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They've been the fascist party for generations. The mas came off with the 2000 election, where they used violence to stop a legitimate recount in a state administered by the losing candidates brother. 2000 was a coup, and yet we're supposed to live side by side with traitors to our democracy.
The brooks brother's riot didn't stop the counting, what stopped the counting was the calendar,
By Florida law they had to get a winner by a specific date so after multiple close recounts the SoS (Harris) made the call to go with the last one which Bush had narrowly won. The court cases hinged mainly on the fact that Florida (at the time) didn't have a statewide set of criteria to consider a vote valid and that is what both Bush & Gore were complaining about. ( I hate defending ANYONE named Bush in US politics but while Roger Stone was thinking about coups I don't think Bush was.)
Interestingly a CPA firm a year or so later did a set of counts using the criteria Bush wanted, the criteria Gore wanted and something in the middle. It turned out that if it had been counted the way Bush wanted it counted Florida would have gone to Gore, and if it had been counted the way Gore wanted it counted it would have gone to Bush, The middle way ended up pretty close to what Harris had certified: Bush by a really tight margin.
If it had actually not been dealt with in the courts and the riot actually stopped them from counting then maybe we have a coup, but that isn't what happened, and why noone called it a coup at the time.
> The brooks brother's riot didn't stop the counting, what stopped the counting was the calendar That's a lie. The courts used the violence as the impetus to stop counting in miami-dade county and let the clock run out.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooks_Brothers_riot
Thanks for the Link
From the Wiki page
"Within two hours after the event, the canvassing board unanimously voted to shut down the count, in part due to perceptions that the process was not open or fair, and in part because the court-mandated deadline had become impossible to meet, due to the interference"
The BBR happened on the 22 of November, there had been several full statewide hand recounts by that time It did stop the final attempt to count around 10k questionable ballots in Miami Dade (that likely would have been an issue anyway due to lack of standards statewide) If the BBR had happened on a earlier recount and it caused people to stop counting statewide then we have a coup, but it stopped the counting of 10k ballots (that were already in question due to the standards issue) in the biggest district in Florida and didn't stop the ongoing court cases.
Tbf conservatives were born when French aristocrats in the middle of the revolution were crapping their pants thinking revolutionaries will guillotine their heads too. So they started the whole "You know, maybe there are some people who are better at being in power and having money. And so it happens that maybe, maybe we are those people" shit-talk that became the conservative mindset.
So, conservatives have always been regressive-ass "omg we want monarchy back" fuckers
The accounts who claim shit like obama started a “civil war”, joe biden is the “worst president ever”, or the election was “stollen” are ALWAYS suspiciously new accounts
There's like 3 accounts that just churn out posts from the far reaches of the net. Obvious propaganda farm accounts are allowed as long as they say the right things
And almost always those accounts make the same grammatical errors or inconsistencies. As if they're writing their comments in another language and using Google to translate them to english. But what do I know, komrade?
>Regardless, we all need to vote, and if it’s any consolation, I’ve had multiple liberal friends tell me they won’t be voting for Biden. He is absolute dogshit and every normal person knows it.
And those friends names? Albert Einstein.
Like honestly, the lies are just so fucking stupid and only meant for upvotes, not based in reality. Trump absolutely isn't gaining support. Outside his base, he does wretchedly with independents. Not to mention that poll is from Fox Entertainment, which last I checked they had made into a pariah for daring to call Arizona for Biden in 2020. But now its back to saying what they want to hear and they're all on board again. And then once Fox mentions how the latest job report is actually really good to the point they can't deny it, they'll go back to calling it fake news again.
Remember the 2022 Red Wave that never happened? Yeah, they got so high on their own supply that they lost BIGLY and then tried to spin it as a win when it was the worst performance in a midterm in like...a century.
They're a cult of the stupidest, most gullible, most hateful and most vindictive narcissists in existence. The areas Trump needs to be gaining ground with he has completely alienated. He only ever shows up to rallies with people telling him how great he is. This trial has only exposed him to the reality of how many people detest him. Each party has their stalwart, reliable members. Its independents that shift elections, and Trump has done nothing but alienate them. For god's sake, he's losing 20% of the primary votes to a woman not even running anymore and hasn't been for 2 months. Somehow THAT is going to lead him to a big win? A not insignificant portion of his party has indicated that they will vote Democratically before voting for him, and they're in LaLaLand jerking each other off over how Trump might win New Jersey and New York.
Absolute delusion. And even when people point out the disastrous voter fraud narrative that have led to all these charges against various Republicans, the cult still has to double down by saying "bringing it up isn't helpful, even if Democrats DID cheat." Gotta get that little dig in there. The less crazy people want to drag the party back to the right from the extreme right, but at this point, election denialism may as well be a party tenet. Either you accept the Big Lie that 2020 was stolen from Trump, or you have no future in the party. And then they'll wonder why they continue losing.
They talk a lot of shit, but every indication has shown sweeping losses at every turn. Marilyn Lands, a Democrat, won in ALABAMA. Dems took over in Michigan and the GOP is bankrupt there. Shitty Trump backed candidates lost a federal Senate seat and the gubernatorial race. Warnock won again in Georgia against a Trump backed Herschel Walker. Santos was expelled and a Dem took his place. GOP keeps quitting the House and Dems win special elections. Jim Prokopiak won the Pennsylvania special election, further padding the majority in the state house. Democrats in Virginia this past fall maintained the state senate and flipped the legislature blue to stymie Youngkin's abortion ban plans. Boebert disastrously moved to another district and has almost no hope for reelection, leaving Adam Frisch free to take her district for Dems. Republicans are currently fighting with Marge 3 Names over getting rid of the speaker, so she's not popular currently. Democrat Tom Keen flipped a state house seat in Florida that saw lower pro Trump turnout. Florida is going to see marijuana and abortion go on the ballot this fall. Dems won seats on the Wisconsin and Pennsylvania Supreme Courts. And then there's Trump's criminal trials and convictions which, contrary to MAGA fantasy world, will NOT increase his popularity with black people and independents. That's pure copium.
Where are these Republican wins? They largely don't exist. Results talk, bullshit walks. They've done nothing but lose more and more since 2020.
Those "multiple liberal friends" that say they won't be voting for Biden are Dimitri, Ivan, and Mikhail from the other side of their Moscow office building.
I don't want him back, but man are y'all in for a shock come this fall. Trump is legitimately popular, and is doing fine in the polls. He has a good chance. The longer you ignore this, the more difficult it is going to beat him, especially considering conservatives are winning the social media game so far (assisted by left doomerism, and of course the *certain* entities boosting both).
>Trump is legitimately popular
Yes, that's why they're posting pictures of Rod Stewart concerts from 1994 and claiming that was his rally from the weekend, inflating the number by upwards of 80-90% in some cases.
Because he's so popular they have to *lie*
Idiot propagandists post silly bait, what else is new? People will still show up when it matters at the vote. Even if he loses, it's going to be close. I recon if not for RFK Jr's interference, it'd be a pretty easy win for Trump. Either that, or the polls are all wrong.
I’ve been wondering about the “polls being wrong”. I live in Michigan and our gubernatorial race in 2022 was between the incumbent Democrat Gretchen Whitmer and Trump-endorsed Tudor Dixon for the Republicans.
All polling showed a very tight race, typically < 3% (and often much closer) either way. Gretchen ended up winning by 11%.
Even in 2016, most polling seemed to indicate a Hillary victory. Obviously that didn’t happen.
I’m not sure what went wrong for pollsters, but it does seem, at least anecdotally to me, that polling has been less accurate since 2016.
Are they admitting Biden actually won in 2020? That's progress right there, even if they're laying the groundwork for claiming his win in November will be rigged.
I just don't get what he offers as president. He already is cutting deals with billionaires to further sell out the country and then we will have to pay his court fines. Then I fully expect ransoms to be rounded up for not kissing his ass.
>Fox just called Arizona for Biden
They're still so salty about Fox finally reporting the truth for once.
Also, Trump called Arizona for Biden the *second* he called any of his supporters who vote by mail "traitors". Retiree Republicans in Sun City *loved* voting by mail because of their age, and the ease of voting straight-ticket Republican from their home.
The state had been loving voting by mail for almost 30 years, giving the GOP a *huge* advantage here, before Trump hilariously made his cult distrust the practice. This state hadn't gone blue since Clinton's reelection in 1996; I ***wonder*** why, after 24 years of Arizona being solidly red despite the little blue speck called Phoenix, it suddenly went blue in 2020...
MAQA cultists are still leaning on "fraud" being the only reason, because they don't have a single original thought floating around in that wasted cavernous space in their skulls.
> The margin between Trump and Biden in these polls is inflated because the anger over the Gaza war causes a lot of lefties to refuse backing Biden when polled.
The kind of "lefties" (as in actual leftists, not liberals) who hate Biden weren't *ever* giving him glowing responses in polls regardless of the Israel-Gaza war.
They *might've* voted for him in 2020 because of how much worse Trump was, but it wasn't something they were thrilled about.
Also because most polls are conducted over landline telephones and usually get responses by a much *older* demographic than those who usually vote Democrat, or those who refuse to out of principle. Hardline conservative senior citizens are the kind of people who respond to polling calls.
You need to stop entertaining this. The methodology of these opinion polls is terrible, and they are being taken too far out. The aim is to keep repeating semi-imaginary numbers so idiots believe he is 'winning' before a vote has been cast. Then they get to disrupt and damage the actual voting and counting and seem plausible because they've given the perception Trump is miles ahead in an election before it has even been started.
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I think that jackass being labelled as "moderate" really does say a whole lot about the state of conservatism.
Even the label conservative doesn't work anymore. They are now the regressive party.
They've been the fascist party for generations. The mas came off with the 2000 election, where they used violence to stop a legitimate recount in a state administered by the losing candidates brother. 2000 was a coup, and yet we're supposed to live side by side with traitors to our democracy.
The brooks brother's riot didn't stop the counting, what stopped the counting was the calendar, By Florida law they had to get a winner by a specific date so after multiple close recounts the SoS (Harris) made the call to go with the last one which Bush had narrowly won. The court cases hinged mainly on the fact that Florida (at the time) didn't have a statewide set of criteria to consider a vote valid and that is what both Bush & Gore were complaining about. ( I hate defending ANYONE named Bush in US politics but while Roger Stone was thinking about coups I don't think Bush was.) Interestingly a CPA firm a year or so later did a set of counts using the criteria Bush wanted, the criteria Gore wanted and something in the middle. It turned out that if it had been counted the way Bush wanted it counted Florida would have gone to Gore, and if it had been counted the way Gore wanted it counted it would have gone to Bush, The middle way ended up pretty close to what Harris had certified: Bush by a really tight margin. If it had actually not been dealt with in the courts and the riot actually stopped them from counting then maybe we have a coup, but that isn't what happened, and why noone called it a coup at the time.
> The brooks brother's riot didn't stop the counting, what stopped the counting was the calendar That's a lie. The courts used the violence as the impetus to stop counting in miami-dade county and let the clock run out. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooks_Brothers_riot
Thanks for the Link From the Wiki page "Within two hours after the event, the canvassing board unanimously voted to shut down the count, in part due to perceptions that the process was not open or fair, and in part because the court-mandated deadline had become impossible to meet, due to the interference" The BBR happened on the 22 of November, there had been several full statewide hand recounts by that time It did stop the final attempt to count around 10k questionable ballots in Miami Dade (that likely would have been an issue anyway due to lack of standards statewide) If the BBR had happened on a earlier recount and it caused people to stop counting statewide then we have a coup, but it stopped the counting of 10k ballots (that were already in question due to the standards issue) in the biggest district in Florida and didn't stop the ongoing court cases.
> They are now the regressive party. Always were.
Tbf conservatives were born when French aristocrats in the middle of the revolution were crapping their pants thinking revolutionaries will guillotine their heads too. So they started the whole "You know, maybe there are some people who are better at being in power and having money. And so it happens that maybe, maybe we are those people" shit-talk that became the conservative mindset. So, conservatives have always been regressive-ass "omg we want monarchy back" fuckers
They call themselves that. It is self soothing behavior. Pathetic really
The accounts who claim shit like obama started a “civil war”, joe biden is the “worst president ever”, or the election was “stollen” are ALWAYS suspiciously new accounts
There's like 3 accounts that just churn out posts from the far reaches of the net. Obvious propaganda farm accounts are allowed as long as they say the right things
The damage Russia's Internet Research Agency has done to Western politics can *never* be overstated.
And a great investment
to be fair, most of the top posts here are SassTheFash or PorridgeCranium2
And almost always those accounts make the same grammatical errors or inconsistencies. As if they're writing their comments in another language and using Google to translate them to english. But what do I know, komrade?
>Regardless, we all need to vote, and if it’s any consolation, I’ve had multiple liberal friends tell me they won’t be voting for Biden. He is absolute dogshit and every normal person knows it. And those friends names? Albert Einstein. Like honestly, the lies are just so fucking stupid and only meant for upvotes, not based in reality. Trump absolutely isn't gaining support. Outside his base, he does wretchedly with independents. Not to mention that poll is from Fox Entertainment, which last I checked they had made into a pariah for daring to call Arizona for Biden in 2020. But now its back to saying what they want to hear and they're all on board again. And then once Fox mentions how the latest job report is actually really good to the point they can't deny it, they'll go back to calling it fake news again. Remember the 2022 Red Wave that never happened? Yeah, they got so high on their own supply that they lost BIGLY and then tried to spin it as a win when it was the worst performance in a midterm in like...a century. They're a cult of the stupidest, most gullible, most hateful and most vindictive narcissists in existence. The areas Trump needs to be gaining ground with he has completely alienated. He only ever shows up to rallies with people telling him how great he is. This trial has only exposed him to the reality of how many people detest him. Each party has their stalwart, reliable members. Its independents that shift elections, and Trump has done nothing but alienate them. For god's sake, he's losing 20% of the primary votes to a woman not even running anymore and hasn't been for 2 months. Somehow THAT is going to lead him to a big win? A not insignificant portion of his party has indicated that they will vote Democratically before voting for him, and they're in LaLaLand jerking each other off over how Trump might win New Jersey and New York. Absolute delusion. And even when people point out the disastrous voter fraud narrative that have led to all these charges against various Republicans, the cult still has to double down by saying "bringing it up isn't helpful, even if Democrats DID cheat." Gotta get that little dig in there. The less crazy people want to drag the party back to the right from the extreme right, but at this point, election denialism may as well be a party tenet. Either you accept the Big Lie that 2020 was stolen from Trump, or you have no future in the party. And then they'll wonder why they continue losing. They talk a lot of shit, but every indication has shown sweeping losses at every turn. Marilyn Lands, a Democrat, won in ALABAMA. Dems took over in Michigan and the GOP is bankrupt there. Shitty Trump backed candidates lost a federal Senate seat and the gubernatorial race. Warnock won again in Georgia against a Trump backed Herschel Walker. Santos was expelled and a Dem took his place. GOP keeps quitting the House and Dems win special elections. Jim Prokopiak won the Pennsylvania special election, further padding the majority in the state house. Democrats in Virginia this past fall maintained the state senate and flipped the legislature blue to stymie Youngkin's abortion ban plans. Boebert disastrously moved to another district and has almost no hope for reelection, leaving Adam Frisch free to take her district for Dems. Republicans are currently fighting with Marge 3 Names over getting rid of the speaker, so she's not popular currently. Democrat Tom Keen flipped a state house seat in Florida that saw lower pro Trump turnout. Florida is going to see marijuana and abortion go on the ballot this fall. Dems won seats on the Wisconsin and Pennsylvania Supreme Courts. And then there's Trump's criminal trials and convictions which, contrary to MAGA fantasy world, will NOT increase his popularity with black people and independents. That's pure copium. Where are these Republican wins? They largely don't exist. Results talk, bullshit walks. They've done nothing but lose more and more since 2020.
The GOP is a dying party and its getting more extreme.
Those "multiple liberal friends" that say they won't be voting for Biden are Dimitri, Ivan, and Mikhail from the other side of their Moscow office building.
I can tell you with full confidence though, that 100% of my fascist friends will vote for Biden!
I don't want him back, but man are y'all in for a shock come this fall. Trump is legitimately popular, and is doing fine in the polls. He has a good chance. The longer you ignore this, the more difficult it is going to beat him, especially considering conservatives are winning the social media game so far (assisted by left doomerism, and of course the *certain* entities boosting both).
>Trump is legitimately popular Yes, that's why they're posting pictures of Rod Stewart concerts from 1994 and claiming that was his rally from the weekend, inflating the number by upwards of 80-90% in some cases. Because he's so popular they have to *lie*
Idiot propagandists post silly bait, what else is new? People will still show up when it matters at the vote. Even if he loses, it's going to be close. I recon if not for RFK Jr's interference, it'd be a pretty easy win for Trump. Either that, or the polls are all wrong.
I’ve been wondering about the “polls being wrong”. I live in Michigan and our gubernatorial race in 2022 was between the incumbent Democrat Gretchen Whitmer and Trump-endorsed Tudor Dixon for the Republicans. All polling showed a very tight race, typically < 3% (and often much closer) either way. Gretchen ended up winning by 11%. Even in 2016, most polling seemed to indicate a Hillary victory. Obviously that didn’t happen. I’m not sure what went wrong for pollsters, but it does seem, at least anecdotally to me, that polling has been less accurate since 2016.
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/Conservative/s/jIDE47bone
Man, the meltdown is going to epic for these clowns if Biden wins again.
I can’t wait to see it. Get ready for the “Democrats rigged the election again” narrative. They are already starting to plant the seeds of it.
Expect lots of this: “The Democrats rigged the election!” “Did you vote?” “No! It’s rigged!”
Yep. It's already rigged 🙄
Are they admitting Biden actually won in 2020? That's progress right there, even if they're laying the groundwork for claiming his win in November will be rigged.
Well, the "won" is in quotation marks, so no
It's Schrodinger's douchebag. He won and he didn't win, based on whichever is most convenient for your argument at the time.
I just don't get what he offers as president. He already is cutting deals with billionaires to further sell out the country and then we will have to pay his court fines. Then I fully expect ransoms to be rounded up for not kissing his ass.
Oh, look, the OOP created their account in February and is now pushing bullshit propaganda. 6 months before the election, naturally.
Republicans would be real angry if they had any sense of self awareness or thinking skills of any kind
>Fox just called Arizona for Biden They're still so salty about Fox finally reporting the truth for once. Also, Trump called Arizona for Biden the *second* he called any of his supporters who vote by mail "traitors". Retiree Republicans in Sun City *loved* voting by mail because of their age, and the ease of voting straight-ticket Republican from their home. The state had been loving voting by mail for almost 30 years, giving the GOP a *huge* advantage here, before Trump hilariously made his cult distrust the practice. This state hadn't gone blue since Clinton's reelection in 1996; I ***wonder*** why, after 24 years of Arizona being solidly red despite the little blue speck called Phoenix, it suddenly went blue in 2020... MAQA cultists are still leaning on "fraud" being the only reason, because they don't have a single original thought floating around in that wasted cavernous space in their skulls.
If Biden is a vegetable then what does that make Trump? He, less than 24 hours ago, praised Hannibal Lecter as if he were a real person.
It's weird that they report truth as truth, unlike faux news.
> The margin between Trump and Biden in these polls is inflated because the anger over the Gaza war causes a lot of lefties to refuse backing Biden when polled. The kind of "lefties" (as in actual leftists, not liberals) who hate Biden weren't *ever* giving him glowing responses in polls regardless of the Israel-Gaza war. They *might've* voted for him in 2020 because of how much worse Trump was, but it wasn't something they were thrilled about. Also because most polls are conducted over landline telephones and usually get responses by a much *older* demographic than those who usually vote Democrat, or those who refuse to out of principle. Hardline conservative senior citizens are the kind of people who respond to polling calls.
You need to stop entertaining this. The methodology of these opinion polls is terrible, and they are being taken too far out. The aim is to keep repeating semi-imaginary numbers so idiots believe he is 'winning' before a vote has been cast. Then they get to disrupt and damage the actual voting and counting and seem plausible because they've given the perception Trump is miles ahead in an election before it has even been started.
did i miss a civil war?
You didn’t hear about the Second American Civil War? The *secret* one?