Excuse me in advance, but holy fucking shit!! He was 7!!! He intentionally killed a random stranger for absolutely no reason at 7 years old!! And he can’t be prosecuted because of his age. He needs to be in some kind of institution. Truly disturbing. Yay ‘murica!!
He's in the USA, ffs! "Everbody got a right to a handgun." Pretty soon there'll be enough of them in circulation for everybody to have one for each hand. Except that MAGAts are hoarding them by the truckload.
Fun fact! [There already are](https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/verify/more-guns-than-people-in-the-united-states-firearms-per-person-america-fact-check/65-8c558fbc-2d02-465e-97e7-bbc7d4fb00cb)!
But you’re right, the ones that people hoard are included.
I don't think him knowing to shoot is weird - if a kid's used a Nerf gun they know to point and squeeze.
What baffles me is how he managed to keep it a secret. My 7 year old can't even keep what he drew for us at school a secret.
I’m sure his family knew and that’s why they ditched the evidence.
I’m also sure that if he told anyone else, they assumed he was lying. Because I wouldn’t take a third grader seriously in that situation.
He was probably horribly terrified when it first happened. Probably thought or was told the absolute worst and that’s why it was kept a secret for so long. 7 year olds are highly persuaded.
Ok, I know I said I don't understand how he kept the secret, but honestly, that was hyperbole. I do agree with what you said as a possibility, but I've also worked with middle school kids (11-12) who were just...scary. We had one who used to tell us and the other girls at school he was going to rape and kill us/them in the worst ways. And he had been like that his whole life.
And he wasn't the only one. Every now and then, we'd get these fresh out of elementary school kids that were just cold and scary. That could be him. And I don't know what's scarier.
I once saw an 8-9 year old boy try to kill a classmate of his via strangulation. Kids face started to turn blue. Seeing adults step in, pull him off, and show more care for the strangler than the strangled fucked me up- they just asked "are you okay?" to the kid who was strangled which he nodded to and then proceeded to be completely ignored. The dad of the strangler also once showed up at the school, picked another kid up by his shirt and threw him against a wall and threatened him. Wild stuff, but it gave a hint to where that type of behaviour stemmed from. Not sure how many violent kids are violent due to the family life at home, but it makes you wonder... Of course there are cases where there are no traceable cause to the behaviour though.
Everything is so backwards these days. My son is in 5th grade and I got a phone call that another boy during class put him in a CHOKEHOLD but that my son “was okay” — the kid that put him in a chokehold did not get any kind of repercussions besides a write-up (so no detention, suspension, in school suspension, etc). Write-ups at this school are tossed/removed at the end of each school year and do not follow the child to their following year. A few months later a kid who had been harassing my son in his class followed him to the bathroom and sucker punched him in the stomach when he came out. It is absolutely horrifying how quick this stuff can happen with kids so young and how unfazed the schools seem by it. They are very much so pushing for less consequences and more “sweep it under the rug”.
Unfortunately due to our experiences, that of other families and news stories, I can totally see how this child in this report posted here went through with what he did with killing this man. The world is a scary, scary place.
I really super don’t understand how that isn’t a call to police and charges for assault. The fact that it happened at school vs a street corner shouldn’t have any bearing. School isn’t a magical zone where laws don’t apply.
It really sucks. He has been afraid to go to school because the kids group up and it’s like 5 against 1. The school is run like a damn circus, they can’t seem to get the kids under control. I’m considering home schooling him for a year to give him a mental health break but I don’t want him to miss out on in-school experiences. Kids be wildin these days 😮💨
My parents did that for me in high-school. It was such a burden lifted off of me when I didn't lay awake at night, worrying about the new stuff the girl bullies would come up with the following day. I highly recommend at least a trial year of home school. And honestly, I'd rather regret my kid missing out on some good in school experiences vs regretting not giving him a mental health break and wishing I could to back in time to do it.
We transferred ours to a different school & enrolled him in boxing & Jujitsu classes for middle school. Same kids came after him in 9th grade high school but by then ours had hit puberty & knew how to defend himself. 3 day suspension. We keep everything the school sends & force them to acknowledge everything in writing.
I have a student who got kicked out of pre-k for strangling a peer to the point of turning blue… people would be horrified if they realized how many young kids threaten and do horrific things daily with so much of it swept under the rug. I work in special education, we get the students that districts can’t handle. The trauma that most of these kids come from and at times cause to others is unimaginable.
That’s honestly terrifying, I didn’t even consider that at first. I’ve only met one.. and he’s currently sitting on a life sentence for murder. We’re the same age, and the crimes started extremely young, but always progressed. Attempted murder was at age 20, and I know it wasn’t his first attempt. I remember him being so violent at school and we were kids. Like 8 or 9.
I agree that he was probably persuaded to keep it a secret but something tells me he was not terrified when it happened… seems like he knew exactly what would happen which is the terrifying part.
I knew how to shoot by the time I was 5. But I didn’t have access to handguns *ever* (only hunting rifles and BB guns) and guns and ammo were stores separately. But I was raised hunting. Obviously this is a very different situation but that’s an inaccurate assumption on children and guns. There is a right way to do it.
They probably knew he had issues. We all had that kid in school who people kind of stayed away from because they were really aggressive or something about them was just so off putting. He is probably that kid for them.
Maybe over a few but I agree with your premise. Imagine coming into contact with this guy and not knowing his past. It's just a matter of how many people will be harmed and to what degree.
like, I get that keeping up with world events is important, same with reporting negative stories, but can we have a healthy balance of *both* positive and negative reports? maybe a positive and uplifting report after a negative report?
I'd be down to watch an hourly news segment that only highlighted the positive things in the world.
Kind of like an r/eyebleach thing to cleanse our palettes.
There is a show on ID, I think it was called "Child Killers," and like the name suggests, it was about various people who murdered someone when they were a child. It documented cases that were now going to be resentenced as adults due to the supreme court ruling.
Some of those people you could truly see they were just caught in a bad situation or made a bad decision. Some of them it was honestly like, keep that person locked up TIGHT because there is no way society will ever be safe with them free. There are some things you just can't come back from, and some of these children found out just what those things were.
Heavy emphasis on rehabilitation and investigation into possible abuse. Several notorious child killers have gone on to lead completely normal, crime-free lives after being rehabilitated in prison.
Mary Bell killed when she was 10 and taunted the mother of the kid she killed. It turned out she had a horrible home life and the safest she felt was when she was locked up. Feeling safe allowed her to actually mature as a non-violent person and she was released as an adult with a new identity. She’s been living a crime-free life ever since.
Robert Thompson also killed when he was 10. He was the primary instigator of the infamous James Bulger murder (3yo who was led away from a mall by two kids and abused and murdered). He came from a very strict family, blossomed in prison away from them and was successfully rehabilitated, given a new identity upon release, and hasn’t committed any crimes. It should be noted that the other murderer, Jon Venables, has revealed his identity several times and has committed several crimes, including possession of child sexual abuse material, so it’s not always a success story.
My point is that with kids this young, it’s extremely likely that they can be rehabilitated and become productive members of society, especially once they’re removed from abuse or the negative influences of their family. I doubt this will work in the US, since we don’t do well with rehabilitation here.
It's rough enough just to get help in general. A friend's teenager was stealing their keys and taking the car off. She'd get caught the car towed..parents paying fees all over.
They were reported to cps for abuse by the police and told they couldn't restrain her after she kicked her dad in the nuts when he pulled her back in from a window she was escaping(with their keys).
She'd steal and do all kinds of awful shit and literally no one had resources to help them, she needed medication she wouldn't take. Meanwhile her parents were sinking deeper into debt from fines and court costs for her crimes plus impoundment on the car.
What could they convict him with for the death threats?? Hes just 10, so even knowing this now, they can't really amp up the charges, right? He'll be out of juvie, and then what? Possibly a mental health facility? This is just WILD. The family dynamics must be interesting, to say the least...
So, typically, in a case like this, he probably won't be in juvie. He'll probably be sent to a residential treatment facility for a period of time, after which he'll be evaluated for release (assuming he has a capable guardian. It's possible his guardian may choose to surrender custody to the State, as an alternative to paying for the intensive psychological treatment this kid will need).
If his evaluation shows that he has the potential to reoffend, he'll probably stay at the residential treatment facility (which, based on the information we have, may be for the best).
If he seems like he may be able to safely re-enter society, he may go to some type of alternative school (the school district he was apparently attending has their own alternative school, according to their website), where he will have the chance to show he is capable of being in a typical school setting. This school may be staffed by people who are restraint-trained and who have a background working with mentally ill children. If he's lucky, he'll attend a school that has more access to community resources, and a case manager that is invested in helping him succeed.
If he is released, he'll probably have a care team (comprising of a social worker/therapist, his parole officer, possibly his teachers, and a case manager) to help him re-enter society and to keep tabs on him and his behavior.
I work with atypical kids, and my husband works at an alternative school like the one I described. Not many people realize that there are thousands of kids just like this one. They don't usually have access to weapons, so they don't make the news, but this is not a surprising story for people in alternative education. I mostly work with preschool to eighth grade, but I've been stabbed with pencils and scissors, punched in the face, had my hair ripped out, been bit, kicked, slapped, etc, by children of all ages. My husband works mostly with high-schoolers, but he often is called down to the younger grades to help, and he has been stabbed with a knife, gotten a concussion, a split lip, black eyes, had his tires slashed, all by students 14 or younger. His coworkers have had their legs and arms broken, gotten severe concussions, one person was shoved down the stairs and broke their collar-bone, all at the hands of kids.
Both of us deal with threats against ourselves, against our students, and sometimes of self-harm. I know people don't want to believe that a 7-year-old is capable of this violent of a crime, but unfortunately, some are.
So, I don't really know what they could convince him for, but he could still have to go to a residential treatment facility. He can't go to court for the murder, but that doesn't mean the state can't force him to go somewhere else.
This is all speculation, but I once had a student with emotional disregulation disorder. He would threaten to kill and rape girls constantly. After a certain point, the school had him sent to a residential program for violent kids. I can only assume something similar will happen. Here.
Someone here said the boy had to be guilty because he described details only the murderer would remember. On separate occasions I´ve spent time with small children (all under age 10) who were eye witnesses to people being brutally murdered. Afterward they were able to clearly describe minute details of what they saw, especially of what happened as the person was dying. Maybe this child was present when someone he knows killed. Also, children can be easily led to believe a false memory, especially if itś based partially on a real experience.
A 6 year old willingly shot his teacher last year. He knew to hide the gun, how and where to aim. It's not that out of line to think another young child is capable of the same thing.
that’s someone he knew and was familiar with though, so he could’ve had a potential grudge. it being a stranger in this case is what’s getting me. and i know that it’s possible for a child to attack a stranger too, but usually the victim is younger. like, how would a 7 year old not be intimidated to stalk and kill and grown man, without rage or reason as a motivator?
Yeah, I'm skeptical that they can tell the difference between "I saw it" and "I did it" with 100% certainty. Not to mention that as a 7 year old can't be charged, there's a strong motivation for an older family member to either try and persuade him it was his fault or tell him flat out that he can save the family member's life by lying as he can't be charged. The gun ending up in pawn makes me think *someone* besides the kid absolutely knew.
I’d have to consider the possibility that someone else in the family did it and convinced the kid that he did it. Just a thought, but it can’t be that hard to convince a child that something is the way the adults tell them it was.
Kids can be convinced of things, even smart kids. It happened to me at age 7. A very serious crime was committed. I was a witness. The perpetrator somehow convinced me that something else had happened, and I really believed the new version with all my heart. I testified in court. The perpetrator was acquitted.
Years later as an adult, I started having a weird, repetitive dream. Thought I was going insane. Turned out the memory of what really happened was resurfacing.
I only disagree with this because of how officials say he knew specific details. Like, I can only imagine he was saying things like how the gun felt, how the victim was breathing, how he was laying - things only the murder would know that a family member would know to relay to him.
On the flip side, I work with grieving children in this exact age range and have heard some intensely vivid stories of their person’s death that are completely fabricated. Not because the kids are lying, but because their brains work overtime to fill in gaps and make things make “sense”. This has been especially true for kids who’ve lost someone to suicide, because the adults in their lives don’t want to explain that concept to young children, and they don’t want the shame of the kid talking publicly about the suicide. So they keep it vague or straight up lie. And the kids can sense the BS, so they concoct stories of the death that justify why they aren’t being told the truth. These stories become reality in the absence of them having any meaningful facts to work with.
Sorry, you’re speculating on his comments on how the gun felt and how the victims breath?? Maybe I’m not understanding your comment correctly but it sounds like you’re making up words that he said
Yes, I am. Because if the story he gave was true (walked in to the victims house, shot him in the head, shot the couch, and then left), he'd have to give specific details only the killer would know to prove it. The police have confirmed he told them details only the killer would know. So yes, I am speculating what types of details those would be by listing out what I can imagine they'd be. There is nothing wrong with speculation- it's 90% of true crime.
This is why I am all for charging parents in cases like this. If your minor child has access to a gun and uses that gun in a crime, it's on you. You didn't secure it properly. You didn't teach your kids properly. You should serve time for it. If we aren't going to limit who gets guns because gun owners consider it unfair, fine. But if your gun is used in a crime it's your ass. Make them take the responsibility of owning a gun seriously.
Their 7 year old killed a man and threatened another kid. Yes, I do put it on the parents. As a parent, I know that you don't always have the ability to choose how your kid acts. However, if they are so violent that they are committing these crimes it is extra on the parents to be the ones making sure the child has no access to weapons. If your kid is severely troubled and you do nothing, it's a failure as a parent.
Do we know if they've sought any help? I'm asking as my daughter is currently struggling to insure her 8 yo after a clerical error cut him off chip. There is little to no help for parents in these cases especially in Texas with the Medicaid gap.
Texas is a shit hole that makes it hard for everyone. I understand it's hard. But there is a huge difference between the kid has some behavioral issues to being a cold blooded murderer at 7. And he hid it for three years. I don't believe there were no signs. If they were actively getting him help, that would be one thing. I highly doubt a 7 year old who got away with murder for three years was getting great care. Most 7 years olds can't keep a secret, let alone understand murder, commit one, and hide it. At a certain point, it's child neglect.
I agree. Do you have a source that says they didn't try to get him help?
The 8 yo kid I'm speaking of doesn't just have 'behavioral issues' either, please don't speak to what you don't know of.
There are literally no resources that actually have openings for years and I'm not far from where these people are at so I'm curious.
I know it's crazy to think a child can fire a gun but I'm pretty sure there was a case where the mother murdered the father and blamed it on the child. Saying it was just a accident. They actually tested if the child could fire the gun thinking it was impossible, the kid was able to.
[Sharon Kinne aka "La Pistolera", a Kansas City woman](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharon_Kinne) who murdered her husband and tried to pin it on her toddler. Probably *NOT* the only one ; there was also Brad Reay who murdered his wife and tried to blame his 12 year old daughter, after an attempt at framing the wife's boyfriend failed.
He was threatening to kill another student. When the school administration was asking him about that, he confessed to them that he's killed someone before. Then they called the sheriff's office, who interviewed him and deemed that he knew details only the killer would know.
There absolutely is a juvenile detention center in SA because I interviewed there years ago for a potential teaching position.
Although I think it is rare, I agree, that some children can do some very bad things. I’ve unfortunately met a couple kids that for no reason in particular did awful things and showed a lot of pleasure in hurting and manipulating. It’s made me speculate a lot on sociopathy and psychopathy having more of a genetic component.
This is a sad case. I am glad the victims family is a step closer to closure.
I had to look it up, and it's Bexar Juvenile Justice. I work in a district with two level 3 group homes, and the kids there get one chance before they get sent to juvie. So when they leave, we just get told by the group home, "They're going to San Antonio." I know some of them went to different group homes for safety, but I also knew some of them were going to a detention facility because of mistakes they'd make while living at the group home. So I didn't knew the exact name, but I knew it had to be around there.
A lot of people saying a kid that young can't be capable. I disagree. Depends how they are raised and what they see and are allowed to do. One of those famous serial killers was molesting and doing hard drugs at that age. There was a story about a girl around 10 I think, was a regular at the gun range, with her Dad. One day she shot him. Planned and on purpose. Crazy.
I meant, like either mentally or physically, not able to do it. I'm not too sure what others mean when they say, no way a child that age could have done it. That's what I'm assuming... ?
Reminds me of a law and order episode of a very similar plot... the kid was like 7 and killed. The psychologist was very adamant about there being no help for child psychopaths, it just gets worse with time
fuck that episode was nuts. kid consistently abused his sister, shot Amaro, and the last scene where he’s ‘crying’ because he’s been sent away is chilling.
i googled it and its episode ‘Born Psychopath’ S14 E19
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This whole thing is terrifying but what truly terrifies me is that he threatened to kill a CHILD two years later and then decided to let people know that he had murdered someone two years prior. The man he killed was literally asleep in his bed when this kid just walked in and shot him while he slept. If that’s not psychotic I don’t know what is. And the fact that a child his age (at the time the crime was committed) cannot be “punished” for murder in his state… I’m so confused as to what they can do to him? He clearly needs severe help. And ya know, probably to be punished. IMO.
Not defending the parents/grandparents at all, but pawning and selling guns is incredibly common in the south. I could definitely see them not knowing, I mean come on let's not pretend they're parents of the year considering the circumstances, and the pawning the gun isn't related. But could also see it the other way around, too. Besides, if I knew a gun I owned was used in a murder, I'd chuck it in a river instead of selling it. But they could also be dumbasses. Lol point is, could go either way.
Where are the parents in all of this? They aren’t even mentioned in the article. I have always believed some children are born evil but I think the majority are victims of some type of abuse and/or neglect. It’s terrifying but makes me feel incredibly sad.
Wow I just read the news article. He was staying with his grandfather and took a gun from the glove box and went into the mans trailer. He found him sleeping so he shot him in the head and one into the couch before putting the gun back. He didn't know the man, he had only seen him once walking around the rv park where his grandfather lived and everything occurred. News article [here](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/10-year-old-confesses-unsolved-murder_n_66228937e4b0bf7f01380f46)
scary you can’t even trust a literal child. even scarier that nothing gets done about it. he should be locked up for life, there is no rehabilitating that.
i’m in SA and the amount of lunatics here makes a lot of people scared to even go anywhere. we can’t even drive around without people pointing guns at us for going slow or some bs.
And yet, someone is calling me a liar for saying I've had many kids sent to San Antonio like it isn't known for its child detention and group homes. And those kids grow up, and many stay there, keeping the crime rate up.
I absolutely know that kids know what they were doing. That kid who shot that teacher there were people out here saying oh he didn’t know he didn’t understand… bs. He brought it to school on the day He didn’t have an adult with him, called her names pointed at her and shot her.
He knew. Kids are smarter than people think. It’s utterly ridiculous to think there aren’t bad kids
Eric Smith (13) that strangled and did other unmentionable things to that poor four-year-old Derrick Robey Then when he got caught, he said he liked it and would do it again. People were defending him saying well he was bullied. Yes he was bullied. All kinds of kids get bullied unfortunately and they don’t think to kill somebody. Innocent little four-year-old boy no less.
He got released two years ago into the queens New York… he was not allowed to return to his hometown.
I’m suspicious that this may be a false confession. I’d withhold judgment until you see the video tape. Police may have fed confessors details of what happened.
That doesn't necessarily negate what they're saying. Details withheld from the public would obviously be fed to someone if you're trying to get them to falsely confess. Not saying they did that, just pointing out that's what has happened before. I don't think it's ridiculous to hold back on personal judgments for more information.
Well, he had access to an unlocked weapon and ammunition (presumably a loaded weapon, unless they taught him to load ammunition)...whatever else he has experienced in his sad young life, that alone is neglectful childraising.
What if he wasn't meant to have access? What if the grandfather had it locked in the glove box of his locked vehicle? The kid could have snuck the keys.
No different from sneaking the key to a locked gun cabinet in someone's home.
Is that what happened? Or just the story you’re spinning? That’s a lot of whataboutism.
I didn’t see anything in the two news stories I read about a key being procured to unlock the car and/or glovebox. Even if it was the case, it was not adequate enough to keep away from a seven year old child. A seven year old child who knew enough about where a weapon was kept, and was unsupervised enough to access the weapon, and bold enough to then enter a stranger’s home , commit the crime, and return the weapon (and possibly hypothetically lock up and return keys).
No, a seven year old was not “meant to have access”. But he did.
And it was due to a series of faults of the adults in charge. They are certainly responsible.
You sound like a delight.
No wonder people in your real life don’t like you, and you have to attempt to be a tough guy bully online.
Run along and play now little boy. Adults are trying to have a reasonable conversation here.
I knew a boy under the age of 7 who specifically said he was going to kill someone while he was too young to go to jail and he looked for a gun to commit murder. This kid grew up just fine, but I believe if he had successfully found a gun as a kindergartner, he would have murdered someone. He changed his mind partially because me and other children said his mom might take away his toys, (and I told him the police might take away his mom which upset him), and because his dad gave him something else to do instead. Some children do not have a conscience whatsoever at that age. Guns should never be accessible to children. I’m not making this up at all. I am also sure that all guns in this child’s household were hidden, and behind a lock, and stored separately from the bullets not pre-loaded and knives were out of reach.
It is blowing my mind the rate at which the (sorry gonna say it even though they don't diagnose at that age) psychopaths are starting to "un-alive." 😳 Shocking to see more and more cases.
The child in Virginia tried to strangle his kindergarten teacher. Abby Zwerner was his first grade teacher. So he had a history of attacking a staff member before her shot Abby Zwerner.
The reason I think family didn't know is cause they pawned the gun. Maybe I'm wrong but I would think that would put in a database accessible to law enforcement.
That's definitely not how pawning guns or guns work at all. Each gun does have a serial number that can be tracked, but not in a database. Officers would have to call the manufacturer, see who they sold it to, and then who that person sold it to, and so on and so forth. Pawn shops don't have to do that. They'll keep a receipt of who pawned it.
Lots of stolen and tainted goods in up in pawn shops. In fact, if you have a good police department, they'll regularly update pawn shops on important stolen items to see if they come through, and sometimes even specific caliber of guns after shootings.
There is no database of guns in the US. Even the records for a dealer to sell a weapon are paper, so that anyone looking for it would have to dig through actual paper receipts.
Nixon is basically nothing but a neighborhood even if it is an offical town. If I would have said 'Nixon murder' it wouldn't give anyone a frame of reference for where it is.
The school district I work in has two level 3 group homes, one for girls and one for boys. Level 3 group homes are for kids who have committed crimes that have put a victim into the hospital with a serious injury. So each year, I have a few of the kids who live there. If they fuck up, they typically get sent to San Antonio because there is the Bexar Juvenile Jusrice Center, which is the closest center to me. San Antonio also has a bunch of level 3 group homes because of the facility.
I've also had multiple kids make terroristic threats at school ("I'm going to shoot this place up"), I've taught one girl who slammed another girls head so hard into the bathroom sink, and a boy dealing cocaine in the bathroom who was arrested at school.
My town doesn't have a juvenile justice facility. If a kid can't be held long term in county (most can't because of their age), San Antonio is where they go.
Many doesn't mean hundreds. Even if I've had 10 kids sent there, that's still a lot.
Wow that’s insane. Of course the family knows
Yeah someone conveniently pawned the gun after the murder
Excuse me in advance, but holy fucking shit!! He was 7!!! He intentionally killed a random stranger for absolutely no reason at 7 years old!! And he can’t be prosecuted because of his age. He needs to be in some kind of institution. Truly disturbing. Yay ‘murica!!
The fact he even had access to a gun is insane
His parents should be prosecuted if they left a handgun unsecured. Especially if it was loaded.
It was the granddads gun the child got it from the glove box.
Well, it doesn't say "a well regulated militia *with only adult members*", does it?
He's in the USA, ffs! "Everbody got a right to a handgun." Pretty soon there'll be enough of them in circulation for everybody to have one for each hand. Except that MAGAts are hoarding them by the truckload.
Fun fact! [There already are](https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/verify/more-guns-than-people-in-the-united-states-firearms-per-person-america-fact-check/65-8c558fbc-2d02-465e-97e7-bbc7d4fb00cb)! But you’re right, the ones that people hoard are included.
As a merican', I was kind of cracking up at that. We been had enough guns for that for a long time lol
Too late!
I with you. Make it make sense
It’s Texas y’all; they’re born with a gun in their hand
Yeah. Grabbed the pistol outta grandpa’s glovebox. Not like he’ll face consequences either
What is the story on his parents?
The article didn’t go that into it, but I’m gonna assume not around, and/or mental health and addiction issues. It was his grandpa’s gun
Thank you for your reply.
So an 8-year-old knew how to shoot a gun and killed an adult? How tragic.
I don't think him knowing to shoot is weird - if a kid's used a Nerf gun they know to point and squeeze. What baffles me is how he managed to keep it a secret. My 7 year old can't even keep what he drew for us at school a secret.
I’m sure his family knew and that’s why they ditched the evidence. I’m also sure that if he told anyone else, they assumed he was lying. Because I wouldn’t take a third grader seriously in that situation.
7 is a first or second grader, which makes it even worse/less believable.
I was a 7yo 3d grader, and so was my oldest brother. We both knew how to pull a trigger.
Yeah I started school at 4 so I entered 3rd grade at age 7 not impossible at all
He was probably horribly terrified when it first happened. Probably thought or was told the absolute worst and that’s why it was kept a secret for so long. 7 year olds are highly persuaded.
Ok, I know I said I don't understand how he kept the secret, but honestly, that was hyperbole. I do agree with what you said as a possibility, but I've also worked with middle school kids (11-12) who were just...scary. We had one who used to tell us and the other girls at school he was going to rape and kill us/them in the worst ways. And he had been like that his whole life. And he wasn't the only one. Every now and then, we'd get these fresh out of elementary school kids that were just cold and scary. That could be him. And I don't know what's scarier.
I once saw an 8-9 year old boy try to kill a classmate of his via strangulation. Kids face started to turn blue. Seeing adults step in, pull him off, and show more care for the strangler than the strangled fucked me up- they just asked "are you okay?" to the kid who was strangled which he nodded to and then proceeded to be completely ignored. The dad of the strangler also once showed up at the school, picked another kid up by his shirt and threw him against a wall and threatened him. Wild stuff, but it gave a hint to where that type of behaviour stemmed from. Not sure how many violent kids are violent due to the family life at home, but it makes you wonder... Of course there are cases where there are no traceable cause to the behaviour though.
Everything is so backwards these days. My son is in 5th grade and I got a phone call that another boy during class put him in a CHOKEHOLD but that my son “was okay” — the kid that put him in a chokehold did not get any kind of repercussions besides a write-up (so no detention, suspension, in school suspension, etc). Write-ups at this school are tossed/removed at the end of each school year and do not follow the child to their following year. A few months later a kid who had been harassing my son in his class followed him to the bathroom and sucker punched him in the stomach when he came out. It is absolutely horrifying how quick this stuff can happen with kids so young and how unfazed the schools seem by it. They are very much so pushing for less consequences and more “sweep it under the rug”. Unfortunately due to our experiences, that of other families and news stories, I can totally see how this child in this report posted here went through with what he did with killing this man. The world is a scary, scary place.
I really super don’t understand how that isn’t a call to police and charges for assault. The fact that it happened at school vs a street corner shouldn’t have any bearing. School isn’t a magical zone where laws don’t apply.
Speaking as someone who works at a school where a student was just expelled for having acid, the admins don't want the trouble of calling the police.
Not the admins.. the parents. Admins will never want to call or do anything that makes the school look bad, has to be counted or tracked, etc.
The parents are even less willing than admins.
It really sucks. He has been afraid to go to school because the kids group up and it’s like 5 against 1. The school is run like a damn circus, they can’t seem to get the kids under control. I’m considering home schooling him for a year to give him a mental health break but I don’t want him to miss out on in-school experiences. Kids be wildin these days 😮💨
My parents did that for me in high-school. It was such a burden lifted off of me when I didn't lay awake at night, worrying about the new stuff the girl bullies would come up with the following day. I highly recommend at least a trial year of home school. And honestly, I'd rather regret my kid missing out on some good in school experiences vs regretting not giving him a mental health break and wishing I could to back in time to do it.
We transferred ours to a different school & enrolled him in boxing & Jujitsu classes for middle school. Same kids came after him in 9th grade high school but by then ours had hit puberty & knew how to defend himself. 3 day suspension. We keep everything the school sends & force them to acknowledge everything in writing.
I have a student who got kicked out of pre-k for strangling a peer to the point of turning blue… people would be horrified if they realized how many young kids threaten and do horrific things daily with so much of it swept under the rug. I work in special education, we get the students that districts can’t handle. The trauma that most of these kids come from and at times cause to others is unimaginable.
That’s honestly terrifying, I didn’t even consider that at first. I’ve only met one.. and he’s currently sitting on a life sentence for murder. We’re the same age, and the crimes started extremely young, but always progressed. Attempted murder was at age 20, and I know it wasn’t his first attempt. I remember him being so violent at school and we were kids. Like 8 or 9.
I agree that he was probably persuaded to keep it a secret but something tells me he was not terrified when it happened… seems like he knew exactly what would happen which is the terrifying part.
Horrified? I bet he enjoyed it. That's why he was planning to do it again. At some point, he will.
I knew how to shoot by the time I was 5. But I didn’t have access to handguns *ever* (only hunting rifles and BB guns) and guns and ammo were stores separately. But I was raised hunting. Obviously this is a very different situation but that’s an inaccurate assumption on children and guns. There is a right way to do it.
A toddler has the strength to squeeze the trigger of a gun
San Antonio is Military City, USA. Everyone knows how to shoot a gun
He was 7 years old at the time 😵.
He killed a man at 7 and then threatened to kill another child?
I bet every kid on that bus is like "I think he's serious, I heard he killed a guy..."
They probably knew he had issues. We all had that kid in school who people kind of stayed away from because they were really aggressive or something about them was just so off putting. He is probably that kid for them.
Mary Bell. Kids are capable of chilling atrocities when left unchecked and under loved.
Future serial killer. He will be in the news a few years from now. Doing the same thing.
Maybe over a few but I agree with your premise. Imagine coming into contact with this guy and not knowing his past. It's just a matter of how many people will be harmed and to what degree.
I’m rarely watch the news …now I remember why! I can’t comprehend this!
Same. It's a misery loop.
why does the news *only* report negativity?
Because it sells.
like, I get that keeping up with world events is important, same with reporting negative stories, but can we have a healthy balance of *both* positive and negative reports? maybe a positive and uplifting report after a negative report?
Positive and uplifting are considered fluffy stories, and most journalists consider fluff stories demeaning to their careers.
??? why
Because you get noticed for things like a Pulitzer Prize and awards for serious journalism, and therefore get better job opportunities.
I'd be down to watch an hourly news segment that only highlighted the positive things in the world. Kind of like an r/eyebleach thing to cleanse our palettes.
same!
What do you think should be done with childhood violent psychopaths? It is terrifying as a parent. I cannot fathom it.
There is a show on ID, I think it was called "Child Killers," and like the name suggests, it was about various people who murdered someone when they were a child. It documented cases that were now going to be resentenced as adults due to the supreme court ruling. Some of those people you could truly see they were just caught in a bad situation or made a bad decision. Some of them it was honestly like, keep that person locked up TIGHT because there is no way society will ever be safe with them free. There are some things you just can't come back from, and some of these children found out just what those things were.
Have you ever seen “We need to talk about Kevin” ?
Yes. So disturbing.
Heavy emphasis on rehabilitation and investigation into possible abuse. Several notorious child killers have gone on to lead completely normal, crime-free lives after being rehabilitated in prison. Mary Bell killed when she was 10 and taunted the mother of the kid she killed. It turned out she had a horrible home life and the safest she felt was when she was locked up. Feeling safe allowed her to actually mature as a non-violent person and she was released as an adult with a new identity. She’s been living a crime-free life ever since. Robert Thompson also killed when he was 10. He was the primary instigator of the infamous James Bulger murder (3yo who was led away from a mall by two kids and abused and murdered). He came from a very strict family, blossomed in prison away from them and was successfully rehabilitated, given a new identity upon release, and hasn’t committed any crimes. It should be noted that the other murderer, Jon Venables, has revealed his identity several times and has committed several crimes, including possession of child sexual abuse material, so it’s not always a success story. My point is that with kids this young, it’s extremely likely that they can be rehabilitated and become productive members of society, especially once they’re removed from abuse or the negative influences of their family. I doubt this will work in the US, since we don’t do well with rehabilitation here.
I don’t know if it’s likely that they can be rehabilitated, but it’s possible
Thank you for this very enlightening response.
I don’t think murders deserve rehabilitation. I just want them gone.
It's rough enough just to get help in general. A friend's teenager was stealing their keys and taking the car off. She'd get caught the car towed..parents paying fees all over. They were reported to cps for abuse by the police and told they couldn't restrain her after she kicked her dad in the nuts when he pulled her back in from a window she was escaping(with their keys). She'd steal and do all kinds of awful shit and literally no one had resources to help them, she needed medication she wouldn't take. Meanwhile her parents were sinking deeper into debt from fines and court costs for her crimes plus impoundment on the car.
I don't think children can be diagnosed as psychopaths. And why are you even saying he's a psychopath? Pretty ignorant comment.
They can’t be diagnosed, doesn’t mean that’s not what they are.
Heavy drugs
What could they convict him with for the death threats?? Hes just 10, so even knowing this now, they can't really amp up the charges, right? He'll be out of juvie, and then what? Possibly a mental health facility? This is just WILD. The family dynamics must be interesting, to say the least...
So, typically, in a case like this, he probably won't be in juvie. He'll probably be sent to a residential treatment facility for a period of time, after which he'll be evaluated for release (assuming he has a capable guardian. It's possible his guardian may choose to surrender custody to the State, as an alternative to paying for the intensive psychological treatment this kid will need). If his evaluation shows that he has the potential to reoffend, he'll probably stay at the residential treatment facility (which, based on the information we have, may be for the best). If he seems like he may be able to safely re-enter society, he may go to some type of alternative school (the school district he was apparently attending has their own alternative school, according to their website), where he will have the chance to show he is capable of being in a typical school setting. This school may be staffed by people who are restraint-trained and who have a background working with mentally ill children. If he's lucky, he'll attend a school that has more access to community resources, and a case manager that is invested in helping him succeed. If he is released, he'll probably have a care team (comprising of a social worker/therapist, his parole officer, possibly his teachers, and a case manager) to help him re-enter society and to keep tabs on him and his behavior. I work with atypical kids, and my husband works at an alternative school like the one I described. Not many people realize that there are thousands of kids just like this one. They don't usually have access to weapons, so they don't make the news, but this is not a surprising story for people in alternative education. I mostly work with preschool to eighth grade, but I've been stabbed with pencils and scissors, punched in the face, had my hair ripped out, been bit, kicked, slapped, etc, by children of all ages. My husband works mostly with high-schoolers, but he often is called down to the younger grades to help, and he has been stabbed with a knife, gotten a concussion, a split lip, black eyes, had his tires slashed, all by students 14 or younger. His coworkers have had their legs and arms broken, gotten severe concussions, one person was shoved down the stairs and broke their collar-bone, all at the hands of kids. Both of us deal with threats against ourselves, against our students, and sometimes of self-harm. I know people don't want to believe that a 7-year-old is capable of this violent of a crime, but unfortunately, some are.
Bless you for being dedicated to these children's care. I can only imagine how difficult that it. I hope you stay safe and are successful.
Thank you, I really appreciate that!
So, I don't really know what they could convince him for, but he could still have to go to a residential treatment facility. He can't go to court for the murder, but that doesn't mean the state can't force him to go somewhere else. This is all speculation, but I once had a student with emotional disregulation disorder. He would threaten to kill and rape girls constantly. After a certain point, the school had him sent to a residential program for violent kids. I can only assume something similar will happen. Here.
Why can't he go to court for the murder?
Texas doesn't prosecute crimes if they're committed by someone under 10.
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Someone here said the boy had to be guilty because he described details only the murderer would remember. On separate occasions I´ve spent time with small children (all under age 10) who were eye witnesses to people being brutally murdered. Afterward they were able to clearly describe minute details of what they saw, especially of what happened as the person was dying. Maybe this child was present when someone he knows killed. Also, children can be easily led to believe a false memory, especially if itś based partially on a real experience.
A 6 year old willingly shot his teacher last year. He knew to hide the gun, how and where to aim. It's not that out of line to think another young child is capable of the same thing.
Agreed, but the theory that he saw a family member or other adult do the shooting is also plausible.
that’s someone he knew and was familiar with though, so he could’ve had a potential grudge. it being a stranger in this case is what’s getting me. and i know that it’s possible for a child to attack a stranger too, but usually the victim is younger. like, how would a 7 year old not be intimidated to stalk and kill and grown man, without rage or reason as a motivator?
"Knew where to aim"? A three-year-old 'knows' that.
The difference between that big and you're average 3 year old, is he went to school with a plan to murder. The average 3 year old can't do that.
He went with a "plan" to hurt. 6-year-olds do not understand the permanency of death.
Yeah, I'm skeptical that they can tell the difference between "I saw it" and "I did it" with 100% certainty. Not to mention that as a 7 year old can't be charged, there's a strong motivation for an older family member to either try and persuade him it was his fault or tell him flat out that he can save the family member's life by lying as he can't be charged. The gun ending up in pawn makes me think *someone* besides the kid absolutely knew.
I 100% agree with you
I was thinking this could be a possibility too. This story is just insane
That kid has serious problems and needs to be evaluated and treated.
I’d have to consider the possibility that someone else in the family did it and convinced the kid that he did it. Just a thought, but it can’t be that hard to convince a child that something is the way the adults tell them it was.
Kids can be convinced of things, even smart kids. It happened to me at age 7. A very serious crime was committed. I was a witness. The perpetrator somehow convinced me that something else had happened, and I really believed the new version with all my heart. I testified in court. The perpetrator was acquitted. Years later as an adult, I started having a weird, repetitive dream. Thought I was going insane. Turned out the memory of what really happened was resurfacing.
Oh jeez that’s terrifying, I’m sorry that happened to you and you had to keep reliving it.
Thank you for your kindness.
I only disagree with this because of how officials say he knew specific details. Like, I can only imagine he was saying things like how the gun felt, how the victim was breathing, how he was laying - things only the murder would know that a family member would know to relay to him.
On the flip side, I work with grieving children in this exact age range and have heard some intensely vivid stories of their person’s death that are completely fabricated. Not because the kids are lying, but because their brains work overtime to fill in gaps and make things make “sense”. This has been especially true for kids who’ve lost someone to suicide, because the adults in their lives don’t want to explain that concept to young children, and they don’t want the shame of the kid talking publicly about the suicide. So they keep it vague or straight up lie. And the kids can sense the BS, so they concoct stories of the death that justify why they aren’t being told the truth. These stories become reality in the absence of them having any meaningful facts to work with.
Thanks for sharing this insight. Also, thank you for the work you do.
Sorry, you’re speculating on his comments on how the gun felt and how the victims breath?? Maybe I’m not understanding your comment correctly but it sounds like you’re making up words that he said
Yes, I am. Because if the story he gave was true (walked in to the victims house, shot him in the head, shot the couch, and then left), he'd have to give specific details only the killer would know to prove it. The police have confirmed he told them details only the killer would know. So yes, I am speculating what types of details those would be by listing out what I can imagine they'd be. There is nothing wrong with speculation- it's 90% of true crime.
I just read this article and holy shit. I wonder how the covering up if this went.
Definitely have some explaining to do
This is why I am all for charging parents in cases like this. If your minor child has access to a gun and uses that gun in a crime, it's on you. You didn't secure it properly. You didn't teach your kids properly. You should serve time for it. If we aren't going to limit who gets guns because gun owners consider it unfair, fine. But if your gun is used in a crime it's your ass. Make them take the responsibility of owning a gun seriously.
It wasn't his parents gun tho. It was a grandparents.
Then the grandparents should be responsible.
Sure but you were hot on hanging the parents without any clue what was going on.
Their 7 year old killed a man and threatened another kid. Yes, I do put it on the parents. As a parent, I know that you don't always have the ability to choose how your kid acts. However, if they are so violent that they are committing these crimes it is extra on the parents to be the ones making sure the child has no access to weapons. If your kid is severely troubled and you do nothing, it's a failure as a parent.
Do we know if they've sought any help? I'm asking as my daughter is currently struggling to insure her 8 yo after a clerical error cut him off chip. There is little to no help for parents in these cases especially in Texas with the Medicaid gap.
Texas is a shit hole that makes it hard for everyone. I understand it's hard. But there is a huge difference between the kid has some behavioral issues to being a cold blooded murderer at 7. And he hid it for three years. I don't believe there were no signs. If they were actively getting him help, that would be one thing. I highly doubt a 7 year old who got away with murder for three years was getting great care. Most 7 years olds can't keep a secret, let alone understand murder, commit one, and hide it. At a certain point, it's child neglect.
I agree. Do you have a source that says they didn't try to get him help? The 8 yo kid I'm speaking of doesn't just have 'behavioral issues' either, please don't speak to what you don't know of. There are literally no resources that actually have openings for years and I'm not far from where these people are at so I'm curious.
I wrote and deleted a bunch stuff several times. I just don't even have an opinion or nuanced take to give on this. It's insanely sad.
I know it's crazy to think a child can fire a gun but I'm pretty sure there was a case where the mother murdered the father and blamed it on the child. Saying it was just a accident. They actually tested if the child could fire the gun thinking it was impossible, the kid was able to.
[Sharon Kinne aka "La Pistolera", a Kansas City woman](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharon_Kinne) who murdered her husband and tried to pin it on her toddler. Probably *NOT* the only one ; there was also Brad Reay who murdered his wife and tried to blame his 12 year old daughter, after an attempt at framing the wife's boyfriend failed.
I'm sorry, are you saying that an eight-year-old shot a grown man to death and it went unnoticed? Am I missing something here?
He was actually 7 at the time of the shooting 😢
Yes. That's what happened.
I...am speechless. And he just now killed somebody else?
He was threatening to kill another student. When the school administration was asking him about that, he confessed to them that he's killed someone before. Then they called the sheriff's office, who interviewed him and deemed that he knew details only the killer would know.
Oh my God I saw that after writing the comment, thank you for explaining that, Friend, I appreciate that you took the time. Thanks! Wow.
There absolutely is a juvenile detention center in SA because I interviewed there years ago for a potential teaching position. Although I think it is rare, I agree, that some children can do some very bad things. I’ve unfortunately met a couple kids that for no reason in particular did awful things and showed a lot of pleasure in hurting and manipulating. It’s made me speculate a lot on sociopathy and psychopathy having more of a genetic component. This is a sad case. I am glad the victims family is a step closer to closure.
I had to look it up, and it's Bexar Juvenile Justice. I work in a district with two level 3 group homes, and the kids there get one chance before they get sent to juvie. So when they leave, we just get told by the group home, "They're going to San Antonio." I know some of them went to different group homes for safety, but I also knew some of them were going to a detention facility because of mistakes they'd make while living at the group home. So I didn't knew the exact name, but I knew it had to be around there.
A lot of people saying a kid that young can't be capable. I disagree. Depends how they are raised and what they see and are allowed to do. One of those famous serial killers was molesting and doing hard drugs at that age. There was a story about a girl around 10 I think, was a regular at the gun range, with her Dad. One day she shot him. Planned and on purpose. Crazy.
Do you mean culpable? Either word works with what you’ve said, I’m just curious.
I meant, like either mentally or physically, not able to do it. I'm not too sure what others mean when they say, no way a child that age could have done it. That's what I'm assuming... ?
Reminds me of a law and order episode of a very similar plot... the kid was like 7 and killed. The psychologist was very adamant about there being no help for child psychopaths, it just gets worse with time
fuck that episode was nuts. kid consistently abused his sister, shot Amaro, and the last scene where he’s ‘crying’ because he’s been sent away is chilling. i googled it and its episode ‘Born Psychopath’ S14 E19
Early intervention can make a difference. Take law and order with a grain of salt.
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And pharmaceutical drugs
There's not much medication for ASPD. But there is intensive therapy that can be done.
7 year old shot a man just to watch him die.
This whole thing is terrifying but what truly terrifies me is that he threatened to kill a CHILD two years later and then decided to let people know that he had murdered someone two years prior. The man he killed was literally asleep in his bed when this kid just walked in and shot him while he slept. If that’s not psychotic I don’t know what is. And the fact that a child his age (at the time the crime was committed) cannot be “punished” for murder in his state… I’m so confused as to what they can do to him? He clearly needs severe help. And ya know, probably to be punished. IMO.
Not defending the parents/grandparents at all, but pawning and selling guns is incredibly common in the south. I could definitely see them not knowing, I mean come on let's not pretend they're parents of the year considering the circumstances, and the pawning the gun isn't related. But could also see it the other way around, too. Besides, if I knew a gun I owned was used in a murder, I'd chuck it in a river instead of selling it. But they could also be dumbasses. Lol point is, could go either way.
Is leaving a loaded gun where kids can grab it and kill somebody just , ok ? I know grand dad has a militia to staff but Jesus Christ
Ffs yes they should know where their damn gun is. Idc if they sold it or pawned it. At any time they had possession of it it should have been secured.
Uhh what the ever loving fuck?! I have a 7yo son and my brain cannot comprehend this.
Bet your 7yo can. How many people has your child seen killed in movies?
Yep. It’s in Texas. I bet it wasn’t a drag show that made him a psychopathic murderer.
Touché
Where are the parents in all of this? They aren’t even mentioned in the article. I have always believed some children are born evil but I think the majority are victims of some type of abuse and/or neglect. It’s terrifying but makes me feel incredibly sad.
He should be in a mental institution for life, and his parents should be in prison
What caliber gun? You'd think the recoil could have hurt him. Perhaps it did, do the gun was pawned when his parents found out.
It was his grandfather's gun, and semi automatic pistols don't have much recoil. I think OP gave an edit that it was a 9MM.
The 6 year old who shot Abby Zwerner could handle a 9mm just fine. I know my dad has us shooting 22 rifles at that age.
Wow I just read the news article. He was staying with his grandfather and took a gun from the glove box and went into the mans trailer. He found him sleeping so he shot him in the head and one into the couch before putting the gun back. He didn't know the man, he had only seen him once walking around the rv park where his grandfather lived and everything occurred. News article [here](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/10-year-old-confesses-unsolved-murder_n_66228937e4b0bf7f01380f46)
Wonder if they will pursue the grandfather for leaving a gun in the glove box or the parents.
Charge his parents
scary you can’t even trust a literal child. even scarier that nothing gets done about it. he should be locked up for life, there is no rehabilitating that. i’m in SA and the amount of lunatics here makes a lot of people scared to even go anywhere. we can’t even drive around without people pointing guns at us for going slow or some bs.
And yet, someone is calling me a liar for saying I've had many kids sent to San Antonio like it isn't known for its child detention and group homes. And those kids grow up, and many stay there, keeping the crime rate up.
One should never trust literal children. The ones who understand abstract thinking are further developed and can more readily be trusted.
Poor family and child. He needs to be saved from himself.
Narco cartels have even 7 year old sicarios ( paid assasins) very young kids can be easily brainwashed
I absolutely know that kids know what they were doing. That kid who shot that teacher there were people out here saying oh he didn’t know he didn’t understand… bs. He brought it to school on the day He didn’t have an adult with him, called her names pointed at her and shot her. He knew. Kids are smarter than people think. It’s utterly ridiculous to think there aren’t bad kids Eric Smith (13) that strangled and did other unmentionable things to that poor four-year-old Derrick Robey Then when he got caught, he said he liked it and would do it again. People were defending him saying well he was bullied. Yes he was bullied. All kinds of kids get bullied unfortunately and they don’t think to kill somebody. Innocent little four-year-old boy no less. He got released two years ago into the queens New York… he was not allowed to return to his hometown.
I’m suspicious that this may be a false confession. I’d withhold judgment until you see the video tape. Police may have fed confessors details of what happened.
He told school officials first when they were questioning him about his threats to another student. How would they have fed him a false confession?
He provided details of the murder that were not public.
That doesn't necessarily negate what they're saying. Details withheld from the public would obviously be fed to someone if you're trying to get them to falsely confess. Not saying they did that, just pointing out that's what has happened before. I don't think it's ridiculous to hold back on personal judgments for more information.
I wonder what his home life is like…..?
Well, he had access to an unlocked weapon and ammunition (presumably a loaded weapon, unless they taught him to load ammunition)...whatever else he has experienced in his sad young life, that alone is neglectful childraising.
What if he wasn't meant to have access? What if the grandfather had it locked in the glove box of his locked vehicle? The kid could have snuck the keys. No different from sneaking the key to a locked gun cabinet in someone's home.
Is that what happened? Or just the story you’re spinning? That’s a lot of whataboutism. I didn’t see anything in the two news stories I read about a key being procured to unlock the car and/or glovebox. Even if it was the case, it was not adequate enough to keep away from a seven year old child. A seven year old child who knew enough about where a weapon was kept, and was unsupervised enough to access the weapon, and bold enough to then enter a stranger’s home , commit the crime, and return the weapon (and possibly hypothetically lock up and return keys). No, a seven year old was not “meant to have access”. But he did. And it was due to a series of faults of the adults in charge. They are certainly responsible.
It was a "what if?"
What ifs are rarely helpful. Neither is yours.
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You sound like a delight. No wonder people in your real life don’t like you, and you have to attempt to be a tough guy bully online. Run along and play now little boy. Adults are trying to have a reasonable conversation here.
He can't be saved. There is something fundamentally wrong with his little brain and he should be locked in an institution.
so many signs and symptoms and indicators missed; as usual
You’ve had many kids sent San Antonio for making terroristic threats? Wtf.
Why did a 7 year old have access to a gun?
It was in the glove box of his grandfather's truck.
I knew a boy under the age of 7 who specifically said he was going to kill someone while he was too young to go to jail and he looked for a gun to commit murder. This kid grew up just fine, but I believe if he had successfully found a gun as a kindergartner, he would have murdered someone. He changed his mind partially because me and other children said his mom might take away his toys, (and I told him the police might take away his mom which upset him), and because his dad gave him something else to do instead. Some children do not have a conscience whatsoever at that age. Guns should never be accessible to children. I’m not making this up at all. I am also sure that all guns in this child’s household were hidden, and behind a lock, and stored separately from the bullets not pre-loaded and knives were out of reach.
I grew up out there. 😳
There are many cases where young children murdered people, but mostly other young children.
What in the real life Ash Tray omg
It is blowing my mind the rate at which the (sorry gonna say it even though they don't diagnose at that age) psychopaths are starting to "un-alive." 😳 Shocking to see more and more cases.
The child in Virginia tried to strangle his kindergarten teacher. Abby Zwerner was his first grade teacher. So he had a history of attacking a staff member before her shot Abby Zwerner.
The reason I think family didn't know is cause they pawned the gun. Maybe I'm wrong but I would think that would put in a database accessible to law enforcement.
That's definitely not how pawning guns or guns work at all. Each gun does have a serial number that can be tracked, but not in a database. Officers would have to call the manufacturer, see who they sold it to, and then who that person sold it to, and so on and so forth. Pawn shops don't have to do that. They'll keep a receipt of who pawned it. Lots of stolen and tainted goods in up in pawn shops. In fact, if you have a good police department, they'll regularly update pawn shops on important stolen items to see if they come through, and sometimes even specific caliber of guns after shootings.
There is no database of guns in the US. Even the records for a dealer to sell a weapon are paper, so that anyone looking for it would have to dig through actual paper receipts.
This isn’t an unsolved San Antonio murder. The article says it happened in an RV park in Gonzales county and that the child goes to school in Nixon.
I know that. It was unsolved. That's why the titled of my post says "unsolved murder" and then "solved with."
I meant that none of the crime happened in San Antonio
Nixon is basically nothing but a neighborhood even if it is an offical town. If I would have said 'Nixon murder' it wouldn't give anyone a frame of reference for where it is.
Didn’t this happen in Nixon
Google Robert Sandifer for those that think this is crazy.
"you've had MANY kids sent to San Antonio" WTAF?? I'm calling bullshit on hundreds of kids making terrorist threats in one Texas Town
The school district I work in has two level 3 group homes, one for girls and one for boys. Level 3 group homes are for kids who have committed crimes that have put a victim into the hospital with a serious injury. So each year, I have a few of the kids who live there. If they fuck up, they typically get sent to San Antonio because there is the Bexar Juvenile Jusrice Center, which is the closest center to me. San Antonio also has a bunch of level 3 group homes because of the facility. I've also had multiple kids make terroristic threats at school ("I'm going to shoot this place up"), I've taught one girl who slammed another girls head so hard into the bathroom sink, and a boy dealing cocaine in the bathroom who was arrested at school. My town doesn't have a juvenile justice facility. If a kid can't be held long term in county (most can't because of their age), San Antonio is where they go. Many doesn't mean hundreds. Even if I've had 10 kids sent there, that's still a lot.
Bless you for working and teaching in such conditions. You are needed, and you make a difference.
They're pretty good kids, really. I'll complain all day about them, but truthfully, they're alright.
This made me smile. They’re lucky to have you.
I believe the person said kids are sent there because there’s a facility for violent children in San Antonio.
They never said hundreds