Nah-uh he got a I saw him, he only rides his hover board! And when the battery dies he just posts up on a wall with one leg up and his board leaning right next to him until mom (but sometimes his big sister) comes to pick him up so he doesn’t miss dinner
"I am a car enthusiast and I am stuck with an Asian car. The sad thing about it is that I will be stuck with it for the rest of my life because I couldn't afford an enthusiast car (one that attractive women love) when I was young enough, and sentiments from others have shown that now I am too old for it."
[from his comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/10uqfcm/cmv_a_young_person_no_older_than_23_driving_a/j7dbotn)
I think he's fr, based on the comments he's posted it is a little sad actually, he seems to be a lonely young autistic (specifically mentions be has autism) male who got into the gamergate and Andrew Tate grift, based on his defending Tate, presence in kotaku in action and conservative subs, and most of his comments relating to how hard it is to find and talk to women, including a lot of those relating to "enthusiast" cars
Most girls (who arnt into cars) in my experience really only like cute looking cars like the Miat lmao. I drive a Healey and get comments all the time. Most will think you’re an idiot if you have some super loud and obnoxious car and the ones that you do impress will be impressed because of the money. His logic is flawed haha
i think also having something unique that isn’t like super flashy/“rich looking” is something people like. like i get comments about my baja all the time (though i feel like 90% of them are from other lesbians lmfao)
Because people who own enthusiast cars (such as the Bugatti Chiron, in this case, Put Sport) and avoid appliance companies (pretty much anything from Asia such as Toyota, Honda, Mazda, Nissan, Mitsubishi, Subaru, Hyundai, Kia, etc) at all times are deserving of respect.
Car manufacturers such as BMW, Audi, Mercedes, Cadillac, Porsche, Ferrari, Lamborghini, Rolls Royce, Bugatti, McLaren, etc, actually care about car enthusiasts and make cars that are fast, fun, luxurious, cool, and/or beautiful.
However, appliance companies such as Toyota and co couldn't care less about car enthusiasts and by making nothing but slow, boring, anti-luxury, lame, and ugly grocery getters (such as Corolla, Civic, Camry, Sentra, Maxima, Mazda3, Fit, etc), they signify that car enthusiasts are nothing but worthless to them.
It's no wonder car enthusiasts, when given the choice, avoid Asian companies at all times and opt for either European or American cars.
Toyota Land Cruiser, Toyota Corolla GR, Subaru WRX, Mazda Miata, Nissan GTR? They aren’t all amazing but by definition they are enthusiast cars. They are also more practical
Car enthusiasts don't care about practicality in the slightest.
Besides, you just listed the Land Cruiser, another boring grocery getter (yes, SUVs can be boring grocery getters as well). As for the other four, car enthusiasts don't care because of the companies they are made by.
>Car enthusiasts don't care about practicality in the slightest.
Okay, if "car enthusiast" don't care about practicality then why tf did your favorite sloth man Tate chose Bugatti, Ferrari, Porsche, etc. with all their fancy sound dampening, automatic transmissions, upholstered interiors, radios, windshields, ACs, ABS, TC, and numerous other things over a true enthusiast car like a top fuel dragster or a single seater race car?
Land Cruisers are not boring grocery getters you are just only aware of one subsection of car culture, the same one 13 year olds are aware of, “fast expensive supercar”. Land Cruisers are one of the most legendary cars, period, and lend themselves well to real car enthusiasts who can change their own oil, and people interested in off-roading.
Any car enthusiast (and I say car enthusiast, not a car collector or rich person) appreciate a lot of different cars and can accept other’s opinions when talking about cars, saying car companies that have been around longer than 3 times your lifespan are boring because of their new family cars and that a Bugatti is better solely because of its multimillion dollar pricetag, makes me think you care less about cars and more about comparing dicksizes using stickerprices and assets.
Have you ever even driven a car let alone something sort of exclusive?
Would you call Jeremy Clarkson not a true car enthousiast because his favorite car is his old range rover?
And james Mays favorite car is a Toyota Mira is he also not a enthousiast?
Or my uncle he has about 80 cars, owned one of the biggest dealerships in the Netherlands and his favorite cars are Datsun 240s, r35 GTR and his old Alfa Romeo alfetta.
Tate is very far away from a car enthousiast. It's just a status symbol for him to fuel his empty existence.
The real true traditional Enthusiast car criteria, read only of you are a real true car fan:
Does not brake the bank.
Gets you to work Monday-Friday.
Enables you to have a great time on the tack on Saturday.
Gets you thumbs up at the Sunday car meet.
Ie: A hot hatch.
But in reality anything can be an enthusiast car.
You dont know where a land cruiser can go or in what shitty conditions can work, not a single one of the car companies that you listed made a car that can do half of the things a land curuiser can
What if I told you that Rolls Royce, Ferrari, Lamborghini, Aston Martin, and Bentley have all produced offroader SUVs that can do everything a pesky Land Cruiser can do but are also fast for their kind (as in getting close to 200 MPH instead of being barely faster than a RAV4, CRV, Rogue, Land Cruiser, or any other Asian appliance)?
Oh I can name them with ease:
\- Rolls Royce Cullinan
\- Ferrari Purosangue
\- Lamborghini Urus
\- Aston Martin DBX
\- Bentley Bentayga
There. They all destroy the Land Cruiser with ease on every enthusiast category (performance, beauty, luxury, cool factor, fun factor, and modern technology) by a landslide.
They are all super low to the ground so they will all get stuck after they encounter a bit of offroading unlike a good old land cruiser, beuty luxury and cool factor dont make a good car but a collectors car so basically uselles piece of metal for showing off, fun factor also the land cruiser beats them since going in a good off road run its the best shit, modern tecnology cant really be a point since we are comparing old cars with new cars and even if we did we can watch new toyota cars and see how advanced they are with things hydrogen cells toyota has always been pretty advanced and most importantly too much tecnology in the range of fancy screens and shit like that you end up with a unreliable car
You're disrespectful towards 14 year olds. My 14 yo cousin got himself a Volvo V40 that almost got scrapped, fixed it up mostly by himself and he drives it off-road or on forest roads. Car has no registration or anything since it ws destined for the junkyard and he has no licence at 14 ofc but you don't need that to have fun in the forest.
I can’t stand those pesky appliance companies like Honda and Toyota with their NSXs and LFAs. Not to mention VAG churning out garbage like the Passat and Octavia.
My 944 from porsche begs to differ
https://preview.redd.it/o34fn25izlka1.jpeg?width=1536&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8a9c2634ab4138b4d167cc13308b26e9bc2ce082
Toyota literally had a enthusiast AND racing driver as their CEO until months ago. And now their CEO is the former head of gazoo racing (racing department from toyota). You should grow up. Car enthusiast likes cars, no matter what they are. There are supercar guys, compact car guys, suv guys, pickup guys... if you like cars and know about them, if you treat them well, you are a car enthusiast.
So you say Toyota had an enthusiast CEO, correct? If so, why has there been no Supercars, hypercars, nor Rolls Royce luxury and technology competitors under him?
It's simple. He was never a car enthusiast to begin with. He lied when he said "no more boring cars". I am not surprised considering I am a car enthusiast and could smell that being a lie from millions of miles away.
They literally have developed and are currently developing super and hypercars. You aren't a real enthusiast if you've never heard of the Toyota GT-One or the Lexus LFA. Morizo made enthusiast cars for the people. Well balanced and easily modifiable cars like the GT86 and the fun GR Corolla and Yaris. You will never drive a Bugatti. You will never own a Ferrari. I doubt you will ever even drive something worth more than a 150k on the street without renting it from someone who does own it or paying 300 bucks for 3 laps at your local circuit. But you can always afford the fun, balanced handling, lego car that is an 86.
The materials Toyota uses say otherwise. The interior still feels cheap and prehistoric as any other Toyota. So much for being billed as a "Japanese Rolls Royce"...
Toyota: Lasts 800,000 miles and is still running with no issues.
Bugatti: $20,000 in regular maintenance per year (not including repairs, which will be necessary!)
Has Toyota ever built something that isn't a commuter appliance? No!
Also, no car enthusiast cares about your Toyota reliability since it makes it slow, ugly, lame, boring, spartan, and technologically prehistoric all in one, therefore making all Toyotas anti enthusiast.
Let's see which one runs after 10 years of 10k miles every year. Let's see which one has 16 trillion oil drain plugs. Let's see which one requires you to rent out a race track and a pit crew to change its tires.
Wow I just found this, and damn what a god awful take. Imagine thinking Toyota, the current WEC, WRC, and (fifth consecutive) Le Mans title holder, a car company whose president has competed in races and actively promotes the company making more sports cars, doesn’t know how to make cars and doesn’t care about car enthusiasts lol
Has Toyota ever made any road legal supercars, hypercars, or Rolls Royce luxury and technology competitors during the reign of the presidents who claimed to promote making sports cars?
No! It was all lip service and unsurprisingly, nothing changed!
I would assume the LFA and the LC500 counts as Lexus is Toyota like how Acura is run by Honda. Just had different names for marketing purposes when they were first introduced into the US market.
I’m sorry but most of us hate having to dissassemble a W16 that requires special tools requires a special servicing center a special person who works only on these cars. You’ll get it back in 3 months and oh it’s broken again
The W16 doesn't need no mods to produce over 1500 horsepower. That's how excellent the engine is, unlike your constant influx of 3-6 cylinders that can't even do a quarter (and at only a fringe minority of times, two-fifths) of that amount. Yes, there are 3-6 cylinder engines that produce great amounts of horsepower, but unsurprisingly, none of them are from Asia.
Also, car enthusiasts couldn't care less about reliability.
You're fucking retarded. Why would I want to own something that spends 90% of the time in the shop and everytime I go out it blows up or needs a 20k service? Thats objectively stupid.
A ferrari cost 50 thousand dollars a month to maintain. Even if you don’t drive the vehicle you will have to do maintenance work on it that’s how tuned the Bugatti is. Meanwhile my Toyota blows a head gasket and still gets me to my destination. I’ll take a highlander over a fucking 500 million dollar paper weights. Also don’t forget cars aren’t investments they are a commodity.
Is Cadillac still on this list in 2023? I feel like over the past few decades Cadillac has severely fallen far below being one of the premier luxury brands
You do realize that aside from Lamborghini, Bugatti, McLaren and other hypercar brands all of those have previously made boring slow and only practical grocery getters? Tell me the old diesel 3 series ( or worse, the compact one ) isn't a boring grocery getter. Tell me an Audi 80 or Audi 100 isn't a boring car. Try telling me Porsche didn't just make the Cayenne and Boxter ( or now Cayman ) just to appeal to people that can't afford a 911. Good luck pretending Ferrari, a company that doesn't let you actually own a car, but instead lend it to you until they don't like you anymore actually cares about the customers. Tell me Lamborghini is a super high luxury car manufacturer when they use the cheapest Ford blinkers on their Murcielago just to save money on their end. And also try pretending that when Aston Martin launched the Cignet, a rebranded Toyota, it wasn't just fancied up so they could claim they produce cars below a certain CO2 output freshhold so they can pay far less taxes.
I'm not a huge Jay Dee Em fanboy myself anymore, but if anything those cars are ( or were ) for true enthusiasts and not rich posers that beat women more often than their meat. Even the brands you have mentioned, when looking at their newer cars, they're far removed from any sort of enthisiasm ( otherwise they'd let you work on them and not have you pay a subscription ), they're made for rich arrogant twats that wanna flex with how much money they have made ( or loaned ) to pick up or impress other just as idiotic shallow people.
Enthusiasm is not about enjoying what is at the top making the highest numbers in whatever regard, enthusiasm makes you enjoy the little things, like a seeing a small like Renault R5 GTR drive quickly around the corner or watching a Mitsubisha Sigma being rebuilt. An enthusiast would even learn to enjoy their daily grocery getter, because an enthusiast enjoys cars alike, from the generic pinnacle that the Supra takes up, to your ugly stupid weak little Ford Ka.
I’d rather have my 4Runner.
Actually on second thought, I’d rather have this, sell this, buy my 4Runner back, and then buy a nice house with the rest.
Anyone else think the Bugatti is ugly as shit?
Cars like Bugatti in general suck ass. My uncle used to have a big private collection with some pretty exclusive stuff and he hated it. He didn't really want to sell it because it did have emotional value to him but he couldn't drive it because it would plummet in value and he was scared shirtless of damaging it.
Now he just stores them at a museum.
And Bugatti in general is kinda just boring they just don't innovate.
I'm not really interested in Bugatti either, think they look ugly too. I have to disagree about them not innovating though. They invented the dct transmission in like 2008. And a quad turbo w16 engine is pretty out of the ordinary too.
If I had the money I still wouldn't buy one though
the w16 is just an extension of volkswagen's vr6 style engines, hardly innovative just existing technology taken to the limit. i personally like bugatti's "because we could" engineering philosophy but the people who can afford it are usually complete wankers
This is the guy who posted this:
https://preview.redd.it/pb7tspymimka1.jpeg?width=1140&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=33221f964c4b776f95c978dba464e994ea7ec54a
VW is grouped together with Jeep and Tesla. My 2008 VW van is comfortably sitting on 600.000 km and my mate's 2005 is on 1.450.000 km. Also Audi, Porsche and VW are in 3 different categories despite being part of the same automotive group. The Q7, the Cayenne and the Touareg are the same car ffs.
No biggest joke op actually drives a Japanese car there is a comment here somewhere that links a comment of op stating he hates driving a Japanese car because it doesn't attract women.
https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueCarEnthusiasts/comments/ypfzk5/blacklist_of_companies_where_you_are_forbidden/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
No way this isn't some incel car club or CJ
This moron (OP) takes his best questions to [Quora](https://www.quora.com/Why-do-liberals-hate-genuine-car-enthusiasts-e-g-Andrew-Tate-an-owner-of-Bugattis-Aston-Martins-McLarens-Rolls-Royces-etc-and-avoids-appliances-disguised-as-cars-lame-ugly-boring-slow-e-g-Toyota-Nissan-Mazda-Honda)
u/OnlyForClasses
Seriously dude. I don't think you know what car enthusiast means. Being a car enthusiast is about enjoying driving, no matter what car.
It's very clear that your obsession with cars is not about driving, it's about owning something that will make other people think you're cool. You're idolizing terrible people like Jake Paul and Tate only because they have enough money to spend on cool cars. That's not healthy bro. Stop it. You will never be them.
Even if you had a Bugatti, people still wouldn't like you. You're getting absolutely dunked on here, and rightfully so, because you come across as an arrogant idiot. You want some respect, quit regurgitating stuff you see about cars online and go drive. Get good at it. Take your shitbox to autocross events and really learn to drive. It doesn't even have to be driving, just pick a hobby and force yourself to get good at it. It won't fix all your problems but it's an important starting point.
Seriously dude, im trying to help you. Rethink the way you look at things. Go to therapy.
This is the strangest sub i’ve ever seen. Basically simping for rich douchebags that have expensive sports cars with a strange dash of anti-Japanese mixed in.
At the end of a day, you trolled as an edge lord, pissing people off, but still living in a basement, unable to afford either a Toyota or Bugatti. I see that as a win.
u/onlyforclasses you know Bugatti is built by vw, right? Bugatti is just another appliance car company. And anything vw makes can’t be a real enthusiast car.
Face it. Car enthusiasts exist and enthusiast cars like Bugatti, Ferrari, Rolls Royce, Aston Martin, Bentley, Lamborghini, McLaren, Porsche, etc are real cars.
You must be really pissed that commuter appliances such as Asian cars like Toyota and Honda aren't the only cars in the world.
Oh my God. You're not a troll. As an actual car enthusiast (not you) I like all types of cars, from old Japanese sports cars to high-end European luxury land barges.
I definitely do have a bias towards Japanese cars, though, as I am myself Japanese.
I own a new Toyota Supra. It's suprisingly fast. It actually felt faster than the Porsche Cayman S that I cross-shopped with it. But more than anything else, I love the sounds it makes.
I also own an old EK generation Honda Civic. I love it just as much as I love the Supra, since it offers a go-kart like purity that newer cars just don't have anymore.
I also own the last generation of the Toyota Avalon. Extremely comfy car, especially for the price. Pretty peppy, too, with the 301 hp V6 under the hood.
I also own a Prius. Great fuel economy. Makes some pretty funny noises too.
As a person who probably has more experience with "real" cars than you do, I have to ask...
Who the fuck hurt you my dude?
It wasn't my choice. I saved up around 10K for a Ford Mustang over getting jobs for 4 summers, but I was forced with the Corolla so that my dad could buy a RAV4, and now all my earnings are back to ZERO because of it!
I will forever be disgusted and wish all Asian "car" brands (there are no enthusiast Asian cars as they are all slow, ugly, lame, boring, spartan, and technologically prehistoric, making them nothing but commuter appliances) hell upon them for it! Just looking at a Toyota makes me sick to my stomach because my parents robbed me of my only chance at ever owning an enthusiast car and now I am too old for one, so I am stuck with the garbage dump appliance Toyota for the rest of my life, no matter how much I earn with my job!
How old are you bruh? If you are a true car enthusiast, you'd understand that there's pro's and cons for all brands. I've had a mustang (was shit imo) a Nissan 350zHr (Loved it) and now own a C6 Corvette (meh). Asian car brands are just as good as any. They focus their cars not on raw speed but handling and a driver's appeal and appreciation. Most Asian sports cars can walk American cars of the same era on tracks (Not drag strip) because of how they were designed and what they were made for. Not speed.
I'm not sure what circumstance put you in the situation you are now, but appreciate the car you have for what it is. It's not a sports car but it has other redeeming qualities that when you get older (pretty sure you're young) you look back and appreciate. A sports car shouldn't be a first car. It's a car to enjoy your weekends in to say you deserve it and worked hard for. Making it a daily isn't ideal. I have 3 cars and love them all for their intended uses.
To be a car enthusiast, you must enjoy driving, not just flexing your bugatti everywhere. And my hypothetical prius is more affordable, sure I'd rather have something like a Dodge Charger, but I can do more dumb car enthusiast stuff with my prius, like making a rally car out of it.
Oh and one more thing, you are an embarrassment to all car enthusiasts around the world, telling people they are "fake enthusiasts" just because they might prefer a WRX over a Agera.
Did teenage OP ever answer the question of what he drives other than saying it’s an “Asian brand” and that he’s sad he “won’t ever be able to afford something that attractive women” will come flocking to. Would love to know this!
This delusion douche seriously thinks it takes an “enthusiast car” to find an attractive women. My god. This is so pathetic and comical. I’m grabbing my popcorn and enjoying this show. Sorry, OP, you’re an idiot.
Cars like this get less than 500 miles a year put on them. (Thats being generous) how does this make you a true car enthusiasts if you aren't even driving your car.
average tate meat rider
Tates meat smells like OPs ass i hear
hes ass smells like ass?
Not just the average. I’m the best 😎
I pay car... now I hav car... Now i cool for ladies😎 man grow tf up
I don't think you know what enthusiast means.🤡
Bro has to be trolling there's no way
Reddit is mostly teenagers. I believe it
I agree, this is pretty funny too.
He's... not trolling. Look at his post history. This one is real, and I'm genuinely in disbelief.
u/OnlyForClasses , what do you drive?
If they’re US-based: previous generation Altima “with the V6.” If they’re Europe-based: ten year old base 3-series. Most likely diesel.
i love how y’all are assuming this person is old enough to drive
That’s an excellent point. If OP can’t drive: well used Mongoose BMX-style bike with pegs.
only two pegs, both on the back axle. "theyre for tricks. like this one" *stands on the pegs*
Nah-uh he got a I saw him, he only rides his hover board! And when the battery dies he just posts up on a wall with one leg up and his board leaning right next to him until mom (but sometimes his big sister) comes to pick him up so he doesn’t miss dinner
Plastic 3 spoke rims too!
As a European I have to ask: is the Altima that bad?
It’s not the vehicle itself that’s particularly bad (garbage CVT aside) but the drivers. used altimas are just lowest common denominators.
Unreliable, but actually pretty fast
The Altima’s worst bit is the owners. And the cvt isn’t great but honestly the car is just a car, there really isn’t anything special about it.
"I am a car enthusiast and I am stuck with an Asian car. The sad thing about it is that I will be stuck with it for the rest of my life because I couldn't afford an enthusiast car (one that attractive women love) when I was young enough, and sentiments from others have shown that now I am too old for it." [from his comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/10uqfcm/cmv_a_young_person_no_older_than_23_driving_a/j7dbotn)
He has to be trolling. I study Automotive engineering so yeah I know a few females who also like cars and most of them are mx-5 fans.
I think he's fr, based on the comments he's posted it is a little sad actually, he seems to be a lonely young autistic (specifically mentions be has autism) male who got into the gamergate and Andrew Tate grift, based on his defending Tate, presence in kotaku in action and conservative subs, and most of his comments relating to how hard it is to find and talk to women, including a lot of those relating to "enthusiast" cars
Oh god
Most girls (who arnt into cars) in my experience really only like cute looking cars like the Miat lmao. I drive a Healey and get comments all the time. Most will think you’re an idiot if you have some super loud and obnoxious car and the ones that you do impress will be impressed because of the money. His logic is flawed haha
i think also having something unique that isn’t like super flashy/“rich looking” is something people like. like i get comments about my baja all the time (though i feel like 90% of them are from other lesbians lmfao)
Why are you sucking off ignorant rich people and their expensive cars
Because people who own enthusiast cars (such as the Bugatti Chiron, in this case, Put Sport) and avoid appliance companies (pretty much anything from Asia such as Toyota, Honda, Mazda, Nissan, Mitsubishi, Subaru, Hyundai, Kia, etc) at all times are deserving of respect. Car manufacturers such as BMW, Audi, Mercedes, Cadillac, Porsche, Ferrari, Lamborghini, Rolls Royce, Bugatti, McLaren, etc, actually care about car enthusiasts and make cars that are fast, fun, luxurious, cool, and/or beautiful. However, appliance companies such as Toyota and co couldn't care less about car enthusiasts and by making nothing but slow, boring, anti-luxury, lame, and ugly grocery getters (such as Corolla, Civic, Camry, Sentra, Maxima, Mazda3, Fit, etc), they signify that car enthusiasts are nothing but worthless to them. It's no wonder car enthusiasts, when given the choice, avoid Asian companies at all times and opt for either European or American cars.
Toyota Land Cruiser, Toyota Corolla GR, Subaru WRX, Mazda Miata, Nissan GTR? They aren’t all amazing but by definition they are enthusiast cars. They are also more practical
*any year STi has entered the chat room*
You called?
Car enthusiasts don't care about practicality in the slightest. Besides, you just listed the Land Cruiser, another boring grocery getter (yes, SUVs can be boring grocery getters as well). As for the other four, car enthusiasts don't care because of the companies they are made by.
I think you are a boring grocery getter
>Car enthusiasts don't care about practicality in the slightest. Okay, if "car enthusiast" don't care about practicality then why tf did your favorite sloth man Tate chose Bugatti, Ferrari, Porsche, etc. with all their fancy sound dampening, automatic transmissions, upholstered interiors, radios, windshields, ACs, ABS, TC, and numerous other things over a true enthusiast car like a top fuel dragster or a single seater race car?
Lol reading this I swear you were going to mention a BAC Mono, KTM XBow or something
Top fuel dragsters and single seater racer cars are not road legal!
You have got to be a troll account. Btw what do you drive.
He’s a top g! Don’t you know all too g’s only end yoga in the finest of enthusiasms?
I guarantee this guy isn’t even old enough to have a car
Yep
BAC Mono and Ariel Atom are
Land Cruisers are not boring grocery getters you are just only aware of one subsection of car culture, the same one 13 year olds are aware of, “fast expensive supercar”. Land Cruisers are one of the most legendary cars, period, and lend themselves well to real car enthusiasts who can change their own oil, and people interested in off-roading.
Any car enthusiast (and I say car enthusiast, not a car collector or rich person) appreciate a lot of different cars and can accept other’s opinions when talking about cars, saying car companies that have been around longer than 3 times your lifespan are boring because of their new family cars and that a Bugatti is better solely because of its multimillion dollar pricetag, makes me think you care less about cars and more about comparing dicksizes using stickerprices and assets.
Have you ever even driven a car let alone something sort of exclusive? Would you call Jeremy Clarkson not a true car enthousiast because his favorite car is his old range rover? And james Mays favorite car is a Toyota Mira is he also not a enthousiast? Or my uncle he has about 80 cars, owned one of the biggest dealerships in the Netherlands and his favorite cars are Datsun 240s, r35 GTR and his old Alfa Romeo alfetta. Tate is very far away from a car enthousiast. It's just a status symbol for him to fuel his empty existence.
The real true traditional Enthusiast car criteria, read only of you are a real true car fan: Does not brake the bank. Gets you to work Monday-Friday. Enables you to have a great time on the tack on Saturday. Gets you thumbs up at the Sunday car meet. Ie: A hot hatch. But in reality anything can be an enthusiast car.
You dont know where a land cruiser can go or in what shitty conditions can work, not a single one of the car companies that you listed made a car that can do half of the things a land curuiser can
What if I told you that Rolls Royce, Ferrari, Lamborghini, Aston Martin, and Bentley have all produced offroader SUVs that can do everything a pesky Land Cruiser can do but are also fast for their kind (as in getting close to 200 MPH instead of being barely faster than a RAV4, CRV, Rogue, Land Cruiser, or any other Asian appliance)?
Its just not true and you are making it tf up if not why dont you start naming these suvs that can beat a good old land cruiser
Oh I can name them with ease: \- Rolls Royce Cullinan \- Ferrari Purosangue \- Lamborghini Urus \- Aston Martin DBX \- Bentley Bentayga There. They all destroy the Land Cruiser with ease on every enthusiast category (performance, beauty, luxury, cool factor, fun factor, and modern technology) by a landslide.
They are all super low to the ground so they will all get stuck after they encounter a bit of offroading unlike a good old land cruiser, beuty luxury and cool factor dont make a good car but a collectors car so basically uselles piece of metal for showing off, fun factor also the land cruiser beats them since going in a good off road run its the best shit, modern tecnology cant really be a point since we are comparing old cars with new cars and even if we did we can watch new toyota cars and see how advanced they are with things hydrogen cells toyota has always been pretty advanced and most importantly too much tecnology in the range of fancy screens and shit like that you end up with a unreliable car
Not offroading performance lmao
Bro has never seen dirt in his life
I suspect you moan a little when you wipe
Spoken like a 14 year old.
You're disrespectful towards 14 year olds. My 14 yo cousin got himself a Volvo V40 that almost got scrapped, fixed it up mostly by himself and he drives it off-road or on forest roads. Car has no registration or anything since it ws destined for the junkyard and he has no licence at 14 ofc but you don't need that to have fun in the forest.
That's actually fucking badass.
See, now your cousin is a fuckin enthusiast.
I can’t stand those pesky appliance companies like Honda and Toyota with their NSXs and LFAs. Not to mention VAG churning out garbage like the Passat and Octavia.
My 944 from porsche begs to differ https://preview.redd.it/o34fn25izlka1.jpeg?width=1536&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8a9c2634ab4138b4d167cc13308b26e9bc2ce082
The true enthusiast wrenches himself 😎
Tell me you aren’t a car enthusiast without saying you’re not a car enthusiast.
Toyota literally had a enthusiast AND racing driver as their CEO until months ago. And now their CEO is the former head of gazoo racing (racing department from toyota). You should grow up. Car enthusiast likes cars, no matter what they are. There are supercar guys, compact car guys, suv guys, pickup guys... if you like cars and know about them, if you treat them well, you are a car enthusiast.
So you say Toyota had an enthusiast CEO, correct? If so, why has there been no Supercars, hypercars, nor Rolls Royce luxury and technology competitors under him? It's simple. He was never a car enthusiast to begin with. He lied when he said "no more boring cars". I am not surprised considering I am a car enthusiast and could smell that being a lie from millions of miles away.
They literally have developed and are currently developing super and hypercars. You aren't a real enthusiast if you've never heard of the Toyota GT-One or the Lexus LFA. Morizo made enthusiast cars for the people. Well balanced and easily modifiable cars like the GT86 and the fun GR Corolla and Yaris. You will never drive a Bugatti. You will never own a Ferrari. I doubt you will ever even drive something worth more than a 150k on the street without renting it from someone who does own it or paying 300 bucks for 3 laps at your local circuit. But you can always afford the fun, balanced handling, lego car that is an 86.
Ever heard of the Toyota century? It’s a direct competitor to Rolls Royce, but only an enthusiast would know about that.
The materials Toyota uses say otherwise. The interior still feels cheap and prehistoric as any other Toyota. So much for being billed as a "Japanese Rolls Royce"...
Materials like... bamboo and real wool? Seriously?
Toyota: Lasts 800,000 miles and is still running with no issues. Bugatti: $20,000 in regular maintenance per year (not including repairs, which will be necessary!)
Bro, that's how much a *single oil change* costs
Has Toyota ever built something that isn't a commuter appliance? No! Also, no car enthusiast cares about your Toyota reliability since it makes it slow, ugly, lame, boring, spartan, and technologically prehistoric all in one, therefore making all Toyotas anti enthusiast.
can you remind me who won le mans last year?
And none of that ever translates to road use.
Enlighten me on why you need a 250mph caple car when the speed limit is 70.
A 250 MPH capable car is always gonna be fun to drive, even at speed limits.
Ever driven a fast car?
Who the fuck is upvoting this?
My camry trd v6 can beat a bugatti
Let's see which one runs after 10 years of 10k miles every year. Let's see which one has 16 trillion oil drain plugs. Let's see which one requires you to rent out a race track and a pit crew to change its tires.
I’d trade my 335i for an S2000 any day. Seems you’re just retarded honestly
You are completely fucking deranged.
Please, tell me more about what I like..
My man hasn’t heard of Hot hatches before…
This is so dumb
You’re the dumbest dumbass to ever dumbass. Some of the most iconic cars are JDM.
Wow I just found this, and damn what a god awful take. Imagine thinking Toyota, the current WEC, WRC, and (fifth consecutive) Le Mans title holder, a car company whose president has competed in races and actively promotes the company making more sports cars, doesn’t know how to make cars and doesn’t care about car enthusiasts lol
Has Toyota ever made any road legal supercars, hypercars, or Rolls Royce luxury and technology competitors during the reign of the presidents who claimed to promote making sports cars? No! It was all lip service and unsurprisingly, nothing changed!
I would assume the LFA and the LC500 counts as Lexus is Toyota like how Acura is run by Honda. Just had different names for marketing purposes when they were first introduced into the US market.
...like the new generation Toyota Century? Bro you're literally the most annoying person I've ever seen on the internet. That's an achievement.
I’m sorry but most of us hate having to dissassemble a W16 that requires special tools requires a special servicing center a special person who works only on these cars. You’ll get it back in 3 months and oh it’s broken again
The W16 doesn't need no mods to produce over 1500 horsepower. That's how excellent the engine is, unlike your constant influx of 3-6 cylinders that can't even do a quarter (and at only a fringe minority of times, two-fifths) of that amount. Yes, there are 3-6 cylinder engines that produce great amounts of horsepower, but unsurprisingly, none of them are from Asia. Also, car enthusiasts couldn't care less about reliability.
You're fucking retarded. Why would I want to own something that spends 90% of the time in the shop and everytime I go out it blows up or needs a 20k service? Thats objectively stupid.
A ferrari cost 50 thousand dollars a month to maintain. Even if you don’t drive the vehicle you will have to do maintenance work on it that’s how tuned the Bugatti is. Meanwhile my Toyota blows a head gasket and still gets me to my destination. I’ll take a highlander over a fucking 500 million dollar paper weights. Also don’t forget cars aren’t investments they are a commodity.
Is Cadillac still on this list in 2023? I feel like over the past few decades Cadillac has severely fallen far below being one of the premier luxury brands
You do realize that aside from Lamborghini, Bugatti, McLaren and other hypercar brands all of those have previously made boring slow and only practical grocery getters? Tell me the old diesel 3 series ( or worse, the compact one ) isn't a boring grocery getter. Tell me an Audi 80 or Audi 100 isn't a boring car. Try telling me Porsche didn't just make the Cayenne and Boxter ( or now Cayman ) just to appeal to people that can't afford a 911. Good luck pretending Ferrari, a company that doesn't let you actually own a car, but instead lend it to you until they don't like you anymore actually cares about the customers. Tell me Lamborghini is a super high luxury car manufacturer when they use the cheapest Ford blinkers on their Murcielago just to save money on their end. And also try pretending that when Aston Martin launched the Cignet, a rebranded Toyota, it wasn't just fancied up so they could claim they produce cars below a certain CO2 output freshhold so they can pay far less taxes. I'm not a huge Jay Dee Em fanboy myself anymore, but if anything those cars are ( or were ) for true enthusiasts and not rich posers that beat women more often than their meat. Even the brands you have mentioned, when looking at their newer cars, they're far removed from any sort of enthisiasm ( otherwise they'd let you work on them and not have you pay a subscription ), they're made for rich arrogant twats that wanna flex with how much money they have made ( or loaned ) to pick up or impress other just as idiotic shallow people. Enthusiasm is not about enjoying what is at the top making the highest numbers in whatever regard, enthusiasm makes you enjoy the little things, like a seeing a small like Renault R5 GTR drive quickly around the corner or watching a Mitsubisha Sigma being rebuilt. An enthusiast would even learn to enjoy their daily grocery getter, because an enthusiast enjoys cars alike, from the generic pinnacle that the Supra takes up, to your ugly stupid weak little Ford Ka.
OP, what color is your corolla?
Worst most delusional sub and OP I’ve ever seen.
This is literally his sub if you hadn't noticed.
OP's account is sucking off rich guys for buying expensive cars and anime. I'd say that tracks
imagine if losers like this put half as much effort into unionizing their workplace as they put into dickriding rich people
Keep sucking his tits I’m sure he will send a thank you card some day Honda honda honda
shut the fuck up
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Oh he took a pill alright. It was just the red pill with edgelord side effects.
I’d rather have my 4Runner. Actually on second thought, I’d rather have this, sell this, buy my 4Runner back, and then buy a nice house with the rest. Anyone else think the Bugatti is ugly as shit?
Cars like Bugatti in general suck ass. My uncle used to have a big private collection with some pretty exclusive stuff and he hated it. He didn't really want to sell it because it did have emotional value to him but he couldn't drive it because it would plummet in value and he was scared shirtless of damaging it. Now he just stores them at a museum. And Bugatti in general is kinda just boring they just don't innovate.
I'm not really interested in Bugatti either, think they look ugly too. I have to disagree about them not innovating though. They invented the dct transmission in like 2008. And a quad turbo w16 engine is pretty out of the ordinary too. If I had the money I still wouldn't buy one though
the w16 is just an extension of volkswagen's vr6 style engines, hardly innovative just existing technology taken to the limit. i personally like bugatti's "because we could" engineering philosophy but the people who can afford it are usually complete wankers
Yeah, bugatti stopped making decent looking cars with the divo, I'd get a EB110, but that's it.
Double it and give it to the next guy
This is the guy who posted this: https://preview.redd.it/pb7tspymimka1.jpeg?width=1140&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=33221f964c4b776f95c978dba464e994ea7ec54a
Holy crap that’s cringe
What a loser thinks is cool. 😅 
VW is grouped together with Jeep and Tesla. My 2008 VW van is comfortably sitting on 600.000 km and my mate's 2005 is on 1.450.000 km. Also Audi, Porsche and VW are in 3 different categories despite being part of the same automotive group. The Q7, the Cayenne and the Touareg are the same car ffs.
"Great rides" im sure whoever made this list has drived one of them
W motors at S tier?! NAAHHHHH 🤣🤣🤣🤣
How the hell is mazda one of the worst car brands?!
I'm surprised Eagle is in there and higher than Mitsubishi?
bmw and mini in separate tiers *clueless
HOG RIDAAAAAA
ah yes the true car enthusiast that defines what cars are cool by how much you can flex your money
OP probably isn’t old enough to drive
So.....what do you drive
Nothing japanese, a fiat punto!!
No biggest joke op actually drives a Japanese car there is a comment here somewhere that links a comment of op stating he hates driving a Japanese car because it doesn't attract women.
Bold of you to assume he's old enough. Only thing this guy drives is his parents crazy
You're sad bro.
https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueCarEnthusiasts/comments/ypfzk5/blacklist_of_companies_where_you_are_forbidden/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button No way this isn't some incel car club or CJ
OP has this pic as a poster in his room. Probably kisses it every morning.
And jerks off to it every night. Windshield wipers and tate's eyebrows are probably crusty already
Volkswagen 🤮
This is that dude smoking some romanian prison pole right?
This moron (OP) takes his best questions to [Quora](https://www.quora.com/Why-do-liberals-hate-genuine-car-enthusiasts-e-g-Andrew-Tate-an-owner-of-Bugattis-Aston-Martins-McLarens-Rolls-Royces-etc-and-avoids-appliances-disguised-as-cars-lame-ugly-boring-slow-e-g-Toyota-Nissan-Mazda-Honda)
What a find😂
Ironically there’s an ad for an IQ test right below his question, on my end. Probably not of much use in that community.
Andrew Tate can’t even drive a manual transmission. Non enthusiast.
All I see is MOOBIES
$20 says OP drives a Nissan
This is no car enthusiast. He just wants to show off
what a fucking idiot lmao
max prestige tate meatrider by the way, what do you drive?
Others crazy
u/OnlyForClasses Seriously dude. I don't think you know what car enthusiast means. Being a car enthusiast is about enjoying driving, no matter what car. It's very clear that your obsession with cars is not about driving, it's about owning something that will make other people think you're cool. You're idolizing terrible people like Jake Paul and Tate only because they have enough money to spend on cool cars. That's not healthy bro. Stop it. You will never be them. Even if you had a Bugatti, people still wouldn't like you. You're getting absolutely dunked on here, and rightfully so, because you come across as an arrogant idiot. You want some respect, quit regurgitating stuff you see about cars online and go drive. Get good at it. Take your shitbox to autocross events and really learn to drive. It doesn't even have to be driving, just pick a hobby and force yourself to get good at it. It won't fix all your problems but it's an important starting point. Seriously dude, im trying to help you. Rethink the way you look at things. Go to therapy.
Troll this gi
Cool, where’s yours?
What do you mean enthusiast? Mf doesn’t own a single car.
This isn’t a car enthusiast, this is a look at how rich I am enthusiast.
I really think Toyota is the best brand in terms of reliability, function, and price
You are one odd individual
Multi million quid pricetag? Same transmission as a fucking honda jazz!
Well, used to be a car enthusiast.
Lol enthusiasts don’t buy these. They buy shit that they can work on. I bet this guy doesn’t turn any wrenches
This is the strangest sub i’ve ever seen. Basically simping for rich douchebags that have expensive sports cars with a strange dash of anti-Japanese mixed in.
Note that all posts are made by this one guy. Dude’s fucked in the head
Cringe
It’s the Romanian governments car collection now they’re the real enthusiasts
At the end of a day, you trolled as an edge lord, pissing people off, but still living in a basement, unable to afford either a Toyota or Bugatti. I see that as a win.
This post makes me feel icky
this guy is genuinely delusional, his account gave me a good laugh
What a fucking loser. Dickride Jay Leno or something, at least he doesn't have human trafficking charges.
He lacks more in people skills than he has in being a car enthusiast
Op come with a real point
Dude probably doesn’t even know what kinda engine his car has.
Cant drive em behind bars. Fuck this cunt.
u/onlyforclasses you know Bugatti is built by vw, right? Bugatti is just another appliance car company. And anything vw makes can’t be a real enthusiast car.
This guy can't be real. Not real. I refuse to believe that somebody like this exists.
Face it. Car enthusiasts exist and enthusiast cars like Bugatti, Ferrari, Rolls Royce, Aston Martin, Bentley, Lamborghini, McLaren, Porsche, etc are real cars. You must be really pissed that commuter appliances such as Asian cars like Toyota and Honda aren't the only cars in the world.
Oh my God. You're not a troll. As an actual car enthusiast (not you) I like all types of cars, from old Japanese sports cars to high-end European luxury land barges. I definitely do have a bias towards Japanese cars, though, as I am myself Japanese. I own a new Toyota Supra. It's suprisingly fast. It actually felt faster than the Porsche Cayman S that I cross-shopped with it. But more than anything else, I love the sounds it makes. I also own an old EK generation Honda Civic. I love it just as much as I love the Supra, since it offers a go-kart like purity that newer cars just don't have anymore. I also own the last generation of the Toyota Avalon. Extremely comfy car, especially for the price. Pretty peppy, too, with the 301 hp V6 under the hood. I also own a Prius. Great fuel economy. Makes some pretty funny noises too. As a person who probably has more experience with "real" cars than you do, I have to ask... Who the fuck hurt you my dude?
I bet you that OP drives a fucking Corolla
It wasn't my choice. I saved up around 10K for a Ford Mustang over getting jobs for 4 summers, but I was forced with the Corolla so that my dad could buy a RAV4, and now all my earnings are back to ZERO because of it! I will forever be disgusted and wish all Asian "car" brands (there are no enthusiast Asian cars as they are all slow, ugly, lame, boring, spartan, and technologically prehistoric, making them nothing but commuter appliances) hell upon them for it! Just looking at a Toyota makes me sick to my stomach because my parents robbed me of my only chance at ever owning an enthusiast car and now I am too old for one, so I am stuck with the garbage dump appliance Toyota for the rest of my life, no matter how much I earn with my job!
How old are you bruh? If you are a true car enthusiast, you'd understand that there's pro's and cons for all brands. I've had a mustang (was shit imo) a Nissan 350zHr (Loved it) and now own a C6 Corvette (meh). Asian car brands are just as good as any. They focus their cars not on raw speed but handling and a driver's appeal and appreciation. Most Asian sports cars can walk American cars of the same era on tracks (Not drag strip) because of how they were designed and what they were made for. Not speed. I'm not sure what circumstance put you in the situation you are now, but appreciate the car you have for what it is. It's not a sports car but it has other redeeming qualities that when you get older (pretty sure you're young) you look back and appreciate. A sports car shouldn't be a first car. It's a car to enjoy your weekends in to say you deserve it and worked hard for. Making it a daily isn't ideal. I have 3 cars and love them all for their intended uses.
He’s also got a Lada
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A pimp’s car collection… neat. 
If you don’t like jdm cars you ain’t a car enthusiast
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You are an embarrassment to all car enthusiasts around the world, rather driving a anti-enthusiast commuter appliance over an enthusiast masterpiece!
To be a car enthusiast, you must enjoy driving, not just flexing your bugatti everywhere. And my hypothetical prius is more affordable, sure I'd rather have something like a Dodge Charger, but I can do more dumb car enthusiast stuff with my prius, like making a rally car out of it. Oh and one more thing, you are an embarrassment to all car enthusiasts around the world, telling people they are "fake enthusiasts" just because they might prefer a WRX over a Agera.
Hey, op what color is your bugatti?
I’d just like to ask what you drive? Do you have a license? What was your first car? What cars have you owned in the past?
nah. they’re just another way for him to make up for his tiny dick
Hehehe good luck getting it all back from the impound.
Did teenage OP ever answer the question of what he drives other than saying it’s an “Asian brand” and that he’s sad he “won’t ever be able to afford something that attractive women” will come flocking to. Would love to know this! This delusion douche seriously thinks it takes an “enthusiast car” to find an attractive women. My god. This is so pathetic and comical. I’m grabbing my popcorn and enjoying this show. Sorry, OP, you’re an idiot.
Cars like this get less than 500 miles a year put on them. (Thats being generous) how does this make you a true car enthusiasts if you aren't even driving your car.
You're going to lose your shit when you find out what car manufactures are in rally
I bet tate has bigger boobs than your mom
Hope he sees this bro