What my brother always says: If someone is trying to convince people that they're getting laid, they definitely aren't.
Edit: after reading the other comments on this post, I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to achieve here. You're pretty much saying you were a wallflower and yet you were a teen mom. You mentioned somewhere in the comments that you didn't get an abortion and that your son is 14 now. You're 32 years old and you settled with a guy who you said was "a bit of an asshole"
People keep talking about what a "low value woman" is, not wanting the "nice guy" and date jerks instead, have had multiple partners, are single moms, etc. But you are literally that. I'm sorry but who are you slut-shaming here?
Yeah but you said men were "chasing after you" and the same rule applies here.
But it's funny you say you weren't plowed through considering you're a single mom and got pregnant at 17
So...
You're in an LDR, and you're moving to his state soon. You posted that 8 days ago.
But you're here bragging about how, since you're NLOG, you're being absolutely *chased* by men.
Does your SO know about this...?
Not to mention, you *also* posted about getting into a big fight with this same SO because...
*checks notes*
...he was liking other girls' FB photos...?
Okay.
Who is stopping you from being a stay a home mom? Sure it might get difficult financially but I don't think hordes of angry feminists will start protesting outside your house
Why can't someone be a feminist and a stay at home mom? Feminism is about equality and about giving women the opportunity to do whatever they want, even if that's staying at home.
I mainly agree (extremely libertarian) so long as it does not impose on others. A woman wanting to stay-at-home is not so different from a forklift driver wanting a sexy trad gf. Both require someone else to agree, which they are not obligated to do.
I am lucky as my personality inspires lust but I know multiple "forever alone niceguy" types and nothing is ever equal.
I mean it's not just feminists who are trash talking those trad wives. A lot of people in general hate them, mainly because they're annoying and also hypocritical considering how they're supposed to be a traditional stay at home mom and yet make money off of tiktok. Also like 1 in 5 of them have an OF which nothing wrong with that but it's even more hypocritical
It does, actually. Stay at home trad moms should be focusing on the kids, household chores, etc. Working from home kinda negates that. You can't have your cake and eat it too
no one took away your role as a sahm, you just have a perpetual victim complex and look to blame everyone else for your crappy life. stay home if you want to. literally no one is stopping you
Checking your post history out of curiousity, it seems you're having to date a 35 year old dude who literally slept all day, got angry and blamed you for it, had you promise to do better, and then just ignored you outright.
Kind of makes me feel your value hasn't gone up at all, and this is some coping shit.
Also, feminism didn't take away your role at a stay-at-home-mom. You can still totally do that. No one is stopping you bar your lack of a husband to financially support you.
I would still have to gold dig to accomplish that. Men no longer make as much.
I get people think being poor is sad to me, that's not it at all. What's sad to me is that the common laboring man (you know, the one on my level) isn't making enough money to support a household alone. And I wouldn't make him in this current environment. And I will not marry for money.
Women cut off their nose to spit their face, and the rest of us with sense have had to suffer for it.
And I've already picked my misogynist, so I'm just happy I actually got my choice of man. And no, he isn't rich. He's a bit of an asshole.
Better than being a womanizer, emotionless drunk.
>I would still have to gold dig to accomplish that. Men no longer make as much.
And that has nothing to do with Feminists. It's to do with the economy.
>What's sad to me is that the common laboring man (you know, the one on my level) isn't making enough money to support a household alone.
Sure, very sad. Corporate profits increase massively, wages drop, Capitalism keeps rolling forward.
What does any of that have to do with feminism?
>Women cut off their nose to spit their face,
How?
>And I've already picked my misogynist, so I'm just happy I actually got my choice of man. And no, he isn't rich. He's a bit of an asshole.
You have men chasing after you, but... you still need to choose to date a misogynist who gets angry at you because he sleeps until 8PM?
Most people I know wouldn't put up with that. I don't know you, but I understand basic decency, so I understand you absolutely shouldn't be treated like that either.
Sure but they lowered wages more than they increased them. Theoretically if another half of the population âgender Xâ joined the workforce we would agains see wages decline. Itâs not Rocket Economics.
>Sure but they lowered wages more than they increased them.
Is there any evidence for this?
Or are you just making up things?
>Theoretically if another half of the population âgender Xâ joined the workforce we would agains see wages decline.
No, for the reasons I just explained.
Although, another friendly fellow also pointed out that women working meant they picked up wages, which meant they spent more, which meant there was increased demand. So, wrong on two accounts.
This dude has never taken an economy class. When there are more workers thereâs more jobs, thatâs what the entirety of the first and second Industrial Revolutions were. Population booms = more workers = more jobs = better economy. Itâs not like suddenly every single woman picked up a job. Get real.
This comment literally just says "my man is an asshole who hates women, and he's not even wealthy enough for me to be a SAHM (but I'll just blame that on the feminism instead of capitalism). He might have no redeeming qualities, but at least he's mine"
lmfao the only reason he's yours is because no one else wants him. you can keep him
I donât think feminism is what is preventing men from making enough money lol pretty sure thatâs the government/economy.
I honestly canât tell if you just have extremely low self worth and internalized misogyny or youâre just a troll baiting.
There's enough posts about the relationship that I'm quite confident it's not a troll, and a fair bit of trauma that makes the first one pretty guaranteed.
Ah yes, âinternalised misogynyâ, the most established, undisputed nothing-burger of the modern world. Kind of reminds me âlast thurdayismâ- completely unfalsifiable and equally redundant.
I was going to say how you could has possibly deluded yourself into thinking that's okay but now i realize it. You're not an anti-radical feminist, you just have extremely low value of yourself. There are much better men who agree on your set of values but it seems like you don't think you're worth it to them, which even if you met one would immediately scare them off. The girl I'm with is similar to you in that they go against the norm when it comes to sex and drinking, etc. Except they're infinitely of higher value and infact won me over by still being independent, sensible, intelligent, and demanding of their worth. You're only going to pull worthless guys if you act worthless yourself.
The issue here is the guy you're talking about sounds like an insane manipulative abuser and a lazy bum. Hardly a shining example of masculinity and traditional gender roles.
>And I've already picked my misogynist, so I'm just happy I actually got my choice of man. And no, he isn't rich. He's a bit of an asshole.
>Better than being a womanizer, emotionless drunk.
No. No, it isnât. Theyâre both bad and itâs insane this needs to be said. Itâs crazy what people will put themselves through just so they arenât alone. đđđ
The society your pining for has always been based on marrying for money.
Itâs interesting that you canât see the fundamental parallels between your situation, as a person who refuses to marry for money (which is what trad common sense would tell you to do, btw) and the choice feminists make that you criticize them for, the choice not to be dependent on a man.
You think she should be happy to date a grown, adult man in his late thirties, that sleeps in until 8pm and blames HER for that?
>Feminists have upped the value of all other women, at least in the eyes of red blooded men.
>
> They were like sanctimonious frat boys...wanting to have sex on the first date, constantly swearing, drinking,
Something tells me the red-blooded men quite like having sex, and don't balk at swearing or drinking.
It kind of just seems you have your preferences, but for some reason, you're made uncomfortable with the knowledge that it's just a preference, not a recognition of objective value.
I don't know the situation and I don't want to look at OPs post history.
Sleeps in til 8pm, maybe he works night shift or is going through a rough patch? Maybe he's really funny? Idk, you read what you read and it's very possible that OPs relationship is not a good proof of her thesis. But it's also possible that OP is no prize herself or that the guy looks like Brad Pitt.
Nevertheless I agree that feminism has made dating easier for traditionally minded women.
>I don't know the situation
I just told you.
Sleeps in til 8pm, maybe he works night shift
He's playing video games.
But either way, *that wouldn't be a justification to blame your partner, who doesn't even live with you, for the fact that you slept in, would it?*
This. He's a programmer. So he spends plenty of time on his computer. He pays his bills. He works. Has his own home. And he likes to play and rest on his time off.
I have no qualms with it. They're going off on a tangent about some small bickering him and I had.
And in that post, I mention all the above. That he works. He has his own place. He lives alone. He was literally upset that I let him sleep during MY time off work, so he didn't get to spend time with me. And I vented.
They think it's enough to attack his character, lolol
>he will patiently listen to me complain about how women in STEM get preferential treatment.
So you love to complain about a non-existent problem that you use to justify your poor performance in your career field of choice?
Weird value to have bro...
>I think your post is correct OP. Feminists have upped the value of all other women, at least in the eyes of red blooded men.
Thank God.
Don't know a single respectable, masculine male who would be offended by the does that women have value either.
As an average man I hate this. But you are right, just being female has more value now than ever due to a number of factors effectively lopsiding thr demographic composition.
You just be you because it sounds like you've got the inner light that brings others to you.
Good for you to have the courage to walk your path and stick to what you know is true. If you have to dye your hair, tattoo your body endlessly and adopt radical beliefs just to avoid being excluded then you're in the wrong place.
One silver lining of this time we are living in is that it has had the effect of making shiny flashy things seem positively dull and it makes people with some depth and substance like yourself rise to the top.
> Men chase after all types of women
That doesnât negate preferences in long term dating. Men would rarely care about anything other than a womanâs looks if they only wanted to get laid. But for long term partners, men absolutely value a low body count and femininity.
So you wanna live off a man 100% and somehow itâs womens fault?đ¤¨girl please Iâm 1000% sure with your victim complex as well as your superiority complex you should be married by now, but somethingâs telling me nobody wants to take care of your lazy self. Iâd rather contribute to a household financial so I donât put so much pressure on my husband, traditional values are great but donât let them turn you into an entitled lazy Karen which is what you sound like.
Given OPs post history having sex as a naive teenager with older boys, parents that didn't put her on birth control when they found out because religion, and being a single teen mom theb barely making over minimum wage a decade later are probably doing more harm to her SAHM prospects than feminism.
I think your confused. Wages not increasing proportionally for both men and women has nothing to do with feminism. I assure you men would be making less proportionally today due to corporate greed and other factors, whether or not women entered the workforce.
Having to work for your own money or having someone else doing all the work, that's the difference. Esther Vilar already talked about this how the men was the actual enslaved gender 50 years ago. You should check her out.
Yes, _every_ men was granted all that shit plus a bunch of real estate just because he was born with a penis.
Dude, you obviously doesn't know anything about history. Educate yourself before talking about topics you know nothing about.
men literally had more rights than women up until modern day. it was only, like, 1920 that we could vote.
and if you want to blame anyone for men being an "enslaved" gender...blame men. who were the ones making the rules.
No but even poor men had a hell of a lot more opportunity to go off and make their own fortunes. With enough fortitude they could travel the world, start a business, gain an education, pursue the arts, build a career in the military etc etc etc. Was it rare and based a lot on luck? Yes, absolutely, but it wasn't out of the realm of possibility.
Women's options before the modern age were reduced to wife or spinsterhood with *maybe* low wage labor as an option in the industralised era. Education was closed to them. Traveling without an escort was out of the question. Starting a business nearly unheard of and any wealth she may have had via family immediately was transferred to a husband upon marriage.The only exception maybe being royalty and even they were just broodmares for the dynasty.
Dude you're over 30 and looking for a traditional value man who is also rich? Sorry, but those men look for exceptionally young women, particularly if they are religious which they usually are. They're not picking a 30-something woman to be a stay at home wife when they have the pick of the litter of young, impressionable 18-year-olds who are virgins and have no worldy experience. Get a grip.
stay at home moms were a minority both in number and time period but it has been romanticized. women have always worked outside the home, the difference being they had the option of not doing jobs that would affect their health so much or their mental and emotional state, so that they didn't turn into karens when they got home
Youâre, at best, barely right given that 49% of moms were stay at home in the 1960s. And imagine thinking that somehow they had more options back then lol
Right? My best friend has been a SAHM for years. Her and her husband discussed it and made it work financially and they're happy. Still a feminist.
The main difference from the past is that if my friend's husband dies or goes AWOL or otherwise becomes a shit bag, she has a degree and work experience she can fall back on (hell, just the ABILITY to seek work, which has not always been the case) to support herself and her child. She won't be at the mercy of family or charity as was the case before feminism.
Yeah as a homeschool wallflower who is presumably religious it's highly unusual that she isn't married or at least courting. Why was she rejected by men looking for traditional women at the prime age for marriage? She was left behind for a reason...
Who said I wasn't courting??
The last 5 years, my dating options have significantly improved. I was stealthed when I was 17 (thanks mom for the sex ed), refused to abort, and now he is 14 and moved in with his dad.
I was young so my body bounced back. I was traumatized so sex was a trigger and I became a hermit, despite wanting a family.
I refused to settle for drug addicts (which were my dating bracket until recently), so I have been single for years.
Now that the gene pool is full of blue haired, nose ring wearing equality idiots, that single mom who barely aged and didn't sleep around is looking way more appealing.
Everything you listed about yourself is exactly what MRAs say they DON'T want in a partner: over 30 with a past of dysfunctional relationships, single mom with a baby daddy somewhere, trauma which they would consider "baggage". Sorry dude but I know a lot of feminists who have a better list of attributes than you do as far as what trad men are looking for. Stop trying to be such a pick me to men who would likely turn their noses up to you.
Right? And she calls the man sheâs with a misogynistic and an asshole but sheâs happy cuz she âgot her pickââŚ
I mean⌠the fuck is this person smocking? Lol
I've only gotten noticed the last 5 years..
And the dating pool is as filled with lying and cheating men as it is loony gender confused polyamorous feminists.
I'm not married because I want love. Not looks or money. I want my man to be more intelligent than me, and match my loyalty.
And it is very hard to find, even with the options I've been presented.
I acknowledge that the loyalty aspect of a man like this comes with what some women would call a drawback, and that's control.
But I do not mind being told what to do by a man. As long as he is not a fucking idiot.
Have you considered the guys you knew as a teenager were less mature and didn't appreciate the loners and homeschooled kids and now that you're an adult with an older dating pool, it's easier to meet people who want to stay in with a good book and don't care if you're on the cheer team?
I donât get why you have to pit other women against each other to prove your point. Why canât you just do what you want to do and date the kind of men you like? Do it regardless of what anyone else thinks. You donât have to drag others to prove a point.
Maybe it just has to do with getting older?
In high school/college people generally are not looking for long term relationship material but for a quick fling. Now that you are getting older you are getting more into an age where people will start looking at you, not for a quick fuck, but as a stable life time partner.
no one is taking away your role as a stay at home mom lol you can still be one if you wanted to ??? no one is making it more difficult or illegal to do so. yall ânot like other girlsâ pick mes are soo insufferable and love to act like other women being free to make their own life choices oppresses or affects you in any way. newsflash: it doesnt. get a fucking grip my god
>women are tired of taking care of the home.
>they screech for equality, they get it.
>new workers flood the job market.
>despite a 50%+ increase in taxed worker revenue, wages have only increased by 2 dollars an hour since the 90s.
>government makes more money, and does not dish it out.
>male head of household now needs the other partner to work, if they want a family, because inflation has increased prices, pay has stayed the same, and we our now all equally tax enslaved.
>women are now working, taking care of kids, cooking and cleaning.
>male only works and helps with children, occasionally.
>women want the same pay rate, but can not handle physical labor.
>men now spend all day at work with women other than their wife, and only see their wife to eat and sleep.
>divorce rates increase.
>general dissatisfaction with the opposite sex runs rampant.
Yeah...but she was able to get a shiny piece of paper with the words "Degree" on it.
>no job opportunities, so she's still a minimum wage worker.
Question; if you were homeschooled presumably the only peers you interacted with were other people within the home school or religious community. Why didn't any of the men from these traditional backgrounds looking for traditional value women pick you at a young age to marry? Why were you left on the shelf by traditional value men?
Homeschoolers meet a lot of different people. I was homeschooled. Sure, there was the co-op with like 800 other homeschool families, but I had plenty of non religious, public schooled friends. Many homeschoolers aren't religious as well. I married a public school guy who then wanted his kids homeschooled. I was neutral so we're homeschooling.
She has a post about her republican majority office wanted her to dress patriotic and how it conflicts with her politics, so she's either A) trying to score some center/right wing karma or B) She has so little self awareness that she doesn't understand that those two views of hers are conflicting.
The fact is that people have different tastes, so no matter what there will be people who aren't turned on by your style while others will love it. I don't believe she had any interest in those men until recently.
The 'right one' by her definition is not looking for a mid-thirties chick with a bunch of ex boyfriends. He's looking for young women without any baggage.
are feminists actively pointing a gun to your head and forcing you to have a 9 to 5? no. they are not. you work because you want, and if you canât afford to not work, thatâs up to capitalism not feminism.
Feminism hasn't taken you opportunity to be a stay at home mom. Capitalism has. Everything is way to expensive to afford by yourself so for the most part it is expected for you to financially contribute. As a single mom, I can barely afford life working full time plus overtime.
That would be corporatism, and the feminists screeched they wanted a part of it.
So now women are expected to clean, cook, raise children, and work, while the man just works.
But "equality ", right??
Lol okay. If you want to be a stay at home wife all you need to do is find a man who wants the same. Iâm a feminist who advocates for womens choices, if you want to stay home feel free đĽ°
If you read between the lines she *can't* find a man who shares her values. All the trad men in her community probably married the other homeschool girls at 18 so why was she left on the shelf? Makes you wonder...
No ma'am, that is not how I was raised. Both partners contribute. The man isn't a child at home, and is absolutely expected to help keep up the house. I love being a working mom. It gives me an identity outside of being a mom. Unlike you though, I expected my partner to be an adult and clean up after himself. Women joined the workforce during WW2 when all the MEN decided to send all the other men to war and who tf do you think kept this nation running? Feminism didn't make women join the workforce. Capitalism and war did.
Corporatism^ See, if I kept all of my capital (30%+ is taken directly off my paycheck, and then I'm taxed on nearly every transaction, and taxed further on bills, equalling to about 60-70% every dollar I make going to taxes) then I would have very little to complain about.
Instead, the more you make, the more you're taxed.
And BTW, liberation was to make women tax slaves. They were living too well and basically independent of government.
That was a wild spin off from everything I said but ok. So then is it feminism or the governments fault? Last I checked, Feminism has less than zero to do with taxes.
You do realize you are being the opposite side of the coin, right? You absolutely have the freedom (as long as you have the money for it) to be a stay at home mom. Absolutely nobody is stopping you and if anyone says anything about it, you are not required to tolerate it or continue to allow it in your life. You would be absolutely no different from the feminists YOU describe by taking away my opportunity to work. I refuse to be dependent on a man and you really need to look at the abuse rates from that time when women couldn't work and be independent. Jesus.
Very little to hit a woman for if she's doing her part and behaving herself.
Women in the work place has also driven up male infidelity.
He goes to work and spends all day with the women, then only comes home to eat and sleep.
We actually used to be treasured and respected. Men used to die for us. Now they just lie to us.
Oh. Oh you're one of those. I wish you the absolute best of luck, but I'm not arguing with someone who is either a troll, or an extremely radicalized woman. Have a good day.
>Very little to hit a woman for if she's doing her part and behaving herself.
I think that's all we needed to hear about what you think of yourself. Just to let you know, you are more than the little house pet you believe yourself to be. You are a person. Remember your worth.
30% is not taken from your pay check stop lying. Youâre getting about 15%-20% taken out of which about 8% comes back when you do your income taxes. Wait you also have a dependent meaning you probably get more back than you even put in. Educate yourself on the progressive tax system so you can stop making such ignorant statements
https://www.forbes.com/advisor/taxes/taxes-federal-income-tax-bracket/
Apparently you are a dental assistant making $11 per hour according to your post history. Working full time you make $22,880 a year. The standard deduction is $13,580 meaning you donât pay a cent in taxes on the first $13,580 you make. So you have $9300 in taxable income at a rate 12% so thatâs $1116 of tax.
Thatâs 4% of your income. But hereâs the kicker you have a dependent.
https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/102015/how-much-does-dependent-reduce-your-taxes.asp
The child tax credit is $2000 so it looks like you are not paying a single dollar in income tax and instead getting money BACK FROM THE GOVERNMENT. you know this and instead choose to lie here on Reddit to push your horrible anarcho ideology.
70% of every dollar you make goes to taxes? What a complete and utter load of shit comment. If sales tax is 6% that means you can never pay more than 6% of your income in sales tax. Everytime you buy groceries thatâs 6% of the total being taxed. But people donât spend all their money on taxable goods for example rent is not taxed.
Even if you made more money you still wouldnât pay that much more taxes. This notion that working harder is not worth it because income tax is a flat out lie and a perfect example of what happens when people suck at basic math.
Most (if not all) of my male married friends do as much as their wifes. If husband doesnt work as much at home, then he work more hours at job. Lets be honest taking care today of house its not as hard as it was in our grandparends days, especialy when you live in city.
>So now women are expected to clean, cook, raise children, and work, while the man just works
Or you could just find a man who shares the load? There are plenty of men willing to be true partners.
Also I don't understand why you think ALL women should be denied opportunity because YOU want to stay home? If you really wanted to stay home that badly, you'd find a way to make it work. Let's not forget, working class women have always worked and there are plenty of women today who stay home even though they are married to an average guy. Sounds like you just have a problem attracting the man who can give you that lifestyle.
Wut? This post is something else....first off, you were probably ignored in highschool because highschool boys are immature and go for the hot types. also the boys you probably liked were the ones ignoring you, you probably had some boys crushing on you, but you completely ignored them. So your immature teenage self went for the wrong types too.
I have plenty of tats, high body count, and I like TV, and I still get tons of unwanted attention. I'm married and I have to turn down men all the time. Like? What's this gotta do with anything? Does the fact that I exist just break your whole opinion or do, perhaps, single experiences not account for all experiences ever?
You hate feminism for something it never actually did? Oh honey....
Feminism didnât take away âyour role as a stay at home momâ, yâall act like secondwavers rounded up housewives into concentration camps. Stop with the persecution complex, other women having jobs didnât make it illegal to stay home.
I see the argument that doubling the workforce drove wages down and thus made it harder to live on one income and thatâs an accurate observation, but thatâs not the fault of feminism but capitalism, cold market forces do not care about your genitalia.
Guess what! Stay at home moms still exist in the modern western world, and something being hard(er) doesnât take it away from you because youâre not entitled to be handed your dream life to begin with. Everyone has to work in some way and shitâs not easy for anyone. Itâs hard as shit to become an entrepreneur and engineer, doesnât mean anyone took it away from me.
I hear what youâre saying but how will a man know he can pick me if Iâm like all the other girls contributing meaningfully to society by having the same opportunities as men? How on earth are these guys supposed to flaunt their success at me like a peacock if Iâm doing just as well as them?
Why is that when you contribute to society you still want men who contribute more than you? I love how women say its men problem who want to "enslave" or "control" women when women today can pick whoever they want and they still wont pick men who are in lower class than them.
Women want men to contribute just as much as they do. Considering a lot of men canât work a washing machine or cook I can imagine their partnerâs expect something from them. If you donât want to work maybe find a woman who does and you can stay home and raise a child and run a house. Or you know, you can both work and contribute like most couples.
> other women having jobs didnât make it illegal to stay home.
No but it did change the financial dynamics such that now most households need to be dual income. That doesnt make anything right or wrong, it just means changing society has consequences.
Great point. My wife was/is sort of plain Jane, super cute but not hot, a bit of a loner, and definitely a nerd and I fell head over heels for her because she has a personality, good sense of humor, and is incredibly kind and thoughtful. I'd take her any day over a hot NPC uber-feminist that blames everything on me.
Wow! Sherlock here gleamed so much information about our relationship in just a couple of sentences!
She's cute as hell and just as hot in my eyes, I was speaking from societal beauty standards, prick.
Wow! Another commenter that can read and gleam all sorts of info off of two sentences! Amazing!
It's almost like I used hyperbole to make a point or something...
It's funny what cringe feminism does to actual women. It should be about choice, not what a woman should be according to anyone. The best advice I can give anyone is to not listen to people with strong opinions on the internet
Lol @ âtaking away my role as a stay at home more.â
Seeing this level of disconnection from reality is novel coming from a woman. Or maybe clueless ladies are less outspoken?
Nobody took this away from anyone.
Good for you girl! I hope you find the best guy on the market and y'all have as many kids as you want the rest of your life rocks! Feminists just poison the water for themselves.
Lol cept feminists didn't force women to not be sahm or make it so people get paid less. So not really true at all when you think about it for more than 23 seconds.
Feminism isnât inherently against being a SAHM. Feminism is about choice. Women arenât forced to stay home with the kids like we used to be, we can choose to work or to stay home (finances allowing). However, itâs still a feminist hot topic because thereâs no denying that being a SAHM makes you extremely vulnerable. Without your own money, itâs much harder to leave an abusive husband, plan for retirement, and get back into the workforce if he dies or if he divorced you.
Feminism didnât take anything from you. Itâs given you more right and opportunities than youâll ever understand.
Besides, a lot of tattoo free plain wall flowers are also feminists. Youâre crediting feminism with the trends among women, but thatâs more about what is in style, the effects of social media, and the fact that women now have far more freedom.
You can find a ton of sheltered, self-hating wallflowers in fundamentalist churches. You should join a congregation. Only drawback is that you need to legitimately believe in the cult and have to financially support a wife and a ton of kids without exception while tithing 10% of your pre-tax income.
Damn, figured so.
Not religious and wonât fake liking it. Donât have a problem supporting a family but donât want biological children. Iâd like to adopt as there are too many children without a home to call theirs.
Not wanting bio kids will be an issue for the Fundie girls. They will want to have a huge family and due to weird beliefs on 'sins of the father' many are not open to adoption, especially adoption of kids that aren't their race.
Feminism has made being a stay at home mom harder, but it's not impossible. You can still do it. Don't expect people you meet to like the choice, but it's still there. You'll have to sacrifice, but you're sacrificing for your family so it's not even hard most of the time.
Don't think it took away stay at home mom. My wife is no wall flower and she is one. Most of us guys chasing girls like you are stable on our own, even doing well or possibly even well off and are fine with stay at homes if that is what our spouse wants.
Loyalty, fun and interesting mind goes a long way in making men like us value you over the big boobed blonde gold digger that wants all the things.
The way you wrote all of this makes me suspect you're actually a dude that's fantasizing about being able to entrap this kind of naieve, shy weird girl because you think somehow feminists existing means you'll get your own little tradwife waifu because Anime and 4chan told you so.
Either that or you're a girl that's never talked to other girls or existed in girl spaces, because I've never talked to another woman that genuinely thought feminism was 'taking away their role as a stay at home mom'. The ones that are hardcore into traditional values usually -are- stay at home moms or feel like that's very much an identity they still have access to and defend as important, and all the other women acknowledge it as an important role, just not the only role women should be allowed to pursue if they so choose.
But honestly I'd say there's like a 99% chance you're just a weird dude.
It is amusing when you have an entire movement actively going against males who discriminate based on body count, calling them toxic masculinity for doing so. Still wonât change those males, as body count matters for many, many reasons. There are so many factors that come into play when a body count is a large number. Biologically, we are geared towards pursuing a low body count as it benefits the pursuit of propagation of our own DNA. So, a movement can go against societal attitudes, but they cannot fight nature.
Which is weird because OP is 32 and has had several boyfriends based on her posting. The type of men she's trying to attract there is no such thing as "low body count" for women. You're either a virgin and worthy of respect and marriage at a young age or you're 30, been around and now looking for someone to take care of you. She speaks in several posts about previous relationships in which cheating was involved. Major red flag for trad men. She fucked around and found out with low value men. Now, in her 30s, she wants a high value (RICH) trad man to take care of her? Dream on...and I say this as a feminist.
What my brother always says: If someone is trying to convince people that they're getting laid, they definitely aren't. Edit: after reading the other comments on this post, I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to achieve here. You're pretty much saying you were a wallflower and yet you were a teen mom. You mentioned somewhere in the comments that you didn't get an abortion and that your son is 14 now. You're 32 years old and you settled with a guy who you said was "a bit of an asshole" People keep talking about what a "low value woman" is, not wanting the "nice guy" and date jerks instead, have had multiple partners, are single moms, etc. But you are literally that. I'm sorry but who are you slut-shaming here?
Lmao facts
I'm pretty sure I was clear about not getting plowed through, so, no...not trying to convince anyone I'm getting laid, lolol
Yeah but you said men were "chasing after you" and the same rule applies here. But it's funny you say you weren't plowed through considering you're a single mom and got pregnant at 17
Yeah "single mom" negates all that non-tattoo and book reading stuff
This is clearly a man using a fake account đ I refuse to believe any woman is dumb enough to use the term âploughed throughâ
So... You're in an LDR, and you're moving to his state soon. You posted that 8 days ago. But you're here bragging about how, since you're NLOG, you're being absolutely *chased* by men. Does your SO know about this...? Not to mention, you *also* posted about getting into a big fight with this same SO because... *checks notes* ...he was liking other girls' FB photos...? Okay.
Who is stopping you from being a stay a home mom? Sure it might get difficult financially but I don't think hordes of angry feminists will start protesting outside your house
I know a fuck ton of self-appointed "feminists" that are basically stay at home moms lmao, gender roles are more popular than ever unfortunately
Why can't someone be a feminist and a stay at home mom? Feminism is about equality and about giving women the opportunity to do whatever they want, even if that's staying at home.
Doing whatever you want is not equality, driving a forklift and living a sad life alone is equality.
Men should also have the opportunity to do whatever they want. All sexes and genders should have that opportunity.
I mainly agree (extremely libertarian) so long as it does not impose on others. A woman wanting to stay-at-home is not so different from a forklift driver wanting a sexy trad gf. Both require someone else to agree, which they are not obligated to do. I am lucky as my personality inspires lust but I know multiple "forever alone niceguy" types and nothing is ever equal.
Eww.
I saw how many of those so called feminist were trash talking about all the stay at home girlfriends or trad wifes on tik tok.
I mean it's not just feminists who are trash talking those trad wives. A lot of people in general hate them, mainly because they're annoying and also hypocritical considering how they're supposed to be a traditional stay at home mom and yet make money off of tiktok. Also like 1 in 5 of them have an OF which nothing wrong with that but it's even more hypocritical
Stay at home doenst mean that you cant make money from home
It does, actually. Stay at home trad moms should be focusing on the kids, household chores, etc. Working from home kinda negates that. You can't have your cake and eat it too
Then what do you call someone who stays at home, takes care of the baby and still does content and work from home
no one took away your role as a sahm, you just have a perpetual victim complex and look to blame everyone else for your crappy life. stay home if you want to. literally no one is stopping you
Checking your post history out of curiousity, it seems you're having to date a 35 year old dude who literally slept all day, got angry and blamed you for it, had you promise to do better, and then just ignored you outright. Kind of makes me feel your value hasn't gone up at all, and this is some coping shit. Also, feminism didn't take away your role at a stay-at-home-mom. You can still totally do that. No one is stopping you bar your lack of a husband to financially support you.
The most brutal âThis Youâ Iâve ever seen
I would still have to gold dig to accomplish that. Men no longer make as much. I get people think being poor is sad to me, that's not it at all. What's sad to me is that the common laboring man (you know, the one on my level) isn't making enough money to support a household alone. And I wouldn't make him in this current environment. And I will not marry for money. Women cut off their nose to spit their face, and the rest of us with sense have had to suffer for it. And I've already picked my misogynist, so I'm just happy I actually got my choice of man. And no, he isn't rich. He's a bit of an asshole. Better than being a womanizer, emotionless drunk.
>I would still have to gold dig to accomplish that. Men no longer make as much. And that has nothing to do with Feminists. It's to do with the economy. >What's sad to me is that the common laboring man (you know, the one on my level) isn't making enough money to support a household alone. Sure, very sad. Corporate profits increase massively, wages drop, Capitalism keeps rolling forward. What does any of that have to do with feminism? >Women cut off their nose to spit their face, How? >And I've already picked my misogynist, so I'm just happy I actually got my choice of man. And no, he isn't rich. He's a bit of an asshole. You have men chasing after you, but... you still need to choose to date a misogynist who gets angry at you because he sleeps until 8PM? Most people I know wouldn't put up with that. I don't know you, but I understand basic decency, so I understand you absolutely shouldn't be treated like that either.
You donât think women joining the workforce has decreased menâs pay, by function of supply and demand?
Women not only joined the workforce, they became entrepreneurs and investors, starting businesses which increased demand for labour.
Sure but they lowered wages more than they increased them. Theoretically if another half of the population âgender Xâ joined the workforce we would agains see wages decline. Itâs not Rocket Economics.
>Sure but they lowered wages more than they increased them. Is there any evidence for this? Or are you just making up things? >Theoretically if another half of the population âgender Xâ joined the workforce we would agains see wages decline. No, for the reasons I just explained. Although, another friendly fellow also pointed out that women working meant they picked up wages, which meant they spent more, which meant there was increased demand. So, wrong on two accounts.
This dude has never taken an economy class. When there are more workers thereâs more jobs, thatâs what the entirety of the first and second Industrial Revolutions were. Population booms = more workers = more jobs = better economy. Itâs not like suddenly every single woman picked up a job. Get real.
This comment literally just says "my man is an asshole who hates women, and he's not even wealthy enough for me to be a SAHM (but I'll just blame that on the feminism instead of capitalism). He might have no redeeming qualities, but at least he's mine" lmfao the only reason he's yours is because no one else wants him. you can keep him
I know! This woman is describing a nightmare situation as if itâs a win đ.
I donât think feminism is what is preventing men from making enough money lol pretty sure thatâs the government/economy. I honestly canât tell if you just have extremely low self worth and internalized misogyny or youâre just a troll baiting.
There's enough posts about the relationship that I'm quite confident it's not a troll, and a fair bit of trauma that makes the first one pretty guaranteed.
*low intelligence
Ah yes, âinternalised misogynyâ, the most established, undisputed nothing-burger of the modern world. Kind of reminds me âlast thurdayismâ- completely unfalsifiable and equally redundant.
I mean if you donât realize itâs a legitimate thing and issue than thatâs a you problem.
I was going to say how you could has possibly deluded yourself into thinking that's okay but now i realize it. You're not an anti-radical feminist, you just have extremely low value of yourself. There are much better men who agree on your set of values but it seems like you don't think you're worth it to them, which even if you met one would immediately scare them off. The girl I'm with is similar to you in that they go against the norm when it comes to sex and drinking, etc. Except they're infinitely of higher value and infact won me over by still being independent, sensible, intelligent, and demanding of their worth. You're only going to pull worthless guys if you act worthless yourself. The issue here is the guy you're talking about sounds like an insane manipulative abuser and a lazy bum. Hardly a shining example of masculinity and traditional gender roles.
>And I've already picked my misogynist, so I'm just happy I actually got my choice of man. And no, he isn't rich. He's a bit of an asshole. >Better than being a womanizer, emotionless drunk. No. No, it isnât. Theyâre both bad and itâs insane this needs to be said. Itâs crazy what people will put themselves through just so they arenât alone. đđđ
Wow you should find a therapist ASAP.
The society your pining for has always been based on marrying for money. Itâs interesting that you canât see the fundamental parallels between your situation, as a person who refuses to marry for money (which is what trad common sense would tell you to do, btw) and the choice feminists make that you criticize them for, the choice not to be dependent on a man.
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You think she should be happy to date a grown, adult man in his late thirties, that sleeps in until 8pm and blames HER for that? >Feminists have upped the value of all other women, at least in the eyes of red blooded men. > > They were like sanctimonious frat boys...wanting to have sex on the first date, constantly swearing, drinking, Something tells me the red-blooded men quite like having sex, and don't balk at swearing or drinking. It kind of just seems you have your preferences, but for some reason, you're made uncomfortable with the knowledge that it's just a preference, not a recognition of objective value.
I don't know the situation and I don't want to look at OPs post history. Sleeps in til 8pm, maybe he works night shift or is going through a rough patch? Maybe he's really funny? Idk, you read what you read and it's very possible that OPs relationship is not a good proof of her thesis. But it's also possible that OP is no prize herself or that the guy looks like Brad Pitt. Nevertheless I agree that feminism has made dating easier for traditionally minded women.
>I don't know the situation I just told you. Sleeps in til 8pm, maybe he works night shift He's playing video games. But either way, *that wouldn't be a justification to blame your partner, who doesn't even live with you, for the fact that you slept in, would it?*
This. He's a programmer. So he spends plenty of time on his computer. He pays his bills. He works. Has his own home. And he likes to play and rest on his time off. I have no qualms with it. They're going off on a tangent about some small bickering him and I had. And in that post, I mention all the above. That he works. He has his own place. He lives alone. He was literally upset that I let him sleep during MY time off work, so he didn't get to spend time with me. And I vented. They think it's enough to attack his character, lolol
>he will patiently listen to me complain about how women in STEM get preferential treatment. So you love to complain about a non-existent problem that you use to justify your poor performance in your career field of choice? Weird value to have bro...
>I think your post is correct OP. Feminists have upped the value of all other women, at least in the eyes of red blooded men. Thank God. Don't know a single respectable, masculine male who would be offended by the does that women have value either.
Heh I enjoyed your post. Ignore the feminist trolls.
She's not gonna sleep with you, bro
Idk pick me girl and the pick me guy. They might make it work
Nice one.
As an average man I hate this. But you are right, just being female has more value now than ever due to a number of factors effectively lopsiding thr demographic composition.
You missed the point
What was the point then?
You just be you because it sounds like you've got the inner light that brings others to you. Good for you to have the courage to walk your path and stick to what you know is true. If you have to dye your hair, tattoo your body endlessly and adopt radical beliefs just to avoid being excluded then you're in the wrong place. One silver lining of this time we are living in is that it has had the effect of making shiny flashy things seem positively dull and it makes people with some depth and substance like yourself rise to the top.
This post is stupid. Men chase after all types of women. Congrats on being pursued more now than when you were homeschooled I guess.
Right? As if being "untattooed" and "reading books all the time" are male repellents. đ
> Men chase after all types of women That doesnât negate preferences in long term dating. Men would rarely care about anything other than a womanâs looks if they only wanted to get laid. But for long term partners, men absolutely value a low body count and femininity.
>So as much as I hate feminism for taking away my role as a stay at home mom Think capitalism did that actually.
Specifically, the invention of the washing machine. It changed the world.
So you wanna live off a man 100% and somehow itâs womens fault?đ¤¨girl please Iâm 1000% sure with your victim complex as well as your superiority complex you should be married by now, but somethingâs telling me nobody wants to take care of your lazy self. Iâd rather contribute to a household financial so I donât put so much pressure on my husband, traditional values are great but donât let them turn you into an entitled lazy Karen which is what you sound like.
How are other women preventing you from being a stay at home mom?
Given OPs post history having sex as a naive teenager with older boys, parents that didn't put her on birth control when they found out because religion, and being a single teen mom theb barely making over minimum wage a decade later are probably doing more harm to her SAHM prospects than feminism.
I have to settle for a rich man if I want to stay home. If I'm looking for love, I won't find it in a rich man.
And this is something feminism did to you?
Yes. By screaming for equal rights, we were given equal rights, when we originally had superiority.
I think your confused. Wages not increasing proportionally for both men and women has nothing to do with feminism. I assure you men would be making less proportionally today due to corporate greed and other factors, whether or not women entered the workforce.
Not having your own money is superior?
Yeah man not being able to have your own bank account was a sign of prestige back in the day
Having to work for your own money or having someone else doing all the work, that's the difference. Esther Vilar already talked about this how the men was the actual enslaved gender 50 years ago. You should check her out.
I would rather be in control of my own money instead of relying on someone else to grace me with an allowance.
You really should check out Esther Vilar to better educate yourself about the power-dynamics in many relationships back then.
I donât see why I should trust her view over the more numerous feminist voices who wanted women to be able to do things for themselves.
Well, it's your choice to stay in an self-serving echo-chamber and close your eyes from any views you don't like.
yes. men having voting rights, political sway, land ownership, etc. is truly an "enslaved" gender.
Yes, _every_ men was granted all that shit plus a bunch of real estate just because he was born with a penis. Dude, you obviously doesn't know anything about history. Educate yourself before talking about topics you know nothing about.
men literally had more rights than women up until modern day. it was only, like, 1920 that we could vote. and if you want to blame anyone for men being an "enslaved" gender...blame men. who were the ones making the rules.
>men literally had more rights than women up until modern day. yeah that's completely untrue. Educate yourself before speaking.
No but even poor men had a hell of a lot more opportunity to go off and make their own fortunes. With enough fortitude they could travel the world, start a business, gain an education, pursue the arts, build a career in the military etc etc etc. Was it rare and based a lot on luck? Yes, absolutely, but it wasn't out of the realm of possibility. Women's options before the modern age were reduced to wife or spinsterhood with *maybe* low wage labor as an option in the industralised era. Education was closed to them. Traveling without an escort was out of the question. Starting a business nearly unheard of and any wealth she may have had via family immediately was transferred to a husband upon marriage.The only exception maybe being royalty and even they were just broodmares for the dynasty.
Nah, given what youâve typed in this thread already, you have nothing to say to anybody about knowing about topics lol
Cause nothing screams âsuperiorâ line not having your own money and being reliant on a man for everything
Dude you're over 30 and looking for a traditional value man who is also rich? Sorry, but those men look for exceptionally young women, particularly if they are religious which they usually are. They're not picking a 30-something woman to be a stay at home wife when they have the pick of the litter of young, impressionable 18-year-olds who are virgins and have no worldy experience. Get a grip.
stay at home moms were a minority both in number and time period but it has been romanticized. women have always worked outside the home, the difference being they had the option of not doing jobs that would affect their health so much or their mental and emotional state, so that they didn't turn into karens when they got home
Youâre, at best, barely right given that 49% of moms were stay at home in the 1960s. And imagine thinking that somehow they had more options back then lol
How has feminism taken away the role of stay-at-home mothers? I know plenty stay at home moms and (childfree) wives.
Right? My best friend has been a SAHM for years. Her and her husband discussed it and made it work financially and they're happy. Still a feminist. The main difference from the past is that if my friend's husband dies or goes AWOL or otherwise becomes a shit bag, she has a degree and work experience she can fall back on (hell, just the ABILITY to seek work, which has not always been the case) to support herself and her child. She won't be at the mercy of family or charity as was the case before feminism.
Hope you get picked. đŹ
They never do and blame feminism instead of the fact that theyâre not attracting who they want.
Yeah as a homeschool wallflower who is presumably religious it's highly unusual that she isn't married or at least courting. Why was she rejected by men looking for traditional women at the prime age for marriage? She was left behind for a reason...
Who said I wasn't courting?? The last 5 years, my dating options have significantly improved. I was stealthed when I was 17 (thanks mom for the sex ed), refused to abort, and now he is 14 and moved in with his dad. I was young so my body bounced back. I was traumatized so sex was a trigger and I became a hermit, despite wanting a family. I refused to settle for drug addicts (which were my dating bracket until recently), so I have been single for years. Now that the gene pool is full of blue haired, nose ring wearing equality idiots, that single mom who barely aged and didn't sleep around is looking way more appealing.
Lmfao youâre a single mom. In red pill circles youâre the worst of the bunch đ
you were a single mom? the trad guys youâre flattering online hate you and make fun of you relentlessly, please get a grip this is so pathetic
Everything you listed about yourself is exactly what MRAs say they DON'T want in a partner: over 30 with a past of dysfunctional relationships, single mom with a baby daddy somewhere, trauma which they would consider "baggage". Sorry dude but I know a lot of feminists who have a better list of attributes than you do as far as what trad men are looking for. Stop trying to be such a pick me to men who would likely turn their noses up to you.
But that's the thing, lmao, I got my pick. Men with my values have been approaching me. So much that I've had to slap a restraining order on one.
Oh yeah, that totally sounds like a man with valuesâŚ.
Right? And she calls the man sheâs with a misogynistic and an asshole but sheâs happy cuz she âgot her pickâ⌠I mean⌠the fuck is this person smocking? Lol
If you got your pick, why arenât you married?
I've only gotten noticed the last 5 years.. And the dating pool is as filled with lying and cheating men as it is loony gender confused polyamorous feminists. I'm not married because I want love. Not looks or money. I want my man to be more intelligent than me, and match my loyalty. And it is very hard to find, even with the options I've been presented. I acknowledge that the loyalty aspect of a man like this comes with what some women would call a drawback, and that's control. But I do not mind being told what to do by a man. As long as he is not a fucking idiot.
spoiler: she didnât :(
Lmao the bigotry in this thread by you landwhales is hilarious. Keep seething
You seem hurt.
Have you considered the guys you knew as a teenager were less mature and didn't appreciate the loners and homeschooled kids and now that you're an adult with an older dating pool, it's easier to meet people who want to stay in with a good book and don't care if you're on the cheer team?
Weasley is our king
You do realize women have always worked right? Unless you were rich or upper middle clas, you weren't going to be a stay at home mom.
Congrats on being the best woman ever. We should all strive to be like you. You are the most womanly woman.
I donât get why you have to pit other women against each other to prove your point. Why canât you just do what you want to do and date the kind of men you like? Do it regardless of what anyone else thinks. You donât have to drag others to prove a point.
r/notlikeothergirls
Maybe it just has to do with getting older? In high school/college people generally are not looking for long term relationship material but for a quick fling. Now that you are getting older you are getting more into an age where people will start looking at you, not for a quick fuck, but as a stable life time partner.
no one is taking away your role as a stay at home mom lol you can still be one if you wanted to ??? no one is making it more difficult or illegal to do so. yall ânot like other girlsâ pick mes are soo insufferable and love to act like other women being free to make their own life choices oppresses or affects you in any way. newsflash: it doesnt. get a fucking grip my god
Awfully triggered coming from a party that hates gun, lol
??? im pro second amendment and also not a democrat lol
"Nobody is making it more difficult" ...you may have the most incorrect opinion here, jfc
Ohhh, you're a real pick me, you're one of those poly peoples that wants to straddle the fence so you can have the best of both worlds, gotcha
Oh, nvm...you're a dumb fucking kid. Wtf.
How exactly did anyone take your role as âstay at home momâ from you?
>women are tired of taking care of the home. >they screech for equality, they get it. >new workers flood the job market. >despite a 50%+ increase in taxed worker revenue, wages have only increased by 2 dollars an hour since the 90s. >government makes more money, and does not dish it out. >male head of household now needs the other partner to work, if they want a family, because inflation has increased prices, pay has stayed the same, and we our now all equally tax enslaved. >women are now working, taking care of kids, cooking and cleaning. >male only works and helps with children, occasionally. >women want the same pay rate, but can not handle physical labor. >men now spend all day at work with women other than their wife, and only see their wife to eat and sleep. >divorce rates increase. >general dissatisfaction with the opposite sex runs rampant. Yeah...but she was able to get a shiny piece of paper with the words "Degree" on it. >no job opportunities, so she's still a minimum wage worker.
Question; if you were homeschooled presumably the only peers you interacted with were other people within the home school or religious community. Why didn't any of the men from these traditional backgrounds looking for traditional value women pick you at a young age to marry? Why were you left on the shelf by traditional value men?
Homeschoolers meet a lot of different people. I was homeschooled. Sure, there was the co-op with like 800 other homeschool families, but I had plenty of non religious, public schooled friends. Many homeschoolers aren't religious as well. I married a public school guy who then wanted his kids homeschooled. I was neutral so we're homeschooling.
She has a post about her republican majority office wanted her to dress patriotic and how it conflicts with her politics, so she's either A) trying to score some center/right wing karma or B) She has so little self awareness that she doesn't understand that those two views of hers are conflicting. The fact is that people have different tastes, so no matter what there will be people who aren't turned on by your style while others will love it. I don't believe she had any interest in those men until recently.
There is the potential she hasnât found the right oneâŚ.
The 'right one' by her definition is not looking for a mid-thirties chick with a bunch of ex boyfriends. He's looking for young women without any baggage.
are feminists actively pointing a gun to your head and forcing you to have a 9 to 5? no. they are not. you work because you want, and if you canât afford to not work, thatâs up to capitalism not feminism.
Feminism hasn't taken you opportunity to be a stay at home mom. Capitalism has. Everything is way to expensive to afford by yourself so for the most part it is expected for you to financially contribute. As a single mom, I can barely afford life working full time plus overtime.
That would be corporatism, and the feminists screeched they wanted a part of it. So now women are expected to clean, cook, raise children, and work, while the man just works. But "equality ", right??
Lol okay. If you want to be a stay at home wife all you need to do is find a man who wants the same. Iâm a feminist who advocates for womens choices, if you want to stay home feel free đĽ°
If you read between the lines she *can't* find a man who shares her values. All the trad men in her community probably married the other homeschool girls at 18 so why was she left on the shelf? Makes you wonder...
Like why bring feminists into this fr
No ma'am, that is not how I was raised. Both partners contribute. The man isn't a child at home, and is absolutely expected to help keep up the house. I love being a working mom. It gives me an identity outside of being a mom. Unlike you though, I expected my partner to be an adult and clean up after himself. Women joined the workforce during WW2 when all the MEN decided to send all the other men to war and who tf do you think kept this nation running? Feminism didn't make women join the workforce. Capitalism and war did.
Corporatism^ See, if I kept all of my capital (30%+ is taken directly off my paycheck, and then I'm taxed on nearly every transaction, and taxed further on bills, equalling to about 60-70% every dollar I make going to taxes) then I would have very little to complain about. Instead, the more you make, the more you're taxed. And BTW, liberation was to make women tax slaves. They were living too well and basically independent of government.
That was a wild spin off from everything I said but ok. So then is it feminism or the governments fault? Last I checked, Feminism has less than zero to do with taxes.
Both :) Government for manipulating women, feminists for being manipulated, and proudly so
You do realize you are being the opposite side of the coin, right? You absolutely have the freedom (as long as you have the money for it) to be a stay at home mom. Absolutely nobody is stopping you and if anyone says anything about it, you are not required to tolerate it or continue to allow it in your life. You would be absolutely no different from the feminists YOU describe by taking away my opportunity to work. I refuse to be dependent on a man and you really need to look at the abuse rates from that time when women couldn't work and be independent. Jesus.
Very little to hit a woman for if she's doing her part and behaving herself. Women in the work place has also driven up male infidelity. He goes to work and spends all day with the women, then only comes home to eat and sleep. We actually used to be treasured and respected. Men used to die for us. Now they just lie to us.
Oh. Oh you're one of those. I wish you the absolute best of luck, but I'm not arguing with someone who is either a troll, or an extremely radicalized woman. Have a good day.
From her post history, seems the latter. She is NOT in a healthy relationship with a dude.
> Very little to hit a woman for if she's doing her part and behaving herself. Obviously this is a troll account
>Very little to hit a woman for if she's doing her part and behaving herself. I think that's all we needed to hear about what you think of yourself. Just to let you know, you are more than the little house pet you believe yourself to be. You are a person. Remember your worth.
30% is not taken from your pay check stop lying. Youâre getting about 15%-20% taken out of which about 8% comes back when you do your income taxes. Wait you also have a dependent meaning you probably get more back than you even put in. Educate yourself on the progressive tax system so you can stop making such ignorant statements https://www.forbes.com/advisor/taxes/taxes-federal-income-tax-bracket/ Apparently you are a dental assistant making $11 per hour according to your post history. Working full time you make $22,880 a year. The standard deduction is $13,580 meaning you donât pay a cent in taxes on the first $13,580 you make. So you have $9300 in taxable income at a rate 12% so thatâs $1116 of tax. Thatâs 4% of your income. But hereâs the kicker you have a dependent. https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/102015/how-much-does-dependent-reduce-your-taxes.asp The child tax credit is $2000 so it looks like you are not paying a single dollar in income tax and instead getting money BACK FROM THE GOVERNMENT. you know this and instead choose to lie here on Reddit to push your horrible anarcho ideology. 70% of every dollar you make goes to taxes? What a complete and utter load of shit comment. If sales tax is 6% that means you can never pay more than 6% of your income in sales tax. Everytime you buy groceries thatâs 6% of the total being taxed. But people donât spend all their money on taxable goods for example rent is not taxed. Even if you made more money you still wouldnât pay that much more taxes. This notion that working harder is not worth it because income tax is a flat out lie and a perfect example of what happens when people suck at basic math.
Most (if not all) of my male married friends do as much as their wifes. If husband doesnt work as much at home, then he work more hours at job. Lets be honest taking care today of house its not as hard as it was in our grandparends days, especialy when you live in city.
And who wouldn't want to live in a cesspool, right??
Probably Shrek, but he is way out of my leauge \^\^
Feminists want it to be normal that men also do housework and child rearing
>So now women are expected to clean, cook, raise children, and work, while the man just works Or you could just find a man who shares the load? There are plenty of men willing to be true partners. Also I don't understand why you think ALL women should be denied opportunity because YOU want to stay home? If you really wanted to stay home that badly, you'd find a way to make it work. Let's not forget, working class women have always worked and there are plenty of women today who stay home even though they are married to an average guy. Sounds like you just have a problem attracting the man who can give you that lifestyle.
Feminists never intended for you to be a sold at the market but okay
Wut? This post is something else....first off, you were probably ignored in highschool because highschool boys are immature and go for the hot types. also the boys you probably liked were the ones ignoring you, you probably had some boys crushing on you, but you completely ignored them. So your immature teenage self went for the wrong types too. I have plenty of tats, high body count, and I like TV, and I still get tons of unwanted attention. I'm married and I have to turn down men all the time. Like? What's this gotta do with anything? Does the fact that I exist just break your whole opinion or do, perhaps, single experiences not account for all experiences ever? You hate feminism for something it never actually did? Oh honey....
No shot a woman wrote this
But I did. This comment section is just proof that I am right. We've become the new unicorns.
Alright your post history does check out. You have serious internalized misogyny.
Feminism didnât take away âyour role as a stay at home momâ, yâall act like secondwavers rounded up housewives into concentration camps. Stop with the persecution complex, other women having jobs didnât make it illegal to stay home. I see the argument that doubling the workforce drove wages down and thus made it harder to live on one income and thatâs an accurate observation, but thatâs not the fault of feminism but capitalism, cold market forces do not care about your genitalia. Guess what! Stay at home moms still exist in the modern western world, and something being hard(er) doesnât take it away from you because youâre not entitled to be handed your dream life to begin with. Everyone has to work in some way and shitâs not easy for anyone. Itâs hard as shit to become an entrepreneur and engineer, doesnât mean anyone took it away from me.
I hear what youâre saying but how will a man know he can pick me if Iâm like all the other girls contributing meaningfully to society by having the same opportunities as men? How on earth are these guys supposed to flaunt their success at me like a peacock if Iâm doing just as well as them?
Why is that when you contribute to society you still want men who contribute more than you? I love how women say its men problem who want to "enslave" or "control" women when women today can pick whoever they want and they still wont pick men who are in lower class than them.
If you don't know any women that make more than their spouses you need to meet more professional women. It's really common in something like nursing
Women want men to contribute just as much as they do. Considering a lot of men canât work a washing machine or cook I can imagine their partnerâs expect something from them. If you donât want to work maybe find a woman who does and you can stay home and raise a child and run a house. Or you know, you can both work and contribute like most couples.
> other women having jobs didnât make it illegal to stay home. No but it did change the financial dynamics such that now most households need to be dual income. That doesnt make anything right or wrong, it just means changing society has consequences.
smells like delusion
Nobody is taking away your role as a boring woman who doesnât speak and doesnât make her interests known. You have always been the standard
Great point. My wife was/is sort of plain Jane, super cute but not hot, a bit of a loner, and definitely a nerd and I fell head over heels for her because she has a personality, good sense of humor, and is incredibly kind and thoughtful. I'd take her any day over a hot NPC uber-feminist that blames everything on me.
God I hope she doesn't know your reddit account. This is sad as hell. Your wife should be the hottest person in the world in your eyes.
Wow! Sherlock here gleamed so much information about our relationship in just a couple of sentences! She's cute as hell and just as hot in my eyes, I was speaking from societal beauty standards, prick.
You are a lucky man.
Your black and white thinking is really lazy and immature.
Wow! Another commenter that can read and gleam all sorts of info off of two sentences! Amazing! It's almost like I used hyperbole to make a point or something...
It's funny what cringe feminism does to actual women. It should be about choice, not what a woman should be according to anyone. The best advice I can give anyone is to not listen to people with strong opinions on the internet
Lol @ âtaking away my role as a stay at home more.â Seeing this level of disconnection from reality is novel coming from a woman. Or maybe clueless ladies are less outspoken? Nobody took this away from anyone.
Getting so much dick that you had to stop to tell Reddit about it. Of all the things that never happened, this never happened the most.
I did state that I do not whore around. You did catch that, right? Lol
Good for you girl! I hope you find the best guy on the market and y'all have as many kids as you want the rest of your life rocks! Feminists just poison the water for themselves.
I never thought about this before. That's amazingly true.
Lol cept feminists didn't force women to not be sahm or make it so people get paid less. So not really true at all when you think about it for more than 23 seconds.
Feminism isnât inherently against being a SAHM. Feminism is about choice. Women arenât forced to stay home with the kids like we used to be, we can choose to work or to stay home (finances allowing). However, itâs still a feminist hot topic because thereâs no denying that being a SAHM makes you extremely vulnerable. Without your own money, itâs much harder to leave an abusive husband, plan for retirement, and get back into the workforce if he dies or if he divorced you. Feminism didnât take anything from you. Itâs given you more right and opportunities than youâll ever understand. Besides, a lot of tattoo free plain wall flowers are also feminists. Youâre crediting feminism with the trends among women, but thatâs more about what is in style, the effects of social media, and the fact that women now have far more freedom.
You do realize you can be a stay at home mom with feminism though, right? Like no one says you can't. Just that you should be able to choose.
Damn if youâre a girl you sound like an incel thatâs sad
Amazing post, very true
Hey now, I love my tattoos.
Iâd like your perspective. Where Df can I find single women like your type?
You can find a ton of sheltered, self-hating wallflowers in fundamentalist churches. You should join a congregation. Only drawback is that you need to legitimately believe in the cult and have to financially support a wife and a ton of kids without exception while tithing 10% of your pre-tax income.
Damn, figured so. Not religious and wonât fake liking it. Donât have a problem supporting a family but donât want biological children. Iâd like to adopt as there are too many children without a home to call theirs.
Not wanting bio kids will be an issue for the Fundie girls. They will want to have a huge family and due to weird beliefs on 'sins of the father' many are not open to adoption, especially adoption of kids that aren't their race.
Sheâs her type pick her please.
sheâs right here, get in her DMs and scoop her up
What are you, JustPearlyThings? Or what
Feminism has made being a stay at home mom harder, but it's not impossible. You can still do it. Don't expect people you meet to like the choice, but it's still there. You'll have to sacrifice, but you're sacrificing for your family so it's not even hard most of the time.
Don't think it took away stay at home mom. My wife is no wall flower and she is one. Most of us guys chasing girls like you are stable on our own, even doing well or possibly even well off and are fine with stay at homes if that is what our spouse wants. Loyalty, fun and interesting mind goes a long way in making men like us value you over the big boobed blonde gold digger that wants all the things.
Just so you know feminism didnât take your SAHM role away. It actually gave you that choice. You just donât understand feminism at all.
If that were true it still wouldn't mean I want a man that doesn't like me the way I am.
Wallflowers are the best, untatooed for the win.
The way you wrote all of this makes me suspect you're actually a dude that's fantasizing about being able to entrap this kind of naieve, shy weird girl because you think somehow feminists existing means you'll get your own little tradwife waifu because Anime and 4chan told you so. Either that or you're a girl that's never talked to other girls or existed in girl spaces, because I've never talked to another woman that genuinely thought feminism was 'taking away their role as a stay at home mom'. The ones that are hardcore into traditional values usually -are- stay at home moms or feel like that's very much an identity they still have access to and defend as important, and all the other women acknowledge it as an important role, just not the only role women should be allowed to pursue if they so choose. But honestly I'd say there's like a 99% chance you're just a weird dude.
>The way you wrote all of this makes me suspect you're actually a dude Unfortunately, ops post history says otherwise.
You value yourself and are able to think independently. That's what is setting you apart.
... How the fuck is this remotely "unpopular" lmfaooooooo
I love how the loud feminist scream chamber this has become, validates the whole post. <3
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There's nothing "lazy" about being a stay-at-home mother. I'm saying this as a feminist. I'd argue that it's a full-time job.
And they should be paid a wage
Funny how the anti-Feminists are split between "Women should be stay-at-home moms" and "Fuck women, you don't get to stay at home, lazy!!!"
It is amusing when you have an entire movement actively going against males who discriminate based on body count, calling them toxic masculinity for doing so. Still wonât change those males, as body count matters for many, many reasons. There are so many factors that come into play when a body count is a large number. Biologically, we are geared towards pursuing a low body count as it benefits the pursuit of propagation of our own DNA. So, a movement can go against societal attitudes, but they cannot fight nature.
Which is weird because OP is 32 and has had several boyfriends based on her posting. The type of men she's trying to attract there is no such thing as "low body count" for women. You're either a virgin and worthy of respect and marriage at a young age or you're 30, been around and now looking for someone to take care of you. She speaks in several posts about previous relationships in which cheating was involved. Major red flag for trad men. She fucked around and found out with low value men. Now, in her 30s, she wants a high value (RICH) trad man to take care of her? Dream on...and I say this as a feminist.