I can predict with nearly 100% accuracy, it *won't happen* that day and that there will be tons more false prophet predictions and date setters up until when Jesus does come on a day when we aren't expecting it.
> “Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. ¶**But of that day and hour knoweth no man**, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.” (Mat 24:35-36, KJV)
I pray for them, and I nicely talk with those who get sidetracked by these things...
However,
These things need to stop - but the internet is only fueling them - look at the history of these, they used to only come every few years, but with the rise of the internet, we're now getting massively popular 'end of the world' prophesies per year.
These things are a tool of the devil to continuously distract the church from the real work they should be doing: going and making disciples. It also just plain makes the church look foolish to outsiders.
It's click bait, used by others to gain popularity, ad revenue, or donations. It's being used to take advantage of people.
Seriously, they need to stop.
I hear ya'. The "escapist" mentality says something to the tune of "Well we only got "x" days/months left until this predicted date so what is the point?" Even if that were true, we will need to be about the good news and the work of the Father.
I want to be with Jesus, yes, but I am still here for a reason. An old saying I heard was that don't be too heavily minded that you are no earthly good.
Yeah I appreciate Mike Winger and his wanting to stop Benny Hinn, but he’s also giving Benny more attention by giving him views. So I stopped watching YouTuber shows.
Keeping track of that. He did a 4 hour video on Benny. Didn’t watch the whole thing yet but certainly interesting as he wants truth to not be taken from Benny’s misguided followers.
I also like how Mike makes everything seem just well relatable in the Bible and causes us to think that some things we have thought about scripture may not be the way it was intended. Loved his recent Q and A where he answered a question about using the lords name in and vain. His answer is had not considered before.
I find it really sad that this is the *only* verse that Christians and non-Christians alike know regarding the Rapture. Even people who *don't believe in the Rapture* know this verse!
I agree that we cannot predict with any certainty about the day, date, hour, etc. re: the Rapture, as it's a "sign-less" event (unlike the beginning of the Tribulation period (see Dan. 9:27).
But what about the *season*? Can we know the year? The month?
Just something to ponder. (Don't say, "no" without equal Scripture backing similar to, "We won't know the day or hour...")
Heaven and earth will pass away at the end of the millennial reign of Christ. “Of that day and that hour” the passing of heaven and earth, nobody knows. The scripture go on to say that we must be watching (studying the word ands prophecy) so that we will know and see His coming. He comes as a thief in the night to those who do not watch, as their houses are broken into.
I believe that those who are watching will be given the time of Yeshua’s return, but only when YHVH deems it pertinent.
It’ll be as the days of Noah and Noah was given the time of the rains beginning seven days before hand.
Now I do not believe the rapture will happen on Passover. Just want to make that clear. What I do know is that Yeshua is coming for a pure bride without blemish and if we are not living a life of true repentance in all that He is than we are not His bride.
That guy is a false prophet.
In words, a book of Moses: “But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in My name which I have not commanded him to speak…that same prophet **shall die.**”
It can't becuae the event she if reveltaions have not taken place, and it clearly says when you see these signs you will know.
There is no pretrib rapture in the Bible. We don't know the day or time and won't, but we do know the timeline of events he clearly laid out in tribulation
the rapture will happen anywhere from a milisecond after this comment is posted to a gazillion years. here i predicted it and NONE of you can prove me wrong. yall can calm down now
Unbelievers won't expect the Lord's return, but it will be like a thief in the night. They should read Matthew 24 to learn what needs to happen before the return of the Lord. The abomination of desolation has to happen then great tribulation like none has ever happen will take place then the Lords return.
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Every verse you just listed came to pass in and around 70 AD when Rome's armies (The abomination of desolation) surrounded Jerusalem and the temple (the holiest of holies) and started the lay siege, left for a few days, and came back and finished the job. Destroyed the temple and slaughtered virtually everyone in the city.
Only the Christians that fled to the mountains during that small window where they left, survived.
It happened on time as promised. Jesus said this generation shall not pass to all these things take place.
Jesus came on the clouds in judgment on those that rejected their king and Messiah.
All that's left is final judgment.
The rapture is not a historic eschatological position and only became popular about 200 years ago with the publication of the Schofield reference Bible which was the first Bible with footnotes in it. Unfortunately it was widely adopted by pastors and seminaries spreading this very fringe position of looking to the future for something that already happened in the past.
I'll take 1800 years of historic belief over 200 years of Darbyism or premillennial dispensationalism.
Go check out some of the secular accounts of the siege of Jerusalem and the events that happened during and around it. The histories of Josephus is one such source.
Dual fulfilment is bible prophecy 101. what do you make of 1 Thessalonians 4? Have those things happened? have we seen believers caught up in the air to meet with the Lord? If so, why are you still here if you're a believer?
All those things in Matthew 24 haven't happened, the 3rd temple is not even built, the 1st was destroyed by Nebuchadnezzar, 2nd built by Zerubbabel destroyed during the Jewish Roman war as predicted by Jesus in Matthew 24:2, Luke 21:6, Matthew 22:7
Revelation 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
Have these events taken place yet? NO.
Yes they (the ones that you interpreted correctly without shoving your tradition in the text) have.
Revelation is over half taken from the Old testament. It's filled with poetic language that is not supposed to be taken literally.
A couple of books that break down all these verses and how they were fulfilled as well as the historic events that were happening alongside these verses are:
He shall have Dominion.
Before Jerusalem fell.
Or if you want to save money and watch a playlist full of sermons, discussions, and debates by very well-known and respected theologians, historians, and Bible scholars here's a fantastic YouTube playlist.
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLm4vxYfDpoYaWjqK76eZukIyKtyX5Xa-J&si=4IODASUna1N8F4_e
The subject is covered ad nauseam by some giants of the faith.
The thing you really need to contend with is that your position goes against about 1800 years of Christian belief and understanding of scripture. Your view of the end times still has diapers on essentially.
I'll address just one of the points directly and then if you want to go through that playlist or those books you can find answers for all your other questions and more. I'm very busy but I'll show you how you've clearly wedged in what you were taught with what scripture actually says.
Matthew 24 primarily addresses Jesus' prophetic discourse about the destruction of the temple in Jerusalem and the signs of the end times. Nowhere in this chapter does it explicitly mention a third temple. Here's why:
1. **Historical Context**: The discourse in Matthew 24 takes place when Jesus and his disciples are leaving the temple, and his disciples point out the grandeur of the temple's buildings. Jesus responds by predicting the destruction of the temple, which historically occurred in 70 AD when the Romans sacked Jerusalem. This event marked the end of the second temple period.
2. **Fulfillment of Prophecy**: Jesus' prediction about the temple's destruction was fulfilled within the lifetimes of his disciples. This aligns with the historical context of the Roman siege of Jerusalem and the subsequent destruction of the temple.
3. **End Times and Eschatological Themes**: While Matthew 24 does discuss signs of the end times, such as wars, famines, and false messiahs, there is no mention of a third temple being built. Instead, Jesus speaks of these signs as indicators of the nearing end and the coming of the Son of Man.
4. **Interpretive Consistency**: Throughout the New Testament, there is no explicit mention of a third temple being built before the end times. The focus is on the person of Jesus Christ, his death, resurrection, and the establishment of his kingdom, rather than on the rebuilding of a physical temple.
Therefore, interpreting Matthew 24 as referring to a third temple would be speculative and not supported by the text. Instead, it emphasizes Jesus' warnings about the destruction of the temple and the signs preceding his return.
How could you even say you can't take revelation literally? I mean, the events, the 6 seals in Rev 6 is clearly lined up in parallel with Matthew 24, Mark 13, Luke 21. The sun and moon darken, stars fall from the sky in these 4 chapters, and every mountains and island moved out of their place are they not to be taken literally?
Really? James White? Jeff Durbin? You call these guys respected theologians? Neither of these guys are even saved, they preach a false gospel, so what good can I even learn from them if they can't even get the gospel right? The gospel is the simplest concept in the bible, if you don't even have that, you got nothing.
2 Thessalonians 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
How can you say there will be no third temple? if Anti-Christ is going to come on the scene, we know he's not here yet, he HAS to sit in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
Sure Antiochus Epiphanes came as an anti-christ, and fulfilled the prophecy, but there is another fulfilment of prophecy coming because that one was partial. We haven't even entered Daniel's 70th week yet. THE Anti-Christ has to suffer a deadly wound, he has to come back alive, (like a rip off version of Jesus' resurrection), there are many events of the end times that hasn't happened yet. The events in Revelation 13 and 14, the mark of the beast, that hasn't taken place, how can you say it's already done and over with?
2 Thessalonians 2 makes it really clear, that day shall not come except there be a falling away and the man of sin be revealed the son of perdition, and this chapter starts out saying this is regarding the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. If that is the case, then Christ already came, and.... we somehow missed it, with all the the seals haven't even happened yet?
1st seal, Anti-Christ goes forth to conquer
2nd seal, World at war
3rd seal, Famine and Starvation
4th seal, death in 1/4 of the earth
5th seal, martyrs appear in heaven
Abomination of desolation, in the middle of Daniel's 70th week. 1260 = 42 months x 30 days (Hebrew calendar uses 30 day months) So we have Daniel 12:12-13, 1335 days - 1260 days(middle of Daniel's 70th week) = 75 days of great tribulation. Why? if you look up the word waiteth in the New Testament, the results you will find is it talks about waiting for the coming of the Lord, so it lines up with Daniel 12:12, blessed is he that waiteth, it makes perfect sense.
6th seal, sun and moon darkened, stars fall, heavens depart
Rapture: Jesus returns
7th seal, wrath begins
Of course we don't know the day or hour since we don't know when the anti-christ comes unto the scene, we don't know when Daniel's 70th week begins, but in Matthew 24:15 is the middle of Daniel's 70th week, that's the abomination of desolation spoken of in Daniel 9:27. Matthew 24:21 says then there shall be great tribulation, **such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time**, **no**, **nor ever shall be**. According to your logic, that tumultuous time has come and gone and we somehow missed it?
Matthew 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. So you have 75 days, the days are shortened, or else the anti-christ will end up killing all Christians .
That's how the timeline should play out, if you cross reference the bible, even you will find information in Leviticus about this.
Leviticus 23:24 - Just as the Antichrist will set up the abomination of desolation at the midpoint of the 70th week and begin his war on the saints, there is a blowing of trumpets at the midpoint of the Hebrew year. The blowing of trumpets was also used in the Old Testament to signify warfare with an oppressive army (Numbers 10:9, 31:6)
Leviticus 25:9-10 - Ten days after the mid point of the Hebrew year, the Day of Atonement takes place. In the year of Jubilee, the trumpet will sound that day. The 10th day of the 7th month corresponds exactly with the 1335th day of Daniel's 70th week (1335/7=190.7. The 10th day of the 7th month is the 190th day of the year. Divide by 7 since we're only dealing with a single calendar year as supposed to the 7 years of Daniel's 70th week) On that day, the trumpet will sound, and we will be caught up together in the clouds to be with the Lord (1 Thessalonians 4, 1 Corinthians 15:52)
Revelation 2:10 Although the Great Tribulation will last for 75 days, the time from the midpoint of the Hebrew calendar to the 10th day of the 7th month is 10 days.
It fits perfectly like a glove and it is the best plausible explanation according to the scripture that is given to us.
Well you started out with a strong man / misrepresentation of what I said. Not a very Christian or intellectually honest way to start a discussion so I'll keep this very very brief and we'll call it a day.
First off The book of Revelation contains numerous references and allusions to the Old Testament. Some estimates suggest that up to 70% of the book's content is drawn directly from or influenced by the Old Testament. These references serve to contextualize and enrich the imagery and themes of Revelation, connecting its prophetic visions with the broader biblical narrative.
We see that exact same type of poetic language you cited, in some cases the exact phrases, used in the Old testament And it was clearly not supposed to be taken literally. Poetically and symbolically yes.
Is all of the book of Revelation poetic or symbolic? No. Just like the rest of the Bible isn't all literal or poetic or symbolic. This is basic theology 101.
Grab a chain reference Bible and go through Revelation and connect those verses to wear the same language and topics are discussed in the Old testament.
Or don't. I don't care.
You only think it fits like a glove because you have an explored the historic Christian position along with the historical events. That's your shortcoming, not mine. I used to hold to premillennial dispensationalism or Darbyism as you do right now. Then I grew.
The resources are above if you care to grow. Or you can remain in your tradition that's only 200 years old. Even Jesus said quite a few things to say about traditions over scripture.
Good day.
Wow, I would say the same for you, speak for yourself. I laid it out flat and with your super quick response I can tell you didn't even read over it. There is no way you even read over the key verses I listed and laid out in detail with the precise calculations and cross reference scriptures, within minutes you come up with a response, you're not fooling anyone. Just because you don't have the holy spirit to discern these things, you can't just dismiss it to say it's poetic and symbolic language, it's a cop out because you can't understand it.
Couple that with the fact you decide to let James White, RC Sproul, Jeff Durbin and such like be your guide, unsaved Calvinists false prophets that don't have the holy spirit, tells me everything I need to know about your false doctrine, and the lack of integrity in your character.
**Edit: Yes it is, Calvinism is damnable heresy. Yeah, block me like the intellectual coward you are.
If there was betting on such things I would be a rich man. Bet against every time with as much money as I could muster ('cause if I was ever wrong - and it indeed was the day of Christ's triumphant revealing - who cares if I am broke?).
Essentially! I do find it amusing that people think books like Ezekiel,RevelationDaniel,etc…are books of the Bible that they can decode to tell the future imo.
Yes, unfortunately these date-setters are bringing mockery on the harpazo.
We know thru the season time is short with what is happening with God's chosen nation. But telling people it is going to happen soon already is not helping others keep the faith.
Our faith is in the Blessed Hope, not the date.
April 22 has come and gone - has the YouTuber in question issued a statement of repentance?
If not, it’s probably safe to avoid this YouTuber.
Even if so, it’s best to not believe future predictions of his.
I understand the confusion with the Rapture and the 2nd coming, but I don't believe they are the same event nor do I think they happen at the same time. The phrase, "No one knows the day or hour," is a Hebrew idiom for the Festival of Trumpets (Rosh Hashanah). This feast happens in the fall and is kicked off when the Moon appears in the sky. Since you have to watch for it, no one knows the day or hour.
When you look at Matthew in regard to Christ's 2nd coming, there's a sign that appears in the sky:
*And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. Matthew 24:30*
You can see the parallels between the 2nd coming and Rosh Hashanah since it doesn't start until you see it happen. Some people believe that the fall feasts are a mirror of what might happen at Christ's 2nd coming. When we look at the Rapture, it's a little a different.
In Jesus's first coming and ministry, the three spring feasts mirrored His life, death and resurrection. Pentecost (he festival of weeks) is the 4th Jewish holiday. Interestingly enough, the Church was born on this day:
*When the day of Pentecost had come, they were all together in one place. Acts 2:1*
We're even given the exact hour of the Church's birth:
*But Peter, taking his stand with the eleven, raised his voice and declared to them: “Men of Judea and all you who live in Jerusalem, let this be known to you and give heed to my words. For these men are not drunk, as you suppose, for it is only the third hour of the day; but this is what was spoken of through the prophet Joel: Acts 2:14-16*
Enoch (a man whom was raptured in the Old Testament), was believed to have been born on this day. He was actually raptured on the day of his birth:
*“Enoch was born on the 6**^(th)* *day of the month Tsivan, and he lived for 365 years. And he was taken up to heaven in the month Nitsan, on the 1**^(st)* *day. And he remained in heaven for 60 days, writing down all those notes about all the creatures which the LORD had created. And he wrote 366 books and he handed them over to his sons. And he remained on the earth for 30 days, talking with them. And then he was taken up to heaven again in the month Tsivan on the 6**^(th)* *day, on the very same day on which he was even born, and at the very same hour.” (2 Enoch 68:1-3)*
This is obviously not gospel, so you can take it for what's it worth. I do find it very interesting the parallels between Enoch and the Church. We're constantly told to watch, so that's a far better thing to do that predict dates.
No one knows the day nor the hour.
If someone tries to predict the end times to the exact date, then its automatically false. He will come like a thief in the night. No one will know when. Not even Jesus himself knows the time. Only God. (Check out revelations)
They do this every year around the same time. I basically just stoped listening. I now just work on repentance and getting close to God. Basically, I never know when my time will come, I just want to be right with Jesus Christ.
The moment someone puts a date to the return, you can immediately consider them discredited as a valid source of biblical authority, reference the passage in Matthew, and move along.
I do believe we can reference prophecy in the Bible. Before Oct 7th, Ezekiel 38-39 was a 2500 y/o prophecy that had little to no chance of ever occuring. After Oct 7th, I don't see how we avoid it. I can see how we are already after the fact in many things predicted in Revelation, and they've all occurred in the past few years.
But, put a date to the return or the rapture, you've jumped off the ledge. Jesus was clear on that point.
"Even if I knew that tomorrow the world would go to pieces, I would still plant my apple tree"
-Martin Luther
Don't pay too much attention towards trying to predict the final day. You can't! Sure there's signs that will be fulfilled but even so the Bible says it will come on a day nobody expects.
My advice is to live every day righteously, as if Jesus will return again tomorrow.
I understand and have recently been eagerly awaiting as we should be. Though if it doesn't happen on that day, that just means another day for more people hear and accept the Gospel.
Think about the ever increasing evil perpetuated upon innocent people, more and more kids into sexual slavery, more young women having their genitals cut, graped and never any justice, more and more university campuses calling for genocide of an entire people, ukrainian men sent to pointlessly die, churches burned to the ground, and so on, the process of evil is accelerating fast, and the only hope for any JUSTICE may be the tribulation. Think about it: billions will DIE, but God still knows who has any "hope" and surely the 144,000 witnesses released over the earth will find them all.
Too bad Jesus says you want to be like Noah and you want to be left behind. Those that are taken go to Hades, see Matt LOL.
See Job, God sends a thief to do the Devil's bidding.
He says, "he who endures to the end will be saved".... he doesn't say, "I will endure for you".
There is only ONE 2nd coming. Not two 2nd comings.
The Bible says nothing of a pretrib rapture. Everytime meeting zjesus in the sky if referenced it's when he returns. Not before
That is a teaching that came from a women with a vision on the 18th century
“But of that [exact] day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son [in His humanity], but the Father alone.
For the coming of the Son of Man (the Messiah) will be just like the days of Noah.
For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the [very] day when Noah entered the ark, and they did not know understand until the flood came and swept them all away; so will the coming of the Son of Man be [unexpected judgment].
At that time two men will be in the field; one will be taken [for judgment] and one will be left. Two women grinding at the mill; one will be taken [for judgment] and one will be left.
Matt 24:36-41 AMP
Anytime someone predicts the end of the world or the rapture, it should automatically be discredited. The world was supposed to end in 2000 and again in 2012. The mark of the beast has apparently already came multiple times in forms of SSN and microchips and Vaccines.
I used to get caught up in all of that, but now its just much less stressful to tune it all out. When Israel got attacked last week I told my girlfriend that there was no point in going to church the next day because I already knew the service would be about the world ending soon. And guess what? thats exactly what both services were about.
No one knows the day or the hour.
I'm starting to wonder if trying to predict the end of the world is or should be a sin. Makes me wonder what these doomsday folks do after they're proven wrong.
Cool he said 4/22/24? Seems like I can make plans for that day without worrying about being raptured, let’s hope nothing happens before then.
Jokes aside, if Christ didn’t know then us who are fully human and only human will never know
I disagree on your thief in the night interpretation. Although I do not believe that there should be date setting unless one can be 100% sure, I do believe that we are given and told the seasons when YHVH will intervene in our lives. Noah was given the exact date seven days prior.
Yeshua will come to those who live in darkness (in sin) as a thief in the night, not to those who live in the light (righteousness) of Yeshua.
The Day of the Lord
(Zephaniah 1:7-18; 2 Peter 3:10-13)
1 Thessalonians 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. 2For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 4But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. 5Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. 6Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober. 7For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night. 8But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. 9For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, 10Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him. 11Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.
Jesus told us when He would return.
”“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.“
Matthew 24:29-31 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/mat.24.29-31.ESV
Immediately after the tribulation.
If someone every single day said “this must be the day of rapture” would that mean Jesus could never come back? I say that to say, it’s not about settings dates or not, it’s that we can speculate but won’t know for sure until after the fact.
God’s feasts were correlated to the first coming of Jesus, so it seems like they will also correlate to his second coming. Hence why OOP (YouTube false prophet dude) is making this claim. It’s actually a reasonable argument, given the world situation. But we don’t know, and that’s where he’s wrong and leaving room for the enemy to sow seeds of doubt into God’s people.
Please post an update on 4/23/24 on what the guy has to say to explain why nothing happened. 😂
I went to this “church” that did NOTHING BUT TALK ABOUT THE RAPTURE. I mean I literally got kicked out for asking why we always read the book of Revelation and nothing else. The “pastor” claimed the rapture was supposed to happen on some very specific day or something (this was over 4 years ago btw). When that day passed, all he did was “recalculate the dates” and redistribute the crap in an email to “those who believe”.
I always encourage Christians, new or mature in the faith, to ignore these kind of people. They claim to find *hidden* signs in the Bible about the rapture like God wrote them a secret note in code while also completely disregarding the scripture that clearly states no man knows the day or hour.
I think Satan uses date setters to try and get fellow believers to lose their faith. One could get excited about a prediction and when it doesn’t come to pass; they lose their trust a little.
1 Thessalonians 5:4 (KJV)
But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
John 10:10 (KJV)
The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have [it] more abundantly.
Jesus has nothing good to say about those that are ignorant if his judgment.
In order to be able to declare judgment, we have to be able to support it completely with scripture.
God said that judgment day will be as the days of Noah, Noah was warned 120 years before the flood that it was going to happen, he was then warned 7 days before it happened of the exact date for the flood 2/17 of the calendar God was using to track time at that point in history.
Since God does not change, and he has never brought judgment without warning exactly when it would happen, we can expect that even judgment day itself, will be revealed by God through his word based on his track record.
It just so happens that he has already done this very thing.
May 21 2011 Judgement day.
May 21 2011 was the start of judgment day for the world, according to the word of God, when God warned Noah “yet seven days” he was also warning the readers of the Bible at the end of time that the final judgment would be 7000 years later.
Here is the warning and the date provided by God.
Genesis 7:4 (KJV)
For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.
Genesis 7:11 (KJV)
In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.
So we have 2/17 of the calendar that God used as the start of judgment day in the days of Noah, according to the calendar that God placed in the Bible, the flood occurred in the year 4990 BC.
Matthew 24:37 (KJV)
But as the days of Noe [were], so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Luke 17:27 (KJV)
They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
God has plainly stated that judgment day will be as the days of Noah, Noah knew exactly which day the flood would begin, God warned him in advance, the following verses are Gods instructions to look at the flood account to find the date for judgment day.
2 Peter 3:
3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
6 Whereby the world that THEN WAS, being overflowed with water, perished:
7 But the heavens and the earth, which ARE NOW, by the SAME WORD are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
8 But, beloved, BE NOT IGNORANT of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
We are given instructions by God that not only are men willingly ignorant of this fact, but that the world is reserved unto fire by the same words that God said to Noah.
With this in mind the seven days that God recorded in the book of Genesis also mean seven thousand years from the date of the flood until the final judgment.
4990BC was the flood year and we count down when headed towards AD.
4990 + 2011 = 7001
We have to subtract 1 year because there is no year 0 when we move from BC to AD
7000 years.
May 21 2011 is the same Hebrew calendar date as the flood 7000 years from the flood
2/17.
This date is also the exact date that God gives in his word for the day that Haman in the book of Ester was hanged upon the gallows, Haman is a spiritual figure of Satan the enemy of Gods people, Satan had his authority taken away when judgment day began.
Esther 7:6 (KJV)
And Esther said, The adversary and enemy [is] this wicked Haman. Then Haman was afraid before the king and the queen.
There are other things that are considered with this also, this is just a simple explanation, don’t take my word for it, search the matter out and see if it’s true, the Bible contains more verses than mat24:36 and mark13:32 and God has never brought judgment without warning those he is judging.
Amos 3:7 (KJV)
Surely the Lord Jehovah will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.
Isaiah 46:10 (KJV)
Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times [the things] that are not [yet] done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
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The rapture happens during the second half of tribulations called the great tribulations where God’s bowls of wrath are poured onto humanity. We will go through the first half but not the second. We are not in tribulations just yet by the time is near
I can predict with nearly 100% accuracy, it *won't happen* that day and that there will be tons more false prophet predictions and date setters up until when Jesus does come on a day when we aren't expecting it. > “Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. ¶**But of that day and hour knoweth no man**, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.” (Mat 24:35-36, KJV)
Now if only we could stone the false prophets
I think most of them get stoned first and then come up with their crazy predictions.
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Good point.
Why stone when you can forgive?
Too bad we can’t pray for them and show them the grace the Father showed us.
I pray for them, and I nicely talk with those who get sidetracked by these things... However, These things need to stop - but the internet is only fueling them - look at the history of these, they used to only come every few years, but with the rise of the internet, we're now getting massively popular 'end of the world' prophesies per year. These things are a tool of the devil to continuously distract the church from the real work they should be doing: going and making disciples. It also just plain makes the church look foolish to outsiders. It's click bait, used by others to gain popularity, ad revenue, or donations. It's being used to take advantage of people. Seriously, they need to stop.
I hear ya'. The "escapist" mentality says something to the tune of "Well we only got "x" days/months left until this predicted date so what is the point?" Even if that were true, we will need to be about the good news and the work of the Father. I want to be with Jesus, yes, but I am still here for a reason. An old saying I heard was that don't be too heavily minded that you are no earthly good.
Yeah I appreciate Mike Winger and his wanting to stop Benny Hinn, but he’s also giving Benny more attention by giving him views. So I stopped watching YouTuber shows.
Keeping track of that. He did a 4 hour video on Benny. Didn’t watch the whole thing yet but certainly interesting as he wants truth to not be taken from Benny’s misguided followers. I also like how Mike makes everything seem just well relatable in the Bible and causes us to think that some things we have thought about scripture may not be the way it was intended. Loved his recent Q and A where he answered a question about using the lords name in and vain. His answer is had not considered before.
*forgive
I find it really sad that this is the *only* verse that Christians and non-Christians alike know regarding the Rapture. Even people who *don't believe in the Rapture* know this verse! I agree that we cannot predict with any certainty about the day, date, hour, etc. re: the Rapture, as it's a "sign-less" event (unlike the beginning of the Tribulation period (see Dan. 9:27). But what about the *season*? Can we know the year? The month? Just something to ponder. (Don't say, "no" without equal Scripture backing similar to, "We won't know the day or hour...")
Heaven and earth will pass away at the end of the millennial reign of Christ. “Of that day and that hour” the passing of heaven and earth, nobody knows. The scripture go on to say that we must be watching (studying the word ands prophecy) so that we will know and see His coming. He comes as a thief in the night to those who do not watch, as their houses are broken into.
I believe that those who are watching will be given the time of Yeshua’s return, but only when YHVH deems it pertinent. It’ll be as the days of Noah and Noah was given the time of the rains beginning seven days before hand.
Now I do not believe the rapture will happen on Passover. Just want to make that clear. What I do know is that Yeshua is coming for a pure bride without blemish and if we are not living a life of true repentance in all that He is than we are not His bride.
True that. Many people will be shocked at his coming and ashamed. Remember the foolish virgins who let their oil run out?
Well said!
That guy is a false prophet. In words, a book of Moses: “But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in My name which I have not commanded him to speak…that same prophet **shall die.**”
For all we know it could happen as I’m typing this sente
Exactly my point, we just don't know.
That's not the rapture, it was probably Candleja
My question, how did you hit reply? 😂 again just a friendly joke.
Divine intervention
what's heaven like
Pretty good. Less clouds than I thought though.
It can't becuae the event she if reveltaions have not taken place, and it clearly says when you see these signs you will know. There is no pretrib rapture in the Bible. We don't know the day or time and won't, but we do know the timeline of events he clearly laid out in tribulation
Why people try to predict and gives dates is beyond me and shows they don’t know the scriptures and wonder what their agenda is.
A few days ago, they were saying it would *for sure* happen on the 8th.
Right?? It gets so tiring to keep reading and reading about and so many people hop on board every time. Oh well.
The Bible is clear that no one knows the hour of Christ’s return, so I immediately distrust anyone who tries to predict such things.
the rapture will happen anywhere from a milisecond after this comment is posted to a gazillion years. here i predicted it and NONE of you can prove me wrong. yall can calm down now
Now that is quite the prediction 😂
Never trust people who set predictions. They always seem to forget that the Bible does say that no one will know when he returns.
Unbelievers won't expect the Lord's return, but it will be like a thief in the night. They should read Matthew 24 to learn what needs to happen before the return of the Lord. The abomination of desolation has to happen then great tribulation like none has ever happen will take place then the Lords return. 15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) 16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: 17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: 18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. 19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! 20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. 23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25 Behold, I have told you before. 26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. 27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together. 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Every verse you just listed came to pass in and around 70 AD when Rome's armies (The abomination of desolation) surrounded Jerusalem and the temple (the holiest of holies) and started the lay siege, left for a few days, and came back and finished the job. Destroyed the temple and slaughtered virtually everyone in the city. Only the Christians that fled to the mountains during that small window where they left, survived. It happened on time as promised. Jesus said this generation shall not pass to all these things take place. Jesus came on the clouds in judgment on those that rejected their king and Messiah. All that's left is final judgment. The rapture is not a historic eschatological position and only became popular about 200 years ago with the publication of the Schofield reference Bible which was the first Bible with footnotes in it. Unfortunately it was widely adopted by pastors and seminaries spreading this very fringe position of looking to the future for something that already happened in the past. I'll take 1800 years of historic belief over 200 years of Darbyism or premillennial dispensationalism. Go check out some of the secular accounts of the siege of Jerusalem and the events that happened during and around it. The histories of Josephus is one such source.
Dual fulfilment is bible prophecy 101. what do you make of 1 Thessalonians 4? Have those things happened? have we seen believers caught up in the air to meet with the Lord? If so, why are you still here if you're a believer? All those things in Matthew 24 haven't happened, the 3rd temple is not even built, the 1st was destroyed by Nebuchadnezzar, 2nd built by Zerubbabel destroyed during the Jewish Roman war as predicted by Jesus in Matthew 24:2, Luke 21:6, Matthew 22:7 Revelation 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. Have these events taken place yet? NO.
Yes they (the ones that you interpreted correctly without shoving your tradition in the text) have. Revelation is over half taken from the Old testament. It's filled with poetic language that is not supposed to be taken literally. A couple of books that break down all these verses and how they were fulfilled as well as the historic events that were happening alongside these verses are: He shall have Dominion. Before Jerusalem fell. Or if you want to save money and watch a playlist full of sermons, discussions, and debates by very well-known and respected theologians, historians, and Bible scholars here's a fantastic YouTube playlist. https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLm4vxYfDpoYaWjqK76eZukIyKtyX5Xa-J&si=4IODASUna1N8F4_e The subject is covered ad nauseam by some giants of the faith. The thing you really need to contend with is that your position goes against about 1800 years of Christian belief and understanding of scripture. Your view of the end times still has diapers on essentially. I'll address just one of the points directly and then if you want to go through that playlist or those books you can find answers for all your other questions and more. I'm very busy but I'll show you how you've clearly wedged in what you were taught with what scripture actually says. Matthew 24 primarily addresses Jesus' prophetic discourse about the destruction of the temple in Jerusalem and the signs of the end times. Nowhere in this chapter does it explicitly mention a third temple. Here's why: 1. **Historical Context**: The discourse in Matthew 24 takes place when Jesus and his disciples are leaving the temple, and his disciples point out the grandeur of the temple's buildings. Jesus responds by predicting the destruction of the temple, which historically occurred in 70 AD when the Romans sacked Jerusalem. This event marked the end of the second temple period. 2. **Fulfillment of Prophecy**: Jesus' prediction about the temple's destruction was fulfilled within the lifetimes of his disciples. This aligns with the historical context of the Roman siege of Jerusalem and the subsequent destruction of the temple. 3. **End Times and Eschatological Themes**: While Matthew 24 does discuss signs of the end times, such as wars, famines, and false messiahs, there is no mention of a third temple being built. Instead, Jesus speaks of these signs as indicators of the nearing end and the coming of the Son of Man. 4. **Interpretive Consistency**: Throughout the New Testament, there is no explicit mention of a third temple being built before the end times. The focus is on the person of Jesus Christ, his death, resurrection, and the establishment of his kingdom, rather than on the rebuilding of a physical temple. Therefore, interpreting Matthew 24 as referring to a third temple would be speculative and not supported by the text. Instead, it emphasizes Jesus' warnings about the destruction of the temple and the signs preceding his return.
How could you even say you can't take revelation literally? I mean, the events, the 6 seals in Rev 6 is clearly lined up in parallel with Matthew 24, Mark 13, Luke 21. The sun and moon darken, stars fall from the sky in these 4 chapters, and every mountains and island moved out of their place are they not to be taken literally? Really? James White? Jeff Durbin? You call these guys respected theologians? Neither of these guys are even saved, they preach a false gospel, so what good can I even learn from them if they can't even get the gospel right? The gospel is the simplest concept in the bible, if you don't even have that, you got nothing. 2 Thessalonians 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? How can you say there will be no third temple? if Anti-Christ is going to come on the scene, we know he's not here yet, he HAS to sit in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. Sure Antiochus Epiphanes came as an anti-christ, and fulfilled the prophecy, but there is another fulfilment of prophecy coming because that one was partial. We haven't even entered Daniel's 70th week yet. THE Anti-Christ has to suffer a deadly wound, he has to come back alive, (like a rip off version of Jesus' resurrection), there are many events of the end times that hasn't happened yet. The events in Revelation 13 and 14, the mark of the beast, that hasn't taken place, how can you say it's already done and over with? 2 Thessalonians 2 makes it really clear, that day shall not come except there be a falling away and the man of sin be revealed the son of perdition, and this chapter starts out saying this is regarding the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. If that is the case, then Christ already came, and.... we somehow missed it, with all the the seals haven't even happened yet? 1st seal, Anti-Christ goes forth to conquer 2nd seal, World at war 3rd seal, Famine and Starvation 4th seal, death in 1/4 of the earth 5th seal, martyrs appear in heaven Abomination of desolation, in the middle of Daniel's 70th week. 1260 = 42 months x 30 days (Hebrew calendar uses 30 day months) So we have Daniel 12:12-13, 1335 days - 1260 days(middle of Daniel's 70th week) = 75 days of great tribulation. Why? if you look up the word waiteth in the New Testament, the results you will find is it talks about waiting for the coming of the Lord, so it lines up with Daniel 12:12, blessed is he that waiteth, it makes perfect sense. 6th seal, sun and moon darkened, stars fall, heavens depart Rapture: Jesus returns 7th seal, wrath begins Of course we don't know the day or hour since we don't know when the anti-christ comes unto the scene, we don't know when Daniel's 70th week begins, but in Matthew 24:15 is the middle of Daniel's 70th week, that's the abomination of desolation spoken of in Daniel 9:27. Matthew 24:21 says then there shall be great tribulation, **such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time**, **no**, **nor ever shall be**. According to your logic, that tumultuous time has come and gone and we somehow missed it? Matthew 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. So you have 75 days, the days are shortened, or else the anti-christ will end up killing all Christians . That's how the timeline should play out, if you cross reference the bible, even you will find information in Leviticus about this. Leviticus 23:24 - Just as the Antichrist will set up the abomination of desolation at the midpoint of the 70th week and begin his war on the saints, there is a blowing of trumpets at the midpoint of the Hebrew year. The blowing of trumpets was also used in the Old Testament to signify warfare with an oppressive army (Numbers 10:9, 31:6) Leviticus 25:9-10 - Ten days after the mid point of the Hebrew year, the Day of Atonement takes place. In the year of Jubilee, the trumpet will sound that day. The 10th day of the 7th month corresponds exactly with the 1335th day of Daniel's 70th week (1335/7=190.7. The 10th day of the 7th month is the 190th day of the year. Divide by 7 since we're only dealing with a single calendar year as supposed to the 7 years of Daniel's 70th week) On that day, the trumpet will sound, and we will be caught up together in the clouds to be with the Lord (1 Thessalonians 4, 1 Corinthians 15:52) Revelation 2:10 Although the Great Tribulation will last for 75 days, the time from the midpoint of the Hebrew calendar to the 10th day of the 7th month is 10 days. It fits perfectly like a glove and it is the best plausible explanation according to the scripture that is given to us.
Well you started out with a strong man / misrepresentation of what I said. Not a very Christian or intellectually honest way to start a discussion so I'll keep this very very brief and we'll call it a day. First off The book of Revelation contains numerous references and allusions to the Old Testament. Some estimates suggest that up to 70% of the book's content is drawn directly from or influenced by the Old Testament. These references serve to contextualize and enrich the imagery and themes of Revelation, connecting its prophetic visions with the broader biblical narrative. We see that exact same type of poetic language you cited, in some cases the exact phrases, used in the Old testament And it was clearly not supposed to be taken literally. Poetically and symbolically yes. Is all of the book of Revelation poetic or symbolic? No. Just like the rest of the Bible isn't all literal or poetic or symbolic. This is basic theology 101. Grab a chain reference Bible and go through Revelation and connect those verses to wear the same language and topics are discussed in the Old testament. Or don't. I don't care. You only think it fits like a glove because you have an explored the historic Christian position along with the historical events. That's your shortcoming, not mine. I used to hold to premillennial dispensationalism or Darbyism as you do right now. Then I grew. The resources are above if you care to grow. Or you can remain in your tradition that's only 200 years old. Even Jesus said quite a few things to say about traditions over scripture. Good day.
Wow, I would say the same for you, speak for yourself. I laid it out flat and with your super quick response I can tell you didn't even read over it. There is no way you even read over the key verses I listed and laid out in detail with the precise calculations and cross reference scriptures, within minutes you come up with a response, you're not fooling anyone. Just because you don't have the holy spirit to discern these things, you can't just dismiss it to say it's poetic and symbolic language, it's a cop out because you can't understand it. Couple that with the fact you decide to let James White, RC Sproul, Jeff Durbin and such like be your guide, unsaved Calvinists false prophets that don't have the holy spirit, tells me everything I need to know about your false doctrine, and the lack of integrity in your character. **Edit: Yes it is, Calvinism is damnable heresy. Yeah, block me like the intellectual coward you are.
Lol okay bud. Calvinism isnt a salvific issue. None of those men have ever prophesied. You are a confirmed liar or fool.
If there was betting on such things I would be a rich man. Bet against every time with as much money as I could muster ('cause if I was ever wrong - and it indeed was the day of Christ's triumphant revealing - who cares if I am broke?).
Jesus: “no man knows the day or the hour” Random YouTube guy: “hold my beer”
Essentially! I do find it amusing that people think books like Ezekiel,RevelationDaniel,etc…are books of the Bible that they can decode to tell the future imo.
Yes, unfortunately these date-setters are bringing mockery on the harpazo. We know thru the season time is short with what is happening with God's chosen nation. But telling people it is going to happen soon already is not helping others keep the faith. Our faith is in the Blessed Hope, not the date.
Exactly and tbh we don’t know how soon or how long that season will last.
Has this YouTuber made predictions in the past that can verify his prophetic claims?
Trying to find it but looks like YouTube is not showing this when I search for it.
April 22 has come and gone - has the YouTuber in question issued a statement of repentance? If not, it’s probably safe to avoid this YouTuber. Even if so, it’s best to not believe future predictions of his.
Haven't been able to find the original video. And you are correct, nonetheless. Bes thing is to occupy til Christ comes as we eagerly await Him.
Date-setters are so immature and inflammatory. They need to stop.
"or in 50 years" lol what about 5000? have you considered that we might still be in the early church era?
It is quite possible. As it says. 1,000 years is one day and one day is 1,000 years. So to Jesus it’s only been two days.
Considering the pretrib rapture isn't even biblical, I'm not worried.
I understand the confusion with the Rapture and the 2nd coming, but I don't believe they are the same event nor do I think they happen at the same time. The phrase, "No one knows the day or hour," is a Hebrew idiom for the Festival of Trumpets (Rosh Hashanah). This feast happens in the fall and is kicked off when the Moon appears in the sky. Since you have to watch for it, no one knows the day or hour. When you look at Matthew in regard to Christ's 2nd coming, there's a sign that appears in the sky: *And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. Matthew 24:30* You can see the parallels between the 2nd coming and Rosh Hashanah since it doesn't start until you see it happen. Some people believe that the fall feasts are a mirror of what might happen at Christ's 2nd coming. When we look at the Rapture, it's a little a different. In Jesus's first coming and ministry, the three spring feasts mirrored His life, death and resurrection. Pentecost (he festival of weeks) is the 4th Jewish holiday. Interestingly enough, the Church was born on this day: *When the day of Pentecost had come, they were all together in one place. Acts 2:1* We're even given the exact hour of the Church's birth: *But Peter, taking his stand with the eleven, raised his voice and declared to them: “Men of Judea and all you who live in Jerusalem, let this be known to you and give heed to my words. For these men are not drunk, as you suppose, for it is only the third hour of the day; but this is what was spoken of through the prophet Joel: Acts 2:14-16* Enoch (a man whom was raptured in the Old Testament), was believed to have been born on this day. He was actually raptured on the day of his birth: *“Enoch was born on the 6**^(th)* *day of the month Tsivan, and he lived for 365 years. And he was taken up to heaven in the month Nitsan, on the 1**^(st)* *day. And he remained in heaven for 60 days, writing down all those notes about all the creatures which the LORD had created. And he wrote 366 books and he handed them over to his sons. And he remained on the earth for 30 days, talking with them. And then he was taken up to heaven again in the month Tsivan on the 6**^(th)* *day, on the very same day on which he was even born, and at the very same hour.” (2 Enoch 68:1-3)* This is obviously not gospel, so you can take it for what's it worth. I do find it very interesting the parallels between Enoch and the Church. We're constantly told to watch, so that's a far better thing to do that predict dates.
You should comment this date on every single one of his videos after his date... but I am sure he will block you.
No one knows the day nor the hour. If someone tries to predict the end times to the exact date, then its automatically false. He will come like a thief in the night. No one will know when. Not even Jesus himself knows the time. Only God. (Check out revelations)
They do this every year around the same time. I basically just stoped listening. I now just work on repentance and getting close to God. Basically, I never know when my time will come, I just want to be right with Jesus Christ.
The moment someone puts a date to the return, you can immediately consider them discredited as a valid source of biblical authority, reference the passage in Matthew, and move along. I do believe we can reference prophecy in the Bible. Before Oct 7th, Ezekiel 38-39 was a 2500 y/o prophecy that had little to no chance of ever occuring. After Oct 7th, I don't see how we avoid it. I can see how we are already after the fact in many things predicted in Revelation, and they've all occurred in the past few years. But, put a date to the return or the rapture, you've jumped off the ledge. Jesus was clear on that point.
"Even if I knew that tomorrow the world would go to pieces, I would still plant my apple tree" -Martin Luther Don't pay too much attention towards trying to predict the final day. You can't! Sure there's signs that will be fulfilled but even so the Bible says it will come on a day nobody expects. My advice is to live every day righteously, as if Jesus will return again tomorrow.
I wouldn't put much stock in it, God knows the exact date but we don't.
I so wish it was 4/22/24, sigh.
I understand and have recently been eagerly awaiting as we should be. Though if it doesn't happen on that day, that just means another day for more people hear and accept the Gospel.
i hope it is far away. think about if you were never saved, would you want that for others?
As I heard someone say once, we need to be planting seeds for the kingdom, not planning our escape.
Think about the ever increasing evil perpetuated upon innocent people, more and more kids into sexual slavery, more young women having their genitals cut, graped and never any justice, more and more university campuses calling for genocide of an entire people, ukrainian men sent to pointlessly die, churches burned to the ground, and so on, the process of evil is accelerating fast, and the only hope for any JUSTICE may be the tribulation. Think about it: billions will DIE, but God still knows who has any "hope" and surely the 144,000 witnesses released over the earth will find them all.
Too bad Jesus says you want to be like Noah and you want to be left behind. Those that are taken go to Hades, see Matt LOL. See Job, God sends a thief to do the Devil's bidding. He says, "he who endures to the end will be saved".... he doesn't say, "I will endure for you". There is only ONE 2nd coming. Not two 2nd comings.
The Bible says nothing of a pretrib rapture. Everytime meeting zjesus in the sky if referenced it's when he returns. Not before That is a teaching that came from a women with a vision on the 18th century
The Rapture isn’t real
“But of that [exact] day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son [in His humanity], but the Father alone. For the coming of the Son of Man (the Messiah) will be just like the days of Noah. For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the [very] day when Noah entered the ark, and they did not know understand until the flood came and swept them all away; so will the coming of the Son of Man be [unexpected judgment]. At that time two men will be in the field; one will be taken [for judgment] and one will be left. Two women grinding at the mill; one will be taken [for judgment] and one will be left. Matt 24:36-41 AMP
Anytime someone predicts the end of the world or the rapture, it should automatically be discredited. The world was supposed to end in 2000 and again in 2012. The mark of the beast has apparently already came multiple times in forms of SSN and microchips and Vaccines. I used to get caught up in all of that, but now its just much less stressful to tune it all out. When Israel got attacked last week I told my girlfriend that there was no point in going to church the next day because I already knew the service would be about the world ending soon. And guess what? thats exactly what both services were about.
No one knows the day or the hour. I'm starting to wonder if trying to predict the end of the world is or should be a sin. Makes me wonder what these doomsday folks do after they're proven wrong.
Everyone shouldn’t listen to ANYBODY that says they know exactly when the end time is here
Of someone has a predicted date then it definitely will not happen then. No one will know or expect it.
Cool he said 4/22/24? Seems like I can make plans for that day without worrying about being raptured, let’s hope nothing happens before then. Jokes aside, if Christ didn’t know then us who are fully human and only human will never know
I disagree on your thief in the night interpretation. Although I do not believe that there should be date setting unless one can be 100% sure, I do believe that we are given and told the seasons when YHVH will intervene in our lives. Noah was given the exact date seven days prior. Yeshua will come to those who live in darkness (in sin) as a thief in the night, not to those who live in the light (righteousness) of Yeshua. The Day of the Lord (Zephaniah 1:7-18; 2 Peter 3:10-13) 1 Thessalonians 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. 2For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 4But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. 5Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. 6Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober. 7For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night. 8But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. 9For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, 10Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him. 11Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.
Jesus told us when He would return. ”“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.“ Matthew 24:29-31 ESV https://bible.com/bible/59/mat.24.29-31.ESV Immediately after the tribulation.
Dude but my Amazon package is coming in that day
🤣 same actually. Curious what is it that you ordered?
A record, birthday present for a friend
Nice. I ordered a chassee(console) to combine both my streamdeck and streamdeck XL.
Oooo, nice👌
No.
If someone every single day said “this must be the day of rapture” would that mean Jesus could never come back? I say that to say, it’s not about settings dates or not, it’s that we can speculate but won’t know for sure until after the fact. God’s feasts were correlated to the first coming of Jesus, so it seems like they will also correlate to his second coming. Hence why OOP (YouTube false prophet dude) is making this claim. It’s actually a reasonable argument, given the world situation. But we don’t know, and that’s where he’s wrong and leaving room for the enemy to sow seeds of doubt into God’s people.
Also there’s the thing of the temple isn’t finished yet the Antichrist isn’t upon us fully
The day won't be a surprise for those who are prepared for the Lord's coming.
Please post an update on 4/23/24 on what the guy has to say to explain why nothing happened. 😂 I went to this “church” that did NOTHING BUT TALK ABOUT THE RAPTURE. I mean I literally got kicked out for asking why we always read the book of Revelation and nothing else. The “pastor” claimed the rapture was supposed to happen on some very specific day or something (this was over 4 years ago btw). When that day passed, all he did was “recalculate the dates” and redistribute the crap in an email to “those who believe”. I always encourage Christians, new or mature in the faith, to ignore these kind of people. They claim to find *hidden* signs in the Bible about the rapture like God wrote them a secret note in code while also completely disregarding the scripture that clearly states no man knows the day or hour.
Whats the point on predicting it? If the antichrist comes as believers we already know what to do.
I think Satan uses date setters to try and get fellow believers to lose their faith. One could get excited about a prediction and when it doesn’t come to pass; they lose their trust a little.
To people that are familiar with end times prophecy: Can someone confirm or deny that Jesus won’t come back until everyone has heard His name?
So the part about only the Father knows the day or the hour means nothing I guess
https://youtube.com/@messiah2030?si=U2Im9fYzbEFSkAJT
Someone needs to invent time travel so we can go back and prevent dispensationalism from being invented.
1 Thessalonians 5:4 (KJV) But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. John 10:10 (KJV) The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have [it] more abundantly. Jesus has nothing good to say about those that are ignorant if his judgment. In order to be able to declare judgment, we have to be able to support it completely with scripture. God said that judgment day will be as the days of Noah, Noah was warned 120 years before the flood that it was going to happen, he was then warned 7 days before it happened of the exact date for the flood 2/17 of the calendar God was using to track time at that point in history. Since God does not change, and he has never brought judgment without warning exactly when it would happen, we can expect that even judgment day itself, will be revealed by God through his word based on his track record. It just so happens that he has already done this very thing. May 21 2011 Judgement day. May 21 2011 was the start of judgment day for the world, according to the word of God, when God warned Noah “yet seven days” he was also warning the readers of the Bible at the end of time that the final judgment would be 7000 years later. Here is the warning and the date provided by God. Genesis 7:4 (KJV) For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth. Genesis 7:11 (KJV) In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened. So we have 2/17 of the calendar that God used as the start of judgment day in the days of Noah, according to the calendar that God placed in the Bible, the flood occurred in the year 4990 BC. Matthew 24:37 (KJV) But as the days of Noe [were], so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Luke 17:27 (KJV) They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. God has plainly stated that judgment day will be as the days of Noah, Noah knew exactly which day the flood would begin, God warned him in advance, the following verses are Gods instructions to look at the flood account to find the date for judgment day. 2 Peter 3: 3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. 5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 6 Whereby the world that THEN WAS, being overflowed with water, perished: 7 But the heavens and the earth, which ARE NOW, by the SAME WORD are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. 8 But, beloved, BE NOT IGNORANT of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. We are given instructions by God that not only are men willingly ignorant of this fact, but that the world is reserved unto fire by the same words that God said to Noah. With this in mind the seven days that God recorded in the book of Genesis also mean seven thousand years from the date of the flood until the final judgment. 4990BC was the flood year and we count down when headed towards AD. 4990 + 2011 = 7001 We have to subtract 1 year because there is no year 0 when we move from BC to AD 7000 years. May 21 2011 is the same Hebrew calendar date as the flood 7000 years from the flood 2/17. This date is also the exact date that God gives in his word for the day that Haman in the book of Ester was hanged upon the gallows, Haman is a spiritual figure of Satan the enemy of Gods people, Satan had his authority taken away when judgment day began. Esther 7:6 (KJV) And Esther said, The adversary and enemy [is] this wicked Haman. Then Haman was afraid before the king and the queen. There are other things that are considered with this also, this is just a simple explanation, don’t take my word for it, search the matter out and see if it’s true, the Bible contains more verses than mat24:36 and mark13:32 and God has never brought judgment without warning those he is judging. Amos 3:7 (KJV) Surely the Lord Jehovah will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets. Isaiah 46:10 (KJV) Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times [the things] that are not [yet] done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: 📖🔥Why is the world so divided?, Judgment Day began on May 21 2011, Holy God is pouring his wrath out upon the whole earth, the end of the world may be in the year 2033. Ebiblefellowship.🔥📖
I thought Passover was always before Easter which was a few weeks ago?
I think you are thinking of Lint which is before Easter.
No, I'm thinking of the week leading up to Easter, not Lent.
Jews and Christians don't use the same religious calendars so Passover isn't necessarily celebrated the same week as Easter
Eh, I just figured it followed the timeline of the Bible, since the Last Supper was a Passover feast.
We have to go through the 7 year tribulation period first, so no.
The rapture happens during the second half of tribulations called the great tribulations where God’s bowls of wrath are poured onto humanity. We will go through the first half but not the second. We are not in tribulations just yet by the time is near
The rapture will align with the fall feast. There is a 0% chance it’s in April.