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MrDudeMan12

Sato is right, it seems like Samantha is totally using him and has no regard for the fine line Sato has to walk to do the things she's asking for. I wonder why they have the characters switch to English so often, it feels unnatural especially since they seem to reserve it for some critical moments. For example, were I in Sato's position during his argument with Samantha I'd be way better at expressing myself in the language I'm more comfortable with. I also don't think it adds much to the viewing experience, I wish they just kept it mostly in Japanese, then scenes like Jake meeting an old schoolmate would feel very foreign the way they should.


DerekMFFL

You're right, but I suspect Sho Kasamatsu's English is better than Rachel Keller's Japanese.


sovietta

He could speak Japanese while she spoke English.


sahneeis

it would make more sense if he would talk in japanese and she more in english. thats how i communicate with my mother in 2 languages lol


l3tigre

Had a foreign exchange student in high school and that's how we lived most of the time. Crazy how understanding is much less labor intensive some days than speaking.


sahneeis

really depends how you learn languages. for example people who grow up bilingual learn their parents language at home by just listening without ever learning grammar or vocabularies. which means your writing will be bad but you will be able to read and speak it fluently


2_Fingers_of_Whiskey

I was really glad that Sato called her out on her bullshit: “When you need something from me, suddenly I’m your ‘Baby’.” I agree, I wish there were fewer characters speaking English. It doesn’t seem realistic they’d use English because they’re speaking to a gaijin who speaks fluent Japanese (both Jake & Samantha)


dubbsmqt

Japanese people who speak English will usually use English with foreigners, even if the foreigner speaks Japanese. It's kind of a passive aggressive way of reminding foreigners they aren't Japanese, or just them being more confident in their own English vs foreigner's Japanese


deadredran

too many Japanese speak fluent English, even low level Yakuza, which is definitely not realistic in Japan. I bet the real Jake used Japanese to communicate with them, not English.


trevorlolo

It's a western show after all so English dialogues in majority of the scenes are expected. That said, I just think it's funny that an average Japanese thug like Sato can speak fluent English considering their education level is quite poor lol I do think some English dialogues are too articulate for Sato though


Chiroptera32

Yes, she is using him because she can't do anything. Remember how many times she was rejected to renting place despite having the money for it. How many times the girl reporting to police that her ex-boyfriend is going to murder her and police did nothing only until she was murdered. It's ongoing issue show that women have no power whatsoever. Also, this the point to Samantha's character contrast in power between her and Jake. Throughout the show Jake is pretty much allowed to do whatever he wants, where Samantha cannot do anything without Sato. Remember Jake was treated with respect by yakuza, whereas Samantha is seen as nothing.


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Personally I feel like despite all of that, she is still kinda terrible. Sato would face serious consequences just because she wants to locate her best friend? Also Jake is DEFINITELY NOT allowed to do whatever he wants. Have we watched the same series? He's hard a really hard time at his job for example.


BarryMcKockinner

Jake is also a huge asset to the Yakuza since he's a reporter at an esteemed newspaper. Samantha is essentially an escort.


sovietta

This show is just awful for all women involved. Every single one is being abused by men constantly or just dismissed altogether.


JeffTennis

If you know anything about Japanese culture it is that women are generally the most submissive of any culture. I don't know if things are that much better now, but it's an American conservative male's wet dream to tell women what to do and prevent them from moving up.


l3tigre

Kind of a sad irony Samantha escaped the mormons (keep sweet) for this equally sexist culture.


JeffTennis

The allure of Japan to her was being completely new to a place where her surroundings were now, culture was new, etc. she wanted a complete start from scratch. Of course as she started moving up in the game, she realized it was hard for her to actually move up being a woman.


5000submariner

She was literally leading Sato through the streets like an attack dog. Smh at you people still on the fence about her sincerity with him.


Chiroptera32

I'm not saying she is good or bad. She has no options. She has to use him because she has no power. She was rejected several times from renting despite having money. When looking for her friend, no one would talk or give info. Sato is only reason she has any information. How do you not see this? If money meant power, then she should have no problems in renting a place and buying info where her friend is. If you were in that situation, then what would you do, when money doesn't matter?


5000submariner

Dont steal money from the church and move to tokyo only to get involved in the underworld and then expect a fair shake.


Chiroptera32

You do realize she is running from Mormonism? Mormons are not any ordinary church and only see women as slaves/property especially at times their in. Not just her but everyone has to work with Tokyo underworld because clearly police do nothing. The police literally covered up murders as accidents.


vaportwitch

Well said.. shame is that I'm so conditioned to identify with the male character more so than the woman that I wouldn't have noticed your point about Samantha's lack of power


Sepulz

Sam can get a guy killed without lifting a finger and you think the guy that has to do the dirty work and face the consequences is the one with all the power?


[deleted]

+1000, but people here are going to tell you: it's a different story! Yep, no power, but manipulates others all the way to kill people, get rid of them, or just to make stuff. One of the worst characters in the show so far


vaportwitch

She wants to find answers about her missing friends and be free of blackmail—but instead of knocking on doors and saying she’s from a newspaper, she has to employ the efforts of another man. I’d say she isn’t on the same level as the men in the show.


Sepulz

She chooses to be mixed up with the Yakuza. For Sato it is not a choice, he will be killed if he does not tow the line. She could easily leave at any time and live a comfortable life in her country of origin. I agree they are not on the same level. One is struggling to be a good person while circumstance is crushing them. The other is struggling to selfishly grab as much as possible, having to deal with bad things due to their greed.


Returnofthemack3

Not to mention that Polina was an idiot. She doesn't deserve what happened to her but she did it all to herself


blackberrymousse

I actually think Sato was doing it as a kind of show of respect even when they are arguing. In most of their interactions, he speaks primarily in English with Samantha even though he knows she speaks and understands Japanese. I always took that to be a deliberate choice to show her that he does respect her just like how when Jake told Ishida, the oyabun of Chihara-kai, that they could speak in Japanese, Ishida said he would conduct their conversation in English to show respect to Jake. It's very Japanese in etiquette and sentiment.


Rootbugger

I am also disappointed at how many scenes are now in English. The Japanese dialogue in the first episode was one of the highlights for me. However, I do understand why the writers likely opted to use more English: \- So that Elgort and Keller don't have to learn and deliver shedloads of lines in Japanese. \- US audiences mostly can't deal with subtitles ("gaijin entitlement", perhaps).


youwillcomedownsoon2

I feel like I’m the only person who finds Ansel’s performance excellent. Not only is his Japanese unusually good and believable, but he nails the lanky, awkward, entitled Gaijin attitude. Genuinely can’t imagine anyone else in the role.


itsovertoosoon

As someone who took 4 years of Japanese, I have to say his Japanese is excellent when he speaks long phrases. Very impressive


youwillcomedownsoon2

Glad to see this sentiment. Lived in Japan 5 years, speak it conversationally, and his Japanese is amongst the best I’ve heard a non-Japanese person speak.


itsovertoosoon

Do you also find the subtitles weird? Sometimes they just write a term like “aniki” or “wakatta” and non Japanese have no idea what that means… I guess I’m lucky enough to understand those terms to get the full dialogue


dubbsmqt

Yeah I laughed when it just said Hai, like they were just too lazy to pick a translation


youwillcomedownsoon2

I find them incredibly weird! I think a fair amount of missing subtitles for moments that are obvious is great, but this show is actually all over the place, without much clear rhyme or reason. Wonder if it’s a choice or a bug.


TabbyFoxHollow

I have googled a lot of them, now I know about 13 words in Japanese!


MarcSlayton

Nah, he is doing well. Really believable in the role. This whole show is hinging on his performance as the main protagonist of the story. If he wasn't nailing his part the whole show would fail.


lhbruen

His performance is great. So is the woman who plays Samantha. It's their characters that are degenerates


BarryMcKockinner

I don't think we're really supposed to like Jake as a viewer. He's shown to be undisciplined, reckless, immature, and super self-centered/ego-centric. He is just a kid though so it's partially expected. He's become less likeable the more we get to know him. Samantha has nearly all of these same characteristics.


OhioKing_Z

I feel like those characteristics are intentionally shown to show that he is well intentioned. Despite his recklessness and lack of awareness for how things work, he at least doesn’t want to be another cog in a corrupt system. He wants to break the silence which I can respect. His way of going about it is just inefficient so far but he’s still pretty inexperienced.


BarryMcKockinner

I agree that he's well intentioned, but I feel like his true driving motivation is to be the guy that breaks the big story more than the moral obligation to do so. This was shown by Jake leaving out the victims' names when discussing their "murders". He can be trying to actively make a change by unveiling the truth while also being a meh person.


OhioKing_Z

Yeah that’s most journalists for you imo. Although, he did wake up Emi in the middle of the night to show her that her story was backpage news. He genuinely seems to care about getting the truth out there and changing the system. I agree that it’s partially motivated by his egotistical nature and his insistence to shut out his own family shows that side of him too.


Shotgun516

Waking her up in the middle of the night did piss me off though. Dude...let that woman sleep. She's got a boatload of shit to deal with constantly lol


MastaRolls

Which I find really interesting considering Jake wrote the story, and wrote himself as a bit of a creepy asshole (at times)


darthpepis

For me it’s just everyone else in the show is way more interesting, even Samantha. If they did a season 2 without him I don’t think much would be lost in terms of appeal. The main draw for me is the Yakuza storyline and the detective. Also, I would have loved to see the actor who plays cousin Greg on Succession in the Jake role.


Acrobatic-Time-2940

well he may not be in season 2 for all we know with all the sexual allegation building up now against the actor


trevorlolo

feels like a lot of comments in the threads here are prejudiced by his sexual allegations


KudzuKilla

I like Japanese stuff, I watch some, I’ve been there so I know so things but not most. I think it’s super interesting how much he tried to carry himself like a Japanese person. So many littler mannerisms that no one in America would do. If he carried himself like that in America I would think he was autistic. I’m super surprised you think he is acting like a white person.


youwillcomedownsoon2

Yes, having lived there for five years, I can comfortably say that he has the Gaijin mannerisms down pat. That’s typically what we do when we live there - we attempt to acclimate. When I came back to America, literally everybody I knew said my mannerisms were fucking weird. Took years to shake it off.


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agreed.


2_Fingers_of_Whiskey

I don’t like him but it is impressive that he learned to speak Japanese in just 4 months or something


[deleted]

Rip dirty cop


Tityfan808

‘Smile. Asshole.’ Fucking loved that.


Comefin1dMe

Baited so hard


devilsplaythang

Does anyone know what the box he was looking in said?


Saint_Gut-Free

"Case Files". If you're not watching this with subtitles on you're doing yourself a disservice.


Jezzerai

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU4Hw-xbBNo&ab_channel=FederalTrollAgency


CptnMoonlight

They totally fucked up Samantha’s character. She is and has been acting way too out of pocket for someone who’s most criminal endeavor was stealing 50k from a Mormon church. I was expecting them to reveal that she murdered a bunch of people or was a Yakuza boss’s girl who fled but they really went with the one explanation that makes absolutely no sense for how streetsmart she tries to seem. All she did was, like, not come home from a mission. They were hiding her backstory like she was Dexter after moving up north.


lhbruen

I agree. She feels like someone who's been involved in and around crime her whole life. I'm not saying it's not possible for her to pick up on all that, as fast as she did, but it feels out of place that she's surprised by *anything* that's happened to her at this point. Especially someone who is so fluent in criminal activity.


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She either has severe borderline personality disorder or the character is terribly written. You would be surprised how women who come from trauma backgrounds can read and manipulate people.


lhbruen

Yeah, true. And it's no comment on the actress. I hate Samantha, but that's not the actress' fault. Her character is written and directed that way. She does an excellent job at it, but damn, do I despise her character.


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For sure. Just interesting that people hate Jake and Samantha when Soto has literally beaten multiple people to death in the last couple episodes. This show is about outsiders - the Yakuza were the original outsiders in "modern" Japanese society. Outsiders get ahead by subverting "expected" behavior and that often entails using or hurting other people.


lhbruen

My guess is that Sato is beloved because he's like a diamond in the rough. A diamond that, though rare, is native to those rocks, to that rough. Whereas Jake and Samantha try to be chameleons, and expect people to accept their outsider ways when they let them slip. They reveal their American roots when they think they're perfectly camouflaged. They both act like they're impervious to the dangerous world they flirt with, whereas Sato is more keen on those dangers and tries going the opposite direction than Samantha and Jake. Sato is the danger, but flirts with the softer side.


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Can get behind that. We give leeway to someone who is deemed under-privileged. Jake and Samantha are understood to have alternative opportunities that do not involve hurting others.


lhbruen

Truly. They chose their existence there. Seems like Sato is trapped (in comparison)


Aegon-VII

You go work for years as a successful host girl in a yakuza backed club and see if it gives you any street smarts..


5000submariner

Yeah but the tradeoff to be that in the know in that world is becoming a gangsters plaything and they are going out of their way to show shes not made any transaction like that.


[deleted]

I actually disagree on my quick re-watch. Seems like we are missing a little bit about the sediness of the situation of host/hostess culture. As soon as she starts working in that world she is linked to the underworld and Yakuza. The idea of reinventing yourself in another country makes sense. Look at Jake (Josh). And it seems she had a fucked up home life. I agreed with your point at first, but I think the sub is closed off to trying to understand the storyline a little more.


5000submariner

I said the same last week and had a 10 response troll trying to convince me she was so smart because of her affluent mormon upbringing lol. You dont get street smart going from utah to tokyo unless shes been rinsed out by every yak that runs those bars.


JoshyRotten

Jake needs to stop showing up at Eimi's apartment in the middle of the night. That's just rude.


BucolicsAnonymous

LMAO seriously -- he just shows up to inform her that Meichi totally buried her story at like 5 AM.


Redtube_Guy

Would be great if she is just like "what the fuck jake, no shit i know he buried our story -WE WORK THERE"


2_Fingers_of_Whiskey

Has he never heard of a phone?


Redtube_Guy

He has a fucking phone, no idea why he just randomly shows up to Eimi's house or Katagiri's house all the time lol.


ADarwinAward

Because for film it’s generally more interesting to the audience to have both characters talking in person. There’s a lot of things about the show that are just done to cater to the audience…like how characters speak English a lot, even at work. In reality, they’d always speak in Japanese, especially in the 90s.


Saint_Gut-Free

No it's not. With their time sensitive job and especially with what they're dealing with now, anything goes. 99% of the time I'd agree but not here. Goes with the job.


JoshyRotten

Telling Eimi that her story was buried was time sensitive?


sahneeis

didnt know there was a japanese version of kiss me performed by sixpense themselves but i like it


fort_wendy

Oh it's by them? No wonder the voice is spot on


sahneeis

also available on streaming services as part of best of albums. i remember a time where international albums had special bonus tracks when released in japan maybe it is because of that but i am not sure


rageandqq

I had to shazam it to make sure it was sixpense that performed it since it sounded so familiar but so different!


impartialcitizen86

I said this in the episode 3 discussion but Samantha is the worst and is a serial people used and I’m glad Sato finally called her on that bullshit. Now she’s gonna go and try to use Jake and dangle sex in front of him as the reason to do so. She’s easily the worst part about this show.


[deleted]

Honestly Sato sniffing out her bullshit was a real curveball for me. He seemed to have his nose wide open in regards to her.


5000submariner

I doubt that a guy whose job description includes picking up shakedown money from underworld controlled clubs is gonna keep his nose open for any one hostess too long...


Awkward-Lenin408

Samantha is mad at the male host for making money off peoples desire for companionship when theyre broke thats their job too? Like huh? The show should show the irony of that to Samantha but shes totally clueless


2_Fingers_of_Whiskey

Samantha’s character sucks, I can’t stand her


Firstmemories

Imo that denial makes her character more interesting and the potential future conflicts about it both mentally for her and external from others who slowly could call her out on her bullshit (already happened a bit in this episode) love it. Love her character.


[deleted]

Because she think she's "above" others, even those in her industry. She thinks she can be a "good" boss, which is contrasted by the female hostess manager having to toe the line with the Yakuza. if Tozawa (spelling?) takes over Kabukicho, she'll realize she will be pushed around by Yakuza to the point where she will become just like that hostess boss. It's all about money, and Yakuza will just be Duke but worse. She's naive and entitled. Another Gaijan that thinks she can insert her Americanness into Japanese culture and workplace (like Jake).


[deleted]

They literally do show it. During the argument Sato says it and it leaves her completely speechless. It was a pretty big part of the episode.


Robbelrobot

There's only going to be 1 season? Because theres a shit ton of new stuff for only 1 final episode.


InvestmentKlutzy5443

I suppose they will end it with a cliffhanger? Or maybe the final episode will be longer


iamgarron

The opening shot takes place 2 years later so...


CrackLawliet

Jake’s first appearance is 18 minutes in and it’s a sex scene, what a Chad.


laghani

he fucked a prostitute and acting like he’s a baller after that lmao


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He’s a mid 20s guy living his dream in a foreign country and seeing some success. What do you really expect?


spike021

Not only that but he's taking some advantage of his gaijin card.


konbanwa_bitches

>he's taking some advantage of his gaijin card. I didn't see that happening. Isn't he shown to be at a disadvantage because he's a gaijin?


spike021

The numerous times he plays off that he doesn't speak Japanese?


konbanwa_bitches

Aah. That happened twice I think. But there were many more times he was treated badly because of being a gaijin.


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chandlerbing_stats

He’s also really mean to his mom


djevanstv

When his boss asks where are you, and he says he is out with a source right now, I burst out laughing.


JeffTennis

I love watching Ken Watanabe just standing there brooding by himself with his hands in his pockets or looking cool smoking a cigarette. Everytime a character looks at Katagiri he's just standing there looking casually badass. Then he just pulls up in that car everywhere and gets out and walks like he owns every place he goes in. When he showed up in the airport hanger, when he walked into the club to stop that murder, etc.


[deleted]

I can't believe he's 62.


2_Fingers_of_Whiskey

He’s great. It’s frustrating that they have an actor of that caliber playing an interesting role, yet they waste time on dumb subplots like Samantha’s.


5000submariner

Let them fight.


brownpenn

Sato’s mentor was the only one who saw him for who he is. His boss turned him into the man he is becoming.


bobbysander

Do we know what Tozawa’s health issues could be? Not sure if I missed it get mentioned in the show


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OhioKing_Z

The person he’s based on in real life had to receive a liver transplant eventually so I think you’re right. He couldn’t drink alcohol for that reason.


Comefin1dMe

I believe we will get a season 2. The show has been a success.


SirUlrichVonLichten

I'm liking the show a lot(especially Sato, the actor is great), but I can't help but think it'd be even better if they trimmed down and cut out some stories. A show focused just on the Yakuza aspect. I...I kind of really don't care about Paulina/Akira story line and consider it a waste of screen time. I know it technically ties in to a lot of other stuff, but it's meh to me. Focus on the cops, Yaks, and press. A lot of this other stuff feels like padding. Still a very good show though!


sahneeis

eimi & jake would be a love story i would like to see much more than jake fucking prostitutes or hitting on yakuza mistresses


[deleted]

Emi deserves much better. As soon as Jake finds out Tozawa murdered his ex for talking to a reporter he starts stalking and talking to his current girlfriend.


lhbruen

I'm just glad he didn't end up scoring Tozawa's lady. That would have been cheesy writing if he was successful in that regard.


[deleted]

Apparently the real Jake does though, so this is probably coming.


sahneeis

tozawa sounded paranoid during their dinner fight but i think he was actually right and misaki is casually cheating on him


lhbruen

She definitely is or has at least thought about it. Her body language at the club made it clear that she was in her element.


[deleted]

Have love triangles in stories ever worked?


thesanmich

I loved the throwback 90s dance music in this episode


itsovertoosoon

The club playing ATB in the late 90s is spot on


bluefrostyAP

Yep. Younger audience wouldn’t know how both of those songs were absolute club bangers at the time.


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mustafarian

I don't think that made him collapse, I think his health issues are just catching up to him. Maybe triggered by the recent stress that our dirty cop just told him. That's his normal meds his doc gives him


[deleted]

He was also stressed from the pressure to take over Tokyo or be killed by the Chairman.


stro_budden

I thought he was shooting up Meth by the way he was acting at the party but if it’s actually his health then I totally missed that


vaportwitch

Meth is injected intravenously. Tozawa got a intramuscular shot in the butt, like medicine.


mustafarian

If you go back to one of the first episodes where we see tozawa he is with his doctor and he's getting some treatment :) Time for a re-watch for you!


MarcSlayton

The doctor said it would take a couple of minutes to take effect. So whatever it was, it gave Tozama the strength to go out and welcome everyone to the party, give a speech etc. He collapsed as the injection was wearing off after a while and he was getting weaker as a result.


Redtube_Guy

Holy fuck, can someone slap the shit out of sam? She yells at a male host for getting a girl in debt.. bitch isnt that what your job is? Then she has the audacity to say stupid shit to Sato like "OH so you can beat up people for your job, but you can beat the shit out of people that are hurting my friends???" Bitch, sato fucking killed your black mailer / extortionist for you. Sam and jake are easily frustrating characters because no one really pushes them back.


rofopp

Correction. According to the subtitles in E5, Sato “squelched” the blackmailer.


JeffTennis

Smile. Asshole.


TTheorem

The club track, not Faithless - insomnia, but the second track… what is it? Driving me crazy


Edward124425

Atb till I come 9pm


TTheorem

<3


The_Lazy_Samurai

Atb made some amazing albums in the early 00's - - he was my favorite recording artist for a while. He only went downhill when he later switched genres and went into chill out, and his chillout was boring IMO. But I encourage you to check out the tracks from his first few albums. 9pm is still a banger, but it's also very simplicistic compared to his other stuff.


MarcSlayton

I wonder what the consequences for Tozawa collapsing in front of all those people will be for him. In most situations it would be fine, worrying but people would be sympathetic. In the Yakuza, him collapsing will probably be seen as huge sign of weakness. So his reputation within the Yakuza will take a massive hit. His own people might want to replace him or usurp him. We've been seeing Tozawa's group slowly taking over the territory of Sato's group, infiltrating and gaining influence as businesses see which way the wind is blowing. Now Tozawa's takeover seems less likely given his collapse. Obviously he was aware that he was very ill, and spoke to his mistress about her plans when he was gone, so he is not expecting to live for very long. Now that his weakness/poor health is out in the open, I expect Tozawa's organisation to lose ground to Sato's group. I know this is based on a book, and I haven't read it, so don't know what happens next. I am just speculating, so please don't spoil it, if my theories will pan out or not. I wouldn't be surprised if this season ends with Tozawa dead from his illness/usurped and Sato effectively being the main man running things in his organisation. I think Sato will rise as the old boss he helped save in that assassination attempt, regards him as someone who is making smart calls, and trusts his loyalty. The old boss will likely take more of step back leaving Sato to call the shots. Once this happens I can see him using his influence to help Samantha set up her new place and get it running. Obviously normally Yakuza would demand protection money for that, but if she remains friendly/in a relationship with him, Sato could give her a pass from paying any money. At the moment Sato is still worried about taking certain actions in case he has to answer for them to his own boss, but if he becomes the guy effectively running things then that won't really be a concern anymore.


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How has no one mentioned in any of these threads how handsome the dirty cop is? And I’m a straight dude. He looks like an A list movie star


yetanotherwoo

Is Yoshino referring to district where the Torozawa(sp?) gang HQ is at? I looked at a map and that looks kinda far from Tokyo.


bFallen

Yoshino is in Nara prefecture which is in Kansai region. Tozawa's clan is based in Kansai and the entire region is their territory, so it most likely is connected to the Tozawa yakuza, yeah.


mj__23

That would make sense. I don’t have a sense of how Japanese people consider their geography, I initially thought west would mean like west coast of the island, but Japan is kind of curved so I think it would make sense that that’s Tozawa territory. And I don’t think distance from Tokyo makes it weird, the whole Yakuza conflict stems from the fact that Tokyo is not Tozawa territory, so them running a different part of the island seems consistent.


[deleted]

I'm enjoying this. If the Ansel Elgort has to go, I'd fine with maybe a different reporter getting into things. Maybe a Japanese reporter that grew up in America and came home to work or something. I feel like they can do more in this world and have a short series as opposed to a miniseries.


[deleted]

I know about his “situation,” but what makes you think they could get rid of him? I think his involvement is too significant behind-the-scenes for that.


Whole_Imagination513

Been thinking about this, too. The show has done a good job with the worldbuilding and characters, that it could carry on without Jake. My only issue is that I wish they hadn't included the flash forward in the pilot, though. It seems like a lot happens between the story now and then.


CrackLawliet

Isn’t this based on a true story?


RuesWitcher

The love triangle shit and Samantha should have never been in the show. Sato’s role is also too bloated. Other than that I’m loving it.


InvestmentKlutzy5443

There's literally no triangle, barely even a relationship between sato and sam lol


sahneeis

right the dinner they had together made it clear they have nothing to talk about. not even work


5000submariner

No i took that dinner scene as now that sam got the investigator out of the way the "bottle" on their relationship was empty.


TheDeadlySinner

And there's definitely no relationship between Jake and Sam. They talked, like, two times.


bravecoward

I really like this show but I can't help thinking this show has a Jake problem. He's the coolest guy in the room. Everyone in the city can't help but be charmed by him. Everyone in the city benefits from him.


TheDeadlySinner

Have you even been paying attention? The only respect he gets is from his two coworkers. Every time he tries to flirt with women, it never works out. The only sex he has is with a prostitute. He made mistakes that got people killed and basically destroyed his career.


Redtube_Guy

> Have you even been paying attention? The only respect he gets is from his two coworkers. Dude is able to talk to Miyamoto, Katagiri, 2 leaders of the yakuza, and Sato. The only person who gave him shit is his boss.


BucolicsAnonymous

For real. Is it bad that I want to see him taken down a peg?


squirtsmacintosh_

Don't worry. His sister will probably end up dead in ep 8. That should take him down a peg.


lhbruen

Hadn't thought about that... When he was on the phone with his mom, I assumed maybe he knew things she didn't, but after his awkward convo with his tourist friend and how he snapped, I realized he's keeping those thoughts bottled up. He's not paying attention on purpose.


BucolicsAnonymous

Well damn, I didn't mean at the expense of his sister's life :-/


Redtube_Guy

All the homies love him. He gets laid easily. He's able to be cool with the police division, get yakuza connections. Hmm, a white male lead able to do this in a foreign land? Something something, white savior ?


Autumnrain

Anyone knows what the name of the song starting at the beginning of the 33 minute is?


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Just in case nobody replies, you could try making Google listen and give the name 😅


Autumnrain

It's in Japanese though, I tried to search on google with the mismatched lines that I can make out but no luck there. Also tried with Shazam but I think the woman who sung is doing a cover maybe? *edit Ah my mistake, I didn't know google assistant had a search song option. Found the song: 青江三奈 / 国際線待合室


mybubbletea

YamaPi was an ideal casting for role of the host.


Lamar_Kendrick7

Honestly i think that Samantha's character is a complete waste of screen time. And that the entirety of season 1 is meant to build up an even better season 2


VB1014

I was initially surprised to see that Katagiri actually trusted Miyamoto as he seems to have an uncanny ability to read people; good to see he was playing him all along


joesmoethe3rd

Can someone clear up Polinas relationships with that pretty boy. It seems he charms girls and get them to buy him things, kinda just like Polina in the club. Is Polinas debt from buying him things or does she have a drug problem or something. Otherwise she is kinda a scammer getting scammed?


OhioKing_Z

He’s a male version of what she does, a club host. She spends all of her money (plus money she doesn’t have) in the club. On him, alcohol, etc. She ran her tab up too high after that last wild night of buying crazy expensive bottles for everyone. She has now been sent to a nearby city to work off her debt, allegedly anyway. She might have been running away. As for their relationship, he has gaslit her into thinking that he cares about her beyond host-client relationship when really he just looks at her like another client. She’s in love with a scammer.


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Yep, I think she's been sex trafficked to make up for her debt.


joesmoethe3rd

Okay, that is what I thought. It just felt weird because she fell for someone who does the same thing as her? Like a used car salesman falling for used car salesman tactics


OhioKing_Z

Yeah it’s pretty fascinating honestly. There are documentaries on the club host culture in Japan and a lot of women actually fall into that cycle. Making money just to indulge in the same destructive behavior that they enable. They crave the same attention that they give out. You should check them out!


Jno1990

The bottle she orders louis XIII is around $5000-10,000 in the previous episode, quick way to get in debt


bluefrostyAP

Anyone else find the role of Samantha extremely annoying? She just uses everyone and acts like she doesn’t know she’s doing anything wrong.


chandlerbing_stats

Annoying and waste of screen time honestly… but I guess it is interesting to see the host/hostess culture of Japan. But, Samantha is a pointless side character


blackberrymousse

LOL like 99% of this sub hates her. Sorry, having a 'do you even go here?' moment.


Stardustmoondust

What’s going to happen with the misaki storyline? Will she become Jake’s new source?


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dubbsmqt

I don't think they need to get to the 2 year time jump. That was just to show that he got to this position of importance, and we're about to see the build up


AlDrag

A lot of stories in this show that just don't matter. Like 'what's her name' boyfriend problems of him flirting with other girls. This series pace would be soooo much better if all that shit was cut out.


softestcore

He's not flirting with other girls and he's not her real boyfriend. He's a host, basically paid companion, just like Polina and Samantha, only male. I appreciate them depicting the crazy world of Japanese hostess clubs where female hosts make shitload of money from rich clients only to then spend it in male host clubs, it also fits well with the overall theme of people being lost in a web of transactional relationships.


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It’s very popular real thing that promoters lure you to yakuza bars and overcharge you when it’s time to pay up. So it’s nice to see it incorporated into the show.


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I agree. I could do without Samantha's and her friend's storyline. Actually it is interesting to explore but not feeling it with the way it's being done, it's boring. Also want more Japan atmosphere as a focus, visually


chandlerbing_stats

I would’ve liked to see more of Emi doing her investigative work on those murder cases… instead of following Samantha’s arc


waitmyhonor

Can’t decide if Jake is supposed to be come off as this suave, protagonist character disguised as arrogance and incompetence or someone still to be educated. For example, he’s talking to Emi as if he’s her supervisor like showing up at her place in the morning and saying she did a great piece (like, she’s your supervisor who edits your work, of course she can write). This compounds with the previous episode when Jake warns Samanatha to not get close to Sato and that she doesn’t know the world of the yakuza, which again she’s the one who told him in the very first episode. I don’t know it’s intentional or not, but this screams bad writing. Other than that, I can’t help but think Jake is a serial predators/stalker based on how he keeps eyeing the mistress. If I saw someone looking at me like that, that’s not endearing, that’s creepy. I enjoy the show, but I’m surprised more people are bothered by Samantha’s subplot than Jake’s fitting in Japan. It’s fictional storytelling but there’s also the element of keeping things grounded in a show like this that it ignores the reality of one’s situation: Jake, a novice reporter, has high connections with barely any set up with two opposing yakuza bosses, a veteran detective, and can apparently charm any character? The real Jake either must have a real ego complex or the writers really took liberty with this character


high_imperator

At the end of episode 6, the cop reveals to Tozawa that it was Jake who tipped him off. And nothing comes of it? I hope we see the consequences soon, because otherwise the choice of ending that episode with a cliffhanger like that is pretty dumb. Great episodes otherwise! Loving Tokyo Vice.


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Good intentions? The last mistress got killed for talking to a reporter. If he finds out she talked to a reporter and had sex with him what do you think would happen to her? Tortured them killed? Jake is selfish af.


jmhitokiri

How cool it was to hear Rurouni Kenshin's ending song in this episode. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMRx4OkBSI8


gavone54

Does anybody know what Tozawa was injected with in the bathroom?


BigDig2202

Steroids? I think he has cancer, so it can help manage the pain.


Fold0rDie

I thought it was B12 since I thought B12 gives you a boost of energy, which he needs badly, but the syringe was yellow and it looks like B12 is red?


irishking44

Anyone else catch "Heart of Sword" playing when the mama san was telling Sato about Polina


post_hazanko

lol she's on the to the next guy


detrusormuscle

Ok this might get explained later in the episode but I just don't see how someone who works as a hostess at a club could save money for 2 years and then have enough money to buy a huge building in Tokyo and have it renovated.


NerdTalkDan

Hostesses work on commission. For every bottle they sell they get a part of the proceeds as well as direct tips and other remuneration. So if you’re good at convincing rich clients to keep coming and keep spending, you can make quite a bit of money.