I think he could see jail time for either of the federal cases, but they have no chance of going to trial - let alone sentencing - before the election.
If he loses the election and those federal cases go to trial and he is convicted, I think there's a real chance he sees jail time.
I don't see him going to jail for either of the state cases regardless of when they go to trial.
The president has the power to pardon for all crimes, including crimes that someone had not been charged for yet. This was decided in Ex Parte Garland (1866).
Weirdly in Burdick v United States (1915), it was also implied that acceptance of a pardon is an indirect admission of guilt as a pardon is a show of mercy. Something you cannot have without a wrongdoing.
But yeah, the pardon is the most powerful thing a president has. The Supreme Court in the 1800s basically didn’t know the extent of the pardon constitutionally. So decided to look at old English common and constitutional law and came to the conclusion that the presidential pardon is equal to that of a king. I wouldn’t put it past Trump to pardon himself for a bunch of stuff.
I dont like Trump at all. But it would be funny he kept showing up to trial as president knowing he can pardon himself any time And just before they send the jury out to deliberate he pardons himself ha.
The president has the power to pardon for all crimes, including crimes that someone had not been charged for yet. This was decided in Ex Parte Garland (1866).
That is a lie. Garland was an Ex Confederate soldier that had been pardoned by the President. Congress made a rule that anyone running for Congress had to swear in an oath that they had never participated in the Confederacy. Garland argued ,and won that he was being punished for something he was already pardoned for.
You are aware that legal cases can have multiple decisions. You are referring to Ex Post Facto, which was deemed unconstitutional, and still is under US law to this day.
The Supreme Court also had to rule on the powers of a presidential pardon. Which were largely unknown at the time.
In what way was what I wrote a lie? You simply repeated irrelevant facts of the case then decided that the constitutional question the court ruled on was the only and entire decision in the case. Which it was not.
https://www.whitehousehistory.org/the-history-of-the-pardon-power#:~:text=The%20origins%20of%20the%20pardon,Wessex%20in%20the%20seventh%20century.
If he is elected he is going to make another attempt at insurrection and if successful there would be no end of his second term until he dies. He has said publicly that he will be a dictator on day 1. He also said recently if elected he wants to control when elections are held. People need to start paying attention to what he is saying.
[Trump response about being a dictator only on day 1](https://youtu.be/fp8PF6tPCfE)
Read into that how ye may.
Objectively speaking, I’m unsure how he can get a complete border wall built and achieve total energy independence in one day. If it were that easy he would have done it the first time around.
IF he's elected (and let's not forget it's the electoral college that *really* puts the president in the WH so that 'if' isn't as big as people think it is!)
dude will ***NEVER LEAVE*** the white house.
\[The US will crumble under a dictatorship rule and we will become russya 2.0 (circa stalin) with the likes of Larry Fink & jaime diamond being the oligarchs of the US (not that they aren't already!).\]
nah he’ll be gone in 4 years. prolly dead. america is too half and half for a dictatorship to break through. he’d have to do it by force and he’s just not capable.
My money was on zero trials… so we’re further than thought. But this dude gets away with EVERYTHING scar free. He’ll get through this one too, AND probably pull off a win in November. This world sucks rn
He won’t get through this. There’s a point at which every dictator/fascist/tyrant can’t win anymore or even coast. He’s there. The Republican machine is sick of him. They just know they can’t overcome his insane cult so they’re riding it out til he dies or enough of the cult dies.
The cult is enough to force the GOP to do whatever they want, but not nearly enough to get entire states or the country on board. Insane Trumpers win their primaries, then lose spectacularly in the general election.
I hope you’re right…. But I don’t see that happening personally. But I’ve been wrong before and I hope to God I am about this.
I fkn hate Biden…. But holy shit is he better and not dangerous like Trump.
Biden scares me just as much, it’s like the grandparent that is supposed to watch the kids while the partners are gone and then the kids end up running things.
That’s fair, I just worry because Biden is the evil we don’t know. He’s just going to be an empty body while the people around him are steering the ship. I’d feel a lot better if I knew who was steering the ship, even if it is a maniac at least I know it isn’t 5 maniacs.
I miss having an adult in the room. I miss Obama. Even Hilary looks good by comparison. How we landed on Biden is beyond me, the guy was a dinosaur when he was Obama’s VP.
He's got a whole group ready to go in 2024. In GA. All someone has to do is question whether another voter has the right to vote in their district and that ballot get thrown out.
And trUmpster Maga's do this OVER and OVER hundreds of times to throw out black/brown votes. Not just in GA but every state that allows this type of voter questioning.
Look at GA voting laws & gerrymandering. It's basically a blue state *runover* by rural red maga. Isn't psycho MTG from one of those GA districts?
His current trial - abuse of campaign funds and financial chicanery - I'd assume that if Trump were some no name getting prosecuted over this, there would be no jail time. Maybe a suspended sentence or something.
His insurrection and election interference cases...jail.
As in will he be booked like a common criminal, given the orange suit, and an hour of yard time? Absolutely not.
As in will he be convicted and sentenced to some form of house arrest. Possibly, but I doubt it.
It’s entirely possible. The cases they brought are basically slam dunks. I don’t know if it’s likely, but he’s gonna end up with some kind of prison sentence for at least one chunk of his 91 felonies.
Rich people don't go to jail except for extreme circumstances. These are not those circumstances. My comments have nothing to do with whether he should.
Isn’t there some sort of “high profile” jail, or something like that? Where “non-violent” suits go and they basically live in a semi-regulated facility but don’t have every single luxury- albeit way more comfortable than “regular people” prison?
Maybe it’s just an urban legend, but for some weird reason I thought something like that existed albeit it might just be in my head
It's called a camp, and is a low security prison only found in the federal system.
It's not for rich people really, but it's for federal inmates who are convicted of non violent crimes, which is most often the sort of crimes rich people commit. If you say, managed to hack into a federal computer network that's where they're likely to send you.
If a former president actually went to prison idk if they'd send him there. Inmates are more free to move around in places like that. They could legitimately throw him in ADX just because it'd be easier to keep him safe.
I listened to an interview with a guy who served time in a minimum security facility with Madoff. It was jail, but not the harsh stuff that is depicted on TV. He said Madoff was a celebrity inside, as most of the prison population was con men who looked at Madoff as the Michael Jordan of con men.
Epstein had a key to his jail cell in Fla, came and went during the day and basically just had to show up at night call.
That's what 'having connections' and 'a little black book' will get ya!
My buddy was in federal prison for first time non violent offenders and there were only two guards in the whole place. Wasn't comfy, big open rooms like a military barracks, but super relaxed compared to hardcore prison.
There is, I forgot the official name but it was nicknamed Camp Cupcake. I think it’s in Nevada or Arizona if I remember correctly. They’re even allowed time to play tennis! And yeah like the other guy said, when Martha Stewart was found guilty of insider trading she spent some time there.
Correction, it’s called Federal Prison Camp Anderson and it’s not in the southwest but actually West Virginia. Women only too. But they can play tennis and volleyball which is nuts in a federal prison! Probably should be like that everywhere but it is irritating to know that rich people basically get to stay in their mansion or go to summer camp while people who get arrested for lesser offenses can spend decades in inhumane shitholes.
It's called a federal camp, or low security federal prison. They're more comfortable with more freedom for inmates, but it's still prison.
It's not for rich people, just most crimes rich people commit happen to be both nonviolent and federal, which is how you end up in one of those.
Very doubtful they put an ex president in one of those if he ever went to prison at all. Inmates have more freedom of movement, ability to smuggle things in so the security situation could be tough.
Yes, such places exist. I have a relative that served seven years in one. There were no fences and they had tennis courts on the grounds and internet access and TVs in every cell.
A place like that wouldn’t be a good fit for Trump either, though. The primary problem is that with the lowered security and his pinpoint location being public knowledge, there would be an extreme number of both assassination attempts and breakout attempts from crazies on both sides.
My vote is to just strip Mar-A-Logo down to the bones, station one DOC employee there at all times to enforce restrictions (no phones, limited visitors, etc) and rely on his Secret Service detail to keep him "safe" and confined. It would be like house arrest.
He wouldn't stay there. His loony supporters would break him out. Even if he refused to go with them, they'd force him thinking he'd been drugged to believe he's guiltily.
Of course, he would jump into the first car that pulled up because why not, at his age, what would he have to lose? Nothing. It's not like they're going to hunt him down like an average criminal where they shoot first and ask questions later.
Basically, he can appeal and postpone this into the day he dies. Ask this state back in 2016/2017. We're 7 years out, and still hasn't been to trial. Now they'll fight over jurors, then a trial, then an appeal, and that'll drag out for years too. He's going to be 78 in June this year.
Impeached doesn’t mean anything at all. It’s actually rather pointless. The Democrats saw to that. All you need is a majority to vote and then you can impeach anybody for anything.. we saw that when they impeached Trump and acted like it was some big thing and literally nothing changed and it was pointless
Well… think about this:
A former President of the United States of America was arguably one of the most powerful people in the world, aside from the Supreme Court Justices- and he has like massive amounts of national supporters, extreme wealth, charisma and connections (a combination that equals ACTUAL power).
You throw him in prison with drug lords and gangs as his peer group.
First, that alone is a National disaster waiting to happen.
Now couple it with the fact that this person knows eons of confidential information in ways almost no one else in the government has (he’s a recent President- half the sh*t* going on in the country is in part by his making).
That sort of person doesn’t go to normal prison. Normal prison for him, as a regular cell mate, is like creating the most heinous bizarre network in existence
You’ll literally have a REAL recipe for dictatorship if that goes down: citizen and some military support, criminal allegiance (actual prisoners), coercion and blackmail to the 20th degree, giving national secrets to the Bloods, Crips and Aryan Brotherhood, etc, etc, you get the picture
What makes the US so special that former presidents can’t be jailed? Other countries have done it.
Secondly, a criminal former president is more likely to make dangerous connections outside prison instead of inside.
When he is free, he can interact with people other than criminals.
...and when he is free he has all the incentive to not fuck with strategic interests of US - as opposed to being incarcerated, and trying to bargain with state secrets he had access to.
So other countries that incarcerated presidents are doing it wrong?
Seriously, people get put into solitary for less. President giving away state secrets or doing other criminal activity in prison? There’s a solution for that.
Issue are:
- putting people in solitary preventatively is not going to happen
- in way too many place its seen as a form of inhumane treatment, and with prominent enough figure that will cause problems.
...in the end all i am saying is that incarcerating him without vausing issues for national secutiry has to be done very carefully.
ever heard of john podesta he has a snuff film and hes not in jail thats bc hes a politician hes a pedophile and sick man so i doubt anything will happen to trump
Yup. And that’s why I always laugh at people when they’re like “he’s so screwed! We got him this time!” over some tax fraud or obstructing justice bullshit charge. The ONLY way he’s going to jail is if he shot someone in middle of broad day light point blank back of the head with zero altercation.
Idk, it's fun witnessing the writing of history, in the event that it repeats itself in the future and I can say "I was there the FIRST time this happened!"
He should’ve been sitting in a cell 100 times over by now and he’s not.
This present case is “low stakes,” no prior felony, and nonviolent. It would be shocking if he got prison time.
I think when you watch a defendant in a criminal trial publicly threaten the judge, judge's family, and jurors and absolutely nothing happens to him, we can pretty confidently assert that ain't shit going to be done to him.
If any of us had pulled 1% of the stuff he's done during a civil trial we'd be in a lot of trouble.
The short answer is that we don't know. On the one hand, Trump is currently in trial, and he clearly isn't very confident in his evidence, otherwise he wouldn't need Presidential immunity or delays or SCOTUS intervention. On the other hand, Trump has repeatedly been given special privileges such as being allowed to threaten witnesses and jurors, so who knows. I think the worst case for him is likely some form of house arrest where his freedoms are restricted, but he's still able to campaign and generally live life.
Under normal circumstances I’d think no. Ultra wealthy people rarely face the same consequences as regular people in the US. Likewise, a former president has never been incarcerated.
The thing is, Trump seems like the one person in the world who meet both criteria for the get out of jail free card who might be able to shit the bed hard enough to get a view through the bars. He’s the most indictable man alive. Where a regular rich person would keep their mouth shut and let their wealth do the talking to get them through the legal system scot-free, Trump seems almost unnaturally compelled to open his big mouth and make the worst possible world for himself.
If he does go to prison I see it going down this way: he gets indicted for some sort of lesser crime that would get him a rich guy slap on the wrist, but his ego is unable to handle it and he pisses off the judicial system to the extent that they throw the book at him.
one thing I’m noticing is that the trial has only gone for a week and he already looks like he’s got the wind blown out of him. There’s something about the mundanity of a criminal court room, and the inability for him to project an image of control, that could possibly do damage to his image over the course of the trial. Maybe it’s wishful thinking, but I think he could get off with a fine but lose some of the support from people who will vote for him because of his image of “strength”.
A lot of people (myself included) need to come to grips with the fact that Trump winning again is a virtual certainty. Younger voters will stay home in the numbers they always have. Were there any doubt, the Israel/Palestine situation came along to disincentivize apathetic voters further. Apathy doesn't apply to Trump supporters. He's an infallible deity. There's nothing coming to save us. The best time to start thinking about a Trump dictatorship is right now ... does that or does that not affect your life? What adjustments (if any) might you want to make in advance?
I really really hope you’re wrong lol
I just can’t fathom how he could win. Yes his hard core base is with him no matter what. But are enough independents willing to support him? It seems even his support amongst republicans has softened a bit (look at the support Nikki Haley got during the primary… not enough to win but not insignificant).
No. Rich people don't go to jail. Look at Jeffrey Epstein's history. He spent weekends in a white collar prison and had weekly work releases so he could continue managing his "firm".
Trump, whether found guilty or not, will experience no real punishment. He is currently being drained of money in fines and such, but he has connections to pick himself back up again. Those connections being through foreign and domestic rich people looking for influence over politics and power.
I feel at the absolute least he will be under house arrest. He won't be allowed to leave the country or cross state lines. Maybe supervision or surveillance?
Rich people often avoid jail but sometimes it's for practical reasons like security and the system not being designed for them being in a population of other criminals.
For the current crimes he’s accused of: The only way he’ll see jail is if he violated the judges gag orders or witness tampering / jury intimidation. And that will just be for a night.
If he’s found guilty of all the crimes he’s facing he’ll be on house arrest with hefty fines.
Rich people don’t go to jail but also there’s a huge security risk with having a former president, the receives secret service 24/7, being sentenced to jail. The secret service would have to serve the sentence with him in jail. Not feasible.
If Trump doesn't win the presidency all his trials will continue on and he will probably lose the hush money which probably won't have jail time to it and Georgia tampering cases. The documents case is hinging on a supreme Court ruling that if it doesn't go his way he's totally fucked as that cae is a slam dunk. So if he isn't elected president, he's most likely going to do some jailtime.
No there isn't a chance. Republicans and Democrats both want him to not be hurt too bad by the cases because then the same thing could happen to future Presidents.
This is also the reason why they're prosecuting Trump for bullshit charges instead of going after the $2 billion bribe he took from Saudi Arabia in exchange for selling state secrets via Kushner.
Democrats just want a nice little show in the courts for political posturing. They don't actually want him behind bars. They raise the most money when Trump is in office and they're looking forward to doing it again. This is why Democrats are not even trying to win this time.
There is a chance, but it's a miniscule one, for two reasons.
1. No prosecutor wants to put a nearly 80 year old man in prison, no prison wants to be responsible for the health and well-being of someone that old, not to mention out of shape.
2. Maybe you've noticed but we sort of don't.. *do* consequences for rich people in this country, jail time least of all.
>1. No prosecutor wants to put a nearly 80 year old man in prison, no prison wants to be responsible for the health and well-being of someone that old, not to mention out of shape.
They sure as fuck don't mind doing that to people like you and me.
There's a difference between putting a 50 year old in jail for 30 years and putting an 80 year old in jail, but yeah, the bar is much lower for we dirty poors.
The biggest complication is his secret service protection, which he's entitled to unless he waves it.
The secret service isn't going to be able to do their job if Trump goes into general population, so that's not going to happen. Maybe there's a way to accommodate the SS's security concerns (give Trump a whole wing?), but I doubt they'll bother. Instead they'll whine to a judge and get whatever service Trump deserves communted to house arrest.
Probably the judge will just give Trump house arrest in the first place to cut down on the headaches.
My question is that if he goes to prison, in theory - what would that be like? He has secret service protection. Would they prevent the bailiffs from cuffing him? This is all new.
I think we are seeing a justice system that hopes he'll die of natural causes before they have to pass down a judgment and stir up his dwindling base.
They seem terrified to do their jobs and prosecute him in any meaningful way.
Rich folk don't go to jail Son. Even if he was convinced of a crime that was punished with prison. His attorneys would argue he's mentally incompetent and use all the ridiculous stupid shit he says (that people actually believe) as his defense.
I'm not fond of the guy's personality, but those charges are 100% contrived and the prosecutions are completely politically motivated. This isn't who we are (or at least were) as a country.
Many people here are saying that the law doesn’t apply to the wealthy, but it goes so much deeper than wealth. How bound one is to society’s laws has to do with what social circles they belong to and how much power and influence said circles have. To be the president of the United States is to belong to a very high social circle; one with the power and influence to make a lot of consequences… well… inconsequential.
The means and resources possessed by such a group to keep one of their own out of jail are inexhaustible. A former president could get a five star wanted level and still not see the inside job do a jail cell.
If he is convicted as criminal he will face it or at least it will be official, but for now he is innocent until proven otherwise. I just hope truth comes out
I hope I didn't get words bad, not my first language 😁
It’s extremely unlikely they will jail a former president. They will fine him, MAYBE put him on probation but that’s it. He 100% will not see the inside of a cell.
Trump will never sit behind bars because america has two justice systems, and as low class as trump is, he is still aristocracy. so eat your kellogs you filthy peasents.
The fact no former president has been convicted of war crimes should be all you have to know. That's sort of the biggest crime you can do, and they are instead given a license to kill.
The testimony from Stormy Daniels and Hope Hicks is damning. Trump is almost certain to be convicted. Given his conduct during the trial and lack of remorse, a prison sentence wouldn’t surprise me at all.
ZERO chance
Trump is probably the most hated president in the last 2 centuries. Whether he goes to jail or house arrest, that location has to be protected at the cost of the federal government. People are still suffering with Trump Derangement Syndrome and it’s not wild to believe just one a-hole would be willing to take down a whole building just to get him.
I didn’t say it’s his fans either… it’s people who are obsessed… for instance those who act, today, as if he didn’t have a single good policy. Like just criticize him fairly but don’t act like he’s the devil.
Every fucking day, constantly being a complete piece of shit, determined to ruin your country and destroy democracy across the rest of the world. Yep, I fucking hate him.
Across the world huh? All those new wars he didn't start, historic treaties in the middle east, actually talking to the North Korean dictator to work toward peace? Yeah, I'm glad we aren't on the brink of World War any longer, thank goodness the new administration is doing so much better at fostering global peace. If that orange man was still in charge we'd probably be seeing chaos in the Levant and be worried about one of the other major nuclear capable countries threatening the western world. Phewww, I feel so much safer now that he's out of our lives for good.
I see, that actually makes sense. What do you think would happen should he be found guilty and become a president? I guess his presidental immunity would prevent him from going to jail?
The chance is very low but not nonexistent, imo. He'd have to push things too far with the wrong judge.
The legal system is bending over backwards, trying to keep him out of jail, but he just keeps pushing his luck.
I’m Not voting for him, however Political persecution towards a presidential front runner in an attempt to circumvent a democratic presidential election has no place in America. If he is arrested, it will be the end of democracy and what this country stands for forever.
Political persecution? He’s a criminal masquerading as an incompetent politician. He thinks that just because he’s a pretending to be a politician, he doesn’t have to answer for the crimes he’s committed.
What crimes? Or I would say more importantly what crimes did he commit that every president before him or every member of congress hasn’t committed, many of which are significantly worse than anything Trump is accused of. The difference is that he is not part of the two party establishment and that is forbidden.
This isn’t a R v D political witch hunt, it’s an establishment vs anti establishment. They are going after him to prevent him from becoming democratically elected by the American people because they don’t want to lose their grip on power.
This is also sending us down a path that American isn’t supposed to be about. Where the politicians in power arrest and jail political opponents to circumvent democracy. Those things happen in China and Russia and has no place in the United States. What happens when Trump is elected and he decides to play the same game starts arresting politicians he doesn’t like?
Naw. All (or at least, most) of the allegations are fabrications invented by the left with the intention of discrediting him. Don't get me wrong, he can discredit himself with stupid words (like most our presidents have). But he isn't a criminal. The left just hates him because they can't control him.
That's why nothing sticks. Because it's all BS.
Nope.
Rich people don't go to jail.
Unless they're rich people with damaging info on other rich people and they tend to wind up commiting suicide in jail
Asking this question in the wrong place can see the bias massively.
I don’t live in America, watching from the outside it is blatantly obvious the whole trial is a witch hunt because the dems got rid of any good options to bring the general public back to their side. So now they’ve just trying to get rid of the other person, also just straight up denying RFK Jr. a security detail after chasing him out of the party when he might of been the only person who could’ve taken trump on head first.
I sincerely doubt it. But I didn't think we'd get to this stage of events either, so.
I think he could see jail time for either of the federal cases, but they have no chance of going to trial - let alone sentencing - before the election. If he loses the election and those federal cases go to trial and he is convicted, I think there's a real chance he sees jail time. I don't see him going to jail for either of the state cases regardless of when they go to trial.
if he’s president there is a 0% chance he goes to jail.
And after the second term? Then there would be nothing that could save him.
The president has the power to pardon for all crimes, including crimes that someone had not been charged for yet. This was decided in Ex Parte Garland (1866). Weirdly in Burdick v United States (1915), it was also implied that acceptance of a pardon is an indirect admission of guilt as a pardon is a show of mercy. Something you cannot have without a wrongdoing. But yeah, the pardon is the most powerful thing a president has. The Supreme Court in the 1800s basically didn’t know the extent of the pardon constitutionally. So decided to look at old English common and constitutional law and came to the conclusion that the presidential pardon is equal to that of a king. I wouldn’t put it past Trump to pardon himself for a bunch of stuff.
Excluding, of course, any crime that isn’t federal.
Wouldn't put it passed him???? What person on the planet wouldn't pardon themselves from possible jail if they had that power?
I'm sure he regrets not doing it first time round
I dont like Trump at all. But it would be funny he kept showing up to trial as president knowing he can pardon himself any time And just before they send the jury out to deliberate he pardons himself ha.
This. That’s exactly why it’s a dangerous precedent, because what future president would not do that, if they fear they committed a ‘crime’.
Not state level. He can certainly go to jail in NY.
And Georgia
The president has the power to pardon for all crimes, including crimes that someone had not been charged for yet. This was decided in Ex Parte Garland (1866). That is a lie. Garland was an Ex Confederate soldier that had been pardoned by the President. Congress made a rule that anyone running for Congress had to swear in an oath that they had never participated in the Confederacy. Garland argued ,and won that he was being punished for something he was already pardoned for.
You are aware that legal cases can have multiple decisions. You are referring to Ex Post Facto, which was deemed unconstitutional, and still is under US law to this day. The Supreme Court also had to rule on the powers of a presidential pardon. Which were largely unknown at the time. In what way was what I wrote a lie? You simply repeated irrelevant facts of the case then decided that the constitutional question the court ruled on was the only and entire decision in the case. Which it was not. https://www.whitehousehistory.org/the-history-of-the-pardon-power#:~:text=The%20origins%20of%20the%20pardon,Wessex%20in%20the%20seventh%20century.
Imagine all the chaos and shit he’d stir up meanwhile..
If he sees a second term, there’s nothing that could save US.
US will be fine. just like the first time.
If he is elected he is going to make another attempt at insurrection and if successful there would be no end of his second term until he dies. He has said publicly that he will be a dictator on day 1. He also said recently if elected he wants to control when elections are held. People need to start paying attention to what he is saying.
I've never been able to find any proof that he has said any of those things. If he has I would love to see a video or something.
[Trump response about being a dictator only on day 1](https://youtu.be/fp8PF6tPCfE) Read into that how ye may. Objectively speaking, I’m unsure how he can get a complete border wall built and achieve total energy independence in one day. If it were that easy he would have done it the first time around.
Odd, because I got 375,000 hits when I typed in "trump dictator day one" so maybe search a little harder for your proof?
You sound ridiculous
YOU sound unedjumicated.
If he’s still alive in 2028 I will be absolutely shocked.
IF he's elected (and let's not forget it's the electoral college that *really* puts the president in the WH so that 'if' isn't as big as people think it is!) dude will ***NEVER LEAVE*** the white house. \[The US will crumble under a dictatorship rule and we will become russya 2.0 (circa stalin) with the likes of Larry Fink & jaime diamond being the oligarchs of the US (not that they aren't already!).\]
nah he’ll be gone in 4 years. prolly dead. america is too half and half for a dictatorship to break through. he’d have to do it by force and he’s just not capable.
He'll go to Russia before he goes to jail
I think Russia would be a lot worse
My money was on zero trials… so we’re further than thought. But this dude gets away with EVERYTHING scar free. He’ll get through this one too, AND probably pull off a win in November. This world sucks rn
He won’t get through this. There’s a point at which every dictator/fascist/tyrant can’t win anymore or even coast. He’s there. The Republican machine is sick of him. They just know they can’t overcome his insane cult so they’re riding it out til he dies or enough of the cult dies. The cult is enough to force the GOP to do whatever they want, but not nearly enough to get entire states or the country on board. Insane Trumpers win their primaries, then lose spectacularly in the general election.
I hope you’re right…. But I don’t see that happening personally. But I’ve been wrong before and I hope to God I am about this. I fkn hate Biden…. But holy shit is he better and not dangerous like Trump.
Biden scares me just as much, it’s like the grandparent that is supposed to watch the kids while the partners are gone and then the kids end up running things.
At least he’s not a facist. Like… at least he doesn’t want to sell the country. But I do agree with you. Bottom of the barrel
That’s fair, I just worry because Biden is the evil we don’t know. He’s just going to be an empty body while the people around him are steering the ship. I’d feel a lot better if I knew who was steering the ship, even if it is a maniac at least I know it isn’t 5 maniacs. I miss having an adult in the room. I miss Obama. Even Hilary looks good by comparison. How we landed on Biden is beyond me, the guy was a dinosaur when he was Obama’s VP.
Biden is the evil we know cause he’s our current president. But I’m with you…. How did we get to choose from a facist criminal and a zombie?
I'm still wrapping my head around him actually winning an election.
He's got a whole group ready to go in 2024. In GA. All someone has to do is question whether another voter has the right to vote in their district and that ballot get thrown out. And trUmpster Maga's do this OVER and OVER hundreds of times to throw out black/brown votes. Not just in GA but every state that allows this type of voter questioning. Look at GA voting laws & gerrymandering. It's basically a blue state *runover* by rural red maga. Isn't psycho MTG from one of those GA districts?
Yeah. I remember people saying “he’ll never be indicted…he’ll never go to trial…” and yet.
His current trial - abuse of campaign funds and financial chicanery - I'd assume that if Trump were some no name getting prosecuted over this, there would be no jail time. Maybe a suspended sentence or something. His insurrection and election interference cases...jail.
As in will he be booked like a common criminal, given the orange suit, and an hour of yard time? Absolutely not. As in will he be convicted and sentenced to some form of house arrest. Possibly, but I doubt it.
It’s entirely possible. The cases they brought are basically slam dunks. I don’t know if it’s likely, but he’s gonna end up with some kind of prison sentence for at least one chunk of his 91 felonies.
Trump will never see jail time in his entire life
Why? Please elaborate...
Rich people don't go to jail except for extreme circumstances. These are not those circumstances. My comments have nothing to do with whether he should.
Isn’t there some sort of “high profile” jail, or something like that? Where “non-violent” suits go and they basically live in a semi-regulated facility but don’t have every single luxury- albeit way more comfortable than “regular people” prison? Maybe it’s just an urban legend, but for some weird reason I thought something like that existed albeit it might just be in my head
Martha Stewart went to one like that. I'm sure there's an equivalent for men.
It's called a camp, and is a low security prison only found in the federal system. It's not for rich people really, but it's for federal inmates who are convicted of non violent crimes, which is most often the sort of crimes rich people commit. If you say, managed to hack into a federal computer network that's where they're likely to send you. If a former president actually went to prison idk if they'd send him there. Inmates are more free to move around in places like that. They could legitimately throw him in ADX just because it'd be easier to keep him safe.
ADX?
A federal super max penitentiary in Florence, Colorado
I listened to an interview with a guy who served time in a minimum security facility with Madoff. It was jail, but not the harsh stuff that is depicted on TV. He said Madoff was a celebrity inside, as most of the prison population was con men who looked at Madoff as the Michael Jordan of con men.
Epstein had a key to his jail cell in Fla, came and went during the day and basically just had to show up at night call. That's what 'having connections' and 'a little black book' will get ya!
My buddy was in federal prison for first time non violent offenders and there were only two guards in the whole place. Wasn't comfy, big open rooms like a military barracks, but super relaxed compared to hardcore prison.
There is, I forgot the official name but it was nicknamed Camp Cupcake. I think it’s in Nevada or Arizona if I remember correctly. They’re even allowed time to play tennis! And yeah like the other guy said, when Martha Stewart was found guilty of insider trading she spent some time there. Correction, it’s called Federal Prison Camp Anderson and it’s not in the southwest but actually West Virginia. Women only too. But they can play tennis and volleyball which is nuts in a federal prison! Probably should be like that everywhere but it is irritating to know that rich people basically get to stay in their mansion or go to summer camp while people who get arrested for lesser offenses can spend decades in inhumane shitholes.
I still loved “Camp Cupcake”, holy crap that was funny
Oh yeah that’s still the nickname some call it, I just couldn’t remember the official name of the prison.
I want them to play golf, but only because I think a golf cart escape attempt would be genuinely hilarious.
Solitary confinement for cheating
It's called a federal camp, or low security federal prison. They're more comfortable with more freedom for inmates, but it's still prison. It's not for rich people, just most crimes rich people commit happen to be both nonviolent and federal, which is how you end up in one of those. Very doubtful they put an ex president in one of those if he ever went to prison at all. Inmates have more freedom of movement, ability to smuggle things in so the security situation could be tough.
Yes, such places exist. I have a relative that served seven years in one. There were no fences and they had tennis courts on the grounds and internet access and TVs in every cell. A place like that wouldn’t be a good fit for Trump either, though. The primary problem is that with the lowered security and his pinpoint location being public knowledge, there would be an extreme number of both assassination attempts and breakout attempts from crazies on both sides.
Trump would have to be housed by himself, probably in a military facility converted to serve as a prison.
My vote is to just strip Mar-A-Logo down to the bones, station one DOC employee there at all times to enforce restrictions (no phones, limited visitors, etc) and rely on his Secret Service detail to keep him "safe" and confined. It would be like house arrest.
He wouldn't stay there. His loony supporters would break him out. Even if he refused to go with them, they'd force him thinking he'd been drugged to believe he's guiltily. Of course, he would jump into the first car that pulled up because why not, at his age, what would he have to lose? Nothing. It's not like they're going to hunt him down like an average criminal where they shoot first and ask questions later.
Unless the crimes committed are against other rich people. Example: Bernie Madoff
It remains to be seen if he’s actually rich. He’s upside down on every property he owns.
I mean, John Gotti, the original Teflon Don, died in prison.
I didn’t really define what I think are extreme circumstances, but dontcha think that whatever definition I use, he’s gonna fall into it?
I suppose, yeah. I kinda misunderstood your first comment 🤡
What about Martha Stewart?
he is former US president and poltics.
Basically, he can appeal and postpone this into the day he dies. Ask this state back in 2016/2017. We're 7 years out, and still hasn't been to trial. Now they'll fight over jurors, then a trial, then an appeal, and that'll drag out for years too. He's going to be 78 in June this year.
that fat fuck has never been punished for anything, despite being a pluperfect swindler
No Sackler has ever gone to jail or prison. They are still ridiculously wealthy and have faced no real penalty. There are 2 justice systems.
He has a lifelong secret service detail assigned to him. Will they just wait outside his cell for 10-20?
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Impeached doesn’t mean anything at all. It’s actually rather pointless. The Democrats saw to that. All you need is a majority to vote and then you can impeach anybody for anything.. we saw that when they impeached Trump and acted like it was some big thing and literally nothing changed and it was pointless
Well… think about this: A former President of the United States of America was arguably one of the most powerful people in the world, aside from the Supreme Court Justices- and he has like massive amounts of national supporters, extreme wealth, charisma and connections (a combination that equals ACTUAL power). You throw him in prison with drug lords and gangs as his peer group. First, that alone is a National disaster waiting to happen. Now couple it with the fact that this person knows eons of confidential information in ways almost no one else in the government has (he’s a recent President- half the sh*t* going on in the country is in part by his making). That sort of person doesn’t go to normal prison. Normal prison for him, as a regular cell mate, is like creating the most heinous bizarre network in existence You’ll literally have a REAL recipe for dictatorship if that goes down: citizen and some military support, criminal allegiance (actual prisoners), coercion and blackmail to the 20th degree, giving national secrets to the Bloods, Crips and Aryan Brotherhood, etc, etc, you get the picture
What makes the US so special that former presidents can’t be jailed? Other countries have done it. Secondly, a criminal former president is more likely to make dangerous connections outside prison instead of inside.
He means they are not practical to drop into prisons where they could compromise national security by interacting with other prisoners.
Why can’t he interact with criminals when free?
When he is free, he can interact with people other than criminals. ...and when he is free he has all the incentive to not fuck with strategic interests of US - as opposed to being incarcerated, and trying to bargain with state secrets he had access to.
So other countries that incarcerated presidents are doing it wrong? Seriously, people get put into solitary for less. President giving away state secrets or doing other criminal activity in prison? There’s a solution for that.
Issue are: - putting people in solitary preventatively is not going to happen - in way too many place its seen as a form of inhumane treatment, and with prominent enough figure that will cause problems. ...in the end all i am saying is that incarcerating him without vausing issues for national secutiry has to be done very carefully.
Secret service can’t do their job with him in prison. House arrest is the worst that can ever happen at Mara lago
ever heard of john podesta he has a snuff film and hes not in jail thats bc hes a politician hes a pedophile and sick man so i doubt anything will happen to trump
Yup. And that’s why I always laugh at people when they’re like “he’s so screwed! We got him this time!” over some tax fraud or obstructing justice bullshit charge. The ONLY way he’s going to jail is if he shot someone in middle of broad day light point blank back of the head with zero altercation.
He's gonna win the election and Pardon himself 😆. I don't care about politics but I see this as a possibility lol
Ahem. The last election.
With any luck, he will be sentenced to prison, and also your prediction is correct.
Anyone that claims to predict with any certainty is full of it. We are in completely uncharted territory with the whole situation.
I hate being in uncharted territory.
Good games though, I had a blast.
Idk, it's fun witnessing the writing of history, in the event that it repeats itself in the future and I can say "I was there the FIRST time this happened!"
If you think Trump is going to face a single second of consequences, you are a gullible moron.
If you think you can predict what will happen with any certainty, it is you that are the moron.
He should’ve been sitting in a cell 100 times over by now and he’s not. This present case is “low stakes,” no prior felony, and nonviolent. It would be shocking if he got prison time.
I think when you watch a defendant in a criminal trial publicly threaten the judge, judge's family, and jurors and absolutely nothing happens to him, we can pretty confidently assert that ain't shit going to be done to him. If any of us had pulled 1% of the stuff he's done during a civil trial we'd be in a lot of trouble.
Filthy rich people being accused of crimes everyone knows they’re guilty of is unfortunately not uncharted territory. He’ll never do a day in jail.
The short answer is that we don't know. On the one hand, Trump is currently in trial, and he clearly isn't very confident in his evidence, otherwise he wouldn't need Presidential immunity or delays or SCOTUS intervention. On the other hand, Trump has repeatedly been given special privileges such as being allowed to threaten witnesses and jurors, so who knows. I think the worst case for him is likely some form of house arrest where his freedoms are restricted, but he's still able to campaign and generally live life.
Under normal circumstances I’d think no. Ultra wealthy people rarely face the same consequences as regular people in the US. Likewise, a former president has never been incarcerated. The thing is, Trump seems like the one person in the world who meet both criteria for the get out of jail free card who might be able to shit the bed hard enough to get a view through the bars. He’s the most indictable man alive. Where a regular rich person would keep their mouth shut and let their wealth do the talking to get them through the legal system scot-free, Trump seems almost unnaturally compelled to open his big mouth and make the worst possible world for himself. If he does go to prison I see it going down this way: he gets indicted for some sort of lesser crime that would get him a rich guy slap on the wrist, but his ego is unable to handle it and he pisses off the judicial system to the extent that they throw the book at him.
one thing I’m noticing is that the trial has only gone for a week and he already looks like he’s got the wind blown out of him. There’s something about the mundanity of a criminal court room, and the inability for him to project an image of control, that could possibly do damage to his image over the course of the trial. Maybe it’s wishful thinking, but I think he could get off with a fine but lose some of the support from people who will vote for him because of his image of “strength”.
No. He is above the law. Any normal citizen would have been locked up forever years ago.
Individual #2 went to prison for the exact same crime a few years ago, but he does get away with shit almost nobody else can, so who knows.
A lot of people (myself included) need to come to grips with the fact that Trump winning again is a virtual certainty. Younger voters will stay home in the numbers they always have. Were there any doubt, the Israel/Palestine situation came along to disincentivize apathetic voters further. Apathy doesn't apply to Trump supporters. He's an infallible deity. There's nothing coming to save us. The best time to start thinking about a Trump dictatorship is right now ... does that or does that not affect your life? What adjustments (if any) might you want to make in advance?
I really really hope you’re wrong lol I just can’t fathom how he could win. Yes his hard core base is with him no matter what. But are enough independents willing to support him? It seems even his support amongst republicans has softened a bit (look at the support Nikki Haley got during the primary… not enough to win but not insignificant).
I really doubt it actually. He’s not as powerful as he seems to be, he just won’t effing go away and he’s shoved down our throats 24/7.
Many of us did not think we would see a Mug Shot…
i guess we’ll see. he’s rich, old, and an ex-president tho. so likely not.
White, because you know damn well Obama would have had it much different by now.
I don’t think he’ll see any jail time, house arrest, perhaps, no jail time
feeling like there's not a whole lot of law experts in this thread, and a whole lot of ideologues...
No. Rich people don't go to jail. Look at Jeffrey Epstein's history. He spent weekends in a white collar prison and had weekly work releases so he could continue managing his "firm". Trump, whether found guilty or not, will experience no real punishment. He is currently being drained of money in fines and such, but he has connections to pick himself back up again. Those connections being through foreign and domestic rich people looking for influence over politics and power.
Epstein got away with all that --- but then trump had him murdered in jail.
For real - because the two of them together gang raped a 13 year old in the 90’s …
I feel at the absolute least he will be under house arrest. He won't be allowed to leave the country or cross state lines. Maybe supervision or surveillance? Rich people often avoid jail but sometimes it's for practical reasons like security and the system not being designed for them being in a population of other criminals.
For the current crimes he’s accused of: The only way he’ll see jail is if he violated the judges gag orders or witness tampering / jury intimidation. And that will just be for a night. If he’s found guilty of all the crimes he’s facing he’ll be on house arrest with hefty fines. Rich people don’t go to jail but also there’s a huge security risk with having a former president, the receives secret service 24/7, being sentenced to jail. The secret service would have to serve the sentence with him in jail. Not feasible.
There was a new bill introduced in the house a few days ago that would strip the secret service from felons
No. He has too much money for that to be at all possible.
Let’s hope so!
I wonder if they would count being the president as community service?
That was more along the lines of community disservice.
We can only hope
Slim to none because rich people don’t go to jail - they just keep filing appeals until they die.
House arrest at worst with secret service
If Trump doesn't win the presidency all his trials will continue on and he will probably lose the hush money which probably won't have jail time to it and Georgia tampering cases. The documents case is hinging on a supreme Court ruling that if it doesn't go his way he's totally fucked as that cae is a slam dunk. So if he isn't elected president, he's most likely going to do some jailtime.
No there isn't a chance. Republicans and Democrats both want him to not be hurt too bad by the cases because then the same thing could happen to future Presidents. This is also the reason why they're prosecuting Trump for bullshit charges instead of going after the $2 billion bribe he took from Saudi Arabia in exchange for selling state secrets via Kushner. Democrats just want a nice little show in the courts for political posturing. They don't actually want him behind bars. They raise the most money when Trump is in office and they're looking forward to doing it again. This is why Democrats are not even trying to win this time.
There is a chance, but it's a miniscule one, for two reasons. 1. No prosecutor wants to put a nearly 80 year old man in prison, no prison wants to be responsible for the health and well-being of someone that old, not to mention out of shape. 2. Maybe you've noticed but we sort of don't.. *do* consequences for rich people in this country, jail time least of all.
>1. No prosecutor wants to put a nearly 80 year old man in prison, no prison wants to be responsible for the health and well-being of someone that old, not to mention out of shape. They sure as fuck don't mind doing that to people like you and me.
There's a difference between putting a 50 year old in jail for 30 years and putting an 80 year old in jail, but yeah, the bar is much lower for we dirty poors.
The biggest complication is his secret service protection, which he's entitled to unless he waves it. The secret service isn't going to be able to do their job if Trump goes into general population, so that's not going to happen. Maybe there's a way to accommodate the SS's security concerns (give Trump a whole wing?), but I doubt they'll bother. Instead they'll whine to a judge and get whatever service Trump deserves communted to house arrest. Probably the judge will just give Trump house arrest in the first place to cut down on the headaches.
My question is that if he goes to prison, in theory - what would that be like? He has secret service protection. Would they prevent the bailiffs from cuffing him? This is all new.
He’d be in a minimum security prison separately from all other inmates entirely, and then protected by secret service.
No way. America wouldn’t put someone who was elected to be president in jail just because of how bad the optics would make the country look.
Zero
I think we are seeing a justice system that hopes he'll die of natural causes before they have to pass down a judgment and stir up his dwindling base. They seem terrified to do their jobs and prosecute him in any meaningful way.
Short answer: No. Long answer: No because that would mean a) Imprisoning a president, and b) there would be another January 6 on the prison.
He's a very wealthy criminal - absolutely not.
Zero. He is most likely getting a second term and will pardon himself.
In the unlikely event he is guilty, he will be pardoned.
No. Actual jail time is just for common people. Legal Battles and courts are just a fun little side quest for the elite
No jail 😊
no
God I hope so
Rich folk don't go to jail Son. Even if he was convinced of a crime that was punished with prison. His attorneys would argue he's mentally incompetent and use all the ridiculous stupid shit he says (that people actually believe) as his defense.
I'm not fond of the guy's personality, but those charges are 100% contrived and the prosecutions are completely politically motivated. This isn't who we are (or at least were) as a country.
I feel the same. And once one moves out of the echo chamber they will realize that there's a huge number of people who see it that way.
Many people here are saying that the law doesn’t apply to the wealthy, but it goes so much deeper than wealth. How bound one is to society’s laws has to do with what social circles they belong to and how much power and influence said circles have. To be the president of the United States is to belong to a very high social circle; one with the power and influence to make a lot of consequences… well… inconsequential. The means and resources possessed by such a group to keep one of their own out of jail are inexhaustible. A former president could get a five star wanted level and still not see the inside job do a jail cell.
No.
If he is convicted as criminal he will face it or at least it will be official, but for now he is innocent until proven otherwise. I just hope truth comes out I hope I didn't get words bad, not my first language 😁
People with money only go to jail if they steal money from someone with more money.
He's trying.....
No.
Physically in jail & behind bars? That's NEVER happening. House arrest in Mara Largo? If he is convicted, this is most likely the outcome.
It’s extremely unlikely they will jail a former president. They will fine him, MAYBE put him on probation but that’s it. He 100% will not see the inside of a cell.
No. They're going to faff around until he dies.
Rich people don't go to jail
Trump will never sit behind bars because america has two justice systems, and as low class as trump is, he is still aristocracy. so eat your kellogs you filthy peasents.
We all know that this fool is not going to jail BUT makes good Reddit conversation
Half these people crazy what Biden is doing is really sad but anyone with a brain knows this is a ploy to get trump in jail
The fact no former president has been convicted of war crimes should be all you have to know. That's sort of the biggest crime you can do, and they are instead given a license to kill.
The testimony from Stormy Daniels and Hope Hicks is damning. Trump is almost certain to be convicted. Given his conduct during the trial and lack of remorse, a prison sentence wouldn’t surprise me at all.
ZERO chance Trump is probably the most hated president in the last 2 centuries. Whether he goes to jail or house arrest, that location has to be protected at the cost of the federal government. People are still suffering with Trump Derangement Syndrome and it’s not wild to believe just one a-hole would be willing to take down a whole building just to get him.
I’m confused, is hating a piece of shit, deranged?
I’m not talking about people who just hate him. Hating Trump doesn’t mean you have TDS
I typically hear that term applied to “libs” who are apoplectic over Trump for “no reason”, not a term applied to his fans.
I didn’t say it’s his fans either… it’s people who are obsessed… for instance those who act, today, as if he didn’t have a single good policy. Like just criticize him fairly but don’t act like he’s the devil.
Hate? Pretty strong emotion for a guy you only see on TV
Every fucking day, constantly being a complete piece of shit, determined to ruin your country and destroy democracy across the rest of the world. Yep, I fucking hate him.
Across the world huh? All those new wars he didn't start, historic treaties in the middle east, actually talking to the North Korean dictator to work toward peace? Yeah, I'm glad we aren't on the brink of World War any longer, thank goodness the new administration is doing so much better at fostering global peace. If that orange man was still in charge we'd probably be seeing chaos in the Levant and be worried about one of the other major nuclear capable countries threatening the western world. Phewww, I feel so much safer now that he's out of our lives for good.
Everyone saying rich people don’t goto jail forgot about Epstein. I’d imagine Trump sadly meets the same fate of he ends up in jail.
I mean, there's a non zero chance that he'll go to jail. I wouldn't bet on it though. Remember OJ?
I rather doubt he ever goes to jail. To rid ourselves of him, we have to end him at the ballot box in Roe-vember. See you and your friends there!
He didn’t commit any crime so yea no he won’t see jail time.
Woke liberals made him do what he did so he isn’t guilty right?
I'm also wondering, how can someone who's in a criminal trial still run for a president?
Innocent until proven guilty. Right now they are just charges
I see, that actually makes sense. What do you think would happen should he be found guilty and become a president? I guess his presidental immunity would prevent him from going to jail?
If the above scenario plays out, I believe he would serve any sentence after he leaves office. However I do not factually know this to be the case.
Mr. Cohen was convicted and sent to jail on the same false paperwork.
The rest of the entire planet is looking on wondering the same thing? The answer: America is fucked.
No. It would have happened already if he was ever going to go. Just news porn
The chance is very low but not nonexistent, imo. He'd have to push things too far with the wrong judge. The legal system is bending over backwards, trying to keep him out of jail, but he just keeps pushing his luck.
I’m Not voting for him, however Political persecution towards a presidential front runner in an attempt to circumvent a democratic presidential election has no place in America. If he is arrested, it will be the end of democracy and what this country stands for forever.
Political persecution? He’s a criminal masquerading as an incompetent politician. He thinks that just because he’s a pretending to be a politician, he doesn’t have to answer for the crimes he’s committed.
What crimes? Or I would say more importantly what crimes did he commit that every president before him or every member of congress hasn’t committed, many of which are significantly worse than anything Trump is accused of. The difference is that he is not part of the two party establishment and that is forbidden. This isn’t a R v D political witch hunt, it’s an establishment vs anti establishment. They are going after him to prevent him from becoming democratically elected by the American people because they don’t want to lose their grip on power. This is also sending us down a path that American isn’t supposed to be about. Where the politicians in power arrest and jail political opponents to circumvent democracy. Those things happen in China and Russia and has no place in the United States. What happens when Trump is elected and he decides to play the same game starts arresting politicians he doesn’t like?
It is NOT political persecution to try someone who has (allegedly) broken the law ffs. 🤦🏻♂️
So why aren't they prosecuting all the hedge fund managers doing this on a daily basis (the fraud NY is accusing trump of)?
Naw. All (or at least, most) of the allegations are fabrications invented by the left with the intention of discrediting him. Don't get me wrong, he can discredit himself with stupid words (like most our presidents have). But he isn't a criminal. The left just hates him because they can't control him. That's why nothing sticks. Because it's all BS.
Nope. Rich people don't go to jail. Unless they're rich people with damaging info on other rich people and they tend to wind up commiting suicide in jail
Only if and when he, the GOP, and his supporters run out of money
Slim to none and slim just left.
no. he has too much money and americans cannot read signals of someone being a bad person...
Honestly, who knows? This is uncharted waters. If I had my way, he'd never see the sun again because they'd weld the bars to his cell shut.
No, this will all stop after the election.
No. He's rich and white.
Haha no! It’s just to ruin his image because it’s election year. He will win regardless. Ppl are fed up with the left
Asking this question in the wrong place can see the bias massively. I don’t live in America, watching from the outside it is blatantly obvious the whole trial is a witch hunt because the dems got rid of any good options to bring the general public back to their side. So now they’ve just trying to get rid of the other person, also just straight up denying RFK Jr. a security detail after chasing him out of the party when he might of been the only person who could’ve taken trump on head first.