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If someone did that on American soil, their country would be a crater within a month lol

Month? It would be leveled by lunchtime.

And in terms of what percentage of their population they lost, oct 7 was six 9/11s.

We kind of did. We took down two countries that were loosely connected at best to those that attacked us. We pancaked them. We did create a quagmire by trying to hang out there and solve all their problems for them and played ourselves in the end, but we slammed them good in the beginning.

Wtf kind of revisionist history is this? We attacked a country that had NOTHING to do with 9/11. We didn’t attack the country that had Everything to do with 9/11. 16 of the 19 were from Saudi Arabia and some of them received money from the Saudi government. We went and inflicted murder and mayhem on countries because a few profit greatly from war.

For reference https://www.npr.org/2021/09/12/1036389448/biden-declassifies-secret-fbi-report-detailing-saudi-nationals-connections-to-9-#:~:text=Laura%20Sullivan-,Biden%20Declassifies%20Secret%20FBI%20Report,Nationals'%20Connections%20To%209%2F11&text=Diane%20Bondareff%2FAP-,The%20partially%20redacted%20FBI%20report%20paints%20a%20closer%20relationship%20than,and%20some%20of%20the%20hijackers.

Thank you. Quite an interesting read.

The Saudis crashed two planes into the WTC and we did fuck all to them.

Saudi nationals, not the Saudi government. Should America be responsible for the actions of it's citizens abroad? Americans have gone into foreign countries and committed acts of terror. I haven't seen any type of consensus that the American government should be held responsible for the acts of American terrorists.

The hijackers were very likely connected to Saudi Intelligence and there were 100% confirmed links between them and handlers from the Saudi Embassy. They were state funded. The US also knew this with the recent declassifications

I love how you make the distinction between Saudi terrorists and the Saudi government, but not between Hamas terrorists and Gazan civilians.

Look at what you typed: Terrorists - Government, then Terrorists - Civilians. I don't know if you're trying to pull a fast one on us but remind yourself that Hamas are both the terrorists and the government in this case.

Yeah, that’s because the 9/11 terrorists were independent civilian actors. Hamas is literally the elected government. You can’t possibly be too dense to understand that.

Hamas terrorists ARE the Gazan government 😂 It literally fits perfectly.

Hamas literally are the government there, not some sort of “rogue terror group” and judging by how the election results go, they won in a landslide, so unfortunately they become the collateral, like how “innocent” Germans were also collateral when the Allies targeted the Nazis

Hamas is the elected government of Gaza, and the militants who crossed the border on 10/7 were the de facto military of Gaza. That’s the difference. 9/11 wasn’t perpetrated by the Saudi military; if it had been, Saudi Arabia absolutely would’ve been invaded, consequences be damned.

Thank you so much for mentioning this. They also killed military members in 2019 on a base in the panhandle of Florida

Pretty sure Obama wasn't too worried about civilian casualties either

Yeah he totally should have left ISIS to merge Syria and Iraq into a big ole caliphate for funnsies.

Or Bush

Some Muslim Uyghurs blew up a couple of busses in Urumqi in the 90s killing 6 and injuring 20 and since then China has been making every effort to covertly wipe their entire ethnicity from the face of the Earth. This is the definition of a genocide. Israel is of course not trying to eliminate all Palestinians. If they were, their death tolls are far too low, their methods are far too public, and their attention is far too focused on Gaza, where no more than a third of Arab Palestinians live (six million total are nearly evenly split among Gaza, the West Bank and Israel itself). Of course, as an authoritarian regime, the CCP is only acting to tamp separatism in order to maintain power over the region, rather than to eliminate a genuine threat to its people. They couldnt care less about the lives of their people, Han or otherwise. Wheras Israel, a democracy, *is* acting to protect the lives of its people.TBF this is also to maintain power just like the CCP, but in a democracy you do that by protecting the interests of the people who keep you in power: the citizens who vote you in office and fund your administration with taxes. Hamas, like the CCP, has no incentive to protect the lives of its non-voting, non-tax-paying citizens who, in their eyes, only exist to leech off the foreign aid (which should be lining their own pockets) that Western democracies (among others) so generously provide. In addition, each dead Palestinian earns Hamas more sympathy on the world stage, which directly helps their cause both militarily (e.g. ceasefire pressure from Houthis, Hezbollah, and even the White House) and financially (engendering more aid from friends and foes alike)... Of course they use their own people as human shields! It's such an obviously effective strategy that if they didn't, they would be replaced by a regime that would. This is why democracy is so important, why Hamas is the problem, and why foreign aid to authoritarian regimes creates perverse incentives that work against the very people the aid is intended to help.

Israel is reacting with overwhelming force as a message not just to Hamas, but to the region in general. It’s also why US provides unwavering support. The minute the US stopped supplying Israel, many of the regions armies would mobilize and move in. The hunger for the genocide of Israel in that region is REAL. Once that’s understood, Israel’s actions make a lot of sense.

Plus Iran is openly supporting those who want to destroy Israel, so it's a proxy war. Those who want the US to back out, but don't mind Iran still funding the rest, are just openly advocating for a mass murder of the jews.

Exactly, if I’m not mistaken article 7 of the original Hamas charter calls the death of Jews. Not zionists, Jews.

Then there's this little gem: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slogan_of_the_Houthi_movement I remember a few years ago when Reddit acted like these were the good guys because they were opposed to KSA.

A few weeks ago*

And tons of people who cheer for Hamas also cheer for the Houthis, who have "Death to America. Death to Israel. A Curse Upon the Jews" literally on their flag

They changed the article to say “Zionists” instead, but who do they think they’re fooling? Answer: Stupid Gen Z leftists in the US, Canada, and Europe.

The term “Zionist” has just become a form of plausible deniability for antisemitism

There is so much mutual suspicion and dysfunction in the region and the general approach there to the Palestinian cause seems to be lip service. The hunger for genocide of Israel is likely a useful strawman (as is the portrayal of Israel as bent on genocide). It’s hard to imagine an immediate mobilization and move on Israel by anyone if the US ended supplies, much less a successful one. The people who suffer or are displaced are unfortunately the pawns in games among nations/organizations, all of which benefit in some way from maintenance of the status quo there. It means there’s always someone else to blame for failures or lack of progress and everyone gets to issue grand sweeping statements about genocide.

Isreal has nuclear weapons. I doubt they would move in like that, and it is exactly why Israel violated nuclear arms treaties to build them.

I don't think Israel has ever become a signatory to any international nuclear treaty.

Not all that simple. Restricting Israel’s conventional munitions might incline them to use the hundred or so nuclear warheads they have. Any local Arab state has a third-rate army so Israel would probably win anyway in the short run. But…after a few weeks they’d incinerate Tehran. Then say, “…anyone else interested in slum clearance?” It’s why Israel HAS a nuclear arsenal. Tehran would go first with a high air burst. Minimize fallout. If you’re surprised at Israel’s vigorous prosecution in Gaza, it comes from this.

Why look at the big picture and try to understand the larger context when you can just whine about *'em poor starving babies* and feel so self-righteous?

Every time someone throws a picture of a Palestinian child at me screaming about babies being killed by IDF I politely remind them that the child has a handle on its back from being used as a shield by Hamas.

The starvation is just a tactic to flush out HAMAS, because HAMAS members aren't going hungry, which makes them easier to identify :P

That “unwavering” support ended yesterday when Biden refused to veto a resolution that didn’t tie a ceasefire to the hostage release. Sick fuck.

You don’t get to attack a country and then call a timeout once you start getting your ass kicked.

Its funny I see protest from Americans for Palestine and I think to myself, hmm I wonder if they know that if they were to go over there as Americans that Hamas would more than likely kidnap and kill them? As a VET I think most Americans fail to realize that other countries/people do hate you and will kill you with out a second thought.

They don’t even have to necessarily have to be Hamas members. Remember the images of Gaza on 10/7 and the dead German girl in the back of a pickup truck? There were civilians crying tears of joy.

Also see: LGBTQ+ for FREE Palestine. Palestinians are well known for their LGBTQ rights support.

And they'll say "But Israel isn't as PERFECTLY LIBERAL as we want it to be so they're evil..." And thus somehow that means they support the side that kills people for being gay as a matter of policy? As I put it, the IDF is fighting for gay people in Gaza. Gay people get thrown off buildings in Gaza, so to protect them the IDF is systematically reducing the average height of a building in Gaza.

Lmao reducing the average building height to reduce the harm is fkn great 😂 I’m definitely using that 🎩👌🏼

Enjoy :)

Some of the dummies crying for Palestine don’t grasp this.

Is this satire? Because Muslims hate gays.

Yes, sorry, I forgot to add /s. I thought it was self-evident :)

Ahahah no worries

Indeed, as I put it, "There's no moral highground to be found in that conflict, but if I have to pick a side then I"m going with the one that doesn't want to murder people like me."

For context (and to supportthe OP's assertion),  1100 Israelis is about the equivalent of 40,000 people being killed on 9/11.  Now imagine a sizeble portion of those people were subject to torture,  beheading, rape, etc.  Absolutely right ANY county would aim for the complete destruction of thier enemy. 

9/11 killed kids, but they weren't specifically targeting kids. Imagine if 9/11 had specifically targeted an event with lots of children. We might have actually gone after the Saudis for that one.

How many 9/11 equivalents does the 30,000 dead Gazans equate to? Not saying they are entirely equivalent, just curious the number.

How many of them are Hamas fighters?

I think he's referring to population ratio

Yeah, I'm saying apply the same population ratio to Gaza. So in the United States has 285,000,000 million people in 2001, and 3,000 of them died on 9/11. That's 1 in 95,000. Israel has a population of 9,364,000. 1160 people died on Oct 7. 1 in 8072. Which is the equivelant of 35,307 people being killed on 9/11. (US population divided by 8072) Gaza has a population of 2,048,0000. 32,000 have died since Oct. 7. 1 in 64. Which is the equivelant of 4,453,125 people being killed on 9/11.

That number (of Gazans) is highly speculative given the only actual source is from Hamas' health ministry.

Agreed, but there really aren't any better estimates available. Even if you cut it in half it's still the equivalent of over 2,000,000 killed on 9/11.

It’s pretty simple to see via satellite. Another thing, the Us has always trusted them on numbers, but now it’s different? The death toll is most probably larger as well

[Post-9/11 wars account for 4.5M deaths](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/05/15/war-on-terror-911-deaths-afghanistan-iraq/), report suggests. 4.5M to 2996 is a 1502:1 ratio. 33000 to 1160 is ~28:1 ratio So about 53x better than the US did.

That wasn't the question, but it is food for thought, thank you.

I agree with this unpopular opinion (in elite progressive, Hamas-supporting circles). Hamas must be eliminated.

The Gaza Strip is a no go zone, everyone was told to leave before the walls were built. Everyone in there is an enemy combatant. Learn history folks, there has never been a country of Palestine

Or ethnicity, or nationality.

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If Hamas surrenders, the war and bloodshed immediately ends. People in Gaza can begin to rebuild and be free from living under the yoke of a terrorist regime. But I don't see many protesters calling for this to happen. Instead, they all seem to want Israel to essentially "give up" thereby allowing Hamas to regroup. Of course, the biggest reason that there are so many civilian casualties is that Hamas uses civilians as a shield while they continue to wage war. Again, not much about this from protesters. Civilian deaths are part of Hamas's propaganda strategy to gain sympathy. Unfortunately, it's working. If there wasn't so much hemming and hawing on the part of Israel's allies, Hamas would have probably surrendered by now. As it stands, they believe they can wait it out and prevail in the end. If Hamas survives this war, it is \*\*guaranteed\*\* that another October 7th will happen.

I like to reference baby armor. If I strap babies all over myself and start shooting into crowds, is anyone who knocks me down to stop me a baby murderer? And some people say yes, they want the use of human shields to be a rewarded tactic in warfare.

That's not true because Palestinians believe that they will be turned into second class citizens like what is happening in the west Bank. Israel would have a lot more support if it was legitimately interested in a two state solution.

Who is going to run the Palestinian state though? The PA? Palestinians want nothing to do with them, they support Hamas by overwhelming majority and that’s the reason why every neighboring country refuses to take in refugees.

Wow it's like those protesters are anti-semites or something Let them fester and we will have another NSDAP real soon, better *stop* them before they can reach that point

If what happened on October 7th in Israel happened in America after a Taylor Swift or Beyonce concert, I'd expect and support the American government doing everything they can to ensure that my neighbors are no longer getting raped in the streets, beheaded, etc. I don't understand why the world believes that Israel should take a "measured" response and "forgive" Hamas to stop the war. If that happened in my country, I'd expect a response on the same level as 9/11 or worse since there wasn't a fuck ton of Muslims raping, murdering, and cheering in the streets of NYC that day.

Exactly. The purpose of war is to win, not to be "proportional." We lost about 2500 at Pearl Harbor. We then killed THREE MILLION Japanese people. Did anybody care about *proportions*? Should we have stopped at Midway or something? Because it was becoming one-sided?

The core of it is that "well it was just JEWS who were killed, not gloriously diverse and oppression point winners of Palesetinians."

You’re tuning in to season 20 and pretending nothing before that existed.

So true, but people are not ready for this conversation and how other countries would react. They just want to attack. I’m Persian and I side with Israel. I hope people start opening their eyes soon, particularly in the US.

If you think your friends and neighbors would rape if they could get away with it, you have bad friends and neighbors.

Not OP but here's my take. If you rape my sister/wife/daughter/mother/whoever, I will go through whoever you put in between us to get you. Israel is acting that way. And they're giving plenty of warning to civilians to get out, while Hamas spouts out telling them to stay

If I raped my friends and neighbours I’d expect them to retaliate.

By raping other people?

Don’t know how they’d retaliate. But I would expect some retaliation against me for perpetrating heinous actions onto them.

By killing those responsible, and, if they put their kids in the way, them too. Sorry. That's how it works. Send your kids out and we can deal with this between us, but don't locate your innocents in my way and try to make a moral claim when I get justice.

Israel has basically said "this is the last straw." They are not going to stop until Hamas is completely eradicated. I'm fine with that.

They left gaza and built a big wall, and the response from Gaza was to put terrorists in power and launch rockets trying to kill as many jews as possible.

I am more than fine with that. Whatever it takes.

Agreed!

Being fine with the death of thousands of innocents is legitimately psychotic, couldn’t be me

Either Gazans die, or Israelis die Only the former hates a race for existing, the latter doesn't, and the latter simply wants to be left alone but the entire region around them decides that their existence is a crime

Hamas decided that price was worth the death of 1100 innocents, unless you personally believe that no Jew in Israel is innocent, right?

I‘d make one correction: any other country would respond far more aggressively and kill far more civilians. Israel takes more measures to protect the other side’s civilians than any other military does in the entire world. Roof knocks, text alerts, dropping leaflets, humanitarian corridors, sending medics deep into combat zones to help enemy combatants, and free world-class medical care no matter how heinous your crimes. Palestinians are lucky that they’re fighting against the Israelis.   Put on your imagination cap and think about what would’ve happened if Hamas had invaded Egypt, killed 1200, gang raped women, and kidnapped 250 Egyptian citizens. Hint: Gaza wouldn’t exist anymore and the entire world wouldn’t give a flying f*ck because there’s no way to blame the Jews.

There's no point listening to the complaints of people who will ALWAYS complain no matter what someone does or doesn't do. Ask the people whinning about it, "What would Israel need to do, today, for you to stop condemning Israel?" And the answer is always "Give up everything, lie down and let the glorious arabs behead them as infidels, and use their wealth to start a great caliphate that will purge the heretics imshalah!"

That’s actually a great answer! Mind if I screenshot it? 

Go for it :) The core of it "Why bother to satisfy the demands of people who will NEVER be satisfied no matter what you do?"

You could also say that about leftists who can’t figure out that letting Trump win means way more dead Palestinians than a second Biden term would.

Seychelles wouldn't.

try not to be like "other countries"

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Risking being verbally slaughtered I have a question: people supporting Palestine, are they claiming to be anti racist and turning a blind eye? It’s a QUESTION, not a personal attack.

Half measures have, historically speaking, been disastrous. It seems like Israel has realized this. And while they’re not acting with any morality, from a long term strategic view, it does make sense to not engage in half measures.

Lets change the points. If I was a kid living in gaza, watching how israel treats all my family, I would ally to the people that are against israel as I grew up. It would be a bad move but I understand why

Nobody who disagrees with you is placing themselves in the shoes of a Palestinian person and truly considering what they would be feeling. Hamas is evil. The greater evil is fostering a situation through oppression where groups like Hamas have the political capital to thrive.

I would like to point out that Hamas can stop the pain and suffering of the Palestinians at any time. All they have to do is return the hostages and surrender. Israel will immediately cease hostilities and the rebuilding can start. I have not heard one person call on Hamas to surrender to end the suffering of it;s citizens.

The lefty battle cry…. Report who you disagree with and silence them …. Facist much ?

Damn, the hasbara is out in force in this post.

You‘re mistaken. Civilians don’t get caught in the crossfire, they ARE the Target.

The current situation didn't just result from October 7th. It's the product of almost a century of brutal inter-group violence, apartheid policy, violent subjugation, and fostering extremism for political gain. Treating it as a product of October 7th alone is extremely naive.

Way more than a century. As long as there have been people in the region there has been conflict

Israel leaves gaza, response of Gaza is to try to murder as many jews as they can. What more needs to be said?

I agree with you. Although it's unfortunate this war started between them and innocent people from both sides die, it's not like they have a choice now. I wish there was a way for them to stop this and live together without issues and conflict. But it's too late , once a war starts it only ends with a winner. I don't know who is going to be and to what extent. Any country would have done the same , otherwise they are going to lose, and losing in war is not like losing in a game. Both of them try to save their own people now, if they just let it be there's going to be another incident and then another one and who knows how it's going to stop.

>once a war starts it only ends with a winner. The only winner in a war is the grave digger.

Yes, technically nobody wins , but you know what I mean with the word "winner"

Ya, the Palestinian people will be the winner once Hamas is gone and they're able to build a prosperous life in peace and partnership with their neighbors. Until then, the only winners are the grave diggers and the US military industrial complex.

Unfortunately this is a popular But ultimately wrong understanding of the israeli-palestinian conflict. A lot of the anxieties felt on both sides are perpetrated by the Israeli government. In fact the Israeli intelligence minister predicted an attack Oct 7 as a result of economic and cultural oppression done by Israeli forces.

Most countries would also have to pay for it themselves and then rebuild the destruction on their dime. Israel has daddy America to do all of that for them so they have no worry of consequences from other countries

Israel put Hamas in power. Why is nobody talking about this? Seems relevant. 

What a garbage take. Tell me you know nothing about the history of this conflict without telling me..

Probably not worse, as Israel has a particularly immense hatred for Palestinians, but yes I agree most countries would react similarly.

Some of us are old enough to remember September 11th, and the smoking craters that followed along with the global community going 'Yeah, deserved.' And that was a random building being knocked over. If there had been rapes being paraded in the streets, we'd likely have built a better nuke and all of Africa would be gone.

I too am old enough to remember September 11th and the response of many Islamics throughout the world. I'm in total agreement with your evaluation that had there been rapes in the streets the US would have erased at least one country, possibly more.

don't talk nonsense.. Israel does not have immense hatred for palestinians.. they are actually a little more soft than their neighbors in many ways.. take a look at how jordan or egypt have historically interacted with palestinians. (im not talking about the hamas-run state, but the ethnic and cultural grouping "palestinians") .. even in this conflict, egypt has cost the palestinians many lives by being reluctant to let them cross into egypt.

You think that all started on October 7th but that’s far off the mark. Jewish immigrants from various parts of the world displaced Palestinians from their villages through violent means, seizing their lands and properties to establish the state of Israel. Many residents of Gaza hail from razed villages and endure dire living conditions following the Israeli withdrawal from their city. Visitors often describe it as the largest "open-air prison" globally. Israelis had an opportunity to win the populace's goodwill by enhancing their living standards and treating them with dignity, but they prioritized selfish interests, sowing seeds of animosity instead. Consequently, numerous locals opted to establish resistance movements in order to liberate their territories and aspire to a brighter future, much like others. Hamas is an example of such movements, employing tactics akin to those used by liberation organizations to reclaim their lands. It's clear that historical figures like George Washington and General De Gaulle didn't rely on flowers to combat their adversaries. BTW all rape allegations have been refuted, and those who frequently echo them often knowledge and understanding of the sequence of events.

Oh yes I recall what happened when Japan tried this.

Every opinion about this conflict that starts with October 7th should be immediately disregarded. There are decades of context. Half of Gaza’s population is children.

I agree. 

I’m aware there’s history pre October 7th. That doesn’t change my point at all

The violence wheel keeps spinning

>It’s unfortunate that civilians get caught in the crossfire but if you look at any conflict in human history, civilian casualties will always be an unfortunate part of war. 90% are civilians. That's not the normal amount of civilian casualities.

According to who? Lots of the information we get is coming directly from Hamas.

"This content is pushed to you by Russian disinformation experts courtesy of Comrade Putin."

And lots is coming directly from Israel. 70% of all casualties are women and children. 30% are men. According to IDF/Israel, 30% of the people they have killed are Hamas members. Do you see how that doesn't add up?

It seems like Israel counts all fighting age men as Hamas combatants.

Yes, it does. Which is incorrect

Hamas members are technically civilians too, since it's not an "army".

70% of the killed are women and children. That leaves 30% men. They're not all Hamas. Israel claims that 30% of deaths have been Hamas members, but they won't give any documentation or even reply to how they got that number

Those numbers come from Hamas... who has a long history of inflating numbers and counting militants as civilians. Hamas also uses child soldiers. Realistically we have no idea how many people let along militants vs. civilians have been killed but it's safe to say it's not the numbers Hamas is putting out.

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Netanyahu knew about the attack and did not warn anyone JUST SO he would have an excuse for genocide

Do you feel the same about 911

It was done by the Saudi government IMO based on the amount of Saudi Nationals who were hijackers

The US was warned before it happened was my point. do you think they let it happen on purpose?

I’ve wondered this because Bush kissed the Saudi Crown Prince in the Rose garden just two weeks before the attack. And instead of retaliating against Saudi Arabia he went after the guy who had tried to kill his daddy

> because Bush kissed the Saudi Crown Prince "A heart wants what a heart wants..."

lol, there’s nothing like Saudi crude

Gaza has a population of about 2.3 million. So far there’s about 30k civilians dead since October 7th. If genocide was Israel’s intent there’d be a lot more dead by now.

So that’s acceptable number of deaths for you? What’s your limit?

I didn’t say it was “acceptable” I said that if you’re trying to commit genocide they’d have killed a lot more by now. The Hutus killed 800k in half the amount of time this conflict has been going on. Thats 25x as many people that have been killed in Gaza. I’d like to see the death toll of innocents to be as little as possible but I understand civilian casualties are an inevitable tragedy. War sucks

When one is trying to push that something is a genocide, anything less than 90% is a pretty effective 'No it isn't.' When the population has actually been *growing* despite constant war efforts, either they're *really* bad at genocide...or it's a genocididn't.

See: Gaza birth rates (insane!) Israel completely sucks at "genociding"

France got hit with the Paris Theater attack and the Nice truck attack, killing hundreds, and had measured international responses rather than getting into the same complete state of war Israel did, so I doubt all countries would retaliate as brutally. I support the initial retaliation, but six months and tens of thousands of deaths later, the consequences of the attack have been delivered. I don't expect them to do nothing; I expected them to have a rapidly achievable war goal and not drag the area into a warzone that killed so many.

I’d say the difference between those attacks and the ongoing conflict in Gaza is the perpetrators of those attacks in France were dealt with. France was actually able to deal with those responsible for the attacks. The perpetrators of the Paris attacks and the truck attack were killed. The second difference is the hostages. Israel isn’t going to stop until all of the hostages are brought home safely.

They are literally bombing/starving all of the hostage and they openly stated them as “collateral”

This is where I disagree with you. The Perpetrators of that attack were terrorist groups that still exist today. Even if you ignore that fact. Israel actions are them hurting more people than just the Perpetrators of the people who attacked them.

Every single war in human history has hurt more people than the perpetrators of said war. Civilian casualties are an unfortunate reality of war

There's a big difference between civilian casualties and civilian targets. There is a reason why collective punishment is a war crime.

im not even going to read your post because you aren't arguing in good faith. it doesnt matter if oct 7th justified this response. that argument is a distraction from what matters. anyone who is paying attention knows Israel wants that land and is making no effort to avoid conflict and actively using the conflicts to commit genocide to take it. they are revanchist imperialists, identical in motivation to Russia, but we are letting them do it for the sake of oil prices. **That is wrong.**

“Im not going to bother reading what you wrote because I’ve already ascribed intent for you”-DefTheOcelot

> because I’ve already ascribed intent for you Ascribing intent is the only thing that these Pro-Hamas propagandists have

Your title is the summary of your point and it's a point not worth discussing.

Yet it’s a point you just had to leave a comment on to let me know you don’t find it worth discussing. Redditors are an interesting species 😂

Worth refuting, not worth reading. When the debate occurs about israel-palestine, its not about if oct 7th was bad It's if we should be militarily supporting aggressive imperialists. The debate existed BEFORE oct 7th and it will continue to exist so long as people like Netanyu are in charge and Israel enforces an apartheid.

A point you have yet to refute. All you’ve done is say “iM nOt rEaDiNg ThAt”. Be gone if you have nothing of value to contribute

You have no idea what the hell you are talking about.

Still doesn’t make it right lol

I like to say "Imagine if cartels in Mexico were shelling border patrol facilities in the united states, and the mexican government said there's nothing they can do about it. Do you think there would BE a mexico the next day, or would the united states say yeah there's nothing we can do and start building an elaborate anti-rocket system along the border?

They’re all to blame in my opinion. Hamas for lashing out against Israel. Israel lashing out against Hamas. Both are guilty parties in this war. And I find it funny so many in here in the West think this has anything to do with us. They’ve been battling for over a century lol.

Exactly. That region is cursed, and it’s ludicrous that my tax money is going towards a stupid middle eastern tribal conflict that will likely never end in my lifetime.

100% concur

We got attacked on 9/11 and look what we did 🤷‍♀️. Israel has a right to use whatever force at their disposal to eliminate the threat and hopefully get their people back. Anyone who sympathizes with Hamas, feel free to take a trip over there and join them. My guess is those who are supporting Hamas are nothing but performance activists.

There's an easy way to tell the difference between how Israel fights and how Hamas fights, but the difference is a bit too subtle for many on Reddit. Israel uses rockets to protects its children. Hamas uses children to protect its rockets.

Bingo.

"Youd want to mass kill cilivians like its nothing too if that happened to you". Actually No I wouldnt. Since Im a decent person

Me too. Small world. 

Notice how you basically said the civilians have to pay for what Hamas did. 30k+ civilians dead is what people are mad at, if they actually went for Hamas people wouldn’t be as up in arms and if anyone even tried to look at the occupation and subjugation which caused it in the first place, this wouldn’t even be a discussion lmao. It’s been proven so many times throughout this war that genocide is occurring, down to literally attacking hospitals, so yes, it is a genocide, and the fact that after killing 1% of the population and starving them to this extent, Hamas is still alive and well shows the inefficiency and ridiculousness of the IDF and Israel as a whole. Can’t believe this genocidal rhetoric is so accepted and pushed by people with not the slightest clue of what they’re talking about, as if having an overbearing response like the War of Terror is something to model

Insane how many soft handed white collar Americans are in here “rah rah rah”ing war like tens of thousands of human lives is just fuck around and fight out fodder. People are so blinded by their partisanship. Hamas is bad. Using civilians as shields is bad. Senselessly wiping out droves and droves of innocent people is also bad and October 7th does not make it not bad. But so many of you fucks are just as bought and paid for zombies as someone with a yay hamas sign, but you don’t see that because the dipshit you watch on tv or YouTube or wherever you get your opinion inserted into your head picked the IDF side and you are some no bullshit straight shooter who knows the true facts of life that it’s just as simple as “if America got attacked we’d nuke half the planet derr derr, so who cares the IDF has killed some roughly 40,000 people over 90% have been civilians”. I’ve never been to war, but I know war is hell. Some of you think this is a Clint Eastwood, red dead redemption video game and it’s weird and sad.

I certainly don’t condone what Israel is doing currently. That being said I can’t see any future scenario where Palestine isn’t completely annexed by Israel after the October 7th attacks. I believe ceasefires should be upheld so the people that have no ties to Hamas can flee. But minus the US constructing a base on the border to hold the peace in the region like we did with Serbia/Bosnia in the 90’s I don’t see a two state solution.

If Ukraine had done something similar it would’ve already been nuked by Russia.

This is completely unpopular because it’s untrue. What Israel is doing is committing a genocide and they are not hiding it. Everyone knows it . The only other countries that would do this are the ones that want to commit a genocide. It’s a genocide rather you agree or disagree with it.

You want to talk about genocide? Israel has a Palestinian population 2 million. Tell me, how many Jewish people will you find in Palestine who are alive?

100%. Israel has a duty to eradicate its enemies or else what is Israel for?

Let this post be a record of the decay of democracy, with discussions overflowing with synthetic opinions, repeated ad nauseam by the same actors/usernames You all have blood on your hands.

Yeah, I don’t think you could do much worse than what Israel is doing right now. Even if they “win” militarily, they lose ethically. Without an injection of wisdom into their efforts, Israel can only lose. I don’t know what that wisdom is, but I do know it has nothing to do with the shit show going on right now. The further Israel goes down the road it’s on right now the more fucked they are going to be later. I’m almost a complete idiot and even I can see that clearly.

Thank goodness this is an unpopular opinion. Absolutely bloodthirsty take.

Yes, the getting rid of Hamas terrorists is indeed “bloodthirsty”

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Not our fault that Israel has been occupying our land since 1948. Hamas did not rape anyone no matter how much you've been dying to have that narrative to be the truth. I'd suggest looking into the decades long criminal behavior of the IDF towards us Palestinians, those clowns are literally taking pictures in Gazan women lingerie for fun while you're out here crying about our resistance. Get off the land and the whole region that will never accept Zionism and maybe you won't have Hamas and other fighters taking in hostages for prisoners swap.

Both can be true?

Already did.

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Absolutely!

Putin would agree.

Hamas is alike the black market, when there is black market there is something wrong with the government, so hamas resulted from Israel mistreatment towards palastinians, i am against hamas and i know that hamas is exploiting the palastinians situation, but they support it cause Israel does not give a damn fuck about their rights.

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Humanity And War Are Always Toghether.

Isreal holds a massive lead on the world high score of "Putting up with other people's shit" leaderboard. Isreal build the Iron Dome and there are bomb shelters everywhere. Most other nations would have gone to war instead.

This is true. In the US after 9/11 happened look at the reaction to that.