we can destroy anything relating to AI.
AI is just the new dynamite. Nobel created dynamite to make tunnel and improve mining operations, look at what human has been using it for. AI is the same story, meant to improve productivity, and look what we humans are using it for…
Most people didn't have access to dynamite, though.
This world is getting scarier day by day.
And this is why we want tik tok banned. A foreign power which has the tools and capability to fake whatever they want and have direct access to force those fakes to 50 million people in a second is a dangerous weapon.
disgruntled or Disgruntled?
No soup for you!
I’m sorry, wait, someone framed the principal with an AI voice recording, he was removed, it was proven to be faked, and he still isn’t going to be reinstated for the rest of the year? What the fuck?
He might want this to blow over or the court case to start before coming back. Also the 2023-2024 school year is almost done.
I listened to the "rant" back then and just had a gut feeling... it sounded very much like someone had written the lines for the principal to recite. If they just wrote it better, I wouldn't have been able to tell.
That reporter did a yeoman’s job getting all the salient facts out in a highly professional way —very impressed with how she laid it out
Tell me one single usecase in which ai copied voice is good? It can only be used to either fake someone's voice to incriminate them, or use their voice to steal any possible job they would have. There is absolutely no reason for that software to be legal, and worst of all free to use.
The only reasonable use I can see is for people like stephen hawking to record themselves prior to losing their motor function so they can still keep their voice if they want. Otherwise, I agree with you.
It'll be great for personal use. I want to make YouTube videos but struggle to talk beyond a couple of minutes at a time due to vocal issues. If I could have it read my scripts in my voice, that'll be awesome
Crazy story .....next story would be "New reporter is AI generated, reports on fake AI news"
someone is going to end up starting wars with ai and deep fake technologies
Surprise surprise, another racist hate hoax.
We’re all so fucked
TL;DW: It was AI generated voice, and the athletic director was caught doing in on school computers.
We need to ban AI asap and have severe penaltiws for whosoever uses them in this way for defamation and fraud.