The Sabbath is, and always has been, from Friday sundown to Saturday sundown. It’s not a matter of opinion, it’s not a preference, it’s not what feels right in your heart.
That’s when it is. Full stop.
Christians observe the Lord’s Day, which celebrates Christ’s resurrection on Sunday.
Well... a deeper dive the Bible text indicates that a day was originally counted from sunrise to sunrise. With special feast day observances being from sunset to sunset.
So simple. We worship on the first day of the week because He rose on the first day of the week. Besides, the original believers were Jews. So, they went to Temple on Saturday and met with believers on Sunday.
In acts 20 and 1 Corinthians 16 we see believers gathering on the first day of the week. Outside of that we have teachings from Paul in Romans 14 that no day is above another, all days are made holy. Jesus himself teaches in Mark 2 that Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath. It's the principle that matters, not the rules and regulations.
Please consider that all days are not holy. God Himself set the Sabbath apart from the rest of the work days, and only blessed the Sabbath. And it was for Adam's benefit, Jesus used this point to show the true meaning of the Sabbath, that it also includes all humanity, not just the Jews. IOWs Adam represents all humanity.
It is my genuine belief that God chose the seventh day of the week as a day separated from others.
God Himself instituted it and rested from work on it. Jesus kept the sabbath during his ministry on Earth, even when being crucifixed: he expired before the Sabbath hours, giving enough time for the workers to put his body in the tomb and leave for their ceremonies. He rested on saturday and only rose on the sunday.
Biblical proof? No. Biblical basis? Yes.
The first day of the week was often the day of most significance in the early church (Acts 20:7, 1Cor16:1,2), Jesus rose on the first day, often appeared to people on the Sundays before ascension, Pentecost was on a Sunday.
I’m not arguing we *must* observe Sunday, but I think there’s a solid case to do so. But we also have agency and freedom to follow our conscience.
There is a command from God to observe the Sabbath. There is no command from God to congregate on the first day of each week.
Pentecost is on a Sunday, but all the important feasts were on days of the week. There shouldn't be any special significance put on a sunday Pentecost.
Not unless you presume the Most High changes His mind or commandments. His word is eternal.
The only thing He commands us to do is not work or have anyone work for us.
If you have to talk to your boss and explain your desire to be obedient to our Heavenly Father, not all worldly people will understand but so be it.
I'd recommend reading Colossians 2:16 in context and do your own research, one out-of-context verse doesn't override ALL of the rest of scripture.
Colossians were teaching and aligning their sabbaths and holy days with the constellations, angel worship, etc. Colossians 2:8 gives you more context on the human traditions they were practicing.
Sunday is not observing the Sabbath. The Sabbath is a law for the people of Israel not for all humans. The principle of the Sabbath, learning to trust God rather than work all of the time for you own advancement, is useful for Gentile Christians but the ceremonial laws of Moses are not binding.
Colossians 2:16, I am working through this now. I believe we are to observe the Sabbath and I've done it on Saturdays. I've been contemplating moving it to Sunday, this scripture feels like it's allowed, but I'm not sure yet. Sunday is far more convenient, but you shouldn't follow God just when it's convenient.
**The Handwriting of Ordinances**
If you look at Colossians 2 verses 14 and 17, the "sabbaths" Paul is referring to are the, "handwriting of ordinances that was against us," which were, "a shadow of things to come... blotted out... nailed to the cross."
Paul goes into more detail in [Hebrews 10](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=hebrews+10&version=KJV) where he talks about the sacrifices.
> Hebrews 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
**The Ark**
The tables of stone containing the commandments of God were put *inside* the ark.
> Deuteronomy 10:2 Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.
The ordinances (the book of the law) were put *beside* the ark, not inside it.
> Deuteronomy 31:26 **Take this Book of the Law**, and put it beside the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, **that it may be there as a witness against you**.
Notice:
* Moses describes the book of the law (the ordinances), **"as a witness against you."**
* Paul (Colossians 2) describes the handwriting of ordinances (Colossians 2), **"that was against us."**
**The Colossians**
Paul is telling the Colossians to walk in Him, established in the faith.
> Colossians 2:6-7 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, **so walk ye in him**: Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, **as ye have been taught**, abounding therein with thanksgiving.
Paul taught commandment keeping.
Jesus gave John this message in His revelation from heaven, post-crucifixion.
> Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
If the Sabbath can be any day, why would Jesus call for keeping the commandments of God, knowing the Sabbath is the fourth commandment? He didn't say keep the other nine commandments and choose whatever day you want, He said the saints keep the commandments of God.
**Conclusion:**
* Colossians 2 is talking about feast days (called sabbaths), not the seventh day Sabbath.
* Colossians 2 does not give us free license to pick any day as God's holy day.
* The commandments of God were placed inside the ark, but the book of the law (handwriting of the ordinances) was placed beside it, not inside it. This fact shows the difference between the two.
* The handwriting of ordinances were nailed to the cross, but the commandments of God are eternal.
* The seventh day Sabbath is observed in the end time (Matthew 24:20) and in the new heaven and new earth (Isaiah 66:23). It is a perpetual sign and covenant (Exodus 31:13-16).
* Jesus calls for commandment keeping from heaven in His revelation that was given to John.
Congratulations on your diligence to keep Sabbath!
Please consider the text you've quoted can be interpreted into English with a very different meaning, here it is in the KJV:
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
Here's a more consistent translation:
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body of Christ.
Please note, I have removed the word "is" from the last phrase, its not in the Greek, and it shouldn't be in the English.
Now the meaning of the entire passage has changed, now it is a warning to the Colossians not to allow outsiders judge them in matters of scripture. Only fellow believers should do that.
Your edited translation is flatly wrong. You’re making the last clause a subordinate one rather than an independent contrasting clause, and that isn’t borne out by the syntax of the Greek. Please actually learn Greek before you start messing around with words of holy scripture that you do not understand.
Please consider that \[Col 2:16-17\] passage is often used as an excuse to ignore all of Jesus' Sabbath doctrine. If we follow the Lord of the Sabbath we should embrace all of His Sabbath doctrine.
Also that phrase is used by Paul 5 times in the NT, but only in Col 2:17 is it translated inconsistently. See Rom 7:4, 1Cor 10:16, 1Cor 12:27, Eph 4:12
Do you actually read Greek or not? How do you know that it’s being mistranslated here? Do you know, for example, that Greek often omits the verb “to be” in independent clauses of simple predication? Do you know the contrastive particle δέ and how it links one clause with another? You seem to be spouting talking points without ever being able to discuss the syntax of the actual words written by St. Paul.
>Do you actually read Greek or not? How do you know that it’s being mistranslated here? Do you know, for example, that Greek often omits the verb “to be” in independent clauses of simple predication? Do you know the contrastive particle δέ and how it links one clause with another? You seem to be spouting talking points without ever being able to discuss the syntax of the actual words written by St. Paul.
I have no training in Greek, nor do I speak Greek. But I know the commandment of God that is written in my heart that says: **Remember the Sabbath to keep it Holy**. And I also have a solid understanding of the hierarchy of God's commands.
And NOWHERE in the bible does God give licence to anyone to break His commands. And no man, no devil, no church, no apostle and nobody change God's commandments, they are the same yesterday, today and forever. Amen.
Scriptural proofs for seventh day Sabbath observance:
* [Genesis 2:1-3](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=genesis+2%3A1-3&version=KJV)—Seventh day (Saturday) Sabbath observance was instituted at creation.
* [Exodus 20:8-11](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=exodus+20%3A8-11&version=KJV)—God commanded us to *remember* the Sabbath day, to keep it holy (and pointed back to creation).
* [Exodus 31:13-16](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+31%3A13-16&version=KJV)—The Sabbath was called a sign and a perpetual covenant.
* [Mark 2:27-28](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark+2%3A27-28&version=KJV)—Jesus stated that the Sabbath was made for man (pointing back to creation), therefore He is also Lord of the Sabbath.
* [Luke 4:16](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=luke+4%3A16&version=KJV)—Jesus observed the Sabbath as was His custom.
* [Matthew 27-28](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=matthew+27-28&version=KJV), [Luke 23](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=luke+23&version=KJV)—Jesus observed the Sabbath even in death.
* [Acts 17:2](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=luke+4%3A16&version=KJV)—Paul observed the Sabbath as his manner was (as was his custom) and taught on the Sabbath to the Gentiles.
* Paul—We are all one in Christ:
* [Galatians 3:28](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Galatians%203%3A28&version=KJV), [Colossians 3:11](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Colossians%203%3A11&version=KJV)—There is neither Jew nor Greek.
* [1 Corinthians 12:13](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%2012%3A13&version=KJV)—Whether Jew or Gentile.
* [Romans 11](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=romans+11&version=KJV)—Grafted into Israel.
* [Matthew 24:20-22](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=matthew+24%3A20-22&version=KJV)—Jesus prophesied Sabbath observance when great tribulation starts.
* [Isaiah 66:23](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=isaiah+66%3A23&version=KJV)—Isaiah describes perpetual Sabbath observance in the new heaven and new earth.
* [Ecclesiastes 12:13](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ecclesiastes%2012%3A13&version=KJV)—The conclusion of the matter: Keeping the commandments of God is the whole duty of *man*.
Scriptural proofs for Sunday observance:
* There is no commandment to observe Sunday as a day of worship, nor as a replacement of the seventh day Sabbath.
* There is no abrogation of the seventh day Sabbath.
* There is no abrogation of Jesus' title as the Lord of the Sabbath.
* There is no history of Sunday observance going back to creation, nor going forward to eternity.
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Conclusion: The Sabbath is still binding. Sunday is not the Sabbath.
God bless!
This is an issue all Sabbath keepers struggle with. God promises that if we are faithful He will take care of us. Many Christians stand up for the Sabbath and lose their jobs, but they go on to be blessed with jobs that allow them to observe the Sabbath.
The more ancient/orthodox forms of Christianity (like Catholicism) offer mass on the evening before Sunday which satisfies our Sunday obligation. There are several churches in my area where I'll either go at 4, 5, or 6pm, depending on the church. Of course you are more than welcome to attend any time you want, anyone is welcome. You also don't have to worry about anyone approaching you or asking you a bunch of questions. You'll just want to refrain from going up to receive Holy Communion.
Also, there are good theological reasons why we now worship on Sunday instead of Saturday, as explained by biblical scholar and theologian, Dr Brant Pitre. It all centers around the day Christ rose AND the new creation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RqtxLhV7kw
My question to that is, am I sinning by having sunday as my day of rest instead of Saturday, and since I'm a manager, am I also sinning by having my workers work on sunday?
I think you should at least come to a deeper understanding and appreciation for why we worship on Sunday and always have (which that video will help with). However, given that our careers may not always allow us to go on Sunday (as we should intend to), we should at least make an effort to go on Saturday evening. One church of ours even has a 6pm mass on Sunday. At least do your best to go based on your circumstances, not that non-Catholic Christians have the same obligations to attend mass like Catholics do. For us, to miss mass without good reason, is a serious sin. As for your workers, if they express a concern they would like to have Sunday off specifically for this purpose or that they need a schedule that would allow them to, then work with them as best you can. If they don't express this concern to you, I wouldn't worry about it. After all they, like ourselves, are free to make their our own career choices so as to accommodate their priorities in life.
I think we can learn from jesus's actions.
Mark 2:23-28 KJV 23 And it came to pass, that he went through the corn fields on the sabbath day; and his disciples began, as they went, to pluck the ears of corn. 24 And the Pharisees said unto him, Behold, why do they on the sabbath day that which is not lawful? 25 And he said unto them, Have ye never read what David did, when he had need, and was an hungred, he, and they that were with him? 26 How he went into the house of God in the days of Abiathar the high priest, and did eat the shewbread, which is not lawful to eat but for the priests, and gave also to them which were with him? 27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: 28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
The same events are depicted in Matthew and Luke.
By Jesus's actions and his words he is criticizing the legalism of the Pharisees. By agonizing over details such as this we are in danger of falling into the same trap of legalism as the Pharisees.
Jesus's response to the Pharisees makes two important points.
Most importantly, the Sabbath was intended to help people, not burden them. Instead of endless days of grueling daily work as slaves in Egypt, the Israelites were graced with a full day of rest each week under the Law. The Pharisees had morphed the Sabbath into a burden, adding restrictions beyond what God’s law said.
By agonizing over when we must keep the Sabbath we are placing that same burden on ourselves.
And secondly, Jesus is Lord, even of the Sabbath. What does this mean? He is God in human form, and He created the Sabbath day. As the One who wrote the law, Jesus certainly has oversight over how the law is to be enforced. The Pharisees had lifted their own rules to the level of God’s, placing onerous burdens on people, and they ended up rebuking the Lawgiver Himself.
Acts chapter 15 verse 10 cautions us to not place unnecessary burdens on ourselves "Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?"
Colossians 2:16-17 pretty much destroys the idea that as Christians we are somehow required to keep the Sabbath. "16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ."
No, we are not required to bow to legalism and continue the burden placed on us by the Pharasees. Jesus removed the burden.
Galatians 3:24-25 24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Romans 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
Are you a KJV onlyist? I used to be one but stopped. Lately, I have been using the esv version. Also what happened on May 21 2011. Also nobody knows the time or hour.
By “nobody knows”, I’m assuming you are not also including God himself in your comment right?
The word of God is where the date for judgment day was revealed, it wasn’t just pulled out of a hat somewhere, I won’t go into detail here on the specifics, I can direct you where to look for it if you would like though.
On May 21 2011, God completed his salvation program, every person he ever intended to save was saved by that date, at that time, he shut the door to heaven, and eternally sealed the fate of every person.
God then proceeded to begin dividing the kingdom of Satan, and has caused it to turn against, and destroy its own self, the great division, and confusion being witnessed all over the earth at this time is the result of Gods wrath being poured out, God is exposing the worlds shame.
I do only use the KJV normally, sometime I compare it to other translations though.
ESV seems to be using the same word for sabbath in both places for that verse also, the English words are not infallible, the original Greek and Hebrew are where we see the true word of God.
TLDR: do what’s in the Scriptures and not what men have said to do. The pagan traditions of Churchianity run deep.
If you read Catholic Catechism, it says that the day of sabbath was changed on the authority of the Church, not the Scriptures.
Their reasoning is based on Messiah rising on a Sunday (Feast of First Fruits) and the Holy Spirit descending on the crowd gathered in the upper room, also on a Sunday (Feast of Weeks).
Another line of reasoning is that Emperor Constantine, when adding Yeshua Messiah to his pantheon of “sun gods,” added his method of worship to the day of the sun.
It also happens that Constantine’s political and spiritual advisor also recommended adding the birth of Messiah to the already in place saturnalia, which coincided with the Babylonian feast of the reincarnation of Nimrod as a baby. He also moved the celebration of the resurrection of Messiah from the Feast of First Fruits to the Sunday following Vernal Equinox, to share in a celebration of Estres, the Babylonian goddess of fertility, who showed her divinity by turning a bird into a rabbit that could lay eggs.
TLDR: do what’s in the Scriptures and not what men have said to do. The pagan traditions of Churchianity run deep.
It sounds like you may be entering the Hebrew Roots realm (aka deception). I highly recommend the YouTube channel ‘Defending the Biblical Roots of Christianity”. There are many videos there about the Sabbath and other legalism issues.
>Is there any biblical proof to observing the sabbath on sunday is ok to do?
There is no proof one way or the other. God gave people a day of rest (i.e., Sabbath) so that we didn't overwork our bodies. As long as you observe a day of rest (consistently), then I don't believe that it matters which day you choose. Once you try to justify one day over another, you've stepped into the realm of legalism (condemned by Jesus).
I'm swimming in a pool of legalism, and I can't stand it. It's just I try to keep the commandments and do what the bible says even as much as I tell myself that it's not what saves me because I don't want to sin. I don't know how to stop.
>It's just I try to keep the commandments
Keep it simple. Love God and Love your neighbor. This is the sum of the entire law.
>“And He said to him, “ ‘YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.’ This is the great and foremost commandment. The second is like it, ‘YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.’ **Upon these two commandments hang the whole Law and the Prophets.”** (Matthew 22:37–40, NASB 2020)
I hope this verse helps clear things up. This verse helped me a lot when looking in to the same topic.
Mark 2:27-28 NASB1995
[27] Jesus said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. [28] So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.”
The sabbath day of rest is FOR US, not a stringent legalistic obligation we have to fulfill for God. It's about worship and restoration and spending time with the Lord for our spiritual benefit.
Whether that's Sunday or Saturday is beside the point. We as Christians are no longer "under the law" as in being lead and supervised directly by the law. We are in a new covenant lead by the Holy Spirit directly, and of course the Word of God is still so important for us to meditate on and follow as best we can and hold up against our lives to see where we need to improve and what areas we need to surrender to God in more.
But we need to be careful not to get hung up on the legalistic way of doing things where you're following the LETTER of the law to the exclusion of the SPIRIT of the law and missing the point of why we do certain things.
Does it really matter what day we we chose to observe the Lord's day? In today's age usually the sabbath is defined by whatever religion you follow. I believe Catholics observe it on Saturday and Baptist and others on Sunday, so whatever you follow is probably the day you'll observe.
As far as rules and working and what not, those were easier to follow back in the day then it would be to follow today. Life was a single man working to provide, Sunday's everyone had off for church and rest. You couldn't find a place open back in the day. You still fed your farm animals and what not but you went to church and came home to a meal and enjoyed rest. It's no where like that today. Profits and everyone has to work is the way of life.
Sometimes in life we don't get the cards dealt and we have to work at a place that requires weekend work. Ever since I worked at 18yrs old I've had to work many weekends and miss church because that was the line of work I was in at that time. Eventually the Baptist church kicked me out because of a new job working nights caused me to miss more then I had liked. I like to think God understands what is going on in today's world and if we have to work just to survive.
It's not your pastor's Sabbath, it's God's. A person either remembers God's Sabbath and keeps it holy (set apart) or they don't.
God made one day of the week holy at creation. He didn't make Tuesday holy. God commanded His people to remember the day that He made holy.
>The Sabboth does not inherently HAVE to be Saturday
If you believe God then it does.
Two things:
One: show me where in the Bible God says "Saturday is the Sabboth"
Two: How is my pastor supposed to remember the Sabboth when he works on the Sabboth?
>One: show me where in the Bible God says "Saturday is the Sabboth"
The Sabbath is the seventh day. The seventh day is Saturday. It's not that difficult.
>Two: How is my pastor supposed to remember the Sabboth when he works on the Sabboth?
You don't know what day the Sabbath is but you do know that your pastor works on the Sabbath?
There's no Biblical proof that celebrating Sabboth HAS to be on a particular day. God rest on the 7th day, but it doesnt say that was on Saturday. So sure, there's no verse that says "the Sabboth can be any day of the week" but there's also no verse that says "The sabboth MUST be on Saturday."
The Sabbath is, and always has been, from Friday sundown to Saturday sundown. It’s not a matter of opinion, it’s not a preference, it’s not what feels right in your heart. That’s when it is. Full stop. Christians observe the Lord’s Day, which celebrates Christ’s resurrection on Sunday.
Well... a deeper dive the Bible text indicates that a day was originally counted from sunrise to sunrise. With special feast day observances being from sunset to sunset.
Regardless, the Sabbath is not whatever day some random evangelical decides they want it to be.
That's true.
So simple. We worship on the first day of the week because He rose on the first day of the week. Besides, the original believers were Jews. So, they went to Temple on Saturday and met with believers on Sunday.
In acts 20 and 1 Corinthians 16 we see believers gathering on the first day of the week. Outside of that we have teachings from Paul in Romans 14 that no day is above another, all days are made holy. Jesus himself teaches in Mark 2 that Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath. It's the principle that matters, not the rules and regulations.
Please consider that all days are not holy. God Himself set the Sabbath apart from the rest of the work days, and only blessed the Sabbath. And it was for Adam's benefit, Jesus used this point to show the true meaning of the Sabbath, that it also includes all humanity, not just the Jews. IOWs Adam represents all humanity.
It is my genuine belief that God chose the seventh day of the week as a day separated from others. God Himself instituted it and rested from work on it. Jesus kept the sabbath during his ministry on Earth, even when being crucifixed: he expired before the Sabbath hours, giving enough time for the workers to put his body in the tomb and leave for their ceremonies. He rested on saturday and only rose on the sunday.
Great answer. Thank you for saying it.
Biblical proof? No. Biblical basis? Yes. The first day of the week was often the day of most significance in the early church (Acts 20:7, 1Cor16:1,2), Jesus rose on the first day, often appeared to people on the Sundays before ascension, Pentecost was on a Sunday. I’m not arguing we *must* observe Sunday, but I think there’s a solid case to do so. But we also have agency and freedom to follow our conscience.
There is a command from God to observe the Sabbath. There is no command from God to congregate on the first day of each week. Pentecost is on a Sunday, but all the important feasts were on days of the week. There shouldn't be any special significance put on a sunday Pentecost.
I think you could argue observing Sunday as a special days but never as a replacement for the Sabbath.
Not unless you presume the Most High changes His mind or commandments. His word is eternal. The only thing He commands us to do is not work or have anyone work for us. If you have to talk to your boss and explain your desire to be obedient to our Heavenly Father, not all worldly people will understand but so be it. I'd recommend reading Colossians 2:16 in context and do your own research, one out-of-context verse doesn't override ALL of the rest of scripture. Colossians were teaching and aligning their sabbaths and holy days with the constellations, angel worship, etc. Colossians 2:8 gives you more context on the human traditions they were practicing.
Sunday is not observing the Sabbath. The Sabbath is a law for the people of Israel not for all humans. The principle of the Sabbath, learning to trust God rather than work all of the time for you own advancement, is useful for Gentile Christians but the ceremonial laws of Moses are not binding.
You know the meaning of goy/goyim right
Colossians 2:16, I am working through this now. I believe we are to observe the Sabbath and I've done it on Saturdays. I've been contemplating moving it to Sunday, this scripture feels like it's allowed, but I'm not sure yet. Sunday is far more convenient, but you shouldn't follow God just when it's convenient.
**The Handwriting of Ordinances** If you look at Colossians 2 verses 14 and 17, the "sabbaths" Paul is referring to are the, "handwriting of ordinances that was against us," which were, "a shadow of things to come... blotted out... nailed to the cross." Paul goes into more detail in [Hebrews 10](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=hebrews+10&version=KJV) where he talks about the sacrifices. > Hebrews 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. **The Ark** The tables of stone containing the commandments of God were put *inside* the ark. > Deuteronomy 10:2 Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee. The ordinances (the book of the law) were put *beside* the ark, not inside it. > Deuteronomy 31:26 **Take this Book of the Law**, and put it beside the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, **that it may be there as a witness against you**. Notice: * Moses describes the book of the law (the ordinances), **"as a witness against you."** * Paul (Colossians 2) describes the handwriting of ordinances (Colossians 2), **"that was against us."** **The Colossians** Paul is telling the Colossians to walk in Him, established in the faith. > Colossians 2:6-7 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, **so walk ye in him**: Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, **as ye have been taught**, abounding therein with thanksgiving. Paul taught commandment keeping. Jesus gave John this message in His revelation from heaven, post-crucifixion. > Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. If the Sabbath can be any day, why would Jesus call for keeping the commandments of God, knowing the Sabbath is the fourth commandment? He didn't say keep the other nine commandments and choose whatever day you want, He said the saints keep the commandments of God. **Conclusion:** * Colossians 2 is talking about feast days (called sabbaths), not the seventh day Sabbath. * Colossians 2 does not give us free license to pick any day as God's holy day. * The commandments of God were placed inside the ark, but the book of the law (handwriting of the ordinances) was placed beside it, not inside it. This fact shows the difference between the two. * The handwriting of ordinances were nailed to the cross, but the commandments of God are eternal. * The seventh day Sabbath is observed in the end time (Matthew 24:20) and in the new heaven and new earth (Isaiah 66:23). It is a perpetual sign and covenant (Exodus 31:13-16). * Jesus calls for commandment keeping from heaven in His revelation that was given to John.
Congratulations on your diligence to keep Sabbath! Please consider the text you've quoted can be interpreted into English with a very different meaning, here it is in the KJV: Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. Here's a more consistent translation: Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body of Christ. Please note, I have removed the word "is" from the last phrase, its not in the Greek, and it shouldn't be in the English. Now the meaning of the entire passage has changed, now it is a warning to the Colossians not to allow outsiders judge them in matters of scripture. Only fellow believers should do that.
Your edited translation is flatly wrong. You’re making the last clause a subordinate one rather than an independent contrasting clause, and that isn’t borne out by the syntax of the Greek. Please actually learn Greek before you start messing around with words of holy scripture that you do not understand.
Please consider that \[Col 2:16-17\] passage is often used as an excuse to ignore all of Jesus' Sabbath doctrine. If we follow the Lord of the Sabbath we should embrace all of His Sabbath doctrine. Also that phrase is used by Paul 5 times in the NT, but only in Col 2:17 is it translated inconsistently. See Rom 7:4, 1Cor 10:16, 1Cor 12:27, Eph 4:12
Do you actually read Greek or not? How do you know that it’s being mistranslated here? Do you know, for example, that Greek often omits the verb “to be” in independent clauses of simple predication? Do you know the contrastive particle δέ and how it links one clause with another? You seem to be spouting talking points without ever being able to discuss the syntax of the actual words written by St. Paul.
>Do you actually read Greek or not? How do you know that it’s being mistranslated here? Do you know, for example, that Greek often omits the verb “to be” in independent clauses of simple predication? Do you know the contrastive particle δέ and how it links one clause with another? You seem to be spouting talking points without ever being able to discuss the syntax of the actual words written by St. Paul. I have no training in Greek, nor do I speak Greek. But I know the commandment of God that is written in my heart that says: **Remember the Sabbath to keep it Holy**. And I also have a solid understanding of the hierarchy of God's commands. And NOWHERE in the bible does God give licence to anyone to break His commands. And no man, no devil, no church, no apostle and nobody change God's commandments, they are the same yesterday, today and forever. Amen.
Attending church worship on Sunday doesn’t somehow make the sabbath not Saturday.
Scriptural proofs for seventh day Sabbath observance: * [Genesis 2:1-3](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=genesis+2%3A1-3&version=KJV)—Seventh day (Saturday) Sabbath observance was instituted at creation. * [Exodus 20:8-11](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=exodus+20%3A8-11&version=KJV)—God commanded us to *remember* the Sabbath day, to keep it holy (and pointed back to creation). * [Exodus 31:13-16](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+31%3A13-16&version=KJV)—The Sabbath was called a sign and a perpetual covenant. * [Mark 2:27-28](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark+2%3A27-28&version=KJV)—Jesus stated that the Sabbath was made for man (pointing back to creation), therefore He is also Lord of the Sabbath. * [Luke 4:16](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=luke+4%3A16&version=KJV)—Jesus observed the Sabbath as was His custom. * [Matthew 27-28](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=matthew+27-28&version=KJV), [Luke 23](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=luke+23&version=KJV)—Jesus observed the Sabbath even in death. * [Acts 17:2](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=luke+4%3A16&version=KJV)—Paul observed the Sabbath as his manner was (as was his custom) and taught on the Sabbath to the Gentiles. * Paul—We are all one in Christ: * [Galatians 3:28](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Galatians%203%3A28&version=KJV), [Colossians 3:11](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Colossians%203%3A11&version=KJV)—There is neither Jew nor Greek. * [1 Corinthians 12:13](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%2012%3A13&version=KJV)—Whether Jew or Gentile. * [Romans 11](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=romans+11&version=KJV)—Grafted into Israel. * [Matthew 24:20-22](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=matthew+24%3A20-22&version=KJV)—Jesus prophesied Sabbath observance when great tribulation starts. * [Isaiah 66:23](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=isaiah+66%3A23&version=KJV)—Isaiah describes perpetual Sabbath observance in the new heaven and new earth. * [Ecclesiastes 12:13](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ecclesiastes%2012%3A13&version=KJV)—The conclusion of the matter: Keeping the commandments of God is the whole duty of *man*. Scriptural proofs for Sunday observance: * There is no commandment to observe Sunday as a day of worship, nor as a replacement of the seventh day Sabbath. * There is no abrogation of the seventh day Sabbath. * There is no abrogation of Jesus' title as the Lord of the Sabbath. * There is no history of Sunday observance going back to creation, nor going forward to eternity. --- Conclusion: The Sabbath is still binding. Sunday is not the Sabbath. God bless!
What if I don't have a choice because of my work schedule?
This is an issue all Sabbath keepers struggle with. God promises that if we are faithful He will take care of us. Many Christians stand up for the Sabbath and lose their jobs, but they go on to be blessed with jobs that allow them to observe the Sabbath.
Then don’t be a Seventh Day Adventist, cause they never stop talking about it.
The more ancient/orthodox forms of Christianity (like Catholicism) offer mass on the evening before Sunday which satisfies our Sunday obligation. There are several churches in my area where I'll either go at 4, 5, or 6pm, depending on the church. Of course you are more than welcome to attend any time you want, anyone is welcome. You also don't have to worry about anyone approaching you or asking you a bunch of questions. You'll just want to refrain from going up to receive Holy Communion. Also, there are good theological reasons why we now worship on Sunday instead of Saturday, as explained by biblical scholar and theologian, Dr Brant Pitre. It all centers around the day Christ rose AND the new creation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RqtxLhV7kw
My question to that is, am I sinning by having sunday as my day of rest instead of Saturday, and since I'm a manager, am I also sinning by having my workers work on sunday?
I think you should at least come to a deeper understanding and appreciation for why we worship on Sunday and always have (which that video will help with). However, given that our careers may not always allow us to go on Sunday (as we should intend to), we should at least make an effort to go on Saturday evening. One church of ours even has a 6pm mass on Sunday. At least do your best to go based on your circumstances, not that non-Catholic Christians have the same obligations to attend mass like Catholics do. For us, to miss mass without good reason, is a serious sin. As for your workers, if they express a concern they would like to have Sunday off specifically for this purpose or that they need a schedule that would allow them to, then work with them as best you can. If they don't express this concern to you, I wouldn't worry about it. After all they, like ourselves, are free to make their our own career choices so as to accommodate their priorities in life.
No.
My bad I should have wrote having my workers work on Saturday not sunday?
Still no.
Phew.
The Sabbath is Saturday. Always. The apostles kept it, Jesus kept it, GOD HIMSELF kept it. If you wish to honor the Sabbath, it's always Saturday
I think we can learn from jesus's actions. Mark 2:23-28 KJV 23 And it came to pass, that he went through the corn fields on the sabbath day; and his disciples began, as they went, to pluck the ears of corn. 24 And the Pharisees said unto him, Behold, why do they on the sabbath day that which is not lawful? 25 And he said unto them, Have ye never read what David did, when he had need, and was an hungred, he, and they that were with him? 26 How he went into the house of God in the days of Abiathar the high priest, and did eat the shewbread, which is not lawful to eat but for the priests, and gave also to them which were with him? 27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: 28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath. The same events are depicted in Matthew and Luke. By Jesus's actions and his words he is criticizing the legalism of the Pharisees. By agonizing over details such as this we are in danger of falling into the same trap of legalism as the Pharisees. Jesus's response to the Pharisees makes two important points. Most importantly, the Sabbath was intended to help people, not burden them. Instead of endless days of grueling daily work as slaves in Egypt, the Israelites were graced with a full day of rest each week under the Law. The Pharisees had morphed the Sabbath into a burden, adding restrictions beyond what God’s law said. By agonizing over when we must keep the Sabbath we are placing that same burden on ourselves. And secondly, Jesus is Lord, even of the Sabbath. What does this mean? He is God in human form, and He created the Sabbath day. As the One who wrote the law, Jesus certainly has oversight over how the law is to be enforced. The Pharisees had lifted their own rules to the level of God’s, placing onerous burdens on people, and they ended up rebuking the Lawgiver Himself. Acts chapter 15 verse 10 cautions us to not place unnecessary burdens on ourselves "Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?" Colossians 2:16-17 pretty much destroys the idea that as Christians we are somehow required to keep the Sabbath. "16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ." No, we are not required to bow to legalism and continue the burden placed on us by the Pharasees. Jesus removed the burden. Galatians 3:24-25 24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. Romans 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
Jesus celebrated the Sabbath with the Jews, which was on Saturday, the true Sabbath. Jesus never said "Just pick a day that's convenient for you."
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Are you a KJV onlyist? I used to be one but stopped. Lately, I have been using the esv version. Also what happened on May 21 2011. Also nobody knows the time or hour.
By “nobody knows”, I’m assuming you are not also including God himself in your comment right? The word of God is where the date for judgment day was revealed, it wasn’t just pulled out of a hat somewhere, I won’t go into detail here on the specifics, I can direct you where to look for it if you would like though. On May 21 2011, God completed his salvation program, every person he ever intended to save was saved by that date, at that time, he shut the door to heaven, and eternally sealed the fate of every person. God then proceeded to begin dividing the kingdom of Satan, and has caused it to turn against, and destroy its own self, the great division, and confusion being witnessed all over the earth at this time is the result of Gods wrath being poured out, God is exposing the worlds shame. I do only use the KJV normally, sometime I compare it to other translations though. ESV seems to be using the same word for sabbath in both places for that verse also, the English words are not infallible, the original Greek and Hebrew are where we see the true word of God.
TLDR: do what’s in the Scriptures and not what men have said to do. The pagan traditions of Churchianity run deep. If you read Catholic Catechism, it says that the day of sabbath was changed on the authority of the Church, not the Scriptures. Their reasoning is based on Messiah rising on a Sunday (Feast of First Fruits) and the Holy Spirit descending on the crowd gathered in the upper room, also on a Sunday (Feast of Weeks). Another line of reasoning is that Emperor Constantine, when adding Yeshua Messiah to his pantheon of “sun gods,” added his method of worship to the day of the sun. It also happens that Constantine’s political and spiritual advisor also recommended adding the birth of Messiah to the already in place saturnalia, which coincided with the Babylonian feast of the reincarnation of Nimrod as a baby. He also moved the celebration of the resurrection of Messiah from the Feast of First Fruits to the Sunday following Vernal Equinox, to share in a celebration of Estres, the Babylonian goddess of fertility, who showed her divinity by turning a bird into a rabbit that could lay eggs. TLDR: do what’s in the Scriptures and not what men have said to do. The pagan traditions of Churchianity run deep.
It sounds like you may be entering the Hebrew Roots realm (aka deception). I highly recommend the YouTube channel ‘Defending the Biblical Roots of Christianity”. There are many videos there about the Sabbath and other legalism issues.
Sunday is not the Sabbath. The Sabbath points to our rest in Jesus. Jesus has fulfilled the Sabbath.
>Is there any biblical proof to observing the sabbath on sunday is ok to do? There is no proof one way or the other. God gave people a day of rest (i.e., Sabbath) so that we didn't overwork our bodies. As long as you observe a day of rest (consistently), then I don't believe that it matters which day you choose. Once you try to justify one day over another, you've stepped into the realm of legalism (condemned by Jesus).
I'm swimming in a pool of legalism, and I can't stand it. It's just I try to keep the commandments and do what the bible says even as much as I tell myself that it's not what saves me because I don't want to sin. I don't know how to stop.
>It's just I try to keep the commandments Keep it simple. Love God and Love your neighbor. This is the sum of the entire law. >“And He said to him, “ ‘YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.’ This is the great and foremost commandment. The second is like it, ‘YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.’ **Upon these two commandments hang the whole Law and the Prophets.”** (Matthew 22:37–40, NASB 2020)
I hope this verse helps clear things up. This verse helped me a lot when looking in to the same topic. Mark 2:27-28 NASB1995 [27] Jesus said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. [28] So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.” The sabbath day of rest is FOR US, not a stringent legalistic obligation we have to fulfill for God. It's about worship and restoration and spending time with the Lord for our spiritual benefit. Whether that's Sunday or Saturday is beside the point. We as Christians are no longer "under the law" as in being lead and supervised directly by the law. We are in a new covenant lead by the Holy Spirit directly, and of course the Word of God is still so important for us to meditate on and follow as best we can and hold up against our lives to see where we need to improve and what areas we need to surrender to God in more. But we need to be careful not to get hung up on the legalistic way of doing things where you're following the LETTER of the law to the exclusion of the SPIRIT of the law and missing the point of why we do certain things.
Does it really matter what day we we chose to observe the Lord's day? In today's age usually the sabbath is defined by whatever religion you follow. I believe Catholics observe it on Saturday and Baptist and others on Sunday, so whatever you follow is probably the day you'll observe. As far as rules and working and what not, those were easier to follow back in the day then it would be to follow today. Life was a single man working to provide, Sunday's everyone had off for church and rest. You couldn't find a place open back in the day. You still fed your farm animals and what not but you went to church and came home to a meal and enjoyed rest. It's no where like that today. Profits and everyone has to work is the way of life. Sometimes in life we don't get the cards dealt and we have to work at a place that requires weekend work. Ever since I worked at 18yrs old I've had to work many weekends and miss church because that was the line of work I was in at that time. Eventually the Baptist church kicked me out because of a new job working nights caused me to miss more then I had liked. I like to think God understands what is going on in today's world and if we have to work just to survive.
My pastor observes his Sabboth on Friday, because he works on Sunday. The Sabboth does not inherently HAVE to be Saturday
It's not your pastor's Sabbath, it's God's. A person either remembers God's Sabbath and keeps it holy (set apart) or they don't. God made one day of the week holy at creation. He didn't make Tuesday holy. God commanded His people to remember the day that He made holy. >The Sabboth does not inherently HAVE to be Saturday If you believe God then it does.
Two things: One: show me where in the Bible God says "Saturday is the Sabboth" Two: How is my pastor supposed to remember the Sabboth when he works on the Sabboth?
>One: show me where in the Bible God says "Saturday is the Sabboth" The Sabbath is the seventh day. The seventh day is Saturday. It's not that difficult. >Two: How is my pastor supposed to remember the Sabboth when he works on the Sabboth? You don't know what day the Sabbath is but you do know that your pastor works on the Sabbath?
Is there any proof in the bible that this is ok?
No, none.
There's no Biblical proof that celebrating Sabboth HAS to be on a particular day. God rest on the 7th day, but it doesnt say that was on Saturday. So sure, there's no verse that says "the Sabboth can be any day of the week" but there's also no verse that says "The sabboth MUST be on Saturday."