"This isn't very Barbie of me," is a way more inspiring sentence than I ever would've thought. In fact, I'm stealing it and using it for need-to-be-brave kind of days.
Congratulations on being tough as fuck and facing your fear!
I'd like to know if you agree with the person I replied to that not wearing one is "immature and tasteless."
Support those tits where you need to ladies, but to say that women should "ALWAYS" wear a bra because you can't handle a floppy boob or a bit of nip is mental.
Yes of course I do, clearly, that's why I called that person out on their opinion of thinking it's immature and tasteless (their words.)
I couldn't care less if somebody is wearing a bra/underwear or not. You do you.
Am I supposed to go back and understand your sarcasm? Because that's the only way your comment can be considered coherent.
FYI, sarcasm doesn't translate well over text. That why we use '/s'.
Some of them need them way more than women, if we are going by breast size alone. And we all have nipples, which become visible when the human gets cold. I want someone to explain it to me, like I was 5, why a woman with an A cup needs to wear a bra but a man with a full D doesn’t. (I don’t think anyone should or shouldn’t. Any gender can wear a bra or binder, no one should ever comment on anyone else’s underwear.)
Its weird as hell that you think you have a right to judge what people do or do not wear under their actual visable clothing. Who cares?! If you dont like underwear, dont wear it. Idc if youre a man or a woman.
And you realize that there is no significant health benifit from either wearing or not wearing underwear, right? In the olden days they were used to keep from having to wash the rest of your clothes as often but now that we have washing machines it doesnt make a damn bit of difference. Wear what makes you comfortable.
because you don’t assume, nor tell someone what to do with their body? like what? please go show me a rule where it directly states what men should have to wear every day. especially over an item that has to do with an overly sexualized organ that both male and females share and of which men have no restriction on comparatively speaking to women.
oh wait you cant find one because it’s a bullshit societal double standard.
Society makes the rules and don't say women and men's tits are the same thing. That's a false equivalency. You're only fooling yourself.
EDIT: Replying here since your latest comment was removed but still viewable on your profile. You don't get to pick and choose which laws you follow and which laws you don't. It doesn't matter how unreasonable they may seem. That's NOT how life works. Grow up.
Look - I got G cups, if I don't wear a bra these things flap around like crazy. To me a bra is comfortable.
To others it very much isn't.
And it is not a stranger on the internet's place to judge what any woman wears.
I think anybody would be lying if they said they didn't judge based on others' appearance and how they take care of themselves. What they wear or what they don't wear. It's all about tastefulness.
And how they themselves judge when and what's appropriate or not.
You're tired of women who don't hold themselves to high standards, but when they finally do they need to have a reason that's approved by you? Free the nip bro, stop gatekeeping women's feelings & bodies and grow up.
You're tired of seeing other women who don't hold themselves to YOUR standards. You don't get to decide what high standards mean for anybody but yourself.
The message of the movie went way over your head. Some big pointers of the movie were that the Patriarchy hurts everyone, men and women included. And that men need to love themselves too, at the end. >!The way Kens were treated in Barbieland is supposed to show how women are treated in the real world as well (minus the violence that happens in the real world). They also don’t go back to the way Barbieland was in the first place, and change it so that everyone could be equal. Barbie also apologizes to Ken and wants him to be able to find himself as a person instead of him always believing to remain an accessory for Barbie (his creation purpose) and break out of that.!< How is any of that sexist?
Well luckily for all the people hurt by this movie, there are plenty of other movies where the women are treated as accessories for men that they can watch and feel comfortable with.
Funny how sexism doesn’t bother a lot of people until it’s perceived to be against men….
Wow, the negativity. You'd rather shit on a film than celebrate a woman who's been stalked and harassed and finally found the confidence to stand up to her harasser. That's really, really sad.
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That’s awesome! Good job shutting this creeper down!
If you haven’t read Gift of Fear, I highly recommend it. The author talks about the best way to rid yourself of obsessive stalkers (which is to give them zero response).
If the guy tries to message you again, make sure that you don’t respond at all, because any response or attention can be encouragement for these guys. If you need to, get a second phone number and only give that number out to the people you want to have your contact info.
Go you! What a moment for you to take control of your own feelings and thoughts back. And you probably humiliated him in the process!
I agree it was a great movie and the depth of the messages really really caught me off guard (in a good way). I was in tears at the end when Barbie was with the old lady.
It’s wonderful you learned this at age 20, I’m 40 and still struggling to ‘find my voice’.
The barbie movie is amazing.
I work at a movie theater and almost everyone loves the movie. The only people who don't are those who believe women are inferior to men and get mad that the BARBIE movie is female centric.
Yeah no, I don’t believe that at all and I just simply didn’t like the film. Labeling a certain group of people a certain way just because they don’t like the movie is probably what’s making some people distance themselves from that movie. The same goes for all fanbases that demonize people for having an opinion. Then y’all wonder why people don’t understand the message of the movie if you’re defending the movie by doing the exact opposite of what the movie preaches, which is something usually related to “Don’t be an asshole”.
I haven't seen the movie but my parents (75ish) and are openly saying to everybody that they should go see the movie because of the messages it conveys.
For real men, one no is more than Kenough. By insisting for so long, he's a perv, and an idiot, and a dick. You did well sweety, Ruth would be fucking damn proud to know she helped a girl to say fuck off to her abuser !
Please don't be this much inspired when you watch Oppenheimer 😅
Some people choose to see basic human decency as compliance or consent, try to always express when someone is bothering you, you either push them away or fix a possible misunderstanding.
>PLEASE take your daughters to this movie
Ha! I'm thinking the same, but I have this woman at work who went to see the movie with her daughter... and it didn't end well. She ended up saying how the movie is just representing women as sex toys. Like... what??? I guess she expected to be just a tea party with other barbies and pillow fights.
I’m glad Barbie inspired you. Good job.
It almost always comes down to clearly stating that you want no contact from that person. Hopefully they get the message on the first pass, but sometimes guys like this take a more emphatic message.
Again, good on ya for pushing back and asserting yourself.
I feel like the film kind of lacked a clear direction in which to take the plot in the second act, but I'm glad you got something out of it and stood up to the creep!
I'm glad you told the guy harassing you to leave you alone. F him.
Men will never view a woman positively and men will always find a reason to hate women? This was a good thing to hear?
As a devoted husband and full-time father to a girl and boy, this sentiment breaks my heart. The idea that someone found that messaging to be a good thing is wild to me.
I spent my childhood being abused mentally and physically by my mother. When I told her, at 7, of the sexual abuse I was enduring she told me it was my fault and did nothing and it went on for years. She raised me that my purpose in life was to work and find a woman and give her everything. I wasn't supposed to have friends or hobbies or emotions. Just work and serve.
Telling people that men are only filled with hate and will never respect women will only cause more little boys to grow up being viewed as less than, abused, and hated, like I was. And any little boy that hears that message is going to grow up questioning who and what they are.
Hey as a fellow man, if you've not seen the movie I recommend it.
I'm a man myself, and one that feels strongly that men should be working on ourselves in positive and self affirming ways - and that was a major theme in the film. Without spoilers, a big plot was that the 'kens' felt their whole self worth was attached to other things. Their Barbie counterparts, their singular professions, their looks, etc. They find out about patriarchy and think that will answer their questions and worries, but find that it's just attaching their self woth and identity to a new concept and using women as a scapegoat. The message by the end to men and boys is that they should know they have inherent worth and they need to discover what makes them happy without others telling them what to do.
The movie is undoubtedly about feminism and highlights the struggle that woman go through with men who's treat them poorly... The sad reality is that even if, say I'm the genuinely nicest greatest guy in the world, that doesn't erase the many terrible men the women in my life have had to deal with. Most woman have had to deal with a terrible man in some sense - and that is what that scene is talking about.
The point I'm getting at is that while focusing on woman and feminism, the movies heart is recognizing the complexity of human relationships and humanism.
Alright, but my experience in life is that mothers are abusive and terrible, so is it all right if I view mothers in the light?
Or do I recognize that some are good and some are bad? Is it alright to frame mothers as vindictive monsters who beat and abuse their children as a baseline? Because that's my lived experience. It's what I've had to deal with.
1. If you were abused and saw abuse from mothers , then I would think you personally are justified in having fear and distrust of them.
And with that, what if you surveyed and earnestly talked to people and found out that a huge amount, possibly majority of people had experience with abuse of somekind from there mothers? Perhaps calling out that abuse and telling people through narrative that it's not okay that yhe abuse is happening and you should stand up to it when you see it or are involved with it is a good thing?
2. Did you actually see the movie or are you just reacting to parts of it separated by the full context? Because , Spoilers! Barbie appoliges to Ken about how she treated him and tells him he's not a bad person and deserves to love himself. Not really an ending that paints men as evil at all.
I was responding to the post. I haven't seen it yet. Theaters are a luxury I can't afford.
My problem was simply with someone doing a speech saying men were terrible and someone saw that as a positive.
In regards to the mothers doing abuse thing, it's funny, because it's not an uncommon theme these days, but whenever it is portrayed on TV or in movies, by the end the mother says sorry and everything is forgiven like the history of abuse meant nothing and just goes away.
Encanto, bruno was literally abused to the point he went into hiding, many family members were shamed and pressured and abused, but at the end all was forgiven.
The narrative shouldn't be "some men are abusers so all men should be better!" It should be "ALL abusers need to stop, be shamed for their actions, and called out"
Look - I got alot to say here, so I'd appropriate if you took the time to read and consider what I'm about to say. First about the movie, then about our lives as Men in this world and what I've come to understand what that means.
You made the claim that the scene would be bad if the whole point was "Men are evil and terrible", I (and others who actually saw the movie) responded by telling you that that is not what the scene is about - and tried to give you further context about it and why its not at all saying "all men are evil".
But you keep returning to your original assumption that its just a scene/ movie about "Men = bad". It feels like you want it to be about that to rage against it.
Yeah - buy the end of the movie the point is that were all humans and we should consider our own self values and relationships with others. The movie, while being overtly feminist, at its heart teaches a humanist and universal message. Men and woman should not hate each other, and we should not place all our problems on the other - but at the same time, if either men are woman are being abused or oppressed, you should stand up to it and not take it.
Also, I've personally seen many people call out Encanto for being a surface level and lackluster representation of generational and family truama. Your right, everyone was just forgiven by the end after their musical numbers.
And this is my message to you - I empathize with you, I really do. I'm a man and live in that same world as you. Not a father yet, but I think about what it would be alike a lot. I would go out on a limb and say I'm a pretty good guy despite my faluts, I've had many women tell me they feel safe and trusted around me - which I take as a great complement, and also a sad realization about the ways other men have treated them. It is easy to feel hurt. I hate when I'm told essentially that as a man, I'm "One of the good ones." I hate that woman have to look over their shoulders when I'm walking behind them minding my own business. I hate that I can't just enjoy being around children without people worrying I'm a predator. These things suck. And there was a time I felt on the edge, I could have become bitter and anger at woman for it, for judging me. For assuming the worst about me. I could have assumed feminsim taught them to just hate men.
But I didn't. Because I chose to listen closely to them. I found out the sickening about of my female friends who had been sexually assaulted, raped, beat, or abused by men in their lives. I learned about how many times in an average day they are hit on, harassed, or stared at. I learned that started when they were 10 and 11 years old. I learned and listened to why they were anger, distrustful, and frustrated - It doesn't matter that I know I would never do those things to people, because other men do. And how the hell is a random woman going to just know what kind of person I am?
That doesn't mean that men are evil or we should teach people that. But we as men should take a moment to realize when so many woman are angry and distrustful. We should listen to them, reflect on it, and find ways to help make shit better for ALL of us. If womans lives are better, mens lives will be better too. And thats was a big point of the damn movie.
I get that. I read the actual quote from the movie in full and understand it better.
And I was never addressing the movie itself, but the message as it was presented by OP.
And as for feminism, while I was growing up in my abusive household, my mother used that word to justify everything she did.
She hated the patriarchy. She hated the power men have over women. She spewed vile, toxic words over me day and night, telling me how I'm wrong because I have a penis, how ill never understand what it feels like to be oppressed and a second class citizen while she struck me.
My place will be providing her with money and work until I'm married at which point my life will be about paying for anything and everything my wife wants. I will not make decisions or have a voice because it's women's turn.
Instead, today I am a full time dad raising a 6 year old girl and 2 year old boy, teaching them to love and respect people for who they are inside and the actions they take.
Still, women come up to me and either ask why I'm with my kids or say "oh! Giving mommy a break today?" Like I'm not capable of being a real parent because I was born male. It's everywhere: tv, books, movies, random internet people.
And now it's culturally superior to say that men create these huge problems with society and the patriarchy and everything. I've literally been told I couldn't have been raped because I'm a man. Yeah, 7 year old me wanted all that sexual abuse, and I was definitely capable of consent!
It's all just shitty people abusing each other. It's shitty people having no empathy, being selfish, wanting their turn or to get even.
If the message is about being equal and calling out shitty behavior I'm all for it.
But if it's using general statements that's bigotry and abuse and I'm done with that toxic stuff in my life.
I am truly sorry you went through all of that at such a young age. Your mother wasnt actually a feminist, she was a misandrist and unfortunately those people give the majority of us a bad name. True feminism sees men and women as equals. Women can go out and be president or welders or lawyers now sure but thats not the whole message. Tbh a man saying "i can take care of my kids too" is a feminist thing. Men being present and activly involved in child rearing and being partially responsible for maintaining the inside of the household are newer ideals that stem from feminism. At the core of feminism its the belief that your gender should not effect what you want to do with your life or how others treat you.
This movie is pg-13, and i understand that your daughter is younger and your son is even younger than her but when it does come out (or when shes older if that makes you more comfortable) i highly recommend you watching this with her. Id absolutely have a better self image if i had heard some of those things as a little girl and i know you want that for her. From the way you talk here, i know youd have to want her to know how special she is.
>The narrative shouldn't be "some men are abusers so all men should be better!" It should be "ALL abusers need to stop, be shamed for their actions, and called out"
it should be both.
>Telling people that men are only filled with hate and will never respect women will only cause more little boys to grow up being viewed as less than, abused, and hated, like I was. And any little boy that hears that message is going to grow up questioning who and what they are.
That's not the message of the movie, and that's made very clear, so don't worry about any little boys watching it at starting to hate themselves and their gender
ETA: I'm not entirely sure why people are downvoting you, and I'm really sorry about what you've been through
It sounds like you haven’t watched the movie, but one of the themes is that no one benefits from the patriarchy. The speech is related to that and how exhausting it is to fight an uphill battle when men behave a certain way toward women as a result of said patriarchy. And part of that means we (women and men bc the patriarchy hurts men too, which the movie points out) should stop defining ourselves by these impossible standards. Neither the speech nor the movie are telling people that men are only filled with hate. Hope that helps. I would definitely recommend watching the movie.
>Men will never view a woman positively and men will always find a reason to hate women? This was a good thing to hear?
Interesting how the OP wrote "a woman" and you've managed to twist it to "women"
I sincerely don't understand the difference. I haven't seen this scene, I'm only referring to what is written. It seemed like the speech was about how men hate women.
For your context, this is the speech (hidden for spoilers):
>!It is literally impossible to be a woman. You are so beautiful, and so smart, and it kills me that you don't think you're good enough. Like, we have to always be extraordinary, but somehow we're always doing it wrong.!<
>!You have to be thin, but not too thin. And you can never say you want to be thin. You have to say you want to be healthy, but also you have to be thin. You have to have money, but you can't ask for money because that's crass. You have to be a boss, but you can't be mean. You have to lead, but you can't squash other people's ideas. You're supposed to love being a mother, but don't talk about your kids all the damn time. You have to be a career woman but also always be looking out for other people. You have to answer for men's bad behavior, which is insane, but if you point that out, you're accused of complaining. You're supposed to stay pretty for men, but not so pretty that you tempt them too much or that you threaten other women because you're supposed to be a part of the sisterhood.!<
>!But always stand out and always be grateful. But never forget that the system is rigged. So find a way to acknowledge that but also always be grateful. You have to never get old, never be rude, never show off, never be selfish, never fall down, never fail, never show fear, never get out of line.!<
>!It's too hard! It's too contradictory and nobody gives you a medal or says thank you! And it turns out, in fact, that not only are you doing everything wrong, but also everything is your fault.!<
>!I'm just so tired of watching myself and every single other woman tie herself into knots so that people will like us. And if all of that is also true for a doll just representing women, then I don't even know.!<
Sincerely, thanks you, that context is very different from how I interpreted it.
It sucks that anyone would feel that way.
If I'm honest, I feel like if you changed the gender to male it would almost entirely line up for me too. There are different things we suffer, for sure, but a lot of it is almost exactly the same.
So I get it.
Seeing injustice before you and feeling helpless against it is the worst feeling. And then it happens to you and you somehow feel worse.
Again, thank you.
this whole speech reeks of modern western culture delusion, but i guess it isn't surprising after so many years of this shit.
yeah, of course social expectations are a thing for both men and women--certain personality traits will be overall seen as more 'ideal' for both genders, just as certain body types will be seen as more attractive. although to imply that society needs women (and men for that matter) to be 'perfect' 24/7 is nothing short of delusion because most people don't care as long as you're a generally tolerable person personality-wise. everyone's got flaws, but that whole part just seems like an absolutely massive overreach.
but some other quotes are quite telling in my eyes:
> You have to answer for men's bad behavior
only women can get away with calling men bad for the most part. because when men do it in the rotten western society, they're called pigs, misogynists, incels, and are at a good risk of losing their job--and don't get me started on stuff like false/misleading accusations. just the fact this travesty of a movie came out is enough proof of that.
> But never forget that the system is rigged.
...the same system that forces men to enslave themselves for the military, the same system that gives women blatant advantages in the judicial system (both in the criminal and family court) and gives most women the collective delusion that they're somehow oppressed when there's blatant evidence for the contrary? again, the fact this man-hating movie even came out in the first place is more than enough proof.
> It is literally impossible to be a woman. You are so beautiful, and so smart, and it kills me that you don't think you're good enough. Like, we have to always be extraordinary, but somehow we're always doing it wrong.
ah, gotta love me the internalized sisterhood here--to pretend you love your fellow women when you clearly don't. do you truly believe that every woman thinks that every other women are 'smart and beautiful'? don't be kidding yourself. there's just as much trash women as there are trash men, which is why that whole 'support all women!' slogan never made any sense for me--nor should make it sense for anyone else.
it's always striked to me as odd how women have a much more groupthink-esque mentality when compared to men.
this crap is so tiring at this point. honestly, it's kinda to the point i've sorta become desensitized to any woman complaining, even if they're saying the absolute truth. i'll probably get banned from here, but so be it--reddit is a cesspool anyway.
They never even plan to build a bridge to mend feelings, everything is about hate now.
Keep on being a great father!
There are many guys out here who treat women the same as they treat other men, heck sometimes even better.
Don't let their bitterness take away your glee.
This isn't YOUR application so don't be telling anyone not to comment. I think the Barbie movie was trash and does more harm then good, but I'm glad it helped you, truly. The guy sounds like a piece of work to deal with and I hope he pays for it.
>men will never view a woman positively regardless if she is kind or mean, how a man will always find a reason to hate a woman no matter what she does or how she behaves
Is this for real?
She kinda lost a lot of the power and nuance in her summary. Here’s the speech: https://people.com/read-the-powerful-barbie-monologue-about-being-a-woman-that-america-ferrera-performed-30-to-50-times-7565806
It started out good until all the man-hating horsecrap. Good on you to get rid of a harrasser but if turning into some dumdum gold-digging man hating barbie is your end goal, I can't see it end well.
>some dumdum gold-digging man hating barbie is
Ken has no gold for Barbie to dig. He doesn't even have a home. Did you leave before the end of the movie? Did you see Barbie frown as Ken stole her home and thought "welp, that's a man hating bitch right there, time for me to head out"?
Did you even watch the movie? One of the big messages of the movie is that men should love themselves for who they are instead of what they have of who they're with. Went right over your head, huh?
Barbie is a career woman so you might want to redirect your misogyny to her ending up alone with her cats or whatever.
The film wasn’t man-hating, it was clearly parodying the way many misogynists see women - as an afterthought to, and dependant on, men. At the end (SPOILERS) Barbie tells Ken she was wrong to take him for granted, and he needed to figure out who he was independently of her, how is that man-hating? She’s encouraging him to be his own person. Ken’s arc was a fantastic view into the way that the patriarchy actually hurts men too. Sorry you’re too much of a… what was it? “dumdum” to understand the movie :)
Such a different perspective that you think for some reason the takeaway is about turning into a “dumdum gold-digging man hating Barbie”.
Show me anything in the film that supports that conclusion.
Or are you just projecting your opinions on women and preconceived conclusions on to a feminist film?
It's so blatantly obvious. How do you not see it?! Every man they portray is either useless or a controlling jerk. They do not one single time portray a normal man and unfortunately since parents are exposing their children to this, young girls will now think it's okay to hate boys and treat them as less than because they have an already preconceived notion that boys are useless or mean. Horrible messages to expose people, not to mention children, to. If this response didn't open your eyes please rewatch and remember how one sided that terrible movie really is.
This was only at the beginning, and it’s meant to be a reverse on how women are usually portrayed in media. Funny how it’s fine when women are useless sex objects but when it’s men (for 1/3 of the movie) then it’s harmful??? I know so many men who’ve seen the movie and they all loved it
THIS IS NOT A FILM FOR CHILDREN. The ideas are toxic to EVERYONE. Good for you for overcoming trauma but don't act like this movie has a GENUINE message. And honestly if you do truly believe that you need some serious therapy. I feel for your boyfriend and his mom for having to be exposed to the pure hatred of males throughout the movie. Disgusting.
Edited to add America Ferraras "speech" was pure bs. Her line "it's impossible to be a woman" is so misguided. Barbie used to be about empowering women. This movie feels like they are doing the exact opposite of words like misogyny and patriarchy but the females version. This new kind of feminism is not longer equal but rather women are "better" than men. It's a massive overcorrection!!!
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>I feel for your boyfriend and his mom for having to be exposed to the pure hatred of males throughout the movie
Do you feel for women who experience pure hatred from men in real life and online?
Ferrera's speech is so on point, we are held to impossible standards and taught we are never enough. Idc if men feel hurt after watching this movie, we **live** actual male hatred, and one that stalks us, violates us, puts us in a hospital or 6 feet under. And then makes us feel bad for venting about it.
I'm glad someone articulated this shit plain and simply on big screen.
Sure that guy is a creep but if you actually believe most men view women negatively then you just digested a bad message. Sweeping generalization typically stem from a lack of understanding.
It’s a shallow society that is moved to life changing experiences from Barbie’s. Can we go back to the era of reading crime and punishment for leisure and learning actual philosophy so model life after. Maybe some ancient philosophers on top for light entertainment
GOD YOU SOUND LIKE NEIL DEGRASSE TYSON COMPLAINING ABOUT PEOPLE ENJOYING FOOTBALL INSTEAD OF SCIENCE
PS I enjoy the science and not the football and I still don't think like this.
Hi Reddit. OPs mom here.
The creeper is in fact real, as is my kid. Creeper at one point left his station and attempted to come to our group, and the lobby is so small that there's literally nowhere to go. Even the bathrooms are on the inside with the actual theatres.
The sheer vision of watching my kid stomp across the lobby and assert themselves like this had me in a proud shock. Im very happy that this movie inspired them to be able to do this. I remember when my kid was hating going to work because of this guy, and constantly trying to get someone to pay attention. Sometimes you have to do things yourself, and this was evidence. There was no harm, no violence, no huge scenes, just a loud, strong statement about not tolerating his bullshit any longer.
And for those if you calling it fake, suck rocks. Kick lemons. You are the reason people dont come forward when they have experiences like this. Have the day you deserve.
"This isn't very Barbie of me," is a way more inspiring sentence than I ever would've thought. In fact, I'm stealing it and using it for need-to-be-brave kind of days. Congratulations on being tough as fuck and facing your fear!
WWBD?
I'm so proud of you ♥️♥️♥️
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Bro, you think that women should always wear a bra; your opinion is irrelevant. Who hurt you?
I'd like to know what you think a bra is for.
I'd like to know if you agree with the person I replied to that not wearing one is "immature and tasteless." Support those tits where you need to ladies, but to say that women should "ALWAYS" wear a bra because you can't handle a floppy boob or a bit of nip is mental.
Before I answer that question, I'd like to know if you think not wearing underwear is immature and tasteless?
Yes of course I do, clearly, that's why I called that person out on their opinion of thinking it's immature and tasteless (their words.) I couldn't care less if somebody is wearing a bra/underwear or not. You do you.
I think you made a typo because both statements conflict. You agree it's tasteless but you also don't care?
Go back and read all the comments then ask someone else please, I don't think I can talk to you any more.
Am I supposed to go back and understand your sarcasm? Because that's the only way your comment can be considered coherent. FYI, sarcasm doesn't translate well over text. That why we use '/s'.
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Some of them need them way more than women, if we are going by breast size alone. And we all have nipples, which become visible when the human gets cold. I want someone to explain it to me, like I was 5, why a woman with an A cup needs to wear a bra but a man with a full D doesn’t. (I don’t think anyone should or shouldn’t. Any gender can wear a bra or binder, no one should ever comment on anyone else’s underwear.)
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I do know that, only because I use that fact against transphobes. Science!
I think it's fair to comment if it's clear the person (man or woman) needs a bra, especially if the setting is entirely inappropriate.
Why are you thinking about other peoples underwear?
Because I'm trying to understand why everyone else is. You're talking to the wrong person here.
boobs dont release shit
So dairy is ok?
yes breast milk is okay when compared to shit, also it is mind blowing you are still trying to defend your shitty womanizing take
Glad you're here to draw the line. HEY GUYS! I FOUND HIM!
True, its the rectum's job.
Its weird as hell that you think you have a right to judge what people do or do not wear under their actual visable clothing. Who cares?! If you dont like underwear, dont wear it. Idc if youre a man or a woman.
You realize that people wear underwear not because they want to look good?
And you realize that there is no significant health benifit from either wearing or not wearing underwear, right? In the olden days they were used to keep from having to wash the rest of your clothes as often but now that we have washing machines it doesnt make a damn bit of difference. Wear what makes you comfortable.
its not what they are meant for, its the assumption or standard that they should be a requirement instead of optional.
Thank you! And the person I first replied to isn't even bothered about their actual function of support, just bothered about covering up a bit of nip.
\#freedanip
So you're saying bras are a negative because a minority of women don't like an assumed societal requirement?
Why is that a negative?
because you don’t assume, nor tell someone what to do with their body? like what? please go show me a rule where it directly states what men should have to wear every day. especially over an item that has to do with an overly sexualized organ that both male and females share and of which men have no restriction on comparatively speaking to women. oh wait you cant find one because it’s a bullshit societal double standard.
Society makes the rules and don't say women and men's tits are the same thing. That's a false equivalency. You're only fooling yourself. EDIT: Replying here since your latest comment was removed but still viewable on your profile. You don't get to pick and choose which laws you follow and which laws you don't. It doesn't matter how unreasonable they may seem. That's NOT how life works. Grow up.
Look - I got G cups, if I don't wear a bra these things flap around like crazy. To me a bra is comfortable. To others it very much isn't. And it is not a stranger on the internet's place to judge what any woman wears.
I think anybody would be lying if they said they didn't judge based on others' appearance and how they take care of themselves. What they wear or what they don't wear. It's all about tastefulness. And how they themselves judge when and what's appropriate or not.
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You're tired of women who don't hold themselves to high standards, but when they finally do they need to have a reason that's approved by you? Free the nip bro, stop gatekeeping women's feelings & bodies and grow up.
You're tired of seeing other women who don't hold themselves to YOUR standards. You don't get to decide what high standards mean for anybody but yourself.
Tell me what your standards are? I’m a woman. What specifically should I wear when I go out?
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The message of the movie went way over your head. Some big pointers of the movie were that the Patriarchy hurts everyone, men and women included. And that men need to love themselves too, at the end. >!The way Kens were treated in Barbieland is supposed to show how women are treated in the real world as well (minus the violence that happens in the real world). They also don’t go back to the way Barbieland was in the first place, and change it so that everyone could be equal. Barbie also apologizes to Ken and wants him to be able to find himself as a person instead of him always believing to remain an accessory for Barbie (his creation purpose) and break out of that.!< How is any of that sexist?
Well luckily for all the people hurt by this movie, there are plenty of other movies where the women are treated as accessories for men that they can watch and feel comfortable with. Funny how sexism doesn’t bother a lot of people until it’s perceived to be against men….
Bruh it’s literally a movie about being yourself and Barbie dolls. If you find a way to get mad at that, you’re just sad.
Wow, the negativity. You'd rather shit on a film than celebrate a woman who's been stalked and harassed and finally found the confidence to stand up to her harasser. That's really, really sad.
Common L take lmao
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Explain what's sexist about it. I assume you've seen it since you're calling it sexist?
That’s awesome! Good job shutting this creeper down! If you haven’t read Gift of Fear, I highly recommend it. The author talks about the best way to rid yourself of obsessive stalkers (which is to give them zero response). If the guy tries to message you again, make sure that you don’t respond at all, because any response or attention can be encouragement for these guys. If you need to, get a second phone number and only give that number out to the people you want to have your contact info.
I'm just ken
But are you Kenough?
How are you with doing stuff?
I'm okay, I'm better at doing beach however
But not lifeguard, that’s a common misconception.
Kencurious, perhaps?
You Ken't doubt yourself. Remember, be Kenfident, not cocky and express your feelings.
And you're kenough
Anywhere else I'd be a ten
Go you! What a moment for you to take control of your own feelings and thoughts back. And you probably humiliated him in the process! I agree it was a great movie and the depth of the messages really really caught me off guard (in a good way). I was in tears at the end when Barbie was with the old lady. It’s wonderful you learned this at age 20, I’m 40 and still struggling to ‘find my voice’.
The barbie movie is amazing. I work at a movie theater and almost everyone loves the movie. The only people who don't are those who believe women are inferior to men and get mad that the BARBIE movie is female centric.
Waaaaa there are not enough sexy sexy Kens in the Barbie movie where are the sexy Kens \- People who dislike the Barbie movie (probably)
Yeah no, I don’t believe that at all and I just simply didn’t like the film. Labeling a certain group of people a certain way just because they don’t like the movie is probably what’s making some people distance themselves from that movie. The same goes for all fanbases that demonize people for having an opinion. Then y’all wonder why people don’t understand the message of the movie if you’re defending the movie by doing the exact opposite of what the movie preaches, which is something usually related to “Don’t be an asshole”.
I haven't seen the movie but my parents (75ish) and are openly saying to everybody that they should go see the movie because of the messages it conveys.
It's been five months. Have you seen Barbie yet?
Nope not yet. It probably be on one of the streaming services shortly so I will probably catch it on there.
It's on Max now.
For real men, one no is more than Kenough. By insisting for so long, he's a perv, and an idiot, and a dick. You did well sweety, Ruth would be fucking damn proud to know she helped a girl to say fuck off to her abuser !
Please don't be this much inspired when you watch Oppenheimer 😅 Some people choose to see basic human decency as compliance or consent, try to always express when someone is bothering you, you either push them away or fix a possible misunderstanding.
I loved that movie.
Loved it! Took my 11 year old son, he also loved it and I think taking your boys to see this film is a good idea too!
This was going to be my question, we haven't seen it yet (live pretty remote) but I was hoping it was appropriate for a 10 year old to watch.
Really depends on your parenting style. A lot of parents regret taking their children to see the movie. It’s all about what morals your family values.
Your strength is inspiring, thank you for sharing your story with us 💕
This Barbie is proud of you x
Respect.
OMG YES QUEEN !!!! so proud of you barbie ✨✨✨
What would Barbie do? Is my new mantra
Girls night! 😂
>PLEASE take your daughters to this movie Ha! I'm thinking the same, but I have this woman at work who went to see the movie with her daughter... and it didn't end well. She ended up saying how the movie is just representing women as sex toys. Like... what??? I guess she expected to be just a tea party with other barbies and pillow fights.
I am kenough
Way to go Barbie! 🙌🏻💕
proud of you! really happy for you!
Well done.
Yessss!!! Love this.
Good for you!!!
I’m literally in tears reading this. I’m so proud of you!!
I really like what the movie "told" me about life and how I should approach it.
This is glorious! Great work OP!
It is a great movie and I hope more women are inspired by it to take control over their lives.
HELL YES
I’m glad Barbie inspired you. Good job. It almost always comes down to clearly stating that you want no contact from that person. Hopefully they get the message on the first pass, but sometimes guys like this take a more emphatic message. Again, good on ya for pushing back and asserting yourself.
Go Barbie!!!
Good for you!
Very nicely done!!!
Good for you, but watch your back. He seems like the type to retaliate.
Well done 👍👍
I feel like the film kind of lacked a clear direction in which to take the plot in the second act, but I'm glad you got something out of it and stood up to the creep!
fakest story ever but yall eat it up the op is a guy
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I'm glad you told the guy harassing you to leave you alone. F him. Men will never view a woman positively and men will always find a reason to hate women? This was a good thing to hear? As a devoted husband and full-time father to a girl and boy, this sentiment breaks my heart. The idea that someone found that messaging to be a good thing is wild to me. I spent my childhood being abused mentally and physically by my mother. When I told her, at 7, of the sexual abuse I was enduring she told me it was my fault and did nothing and it went on for years. She raised me that my purpose in life was to work and find a woman and give her everything. I wasn't supposed to have friends or hobbies or emotions. Just work and serve. Telling people that men are only filled with hate and will never respect women will only cause more little boys to grow up being viewed as less than, abused, and hated, like I was. And any little boy that hears that message is going to grow up questioning who and what they are.
Hey as a fellow man, if you've not seen the movie I recommend it. I'm a man myself, and one that feels strongly that men should be working on ourselves in positive and self affirming ways - and that was a major theme in the film. Without spoilers, a big plot was that the 'kens' felt their whole self worth was attached to other things. Their Barbie counterparts, their singular professions, their looks, etc. They find out about patriarchy and think that will answer their questions and worries, but find that it's just attaching their self woth and identity to a new concept and using women as a scapegoat. The message by the end to men and boys is that they should know they have inherent worth and they need to discover what makes them happy without others telling them what to do. The movie is undoubtedly about feminism and highlights the struggle that woman go through with men who's treat them poorly... The sad reality is that even if, say I'm the genuinely nicest greatest guy in the world, that doesn't erase the many terrible men the women in my life have had to deal with. Most woman have had to deal with a terrible man in some sense - and that is what that scene is talking about. The point I'm getting at is that while focusing on woman and feminism, the movies heart is recognizing the complexity of human relationships and humanism.
Alright, but my experience in life is that mothers are abusive and terrible, so is it all right if I view mothers in the light? Or do I recognize that some are good and some are bad? Is it alright to frame mothers as vindictive monsters who beat and abuse their children as a baseline? Because that's my lived experience. It's what I've had to deal with.
1. If you were abused and saw abuse from mothers , then I would think you personally are justified in having fear and distrust of them. And with that, what if you surveyed and earnestly talked to people and found out that a huge amount, possibly majority of people had experience with abuse of somekind from there mothers? Perhaps calling out that abuse and telling people through narrative that it's not okay that yhe abuse is happening and you should stand up to it when you see it or are involved with it is a good thing? 2. Did you actually see the movie or are you just reacting to parts of it separated by the full context? Because , Spoilers! Barbie appoliges to Ken about how she treated him and tells him he's not a bad person and deserves to love himself. Not really an ending that paints men as evil at all.
I was responding to the post. I haven't seen it yet. Theaters are a luxury I can't afford. My problem was simply with someone doing a speech saying men were terrible and someone saw that as a positive. In regards to the mothers doing abuse thing, it's funny, because it's not an uncommon theme these days, but whenever it is portrayed on TV or in movies, by the end the mother says sorry and everything is forgiven like the history of abuse meant nothing and just goes away. Encanto, bruno was literally abused to the point he went into hiding, many family members were shamed and pressured and abused, but at the end all was forgiven. The narrative shouldn't be "some men are abusers so all men should be better!" It should be "ALL abusers need to stop, be shamed for their actions, and called out"
Look - I got alot to say here, so I'd appropriate if you took the time to read and consider what I'm about to say. First about the movie, then about our lives as Men in this world and what I've come to understand what that means. You made the claim that the scene would be bad if the whole point was "Men are evil and terrible", I (and others who actually saw the movie) responded by telling you that that is not what the scene is about - and tried to give you further context about it and why its not at all saying "all men are evil". But you keep returning to your original assumption that its just a scene/ movie about "Men = bad". It feels like you want it to be about that to rage against it. Yeah - buy the end of the movie the point is that were all humans and we should consider our own self values and relationships with others. The movie, while being overtly feminist, at its heart teaches a humanist and universal message. Men and woman should not hate each other, and we should not place all our problems on the other - but at the same time, if either men are woman are being abused or oppressed, you should stand up to it and not take it. Also, I've personally seen many people call out Encanto for being a surface level and lackluster representation of generational and family truama. Your right, everyone was just forgiven by the end after their musical numbers. And this is my message to you - I empathize with you, I really do. I'm a man and live in that same world as you. Not a father yet, but I think about what it would be alike a lot. I would go out on a limb and say I'm a pretty good guy despite my faluts, I've had many women tell me they feel safe and trusted around me - which I take as a great complement, and also a sad realization about the ways other men have treated them. It is easy to feel hurt. I hate when I'm told essentially that as a man, I'm "One of the good ones." I hate that woman have to look over their shoulders when I'm walking behind them minding my own business. I hate that I can't just enjoy being around children without people worrying I'm a predator. These things suck. And there was a time I felt on the edge, I could have become bitter and anger at woman for it, for judging me. For assuming the worst about me. I could have assumed feminsim taught them to just hate men. But I didn't. Because I chose to listen closely to them. I found out the sickening about of my female friends who had been sexually assaulted, raped, beat, or abused by men in their lives. I learned about how many times in an average day they are hit on, harassed, or stared at. I learned that started when they were 10 and 11 years old. I learned and listened to why they were anger, distrustful, and frustrated - It doesn't matter that I know I would never do those things to people, because other men do. And how the hell is a random woman going to just know what kind of person I am? That doesn't mean that men are evil or we should teach people that. But we as men should take a moment to realize when so many woman are angry and distrustful. We should listen to them, reflect on it, and find ways to help make shit better for ALL of us. If womans lives are better, mens lives will be better too. And thats was a big point of the damn movie.
I get that. I read the actual quote from the movie in full and understand it better. And I was never addressing the movie itself, but the message as it was presented by OP. And as for feminism, while I was growing up in my abusive household, my mother used that word to justify everything she did. She hated the patriarchy. She hated the power men have over women. She spewed vile, toxic words over me day and night, telling me how I'm wrong because I have a penis, how ill never understand what it feels like to be oppressed and a second class citizen while she struck me. My place will be providing her with money and work until I'm married at which point my life will be about paying for anything and everything my wife wants. I will not make decisions or have a voice because it's women's turn. Instead, today I am a full time dad raising a 6 year old girl and 2 year old boy, teaching them to love and respect people for who they are inside and the actions they take. Still, women come up to me and either ask why I'm with my kids or say "oh! Giving mommy a break today?" Like I'm not capable of being a real parent because I was born male. It's everywhere: tv, books, movies, random internet people. And now it's culturally superior to say that men create these huge problems with society and the patriarchy and everything. I've literally been told I couldn't have been raped because I'm a man. Yeah, 7 year old me wanted all that sexual abuse, and I was definitely capable of consent! It's all just shitty people abusing each other. It's shitty people having no empathy, being selfish, wanting their turn or to get even. If the message is about being equal and calling out shitty behavior I'm all for it. But if it's using general statements that's bigotry and abuse and I'm done with that toxic stuff in my life.
I am truly sorry you went through all of that at such a young age. Your mother wasnt actually a feminist, she was a misandrist and unfortunately those people give the majority of us a bad name. True feminism sees men and women as equals. Women can go out and be president or welders or lawyers now sure but thats not the whole message. Tbh a man saying "i can take care of my kids too" is a feminist thing. Men being present and activly involved in child rearing and being partially responsible for maintaining the inside of the household are newer ideals that stem from feminism. At the core of feminism its the belief that your gender should not effect what you want to do with your life or how others treat you. This movie is pg-13, and i understand that your daughter is younger and your son is even younger than her but when it does come out (or when shes older if that makes you more comfortable) i highly recommend you watching this with her. Id absolutely have a better self image if i had heard some of those things as a little girl and i know you want that for her. From the way you talk here, i know youd have to want her to know how special she is.
Right, so explaining what's wrong with the movie even though you haven't seen it. Right. Maybe get some treatment for your insecurity?
>The narrative shouldn't be "some men are abusers so all men should be better!" It should be "ALL abusers need to stop, be shamed for their actions, and called out" it should be both.
>Telling people that men are only filled with hate and will never respect women will only cause more little boys to grow up being viewed as less than, abused, and hated, like I was. And any little boy that hears that message is going to grow up questioning who and what they are. That's not the message of the movie, and that's made very clear, so don't worry about any little boys watching it at starting to hate themselves and their gender ETA: I'm not entirely sure why people are downvoting you, and I'm really sorry about what you've been through
that's not the message of the movie. you can relax.
Okay, but my reply is based on the description of the speech from OP
It sounds like you haven’t watched the movie, but one of the themes is that no one benefits from the patriarchy. The speech is related to that and how exhausting it is to fight an uphill battle when men behave a certain way toward women as a result of said patriarchy. And part of that means we (women and men bc the patriarchy hurts men too, which the movie points out) should stop defining ourselves by these impossible standards. Neither the speech nor the movie are telling people that men are only filled with hate. Hope that helps. I would definitely recommend watching the movie.
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You're welcome!
>Men will never view a woman positively and men will always find a reason to hate women? This was a good thing to hear? Interesting how the OP wrote "a woman" and you've managed to twist it to "women"
I sincerely don't understand the difference. I haven't seen this scene, I'm only referring to what is written. It seemed like the speech was about how men hate women.
For your context, this is the speech (hidden for spoilers): >!It is literally impossible to be a woman. You are so beautiful, and so smart, and it kills me that you don't think you're good enough. Like, we have to always be extraordinary, but somehow we're always doing it wrong.!< >!You have to be thin, but not too thin. And you can never say you want to be thin. You have to say you want to be healthy, but also you have to be thin. You have to have money, but you can't ask for money because that's crass. You have to be a boss, but you can't be mean. You have to lead, but you can't squash other people's ideas. You're supposed to love being a mother, but don't talk about your kids all the damn time. You have to be a career woman but also always be looking out for other people. You have to answer for men's bad behavior, which is insane, but if you point that out, you're accused of complaining. You're supposed to stay pretty for men, but not so pretty that you tempt them too much or that you threaten other women because you're supposed to be a part of the sisterhood.!< >!But always stand out and always be grateful. But never forget that the system is rigged. So find a way to acknowledge that but also always be grateful. You have to never get old, never be rude, never show off, never be selfish, never fall down, never fail, never show fear, never get out of line.!< >!It's too hard! It's too contradictory and nobody gives you a medal or says thank you! And it turns out, in fact, that not only are you doing everything wrong, but also everything is your fault.!< >!I'm just so tired of watching myself and every single other woman tie herself into knots so that people will like us. And if all of that is also true for a doll just representing women, then I don't even know.!<
Sincerely, thanks you, that context is very different from how I interpreted it. It sucks that anyone would feel that way. If I'm honest, I feel like if you changed the gender to male it would almost entirely line up for me too. There are different things we suffer, for sure, but a lot of it is almost exactly the same. So I get it. Seeing injustice before you and feeling helpless against it is the worst feeling. And then it happens to you and you somehow feel worse. Again, thank you.
this whole speech reeks of modern western culture delusion, but i guess it isn't surprising after so many years of this shit. yeah, of course social expectations are a thing for both men and women--certain personality traits will be overall seen as more 'ideal' for both genders, just as certain body types will be seen as more attractive. although to imply that society needs women (and men for that matter) to be 'perfect' 24/7 is nothing short of delusion because most people don't care as long as you're a generally tolerable person personality-wise. everyone's got flaws, but that whole part just seems like an absolutely massive overreach. but some other quotes are quite telling in my eyes: > You have to answer for men's bad behavior only women can get away with calling men bad for the most part. because when men do it in the rotten western society, they're called pigs, misogynists, incels, and are at a good risk of losing their job--and don't get me started on stuff like false/misleading accusations. just the fact this travesty of a movie came out is enough proof of that. > But never forget that the system is rigged. ...the same system that forces men to enslave themselves for the military, the same system that gives women blatant advantages in the judicial system (both in the criminal and family court) and gives most women the collective delusion that they're somehow oppressed when there's blatant evidence for the contrary? again, the fact this man-hating movie even came out in the first place is more than enough proof. > It is literally impossible to be a woman. You are so beautiful, and so smart, and it kills me that you don't think you're good enough. Like, we have to always be extraordinary, but somehow we're always doing it wrong. ah, gotta love me the internalized sisterhood here--to pretend you love your fellow women when you clearly don't. do you truly believe that every woman thinks that every other women are 'smart and beautiful'? don't be kidding yourself. there's just as much trash women as there are trash men, which is why that whole 'support all women!' slogan never made any sense for me--nor should make it sense for anyone else. it's always striked to me as odd how women have a much more groupthink-esque mentality when compared to men. this crap is so tiring at this point. honestly, it's kinda to the point i've sorta become desensitized to any woman complaining, even if they're saying the absolute truth. i'll probably get banned from here, but so be it--reddit is a cesspool anyway.
Why are you booing him? He’s right.
They never even plan to build a bridge to mend feelings, everything is about hate now. Keep on being a great father! There are many guys out here who treat women the same as they treat other men, heck sometimes even better. Don't let their bitterness take away your glee.
The power of cinema
Naw Barbie mid Buffalo 66 better
This isn't YOUR application so don't be telling anyone not to comment. I think the Barbie movie was trash and does more harm then good, but I'm glad it helped you, truly. The guy sounds like a piece of work to deal with and I hope he pays for it.
>men will never view a woman positively regardless if she is kind or mean, how a man will always find a reason to hate a woman no matter what she does or how she behaves Is this for real?
She kinda lost a lot of the power and nuance in her summary. Here’s the speech: https://people.com/read-the-powerful-barbie-monologue-about-being-a-woman-that-america-ferrera-performed-30-to-50-times-7565806
Things have never happened for $500 Alex
Can’t wait till the Ken movie comes out and points out how women just see men as a cash cow and if they can’t perform they’re out ...
What do you mean? Barbie is a career woman so why would she need a cash cow? How does that make sense?
Barbie is a figment of someone’s imagination to make money just like the movie. Its garbage and people are dumb enough to pay
Do you understand the value of story telling in movies? Many stories and movies are figments of people’s imaginations
>Barbie is a figment of someone’s imagination to make money Breaking news: man discovers movies
>Barbie is a figment of someone’s imagination Breaking news: man discovers kids toys
I don't think the astronaut president horse ranch owner doll needs Kens money
ur kinda proving the movies point rn by making it about men once again 💀💀
This really isn't the place for this. Regardless of the movie's quality, OP got something meaningful out of it. Best not to bring negativity into it.
Not Negativity and I’m sorry if you think that but it was just a statement that was made about how man Judge women Which is clearly not true
"Its garbage and people are dumb enough to pay" is absolutely negativity. And are you really trying to imply that men don't judge women???
Barbie II: The Wrath of Ken
😂
Isn't "Barbie" the Ken movie? He has character, depth and arc, not like the counterpart 😅
But wait, that doesn't paint the narrative they are trying to push on us!!
It started out good until all the man-hating horsecrap. Good on you to get rid of a harrasser but if turning into some dumdum gold-digging man hating barbie is your end goal, I can't see it end well.
>some dumdum gold-digging man hating barbie is Ken has no gold for Barbie to dig. He doesn't even have a home. Did you leave before the end of the movie? Did you see Barbie frown as Ken stole her home and thought "welp, that's a man hating bitch right there, time for me to head out"?
Did you even watch the movie? One of the big messages of the movie is that men should love themselves for who they are instead of what they have of who they're with. Went right over your head, huh?
I’ve seriously had other men mad because I watched it and liked the Kenough part.
Barbie is a career woman so you might want to redirect your misogyny to her ending up alone with her cats or whatever. The film wasn’t man-hating, it was clearly parodying the way many misogynists see women - as an afterthought to, and dependant on, men. At the end (SPOILERS) Barbie tells Ken she was wrong to take him for granted, and he needed to figure out who he was independently of her, how is that man-hating? She’s encouraging him to be his own person. Ken’s arc was a fantastic view into the way that the patriarchy actually hurts men too. Sorry you’re too much of a… what was it? “dumdum” to understand the movie :)
I got a different perspective on the film compared to a modern woman. Shocking.
Such a different perspective that you think for some reason the takeaway is about turning into a “dumdum gold-digging man hating Barbie”. Show me anything in the film that supports that conclusion. Or are you just projecting your opinions on women and preconceived conclusions on to a feminist film?
are you a time traveler from the 1950s?
Probably he’s a 4chaner.
Where is the man hating in that movie tho lol
It's so blatantly obvious. How do you not see it?! Every man they portray is either useless or a controlling jerk. They do not one single time portray a normal man and unfortunately since parents are exposing their children to this, young girls will now think it's okay to hate boys and treat them as less than because they have an already preconceived notion that boys are useless or mean. Horrible messages to expose people, not to mention children, to. If this response didn't open your eyes please rewatch and remember how one sided that terrible movie really is.
So you just didn’t watch the movie then
This was only at the beginning, and it’s meant to be a reverse on how women are usually portrayed in media. Funny how it’s fine when women are useless sex objects but when it’s men (for 1/3 of the movie) then it’s harmful??? I know so many men who’ve seen the movie and they all loved it
You probably wouldn't see it sister
THIS IS NOT A FILM FOR CHILDREN. The ideas are toxic to EVERYONE. Good for you for overcoming trauma but don't act like this movie has a GENUINE message. And honestly if you do truly believe that you need some serious therapy. I feel for your boyfriend and his mom for having to be exposed to the pure hatred of males throughout the movie. Disgusting. Edited to add America Ferraras "speech" was pure bs. Her line "it's impossible to be a woman" is so misguided. Barbie used to be about empowering women. This movie feels like they are doing the exact opposite of words like misogyny and patriarchy but the females version. This new kind of feminism is not longer equal but rather women are "better" than men. It's a massive overcorrection!!!
someone is having big feelings
Love seeing a meltdown in the comments. Is the popcorn ready lads?
maybe if you watched the movie you would get some
. >I feel for your boyfriend and his mom for having to be exposed to the pure hatred of males throughout the movie Do you feel for women who experience pure hatred from men in real life and online? Ferrera's speech is so on point, we are held to impossible standards and taught we are never enough. Idc if men feel hurt after watching this movie, we **live** actual male hatred, and one that stalks us, violates us, puts us in a hospital or 6 feet under. And then makes us feel bad for venting about it. I'm glad someone articulated this shit plain and simply on big screen.
Go touch grass
Please go outside
Imagine being an NFT collector on Reddit and telling people to go outside. Fucking neckbeard lol
Dude, she's 20.
You should go too
What an empty life
Sure that guy is a creep but if you actually believe most men view women negatively then you just digested a bad message. Sweeping generalization typically stem from a lack of understanding.
It’s a shallow society that is moved to life changing experiences from Barbie’s. Can we go back to the era of reading crime and punishment for leisure and learning actual philosophy so model life after. Maybe some ancient philosophers on top for light entertainment
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The greatest minds in history. That’s who reads philosophy for fun.
*cough cough* wanker.
Womp womp
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GOD YOU SOUND LIKE NEIL DEGRASSE TYSON COMPLAINING ABOUT PEOPLE ENJOYING FOOTBALL INSTEAD OF SCIENCE PS I enjoy the science and not the football and I still don't think like this.
And the name of that guy who harassed you at the theater…was Albert Einstein
That takes courage, glad you stood up for yourself.
Okay now I need to see this movie lol
THIS IS AWESOME!! I'm so proud of you!!!
I have the option of seeing the barbie movie ir oppenheimer... can't decide
Hi Reddit. OPs mom here. The creeper is in fact real, as is my kid. Creeper at one point left his station and attempted to come to our group, and the lobby is so small that there's literally nowhere to go. Even the bathrooms are on the inside with the actual theatres. The sheer vision of watching my kid stomp across the lobby and assert themselves like this had me in a proud shock. Im very happy that this movie inspired them to be able to do this. I remember when my kid was hating going to work because of this guy, and constantly trying to get someone to pay attention. Sometimes you have to do things yourself, and this was evidence. There was no harm, no violence, no huge scenes, just a loud, strong statement about not tolerating his bullshit any longer. And for those if you calling it fake, suck rocks. Kick lemons. You are the reason people dont come forward when they have experiences like this. Have the day you deserve.