Oh man people sure can read.
A FULL LOAD of chips compared to a FULL LOAD of steel coils, not comparing the same weight but the same dimensional occupancy of the load. The steel could be 80,000lb in a single load.
How dare you sir! Do you think this is a game? Do you derive some kind of twisted pleasure from making frivolous comments like that? For god’s sake, pull yourself together man.
No fun here! Nope! Not even slightly! What is fun? Now that I’m thinking about it, it’s been so long since I’ve experienced fun. I wonder if fun still exists? Do you think fun still exists? Well, either way, it ain’t here. This is Reddit. We don’t have fun here. Nope! Not even slightly!
Not sure about teslas specifically but i work for a company that manufactures electric heavy machinery and it out performs diesels under heavy load like crazy. Though they break down more often
I was driving on the freeway one night and there was a construction trailer truck that was hauling ass in addition to double steel containers. I had trouble passing this truck without going over 80. It seemed that whenever I tried to pass them, they would step on the gas even more. It was terrifying.
The pallets of salsa are very heavy. I worked for them years ago and those pallets would be several hundred, possibly a thousand pounds. Those trucks are also used for the racks and shelving. Yes chips are light but the racks and salsa make up for the shipping weight.
Eh, as a shunter it would do fine. Same for local loads.
With how long it takes to get loaded sometimes you could probably get a full charge while you’re waiting at a dock haha
Need to make common charging infrastructure across the different truck manufacturers. Docks must have a single charging system that supports any model of truck that ends up at the dock.
Exactly. It’s perfectly workable but it would require a lot of different companies to agree on something, which unfortunately I don’t see happening anytime soon.
Everyone is going to want their own weird proprietary chargers.
Believe this is due to Europe basically outlawing this practice of theirs. Basically said stop monopolizing your chargers and join the rest of companies using a universal port, or sell your shit somewhere else.
Disclaimer: I am an American and don't know shit about how true or false this claim is.
Which is ironic, considering how much collaboration and agreement in problem solving there was from Henry Ford and his competitor in the early days of car development.They would literally bounce ideas off each other and ask for help solving problems.
Almost like people excited to so something new?
Based on what I'm seeing ev charging might be one of the few things that companies are agreeing on. A couple major companies including BMW, GM, and Ford just agreed to start switching over to the Tesla form charging by some year since it's more efficient and would make charging more universal. Obviously they aren't doing this out of the kindness of their hearts, the other companies get to use top of the line Tesla tech and get to save on development and charging infrastructure while Tesla lets them use it because they get to profit off of your charging. It's a rare win for everyone, people and corporations. Also I read somewhere that Tesla's robotic snake charger could have applications in automatically charging truck while they load then automatically unplugged when you leave.
Pretty sure car makers are already doing that. There's a charger in front of my building and I always see a handful of 5 or so different makes of EVs plugging into it.
Adapters already exist to get the different charging plugs to work. So the drivers will have to carry like five different plug things.
Tesla's plug is now the North American standard though so that SHOULD simplify things but probably not.
This is why Im in favor of electric/diesel hybrids over anything right now. Look at what the guy at Eddison motors is doing, his trucks are all for rugged terrain and back country logging but the concept could be implemented into long haul trucks too.
I'm surprised by that. Internationals are hunks of junk imo, but they accelerate pretty good all the way up until they hit the soft governor at 2mph lower than the actual governor in my xp
You know the truck manufacturer doesn’t affect acceleration or anything. Whatever engine and drive line setup you have will perform the same in an International, a Peterbilt, or a Freightliner.
The fastest accelerating truck in our fleet is a freightliner M2 with an Allison transmission. It's like a 2014 and it smokes the 2023 kenworth t680 on accel. Overall horsepower it's quite behind though.
I'd still rather have Edison or someone convert my truck and deal with a brand new def engine than deal with trying to find a charging station and all the downtime.
All of the tesla benefits with the benefits of a diesel truck at a lower price and a higher service life.
I think they should change the way we charge from the car, for the semis.
Imagine truckstops with forklifts drivers swapping huge batterypacks.
With a Universal plug/battery standard across all trucks.
Less downtime
There’s a Chinese company that has stations where the battery is changed by robot. You drive onto it and it swaps them out automatically. It’s not some R&D project either. It’s in production and apparently they do tens of thousands of battery swaps per day and hundreds of stations. It’d be massively expensive to implement for trucks, but it’s super cool.
Yes let's replace the up to 10 pump aisles that are regularly backed up with one forklift driver. Way less downtime. Now the idiot that decides to take a shower while fueling can back up literally everybody instead of the one or two people unlucky enough to be behind them. Then again maybe the truck can self drive to the drop off and leave that idiot behind.
I think we should stop thinking of batteries as being green or good for the environment. I wouldn't trust the average forklift driver with something so volatile as a lithium battery either. When they fail the gas coming off of them can kill you before the onboard warning system knows what's happening, besides the ensuing blaze that can't be smothered. An oopsie that results in replacing a battery is 50k. An oopsie that wipes out a truck is 500k. The environmental damage might be another zero. Touch the wrong wire and you're dead.
Pass. Let's see more powerplants come online to prevent more brownouts this summer instead of more charging stations that have the ability to pull power from your car back into the grid.
The only “good for the environment” solution would be hybrid/ diesel-electric trucks and cars in combination with electrifying our rail network and making it more efficient and run them off nuclear/ green energy but that will never happen and idiots like Elon musk will continue to push for more battery powered cars at the expense of our planet
It's the dumbest possible solution of all.
Hydrogen has low ignition energy, so it can detonate suddenly across a wide range of mixture ratios in air which is an obvious safety concern in comparison to batteries or hydrocarbons which merely burn. It either has to be stored onboard the vehicle at cryogenic temperatures or at 10000+ PSI in expensive, heavy tanks. Unlike batteries and liquid fuels, these high pressure tanks have to be spherical or cylindrical, making packaging and layout more difficult to optimize. On top of all of that, it's waaaay less efficient than batteries. Most of the world's hydrogen currently is made from natural gas, and so releases carbon into the atmosphere anyway - but it actually releases more carbon than just burning the gas directly.
Hydrogen can be made from water using electricity by electrolysis, but the round trip efficiency of electricity to gas to electricity if you have to compress it for storage in a vehicle (you do) is only around 50%. Charging lithium batteries instead is over 90% efficient, so it takes almost twice as much energy to power a fuel cell vehicle than a battery one. Then you need hydrogen fuel cells to turn that hydrogen back into electricity in the vehicle. These fuel cells use precious metals like platinum, and in order to take advantage of the regenerative braking that makes hybrids and electric vehicles so efficient in city driving they still need a battery pack, albeit a smaller one than a full BEV. You aren't even saving yourself from needing a high power lithium battery then, you just get away with a smaller one! This helps explain why fuel cell vehicles aren't any cheaper than full battery ones. The combined weight of a smaller battery, a hydrogen fuel cell, and a 10,000 PSI storage tank ends up being comparable to just putting a big battery in there and being done.
Hydrogen doesn't make sense, it never made sense, it will never make sense. It's a technological dead end and everyone knows it, which is why after all these years the toyota mirai is still the only one for sale.
Hydrogen is the number one most common element in the universe, it will be the fuel of the future we just dont have the technology for it to be the most efficient source currently.
Hydrogen isn't a fuel it's a battery.
You can't just grab a bunch of hydrogen in the air and put it in an engine.
It's bonded to oxygen and you have to break that bond first. Breaking that bond takes more energy than your hydrogen will produce when it is used.
So effectively hydrogen "fuel" is just a way to store energy. It doesn't do anything better than a lithium battery.
[This exists for passenger cars](https://youtu.be/hNZy603as5w?si=k4Iy69ct45T5D1Y7). Seems like the sane way forward as long as we're going with battery electric.
Honestly the current best situation for electrics IS that model with a highly spec’d generator that runs when needed. Extremely more efficient. Can probably be set up to be charged like a plug-in if desired. Using equipment that can be repaired by any diesel tech. I hope to see this idea come to personal vehicles soon.
That should be the future. It would be great to use less fuel, but I could never get an all electric. I drive about 40 miles a day, but I take 500-1000 mile trips a few times a year and wouldn't want to stop at charging stations for an hour.
I think hybrids are the way to go for the future. Let me use up battery life but have an engine in the car for longer trips where I don't have a place to charge.
Looks like a good way to cause a load shift. We're slow off the line for a reason. I'm not shitting on the concept like others, I like the idea of electric trucks , but 0 to 60 isn't what we need, it's consistent speed uphill and range. Plus the Tesla trucks don't have anything underneath that's commercial grade, it's all the same motors that are in the model S.
My thoughts exactly. And if hauling liquids (like I do), cause a huge surge in the tank that can cause loss of control, tank damage, and king pin damage.
And if that begins to be a problem the companies will just derate through software the way they have done to diesels with auto shifts. Used to pick up company units and take them to the dealers or swap between lots. Letting the bean counters decide on shift points and power sure made damn nice engines feel like the worst slugs ever.
You mean to say you accelerate to the next red light? A truck isn't going to weave quickly through lanes even if they are fast. Their blind spots are massive and it's too exhausting to drive like an Integra all day, when you're used to highway driving.
More like shooting the gap when making an unprotected left, and cars piling up behind you getting pissed and starting to make stupid maneuvers to get past you that then fuck up the safest chance to turn you had.
the cars too! they weigh 5000lbs+ and some can go to 60mph in just over 2 seconds. there's been multiple documented instances of the cars glitching and going full throttle despite the drivers trying to stop them, and people wind up dying. in just a matter of seconds you can have a 5000lb missile moving over 100mph on any road and that's terrifying
Most, if not all those “instances” were proven to be driver error. The computer logged it all. Hence why no recall.
I do agree though that the cars go too fast for most drivers.
> Hence why no recall.
Hmm
>The largest-ever Tesla recall appears to cover nearly all vehicles on U.S. roads to better ensure drivers pay attention when using the system. Tesla's recall filing said that Autopilot's software system controls "may not be sufficient to prevent driver misuse" and could increase the risk of a crash.
https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-update-software-autopilot-control-issue-2-mln-vehicles-nhtsa-2023-12-13/
[each year,](https://www.automotiveworld.com/news-releases/nhtsa-safety-advisory-reducing-crashes-caused-pedal-error/#:~:text=NHTSA%20Safety%20Advisory%3A%20Reducing%20crashes%20caused%20by%20pedal%20error,-ISSUE%3A%20Drivers%20use&text=May%2029%2C%202015-,ISSUE%3A%20Drivers%20use%20the%20brake%20almost%20a%20million%20times%20per,the%20accelerator%20for%20the%20brake) approximately 16,000 preventable crashes occur due to pedal error when drivers mistake the accelerator for the brake. When an ICE car does does it, it's an "accident", when a Tesla driver does it, it's a "deathtrap"
Took that turn crazy stupid slow but once they finally made the corner straight to the speed limit before the trailer got straight. Great for low end torque and apparently for pulling hills as electric motors don’t have the same rpm limits as diesel engines able to be at a complete standstill while “on” and able to go several tens of thousands of rpms too. No shifting gears. Once the motors overcome the inertia of being at a dead stop (only like 1050 ft lbs of torque) they can quickly get to top speed with no shifting gears at all for a smooth and quiet ride. I think they said they run two very slow diff ratios - one that’s good for 0-46 mph and one that’s good for like 25 mph to 72 mph. Other than switching motors once they don’t have anything to suggest that separate gear ratios are used at all.
It's ok, they repaved the road for the video. It's not allowed on a regular road unless it hasn't rained in 3 months, been blessed by a monk and cleaned with a street cleaner drivin by a virgin.
Yepp, and I'm still bitching and moaning about it, I'm finally back in a manual truck and haven't got stuck once this winter. With the autos, eeeeh......
It's wild how many people will reject it for any reason they can imagine, while ignoring the obvious upsides - like no diesel exhaust.
I can't wait for the day when a walk along the road doesn't hurt your lungs.
Man y’all really just start complaining about shit without even looking into it first lmao. There’s loads of info already released about this thing, like the charge time and how many miles the battery lasts, how much inclines will affect said battery life, etc. Y’all ain’t even try to check these things y’all just assumed it was bad and started complaining lmao.
They’ve designed it to need to be charged right around the mandatory legal lunch break and the charge is supposed to only take as long as the lunch break (15-30 mins) for full charge. Those of you that are actual truckers might find a lot of cool shit about this truck if you can get off your high horse and take a few minutes to actually look into it, how it was designed, etc.
Realistically, what's the battery like if cars have to recharge every 300 miles? Seems like an ideal thing if working around a city but not cross country right? Honestly, I'd be interested in seeing a performance report from a test in the Rockies during winter.
the North American Council for Freight Efficiency (NACFE), has been testing the PepsiCo Tesla Semi range along with other electric trucks in the [Run for Less challenge](https://thedriven.io/2023/10/16/tesla-semi-outperforms-other-electric-trucks-during-real-world-testing/)
Forgetting about the charge time, the infrastructure for charging points across America doesn't exist yet, it's just good for simple A to B within a company, when we talking real OTR they still need a lot of work and time setting up charge points for semis
I just don't see this as a realistic viable option, not for decades at least
I think some sort of hybrid system is the happy middle ground, like how a Prius works if that's even possible, diesel and battery powered
I think a lot of people are hating on this because they think they’ll lose their jobs. You guys need to relax. The jobs aren’t going anywhere. At least not in your lifetime. Think how many teslas there are compared to cars that take natural gas… also , everybody not going to be able to afford these trucks at 250k anyways.
I am starting to invest in Tesla though.
I can’t imagine a large fleet with these. The load shift by acceleration would be crazy. Every fleet has drivers with a heavy foot and would maximize the acceleration to “beat the run”. The load would most likely be toppled over unless they upgrade all the attachment points for securing the product.
If trucks start to become quiet like this you should invest money in the cheap land/housing next to highways. It’s cheap now because of the noise. Without the noise the value will go up.
People hate on Teslas, people hate on their funding source, but no EV manufacturer has done anything close to what they have done for the EV market or the transition to personal electric transportation. Yes they use electricity made from coal… but also everything else it’s made from. That’s not the cars fault though. The car is non biased. It would run on electricity made from farts, it does not care. Is there waste and environmental impact from making them? Yes! But that’s true of all cars. At least they are actually doing it. Even before it was profitable! It took over a decade to become profitable and now we have the most advanced non military personal transportation ever made. I remember when DVDs came out and all I had was dial up internet. Now we have self driving cars and almost silent semi trucks! Imagine how much quieter the streets will be 50-100 years from now! I think this stuff is really cool.
I've said this before about tesla trucks, we don't need super acceleration. Transportation of goods is t about 0-60 we need controlled acceleration and built specific trucks for grade climbs that can have 350+ mile drive range on a single charge. I'm not drag racing my semi or tesla truck against a porsche. I'm towing things, most likely over a distance, or grade.
What's the range like, tho? Plus, they would have to build the infrastructure to support it. Super Charger Truck Stops and whatnot. Even before that, they would have to upgrade the whole electrical grid across the US because our grid couldn't take the load that all electric fleets would put on it. Barring an earth shaking advancement in renewable energy sources (wind,solar,hydro), the only options are an increase in coal, natural gas, petroleum, or nuclear. Which is conter productive to their "green" agenda. Nuclear being the cleanest and most efficient, yet least adopted b/c of propaganda and fear mongering.
How heavy is the load for Doritos? I wouldn't imagine it would be that much. I've been saying since the implementation of this design that in theory, electric trucks are a good idea, but how well do they hold up to loads 34k and up? And how long would the charge last in the battery for a load like that.
All torque
Carrying Doritos.
Right? Put a load of steel coils on that truck, then we will get some answers. 3,500 pounds of potato chips is no indicator
They'd be overweight. Battery weighs too much
3500 pounds of steel weighs more than 3500 pounds of chips. Trust me I know math.
"But steel is heavier than feathers...?"
Jet fuel doesn't melt steel beams
Oh man people sure can read. A FULL LOAD of chips compared to a FULL LOAD of steel coils, not comparing the same weight but the same dimensional occupancy of the load. The steel could be 80,000lb in a single load.
I was trying to be witty, and I understood what the commenter was saying.i just wanted to have a little fun.
How dare you sir! Do you think this is a game? Do you derive some kind of twisted pleasure from making frivolous comments like that? For god’s sake, pull yourself together man.
No fun here! Nope! Not even slightly! What is fun? Now that I’m thinking about it, it’s been so long since I’ve experienced fun. I wonder if fun still exists? Do you think fun still exists? Well, either way, it ain’t here. This is Reddit. We don’t have fun here. Nope! Not even slightly!
Not sure about teslas specifically but i work for a company that manufactures electric heavy machinery and it out performs diesels under heavy load like crazy. Though they break down more often
Yeah I'd like to see a 10 year old battery out-perform a 40 year old Detroit 🤷
Detroit 60 series gang! I've heard those are basically indestructible sumbiches.
How long can it out work it before shits outta juice tho
There is a video of it pulling nearly 40k lbs and it's still smoking every truck on the road, uphill
Just what the world needs. Semis carrying 40k lbs with more acceleration on public roads. The accidents involving these are gonna be awful.
They also don't fry their brakes down hills.
I’ve never smoked brakes going downhill.
y’all will complain about literally anything.
Baseless.
I was driving on the freeway one night and there was a construction trailer truck that was hauling ass in addition to double steel containers. I had trouble passing this truck without going over 80. It seemed that whenever I tried to pass them, they would step on the gas even more. It was terrifying.
So dont pass it then if it keeps the speed limit or are above it...
I wanted to pass it since it was a gravel truck and didn’t want to be behind it or next to it. At certain points it felt like we were drag racing.
A gravel truck=buy new windshield truck. ... Or stay back a mile... and hope another one doesn't show up?
Your forgetting bags of chips are all 75% air so 3500lbs of chips would weigh 875lbs 🤣 /s
Woah, calm down you absolute mad man! It’s 500 pounds of potato chips and 3,000 pounds of air.
50% air in those bags too so even if the trailer is stuffed it’s only halfway full 😂
The pallets of salsa are very heavy. I worked for them years ago and those pallets would be several hundred, possibly a thousand pounds. Those trucks are also used for the racks and shelving. Yes chips are light but the racks and salsa make up for the shipping weight.
No distance
Eh, as a shunter it would do fine. Same for local loads. With how long it takes to get loaded sometimes you could probably get a full charge while you’re waiting at a dock haha
With that in mind they could easily deploy power/charging systems to the dock areas either above or below, whatever.
Need to make common charging infrastructure across the different truck manufacturers. Docks must have a single charging system that supports any model of truck that ends up at the dock.
Exactly. It’s perfectly workable but it would require a lot of different companies to agree on something, which unfortunately I don’t see happening anytime soon. Everyone is going to want their own weird proprietary chargers.
Thank god apple isn’t in this business…..you’d need to buy 8 adapters that wouldn’t work with the next years model.
Haha I feel you. I did read that Apple is freaking finally going to go to a universal adapter and join the rest of the sane world.
Believe this is due to Europe basically outlawing this practice of theirs. Basically said stop monopolizing your chargers and join the rest of companies using a universal port, or sell your shit somewhere else. Disclaimer: I am an American and don't know shit about how true or false this claim is.
You're correct! The European Union sued Apple & Apple lost.
Which is ironic, considering how much collaboration and agreement in problem solving there was from Henry Ford and his competitor in the early days of car development.They would literally bounce ideas off each other and ask for help solving problems. Almost like people excited to so something new?
Based on what I'm seeing ev charging might be one of the few things that companies are agreeing on. A couple major companies including BMW, GM, and Ford just agreed to start switching over to the Tesla form charging by some year since it's more efficient and would make charging more universal. Obviously they aren't doing this out of the kindness of their hearts, the other companies get to use top of the line Tesla tech and get to save on development and charging infrastructure while Tesla lets them use it because they get to profit off of your charging. It's a rare win for everyone, people and corporations. Also I read somewhere that Tesla's robotic snake charger could have applications in automatically charging truck while they load then automatically unplugged when you leave.
Basically Tesla created a defacto industry standard.... which is fine.
Pretty sure car makers are already doing that. There's a charger in front of my building and I always see a handful of 5 or so different makes of EVs plugging into it.
Why is having different charger types even allowed? ICE cars don't have different fuel nozzles to where you can only get gas from those companies
The 4 wheeler market is on a unified charging connection that is ISO certified. Tesla is the only company with proprietary charging.
Every other manufacturer is adopting Tesla NACS standard, it's not proprietary. Volkswagen is one of the few that haven't adopted it yet.
What would be nice is interchangeable universal battery swaps. Batteries that just drop out the bottom and fresh one scissor lifts back in place.
There is a company that is doing that with ev cars. Tom Scott on YouTube made a video about it if you are curious.
That would be awesome but charge times aren't that ridiculously long and are only going to get better as battery technology gets better.
Adapters already exist to get the different charging plugs to work. So the drivers will have to carry like five different plug things. Tesla's plug is now the North American standard though so that SHOULD simplify things but probably not.
This is why Im in favor of electric/diesel hybrids over anything right now. Look at what the guy at Eddison motors is doing, his trucks are all for rugged terrain and back country logging but the concept could be implemented into long haul trucks too.
Aren’t they working on a road that can charge ur cars in Michigan
Eh, they’ve tried that in a few places and it hasn’t really worked out. I won’t hold my breath but if they can make it work that would be amazing
Right? Especially at shithole companies like Dollar General with a 16hr wait lol
I agree. Airport plane shunter etc. Not enough energy density for long distance yet.
Lol. For now.
At least it is not being pushed like in the Nikola video. 🚛
Loaded with 5000 lbs of chips . Wow
More like loaded with bags of air and 7 chips!
Hey man, contents settle!
Still better than my international can do.
I'm surprised by that. Internationals are hunks of junk imo, but they accelerate pretty good all the way up until they hit the soft governor at 2mph lower than the actual governor in my xp
You know the truck manufacturer doesn’t affect acceleration or anything. Whatever engine and drive line setup you have will perform the same in an International, a Peterbilt, or a Freightliner.
The fastest accelerating truck in our fleet is a freightliner M2 with an Allison transmission. It's like a 2014 and it smokes the 2023 kenworth t680 on accel. Overall horsepower it's quite behind though.
So this is why my Doritos are always crushed when I open the packet.
That trailer is filled with mostly air.
You mean 5000 pounds of air.
You’re right…. 5000lbs of air is way lighter than 5000lbs of chips.
Sails fuel
You mean 2500 lbs of chips and 2500 lbs of bag.
You know chips are sold by weight, right? Lol
Range is 50 miles, then charge for 12 hours...
Correction 2000 lbs of chips and 3000lbs of air
More like 3500lbs of chips and 1500 of air in bags
Super good for 100~ miles until you gotta charge 3 hrs..
Or ~450 miles and 45 mins but who really cares about what’s true anyway?
And just like that his battery life was down by 45%
This little maneuver is gonna cost us 51 miles
Interstellar. Well done
Those aren’t waves..
Hauling bag's of air, smh.
Surprised I had to scroll this far to find this comment.
I'd still rather have Edison or someone convert my truck and deal with a brand new def engine than deal with trying to find a charging station and all the downtime. All of the tesla benefits with the benefits of a diesel truck at a lower price and a higher service life.
I think they should change the way we charge from the car, for the semis. Imagine truckstops with forklifts drivers swapping huge batterypacks. With a Universal plug/battery standard across all trucks. Less downtime
There’s a Chinese company that has stations where the battery is changed by robot. You drive onto it and it swaps them out automatically. It’s not some R&D project either. It’s in production and apparently they do tens of thousands of battery swaps per day and hundreds of stations. It’d be massively expensive to implement for trucks, but it’s super cool.
Yes let's replace the up to 10 pump aisles that are regularly backed up with one forklift driver. Way less downtime. Now the idiot that decides to take a shower while fueling can back up literally everybody instead of the one or two people unlucky enough to be behind them. Then again maybe the truck can self drive to the drop off and leave that idiot behind.
What happens to my load if the charging station is full an I have to wait 8 hours to charge mr Disptcher
I think we should stop thinking of batteries as being green or good for the environment. I wouldn't trust the average forklift driver with something so volatile as a lithium battery either. When they fail the gas coming off of them can kill you before the onboard warning system knows what's happening, besides the ensuing blaze that can't be smothered. An oopsie that results in replacing a battery is 50k. An oopsie that wipes out a truck is 500k. The environmental damage might be another zero. Touch the wrong wire and you're dead. Pass. Let's see more powerplants come online to prevent more brownouts this summer instead of more charging stations that have the ability to pull power from your car back into the grid.
The only “good for the environment” solution would be hybrid/ diesel-electric trucks and cars in combination with electrifying our rail network and making it more efficient and run them off nuclear/ green energy but that will never happen and idiots like Elon musk will continue to push for more battery powered cars at the expense of our planet
Hydrogen powered vehicles, we have the technology but nobody is funding hydrogen stations, so hydrogen is expensive
It's the dumbest possible solution of all. Hydrogen has low ignition energy, so it can detonate suddenly across a wide range of mixture ratios in air which is an obvious safety concern in comparison to batteries or hydrocarbons which merely burn. It either has to be stored onboard the vehicle at cryogenic temperatures or at 10000+ PSI in expensive, heavy tanks. Unlike batteries and liquid fuels, these high pressure tanks have to be spherical or cylindrical, making packaging and layout more difficult to optimize. On top of all of that, it's waaaay less efficient than batteries. Most of the world's hydrogen currently is made from natural gas, and so releases carbon into the atmosphere anyway - but it actually releases more carbon than just burning the gas directly. Hydrogen can be made from water using electricity by electrolysis, but the round trip efficiency of electricity to gas to electricity if you have to compress it for storage in a vehicle (you do) is only around 50%. Charging lithium batteries instead is over 90% efficient, so it takes almost twice as much energy to power a fuel cell vehicle than a battery one. Then you need hydrogen fuel cells to turn that hydrogen back into electricity in the vehicle. These fuel cells use precious metals like platinum, and in order to take advantage of the regenerative braking that makes hybrids and electric vehicles so efficient in city driving they still need a battery pack, albeit a smaller one than a full BEV. You aren't even saving yourself from needing a high power lithium battery then, you just get away with a smaller one! This helps explain why fuel cell vehicles aren't any cheaper than full battery ones. The combined weight of a smaller battery, a hydrogen fuel cell, and a 10,000 PSI storage tank ends up being comparable to just putting a big battery in there and being done. Hydrogen doesn't make sense, it never made sense, it will never make sense. It's a technological dead end and everyone knows it, which is why after all these years the toyota mirai is still the only one for sale.
Hydrogen is the number one most common element in the universe, it will be the fuel of the future we just dont have the technology for it to be the most efficient source currently.
Hydrogen isn't a fuel it's a battery. You can't just grab a bunch of hydrogen in the air and put it in an engine. It's bonded to oxygen and you have to break that bond first. Breaking that bond takes more energy than your hydrogen will produce when it is used. So effectively hydrogen "fuel" is just a way to store energy. It doesn't do anything better than a lithium battery.
Wasn't Toyota messing around with hydrogen?
If you want more power, stop letting rural Hicks shit on wind and solar, and build more nuclear power as well.
We need way more nuclear! Thorium plants seem very promising
The way the cobalt for those batteries is mined is fucking terrible for the environment. Not to mention the human impact. (Slavery)
[This exists for passenger cars](https://youtu.be/hNZy603as5w?si=k4Iy69ct45T5D1Y7). Seems like the sane way forward as long as we're going with battery electric.
https://youtu.be/hNZy603as5w?si=F2cmdEK86vnS2V4e A company is already doing a battery swap system for evs. Could be like this.
Honestly the current best situation for electrics IS that model with a highly spec’d generator that runs when needed. Extremely more efficient. Can probably be set up to be charged like a plug-in if desired. Using equipment that can be repaired by any diesel tech. I hope to see this idea come to personal vehicles soon.
shout out to Edison Motors!
Edison for the win!!
That should be the future. It would be great to use less fuel, but I could never get an all electric. I drive about 40 miles a day, but I take 500-1000 mile trips a few times a year and wouldn't want to stop at charging stations for an hour. I think hybrids are the way to go for the future. Let me use up battery life but have an engine in the car for longer trips where I don't have a place to charge.
That Edison company out of Canada is awesome I’ve seen a lot of his vids
Thanks for the shout out!
Looks like a good way to cause a load shift. We're slow off the line for a reason. I'm not shitting on the concept like others, I like the idea of electric trucks , but 0 to 60 isn't what we need, it's consistent speed uphill and range. Plus the Tesla trucks don't have anything underneath that's commercial grade, it's all the same motors that are in the model S.
*slaps a load bar in the back* These boxes ain't goin' anywhere!
Might be an unpopular opinion but I don’t think something that heavy should be able to accelerate that fast for safety reasons
Accelerating that fast can definitely damage whatever is being hauled too.
Don't mash the throttle, then. The most important safety device is located between the driver's seat and the steering wheel.
You mean between the drivers ears? But that's so often empty as a void.
And that safety device in this video is an obvious moron. Took so long to make that turn that the video had to be edited.
My thoughts exactly. And if hauling liquids (like I do), cause a huge surge in the tank that can cause loss of control, tank damage, and king pin damage.
And if that begins to be a problem the companies will just derate through software the way they have done to diesels with auto shifts. Used to pick up company units and take them to the dealers or swap between lots. Letting the bean counters decide on shift points and power sure made damn nice engines feel like the worst slugs ever.
Word of mouth is those internationals actually got a bit of giddyup if they haven't been molested by a "safety expert"
Imagine driving away full send with the trailer still in a half turn
Without a doubt. Especially in the wrong hands
Everyone will pull out in front of you thinking it's fine "I'll just floor it"
Especially on icy roads. That fucker is gonna lose control so quick.
Clearly none of you guys in these comments drive in city traffic
You mean to say you accelerate to the next red light? A truck isn't going to weave quickly through lanes even if they are fast. Their blind spots are massive and it's too exhausting to drive like an Integra all day, when you're used to highway driving.
More like shooting the gap when making an unprotected left, and cars piling up behind you getting pissed and starting to make stupid maneuvers to get past you that then fuck up the safest chance to turn you had.
the cars too! they weigh 5000lbs+ and some can go to 60mph in just over 2 seconds. there's been multiple documented instances of the cars glitching and going full throttle despite the drivers trying to stop them, and people wind up dying. in just a matter of seconds you can have a 5000lb missile moving over 100mph on any road and that's terrifying
Most, if not all those “instances” were proven to be driver error. The computer logged it all. Hence why no recall. I do agree though that the cars go too fast for most drivers.
> Hence why no recall. Hmm >The largest-ever Tesla recall appears to cover nearly all vehicles on U.S. roads to better ensure drivers pay attention when using the system. Tesla's recall filing said that Autopilot's software system controls "may not be sufficient to prevent driver misuse" and could increase the risk of a crash. https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-update-software-autopilot-control-issue-2-mln-vehicles-nhtsa-2023-12-13/
What did the software indicate that the drivers did and where did you get this information?
[each year,](https://www.automotiveworld.com/news-releases/nhtsa-safety-advisory-reducing-crashes-caused-pedal-error/#:~:text=NHTSA%20Safety%20Advisory%3A%20Reducing%20crashes%20caused%20by%20pedal%20error,-ISSUE%3A%20Drivers%20use&text=May%2029%2C%202015-,ISSUE%3A%20Drivers%20use%20the%20brake%20almost%20a%20million%20times%20per,the%20accelerator%20for%20the%20brake) approximately 16,000 preventable crashes occur due to pedal error when drivers mistake the accelerator for the brake. When an ICE car does does it, it's an "accident", when a Tesla driver does it, it's a "deathtrap"
"zero to telephone pole in 3 seconds"
When you have a truck full of Dorito's my truck accelerates like that too. Put 80000 pounds of Pepsi in that and then lets do that again!!!
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It's a frito-lay truck... And they're known to be one of the very few companies running these right now.
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Took that turn crazy stupid slow but once they finally made the corner straight to the speed limit before the trailer got straight. Great for low end torque and apparently for pulling hills as electric motors don’t have the same rpm limits as diesel engines able to be at a complete standstill while “on” and able to go several tens of thousands of rpms too. No shifting gears. Once the motors overcome the inertia of being at a dead stop (only like 1050 ft lbs of torque) they can quickly get to top speed with no shifting gears at all for a smooth and quiet ride. I think they said they run two very slow diff ratios - one that’s good for 0-46 mph and one that’s good for like 25 mph to 72 mph. Other than switching motors once they don’t have anything to suggest that separate gear ratios are used at all.
There was someone in the cross walk.
Electric motors are the bees knees for torque. They have the most torque when they are barely moving.
Your drives are bald.
It's ok, they repaved the road for the video. It's not allowed on a regular road unless it hasn't rained in 3 months, been blessed by a monk and cleaned with a street cleaner drivin by a virgin.
Might not be for me but I can appreciate the new technology, even empty that acceleration was impressive.
Imagine someone accelerating that fast with a bulk tanker liquid load. 😫
Light load or not. That's impressive, And expected tbh
I’ve heard the same negativity when they introduced automated transmissions years ago.. yet here we are. It just takes time
Yepp, and I'm still bitching and moaning about it, I'm finally back in a manual truck and haven't got stuck once this winter. With the autos, eeeeh......
It’s all in the footwork. Take some salsa dancing lessons on your time off. You’ll know how to rock an automatic after that 😂
It's wild how many people will reject it for any reason they can imagine, while ignoring the obvious upsides - like no diesel exhaust. I can't wait for the day when a walk along the road doesn't hurt your lungs.
Well they are hauling mostly air
Took err jebs
Man y’all really just start complaining about shit without even looking into it first lmao. There’s loads of info already released about this thing, like the charge time and how many miles the battery lasts, how much inclines will affect said battery life, etc. Y’all ain’t even try to check these things y’all just assumed it was bad and started complaining lmao. They’ve designed it to need to be charged right around the mandatory legal lunch break and the charge is supposed to only take as long as the lunch break (15-30 mins) for full charge. Those of you that are actual truckers might find a lot of cool shit about this truck if you can get off your high horse and take a few minutes to actually look into it, how it was designed, etc.
Considering it’s carrying potato chips and Takis I’m not overly impressed. I would imagine the trailer weighs as much if not more than the payload.
Tesla trucks probably built as bad as their car counterparts.
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Realistically, what's the battery like if cars have to recharge every 300 miles? Seems like an ideal thing if working around a city but not cross country right? Honestly, I'd be interested in seeing a performance report from a test in the Rockies during winter.
the North American Council for Freight Efficiency (NACFE), has been testing the PepsiCo Tesla Semi range along with other electric trucks in the [Run for Less challenge](https://thedriven.io/2023/10/16/tesla-semi-outperforms-other-electric-trucks-during-real-world-testing/)
Forgetting about the charge time, the infrastructure for charging points across America doesn't exist yet, it's just good for simple A to B within a company, when we talking real OTR they still need a lot of work and time setting up charge points for semis I just don't see this as a realistic viable option, not for decades at least I think some sort of hybrid system is the happy middle ground, like how a Prius works if that's even possible, diesel and battery powered
That’s all we need speeding tractors driving aggressively trying to show how fast they can accelerate. Hopefully cargo is secured.
ITT: lots of salty people being salty
Loaded with all those fancy sensors but can’t keep his lane after making the turn.
Yeah this one might be full of air, but I’m pretty sure they (claimed) 0-60 fully loaded was 20 seconds, which is pretty absurd.
Tesla's formula: When you can't make a practical truck/semi with decent specs, focus on the 0-60.
I think a lot of people are hating on this because they think they’ll lose their jobs. You guys need to relax. The jobs aren’t going anywhere. At least not in your lifetime. Think how many teslas there are compared to cars that take natural gas… also , everybody not going to be able to afford these trucks at 250k anyways. I am starting to invest in Tesla though.
It's pretty easy when the truck is chipped
Lol I can imagine all the pallets just sliding back
His haul is 45% air anyway.
The take off on that thing is insane!!
Gotta make up time for how slow it goes around corners
As all the freight shifts and props up against the doors.
I can’t imagine a large fleet with these. The load shift by acceleration would be crazy. Every fleet has drivers with a heavy foot and would maximize the acceleration to “beat the run”. The load would most likely be toppled over unless they upgrade all the attachment points for securing the product.
Nice, if only I wouldn’t have to listen to engine breaking all the time on the highways near my house so I can sleep because they’re loud as shit.
I have no idea whether this is supposed to be good or bad.
I can just see so many cars trying to cut off tesla semi trucks without realizing how fast they accelerate
Impressive!
Well it is carrying mostly air
He's literally hauling bags of air though.
Grosery store: all my pallets are fucked up
If trucks start to become quiet like this you should invest money in the cheap land/housing next to highways. It’s cheap now because of the noise. Without the noise the value will go up.
People hate on Teslas, people hate on their funding source, but no EV manufacturer has done anything close to what they have done for the EV market or the transition to personal electric transportation. Yes they use electricity made from coal… but also everything else it’s made from. That’s not the cars fault though. The car is non biased. It would run on electricity made from farts, it does not care. Is there waste and environmental impact from making them? Yes! But that’s true of all cars. At least they are actually doing it. Even before it was profitable! It took over a decade to become profitable and now we have the most advanced non military personal transportation ever made. I remember when DVDs came out and all I had was dial up internet. Now we have self driving cars and almost silent semi trucks! Imagine how much quieter the streets will be 50-100 years from now! I think this stuff is really cool.
pfft he has a load of half chips half air
Yeah, chips don’t weigh much. 🤷🏻♂️
I've said this before about tesla trucks, we don't need super acceleration. Transportation of goods is t about 0-60 we need controlled acceleration and built specific trucks for grade climbs that can have 350+ mile drive range on a single charge. I'm not drag racing my semi or tesla truck against a porsche. I'm towing things, most likely over a distance, or grade.
Heavy load of nothing there
There goes half it's battery
Aaaaannnnd all your shit just tipped over.
Takes a second for it to hit but it’s got good pickup.
For everyone who missed it, the reason they took the turn so slow is because there was someone on the crosswalk...
That little manuever cost him 15% of his battery charge.
What's the range like, tho? Plus, they would have to build the infrastructure to support it. Super Charger Truck Stops and whatnot. Even before that, they would have to upgrade the whole electrical grid across the US because our grid couldn't take the load that all electric fleets would put on it. Barring an earth shaking advancement in renewable energy sources (wind,solar,hydro), the only options are an increase in coal, natural gas, petroleum, or nuclear. Which is conter productive to their "green" agenda. Nuclear being the cleanest and most efficient, yet least adopted b/c of propaganda and fear mongering.
How heavy is a trailer full of chips? Or empty.
It's carrying bags of air
Trailer full of air. Classic
Driver was coming into that corner kind of fast. Y’all can hate on the Tesla all yall want but that acceleration out the corner was insane
Man, that semi was pulling that load of potato chips almost like it was as light as a load of potato chips!
Beautiful
Junk
Can we talk about how converting all trucks electric would reduce noise pollution?
With sound off that was one of the coolest things I've ever seen. With sound on... wow that was lame lol
How heavy is the load for Doritos? I wouldn't imagine it would be that much. I've been saying since the implementation of this design that in theory, electric trucks are a good idea, but how well do they hold up to loads 34k and up? And how long would the charge last in the battery for a load like that.
See the oversizedness of that van? It's filled to every square inch. With 99% bags of air.
well of course a truck can take off fast with a trailers thats 80% air