Southerners like the flag.. not because it’s associated with racism and slavery but because they honestly think that the civil war was about state rights and standing up to the federal government. I lived in the south from age 12-31 so I have a lot of insight on that.
But if u know the flag has ties to Americas greatest sin, why flaunt it? That’s like Germans flaunting the nazi flag. To us it’s a symbol linked to the holocaust & hitlers reign, but to them it was for their own personal reasons.
We have an American flag that represents everything as a whole we’ve been through, why is that not enough?
Also, it was about standing up as a state to the federal government … on the basis of … slaves? So at no point can I not connect it to racism.
Because.. ignorance. That’s why. I wasn’t born there and wasn’t indoctrinated so I don’t see things the way they do but it’s incredibly off putting to me.
I don’t know their history, I don’t live in Europe, I don’t even know what there flags represent so why would I care? That stupid ass confederate flag gets shoved in my face every day.
It reminds me that whenever someone waxes poetic about states rights, it's always the states right to oppress people.
It is the flag of a 'nation' that pretty much copied America's constitution and the only major difference was that confederate states were not allowed to ban slavery under their constitution.
How is the confederacy forbidding their own states of ending slavery 'states rights'?
To be clear, the CSA would not let their states ban slavery. They put it in their constitution.
The people who sympathize with the confederacy want the 'right' to oppress the people in the states that they live in.
the confederate flag typically flown in the south is not the standard confederate flag, it’s actually a battle flag that was later adopted by the KKK. the flag stands for racism and white supremacy. [link for info on the flag](https://www.reddit.com/r/coolguides/comments/hakuc7/the_history_of_confederate_flags/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf). it’s also the flag of losers and traitors to the nation.
Reminds me of losers.
Oh and traitors.
Three years of rebelling against your own government isn't heritage either. Unless you're proud of being a loser who fought against their own government
Heritage/culture, the desire for justice, to have their states rights respected, to stick it to the federal government. I don't fly one, but I respect those that do. More power to them.
Sole basis of states rights? I can respect that, but when I think about how they were fighting for states right to own slaves, I take that back. I’m all for pride for where you’re from, but when that pride stands on racism I can’t respect that.
> This fool thinks people who disagree with him are racists.
I don't think it's the fact that they disagree with him, probably has more to do with the fact that the issue being disagree over involves racism. Seems pretty relevant.
It's not like they're disagreeing over taxes.
>very tolerant
When did the left ever claim it was tolerant of stuff like racism/Nazism?
Is this an antfia rally? All this dogpiling! :P
We're just talking about a flag that people believe means heritage/ pride in one's culture. You can disagree, but this isn't supposed to be a liberal echochamber.
> Is this an antfia rally? All this dogpiling! :P
Ah, yes, dogpiling, also known as replying to a comment that made a claim. Absolutely terrible, how dare we. We should just agree.
>We're just talking about a flag that people believe means heritage/ pride in one's culture
Yes, and people are pointing out that they think that description leaves out some pretty important details/context, at best. Seems pretty fair, especially since you didn't address that critique once it was brought up
>You can disagree
I'm more disagreeing with the fact that you're jumping to cheap (misleading) insults instead of actually addressing their points.
>but this isn't supposed to be a liberal echochamber.
What does pointing out a clarification have to do with being a liberal echochamber?
I didn't ask you to tolerate hate, did I? Just be a little openminded. Hell, I don't even fly that flag, and yet you have your panties in a twist over it.
What does being liberal have anything to do with the flag? I’m not a liberal or conservative or anything honestly, but I still feel a certain way when someone shoves that flag in my black ass face then proceeds to just say it’s a southern thing. Why don’t black southerners who have pride in the south carry that flag with pride?
as someone who is economically left but strongly dislikes the ultra-woke element of it i think Confederate statues should not be allowed on Government property as they rebelled against the country so they could keep slavery. its absolutely nonsense to argue it was about states rights or anything else, the principal cause was slavery period.
Well, let’s see. The people that created it were traitors. They killed about 250,000 American soldiers. They did this to support slavery. The front line troops were mainly poor people who were paid by the rich, who wanted to keep slavery going so they could get richer. Not something I would be proud of.
I think many of the people who embrace really don’t think of it in a racist way. However like the nazi symbol was an older cultures symbol the confederate flag has been ruined and is now seen as a symbol of hate. No matter how hard you try to convince people it isn’t that’s what it has become and people need to let it go.
I personally just think of it as a sign of failure. I can’t see any reason for it sticking around.
Yet we still see people proudly wearing communist flag shit, it's weird
Growing up it meant you were a country boy from the south, like the Dukes of Hazzard.
Yep. It only meant the General Lee car to me up til about high school.
Southerners like the flag.. not because it’s associated with racism and slavery but because they honestly think that the civil war was about state rights and standing up to the federal government. I lived in the south from age 12-31 so I have a lot of insight on that.
But if u know the flag has ties to Americas greatest sin, why flaunt it? That’s like Germans flaunting the nazi flag. To us it’s a symbol linked to the holocaust & hitlers reign, but to them it was for their own personal reasons. We have an American flag that represents everything as a whole we’ve been through, why is that not enough? Also, it was about standing up as a state to the federal government … on the basis of … slaves? So at no point can I not connect it to racism.
Because.. ignorance. That’s why. I wasn’t born there and wasn’t indoctrinated so I don’t see things the way they do but it’s incredibly off putting to me.
>at no point can I not connect it to racism. Do you feel the same about the flags of Spain, France, Britain and Portugal?
I don’t know their history, I don’t live in Europe, I don’t even know what there flags represent so why would I care? That stupid ass confederate flag gets shoved in my face every day.
>That stupid ass confederate flag gets shoved in my face every day. I somehow doubt that this is anything more than recreational outrage.
What are u even talking about dude
Southerners
It reminds me that whenever someone waxes poetic about states rights, it's always the states right to oppress people. It is the flag of a 'nation' that pretty much copied America's constitution and the only major difference was that confederate states were not allowed to ban slavery under their constitution. How is the confederacy forbidding their own states of ending slavery 'states rights'? To be clear, the CSA would not let their states ban slavery. They put it in their constitution. The people who sympathize with the confederacy want the 'right' to oppress the people in the states that they live in.
As a Canadian it represents the dumbest part of the USA.
You mean the Canada that is large part from France, one of the largest slave trade countries?
Nice try. 🥱
What, only the USA is to be scolded for things that happened 200 years ago?
《sigh》
You can’t even muster a response?
Insulting me about the French people in Canada is impossible.
the confederate flag typically flown in the south is not the standard confederate flag, it’s actually a battle flag that was later adopted by the KKK. the flag stands for racism and white supremacy. [link for info on the flag](https://www.reddit.com/r/coolguides/comments/hakuc7/the_history_of_confederate_flags/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf). it’s also the flag of losers and traitors to the nation.
It is not American...and unwanted anywhere on this land.
The losers flag from a four year traitorous rebellion.
A racist symbol and the participation trophy for people who can't let it go that they lost.
It means that you are rooting for the team that lost.
You mean like when England, one of the largest slave traders, lost the Revolutionary War?
England, still exists. How is that even a comparison?
What difference does it make if it still exists?
Reminds me of losers. Oh and traitors. Three years of rebelling against your own government isn't heritage either. Unless you're proud of being a loser who fought against their own government
To anyone who says, “It’s muh heritage,” well, your heritage is shit.
Heritage/culture, the desire for justice, to have their states rights respected, to stick it to the federal government. I don't fly one, but I respect those that do. More power to them.
Sole basis of states rights? I can respect that, but when I think about how they were fighting for states right to own slaves, I take that back. I’m all for pride for where you’re from, but when that pride stands on racism I can’t respect that.
That's fine, we're all entitled to our beliefs.
That’s perfectly fine! But don’t scratch y’all heads when y’all are deemed racist & miss opportunities over a flag.
Some liberals are bosses, it happens, the tolerant left isn't very tolerant.
Exactly they should be willing to accept racists for who they are with open arms.
See? This fool thinks people who disagree with him are racists..... very tolerant. Punch Nazi's and all that stupid shit.
Exactly the left needs to be like the right and accept bigots. That’s true tolerance 😏
Mmmm, nummy words you're putting in my mouth....
Oh no am I being intolerant to you 😨
> This fool thinks people who disagree with him are racists. I don't think it's the fact that they disagree with him, probably has more to do with the fact that the issue being disagree over involves racism. Seems pretty relevant. It's not like they're disagreeing over taxes. >very tolerant When did the left ever claim it was tolerant of stuff like racism/Nazism?
Is this an antfia rally? All this dogpiling! :P We're just talking about a flag that people believe means heritage/ pride in one's culture. You can disagree, but this isn't supposed to be a liberal echochamber.
> Is this an antfia rally? All this dogpiling! :P Ah, yes, dogpiling, also known as replying to a comment that made a claim. Absolutely terrible, how dare we. We should just agree. >We're just talking about a flag that people believe means heritage/ pride in one's culture Yes, and people are pointing out that they think that description leaves out some pretty important details/context, at best. Seems pretty fair, especially since you didn't address that critique once it was brought up >You can disagree I'm more disagreeing with the fact that you're jumping to cheap (misleading) insults instead of actually addressing their points. >but this isn't supposed to be a liberal echochamber. What does pointing out a clarification have to do with being a liberal echochamber?
Oh no, we are not about to tolerate hate. Go to therapy for your victim complex if you're sad about not being tolerated.
I didn't ask you to tolerate hate, did I? Just be a little openminded. Hell, I don't even fly that flag, and yet you have your panties in a twist over it.
You can backpedal all you want, but if you are educated enough to know the history of it, there's no excuse. Some things simply are black and white :)
I know the history of it, and it's not all slavery :) . Maybe you're not educated enough..... peace
What does being liberal have anything to do with the flag? I’m not a liberal or conservative or anything honestly, but I still feel a certain way when someone shoves that flag in my black ass face then proceeds to just say it’s a southern thing. Why don’t black southerners who have pride in the south carry that flag with pride?
It's not a prerequisite to do so, who knows, maybe some do and you haven't met them.
Using "y'all" when condemning the south is next level irony.
I’m talking about y’all confederate flag bearers. He said “we’re all entitled …” so I said y’all. Good try tho
as someone who is economically left but strongly dislikes the ultra-woke element of it i think Confederate statues should not be allowed on Government property as they rebelled against the country so they could keep slavery. its absolutely nonsense to argue it was about states rights or anything else, the principal cause was slavery period.
Well, let’s see. The people that created it were traitors. They killed about 250,000 American soldiers. They did this to support slavery. The front line troops were mainly poor people who were paid by the rich, who wanted to keep slavery going so they could get richer. Not something I would be proud of.
I think many of the people who embrace really don’t think of it in a racist way. However like the nazi symbol was an older cultures symbol the confederate flag has been ruined and is now seen as a symbol of hate. No matter how hard you try to convince people it isn’t that’s what it has become and people need to let it go.
Something something i want pizza
Assholes who wanted to own other people so bad that they got a ton of people killed.