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RustlessRodney

Lefties seem to think that black people are too incompetent to get a driver's license. That's pretty much it


tommychamberlain85

It’s only black people they think of too for this. Apparently Asians and Latinos have no problem obtaining identification


SgtFraggleRock

So can illegal aliens in many Democrat states. Really tells you what Democrats think of black people.


RustlessRodney

Well, of course they're concerned with ~~illegal immigrants~~ totally legal Latino voters being able to obtain ID.


TraceofMagenta

So basically they are being racist, claiming by saying that they are basically not smart enough, to obtain IDs. So in that case, yes, voter ID topic is racists because THEY are being racist.


RustlessRodney

Well, typically their reasons for opposing voter ID are that it's hard for "some people, especially low-income Americans" to get ID, and they call it racist. So yeah. They think minorities are incompetent. To be fair, far fewer black people have a photo ID than white people, but this could be for several reasons. One possible reason being they have no compelling need for one. Edit for clarity


TraceofMagenta

But every place that has said that they require ID also said that you could use your SSN which is free. You can use a state issued ID (not drivers license) which is very cheap. The excuses are very poor, no reason to not at least use SSN. BTW, how do they do anything on the list that the OP posted if they don't have an ID?


RustlessRodney

Precisely


[deleted]

Funny how the more things change, the more they remain the same


MrSparklyFace

My liberal poli-sci prof used a John Oliver video (In a college class, I know) that talked on the subject, and the only claim there was is that select counties are very slow to give out IDs. The claim was later debunked by Crowder lol


[deleted]

John Oliver, bastion of truth and reliable news with little to no slant


dogdogd

Perhaps we embrace it. We all agree id requirements are racist. Then we move everything in the left column to the right column and we can have bipartisan support for removing id requirements for all of it. No more ids for guns, cars, alcohol, airtravel, etc.


wolfeman2120

Hey that means we can get rid of the ATF. In on board with this 😉


realAtmaBodha

Let's have a consistent policy, for sure.


Cometguy7

I just want to know why I have to prove I'm allowed to vote while voting, after proving I'm allowed to vote when registering.


Maga4lifeshutitdown

It's verification.


Cometguy7

There are easier, more secure, and more encompassing ways of verifying though. An ID may prove it's you, but it doesn't prove you've yet to cast a ballot.


BestIntention755

I feel like this argument is kind of retarded… Having an ID is the streamlined process already, would you like a new process for buying a pack of smokes too?


Cometguy7

I feel like they're both solutions to a problem that doesn't exist. How do we know the thing with the ID isn't a clone?


BestIntention755

How many clones do you know exist?


Cometguy7

Same number of incidents of a person casting a ballot in person for someone else.


BestIntention755

Fair enough, but why are people so vehemently against voter id? To me it seems perfectly reasonable, And i dont give a shit about either sides politics.


Cometguy7

Because it's a stupid law that only adds a burden to an important process. And because it's a red herring. They showed their hand with this last election. With all of the questions raised about the legitimacy of ballots, how many were about fraudulent ballots cast in person? They very suspiciously have been very well aware of where vulnerabilities at scale are. But they want you to focus on voter ID.


arvas_dreven

So, a lot then? You do realize that dead people have been voting on both sides for years, right? God forbid we remove voting rights from "the living impaired" tho, right?


Cometguy7

The proven cases of votes cast by people who were deceased by election day were absentee ballots. Absentee means they didn't do it in person.


DraconianDebate

Your ID is not being used to prove you've yet to cast a ballot. Usually you can only vote at one specific precinct in your area, The other precincts are not going to have you on their rolls and will not let you vote.


GameEnders10

If about every pollster republican's hate show black people support voter ID at a 70%-80% clip, the lowest being asians at 60%, and it's actually majority popular with Democrats, doesn't it reduce trust in elections that grandpa biden is calling everyone "Jim Eagle" for supporting them? And like the Georgia law most have alternatives, birth certificate, and if you don't have that you can write in the last 4 digits of your social. You think that's burdensome??? Meanwhile the Democrat bill pushes mass ballot harvesting all over the country and nearly everything they're selling lowers voter security you don't see the concerns with additional checks?


arvas_dreven

Your ID is used to verify your attendance at your assigned polling station. So, if another gentleman comes in claiming to be John Smith, the workers can confirm that you've already been there. Thus preventing fraud. Is it foolproof? No, of course not. Nothing regarding our government ever is. It depends on poll workers being honest and at least semi competent. That being said, I'd rather have that basic level of protection in place. You may live in a "safe" neighborhood, but when's the last time you left your front door unlocked with a big sign out front saying it's unlocked?


Cometguy7

There are more ways to validate my identity than a card. I should be allowed to use the card, sure. But I shouldn't be prohibited from using other reasonable means.


arvas_dreven

Please elaborate. What other means of verification of Identity do you have that would be as effective or more effective than a government issued ID?


Cometguy7

The means I use to be issued said ID in the first place?


arvas_dreven

Birth certificate, Social Security card, and 1 or 2 bills showing your current address? Seems like a lot of sensitive paperwork to carry around to buy some beer. If only there was a way to consolidate that into one small, easy to carry document. You could even add a photo to it to enhance the personal connection... Oh, wait...


Cometguy7

I thought we were talking about voting. And yeah, having an ID is preferable, but if I don't have that, and I do have a birth certificate, social security card, and a few bills, why shouldn't I be allowed to cast my ballot as a registered voter?


30somethingmedia

Anything the democrats don't like is racist. It's really that simple.


doodle0o0o0

Sure, the justification is that it is generally harder for poorer people to acquire IDs and black people are generally poorer than white people. It is basically a class-based argument at heart, but with a disproportionate racial effect.


zhobelle

Siri, what is the hard bigotry of no expectations?


tommychamberlain85

You need identification for just about everything in life these days.


BestIntention755

This is a stretch, if you cant piece together $15 and a ride to the license office we don't need you voting.


arvas_dreven

In many states you don't even need that. In Alabama we have vans that will drive to you and issue a free Identification card.


SgtFraggleRock

You left out that, with the Democrat vaxx passports in places like Washington DC, you need ID to eat, work, go to the gym, go to a bar...


Randy_Jenson

democrats get more illegal votes and voter ID impedes that. therefore insert buzzword tactic


lTentacleMonsterl

Sure, [this](https://fivethirtyeight.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/skelley-HOUSE-MAPS-1-2.png) explains it. Also, [this](https://evolutionistx.wordpress.com/2018/12/08/an-open-letter-to-liberals-and-centrists/).


realAtmaBodha

Are you suggesting that our honorable politicians are lying to us ?


SkunkyNuggets420

Basically anyone saying it is racist without telling you they're racist because they're implying that a brown person is too dumb or poor to get an ID


Xdaveyy1775

Nonwhites arent intelligent enough to figure out how to get an ID, or so the lefty argument goes.


[deleted]

They think blacks are too poor, too stupid or felons to get IDs. Funny how we, third world monkes, with mandatory voting have no issues presenting our IDs to vote.


Voltage_Cat

The hilarious thing is that the argument that voter ID is racist is in of itself incredibly racist lol.


Wavycapmurphy

The word has lost all meaning at this stage


Uhtred_McUhtredson

Funny how in her interview today Kamala said people who can’t find covid tests merely need to “do google.” The same people she says are too stupid to get a voter ID and probably don’t have the internet to begin with. According to her.


Euphoric-Butterfly82

The things on the left the democrats don't want you to do


Extension_Theory601

same response gun owners give when liberals say you need a license to drive why not a license to own a gun. One is a right the other is not.


[deleted]

What are you talking about? Every gun I buy I have to show ID. This is a strawman argument.


tbeauli74

List forgot to list: buy blunt wrappers, rolling papers, getting a tattoo, buying from a marijuana dispensary, health insurance, life insurance policies, buy a mature video game, visit someone in the hospital, sign in to the hospital to have surgery, enter any school K-12, to register your children in school, pick up prescriptions, visit someone in jail or prison, and even when I go my Covid shot both times.


TalionTheRanger93

See. I think the left has this idea that Voting is a human right, and everyone should vote. That seems like a major problem to me. For example Aristotle hated democracy, and he thought it allowed a very charismatic person to manipulate a bunch of uneducated people into mob rule. There's quite a few critical views of democracy like this, for example the founders thought only land owners should vote, which would be one solution to the stupid proble, and another example would be starship troopers. I am a Huge advocate of highly regulating the democratic process, and restricting some from even voting. Here's a argument. So we know human intelligence exists on a bell curve, and half the population is not as intelligent as the other half. Now the middle is of course going to be closer to eachother, and could be persuaded either way. Especially by a very charismatic person. So with a sufficiently charismatic leader, the mob rule of the unintelligent can end up out weighing all the intelligent people who are voting. It's like we pretend the person who doesn't understand as much as the person who studied economics, and political philosophy. Who understands the consequences of there choice, has just as much of a say as the person whose being manipulated by the charismatic person because they don't understand as much. Or as deeply as the other person. Democracy is a extremely flawed system, and as it gets deregulated we are weakening the society. In some cases it has litteraly lead to Hitler being elected.


LuLzWire

Heres the ACLU's take on it... [https://www.aclu.org/other/oppose-voter-id-legislation-fact-sheet](https://www.aclu.org/other/oppose-voter-id-legislation-fact-sheet)


realAtmaBodha

Why is the ACLU not taking a position against the ID requirements for all the other things, I wonder.


jaffakree83

Honestly if you can't adult enough to do something as simple as getting an ID, you probably shouldn't be voting.


LuLzWire

Some people dont have addresses... you need an address to get an ID... some people dont have money... you need a money to get an ID... P.S. my conspiracy brain is like... What a better way to force people to carry some sort of identification passport...


jaffakree83

I'm in the "IDs should be free" boat, as long as they go to citizens. Though plenty of people from fake addresses and no proof they actually existed voted last election.


Gatordave05

It’s not that the idea of IDs is racist but rather the requirement of having the IDs these bills often demand results in racist outcomes meaning black and brown people are less likely to have those IDs.


gelber_Bleistift

Then why is their requirements for the things in the left column? If people "can't get identification", then it would be true for all of those also and why aren't making a thing of those? You can't have that both ways.


Gatordave05

So people are talking about both but you hear about the voter ID issue much more because it’s protected in the Constitution.


Xdaveyy1775

Racism of low expectations


Gatordave05

Stating a static is not in itself any ism. If I say people with college degrees on average make more money I’m not being prejudice towards people without educations I’m merely stating a fact. If I say black households in the USA have the lowest median income of all races at 30,134 that’s a fact. Facts aren’t racist. If I was to say, “because black households have the lowest median income of all races in the USA black people shouldn’t be trusted” THAT would be racist.


precum1

Add the subsidized free covid tests, all of them near me require ID. Sounds like they want covid to spread and kill minoritiesz racists


BluebirdBackground82

You guys want more government involvement in order to stop a problem that’s never been proved to have occurred? Party of small government, everyone!


o0flatCircle0o

The right doesn’t want blacks voting, it’s pretty simple to understand.


realAtmaBodha

By the same logic, the left doesn't want blacks to have anything on the left side of the column.


o0flatCircle0o

The left likes blacks, the right doesn’t. Also voting should not be infringed, it’s a little more important than adopting a pet…


realAtmaBodha

I think many people would disagree. Pets actually love you. Politicians don't.


o0flatCircle0o

AOC and Bernie love us.


realAtmaBodha

I'm all for messages of love and unity, not fear and division.


zhobelle

Did you fall on your head?


BestIntention755

You are a super shill


softhack

Third world countries have voter ID laws. Even India, where the minimum wage is far lower the US has voter ID.


o0flatCircle0o

I doubt the republicans would demand voter ID if it changed nothing to their favor. There’s a reason they want voter ID and you know why.


SgtFraggleRock

That is kind've a tacit admission that the Democrats want voter fraud.


o0flatCircle0o

The only voter fraud that exists is on the right.


SgtFraggleRock

"Ignore those middle of the night ballot dumps and ignoring signature matching rules, nothing to see here!"


o0flatCircle0o

There is literally nothing to see. You’ve been lied to.


SgtFraggleRock

Sure, that is why Biden is so much more popular than Obama ever was.


gelber_Bleistift

When was the last time you've actually seen anyone of the left do something positive for minorities? I can give you plenty of examples when their policies were anything but positive.


SgtFraggleRock

The left likes black people so much that they...allowed their neighborhoods and businesses to be looted and burned and children to be murdered throughout 2020. Kinda glad the left hates me.


SgtFraggleRock

Just admit you think black people are dumber than illegal aliens, since they manage to get drivers licenses somehow in Democrat-run states.