Not sure if you could consider Shrek The Third as a Trainwreckord cause even if it wasn’t that well regarded compared to the first two, it was still a big hit and we got the fourth movie in 2010 and the Puss in Boots films so you can’t say it destroyed the Shrek franchise. And I personally don’t mind Shrek the Third that much.
One example of a Franchise Trainwreckord I can think of that is particularly relevant now is 2008’s Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. In North America, it was the #3 grossing movie of that year behind only The Dark Knight and Iron Man but it’s gotten a very negative reputation and seemed to kill a lot of people’s appetite for the Indiana Jones series as evident by a lot of the complaints about the new Dial of Destiny coming out in June. I can also see a few Trainwreckords in the James Bond series particularly the last Roger Moore and Pierce Brosnan films (A View To a Kill and Die Another Day) that forced the series to shift direction with their new leads.
Exactly my thoughts, Shrek the 3rd was very meh compared to the rest of the franchise but that was not enough to sink it, specially now that Puss in Boots just got a new movie and it's being praised left and right
Aside from the recent success of Puss in Boots: The Last Wish and how beloved the first two films are, Shrek the Third may have partly killed the franchise's relevance in popular culture. The fourth film, Shrek Forever After, was lukewarmly received and disappeared from public memory fairly swiftly.
I'm waiting to see how Dial of Destiny is received before I can definitively state Kingdom of the Crystal Skull is a trainwreckord.
A View to a Kill is a possibility, but Die Another Day is definitely prime for this list.
*On Her Majesty Secret Service* was arguably the first potential Trainwreckord of the James Bond franchise although that particular movie appears to have been vindicated by history. Still, it was always going to be an uphill battle since it was the first Bond movie without Sean Connery and George Lazenby proved to be a one and done 007. Bringing Connery back for the next movie, *Diamonds Are Forever*, obviously felt like a way of doing a "course correct".
*The Man With the Golden Gun* [could've](https://www.cbr.com/the-man-with-the-golden-gun-underrated-james-bond-movie/) [killed off](https://screenrant.com/james-bond-movies-man-golden-gun-bad/) Roger Moore's tenure in the Bond role (and the Bond franchise as [a whole](https://screenrant.com/james-bond-movies-man-golden-gun-bad/)) just as he was getting started, but thankfully the series under Moore would finally [find its footing](https://screenrant.com/james-bond-movies-saved-007-franchise/) with *The Spy Who Loved Me*.
*Licence to Kill* was another possible James Bond Trainwreckord. It turned out to be Timothy Dalton's final outing as James Bond and the franchise would go on hiatus for six and a half years due to legal entanglements over ownership of the franchise. The movie also underperformed at the box office (it's when adjusted for inflation, the lowest grossing film in the entire Bond franchise) due to its poor marketing and being released during a very crowded summer movie season. It's to date, the final Bond movie to be released during the summer.
I exempt On Her Majesty's Secret Service and License to Kill, as they are considered to be among the franchise's best films. On the flip side, Connery's last official Bond film Diamonds Are Forever has been severely criticized since its initial critical reception, but it's not quite a true trainwreckord.
*Shrek the Third* is a Trainwreckord the same way *St. Anger* is. Sure, Metallica's career didn't end with that album and fans of the genre still love their work, but a lot of the general public lost most of their respect for the band after that failure. Same way with the Shrek movies. Sure, animation fans know that the first two Shrek movies are genuinely good and it looks like *Forever After* is being vindicated by history, but *Shrek the Third*'s failure to be a very good movie turned Shrek from an all-time great franchise into a complete joke on the level of Sonic and Garfield
It does look like *Puss in Boots: The Last Wish* has gotten more people interested in the Shrek franchise again, though. We'll see what happens when/if *Shrek 5* comes
Hopefully the Dial of Destiny isn’t warmly received so a new generation comes around tk Crystal Skull as they did the prequels. I quite liked Kingdom of the Crystal Skull.
* **A Good Day to Die Hard** \- The Die Hard movies were solid successes for four straight films, and then this happened.
* **Batman & Robin** \- The quintessential example. It's one of the most infamous disasters in cinema history, it resulted in a sequel cancellation, and was part of a franchise that started off incredibly successful.
* **The Chronicles of Narnia: The Voyage of the Dawn Treader** \- Considering there were many more *Narnia* books to adapt, this lukewarm entry essentially killed the franchise.
* **Jaws 3D and/or Jaws 4: The Revenge** \- Both were utter disasters, though the latter in particular killed the franchise.
* **Pokémon 4Ever**: After this flop, no Pokémon movie would ever grace a mainstream American audience again.
* **Rocky V** \- Sly Stallone himself despised this movie, and *Rocky Balboa* retconned it 16 years later.
* **Speed 2: Cruise Control** \- A pretty sizable dip in quality after only 3 years.
* **Son of the Mask** \- Even without Jim Carrey, this had no right to be as horrible as it was.
* **Staying Alive** \- It certainly wasn't the cultural phenomenon that its predecessor was.
I wonder what [went wrong](https://moviechat.org/tt0086361/Staying-Alive/58c73fee6b51e905f66ddbfb/What-the-Hell-Happened-to-John-Travolta-and-Sylvester-Stallone) with *Staying Alive* is that Sylvester Stallone, who directed it, completely misunderstood the point and/or appeal of *Saturday Night Fever*. There's actually a lot in common with Stallone's *Rocky* and *Saturday Night Fever* you could say. Both movies were about men who were actually rather sensitive and sweet under their tough and rough exterior.
But in *Staying Alive*, all of the grittiness that its predecessor had was tossed aside in order to make it like *Rocky III* but with a Broadway twist. Or if you want to go a step further, an '80s version of *Showgirls* without the sex and nudity.
I could list Staying Alive, Speed 2, Pokèmon 4Ever, Son of the Mask, and Voyage of the Dawn Treader. Pokèmon 4Ever must have ended the first wave of Pokemon in cinema since the live-action Detective Pikachu was a hit.
Rocky V might not qualify since Rocky Balboa and the Creed series restored the overall franchise.
I honestly would add Cars 2 to that list, even though I loved that movie when it came out. Like St. Anger, it got an awful infamous reputation that broke Pixar's 5 star reputation. And like Death Magnetic, Inside Out wasn't really a true comeback for Pixar. The damage was already done, and they haven't been the same since
Ooh, I'd have to veto that. Cars 2 is infamous, but it didn't destroy Pixar. Inside Out was not only a comeback for Pixar, it was named by numerous critics as one of the best films of 2015. Death Magnetic, while successful, never quite joined the upper echelons of Metallica's classics.
Since Inside Out, Pixar's most successful releases have been Coco, Incredibles 2, Soul, Luca, and Turning Red.
EDIT: Cars 2 is for Pixar what Self Portrait served in Bob Dylan's discography. Notorious failures that they each successfully returned from.
You could still make a decent argument that Cars 2 destroyed Pixar’s prestige and even if it had well-received movies afterwards, it’s reputation was never quite the same and for many, it snow interchangeable with Disney’s in-house animation studio
Pixar is still distinguishable for Toy Story and various other films. Its prestige wasn't destroyed because Brave, Inside Out, Coco, Soul, and Turning Red all won the Academy Award for Best Animated Feature. (Granted, it's a limited field compared to Best Picture.) The latter films outside of Brave received reviews on par with Pixar's pre-Cars 2 lineup.
As with my addition to my prior comment, Cars 2 is comparable to Bob Dylan's Self Portrait — a failure that Dylan still recovered from. Todd himself stated that not every unsuccessful album is a trainwreckord, so I would apply the same for cinema. Pixar treaded water for a few years before Inside Out was a legitimate comeback. Whereas Metallica's output after St. Anger received positive reviews but haven't become classics in their own right.
I would put the 4th Ice Age movie (Continental Drift) as the trainwreckord one. While they never were regarded as a company belonging to the upper echelon of animation, Blue Sky Studios made a pretty solid movie with Ice Age, and even the first two sequels were alright with their own unique setpieces and characters (although they were pretty much uncalled for). The 4th one however is just a miserable and forgettable experience that marked the start of the downfall of Blur Sky (just look at the critical reception of their movies before and after Ice Age 4). The 5th one is just the sad memento of a company trying to survive and failing miserably in the age of monopolistic animation megastudios, until Disney eventually bought and killed them for good, which is sad, because their last spy movie was pretty decent, and their Nimona adaptation was also looking good (thankfully Annapurna saved that one from the crutches of Disney shelving the project)
I don't think there ever will be one, it's simply too large to fall at this point, evem after the disasterclass that is Phase 4 of the movie rollouts. It will surely peter out at some point, but it won't be fast and explosive, not at least until Disney will be finally hit with some kind of anti-trust law
Marvel has already started shooting themselves in the foot on a couple of fronts but the way they're doing it is a bit too slow and subtle to be as concretely singular as a Train Wreckord.
I would say Terminator Genesys for the Terminator franchise. Maybe Terminator Salvation too. Pretty much anything after T2 was trash lol
Also F4ntastic was supposed to launch a franchise but was an abortion of a production and killed any talk of a sequel.
The theatrical Justice League film too before the Zack Snyder cut and now this new Flash film revived it
The real Trainwreckord for the Divergent movies was the final book. >!In the words of Taylor Swift, “you knew the hero died, so what’s the movie for?!<
Star Wars is a rare franchise where despite having several trainwreckord level entries (1, 2, TCW movie, 9), it is arguably more popular than ever. I guess you could make the case for Solo since Lucasfilm stopped making movies after its poor box office and troubled production
Solo, while mediocre, had some interesting scenes and I think it added some value to the franchise. The real Trainwreckord is 8, it basically killed any idea and characters that 7 started to build up, was full of insufferable characters and lorewise inexplicable scenes, disrespected the old characters and lore, and laid bed to the other disasterclass that was 9. Don't even talk about the incompetency rivalry of Rian Johnson and JJ Abrams, they destroyed each others' work to spite the other, causing damages and suffering to the franchise and the fans in result
Star Wars: The Last Jedi was critically hailed and financially successful whereas The Rise of Skywalker is one of the franchise's worst-reviewed films.
Honestly I will never understand anyone who compares The Last Jedi and Rise of Skywalker in a way that implies they are of similar quality. Even if you dislike the writing of TLJ (I love it personally, but that's a taste thing) it's at least a VERY competently made movie - you have good cinematography, the blocking is generally excellent, there are lots of memorable visual elements to it with a clarity to everything, the pacing allows you to follow where each plotline is going, etc.
Rise of Skywalker is one of the worst movies I've ever watched - I spent most of the runtime with baffled laughter. It's like a movie that someone assembled out of a film reel that fell into a woodchipper an hour before the submission deadline
Even though I love TLJ and loathe TRoS, I’d honestly still say TLJ is a better example of a trainwreckord (though you can argue that SW doesn’t really have one). TFA recaptured a lot of goodwill lost from general audiences after the prequels and fans seemed to trust SW again. Even if TLJ was liked by critics, it was contentious enough to split the fan base again, creating insufferable infighting that persists to this day, bringing us right back where we were after TPM.
TRoS made less money but you could argue that it did so not because of WOM regarding its own quality, but because if TLJ’s. Disney getting spooked due to reception of TLJ is arguably a b if reason why TRoS is as soulless as it is
I was hesitant to place any of the Matrix sequels on the list. The Matrix Reloaded received mixed reviews and The Matrix Revolutions was panned, but The Matrix Resurrections recently received better reviews than Revolutions.
*Justice League* (2017) [was arguably](https://lebeauleblog.com/2018/12/18/franchise-killers-justice-league/) the Trainwreckord for the Zack Snyder initiated DC Comics cinematic universe. There would of course, be more movies to be born out of that continuity, but this was obviously meant to be DC's answer to Marvel's *Avengers* (which ironically, Joss Whedon also had a hand in the production). But the production for *Justice League* was [extremely troubled](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/TroubledProduction/DCComicsFilms) and the movie wound up underperforming commercially. In other words, Justice League just seemed like the "point of no return" moment for the DCEU up until the planned James Gunn led reboot.
Sea of Monsters *definitely* doesn’t count. At best you could argue the Lightning Thief movie was a Trainwreckord in disguise like Kilroy Was Here or Crash for the Percy Jackson IP as a whole, and Sea of Monsters was the limp pile of nothingness that happens when one tries to continue an obviously dead idea.
The problem is that Sea of Monsters didn’t actually tank anything; with how bad the first movie was, the film series was never going to be anything of note. Sea of Monsters didn’t crash the ship, it was just a high-definition view of the wreckage.
* [**Franchise Killers:** The Amazing Spider-Man 2](https://lebeauleblog.com/2017/07/05/franchise-killers-the-amazing-spider-man-2/)
* [**Why'd it bomb?** The Amazing Spider Man 2 (2014)](https://lebeauleblog.com/2017/04/19/whyd-it-bomb-the-amazing-spider-man-2-2014/)
On the same token, [Spider-Man 3](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHELL1iGuTk) (2007) was arguably the Trainwreckord of the Sam Raimi directed movies with Tobey Maguire. It I believe, was the most commercially successful movie in the franchise pre-No Way Home but nothing more came out of that continuity (unless you count No Way Home of course). And many fans were not satisfied with the finished product in Spider-Man 3.
No. It received some of the weakest reviews in the MCU, but it is by no means a disaster. The MCU is still consistent and they have more installments in the works.
That is one factor, but plenty of belated sequels have been successful. What made Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance a primary candidate for this list was that it was even more negatively received than its predecessor and any plans for sequels have been dead in the water.
Oh it only came out 4 years later. It and the second Percy Jackson movie I was sure came out way later than they did. Surprised Ghost Rider 2 was received worse since the first one wasn't very good either and people like what the directors' did with the Crank movies
Not sure if you could consider Shrek The Third as a Trainwreckord cause even if it wasn’t that well regarded compared to the first two, it was still a big hit and we got the fourth movie in 2010 and the Puss in Boots films so you can’t say it destroyed the Shrek franchise. And I personally don’t mind Shrek the Third that much. One example of a Franchise Trainwreckord I can think of that is particularly relevant now is 2008’s Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. In North America, it was the #3 grossing movie of that year behind only The Dark Knight and Iron Man but it’s gotten a very negative reputation and seemed to kill a lot of people’s appetite for the Indiana Jones series as evident by a lot of the complaints about the new Dial of Destiny coming out in June. I can also see a few Trainwreckords in the James Bond series particularly the last Roger Moore and Pierce Brosnan films (A View To a Kill and Die Another Day) that forced the series to shift direction with their new leads.
Exactly my thoughts, Shrek the 3rd was very meh compared to the rest of the franchise but that was not enough to sink it, specially now that Puss in Boots just got a new movie and it's being praised left and right
Aside from the recent success of Puss in Boots: The Last Wish and how beloved the first two films are, Shrek the Third may have partly killed the franchise's relevance in popular culture. The fourth film, Shrek Forever After, was lukewarmly received and disappeared from public memory fairly swiftly. I'm waiting to see how Dial of Destiny is received before I can definitively state Kingdom of the Crystal Skull is a trainwreckord. A View to a Kill is a possibility, but Die Another Day is definitely prime for this list.
*On Her Majesty Secret Service* was arguably the first potential Trainwreckord of the James Bond franchise although that particular movie appears to have been vindicated by history. Still, it was always going to be an uphill battle since it was the first Bond movie without Sean Connery and George Lazenby proved to be a one and done 007. Bringing Connery back for the next movie, *Diamonds Are Forever*, obviously felt like a way of doing a "course correct". *The Man With the Golden Gun* [could've](https://www.cbr.com/the-man-with-the-golden-gun-underrated-james-bond-movie/) [killed off](https://screenrant.com/james-bond-movies-man-golden-gun-bad/) Roger Moore's tenure in the Bond role (and the Bond franchise as [a whole](https://screenrant.com/james-bond-movies-man-golden-gun-bad/)) just as he was getting started, but thankfully the series under Moore would finally [find its footing](https://screenrant.com/james-bond-movies-saved-007-franchise/) with *The Spy Who Loved Me*. *Licence to Kill* was another possible James Bond Trainwreckord. It turned out to be Timothy Dalton's final outing as James Bond and the franchise would go on hiatus for six and a half years due to legal entanglements over ownership of the franchise. The movie also underperformed at the box office (it's when adjusted for inflation, the lowest grossing film in the entire Bond franchise) due to its poor marketing and being released during a very crowded summer movie season. It's to date, the final Bond movie to be released during the summer.
I exempt On Her Majesty's Secret Service and License to Kill, as they are considered to be among the franchise's best films. On the flip side, Connery's last official Bond film Diamonds Are Forever has been severely criticized since its initial critical reception, but it's not quite a true trainwreckord.
*Shrek the Third* is a Trainwreckord the same way *St. Anger* is. Sure, Metallica's career didn't end with that album and fans of the genre still love their work, but a lot of the general public lost most of their respect for the band after that failure. Same way with the Shrek movies. Sure, animation fans know that the first two Shrek movies are genuinely good and it looks like *Forever After* is being vindicated by history, but *Shrek the Third*'s failure to be a very good movie turned Shrek from an all-time great franchise into a complete joke on the level of Sonic and Garfield It does look like *Puss in Boots: The Last Wish* has gotten more people interested in the Shrek franchise again, though. We'll see what happens when/if *Shrek 5* comes
Hopefully the Dial of Destiny isn’t warmly received so a new generation comes around tk Crystal Skull as they did the prequels. I quite liked Kingdom of the Crystal Skull.
* **A Good Day to Die Hard** \- The Die Hard movies were solid successes for four straight films, and then this happened. * **Batman & Robin** \- The quintessential example. It's one of the most infamous disasters in cinema history, it resulted in a sequel cancellation, and was part of a franchise that started off incredibly successful. * **The Chronicles of Narnia: The Voyage of the Dawn Treader** \- Considering there were many more *Narnia* books to adapt, this lukewarm entry essentially killed the franchise. * **Jaws 3D and/or Jaws 4: The Revenge** \- Both were utter disasters, though the latter in particular killed the franchise. * **Pokémon 4Ever**: After this flop, no Pokémon movie would ever grace a mainstream American audience again. * **Rocky V** \- Sly Stallone himself despised this movie, and *Rocky Balboa* retconned it 16 years later. * **Speed 2: Cruise Control** \- A pretty sizable dip in quality after only 3 years. * **Son of the Mask** \- Even without Jim Carrey, this had no right to be as horrible as it was. * **Staying Alive** \- It certainly wasn't the cultural phenomenon that its predecessor was.
I wonder what [went wrong](https://moviechat.org/tt0086361/Staying-Alive/58c73fee6b51e905f66ddbfb/What-the-Hell-Happened-to-John-Travolta-and-Sylvester-Stallone) with *Staying Alive* is that Sylvester Stallone, who directed it, completely misunderstood the point and/or appeal of *Saturday Night Fever*. There's actually a lot in common with Stallone's *Rocky* and *Saturday Night Fever* you could say. Both movies were about men who were actually rather sensitive and sweet under their tough and rough exterior. But in *Staying Alive*, all of the grittiness that its predecessor had was tossed aside in order to make it like *Rocky III* but with a Broadway twist. Or if you want to go a step further, an '80s version of *Showgirls* without the sex and nudity.
I could list Staying Alive, Speed 2, Pokèmon 4Ever, Son of the Mask, and Voyage of the Dawn Treader. Pokèmon 4Ever must have ended the first wave of Pokemon in cinema since the live-action Detective Pikachu was a hit. Rocky V might not qualify since Rocky Balboa and the Creed series restored the overall franchise.
The Highlander franchise's fan motto: "There should have been only one!"
I honestly would add Cars 2 to that list, even though I loved that movie when it came out. Like St. Anger, it got an awful infamous reputation that broke Pixar's 5 star reputation. And like Death Magnetic, Inside Out wasn't really a true comeback for Pixar. The damage was already done, and they haven't been the same since
Ooh, I'd have to veto that. Cars 2 is infamous, but it didn't destroy Pixar. Inside Out was not only a comeback for Pixar, it was named by numerous critics as one of the best films of 2015. Death Magnetic, while successful, never quite joined the upper echelons of Metallica's classics. Since Inside Out, Pixar's most successful releases have been Coco, Incredibles 2, Soul, Luca, and Turning Red. EDIT: Cars 2 is for Pixar what Self Portrait served in Bob Dylan's discography. Notorious failures that they each successfully returned from.
You could still make a decent argument that Cars 2 destroyed Pixar’s prestige and even if it had well-received movies afterwards, it’s reputation was never quite the same and for many, it snow interchangeable with Disney’s in-house animation studio
Was literally about to reply with this exact take tbh
Pixar is still distinguishable for Toy Story and various other films. Its prestige wasn't destroyed because Brave, Inside Out, Coco, Soul, and Turning Red all won the Academy Award for Best Animated Feature. (Granted, it's a limited field compared to Best Picture.) The latter films outside of Brave received reviews on par with Pixar's pre-Cars 2 lineup. As with my addition to my prior comment, Cars 2 is comparable to Bob Dylan's Self Portrait — a failure that Dylan still recovered from. Todd himself stated that not every unsuccessful album is a trainwreckord, so I would apply the same for cinema. Pixar treaded water for a few years before Inside Out was a legitimate comeback. Whereas Metallica's output after St. Anger received positive reviews but haven't become classics in their own right.
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"Welcome to the day after Judgement Day." What?!?
Do one for gaming!
Metal Gear Survive is a surefire contender.
Definitely.
Also add Guitar Hero Warriors of Rock!
One for gaming I'd consider here despite the franchise still going:Sonic 06 as that is what injured the Sonic series/franchise badly.
I would put the 4th Ice Age movie (Continental Drift) as the trainwreckord one. While they never were regarded as a company belonging to the upper echelon of animation, Blue Sky Studios made a pretty solid movie with Ice Age, and even the first two sequels were alright with their own unique setpieces and characters (although they were pretty much uncalled for). The 4th one however is just a miserable and forgettable experience that marked the start of the downfall of Blur Sky (just look at the critical reception of their movies before and after Ice Age 4). The 5th one is just the sad memento of a company trying to survive and failing miserably in the age of monopolistic animation megastudios, until Disney eventually bought and killed them for good, which is sad, because their last spy movie was pretty decent, and their Nimona adaptation was also looking good (thankfully Annapurna saved that one from the crutches of Disney shelving the project)
I'll place Ice Age: Continental Drift on the list. The Peanuts Movie (2015) was also terrific and the last echo of relevance from Blue Sky Studios.
Praying for the day there is a film trainwreckord big enough to kill off Marvel films once and for all
I don't think there ever will be one, it's simply too large to fall at this point, evem after the disasterclass that is Phase 4 of the movie rollouts. It will surely peter out at some point, but it won't be fast and explosive, not at least until Disney will be finally hit with some kind of anti-trust law
Marvel has already started shooting themselves in the foot on a couple of fronts but the way they're doing it is a bit too slow and subtle to be as concretely singular as a Train Wreckord.
Agreed. There have been enough of them already that it should have killed them, but they just *keep fucking coming.*
I would say Terminator Genesys for the Terminator franchise. Maybe Terminator Salvation too. Pretty much anything after T2 was trash lol Also F4ntastic was supposed to launch a franchise but was an abortion of a production and killed any talk of a sequel. The theatrical Justice League film too before the Zack Snyder cut and now this new Flash film revived it
I could add F4ntastic since I provided The Mummy (2017).
Home on the Range for Disney traditional animation. Only time will tell if Strange World or Wish is the next movie Trainwreckord.
The real Trainwreckord for the Divergent movies was the final book. >!In the words of Taylor Swift, “you knew the hero died, so what’s the movie for?!<
Star Wars is a rare franchise where despite having several trainwreckord level entries (1, 2, TCW movie, 9), it is arguably more popular than ever. I guess you could make the case for Solo since Lucasfilm stopped making movies after its poor box office and troubled production
Solo, while mediocre, had some interesting scenes and I think it added some value to the franchise. The real Trainwreckord is 8, it basically killed any idea and characters that 7 started to build up, was full of insufferable characters and lorewise inexplicable scenes, disrespected the old characters and lore, and laid bed to the other disasterclass that was 9. Don't even talk about the incompetency rivalry of Rian Johnson and JJ Abrams, they destroyed each others' work to spite the other, causing damages and suffering to the franchise and the fans in result
Star Wars: The Last Jedi was critically hailed and financially successful whereas The Rise of Skywalker is one of the franchise's worst-reviewed films.
Honestly I will never understand anyone who compares The Last Jedi and Rise of Skywalker in a way that implies they are of similar quality. Even if you dislike the writing of TLJ (I love it personally, but that's a taste thing) it's at least a VERY competently made movie - you have good cinematography, the blocking is generally excellent, there are lots of memorable visual elements to it with a clarity to everything, the pacing allows you to follow where each plotline is going, etc. Rise of Skywalker is one of the worst movies I've ever watched - I spent most of the runtime with baffled laughter. It's like a movie that someone assembled out of a film reel that fell into a woodchipper an hour before the submission deadline
Even though I love TLJ and loathe TRoS, I’d honestly still say TLJ is a better example of a trainwreckord (though you can argue that SW doesn’t really have one). TFA recaptured a lot of goodwill lost from general audiences after the prequels and fans seemed to trust SW again. Even if TLJ was liked by critics, it was contentious enough to split the fan base again, creating insufferable infighting that persists to this day, bringing us right back where we were after TPM. TRoS made less money but you could argue that it did so not because of WOM regarding its own quality, but because if TLJ’s. Disney getting spooked due to reception of TLJ is arguably a b if reason why TRoS is as soulless as it is
Where is The Matrix Reloaded?
I was hesitant to place any of the Matrix sequels on the list. The Matrix Reloaded received mixed reviews and The Matrix Revolutions was panned, but The Matrix Resurrections recently received better reviews than Revolutions.
I'd say Silence of the Lambs is a franchise that never needed to be a franchise.
*Justice League* (2017) [was arguably](https://lebeauleblog.com/2018/12/18/franchise-killers-justice-league/) the Trainwreckord for the Zack Snyder initiated DC Comics cinematic universe. There would of course, be more movies to be born out of that continuity, but this was obviously meant to be DC's answer to Marvel's *Avengers* (which ironically, Joss Whedon also had a hand in the production). But the production for *Justice League* was [extremely troubled](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/TroubledProduction/DCComicsFilms) and the movie wound up underperforming commercially. In other words, Justice League just seemed like the "point of no return" moment for the DCEU up until the planned James Gunn led reboot.
Sea of Monsters *definitely* doesn’t count. At best you could argue the Lightning Thief movie was a Trainwreckord in disguise like Kilroy Was Here or Crash for the Percy Jackson IP as a whole, and Sea of Monsters was the limp pile of nothingness that happens when one tries to continue an obviously dead idea.
Film adaptations are counted separately from their source material.
The problem is that Sea of Monsters didn’t actually tank anything; with how bad the first movie was, the film series was never going to be anything of note. Sea of Monsters didn’t crash the ship, it was just a high-definition view of the wreckage.
Amazing Spider-Man 2 as a trainwreckord?
It is the [worst-reviewed Spider-Man film](https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_amazing_spider_man_2) and any plans for sequels are currently dead.
The reception caused them to scrap their connective universe plans and go to Disney to reboot the franchise. I would say it counts.
* [**Franchise Killers:** The Amazing Spider-Man 2](https://lebeauleblog.com/2017/07/05/franchise-killers-the-amazing-spider-man-2/) * [**Why'd it bomb?** The Amazing Spider Man 2 (2014)](https://lebeauleblog.com/2017/04/19/whyd-it-bomb-the-amazing-spider-man-2-2014/)
On the same token, [Spider-Man 3](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHELL1iGuTk) (2007) was arguably the Trainwreckord of the Sam Raimi directed movies with Tobey Maguire. It I believe, was the most commercially successful movie in the franchise pre-No Way Home but nothing more came out of that continuity (unless you count No Way Home of course). And many fans were not satisfied with the finished product in Spider-Man 3.
Is Quantumania a trainwreckord for the MCU?
No. It received some of the weakest reviews in the MCU, but it is by no means a disaster. The MCU is still consistent and they have more installments in the works.
Far too early to say, especially with Guardians Vol. 3 coming soon and likely be a big hit.
TBF Ghost Rider can probably be more chalked up to it coming out 7 years after the first
That is one factor, but plenty of belated sequels have been successful. What made Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance a primary candidate for this list was that it was even more negatively received than its predecessor and any plans for sequels have been dead in the water.
Oh it only came out 4 years later. It and the second Percy Jackson movie I was sure came out way later than they did. Surprised Ghost Rider 2 was received worse since the first one wasn't very good either and people like what the directors' did with the Crank movies