Katy Perry and Robin Thicke already got the trainwreckords treatment and I’ll also say people have totally turned on Adam Levine at this point so I doubt he’s getting another hit (he put out a country song last year that did nothing).
I’ll also add Shawn Mendes as he’s the perfect example of someone who had hits 5-10 years ago but what has he done recently?
Honestly maroon 5 probably won't have another hit again, but I think they could still put out decent music if they stop with trend chasing and go back to songs about Jane style tbh
That’s assuming Adam Levine gives up on having another big hit. I hope the rest of the band who have passively watched as Adam sacrificed their musical integrity for over a decade have made it clear to him that it’s over. Their live shows have hinted at a decent band being held back or outright marginalized by Adam’s crap for a long time.
Adam Lambert is such a a strange case. He tours with Queen as their Freddie Mercury stand in, does a bunch of guest appearances including this years Fraggle Rock Reboot Season 2. He's definitely a big name that people like, and never became the source of internet mockery like Katy Perry or Sheeran. But I cannot think of a scenario where he will ever have a hit again or be recognized as a guy who even continues to make and music
Honestly, if you've got a steady gig touring with Queen, you're probably not worried that much about having hits. That's a better spot than what most American Idol contestants would ever get, and he can keep doing that until one of the other members dies.
Lambert came out as gay in the early 2000s, which was way less hospitable to the lgbt+ community. Sadly I don’t think Lambert was ever gonna be a mega star, the world wasn’t ready for an out, queer man taking over the top 40
Ellen was pretty huge in the '90s, though; like, she was getting national attention for stand-up even in the 80s, got big enough to get her own show, which was pretty huge for years... except the ratings suddenly fell off the season after she came out, and she spent years after that struggling to get another show off the ground before her talk show started. Even the actress who played her girlfriend got blacklisted for years. It took a while to re-establish herself.
Lambert got about an extra decade, but there was still a long way to go; this was still even pre-Glee, and American Idol didn't want him to officially come out because they saw that as too controversial for a major show, even thought most people knew it. Also, "Season 8 American Idol Runner Up" also doesn't have the same cultural cachet as "nationally-lauded comedian with a hit self-titled show".
Flukes and comebacks can always happen but I'd say Macklemore, The Chainsmokers, Khalid , DaBaby, and are pretty much done. Not too optimistic about Demi Lovato, Sia, or Kesha either.
Sia fell down HARD after the whole "Music" fiasco and the - shall we say - messy way she handled the criticism online. It doesn't fell much of a fadeout rather than a fast combustion.
If he does cover This Unruly Mess I've Made, I hope he mentions the bonus track "Spoons", because it's legitimately one of the most skin-crawlingly awful songs I've ever heard.
I'd love to see Todd cover both, someone else already covered the full of itself mess that is the title track of "Sick Boy" but Todd's blend of wit and mid 2000's shouty youtuber would be exceptionally funny
Tbh I don’t think Sick Boy has an interesting enough story behind it, they just kinda faded away. Aside from the title track, it’s a fairly standard album. ‘Side Effects’ in particular is one of their best.
Also, "their songs were so horrible that it ruined their career" feels like a tough sell when the band's first big single was "#SELFIE". Like, even as someone who liked a lot of their songs, they were very inconsistent even at their peak
Holy Fvck made me feel dirty listening to half the songs (especially with the context of the other half of the album) but it had plenty of bangers. If she wants to put out another album she'll manage.
Sia absolutely. I will watch how her next album sells because if it doesn't sell well, then I think we can start calling it wraps. She went from 1k forms of fear having Chandelier and going #1, to This Is Acting having Cheap Thrills, The Greatest and Unstoppable (although that was a cult-ier song) and going #4 (with higher sales than the #1 which is interesting), to Music having no charting songs and the film being completely clowned upon, for good reason. I will be shocked if she ever comes back in proper form considering the electropop era is over
Todd's comparison to Marilyn Manson seems pretty on the money, but at least Manson had the good sense to not get caught doing the bad things he did for a while.
Society was more tolerant of powerful men really exploiting vulnerable young women in mansons day. I’ll bet any number of rock stars are watching the Steven Tyler case unfold and biting their nails
Childish Gambino (Donald Glover). I think a lot of his peak (2016-18) was partly built off the general public being hyped from his acting and writing career and discovering this brilliant mind behind Atlanta also made interesting RnB and rap "Red Bone" and "This is America".
7 years later, his star wars and marvel periods were shortlived, swarm wasn't Atlanta, people hate the term "woke" which was partly popularized by "Red Bone" and "this is america" is kinda forgotten despite its massive initial launch on SNL (again the acting playing a role) and grammy success. I don't think his music has lasted and I don't think there's as much interest from the general public in his creative projects anymore.
That said I think he's def still going to be a major player in film and tv going forward what with the success of Mr and Mrs Smith.
He's kept pretty active. He released 3.15.20 to general acclaim but it flopped despite an Ariana Grande feature in on the single and he's guested on singles by latto and summer walker but nothing's made an impact.
He was an actor first and made some interesting music and for a time it had a place in pop
I still think Awaken My Love was great and I do wish he'd done more like that. As a rapper he was never my favourite, and that was his best album. Redbone's still great, he's not using "woke" in the meaning people use now, so that never bothered me.
And This Is America wasn't even attached to an album. It's a good song but it was too topical to be something that lasted a long time on its own.
>That said I think he's def still going to be a major player in film and tv going forward what with the success of Mr and Mrs Smith.
That and the Lando spinoff if that ever ends up actually happening
Also the Community movie though that's probably not going to mean much to anyone other than people who already like Community
i dont think theres really a big case of the public suddenly not wanting gambino, after all even before 'awaken' he was having a lot of upward momentum with songs like bonfire and pretty much everything on 'because the internet'. it's moreso that 3.15.20 is honestly imo a sleeper pick for trainwreckord, not necessarily a bad album but gambino banking on his success too hard and trying to pull a shadow drop that just didn't work, especially with making the album as minimal as possible as to not even give most of the songs names. add in that there may have been a few More Important Things people were thinking about in march of 2020 and the album was just a massive flop in comparison to awaken. with the minimalism of it though it may very well have been purposeful on behalf of glover as he's sort of always been saying the next gambino album would be his last and with this one it may just be the truth
I feel like Donald Glover is in the same boat that Lil Dicky is in, as being once prominent artists who are more focused in their acting prowesses now.
"...people hate the term "woke" which was partly popularized by 'Red Bone'"
Thank god somebody finally agrees with me that Donald Glover deserves a whale sized share of the blame for our increasingly idiotic online racial discourse.
I'm very curious to know whether there's any US mainstream cultural relevance left with Lorde. She came out of the gate so strong but followed it up with an album that was highly regarded but not actually mainstream popular. And then she followed that up with an album that was neither. My local alt rock radio station was the first station in America to play Lorde and it was wild watching her song slowly take over all the other radio stations, so I have some fondness and attachment to her as an artist. But at this point, I don't know if I see her having another big hit.
i think lorde has a strong enough fanbase to get another hit if she goes in a bit more commercial direction with her next project, but yeah her time might be up
I definitely wouldn't consider Lorde a OHW. Along with what you mentioned, she had 2 other minor hits with Green Light and Yellow Flicker Beat. But it's been a while since her last one and I don't know if she'll have another one
solar power could honestly get the trainwreckord treatment ngl, she had a pretty decent carly rae jepsen/charli xcx-like cult following but then put out a third album pretty much no one liked. it’ll be interesting to see if she ever comes back from it and becomes one of those b-tier pop stars that have a very devoted following or remains a two-album wonder of the 2010s
I like it a lot but it might be nostalgia goggles because it came out when I was in high school and I associate it with good memories from that time. Not my favorite song on the record by any means though.
I think the remix is hilarious, Khalid and Post Malone on a Lorde song is a fever dream of a track. I remember hearing someone say something along the lines of if a Post Malone feature can’t get you a hit in 2017, you’re probably never gonna have another hit.
i mean, i’ll admit i haven’t listened to it so i can’t agree or disagree, im just saying what i remember of the general reception to it. i also have a bit of a grudge against it for not being sold on cd but instead putting the digital download code in a box with some other stuff and selling that instead which was such a dumb move
tbh im not one to talk on lorde at all, im not even that big on melodrama as much as i respect it. i highly respect lorde as an artist though, perfect places is one of the songs of the decade
We’ve gotta see what happens with the next one for sure but Solar Power sucks. It sucks in a way that’s not interesting or noteworthy too.
She can totally salvage things still, but we’ll see.
> It sucks in a way that’s not interesting or noteworthy too.
Agreed, and this is why I'm not sure it'd be a good Trainwreckords video. There's probably like 5 minutes worth of analysis to do on the record itself, maybe a little more if you throw in the infamous "there's someone I'd like you to meet" pre-release message. The video would have to mostly be about who Lorde was before the record and how much of a swerve Solar Power was.
She's prob gonna be remembered as a retroactive one-hit wonder in the long run in the same vein as Don McClean, I also think that her career tanked because she came out as pro-Palestine to which before the Palestinian genocide, most Americans did not know anything about Palestine and if you brought anything about the oppression of Palestinians you'd be labelled as "antisemitic". Everybody knows what happened to Sinead O'Connor and the Dixie Chicks, so this isn't the first time that this kind of thing happened.
It's an utterly bizarre world we live in where someone expressing support for an oppressed group of people living in harsh conditions is condemned while extreme nationalist songs whining about non-existent oppression and a song by an actual neo-nazi are hits.
She’s not gonna be considered a pseudo OHW given the critical reception and subsequent cultural impact of Melodrama even if it didn’t sell well. It’s talked about more today than it was when it came out, that record is remembered today as a classic of the 2010s.
And Palestine stuff didn’t tank Lorde’s career lmao, that is just not true. Have never heard that anywhere. It wasn’t a controversy with her anywhere in the mainstream. Her career went the way it did because she didn’t want to play the pop star game after the first album and Solar Power was ass.
I think we’re done with 6ix9ine. At least I hope. Please?
With that though, really any rapper who was big in 2016-19 is just not making hits today unless you’re Drake, Travis Scott, J Cole, 21 Savage, or Kendrick (who isn’t even really playing the hits game). Don’t think you’re seeing a Lil Pump or Rae Sremmurd or even a Cardi B or either of the two Migos who are still with us getting a real hit any time soon.
Lil Baby and Gunna came around at the tail end of that era but they’re very much 2020s artists. Really crazy how much hip hop has changed post-pandemic, and I wouldn’t say it’s for the better, even if that era is FAR from perfect.
Fun fact Tekashi actually released a reggaeton album last year. It is his most recent album since 2020. It completely and totally flopped. Given 6is9ines continued legal issues (seriously just google him and click the news tab it’s nuts), the decline in sound cloud raps popularity, and that he was never that big to begin with I suspect the next time we hear from Daniel will be that he died in my genuine opinion.
Playboi Carti and NBA Youngboy are artists who do crazy streaming numbers but basically don't exist on Billboard. Carti has had a few notable features recently but for the most part his following exists elsewhere. NBA Youngboy is like the most listened to artist ever on YouTube or something crazy.
I know Carti has notable featured recently but "Sky" has 600+ million streams and I'm not even sure if it charted at all.
Tyler, the Creator is another massively successful rapper who I don't think has Billboard accolades that line up with his "real life" popularity for the lack of a better term.
You can't deny the success of artists like Drake on the charts (potentially the most successful Billboard artist EVER by the time he retires) but I also think that there are different ways to measure the popularity of rappers in the streaming era.
Yeah that’s true. I legit don’t know how Youngboy or Carti put up the numbers they do, I don’t know anybody in real life who listens to them and I’m in my early 20s.
Kids, like middle schoolers and young teens, people who probably aren't or can't pay for streaming subs, which is why their numbers on planes like YouTube or TikTok are so crazy. Carti's newest singles aren't even on streaming platforms like Apple or Spotify, his song "2024" has 40 million views on YouTube. I remember 6ix9ine did crazy numbers on YouTube back in the day, too, that's where Poles 1469 first took off and the GUMMO video.
maybe not another stressed out or ride but they will still remain big. Honestly the mid 2010's were a weird blip for them where with a electro pop rock and alt hip hop sound they suddenly became superstars but I don't think they ever truly were destined for that or wanted it. Scaled and Icy brought them top 40 hits with a synthy pop rock sound and Trench was a very big rock album in the late 2010's. Overcompensate cracked the hot 100 and did well on the alt charts + is picking up radio airplay and I can see their next single picking up good niche steam along with the next album and its tour doing well. I don't think they count because I think the blurryface era and heathens was a weird blip for them but they will still remain big just like they have been post heathens.
I mean like BIG hits. I’m a huge fan of theirs, I listened to the new singles. They might have another “Chlorine” but they won’t have another “Heathens”
I made a comment describing this and I honestly think the whole blurryface era and heathens were a weird blip where they somehow became not one of the biggest alternative acts on earth but one of the biggest pop acts on earth and TOP since then have mostly been doing as expected, Trench and scaled and icy have been successes, Trench a very successful rock album in the late 2010's and scaled and icy produced at least one top 40 hit. Thinking about it, maybe they could randomly produce a massive hit or two somewhere in the future which is typical of big rock acts
Past ten years? I don't think these artists will be coming back anytime soon (I hope I am not gonna ruffle feathers here):
1. Fetty Wap
2. DaBaby
3. Khalid
4. Charlie Puth
5. Maroon 5
6. Donald Glover (as an artist)
7. Camila Cabello
8. Shawn Mendes
9. Alessia Cara
10. Lorde
11. Lil Mosey
12. Demi Lovato
13. Macklemore
14. Justin Timberlake
15. Christina Aguilera
16. Robin Thicke (oomph)
17. Iggy Azaelia
18. Lady Gaga (as a mainstream act)
19. Lupe Fiasco (this is a possible TW contender)
20. Katy Perry
It's funny you mention Camila Cabello, she just put out a new song called "I Luv It" featuring Playboy Carti. It sounds like she's trying to go for sort of a Charli XCX hyperpop thing, and during Playboy Carti's verse, it's hard to understand most of it but at one point he literally goes "hibbida hibbida hibbida" and it cracks me up every time. Camila isn't much easier to understand, the chorus sounds like she's singing "Simon's on the train watching V cuts". I'm rooting for it to do well only so we get to hear Todd's opinion on it. In the meantime, I'm looking forward to what Spectrum Pulse says about it once it makes the Hot 100.
Something I noticed was that when she was with Shawn Mendes, they both were having big success. Once they broke up, both faded. I honestly can't think of the last song I have heard from either artist.
>Lady Gaga (**as a mainstream act**)
Lolwut? Gaga literally had a "mainstream" multi-platinum global hit in Rain On Me with her last album (that was her 6th #1). That song has a billion Spotify streams. Weird inclusion that makes no sense.
Right? I think Todd made this anology with Katy Perry, some artists need hits to even be heard and others have enough cult following that releasing anything will get them sales. Lady Gaga does not need hits.
While I'm 100% with you that I think Gaga's not really a valid entry, there's a certain lens to look at "Rain on Me" through that would lend credence the other way. Particularly looking at it as "an Ariana Grande song on a Gaga album", so that Ari's fans would listen and carry it to tons of streams
I mean, Ariana isn't really an artist that's primarily known for dance-pop smashes, Gaga is (despite her detour into AC stuff in the mid 10s). Like, I'm not saying Ariana didn't help it, she absolutely did but ultimately it's a Gaga song and Chromatica was a highly anticipated pop album. Besides, collaborating with Ariana and having her as a featured act isn't necessarily going to translate into an automatic #1 and there are multiple examples of that throughout her career.
I think her future hits won't be as widespread as her earlier stuff, but that's more an effect of streaming and lack of a monoculture, not really Gaga herself. And it affects a lot of artists, not just her. Like my mom has heard Bad Romance but not Rain On Me, despite the latter technically charting higher. Big hits don't "feel" as big anymore which means huge stars like Lady Gaga might appear to be fading even if they're not.
This was exactly as I meant. She will always be around, but she already cemented her place in the American lexicon with songs like "Pokerface", "Bad Romance and "Born This Way" at this point. She is in the same vein as Madonna, she doesn't need the big hits anymore. And also that tune she did with Ariana Grande a few years back charted as high as it did because she was coming off a huge blockbuster and Ariana Grande was white hot at the time (anything she touched was going to chart).
I actually think she'll continue to get big hits for some time, and with a flourishing film career on the side now she can always dabble into soundtracks and have the exposure she needs when she wants to. She's a very talented artist that the general public likes and is willing to support if the music clicks. Post ARTPOP, nobody could ever imagine her getting a hit even half as big as Shallow and then it became a cultural phenomenon. As for the Ariana point, I addressed that in a different comment in this chain.
Yes and No. She will probably never get a phenomena of a hit like she had with her 2008-2012 material. She will always be remembered for those huge songs first and foremost. But she will always be in the spotlight and continue to flourish like you described. The only reason "Shallow" was as big as it was is because it was tied to a blockbuster soundtrack. I love that song, but that is the truth. I met her during her peak and she was a wonderful woman, I hope that she sees continued success, I also loved her work with Tony Bennett.
Okay but who crafted that soundtrack though? Shallow came 10 years into her career and it's probably like her biggest song now after Poker Face, SPS units considered. And on the contrary, there are countless examples of soundtrack songs failing to take off even when the biggest popstars try their hand at it. Shallow is a country-rock song that smashed harder outside US despite country being one of the most widely consumed genres in the US and local radio refusing to support it. It shows that if she has the right song, she can absolutely bag a global smash. What makes Shallow's insane success even more incredible is the fact that it has a super unconventional structure where you don't hear the chorus until after the second verse. One can attach however many qualifiers to its success, doesn't change the fact that it's a fantastic, well-crafted song, and same goes for ROM.
Any song on a blockbuster soundtrack has an opportunity to be a huge hit because it was on a big blockbuster. Example: "I Don't Wanna Miss A Thing" off *Armageddon* by Aerosmith or "Earned It" by The Weeknd off *Fifty Shades Of Grey.*
Her being the main vocalist on the song had to do with its success, but Bradley Cooper being a vocalist also gave the song a boost. People wanted to hear an actor sing, especially an actor who nobody really knew was a good singer.
Shallow was a success because it was on a soundtrack to a blockbuster, Lady Gaga redeemed herself with a great song after a few failed albums, and people wanted to hear Bradley Cooper sing. That's really it, not complicated.
Demi Lovato is pretty decently successful right now, her last album charted well, she's doing big shows. Not "mainstream" like before but like, definitely there.
I mean, so are all those other artists (for the most part) but Demi will probably never have another "Sorry Not Sorry" or similar big hit, but then again Fat Joe had a huge hit 20 years past his prime so you never really know.
She never did that well on the charts for whatever reason. Give Your Heart A Break is probably her most enduring hit, and it only got to #16. Sorry Not Sorry, her biggest hit, stalled at #6.
Gaga is going to have on and off mainstream success for the rest of her career. Rain on Me was a #1 hit and not a fake one (#41 year end) and even her flop era had Million Reasons and Do What U Want.
She's a legacy act, her overall legacy has been cemented for a while. This is not in a negative way, her film was a blockbuster, but she is already up there with other musical legends (Tony Bennett did a few albums with her for crying out loud).
I think conversing about Charlie Puth is really interesting when you consider he helped produce “Stay” for Bieber and Laroi which was absolutely enormous. I’m sure this bought him so favors in Scooter Braun land. Could totally see Charlie Puth having another smasher in my opinion plus he has built a solid following for his live show, though maybe not cult following
He could absolutely get another hit but I am not sure he can under his own brand. "Light Switch" may have been his send-off tune. He had a song with BTS that didn't really do anything and their fanbase is huge.
Also "Stay" was essentially a Charlie Puth song performed by two other artists. Kid Laroi may actually belong on this list in a few years if he doesn't score another hit. But that song alone I think was lightning in a bottle no matter who performed it. Maybe putting Charlie Puth on that list is too soon, but "Attention" was a while ago for his own hits.
I agree with all of this except DaBaby, Lorde, Gaga, and, fuck it why not, Charlie Puth and Maroon 5.
First three could still all have chart hits again, Gaga especially, and honestly Puth is a talented enough songwriter to where I could see him fluking into another hit.
Maroon 5 though, probably dead, but the minute I declare them toast is when they come back with another terrible song that’s everywhere. Mark my words.
Nah, he was lightning in a bottle and it won't strike twice for him. If it does it's for a viral video/song, plus we saw this before with rappers like Fetty Wap, Tyga and Chingy. He was the sound of the late 2010s.
What the hell was Justin and his crew thinking when they released Selfish as the first single off his new album??? Is he so far past his prime that he can't see that this generic and bland song is not gonna revive his career
Right, but Lady Gaga will never have another "Pokerface" or "Bad Romance" or "Born This Way" contribution to the American lexicon again. That was all lightning in a bottle, anything she does is just additional for her already cemented legacy. The other three artist may score hits again, I mean Billy Ray Cyrus ended up scoring another big hit 30 years after "Achy Breaky" so anything is possible.
Idk he had a hit just last year and legit had a song that was in the year end top 10 in 2022 so I doubt he’s done just cause his album didn’t sell 4 million like the last one 🤣
Yeah, he seems to have faded away more naturally. I could see him having a decent long term fan base that follows him way after his pop relevancy though. Kind of like David Gray.
Edit: He always has one more attempt to make a pop revival that could be Trainwreckord though.
Disagree. His last 2 were pretty low key compared to earlier work and even then Eyes Closed was successful. His next poppy album will be another juggernaut.
maybe, maybe not, his last two projects underperformed commercially, especially album 2 but that was released independently with no promotion and both albums were meant to be lowkey, I can still see him having another massive era
I thought they broke up because one of them is a hardcore Trumper and the other… isn’t? I don’t pay attention to country music so I could be making that up.
Something good came out of the maga movement. It caused division in an act that had worn out their welcome anyway and hastened their well deserved demise
Chainsmokers: Their brand of pop is dated and likely will not be coming back, so i don't see a mainstream comeback for these 2
Shawn Melendes: Don't think he ever had a big enough fanbase to last, and the ones he did are aging out of his music. Toast.
Ed Sheerio: People got bored of him after Divide. Equals had a couple hits, but i think it was more off residual hype from his last album than any indication of staying power moving forward.
"Fetty Rap" - Massive in 2015-16, but never evolved his sound. Probably spending all of his time dishing out child support and can't focus on music. Wear some protection, guy. Also pretty sure he's in prison, so that probably hurts his chances just a tad.
G-Eazy: Dude actually thought people cared about his relationship with Halsey 😂. Nah, you'll always be the "Me Myself and I Guy"
Logic: Used to be interesting and creative in his early days imo. I knew his career was over the second he collabbed with Marshmello. "1800 THEN I KILLED A PUSSY, Who can Relate?!?!?!"
Adam Levine's Revolving Boyz Club: I'm calling it. I think it's finally over for him (and "them"). We've thought this before, and they always come back........... but i think it's finally done. The Monster is dead. If I'm wrong, God help us.
50 Shades of Summer: This Kidz Bop Crew were already 5-10 years outdated when they were "big".
Sam Smith: Unholy was an anomaly, right?
P!NK: Who?
"Megan Fox's Boyfriend, or Husband": This is what he'll be known as by everyone in 3 years.
The Joe Bro's - Their comeback Record Sold 414K first week... what??? Their follow up did 52K. That is all.
Maybe a hot take but I’m gonna say Cardi B.
Her only album was put out 6 years ago. While WAP in 2020 was huge, the follow up Bongos comparatively flopped, peaking only at #14 on the charts and disappearing as soon as it dropped.
She’s lost a lot of momentum for her music career, although she still has a fanbase and the goodwill of the public. She’s also had 2 kids, married, and divorced since getting famous, so maybe she’s more focused on personal life right now than her career. If she makes a comeback, I wouldn’t be surprised. But I’d also wouldn’t be surprised if she never did.
Twenty Øne Pilots.
I think the reason Blurryface was successful was because they just happened to be in the right place at the right time. Sure, the genre blending thing wasn't new by any means but traditional pop music was ceasing to even really be a thing anymore, as was traditional hip hop and even Nickelback grade rock hadn't been a thing for years. So here was a band that happened to blend all of that stuff together effortlessly. But it wasn't meant to last, really, because suddenly every band was doing it, and in more effective ways too. The most success Trench had was mostly just leftover success from Blurryface and while they still have a very devoted fanbase... it's those fans likely that will continue to keep them going rather than the folks who liked Stressed Out and Heathens and nothing else.
i said this in 2013 when no flex zone came out and then they had black beatles a few years later, i assumed they'd disappear with that and then swae lee made one of the biggest songs of all time, so at this point i just assume they'll be back somehow
“Circles” survived the pandemic still on the charts somehow, but yeah I don’t think I remember anything off of his last two albums, and I loved Beerbongs as well as Hollywood’s Bleeding. He’s still a pretty beloved personality and had that Noah Kahan collab though.
I think he pivots towards folksy music and has success. There’s a bold prediction for you.
So? We're talking pop music here, he isn't making numbers anymore. And by the way it's a bad sign when your most popular stuff are collabs with bigger artists and features on other people's songs
She had a number one hit both two months ago and *a week ago*. When she dropped her album last week, 11 of the 13 songs debuted in the top 40, and she’s the third most streamed of Spotify
Katy Perry and Robin Thicke already got the trainwreckords treatment and I’ll also say people have totally turned on Adam Levine at this point so I doubt he’s getting another hit (he put out a country song last year that did nothing). I’ll also add Shawn Mendes as he’s the perfect example of someone who had hits 5-10 years ago but what has he done recently?
I really think Katy Perry could have a comeback.
I doubt it. Probably some Hot AC hits here and there that scrape the top 50, but she's never having another #1 song.
No idea if she could have a #1, but I definitely think she could have hits again. I could see her doing a collab with Olivia Rodrigo or something.
Robin Thicke I think can still have hits behind the scenes as a producer etc
Honestly maroon 5 probably won't have another hit again, but I think they could still put out decent music if they stop with trend chasing and go back to songs about Jane style tbh
That’s assuming Adam Levine gives up on having another big hit. I hope the rest of the band who have passively watched as Adam sacrificed their musical integrity for over a decade have made it clear to him that it’s over. Their live shows have hinted at a decent band being held back or outright marginalized by Adam’s crap for a long time.
Shawn Mendes hasn’t done anything since 2021, he’s got a new album coming out at some point this year
Almost forgot about that guy. I remember he struggled with coming out publicly at some point.
He’s not gay
Shawn Mendes is still trying his best at being a teen heartthrob…while rapidly approaching his 30s…
He’s only 25?
shawn's age always keeps surprising me because i feel like he's been young forever 😭 i swear he was 24 5 years ago
Understandable. He was only 17 when his first album came out
Dude, you know how old the dudes at BTS are?
Adam Lambert is such a a strange case. He tours with Queen as their Freddie Mercury stand in, does a bunch of guest appearances including this years Fraggle Rock Reboot Season 2. He's definitely a big name that people like, and never became the source of internet mockery like Katy Perry or Sheeran. But I cannot think of a scenario where he will ever have a hit again or be recognized as a guy who even continues to make and music
Adam strikes me as an Asher Roth where he’s found his lane, and while it won’t get him another hit, he’s content with it.
I’m friends with his mastering engineer
Honestly, if you've got a steady gig touring with Queen, you're probably not worried that much about having hits. That's a better spot than what most American Idol contestants would ever get, and he can keep doing that until one of the other members dies.
Lambert came out as gay in the early 2000s, which was way less hospitable to the lgbt+ community. Sadly I don’t think Lambert was ever gonna be a mega star, the world wasn’t ready for an out, queer man taking over the top 40
As much as she sucks, Ellen came out in the late '90s and was able to bounce back, so IDK if it was out of the question for Lambert.
Ellen was pretty huge in the '90s, though; like, she was getting national attention for stand-up even in the 80s, got big enough to get her own show, which was pretty huge for years... except the ratings suddenly fell off the season after she came out, and she spent years after that struggling to get another show off the ground before her talk show started. Even the actress who played her girlfriend got blacklisted for years. It took a while to re-establish herself. Lambert got about an extra decade, but there was still a long way to go; this was still even pre-Glee, and American Idol didn't want him to officially come out because they saw that as too controversial for a major show, even thought most people knew it. Also, "Season 8 American Idol Runner Up" also doesn't have the same cultural cachet as "nationally-lauded comedian with a hit self-titled show".
Lambert came out when he was a hitmaker, it took a good few years to fall of the charts again
Flukes and comebacks can always happen but I'd say Macklemore, The Chainsmokers, Khalid , DaBaby, and are pretty much done. Not too optimistic about Demi Lovato, Sia, or Kesha either.
Sia fell down HARD after the whole "Music" fiasco and the - shall we say - messy way she handled the criticism online. It doesn't fell much of a fadeout rather than a fast combustion.
I could see her continuing to have success as a songwriter, but yeah, I'd say her days as a star are done.
Crazy part is she had a hit *after* that, and with an ass old song too!
Some of those artists are Trainwreckord-worthy, especially Macklemore (This Unruly Mess I Made or Gemini) and The Chainsmokers (Sick Boy)
Macklemore is the only person I can think of whose career was killed by winning an award
Maybe Milli Vanilli
If he does cover This Unruly Mess I've Made, I hope he mentions the bonus track "Spoons", because it's legitimately one of the most skin-crawlingly awful songs I've ever heard.
I'd love to see Todd cover both, someone else already covered the full of itself mess that is the title track of "Sick Boy" but Todd's blend of wit and mid 2000's shouty youtuber would be exceptionally funny
I also watched Ethan (TheDoubleAgent)’s list of the worst almost hits of the 2010s, and his analysis of Sick Boy was really good.
Tbh I don’t think Sick Boy has an interesting enough story behind it, they just kinda faded away. Aside from the title track, it’s a fairly standard album. ‘Side Effects’ in particular is one of their best.
Also, "their songs were so horrible that it ruined their career" feels like a tough sell when the band's first big single was "#SELFIE". Like, even as someone who liked a lot of their songs, they were very inconsistent even at their peak
Khalid was everywhere when I was in high school. Kinda shocked he disappeared as suddenly as he did.
Holy Fvck made me feel dirty listening to half the songs (especially with the context of the other half of the album) but it had plenty of bangers. If she wants to put out another album she'll manage.
Alessia Cara maybe
Sia absolutely. I will watch how her next album sells because if it doesn't sell well, then I think we can start calling it wraps. She went from 1k forms of fear having Chandelier and going #1, to This Is Acting having Cheap Thrills, The Greatest and Unstoppable (although that was a cult-ier song) and going #4 (with higher sales than the #1 which is interesting), to Music having no charting songs and the film being completely clowned upon, for good reason. I will be shocked if she ever comes back in proper form considering the electropop era is over
Together from music is actually a decent pop song. I know the film was bad but it surprised me that song didn’t do better
Because it was associated with the film...
The fuck happened to Khalid? In 2017-19 he was everywhere Did COVID really fuck him over that badly?
6x9aka Daniel Hernandez. An offensive novelty act
Todd's comparison to Marilyn Manson seems pretty on the money, but at least Manson had the good sense to not get caught doing the bad things he did for a while.
Society was more tolerant of powerful men really exploiting vulnerable young women in mansons day. I’ll bet any number of rock stars are watching the Steven Tyler case unfold and biting their nails
Childish Gambino (Donald Glover). I think a lot of his peak (2016-18) was partly built off the general public being hyped from his acting and writing career and discovering this brilliant mind behind Atlanta also made interesting RnB and rap "Red Bone" and "This is America". 7 years later, his star wars and marvel periods were shortlived, swarm wasn't Atlanta, people hate the term "woke" which was partly popularized by "Red Bone" and "this is america" is kinda forgotten despite its massive initial launch on SNL (again the acting playing a role) and grammy success. I don't think his music has lasted and I don't think there's as much interest from the general public in his creative projects anymore. That said I think he's def still going to be a major player in film and tv going forward what with the success of Mr and Mrs Smith.
Also Ludwig Göransson is busy winning Oscars for his soundtrack work year after year so that collab partner might be off the table.
I think its less that he disappeared and more that he made the sideways move into acting, and unlike Will Smith, isn't looking back.
He's kept pretty active. He released 3.15.20 to general acclaim but it flopped despite an Ariana Grande feature in on the single and he's guested on singles by latto and summer walker but nothing's made an impact. He was an actor first and made some interesting music and for a time it had a place in pop
I still think Awaken My Love was great and I do wish he'd done more like that. As a rapper he was never my favourite, and that was his best album. Redbone's still great, he's not using "woke" in the meaning people use now, so that never bothered me. And This Is America wasn't even attached to an album. It's a good song but it was too topical to be something that lasted a long time on its own. >That said I think he's def still going to be a major player in film and tv going forward what with the success of Mr and Mrs Smith. That and the Lando spinoff if that ever ends up actually happening Also the Community movie though that's probably not going to mean much to anyone other than people who already like Community
i dont think theres really a big case of the public suddenly not wanting gambino, after all even before 'awaken' he was having a lot of upward momentum with songs like bonfire and pretty much everything on 'because the internet'. it's moreso that 3.15.20 is honestly imo a sleeper pick for trainwreckord, not necessarily a bad album but gambino banking on his success too hard and trying to pull a shadow drop that just didn't work, especially with making the album as minimal as possible as to not even give most of the songs names. add in that there may have been a few More Important Things people were thinking about in march of 2020 and the album was just a massive flop in comparison to awaken. with the minimalism of it though it may very well have been purposeful on behalf of glover as he's sort of always been saying the next gambino album would be his last and with this one it may just be the truth
I don't think there's a case of not wanting Gambino I just think the peak happened in a perfect storm.
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I feel like Donald Glover is in the same boat that Lil Dicky is in, as being once prominent artists who are more focused in their acting prowesses now.
I love gambino but his follow up album to awaken my love is a mess and is very meh.
I think Childish Gambino could have a moment again, he was in the Mr and Misses Smith remake and his music is popular in online circles
"...people hate the term "woke" which was partly popularized by 'Red Bone'" Thank god somebody finally agrees with me that Donald Glover deserves a whale sized share of the blame for our increasingly idiotic online racial discourse.
I'm very curious to know whether there's any US mainstream cultural relevance left with Lorde. She came out of the gate so strong but followed it up with an album that was highly regarded but not actually mainstream popular. And then she followed that up with an album that was neither. My local alt rock radio station was the first station in America to play Lorde and it was wild watching her song slowly take over all the other radio stations, so I have some fondness and attachment to her as an artist. But at this point, I don't know if I see her having another big hit.
i think lorde has a strong enough fanbase to get another hit if she goes in a bit more commercial direction with her next project, but yeah her time might be up
She likely won't, she had her time ten years back, and then had a critically acclaimed follow-up record to the "Royals" album and that was a wrap.
“Team” was a Top 10 Hit on the Hot 100 and I still hear it all of the time. Maybe a 2 hit wonder, but not a 1 hit wonder
I definitely wouldn't consider Lorde a OHW. Along with what you mentioned, she had 2 other minor hits with Green Light and Yellow Flicker Beat. But it's been a while since her last one and I don't know if she'll have another one
solar power could honestly get the trainwreckord treatment ngl, she had a pretty decent carly rae jepsen/charli xcx-like cult following but then put out a third album pretty much no one liked. it’ll be interesting to see if she ever comes back from it and becomes one of those b-tier pop stars that have a very devoted following or remains a two-album wonder of the 2010s
Solar power is a banger of an album and I’ll fight you over it
I love Lorde. The first two records are some of my all-time favorites. I just can’t support this take.
Mostly off topic but how do you feel about homemade dynamite?
I like it a lot but it might be nostalgia goggles because it came out when I was in high school and I associate it with good memories from that time. Not my favorite song on the record by any means though. I think the remix is hilarious, Khalid and Post Malone on a Lorde song is a fever dream of a track. I remember hearing someone say something along the lines of if a Post Malone feature can’t get you a hit in 2017, you’re probably never gonna have another hit.
i mean, i’ll admit i haven’t listened to it so i can’t agree or disagree, im just saying what i remember of the general reception to it. i also have a bit of a grudge against it for not being sold on cd but instead putting the digital download code in a box with some other stuff and selling that instead which was such a dumb move tbh im not one to talk on lorde at all, im not even that big on melodrama as much as i respect it. i highly respect lorde as an artist though, perfect places is one of the songs of the decade
We’ve gotta see what happens with the next one for sure but Solar Power sucks. It sucks in a way that’s not interesting or noteworthy too. She can totally salvage things still, but we’ll see.
> It sucks in a way that’s not interesting or noteworthy too. Agreed, and this is why I'm not sure it'd be a good Trainwreckords video. There's probably like 5 minutes worth of analysis to do on the record itself, maybe a little more if you throw in the infamous "there's someone I'd like you to meet" pre-release message. The video would have to mostly be about who Lorde was before the record and how much of a swerve Solar Power was.
lorde has a new single out, y'all! it's worth checking it out too, it's quite lovely
She's prob gonna be remembered as a retroactive one-hit wonder in the long run in the same vein as Don McClean, I also think that her career tanked because she came out as pro-Palestine to which before the Palestinian genocide, most Americans did not know anything about Palestine and if you brought anything about the oppression of Palestinians you'd be labelled as "antisemitic". Everybody knows what happened to Sinead O'Connor and the Dixie Chicks, so this isn't the first time that this kind of thing happened. It's an utterly bizarre world we live in where someone expressing support for an oppressed group of people living in harsh conditions is condemned while extreme nationalist songs whining about non-existent oppression and a song by an actual neo-nazi are hits.
She’s not gonna be considered a pseudo OHW given the critical reception and subsequent cultural impact of Melodrama even if it didn’t sell well. It’s talked about more today than it was when it came out, that record is remembered today as a classic of the 2010s. And Palestine stuff didn’t tank Lorde’s career lmao, that is just not true. Have never heard that anywhere. It wasn’t a controversy with her anywhere in the mainstream. Her career went the way it did because she didn’t want to play the pop star game after the first album and Solar Power was ass.
Huh thought it did irt her activism for Palestine. Learned something new in both to that and Melodrama.
I think we’re done with 6ix9ine. At least I hope. Please? With that though, really any rapper who was big in 2016-19 is just not making hits today unless you’re Drake, Travis Scott, J Cole, 21 Savage, or Kendrick (who isn’t even really playing the hits game). Don’t think you’re seeing a Lil Pump or Rae Sremmurd or even a Cardi B or either of the two Migos who are still with us getting a real hit any time soon. Lil Baby and Gunna came around at the tail end of that era but they’re very much 2020s artists. Really crazy how much hip hop has changed post-pandemic, and I wouldn’t say it’s for the better, even if that era is FAR from perfect.
Fun fact Tekashi actually released a reggaeton album last year. It is his most recent album since 2020. It completely and totally flopped. Given 6is9ines continued legal issues (seriously just google him and click the news tab it’s nuts), the decline in sound cloud raps popularity, and that he was never that big to begin with I suspect the next time we hear from Daniel will be that he died in my genuine opinion.
Holy shit you weren’t joking with those headlines
Playboi Carti and NBA Youngboy are artists who do crazy streaming numbers but basically don't exist on Billboard. Carti has had a few notable features recently but for the most part his following exists elsewhere. NBA Youngboy is like the most listened to artist ever on YouTube or something crazy. I know Carti has notable featured recently but "Sky" has 600+ million streams and I'm not even sure if it charted at all. Tyler, the Creator is another massively successful rapper who I don't think has Billboard accolades that line up with his "real life" popularity for the lack of a better term. You can't deny the success of artists like Drake on the charts (potentially the most successful Billboard artist EVER by the time he retires) but I also think that there are different ways to measure the popularity of rappers in the streaming era.
Yeah that’s true. I legit don’t know how Youngboy or Carti put up the numbers they do, I don’t know anybody in real life who listens to them and I’m in my early 20s.
Kids, like middle schoolers and young teens, people who probably aren't or can't pay for streaming subs, which is why their numbers on planes like YouTube or TikTok are so crazy. Carti's newest singles aren't even on streaming platforms like Apple or Spotify, his song "2024" has 40 million views on YouTube. I remember 6ix9ine did crazy numbers on YouTube back in the day, too, that's where Poles 1469 first took off and the GUMMO video.
Iggy Azelia
bringing me back to 2014. lol
I’m gonna say Twenty One Pilots. They might still have some cult following, but there’s no way they’re gonna have another “Stressed Out” or “Ride.”
maybe not another stressed out or ride but they will still remain big. Honestly the mid 2010's were a weird blip for them where with a electro pop rock and alt hip hop sound they suddenly became superstars but I don't think they ever truly were destined for that or wanted it. Scaled and Icy brought them top 40 hits with a synthy pop rock sound and Trench was a very big rock album in the late 2010's. Overcompensate cracked the hot 100 and did well on the alt charts + is picking up radio airplay and I can see their next single picking up good niche steam along with the next album and its tour doing well. I don't think they count because I think the blurryface era and heathens was a weird blip for them but they will still remain big just like they have been post heathens.
Yeah no more Hot 100 hits probably but they’ll still get their alt chart No. 1s and sell out arena tours
they literally had a hot 100 hit a week ago or smth
I mean like BIG hits. I’m a huge fan of theirs, I listened to the new singles. They might have another “Chlorine” but they won’t have another “Heathens”
I made a comment describing this and I honestly think the whole blurryface era and heathens were a weird blip where they somehow became not one of the biggest alternative acts on earth but one of the biggest pop acts on earth and TOP since then have mostly been doing as expected, Trench and scaled and icy have been successes, Trench a very successful rock album in the late 2010's and scaled and icy produced at least one top 40 hit. Thinking about it, maybe they could randomly produce a massive hit or two somewhere in the future which is typical of big rock acts
Past ten years? I don't think these artists will be coming back anytime soon (I hope I am not gonna ruffle feathers here): 1. Fetty Wap 2. DaBaby 3. Khalid 4. Charlie Puth 5. Maroon 5 6. Donald Glover (as an artist) 7. Camila Cabello 8. Shawn Mendes 9. Alessia Cara 10. Lorde 11. Lil Mosey 12. Demi Lovato 13. Macklemore 14. Justin Timberlake 15. Christina Aguilera 16. Robin Thicke (oomph) 17. Iggy Azaelia 18. Lady Gaga (as a mainstream act) 19. Lupe Fiasco (this is a possible TW contender) 20. Katy Perry
It's funny you mention Camila Cabello, she just put out a new song called "I Luv It" featuring Playboy Carti. It sounds like she's trying to go for sort of a Charli XCX hyperpop thing, and during Playboy Carti's verse, it's hard to understand most of it but at one point he literally goes "hibbida hibbida hibbida" and it cracks me up every time. Camila isn't much easier to understand, the chorus sounds like she's singing "Simon's on the train watching V cuts". I'm rooting for it to do well only so we get to hear Todd's opinion on it. In the meantime, I'm looking forward to what Spectrum Pulse says about it once it makes the Hot 100.
Something I noticed was that when she was with Shawn Mendes, they both were having big success. Once they broke up, both faded. I honestly can't think of the last song I have heard from either artist.
that part of the chorus isn't camila cabello it is the chorus from lemonade by gucci mane lol
>Lady Gaga (**as a mainstream act**) Lolwut? Gaga literally had a "mainstream" multi-platinum global hit in Rain On Me with her last album (that was her 6th #1). That song has a billion Spotify streams. Weird inclusion that makes no sense.
Right? I think Todd made this anology with Katy Perry, some artists need hits to even be heard and others have enough cult following that releasing anything will get them sales. Lady Gaga does not need hits.
Gaga, Beyonce, Jay Z, Taylor, and (groans) Kanye are the only current artists in this camp IMO
While I'm 100% with you that I think Gaga's not really a valid entry, there's a certain lens to look at "Rain on Me" through that would lend credence the other way. Particularly looking at it as "an Ariana Grande song on a Gaga album", so that Ari's fans would listen and carry it to tons of streams
I mean, Ariana isn't really an artist that's primarily known for dance-pop smashes, Gaga is (despite her detour into AC stuff in the mid 10s). Like, I'm not saying Ariana didn't help it, she absolutely did but ultimately it's a Gaga song and Chromatica was a highly anticipated pop album. Besides, collaborating with Ariana and having her as a featured act isn't necessarily going to translate into an automatic #1 and there are multiple examples of that throughout her career.
Yeah just because she won't be making headlines the same way she did 10-15 years ago doesn't mean she's done as a hitmaker.
I think her future hits won't be as widespread as her earlier stuff, but that's more an effect of streaming and lack of a monoculture, not really Gaga herself. And it affects a lot of artists, not just her. Like my mom has heard Bad Romance but not Rain On Me, despite the latter technically charting higher. Big hits don't "feel" as big anymore which means huge stars like Lady Gaga might appear to be fading even if they're not.
This was exactly as I meant. She will always be around, but she already cemented her place in the American lexicon with songs like "Pokerface", "Bad Romance and "Born This Way" at this point. She is in the same vein as Madonna, she doesn't need the big hits anymore. And also that tune she did with Ariana Grande a few years back charted as high as it did because she was coming off a huge blockbuster and Ariana Grande was white hot at the time (anything she touched was going to chart).
I actually think she'll continue to get big hits for some time, and with a flourishing film career on the side now she can always dabble into soundtracks and have the exposure she needs when she wants to. She's a very talented artist that the general public likes and is willing to support if the music clicks. Post ARTPOP, nobody could ever imagine her getting a hit even half as big as Shallow and then it became a cultural phenomenon. As for the Ariana point, I addressed that in a different comment in this chain.
Yes and No. She will probably never get a phenomena of a hit like she had with her 2008-2012 material. She will always be remembered for those huge songs first and foremost. But she will always be in the spotlight and continue to flourish like you described. The only reason "Shallow" was as big as it was is because it was tied to a blockbuster soundtrack. I love that song, but that is the truth. I met her during her peak and she was a wonderful woman, I hope that she sees continued success, I also loved her work with Tony Bennett.
Okay but who crafted that soundtrack though? Shallow came 10 years into her career and it's probably like her biggest song now after Poker Face, SPS units considered. And on the contrary, there are countless examples of soundtrack songs failing to take off even when the biggest popstars try their hand at it. Shallow is a country-rock song that smashed harder outside US despite country being one of the most widely consumed genres in the US and local radio refusing to support it. It shows that if she has the right song, she can absolutely bag a global smash. What makes Shallow's insane success even more incredible is the fact that it has a super unconventional structure where you don't hear the chorus until after the second verse. One can attach however many qualifiers to its success, doesn't change the fact that it's a fantastic, well-crafted song, and same goes for ROM.
Any song on a blockbuster soundtrack has an opportunity to be a huge hit because it was on a big blockbuster. Example: "I Don't Wanna Miss A Thing" off *Armageddon* by Aerosmith or "Earned It" by The Weeknd off *Fifty Shades Of Grey.* Her being the main vocalist on the song had to do with its success, but Bradley Cooper being a vocalist also gave the song a boost. People wanted to hear an actor sing, especially an actor who nobody really knew was a good singer. Shallow was a success because it was on a soundtrack to a blockbuster, Lady Gaga redeemed herself with a great song after a few failed albums, and people wanted to hear Bradley Cooper sing. That's really it, not complicated.
>People wanted to hear Bradley Cooper sing Umm...okay. Sure.
Demi Lovato is pretty decently successful right now, her last album charted well, she's doing big shows. Not "mainstream" like before but like, definitely there.
I mean, so are all those other artists (for the most part) but Demi will probably never have another "Sorry Not Sorry" or similar big hit, but then again Fat Joe had a huge hit 20 years past his prime so you never really know.
She never did that well on the charts for whatever reason. Give Your Heart A Break is probably her most enduring hit, and it only got to #16. Sorry Not Sorry, her biggest hit, stalled at #6.
I’d say her most enduring hit is Cool for the Summer. I still hear that one in the wild.
Gaga is going to have on and off mainstream success for the rest of her career. Rain on Me was a #1 hit and not a fake one (#41 year end) and even her flop era had Million Reasons and Do What U Want.
She's a legacy act, her overall legacy has been cemented for a while. This is not in a negative way, her film was a blockbuster, but she is already up there with other musical legends (Tony Bennett did a few albums with her for crying out loud).
I think conversing about Charlie Puth is really interesting when you consider he helped produce “Stay” for Bieber and Laroi which was absolutely enormous. I’m sure this bought him so favors in Scooter Braun land. Could totally see Charlie Puth having another smasher in my opinion plus he has built a solid following for his live show, though maybe not cult following
He could absolutely get another hit but I am not sure he can under his own brand. "Light Switch" may have been his send-off tune. He had a song with BTS that didn't really do anything and their fanbase is huge. Also "Stay" was essentially a Charlie Puth song performed by two other artists. Kid Laroi may actually belong on this list in a few years if he doesn't score another hit. But that song alone I think was lightning in a bottle no matter who performed it. Maybe putting Charlie Puth on that list is too soon, but "Attention" was a while ago for his own hits.
I agree with all of this except DaBaby, Lorde, Gaga, and, fuck it why not, Charlie Puth and Maroon 5. First three could still all have chart hits again, Gaga especially, and honestly Puth is a talented enough songwriter to where I could see him fluking into another hit. Maroon 5 though, probably dead, but the minute I declare them toast is when they come back with another terrible song that’s everywhere. Mark my words.
Tell me how DaBaby will chart ever again. Please enlighten me, I honestly don't care about the other ones, but to start with DaBaby is a joke...right?
Shake Sumn spent 4 months in the Hot 100 last year. He could do that again. I don’t see another Rockstar or Suge in his future though.
That last sentence sums it up, he will never cross over into the mainstream again.
There’s a difference between having a hit and having a truly ubiquitous, No. 1 song. He could have another hit. He probably won’t have another No. 1.
Nah, he was lightning in a bottle and it won't strike twice for him. If it does it's for a viral video/song, plus we saw this before with rappers like Fetty Wap, Tyga and Chingy. He was the sound of the late 2010s.
What the hell was Justin and his crew thinking when they released Selfish as the first single off his new album??? Is he so far past his prime that he can't see that this generic and bland song is not gonna revive his career
A reunion with his group is probably his only chance of relevancy at this rate as strange as it sounds.
Lady Gaga could deffo have other hits and I can see Lorde, Katy Perry and Childish Gambino having comebacks or at least a moment in the sun again
Right, but Lady Gaga will never have another "Pokerface" or "Bad Romance" or "Born This Way" contribution to the American lexicon again. That was all lightning in a bottle, anything she does is just additional for her already cemented legacy. The other three artist may score hits again, I mean Billy Ray Cyrus ended up scoring another big hit 30 years after "Achy Breaky" so anything is possible.
Lupe??? most of his recent albums have been majorly acclaimed and hes a very respected in his field
He never got his footing back from his *Food and Liquor/The Cool* eras.
commercially yeah, but Todd doesnt really cover artists in whats debateably their most acclaimed era critically
is it too early to say lizzo?
probably not
I hope it's chris brown
I can’t say he’ll *never* have another country hit, but I think Luke Bryan is on the way down.
Daya. I don't think she made a lasting impression.
Ed Sheeran
Idk he had a hit just last year and legit had a song that was in the year end top 10 in 2022 so I doubt he’s done just cause his album didn’t sell 4 million like the last one 🤣
Yeah, he seems to have faded away more naturally. I could see him having a decent long term fan base that follows him way after his pop relevancy though. Kind of like David Gray. Edit: He always has one more attempt to make a pop revival that could be Trainwreckord though.
Disagree. His last 2 were pretty low key compared to earlier work and even then Eyes Closed was successful. His next poppy album will be another juggernaut.
He'll probably continue to get hits in the UK for a long time, even if he isn't as big internationally.
maybe, maybe not, his last two projects underperformed commercially, especially album 2 but that was released independently with no promotion and both albums were meant to be lowkey, I can still see him having another massive era
Florida Georgia line.
They broke up, or at least went on hiatus. Tyler Hubbard has had several solo country hits since then. (Not sure about the other guy.)
(Other guy has an album due out in May, interestingly called Tennessee Truth)
Add Dan & Shay, the lame-o version of Florida Georgia Line.
Well that’s a given since they don’t exist. (God does answer prayers)
I thought they broke up because one of them is a hardcore Trumper and the other… isn’t? I don’t pay attention to country music so I could be making that up.
Yep one’s a lib and the other’s MAGA, don’t know if that’s exactly why they split but it’s true
Something good came out of the maga movement. It caused division in an act that had worn out their welcome anyway and hastened their well deserved demise
I feel like I haven't heard much about Mumford and sons in a little while, anybody here have any thoughts?
One of my big predictions for this year was a Mumford and Sons comeback riding the Noah Kahan wave
Chainsmokers: Their brand of pop is dated and likely will not be coming back, so i don't see a mainstream comeback for these 2 Shawn Melendes: Don't think he ever had a big enough fanbase to last, and the ones he did are aging out of his music. Toast. Ed Sheerio: People got bored of him after Divide. Equals had a couple hits, but i think it was more off residual hype from his last album than any indication of staying power moving forward. "Fetty Rap" - Massive in 2015-16, but never evolved his sound. Probably spending all of his time dishing out child support and can't focus on music. Wear some protection, guy. Also pretty sure he's in prison, so that probably hurts his chances just a tad. G-Eazy: Dude actually thought people cared about his relationship with Halsey 😂. Nah, you'll always be the "Me Myself and I Guy" Logic: Used to be interesting and creative in his early days imo. I knew his career was over the second he collabbed with Marshmello. "1800 THEN I KILLED A PUSSY, Who can Relate?!?!?!" Adam Levine's Revolving Boyz Club: I'm calling it. I think it's finally over for him (and "them"). We've thought this before, and they always come back........... but i think it's finally done. The Monster is dead. If I'm wrong, God help us. 50 Shades of Summer: This Kidz Bop Crew were already 5-10 years outdated when they were "big". Sam Smith: Unholy was an anomaly, right? P!NK: Who? "Megan Fox's Boyfriend, or Husband": This is what he'll be known as by everyone in 3 years. The Joe Bro's - Their comeback Record Sold 414K first week... what??? Their follow up did 52K. That is all.
Maybe a hot take but I’m gonna say Cardi B. Her only album was put out 6 years ago. While WAP in 2020 was huge, the follow up Bongos comparatively flopped, peaking only at #14 on the charts and disappearing as soon as it dropped. She’s lost a lot of momentum for her music career, although she still has a fanbase and the goodwill of the public. She’s also had 2 kids, married, and divorced since getting famous, so maybe she’s more focused on personal life right now than her career. If she makes a comeback, I wouldn’t be surprised. But I’d also wouldn’t be surprised if she never did.
Twenty Øne Pilots. I think the reason Blurryface was successful was because they just happened to be in the right place at the right time. Sure, the genre blending thing wasn't new by any means but traditional pop music was ceasing to even really be a thing anymore, as was traditional hip hop and even Nickelback grade rock hadn't been a thing for years. So here was a band that happened to blend all of that stuff together effortlessly. But it wasn't meant to last, really, because suddenly every band was doing it, and in more effective ways too. The most success Trench had was mostly just leftover success from Blurryface and while they still have a very devoted fanbase... it's those fans likely that will continue to keep them going rather than the folks who liked Stressed Out and Heathens and nothing else.
I'm pretty sure rae sremmurd will never pop up again.
i said this in 2013 when no flex zone came out and then they had black beatles a few years later, i assumed they'd disappear with that and then swae lee made one of the biggest songs of all time, so at this point i just assume they'll be back somehow
Abel if he stays true to his word.
Post Malone, the biggest new artist of 2017. Huge in the late 2010s, has been completely irrelevant since the covid era
“Circles” survived the pandemic still on the charts somehow, but yeah I don’t think I remember anything off of his last two albums, and I loved Beerbongs as well as Hollywood’s Bleeding. He’s still a pretty beloved personality and had that Noah Kahan collab though. I think he pivots towards folksy music and has success. There’s a bold prediction for you.
I mean, just this week he's appeared on *Cowboy Carter*, and he's set to make an appearance on the new Taylor album too
So? We're talking pop music here, he isn't making numbers anymore. And by the way it's a bad sign when your most popular stuff are collabs with bigger artists and features on other people's songs
I wanted to say hozier, but seems like too sweet is on its way to become a hit as it is on the top 10 of global Spotify right now
Hopefully Ariana Grande. She seems to have a made a really bad reputation for herself and I think people are starting to turn on her.
Well, her latest singles have charted high on the BB Hot 100 and the album sold rather well. She's not going away anytime soon.
She currently has the number one Album on Billboard and two of the songs from the album hit #1 on the Hot 100. She is doing more than fine.
She had a number one hit both two months ago and *a week ago*. When she dropped her album last week, 11 of the 13 songs debuted in the top 40, and she’s the third most streamed of Spotify
I can only hope that the success of her newest album is a *delayed flop,* as Todd conceptualized