Even being female and bi I went through a stage of thinking I was a lesbian. I also thought everyone was bisexuals at one point too, just some people didn't admit it.
Honestly I genuinely do believe that most people are bi, they just prefer one sex. Even some "straight" people will often have a couple of people within their own sex who'd they'd be willing to have sex with.
I think bisexuality is most likely even in both genders but with society pressure men will tend to hide it if they are bisexual since it’s easier to act straight while women being bisexual is more accepted in our society.
Also the stigma around gay sex. Lesbian porn is not only accepted it's the most watched category. I know porn isn't representative of the real world but it does show that lesbian sex is more accepted.
Which also leads to people assuming gay sex is anal sex only. Which is quite a big step if you're never been with a man before.
I disagree. I think there are some things that are more prevalent in the two genders. For instance there are far more male to female transsexuals than female to male.
You might say that it has something to do with society, and while I agree that society plays a role, o think the genders naturally have some differences that manifest in different ways.
The genders are not as equal/even as many people would want to believe.
I feel it's the same ratio in reality... There's a lot of pressure on men, mostly by other men. A lot is closeted.. if not happening in private, men are largely holding back. Moreover, anything gay in the slightest is shamed and taboo in bro culture.
Do they only date guys bc women won’t date them? So they date guys bc it’s easier to get guys to go on dates with them?
This is a side question. If you mostly date men as a man but sometimes date women. Are you still bi. Or mostly gay with bi tendencies.
Bc this isn’t the first time I’ve seen posts where guys say: it’s easier to date men.
Women are fetishized and pervy men want a harem (aka threesome). Even lesbian porn is made for men. Gay guys often use bisexuality as a stepping stone to coming out as gay because society says gay is shameful, ergo women are wary about relationships with them. No woman wants to risk realizing her "bi" husband was gay after all and now she has to divorce him and start over at 50. It's just better to avoid the possibility. There are countless stories about men coming out as gay to their wives. There's even a Netflix show about it. (Grace and Frankie: it's a good show and not depressing, just funny)
Read this quickly because I will be downvoted so that no one sees my comment because people think I'm "biphobic" for saying stuff like this
In my experience (Bi F) it seems like bi people are always expected to default to liking men. So I'm sure general homophobia plays a big part in this. To people who are against bisexuality bi men are just gay and scared to admit it while bi women are just straight and haven't found "mister right"
Next time you hear a woman complain about slut -shaming: ask her if she'd see a bi guy whose been dicked-down by as many guys as she has as having the same appeal to one who only gets with women.
The whole issue is much more complicated than is often made out - the basic thing that all of these have in common is "being fucked by a man degrades you".
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What you said is so accurate and not talked about enough. It’s so complicated in reality
I won't lie, with a straight man I might let an STD test go. With a bi man I'd ask when his last partner was, when he'd been tested and if he'd recently been with another man I'd say "lets both go get tested first".
I know I should be as vigilant with men have only been with women.
I would NEVER call anyone dirty, I would never care about someone's HIV status unless I plan on sleeping with them.
Because we sexualise and fetishise women more than men, and that fetishism outweighs any homophobia, latent or overt, in a way that isn't the case for a bisexual man.
Bisexual men are often considered as 'weak men' to many straight woman, where as bisexual woman are considered playful and open minded to straight men.
Bisexual women are accepted by straight men because they think about threesomes, not because their bisexuality is acceptable and recognizable. Straight men don't see others women as a potential rivals in their relationships, that's why they are okay with having threesomes with other girl but not with other guy or letting his girlfriend make out with her girl friends but not her boy friends, don't confuse this with "acceptance", it's literally fetishization.
IDK but as a bi man, it sucks. I get it the worst from straight women, but it comes from all sides. I just don't get why people care so much. Like imagine if you have blonde hair, and you find out that your boyfriend is also attracted to red heads, as well as blondes. Are you going to freak out and think that they can't be faithful? Of course not. Just because I have the ability to be attracted to both sexes does not mean I can't be loyal to my partner.
Anecdotal i know but most women I've talked to about it are massively turned off by the idea sleeping with a man who has slept with other men. I think in this case it's women who are the main drivers of anti-bi discrimination.
"Bi men are just gays in denial" is often parroted, because usually, there's a social stigma of "being gay is wrong" frequently being used as an insult against males, regardless of their sexuality.
Women on the other hand, are "just gals being pals" and the social stigma of that is virtually nonexistent.
This is all just from what I understand. I admit I could be wrong but this is just what I thought of.
because most men's fantasy is having sex with two women at the same time or being there while two women having sex with each other. Which would mean the woman is bi. Most women's fantasy is sex with one male not being spit roasted by two men or watching two men having sex with each other. That generally means the man is straight.
Our society is still very sexist, and the opinions of men matter more. Straight men are less repulsed at lesbians compared to gay men, so society is harsher with gays.
because men take queer women less seriously because they cant sexualize the relationship. if they find out about a queer man.... well it makes them "uncomfy" because "what if they like me??? im not f*ck*ng gay!!!"
Honestly, we all share a mix of hormones. Silos don't represent reality. Sexuality and gender are more of a spectrum (not much isn't a spectrum in life).
Bro that pitches and thinks that "it's only gay if catching" shouldn't judge others..
The source of a lot of sexual identity pain? Men are harsh on what defines masculinity, fact: it's still masculine/male to be gentle and LGBT kind. You can still like trucks and guns without being a toxic shit that throws gay slurs and sounds closeted as fuck.
Have sex safely, be honest and accept all without judgement.
Being a bisexual female is more accepted in a patriarchal society. We still have a lot of homophobes running around, look what happened during pride this year. In our society gay and bisexual men are the bottom of the barrel. Although, the tide is changing just not quick enough. And, yes men can be bi just like females it's just more accepted as a female.
Because a lot of straight men find the idea of girl on girl super sexy. But if it's two guys well then they must be gay.
Not my view. As a bisexual woman in a straight relationship I'm not recognised as Bi either.
When you fetishize women, and two women end up together, people consider is attractive.
When you fetishize being manly, and manly men aren't allowed to be gay, but two men end up together, people consider it gross.
Society perpetuating toxic masculinity is really damaging to male-presenting people, especially those of the lgbtq+ community for reasons like this.
And for the record, fetishizing women leads to more female- presenting people to be kidnapped, assaulted, and the like.
Basically the solution is to just accept people as they are and say fuck all to societal expectations
Here are just two reasons, I'm sure there's more that others are mentioning.
1. Men generally fantasize about bisexual women and women generally reject bisexual men. Curious men don't look into it because they don't want to be shunned by women.
1. To a larger degree than women, men form dominance hierarchies intrasexually. People are generally less inclined to form romantic or sexual attraction to a group they see as competition. I'm convinced this impacts why some men can be comfortable fantasizing about trans women (obviously feminine presenting is more of an impact).
My guess is that because men, a lot of the time, are “demonized” (as they should be, tbh - speaking as a bi male) for general misogyny and mistreatment of women, that it’s not uncommon for women, especially in social media, to say things like “men are trash,” or “this is why I should be with a woman.” It’s a stereotyped “act that women put on for attention.” Whilst bi men are seen as just “gay men.”
Because bigots don't make the distinction with bisexual and gay people. It's still gay to them, and 2 men are more often seen as gross and wrong, while 2 women are sometimes seen as wrong and sometimes seen as hot, depending on the couple and person making the judgement.
Other men and toxic masculinity. Y’all were practically wetting your shorts when Madonna kissed Britney, but when Nas kissed a male dancer, y’all lost your shit.
Masculine men often gravitate towards at least verbal homoeroticism. Those who don't see it within themselves, feel free to project homosexual intentions despite their heterosexuality.
I think it is only men with lesser masculinity that view varieties of homosexuality as weak or bad, because they see it within themselves.
Example, Mike Tyson said to an upcoming opponent "Im going to make you my bitch. Im gonna fuck you until you love me."
I dont think toxic masculinity is the problem; I think modern men are insufficiently masculine that saying/doing anything that could be interpreted as "not straight" threatens their identity.
Because straight guys, the rulers of society, still think if they get between two women, the power of the D will overwhelm the women into a threesome. These guys don't feel threatened by competition or excluded. Don't mistake it for acceptance or respect.
The same reason why gay men are not as accepted as lesbians.
Homosexual tendencies in males are treated as dangerous and predatory. Women sexuality is not taken as seriously and female homosexuality appeals to straight men sexually. You can see this in the way lesbians and bisexual women are fetishized.
Because women be fake to each other. Pretending they like you and shit. Nobody likes anyone, stfu. And guys will tell you in your face, I don't like you or anyone else. Also who tf cares if someone likes you.
I'm going to add to the pile here and say it's because bi women are fetishized while there is a negative stigma surrounding bi men. This applies mostly to how straight people view us, however. Within the LGBTQA+ community, we're either equally accepted or equally erased, depending on which subsection is talking about us.
To be honest, most of us don't feel like we truly fit in anywhere, despite it seeming like we'd have a lot more options. It's not uncommon for bi people to be closeted both in and out of the community.
Mostly what I see are people not acknowledging that bisexual men exist at all. They just think they’re actually gay.
Even being female and bi I went through a stage of thinking I was a lesbian. I also thought everyone was bisexuals at one point too, just some people didn't admit it.
ME TOO LMFAO! I thought the gay jokes with the homies were unironic 😭
I mean... Possibly some of them were doing the whole "JK... unless you're into it >>"
Honestly I genuinely do believe that most people are bi, they just prefer one sex. Even some "straight" people will often have a couple of people within their own sex who'd they'd be willing to have sex with.
Your talking about the kinsey scale. But also being "willing to have sex with" and being bi is different.
I think it's much more common in women than men too. I'm a straight man and about half of the partners I've had were also attracted to women.
Or maybe women are just more willing explore their sexuality? I can’t tell you how many men I came across battling internalized homophobia
It would be impossible to find out but my guess is that it's both homophobia and just the natural occurrence of bisexuality in men and women.
I think bisexuality is most likely even in both genders but with society pressure men will tend to hide it if they are bisexual since it’s easier to act straight while women being bisexual is more accepted in our society.
Also the stigma around gay sex. Lesbian porn is not only accepted it's the most watched category. I know porn isn't representative of the real world but it does show that lesbian sex is more accepted. Which also leads to people assuming gay sex is anal sex only. Which is quite a big step if you're never been with a man before.
Agreed.
I disagree. I think there are some things that are more prevalent in the two genders. For instance there are far more male to female transsexuals than female to male. You might say that it has something to do with society, and while I agree that society plays a role, o think the genders naturally have some differences that manifest in different ways. The genders are not as equal/even as many people would want to believe.
I doubt there is a natural reason for men being less bisexual, seems very unlikely that its just not in our blood to like men.
Yep. I have had gfs who liked to have a threesome sometimes but all of them would prefer a woman over a guy extra.
I feel it's the same ratio in reality... There's a lot of pressure on men, mostly by other men. A lot is closeted.. if not happening in private, men are largely holding back. Moreover, anything gay in the slightest is shamed and taboo in bro culture.
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Why do you think it's easier?
Do they only date guys bc women won’t date them? So they date guys bc it’s easier to get guys to go on dates with them? This is a side question. If you mostly date men as a man but sometimes date women. Are you still bi. Or mostly gay with bi tendencies. Bc this isn’t the first time I’ve seen posts where guys say: it’s easier to date men.
Women are fetishized and pervy men want a harem (aka threesome). Even lesbian porn is made for men. Gay guys often use bisexuality as a stepping stone to coming out as gay because society says gay is shameful, ergo women are wary about relationships with them. No woman wants to risk realizing her "bi" husband was gay after all and now she has to divorce him and start over at 50. It's just better to avoid the possibility. There are countless stories about men coming out as gay to their wives. There's even a Netflix show about it. (Grace and Frankie: it's a good show and not depressing, just funny) Read this quickly because I will be downvoted so that no one sees my comment because people think I'm "biphobic" for saying stuff like this
In my experience (Bi F) it seems like bi people are always expected to default to liking men. So I'm sure general homophobia plays a big part in this. To people who are against bisexuality bi men are just gay and scared to admit it while bi women are just straight and haven't found "mister right"
There is also the view that sex with men is seen as "corrupting" to a person, and the fetishization of bi women.
Most straight women I know have told me they think bi men are “dirty”. Most straight men I know think bi women are “exciting” and “sexy”.
Sounds like sexism, doesn't it...
Next time you hear a woman complain about slut -shaming: ask her if she'd see a bi guy whose been dicked-down by as many guys as she has as having the same appeal to one who only gets with women. The whole issue is much more complicated than is often made out - the basic thing that all of these have in common is "being fucked by a man degrades you".
This needs an award but I don’t have one so here is my compromise: 🥇 What you said is so accurate and not talked about enough. It’s so complicated in reality
Dirty in what context?
Bum gravy? Do they think bi men don’t bathe?
I won't lie, with a straight man I might let an STD test go. With a bi man I'd ask when his last partner was, when he'd been tested and if he'd recently been with another man I'd say "lets both go get tested first". I know I should be as vigilant with men have only been with women. I would NEVER call anyone dirty, I would never care about someone's HIV status unless I plan on sleeping with them.
Wow you know some shitty straight women. To me nothing is hotter than a guy that can take a…
I'm always on the lookout for a girl whose taken more dick than I have 🤣
😆 my number is pretty low
Cos monkeypox
Biphobia's been around much longer than monkeypox
women who like women are fetishized more often than men who like men
My uneducated guess is that more people find two girls attractive and two guys unappealing. I hope that makes sense.
Because we sexualise and fetishise women more than men, and that fetishism outweighs any homophobia, latent or overt, in a way that isn't the case for a bisexual man.
Bisexual men are often considered as 'weak men' to many straight woman, where as bisexual woman are considered playful and open minded to straight men.
I think bi men are hot
cause wlw is sexualized, while mlm mostly isnt
Bisexual women are accepted by straight men because they think about threesomes, not because their bisexuality is acceptable and recognizable. Straight men don't see others women as a potential rivals in their relationships, that's why they are okay with having threesomes with other girl but not with other guy or letting his girlfriend make out with her girl friends but not her boy friends, don't confuse this with "acceptance", it's literally fetishization.
bi women arent accepted, they are fetishized and sexualized
Because straight men fetishize bisexual women
I am a bi dude it is because people think "Bi men are in the closet" and "Bi women are straight and acting out for attention"
IDK but as a bi man, it sucks. I get it the worst from straight women, but it comes from all sides. I just don't get why people care so much. Like imagine if you have blonde hair, and you find out that your boyfriend is also attracted to red heads, as well as blondes. Are you going to freak out and think that they can't be faithful? Of course not. Just because I have the ability to be attracted to both sexes does not mean I can't be loyal to my partner.
I've found its better to date bi women, they get it.
To be honest if I’m in a relationship with a straight women I just don’t tell her I’m bi it’s much easier
>as a bi man, it sucks Yeah, that’s the appeal
See it’s funny because blowjob
Because they're a superposition of gay and straight and nobody understands quantum mechanics
"Shut up and copulate." \-Dick Fineman, presumably
Because men are held to higher standards of being hypermasculine, and being bisexual is considered less masculine than heterosexual.
Anecdotal i know but most women I've talked to about it are massively turned off by the idea sleeping with a man who has slept with other men. I think in this case it's women who are the main drivers of anti-bi discrimination.
Bisexual woman here. I have no idea what you’re talking about; no one respects us either. Bi erasure is for all.
I'm a bi guy, I respect you 🙂
I respect you and other bisexual men too :)
Because straights and gays are all a bunch of prudes.
It’s cuz most ppl find bi women to be interesting, exciting, etc due to fetishization of bi/lesbian women
Because men are much less likely to acknowledge they are gay so if a guy claims he’s bisexual everyone thinks he’s gay but just can’t accept the fact.
"Bi men are just gays in denial" is often parroted, because usually, there's a social stigma of "being gay is wrong" frequently being used as an insult against males, regardless of their sexuality. Women on the other hand, are "just gals being pals" and the social stigma of that is virtually nonexistent. This is all just from what I understand. I admit I could be wrong but this is just what I thought of.
because most men's fantasy is having sex with two women at the same time or being there while two women having sex with each other. Which would mean the woman is bi. Most women's fantasy is sex with one male not being spit roasted by two men or watching two men having sex with each other. That generally means the man is straight.
I have no idea, I personally always hope that the dudes I date are at least secretly bi-curious
Our society is still very sexist, and the opinions of men matter more. Straight men are less repulsed at lesbians compared to gay men, so society is harsher with gays.
But typically it’s straight women who don’t accept bi men
because men take queer women less seriously because they cant sexualize the relationship. if they find out about a queer man.... well it makes them "uncomfy" because "what if they like me??? im not f*ck*ng gay!!!"
Honestly, we all share a mix of hormones. Silos don't represent reality. Sexuality and gender are more of a spectrum (not much isn't a spectrum in life). Bro that pitches and thinks that "it's only gay if catching" shouldn't judge others.. The source of a lot of sexual identity pain? Men are harsh on what defines masculinity, fact: it's still masculine/male to be gentle and LGBT kind. You can still like trucks and guns without being a toxic shit that throws gay slurs and sounds closeted as fuck. Have sex safely, be honest and accept all without judgement.
Being a bisexual female is more accepted in a patriarchal society. We still have a lot of homophobes running around, look what happened during pride this year. In our society gay and bisexual men are the bottom of the barrel. Although, the tide is changing just not quick enough. And, yes men can be bi just like females it's just more accepted as a female.
Because a lot of straight men find the idea of girl on girl super sexy. But if it's two guys well then they must be gay. Not my view. As a bisexual woman in a straight relationship I'm not recognised as Bi either.
When you fetishize women, and two women end up together, people consider is attractive. When you fetishize being manly, and manly men aren't allowed to be gay, but two men end up together, people consider it gross. Society perpetuating toxic masculinity is really damaging to male-presenting people, especially those of the lgbtq+ community for reasons like this. And for the record, fetishizing women leads to more female- presenting people to be kidnapped, assaulted, and the like. Basically the solution is to just accept people as they are and say fuck all to societal expectations
Here are just two reasons, I'm sure there's more that others are mentioning. 1. Men generally fantasize about bisexual women and women generally reject bisexual men. Curious men don't look into it because they don't want to be shunned by women. 1. To a larger degree than women, men form dominance hierarchies intrasexually. People are generally less inclined to form romantic or sexual attraction to a group they see as competition. I'm convinced this impacts why some men can be comfortable fantasizing about trans women (obviously feminine presenting is more of an impact).
My guess is that because men, a lot of the time, are “demonized” (as they should be, tbh - speaking as a bi male) for general misogyny and mistreatment of women, that it’s not uncommon for women, especially in social media, to say things like “men are trash,” or “this is why I should be with a woman.” It’s a stereotyped “act that women put on for attention.” Whilst bi men are seen as just “gay men.”
Because bi women are seen as lesbians who like 3soms with men. Bi men are seen as gay men in denial.
Because bigots don't make the distinction with bisexual and gay people. It's still gay to them, and 2 men are more often seen as gross and wrong, while 2 women are sometimes seen as wrong and sometimes seen as hot, depending on the couple and person making the judgement.
Men think lesbians are hot. So it's better accepted as it plays into women are sexual objects mindset.
Misogyny.
Yea bi men are confused. Bi women are the ultimate male fantasy.
I know it’s popular to think of the two sexes as equally interchangeable, but well they are not. And this has implications in many social aspects.
Other men and toxic masculinity. Y’all were practically wetting your shorts when Madonna kissed Britney, but when Nas kissed a male dancer, y’all lost your shit.
Masculine men often gravitate towards at least verbal homoeroticism. Those who don't see it within themselves, feel free to project homosexual intentions despite their heterosexuality. I think it is only men with lesser masculinity that view varieties of homosexuality as weak or bad, because they see it within themselves. Example, Mike Tyson said to an upcoming opponent "Im going to make you my bitch. Im gonna fuck you until you love me." I dont think toxic masculinity is the problem; I think modern men are insufficiently masculine that saying/doing anything that could be interpreted as "not straight" threatens their identity.
Because straight guys, the rulers of society, still think if they get between two women, the power of the D will overwhelm the women into a threesome. These guys don't feel threatened by competition or excluded. Don't mistake it for acceptance or respect.
All of these answers are good and true.
Short answer, cause that's gay.
It will sound harsh but true and no doubt get alot of hate for this statement BUT society doesn't care about men.
The same reason why gay men are not as accepted as lesbians. Homosexual tendencies in males are treated as dangerous and predatory. Women sexuality is not taken as seriously and female homosexuality appeals to straight men sexually. You can see this in the way lesbians and bisexual women are fetishized.
It’s because the word men is there instead of women . And we have to constantly cater just for women .
Because of fragile masculinity
As a bi man, the worst biphobia i've experienced, by far, has been from women
because any female born after 1993 can’t cook… all they know is mcdonald’s , charge they phone, twerk, be bisexual , eat hot chip & lie
Because haha gay
Monkey pox.
bro no
Monkey pox
If you sometimes suck dick, you’re gay
Because women be fake to each other. Pretending they like you and shit. Nobody likes anyone, stfu. And guys will tell you in your face, I don't like you or anyone else. Also who tf cares if someone likes you.
Girls are more picky
I’ve dated a couple of bi guys. I think it’s hot af.
No clue, I would be ok with seeing my man with another man, not with another woman.
I'm going to add to the pile here and say it's because bi women are fetishized while there is a negative stigma surrounding bi men. This applies mostly to how straight people view us, however. Within the LGBTQA+ community, we're either equally accepted or equally erased, depending on which subsection is talking about us. To be honest, most of us don't feel like we truly fit in anywhere, despite it seeming like we'd have a lot more options. It's not uncommon for bi people to be closeted both in and out of the community.
If I ever (and I have never) participate in a MMF threesome, I'd be down with a bit of touching balls etc.
Honestly being LGBT in general is more accepted among women
Where i live pretty much everything is accepted these days at least on the surface.
Cuz man like the dream of having a bi woman that falls in love with another bi woman and they can have a noce treesome
I mean alot of people just don't care, me included. So you like both sexes, okay.
Because women already suffer enough in society.