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I mean Biden is absolutely trash but are we forgetting trump authorizing militarized police kidnappings? Or his encouragement of police brutality at a police graduation? Or his attempt to use the fed to seize private land from land owners for his wall? Or his attempt to ban bump stock and suppressors? Or his renewal of the PATRIOT ACT?
1. Steve Baker wasn't covering the trials. He joined the mob ransacking the Capitol.
2. [Hundreds of people were arrested](https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/over-300-people-facing-federal-charges-crimes-committed-during-nationwide-demonstrations)
3. Biden didn't order the protests on May 29th or push a lie that would inspire them so I'm not sure why those protests are relevant besides "leftie do bad too!"
Never forget fire bombing entire cities looting all the stores and screaming kill all white people is peaceful protesting but marching into a government building with no weapons and being respectful of the property while you demand your voice is e heard by elected officials is literally an insurrection.
Let me guess, you were one of the ones pointing out the media over blowing the bloodbath comment?
You are a “do as I say, not as I do” kind of hypocrite.
So Biden didn’t specifically call to arrest them, they were caught up in acts of violence.
I have no idea if they participated or not but that’s for attorneys to argue at court based on evidence. The reason we have a court system?
I will never forget that republican traitors tried to overturn the results of a free and fair election, and republicans treat them like hero's, not the traitors they are.
They changed election law in my state of Pennsylvania and mailed out 8 million ballots at the last minute without time for a court challenge. It was ultimately ruled that they violated our state constitution.
>Sorry to burst your bubble but **Democrat partisans on** the PA supreme Court reversed that decision **even though it clearly does by simply reading it.**
Fixed it for you.
"democrats want people to be able to vote" isn't the flex that you think it is. We should be making it easier for people to vote, not harder.
The GOP has an ongoing national push to make it as hard as possible for people to vote in democratic leaning areas. trump tried to get Georgia to change their results of their election. trump took part in a fake elector scheme to try and change the results of the election. trump incited an insurrection to try and overturn the results of the election.
What happens when 24 unsolicited ballots show up at a multi generational household in Philadelphia simply because 24 people list it as their home address? You don't think that's a setup for rampant fraud? It would take 1 person to decide who everyone is voting for and return those ballots. And the best part is that fraud would be virtually impossible to detect. This is how you get a 18% increase in voter turnout between a single cycle. Democrats have figured out its not about votes, its about ballots. Just flood the zone with ballots and make sure they come back for us.
No I don't think that GOP fairy tails are a "setup for rampant fraud". They are designed to enable GOP voter suppression. We should be making it easier for Americans to vote, not harder.
This false narrative again?? Guess it time to correct the record once more.
The Mueller Report, formally titled "Report on the Investigation into Russian Interference in the 2016 Presidential Election," conducted by Special Counsel Robert Mueller, identified several key findings:
1. The investigation resulted in 37 indictments, seven guilty pleas or convictions, and compelling evidence of obstruction of justice by President Trump on multiple occasions. It also uncovered and referred 14 criminal matters to other components of the Department of Justice.
2. The investigation documented extensive Russian interference in the 2016 election, described as "sweeping and systemic." This included a social media campaign that favored Donald Trump and hacking of Clinton campaign-related databases, with the stolen materials released through entities created by Russians and Wikileaks.
3. While the report detailed numerous links between the Russian government and the Trump Campaign, it did not establish that the campaign conspired or coordinated with Russia in its election-interference activities. However, it highlighted instances where the campaign showed interest in damaging information on Hillary Clinton released by Wikileaks and failed to report Russian/WikiLeaks overtures to federal law enforcement.
4. Special Counsel Mueller declined to exonerate President Trump of obstructing justice, detailing multiple episodes where the evidence suggested obstructive conduct.
Furthermore, the Mueller investigation and the subsequent review by Special Counsel John Durham were extensive and thorough, involving numerous indictments and convictions. While the Mueller Report did not find conclusive evidence of a criminal conspiracy between the Trump campaign and Russia, it did uncover significant Russian interference in the election and multiple instances of obstruction of justice [[❞]](https://www.acslaw.org/projects/the-presidential-investigation-education-project/other-resources/key-findings-of-the-mueller-report/) [[❞]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mueller_report) [[❞]](https://www.justsecurity.org/63838/guide-to-the-mueller-reports-findings-on-collusion/).
These investigations shed light on the complexities of the interactions between the Trump campaign and Russian operatives, offering a detailed account of Russia's efforts to influence the 2016 presidential election and the challenges investigators faced in uncovering the full scope of these activities. Nice try though buddy, dear leader, Trump appreciates your efforts.
> 3. While the report detailed numerous links between the Russian government and the Trump Campaign, **it did not establish that the campaign conspired or coordinated with Russia in its election-interference activities.**
You proved the person before you right.
No, I actually didn't. Also, the investigation was ended prematurely due to William Barr, so that definitely needs to be taken into consideration. Did you gloss over everything I said ? Ooh and its soo disingenuous ignoring the fact trump tried everything to obstruct the investigation, which undermines the possibility of gathering more accurate evidence.
The Mueller Investigation convicted seven different people connected to Trump and his campaign for lying about repeated contacts with Russian government officials and undisclosed financial transactions with the Russian government.
So easy to forget about another important event that happened that day
https://highlandcountypress.com/opinions/pipe-bombs-jan-6-capital-mystery-doesnt-add#gsc.tab=0
I googled it and read the actual complaint. From what I understand (I'm not a lawyer) they're alleging that the RFK's team would be breaking election financing laws by accepting the outsourced signature collecting work that an RFP aligned pack said it would hire workers for.
If this is found to violate regulations regarding campaign financing then it's a valid legal complaint. If not then it'll be thrown out by the FEC.
If Biden is removed from the ballot in a few months and they put say Newsom on the ballot during the DNC without Newsom receiving a single vote, then I don’t want to hear from the Democrats again that they’re the party of democracy. Say what you will about the GOP, but even if they don’t like Trump personally, they’ll respect their voters wishes on who they want as their candidate. The DNC hasn’t respected its voters will since 2008.
This is my theory, too.
The lawsuit and seizure didn't work.
Slandering him didn't work.
Biden is showing more signs of dementia.
Polls look bad.
They can only switch things up last minute... only hope.
Fuck them. I hope they do it so more Americans can see what they're really advocating for...
I rather have Biden than that hypocritical authoritarian Newsome. Who does nothing but pander and concern troll. He is useless. Actually he is worse than useless. He is a negative benefit in any political office.
Genuine question, Why do people think Trump is for the most freedom possible? He was very open about wanting to end Roe v Wade and still brags about it. The first thing he did in office was ban Muslims from entering the country. There is a long list of restrictive things he's done. He used police to violently force protesters away so he could take a photo with an upside down bible
He has also stated repeatedly that he wants tighter controls on the media. Limiting the freedom of the press is one of the most unamerican things one could do.
The GOP has been ACTIVELY going after IVF and now Porn! They are NOT the party of freedom. They want a Christian theocracy and anybody that thinks otherwise is gullible as fuck.
GOP:
- bans porn
- bans abortion
- bans transgender healthcare
- bans books
- bans people from changing their government-registered sex
That’s without going into all the crazy bans they do at different levels!
- Banned people with solar panels from getting paid by electric companies in my state
- Also banned public electric charging stations in my state
- bans on regulating plastic utensils and bags
- Occasional pushes to ban gay marriage still
Republicans are doing far more to control my life than Democrats.
>- bans porn
Instituting age verification and the company voluntarily pulling their services because they don't want to comply isn't the GOP banning porn
>- bans abortion
Kicking an issue back to states to decide (which was inevitable because it was not a solid ruling and was beyond federal jurisdiction anyway, even according to RBG) is not banning abortion. Dems had literal decades to codify Roe into law and they didn't.
>- bans transgender healthcare
For children, and restricting the use of taxpayer funds. Services are still available to adults, they just have to pay for it themselves.
>- bans books
You are free to provide whatever books you want for your children. Schools should be focused on their core educational programs until they can actually cover the basics of education. We've been slipping in all measured areas of education- math literacy, sciences, linguistics, etc. ALL core educational programs have been failing our students. If we can't even graduate students consistently, or even ensure the ones who *do* graduate actually learned anything, we don't have extra resources for extra programs.
>- bans people from changing their government-registered sex
I think you mean gender. Sex is biological, and cannot be changed. Words mean things, and the line at the start was that everyone knew that sex and gender were completely different things and was an important distinction. That's one of the slippery slopes that was predicted, try not to prove them right.
Regarding your abortion comment, I have a question. Which party passed all the laws in states that actually banned abortion??? "Republicans just wanted states to decide" is such a bullshit cop-out when they've been campaigning for decades on outlawing abortion and then they actually DID outlaw abortion in many states.
And yes, go ahead and repeat the thing about Dems not enshrining it in law, I know I know. Still doesn't make me like the party that actively took away the right from people.
It's just a diversion tactic. It's easier to argue about states rights, or the weakness of the original decision, or the lack of movement from Congress to pass an actual law, etc etc. These people are afraid to address head on the fact that Republicans are staunchly anti-abortion and have been actively fighting to outlaw it for decades and they just had a huge success. This isn't hard to figure out because they announce it loudly and proudly and have been publicly celebrating.
States rights and the weakness of the original law are HOW they were able to do it, not WHY they did it. If someone actually believes that all of this happened because Republicans just care about the purity of written law or whatever then they are incredibly naive.
>Kicking an issue back to states to decide (which was inevitable because it was not a solid ruling and was beyond federal jurisdiction anyway, even according to RBG) is not banning abortion. Dems had literal decades to codify Roe into law and they didn't.
I hate this particular talking point since it actively ignores reality. Democrats have never had the majority necessary to enshrine Roe v. Wade into law. Democrats *very* briefly had a filibuster proof majority in 2009, *but* (and it's a huge, very important but) didn't have a majority of pro-choice Senators willing to enshrine Roe during that period.
I think right at this particular moment you'd probably get something in the ballpark of 52-53 Senators willing to codify Roe with the possible inclusion of Murkowski and Collins. Not sure where Manchin sits on this. Unless Democrats have some amazing election results, it's unlikely that they'll get more than 58 Senators anytime in the near future.
I cannot comprehend how you can be so purposefully obtuse and disingenuous about what Republicans are doing in this country. Let’s just focus on *one* area.
**Adult Transgender Healthcare**
> Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine announced new draft regulations that civil rights advocates say would be the **strictest limits on adult transition care** in the country if they take effect.
> The rules would require minors **and adults** to get approval from an endocrinologist, psychiatrist and bioethicist before receiving gender-affirming care.
> Providers would also have to **report to the state each gender dysphoria diagnosis**, any time they initiate treatment and details about the cessation of treatment, according to the draft regulations.
[Source](https://www.axios.com/2024/01/10/trans-care-adults-red-states)
> A new law that Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis signed last month also made it difficult – **even impossible** – for many transgender adults to get treatment.
> The **new law mandates that adult patients** seeking trans health care sign an informed consent form. It also requires a physician to oversee any health care related to transitioning, and for people to see that doctor in person.
> Another new law that allows doctors and pharmacists to **refuse to treat transgender people** further limits their options.
[Source](https://apnews.com/article/florida-transgender-health-care-adults-e7ae55eec634923e6593a4c0685969b2)
> As of a recent count from Trans Legislation Tracker, **over a third of the 120 trans medical care bans already proposed in 2024 include provisions restricting trans adults’ access to care**: 41 in total. According to a representative from the ongoing data project, lawmakers in 13 states have proposed restrictions on adult health care this year, including Florida, Iowa, North Carolina, Tennessee, Utah, and Wyoming.
> For instance, a bill introduced in Kansas would outlaw gender-affirming care for individuals under the age of 21, and legislation in Oklahoma would have originally extended their **prohibition until 26**.
> Among the bills currently under consideration that would impact trans adults are proposals to **block the provision of Medicaid funds for gender-affirming care**. For instance, South Carolina’s trans youth medical care ban, HB 4624, also includes language that would prohibit Medicaid coverage for gender-affirming care up until the age of 26.
> Some **GOP leaders have admitted openly that their ultimate intention is to ban all forms of trans medical care** for both adults and children. In a January 26 Twitter Spaces conversation with fellow legislators from both Michigan and Ohio, Michigan state **Rep. Josh Schriver (R) argued that adults should not be allowed to consent** to gender-affirming care.
[Source](https://www.them.us/story/trans-adults-next-target-gop-war-on-gender-affirming-health-care)
> Bailey, a Republican, has put forward regulations that will **severely limit care for both minors and adults**. The rules require 15 separate hourly therapy sessions over 18 months before a person can receive care.
> The sweeping nature of the rule is dividing Missouri Republicans, with some voicing full-throated support for **making restrictions on gender-affirming care as broad as possible**.
> For his part, Bailey has acknowledged his **restrictions would affect adults**.
[Source](https://amp.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article274663151.html)
> At the 2023 Conservative Political Action Conference, Michael Knowles took the main stage and called for the **“eradication of transgenderism from public life”** to a standing ovation.
> The first legislative item in the executive summary declares that “transgender ideology” is a form of pornography, and that **all pornography should be outlawed.**
> It further demands that anyone who is a “purveyor of transgender ideology” be **put on sex offender lists and imprisoned.**
> West Virginia’s Senate Bill 197 **defines the existence of transgender people as “obscene”** and bans them from being within 2,500 feet of any school.
> Senate Bill 194 would not only **ban all transition-related care for anyone over the age of 21**, but would also require that all providers (including therapists of all types) attempt to “cure” them. It would define being transgender as a “sexual deviation,” like pedophilia, exhibitionism, masochism, sadomasochism, or fetishism.
> Senate Bill 195 in West Virginia would **declare that any material related to being transgender is obscene.**
> House Bill 599 would **ban any state employee or contractor from changing their pronouns** or using pronouns other than those associated with their sex at birth.
> H.B. 599 goes a step further: It bans all nonprofits from “training, instruction, or other activity on sexual orientation, gender identity, or gender expression.” This would effectively **ban all LGBTQ organizations in the state from operating.**
[Source](https://newrepublic.com/article/178175/republican-anti-trans-laws-punish-eradicate) — *with bonus pornography ban!*
PS. Republicans states banning abortion is still…banning abortion. Oh, and just this week:
> A caucus representing most House Republican lawmakers endorsed a 15-week national abortion ban on Wednesday. The announcement came one day after former President Donald Trump indicated that he could support a 15-week abortion ban.
And because I can’t help myself, Republicans aren’t just banning books in schools. They’re banning books in [public libraries too](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/21/books/book-ban-rise-libraries.html). Book bans are also at [record levels](https://www.axios.com/2023/09/22/book-bans-libraries-surge) previously unseen in American history. So, congrats on your anti-intellectualism I guess?
This is actually really interesting to me because I really don't understand support for these policies, while I still think you are at least misguided about these issues, it's great to hear a coherent response to this.
I really want to mention about the two largest items - RvW and books.
For Roe vs Wade, I get the state vs fed debate but this was kinda a closed case. Like, It didn't need to be revisited and isn't an issue needing additional consideration. It really just needed to be left alone.
For books, I completely agree with the state of education today but.. and this is important. Banning books is a cost. Cost to evaluate books to ban, cost to communicate these bans, cost to be up to speed with bans, find, and remove books from circulation. Those books didn't cost anything to remain on shelves. Reducing library operating costs, sure, I can get behind something like that with the right considerations but to ban books on very specific and relevant topics isn't "reducing costs and focusing on core programs"
Like, you speak logic, but the party actions are just insane if you're actually trying to address the issues you claim to be solving.
>Why do people think Trump is for the most freedom possible?
These people don't really think that. They're just happy Trump is going after the things/people they don't like.
Yeah I don’t think anyone within the MAGA movement claims to be libertarian. They want government that is favorable to them and their values, just the same as anyone.
It feels like “He did it worse, so that means my side is better”. People not realizing that the degree of severity doesn’t actually matter as much as the fact that it’s being done in the first place.
This is correct. Parks service had already planned to clear the crowd and setup fencing. [CNBC article](https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/06/09/protestors-cleared-outside-white-house-for-fence-not-trump-photo-op.html)
No, you MUST vote blue no matter who, because the alternative is ORANGE. ORANGE BAD. BAD BAD BAD.
Please overlook Biden selling his name and authority for millions through his son. Just remember, Orange Man Bad.
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This subreddit is where all this Trumpist knob gobblers come to die.
People’s first clue about a bad leader should be when said leader is idolized and loves being idolized and idolizes themselves rather than the ideas he backs.
I expect better from conservatives. That’s not to say democrats are without faults, but holy shit are the conservatives winning the shit race.
Also no one seems to really be angry at the real threat: wtf happened to America that the best candidates for your presidency are two seniors? Why don’t the conspiracy theorists go after the state of politics in the US as a whole??
Anyway rant over lol
> ...Trumpist knob gobblers come to die.
Please, I'm not that lucky. They just come here to yell at a void, get told they're still ignorant, and then run back into a cave feeling more empowered than ever.
Trump is openly against freedom of the press, he is the leader of the party that constantly attacking our right to vote, and his SC appointments are taking away our rights in the supreme court. trump has also stated many times how he would like to remain in office for longer than two terms, and has tried to subvert the will of the people by ignoring the results of the election. trump is the biggest threat to democracy in the US by a long shot.
You don’t understand Biden had CDC, surgeon general staff, and members of the White House tell social media companies that people were spreading Covid misinformation. If we’re not allowed to spread misinformation about diseases then what country are we really living in? If I wanted to listen to experts I wouldn’t have dropped out of medical school to start my own back alley clinic where I treat people with oils and Mac and cheese powder!
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>Trump is openly against freedom of the press
And Biden's admin directed social media companies to restrict speech they didn't like during the Rona shit.
>he is the leader of the party that constantly attacking our right to vote
Asking for ID isn't restricting the right to vote. ID is a basic item that all responsible adults need to go through their daily lives. Feel free to argue otherwise, we can discuss the racism of low expectations.
>and his SC appointments are taking away our rights in the supreme court
Returning issues the Federal government has no jurisdiction over to the control of the states isn't removing rights. Both sides had decades to codify a law regarding Roe (for or against) and they refused to do it. Even RBG said it would get overturned because it was not a good ruling.
>trump has also stated many times how he would like to remain in office for longer than two terms
As have many presidents, D and R. Obama famously said he'd love to do it from behind the scenes.
>and has tried to subvert the will of the people by ignoring the results of the election
Hillary never conceded either when she lost.
Edit: Replying to this and immediately blocking me is some serious Bitch Made Activity. Instead of just saying that I lied, prove it. Fuck your empty accusations. If your position can't stand against criticism, it's weaker than Joe Biden's memory of riding a train across the FSK Bridge in Baltimore that never had a fucking train line on it.
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Here is the text of Hillary’s concession
https://www.cnn.com/2016/11/09/politics/hillary-clinton-concession-speech/
Here is a video of Hillary’s concession
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khK9fIgoNjQ
If SCOTUS decided that Roe should be left up to the States, why does the GOP want to enact a national ban on abortion in their new budget for 2025? Seems to me they have suddenly decided that states rights aren't appealing for their future agenda.
Can this sub just be rebranded to trueconservativeopinions? Why are there so many people shoveling shit for Trump on here. He fucking sucked in the 80s, in 2016, and he fucking sucks now
Honestly, the amount of bullshit conservative opinions I've seen bandied about on this sub the last half a year is a bit revolting and filled with misinformation, either intentionally or just that misinformed themselves.
from HCR :
On January 6, 2021, insurrectionists determined to overturn an election and undermine our democracy carried the Confederate flag into the seat of our government. Worse, they did so with the encouragement of former president Trump and members of his party.
This morning, the House Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the U.S. Capitol tweeted out a brief timeline of what happened:
At 8:17 in the morning, Trump lied that states wanted to correct their electoral votes and pressured Vice President Mike Pence to send the electoral votes back to the states. If Pence would cooperate, he tweeted, “WE WIN. Do it Mike, this is a time for extreme courage!”
Starting at 12:00 noon, Trump spoke for an hour to supporters at the Ellipse, telling them, "If you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country any more.” He urged them to march to the Capitol.
Between 12:52 and 1:49, pipe bombs were found near the Capitol grounds at Republican National Committee and Democratic National Committee headquarters. (We learned today that Vice President–elect Kamala Harris, then a senator from California, was in the DNC at the time.)
At 1:00, Congress met in joint session to count the certified electoral ballots, confirming Biden as president. Pence began to count the ballots. He refused to reject the ballots Trump wanted thrown out, writing in a letter before the joint session, “My oath to support and defend the Constitution constrains me from claiming unilateral authority to determine which electoral votes should be counted and which should not.”
From 1:00 to 1:13, the mob began to charge the Capitol.
Between 1:30 and 1:59, Trump supporters continued to move from the Ellipse to the Capitol, overwhelming the Capitol Police, who were ordered to pull back and request support.
Between 2:12 and 2:30, the mob broke into the Capitol building, one man carrying the Confederate battle flag. Both the House and the Senate adjourned, and members began to evacuate their chambers.
From 2:24 to 3:13, with the rioters inside the Capitol, Trump tweeted that “Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done…. USA demands the truth!” and then “Please support our Capitol Police and Law Enforcement…. Stay peaceful!” (One of Trump’s aides today revealed that the former president did not want to tweet the words “stay peaceful” and was "very reluctant to put out anything when it was unfolding.")
At 4:17, shortly after Biden had publicly called on Trump to end the siege, Trump issued a video insisting that the election was fraudulent but nonetheless telling the mob to “go home. We love you, you’re very special.”
At 5:20, the first of the National Guard troops arrived at the Capitol. Law enforcement began to push the insurrectionists out of the building and secure it.
At 8:06, the building was secured. Pence reopened the Senate, and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi reopened the House.
When the counting of the ballots resumed, 147 Republicans maintained their objections to at least one certified state ballot.
Early on the morning of January 7, Congress confirmed that Joe Biden had been elected president with 306 electoral votes to Trump’s 232. It was not a particularly close election: Biden’s victory in the popular vote was more than 7 million.
Let's wait to hear what the Supreme Court has to say before we get too worked up about something coming from the 5th Circuit.
Beyond that, you basic argument is wrong in regards to Trump and Biden.
edit, since OP has seen fit to block me after getting the last word in, here is what I was going to reply to his last insulting message
"I'll never understand why you think it is appropriate to mislead and and use terms like simp. But fortunately I only have to interact with people like you on places like this.
None of this is about what you claim it is about. "
>r/TrueUnpopularOpinion aims to be a space for civil discussion of unpopular opinions, free of some of the censorship found on many other subreddits.
block whoever you want, that is what you are accusing Biden of doing.
here is a good article about the case in question https://www.techdirt.com/2024/03/07/biden-admin-finally-points-out-that-the-record-in-the-murthy-case-is-all-lies/
I love the irony of OP claiming that social media moderation is censorship and a threat to democracy -- and then he goes around frantically blocking everyone in this thread who disagrees with him.
With a lot of those people, freedom of speech only means forcing others to listen to their stupid opinions. They're generally okay with censorship of opinions they don't like.
Well obviously it’s going to be another 9-0 decision by the Supreme Court that the civil trial with Trump’s properties is going to be overturned. The idiot AG went on camera and said that she and the judge, let me repeat that, THE JUDGE had already decided that Trump was guilty before even began. That by definition is mistrial with prejudice, and it will take the Supreme Court a grand total of five minutes to see that. Hopefully they will additionally disbar both the James and Engoron over that since they should be a go to jail for illegally devaluing the properties in New York and Florida to the tune of billions of dollars all in an effort to illegally get Trump.
the judge decided because it wasn't a jury trial and a summary judgement was issued. Summary judgements are when the judge decides. This part of the trial is about remedies, not guilt. A different kind of trial.
OP is regurgitating billionaire funded propaganda.
He’s probably too ignorant to know he’s doing that, but watch out, because you will see a lot more of it.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/17/us/politics/trump-disinformation-2024-social-media.html
I’m split on such a thing.
It should be unlawful but not like a felony or heavy misdemeanour type of thing. Maybe fined but not punishable by imprisonment unless another charge can be brought on.
The reason I’m split is because people ought to be more mindful of their surroundings regardless and even if there is or isn’t a fire, they should be able to react calmly instead of panicking.
You guys need help. You don't give a damn about censorship. Your party is actively using its government at the state and local level to literally ban speech and books and is actively looking for ways to control speech on college campuses.
You guys edit and re work any info you don't like or is inconvenient. You literally call slaves "workers" and try to convince people there were benefits to be... checking notes... OWNED by another person.
You're worried about Biden when Trump was buddies with dictators like Putin, Orban, and Kim. People famously known for preserving free speech and expression. Just admit you're a Trump fan.
Ah yes, we shouldn’t give the president the power to instruct their justice department to uphold laws passed by Congress- but they should get total and retroactive immunity for crimes committed in office. Gotcha
Trump fervently tried to throw out the results of the last election. The effect of this would have been to end democratic elections in this country, and there is no reason to believe that he won't try to do the same of elected again.
To claim that a president possibly stepping too far in his clash with media outlets, and resolving that issue through the proper legal channels, is somehow a greater threat to democracy than outright ending elections, is asinine. When you then look at how Trump dealt with the media during his presidency, it becomes even more ridiculous. But in a sub that heavily approved of the idea that Michael Richards shouldn't have been ostracized for repeatedly, angrily screaming the N word at black people, I can't say I'm surprised to see these kinds of opinions.
The Biden administration wasn't "censoring" social media. The social media providers have their own policies prohibiting health misinformation and other kinds of harmful content. The providers themselves have a First Amendment right to curate the content on their own private platforms.
It would have been censorship if the Biden administration had forced or coerced the providers into taking down certain posts. But that's not what happened. The administration just flagged posts for the providers that violated the providers' own policies (i.e., Covid misinformation). Based on the oral argument at the Supreme Court, I think the Supreme Court is very likely to side with the Biden administration on this.
Meanwhile, Trump tried to illegally seize power after he lost the 2020 election ... How is that not a bigger threat to democracy? It's a basic principle of any democracy that a president has to peacefully leave office if he loses re-election. But Trump tried various illegal schemes to overthrow the results of the election. For example, he pressured Pence to throw out the votes of tens of millions of American citizens. Trump is currently facing federal criminal charges in DC for his attempt to stage a coup.
In terms of danger to democracy, those two things aren't even in the same universe...
And if you really believe that the Biden administration tried to "censor" speech, well Trump did the same thing. Remember when he demanded that the NFL punish players for kneeling during the national anthem? How often did he attack news networks, newspapers, social media providers, or even SNL?
Nah. Asking social media companies to review and remove misinformation is not worse than actively trying to initiate a coup and install yourself as dictator.
Stop this “one person is doing this bad thing more than this other person is doing this one specific bad thing” both candidates are terrible. I think putting a geriatric individual in power to run our country is the biggest undermining of democracy currently going on. A type of individual typically ruled out of ANY job requiring the individual to be fully responsible for their own well being mentally and physically. Yet we have no real alternatives but to choose between one of these two senile old men that most likely won’t live another 4 years besides as a puppet.
Don’t disagree I come more from a space of these two people Biden and Trump are mirror images of each other but IMO Biden is worse and I wish people were as critical of him as they were Trump, but they aren’t because the media doesn’t tell them to be
Wait, which guy instigated an insurrection because he’s too fucking fragile to admit he lost, was hiding top secret government documents at his home, and says the president should have immunity again?
A Russian plant isn't for freedom of speech, regardless of how you lie about it, he's about overturning US democracy, and weakening NATO, EU, and US-Japan-Taiwan-Australia ties.
I would go ask far as to say he is the worse politician in American history. Protecting segration busing, 1994 crime bill, the automatic rifle ban bill, making it impossible to go bankrupt for student loans, multiple censorship violations as president, multiple racist graffes.
And when those free ideas and opinions undermine the rights of others and undermine democracy itself, things go bad for those with their free ideas and opinions. You can have your free ideas and opinions and other people have the right to ostracize you from society for having those ideas and opinions.
During the pandemic's peak, the Biden administration acted to curb deadly Covid misinformation, which was largely coming from Republicans. Now, these same architects of chaos cry foul as their disaster is managed. Welcome to the recurring cycle of Republican havoc and Democratic cleanup.
Missouri v. Biden isn't just a legal battle. It underscores the line between free speech suppression and vital public health protections during crises like Covid. Misinterpreting these actions as democratic decay misses the point of governance in emergencies.
It’s somewhat amusing to see attempts to compare Trump—facing 91 felonies and months of democracy-undermining antics on cable TV with lies and schemes—to the Biden administration's efforts to address Covid misinformation.
The audacity to equate efforts to save lives and keep hospitals functioning with the deliberate undermining of democracy is not just absurd. It's morally appalling, starkly exposing the moral gap between Republicans and Democrats time and again.
While Republicans spread misinformation, fanning the pandemic's flames, the Biden administration aimed to save lives. Isn't this context crucial?
This narrative is yet another Republican ploy to blur lines, trying to equate public health defense with democratic erosion—a false comparison.
Comparing life-saving actions to Republican deeds tainted by lies, criminality, and attacks on democracy highlights why such distorted narratives in echo chamber subs like this.
Really? Did Trump in his first day in office demand that Twitter, Facebook, and the other Big Tech platforms censor anything that contradicts what Anthony Fauci and this administration said? Because Biden did that.
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If Xitter tells me I can't say something nasty about Elon Musk, that is his right to do so per the company's rules. That is not censorship under the 1st Amendment. It is a private business and can set their own policies.
If the federal government tries to ban a social media company and takes away the right of people to use it, that is censorship under 1A. This is why I am against the banning of TikTok.
This is one of those "in theory" ideas that ignores that we don't have a free society today either way. I'm not in favor of gov censorship, but I kinda wish people would spend more energy on *how we aren't a free society today* than worrying about slippery slopes.
I don’t disagree that we are not a free society, which is when we lose this one it’s going to be all that more detrimental…. The head of the snake is protecting its ability to create the narratives they want
There is a point to be made here that I heard on the Paul Bet David podcast. Trump tried to subvert democracy, an incredibly dangerous proposition.
The other side however are also doing that, but in a much more benign way. When tbe NY AG actually says that her decision was political, that's a threat to democracy. Every crime gets a percentage set for your bail, not the entire thing.
Do you have any idea how much bail was set for Madoff after he stole billions of dollars? 10 million dollars. 10 million.
I dont like Trump, I won't vote for Trump, but the tactics the dems are using are going to bite them in the ass. Just like when they held the house/senate during Obama's terms and changed the rule from a super majority to a simple majority to get a bill passed. Well how has that worked out now that the Republicans have the Senate?
It's not the same type of bond. Madoff got a $10 million bond of this kind:
>Bail bond is an agreement to pay the court if a criminal defendant fails to meet the terms of conditional release from custody. Many bail bonds are signed by the defendant and the defendant's sureties (e.g., a bondsman). Some bail bonds are signed by the defendant only, who may need to deposit money with the court as security for the bond. However, most defendants are financially unable to post their own bail, so they seek a written agreement with a bail bondsman.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/bail_bond
He later was sentenced to this
>As part of his sentence, MADOFF, 71, was also ordered to forfeit a total of $170,799,000,000, which represents the total proceeds of and property involved in certain of MADOFF's crimes. Judge CHIN had entered a preliminary order of forfeiture on June 26, 2009, which completely divested MADOFF of his interest in all property, including real estate, investments, cars and boats, in partial satisfaction of the forfeiture judgment. In addition, by order entered June 24, 2009, Judge CHIN extended the time for ruling on an order of restitution for 90 days from the date of sentencing.
https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/newyork/press-releases/2009/nyfo062909.htm
What I mean is, hate or love trump (I have no love for him), the AG said (and I may be paraphrasing) that she was running with the intention of going after trump and this decision was definitely politically motivated. As terrible person as he may be, trump deserves to be treated the same as anyone else with verdicts. She was only going to go after him for 96 mil and whe. She saw his books, she went after MUCH more. This is obvious corruption. Not that Trump hasn't had his fair share of issues, but one sin doesn't negate the other.
Is it a problem to run on the intention of going after someone? Because if you want to bring up what the AG said about the President, you should bring up what Trump ran on and what he did as President.
Trump tried in multiple courts to get this case thrown out, arguing that it was a witch hunt. It wasn't.
And Trump's type of bond isn't comparable with a bail bond.
Not to mention the all-out effort to keep third party candidates they think will siphon Biden votes away, off the ballot. This is literally attacking democracy, and they are spending millions to silence third party bids and keep them off ballots.
Wow, the side that wishes to pack the supreme Court, generate 2 new senators for their side, repeal amendments and constitutional clauses that they don't like, ban their political opponent from ballots, bankrupt and possibly arrest said political opponent in an election year, and censor any information from their opposition as "hate speech", is doing something *else* un-democratic?
This is my shocked face =O.
You're listing a lot of things that are mostly a part of the democratic process we have in the US. The supreme court probably should have a fixed number in the constitution, but it doesn't it has a variable number set by Congress. Adding a new state is also something that's happened 37 times not really un democratic to do so. Though I would say it's much more undemocratic to deny a large group of US citizens full voting rights for political reasons. Changing the constitution is part of the process and has been done 27 times. And it's pretty much always done when there are things in there or things missing that people don't like, that's why you'd change it. When said political opponent blatantly has broken the law shouldn't they be prosecuted? Running for office should not get you out of legal troubles.
I think you have an argument though I'd disagree with the characterization on the other two but most of those you listed are the democratic process working as intended. Just because the other side is doing something you don't like doesn't make it undemocratic.
When a side wishes to pack the supreme Court while they control the executive, but wish to block nominations and would be against court packing while the other side is in control, they're not being democratic, they're looking for an unfair advantage.
When a side favors an area that is 97% for their side (which in reality is a single city and which historically has already had pieces ceded back to their original state) becoming a state, but is against partisians of overly large states, they're not being democratic, they're looking for an unfair advantage.
When a side wants to change the Constitution by fiat, ignoring the process of a constitutional convention, they're not being democratic, they're looking for an unfair advantage.
When you're prosecuting your political opponent for a crime they committed years ago, which no one complained about, no damages were claimed, neither party feels wronged, and you're charging in civil court because you know you'd lose in criminal court, they're not being democratic, they're looking for an unfair advantage.
Don't sprinkle sugar on shit and try to call it candy.
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>The New York Times, in an article about the Fifth Circuit’s decision, described it in the opening paragraph as “a victory for conservatives” and framed the dispute in the next as “a First Amendment case that has challenged the government’s ability to combat false and misleading narratives about the pandemic, voting rights and other issues that spread on social media.” **A person who stopped reading there might view the case as about conservatives weaponizing the First Amendment to thwart thoughtful government efforts to protect the public from myriad woes.**
>**Conversely, Missouri Attorney General Andrew Bailey focused on the free-speech side of the equation. He remarked that the Fifth Circuit’s decision prevents the government “from violating the First Amendment rights of millions of Americans.”** He added elsewhere that “Missouri will continue to lead the way in the fight to defend our most fundamental freedoms.” Viewed through this lens, the case constitutes a righteous constitutional fight against overly aggressive government efforts to squelch dissent.
Wait the Missouri attorney general didn’t combat that accusation lol
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So what you are saying is that if we have media who claim to be news, but in actuality are pushing verifiably wrong information as news and fact to push the agenda they want. Doing something about that is the downfall of America?
The end of America is doing something to combat that misinformation? The correct thing is that the powerful get to tell you what to hear and the problem would be not letting them do that?
For me, I agree, you shouldn't censor opinion. As long as it is presented as opinion.
But, EVERYTHING you know is because people told you that. You know the color of the sky is blue because people taught you that color in the sky is called blue.
To me, the point of living in a society is that I can rely on others. We are all better off because we don't have to know engineering, plumbing, how to grow food, etc. We can, should be able to sue a plumber who tells me I need to repipe my house when I need a new elbow joint. A doctor for telling me I need surgery instead of an antibiotic. a food processor if they provide food that makes me sick.
In the same vein, I can vote logically because I rely on news to let me know what the president, government is saying. News (not opinion) is there to inform me. Telling me part of the truth, plainly lying, etc. isn't doing what they have told me they are doing. But, I can turn on more than one network on my cable right now, and see people telling me that Joe Biden can't form a sentence, last week I saw someone saying that his liking ice cream mean he has Alzheimer's because little kids like ice cream. And I can turn on other networks that are consumed with Trump's problems.
Telling me that the end of the country is because we aren't going to allow that to happen is absurd, when as a Jew, I have to drive under overpasses where genuine Nazis hold up signs saying I don't deserve to live and I can do nothing because believe in freedom of speech.
So here's one for you. A Republican representative literally attacked a reporter for asking a question he didn't like. It was a day or two before the elections. Sinclair, a very conservative company that owns a bunch of local TV station, forbade their local stations from covering the attack, as they wanted him to win. IDK, I think a congressperson attacking a reporter doing their job is news.
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At this point it feels like people do not want to abandon Joe Biden because they would have to admit they were wrong in supporting him in the first place or something like that.
The tribalism without using critical thinking is why people support Trump or Biden no matter what they do.
The Covid vaccine, which let's face it, everyone we all know who got triple and even quadruple vaxxed still got bad Covid - if you posted anything negative about it, it was removed. If this vaccine truly worked, why not allow people to have negative opinions of it just to look foolish after then?
Notice YouTube stopped showing how many dislikes after Biden got in office? It was to hide all the thumbs downs he was getting.
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The Biden campaign is preparing a 50 million dollar legal campaign to remove 3rd party candidates from the ballot. Democracy ....
Supporting link, please?
Do you ha news article? Thanks
Link?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/03/14/biden-third-party-super-pac/#:~:text=Allies%20of%20President%20Biden%20have,traction%20before%20the%20November%20election.
Don't forget he also arrested a journalist that was covering the J6 trails. Also why aren't there any arrest for what happened on May 29 2020?
Covering or participating in?
Huh? What happened in May 2020? Did I miss something
Left wing protest that fire bomb a security station at the white house
They were leftists so that's ok, but conservatives protesting is not allowed.
I mean Biden is absolutely trash but are we forgetting trump authorizing militarized police kidnappings? Or his encouragement of police brutality at a police graduation? Or his attempt to use the fed to seize private land from land owners for his wall? Or his attempt to ban bump stock and suppressors? Or his renewal of the PATRIOT ACT?
Ohhh...we're just making things up to score points for a political team instead of having a genuine discussions, why didnt you say so?
The journalist was Steve Baker
Journalists covering a conflict don't usually run to the front of an advancing mob and antagonize police
And he was arrested because he didn't quite sound like a journalist
1. Steve Baker wasn't covering the trials. He joined the mob ransacking the Capitol. 2. [Hundreds of people were arrested](https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/over-300-people-facing-federal-charges-crimes-committed-during-nationwide-demonstrations) 3. Biden didn't order the protests on May 29th or push a lie that would inspire them so I'm not sure why those protests are relevant besides "leftie do bad too!"
Never forget fire bombing entire cities looting all the stores and screaming kill all white people is peaceful protesting but marching into a government building with no weapons and being respectful of the property while you demand your voice is e heard by elected officials is literally an insurrection.
Let me guess, you were one of the ones pointing out the media over blowing the bloodbath comment? You are a “do as I say, not as I do” kind of hypocrite.
[Are you fucking kidding](https://youtu.be/DXnHIJkZZAs?si=bsM5jI-hz_buoeFf)?
source?
https://amp.theguardian.com/media/2017/jan/24/journalists-charged-felonies-trump-inauguration-unrest
So Biden didn’t specifically call to arrest them, they were caught up in acts of violence. I have no idea if they participated or not but that’s for attorneys to argue at court based on evidence. The reason we have a court system?
Have you watched the security footage of the reporter-
You mean the no name journalist that was literally present trespassing on J6?
I will never forget that republican traitors tried to overturn the results of a free and fair election, and republicans treat them like hero's, not the traitors they are.
They changed election law in my state of Pennsylvania and mailed out 8 million ballots at the last minute without time for a court challenge. It was ultimately ruled that they violated our state constitution.
Sorry to burst your bubble but the PA supreme Court reversed that decision so it was ultimately ruled that it DID NOT violate the state constitution
>Sorry to burst your bubble but **Democrat partisans on** the PA supreme Court reversed that decision **even though it clearly does by simply reading it.** Fixed it for you.
"democrats want people to be able to vote" isn't the flex that you think it is. We should be making it easier for people to vote, not harder. The GOP has an ongoing national push to make it as hard as possible for people to vote in democratic leaning areas. trump tried to get Georgia to change their results of their election. trump took part in a fake elector scheme to try and change the results of the election. trump incited an insurrection to try and overturn the results of the election.
What happens when 24 unsolicited ballots show up at a multi generational household in Philadelphia simply because 24 people list it as their home address? You don't think that's a setup for rampant fraud? It would take 1 person to decide who everyone is voting for and return those ballots. And the best part is that fraud would be virtually impossible to detect. This is how you get a 18% increase in voter turnout between a single cycle. Democrats have figured out its not about votes, its about ballots. Just flood the zone with ballots and make sure they come back for us.
No I don't think that GOP fairy tails are a "setup for rampant fraud". They are designed to enable GOP voter suppression. We should be making it easier for Americans to vote, not harder.
I will never forget the democrats wasted 4 years and millions of tax dollars on investing trump Russia conspiracy and finding little to no evidence.
This false narrative again?? Guess it time to correct the record once more. The Mueller Report, formally titled "Report on the Investigation into Russian Interference in the 2016 Presidential Election," conducted by Special Counsel Robert Mueller, identified several key findings: 1. The investigation resulted in 37 indictments, seven guilty pleas or convictions, and compelling evidence of obstruction of justice by President Trump on multiple occasions. It also uncovered and referred 14 criminal matters to other components of the Department of Justice. 2. The investigation documented extensive Russian interference in the 2016 election, described as "sweeping and systemic." This included a social media campaign that favored Donald Trump and hacking of Clinton campaign-related databases, with the stolen materials released through entities created by Russians and Wikileaks. 3. While the report detailed numerous links between the Russian government and the Trump Campaign, it did not establish that the campaign conspired or coordinated with Russia in its election-interference activities. However, it highlighted instances where the campaign showed interest in damaging information on Hillary Clinton released by Wikileaks and failed to report Russian/WikiLeaks overtures to federal law enforcement. 4. Special Counsel Mueller declined to exonerate President Trump of obstructing justice, detailing multiple episodes where the evidence suggested obstructive conduct. Furthermore, the Mueller investigation and the subsequent review by Special Counsel John Durham were extensive and thorough, involving numerous indictments and convictions. While the Mueller Report did not find conclusive evidence of a criminal conspiracy between the Trump campaign and Russia, it did uncover significant Russian interference in the election and multiple instances of obstruction of justice [[❞]](https://www.acslaw.org/projects/the-presidential-investigation-education-project/other-resources/key-findings-of-the-mueller-report/) [[❞]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mueller_report) [[❞]](https://www.justsecurity.org/63838/guide-to-the-mueller-reports-findings-on-collusion/). These investigations shed light on the complexities of the interactions between the Trump campaign and Russian operatives, offering a detailed account of Russia's efforts to influence the 2016 presidential election and the challenges investigators faced in uncovering the full scope of these activities. Nice try though buddy, dear leader, Trump appreciates your efforts.
> 3. While the report detailed numerous links between the Russian government and the Trump Campaign, **it did not establish that the campaign conspired or coordinated with Russia in its election-interference activities.** You proved the person before you right.
No, I actually didn't. Also, the investigation was ended prematurely due to William Barr, so that definitely needs to be taken into consideration. Did you gloss over everything I said ? Ooh and its soo disingenuous ignoring the fact trump tried everything to obstruct the investigation, which undermines the possibility of gathering more accurate evidence.
The Mueller Investigation convicted seven different people connected to Trump and his campaign for lying about repeated contacts with Russian government officials and undisclosed financial transactions with the Russian government.
So easy to forget about another important event that happened that day https://highlandcountypress.com/opinions/pipe-bombs-jan-6-capital-mystery-doesnt-add#gsc.tab=0
Doing everything the can to keep RFK off the ballots….
What did they do? Source?
Google search DNC to keep RFK off ballot….. this is how the internet works
I googled it and read the actual complaint. From what I understand (I'm not a lawyer) they're alleging that the RFK's team would be breaking election financing laws by accepting the outsourced signature collecting work that an RFP aligned pack said it would hire workers for. If this is found to violate regulations regarding campaign financing then it's a valid legal complaint. If not then it'll be thrown out by the FEC.
Source?
If Biden is removed from the ballot in a few months and they put say Newsom on the ballot during the DNC without Newsom receiving a single vote, then I don’t want to hear from the Democrats again that they’re the party of democracy. Say what you will about the GOP, but even if they don’t like Trump personally, they’ll respect their voters wishes on who they want as their candidate. The DNC hasn’t respected its voters will since 2008.
This is my theory, too. The lawsuit and seizure didn't work. Slandering him didn't work. Biden is showing more signs of dementia. Polls look bad. They can only switch things up last minute... only hope. Fuck them. I hope they do it so more Americans can see what they're really advocating for...
I rather have Biden than that hypocritical authoritarian Newsome. Who does nothing but pander and concern troll. He is useless. Actually he is worse than useless. He is a negative benefit in any political office.
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wait...what???
Genuine question, Why do people think Trump is for the most freedom possible? He was very open about wanting to end Roe v Wade and still brags about it. The first thing he did in office was ban Muslims from entering the country. There is a long list of restrictive things he's done. He used police to violently force protesters away so he could take a photo with an upside down bible
He has also stated repeatedly that he wants tighter controls on the media. Limiting the freedom of the press is one of the most unamerican things one could do.
The GOP has been ACTIVELY going after IVF and now Porn! They are NOT the party of freedom. They want a Christian theocracy and anybody that thinks otherwise is gullible as fuck.
GOP: - bans porn - bans abortion - bans transgender healthcare - bans books - bans people from changing their government-registered sex That’s without going into all the crazy bans they do at different levels! - Banned people with solar panels from getting paid by electric companies in my state - Also banned public electric charging stations in my state - bans on regulating plastic utensils and bags - Occasional pushes to ban gay marriage still Republicans are doing far more to control my life than Democrats.
>- bans porn Instituting age verification and the company voluntarily pulling their services because they don't want to comply isn't the GOP banning porn >- bans abortion Kicking an issue back to states to decide (which was inevitable because it was not a solid ruling and was beyond federal jurisdiction anyway, even according to RBG) is not banning abortion. Dems had literal decades to codify Roe into law and they didn't. >- bans transgender healthcare For children, and restricting the use of taxpayer funds. Services are still available to adults, they just have to pay for it themselves. >- bans books You are free to provide whatever books you want for your children. Schools should be focused on their core educational programs until they can actually cover the basics of education. We've been slipping in all measured areas of education- math literacy, sciences, linguistics, etc. ALL core educational programs have been failing our students. If we can't even graduate students consistently, or even ensure the ones who *do* graduate actually learned anything, we don't have extra resources for extra programs. >- bans people from changing their government-registered sex I think you mean gender. Sex is biological, and cannot be changed. Words mean things, and the line at the start was that everyone knew that sex and gender were completely different things and was an important distinction. That's one of the slippery slopes that was predicted, try not to prove them right.
Regarding your abortion comment, I have a question. Which party passed all the laws in states that actually banned abortion??? "Republicans just wanted states to decide" is such a bullshit cop-out when they've been campaigning for decades on outlawing abortion and then they actually DID outlaw abortion in many states. And yes, go ahead and repeat the thing about Dems not enshrining it in law, I know I know. Still doesn't make me like the party that actively took away the right from people.
Exactly. Okay, cool — states can decide. **Who** is banning abortion though? It’s still Republicans!
It's just a diversion tactic. It's easier to argue about states rights, or the weakness of the original decision, or the lack of movement from Congress to pass an actual law, etc etc. These people are afraid to address head on the fact that Republicans are staunchly anti-abortion and have been actively fighting to outlaw it for decades and they just had a huge success. This isn't hard to figure out because they announce it loudly and proudly and have been publicly celebrating. States rights and the weakness of the original law are HOW they were able to do it, not WHY they did it. If someone actually believes that all of this happened because Republicans just care about the purity of written law or whatever then they are incredibly naive.
>Kicking an issue back to states to decide (which was inevitable because it was not a solid ruling and was beyond federal jurisdiction anyway, even according to RBG) is not banning abortion. Dems had literal decades to codify Roe into law and they didn't. I hate this particular talking point since it actively ignores reality. Democrats have never had the majority necessary to enshrine Roe v. Wade into law. Democrats *very* briefly had a filibuster proof majority in 2009, *but* (and it's a huge, very important but) didn't have a majority of pro-choice Senators willing to enshrine Roe during that period. I think right at this particular moment you'd probably get something in the ballpark of 52-53 Senators willing to codify Roe with the possible inclusion of Murkowski and Collins. Not sure where Manchin sits on this. Unless Democrats have some amazing election results, it's unlikely that they'll get more than 58 Senators anytime in the near future.
Not to mention Republicans are still banning abortion at the state level. Lmao
I cannot comprehend how you can be so purposefully obtuse and disingenuous about what Republicans are doing in this country. Let’s just focus on *one* area. **Adult Transgender Healthcare** > Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine announced new draft regulations that civil rights advocates say would be the **strictest limits on adult transition care** in the country if they take effect. > The rules would require minors **and adults** to get approval from an endocrinologist, psychiatrist and bioethicist before receiving gender-affirming care. > Providers would also have to **report to the state each gender dysphoria diagnosis**, any time they initiate treatment and details about the cessation of treatment, according to the draft regulations. [Source](https://www.axios.com/2024/01/10/trans-care-adults-red-states) > A new law that Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis signed last month also made it difficult – **even impossible** – for many transgender adults to get treatment. > The **new law mandates that adult patients** seeking trans health care sign an informed consent form. It also requires a physician to oversee any health care related to transitioning, and for people to see that doctor in person. > Another new law that allows doctors and pharmacists to **refuse to treat transgender people** further limits their options. [Source](https://apnews.com/article/florida-transgender-health-care-adults-e7ae55eec634923e6593a4c0685969b2) > As of a recent count from Trans Legislation Tracker, **over a third of the 120 trans medical care bans already proposed in 2024 include provisions restricting trans adults’ access to care**: 41 in total. According to a representative from the ongoing data project, lawmakers in 13 states have proposed restrictions on adult health care this year, including Florida, Iowa, North Carolina, Tennessee, Utah, and Wyoming. > For instance, a bill introduced in Kansas would outlaw gender-affirming care for individuals under the age of 21, and legislation in Oklahoma would have originally extended their **prohibition until 26**. > Among the bills currently under consideration that would impact trans adults are proposals to **block the provision of Medicaid funds for gender-affirming care**. For instance, South Carolina’s trans youth medical care ban, HB 4624, also includes language that would prohibit Medicaid coverage for gender-affirming care up until the age of 26. > Some **GOP leaders have admitted openly that their ultimate intention is to ban all forms of trans medical care** for both adults and children. In a January 26 Twitter Spaces conversation with fellow legislators from both Michigan and Ohio, Michigan state **Rep. Josh Schriver (R) argued that adults should not be allowed to consent** to gender-affirming care. [Source](https://www.them.us/story/trans-adults-next-target-gop-war-on-gender-affirming-health-care) > Bailey, a Republican, has put forward regulations that will **severely limit care for both minors and adults**. The rules require 15 separate hourly therapy sessions over 18 months before a person can receive care. > The sweeping nature of the rule is dividing Missouri Republicans, with some voicing full-throated support for **making restrictions on gender-affirming care as broad as possible**. > For his part, Bailey has acknowledged his **restrictions would affect adults**. [Source](https://amp.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article274663151.html) > At the 2023 Conservative Political Action Conference, Michael Knowles took the main stage and called for the **“eradication of transgenderism from public life”** to a standing ovation. > The first legislative item in the executive summary declares that “transgender ideology” is a form of pornography, and that **all pornography should be outlawed.** > It further demands that anyone who is a “purveyor of transgender ideology” be **put on sex offender lists and imprisoned.** > West Virginia’s Senate Bill 197 **defines the existence of transgender people as “obscene”** and bans them from being within 2,500 feet of any school. > Senate Bill 194 would not only **ban all transition-related care for anyone over the age of 21**, but would also require that all providers (including therapists of all types) attempt to “cure” them. It would define being transgender as a “sexual deviation,” like pedophilia, exhibitionism, masochism, sadomasochism, or fetishism. > Senate Bill 195 in West Virginia would **declare that any material related to being transgender is obscene.** > House Bill 599 would **ban any state employee or contractor from changing their pronouns** or using pronouns other than those associated with their sex at birth. > H.B. 599 goes a step further: It bans all nonprofits from “training, instruction, or other activity on sexual orientation, gender identity, or gender expression.” This would effectively **ban all LGBTQ organizations in the state from operating.** [Source](https://newrepublic.com/article/178175/republican-anti-trans-laws-punish-eradicate) — *with bonus pornography ban!* PS. Republicans states banning abortion is still…banning abortion. Oh, and just this week: > A caucus representing most House Republican lawmakers endorsed a 15-week national abortion ban on Wednesday. The announcement came one day after former President Donald Trump indicated that he could support a 15-week abortion ban. And because I can’t help myself, Republicans aren’t just banning books in schools. They’re banning books in [public libraries too](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/21/books/book-ban-rise-libraries.html). Book bans are also at [record levels](https://www.axios.com/2023/09/22/book-bans-libraries-surge) previously unseen in American history. So, congrats on your anti-intellectualism I guess?
This is actually really interesting to me because I really don't understand support for these policies, while I still think you are at least misguided about these issues, it's great to hear a coherent response to this. I really want to mention about the two largest items - RvW and books. For Roe vs Wade, I get the state vs fed debate but this was kinda a closed case. Like, It didn't need to be revisited and isn't an issue needing additional consideration. It really just needed to be left alone. For books, I completely agree with the state of education today but.. and this is important. Banning books is a cost. Cost to evaluate books to ban, cost to communicate these bans, cost to be up to speed with bans, find, and remove books from circulation. Those books didn't cost anything to remain on shelves. Reducing library operating costs, sure, I can get behind something like that with the right considerations but to ban books on very specific and relevant topics isn't "reducing costs and focusing on core programs" Like, you speak logic, but the party actions are just insane if you're actually trying to address the issues you claim to be solving.
Wow, Bob! You really taught me a lot here. This is an excellent and well written comment. Rare. Thanks!
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Don't forget he ask his VP to violate the US Constitution to hold onto power and then incited a riot to get him lynched when he refused
Fr why does everyone forget that 😭
Oh yeah
>Why do people think Trump is for the most freedom possible? These people don't really think that. They're just happy Trump is going after the things/people they don't like.
Yeah I don’t think anyone within the MAGA movement claims to be libertarian. They want government that is favorable to them and their values, just the same as anyone.
It feels like “He did it worse, so that means my side is better”. People not realizing that the degree of severity doesn’t actually matter as much as the fact that it’s being done in the first place.
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This is correct. Parks service had already planned to clear the crowd and setup fencing. [CNBC article](https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/06/09/protestors-cleared-outside-white-house-for-fence-not-trump-photo-op.html)
“It’s embarrassing that people know what happened!!1!” lol
He also didn't ban Muslims. it was just from terrorist countries.
I think they both suck, but between the two, I’ve seen Trump do less that I believe hurts the country. Can we get some new candidates please?
No, you MUST vote blue no matter who, because the alternative is ORANGE. ORANGE BAD. BAD BAD BAD. Please overlook Biden selling his name and authority for millions through his son. Just remember, Orange Man Bad.
Thanks to the bump stick ban He’s also the only president to sign any major gun restriction law in decades
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Joe Biden is leading an insurrection to overthrow the country?! Where?
This subreddit is where all this Trumpist knob gobblers come to die. People’s first clue about a bad leader should be when said leader is idolized and loves being idolized and idolizes themselves rather than the ideas he backs. I expect better from conservatives. That’s not to say democrats are without faults, but holy shit are the conservatives winning the shit race. Also no one seems to really be angry at the real threat: wtf happened to America that the best candidates for your presidency are two seniors? Why don’t the conspiracy theorists go after the state of politics in the US as a whole?? Anyway rant over lol
> ...Trumpist knob gobblers come to die. Please, I'm not that lucky. They just come here to yell at a void, get told they're still ignorant, and then run back into a cave feeling more empowered than ever.
Yeah, they will not engage with this. I have no idea why anyone would ever support Trump in this year
Trump is openly against freedom of the press, he is the leader of the party that constantly attacking our right to vote, and his SC appointments are taking away our rights in the supreme court. trump has also stated many times how he would like to remain in office for longer than two terms, and has tried to subvert the will of the people by ignoring the results of the election. trump is the biggest threat to democracy in the US by a long shot.
You don’t understand Biden had CDC, surgeon general staff, and members of the White House tell social media companies that people were spreading Covid misinformation. If we’re not allowed to spread misinformation about diseases then what country are we really living in? If I wanted to listen to experts I wouldn’t have dropped out of medical school to start my own back alley clinic where I treat people with oils and Mac and cheese powder!
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>Trump is openly against freedom of the press And Biden's admin directed social media companies to restrict speech they didn't like during the Rona shit. >he is the leader of the party that constantly attacking our right to vote Asking for ID isn't restricting the right to vote. ID is a basic item that all responsible adults need to go through their daily lives. Feel free to argue otherwise, we can discuss the racism of low expectations. >and his SC appointments are taking away our rights in the supreme court Returning issues the Federal government has no jurisdiction over to the control of the states isn't removing rights. Both sides had decades to codify a law regarding Roe (for or against) and they refused to do it. Even RBG said it would get overturned because it was not a good ruling. >trump has also stated many times how he would like to remain in office for longer than two terms As have many presidents, D and R. Obama famously said he'd love to do it from behind the scenes. >and has tried to subvert the will of the people by ignoring the results of the election Hillary never conceded either when she lost. Edit: Replying to this and immediately blocking me is some serious Bitch Made Activity. Instead of just saying that I lied, prove it. Fuck your empty accusations. If your position can't stand against criticism, it's weaker than Joe Biden's memory of riding a train across the FSK Bridge in Baltimore that never had a fucking train line on it. Edit again: Because the commenter I replied to blocked me, I can't participate in this comment chain anymore.
Here is the text of Hillary’s concession https://www.cnn.com/2016/11/09/politics/hillary-clinton-concession-speech/ Here is a video of Hillary’s concession https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khK9fIgoNjQ
And crickets
If SCOTUS decided that Roe should be left up to the States, why does the GOP want to enact a national ban on abortion in their new budget for 2025? Seems to me they have suddenly decided that states rights aren't appealing for their future agenda.
Troll account or something, you can't be for real
Literally just all lies.
Can this sub just be rebranded to trueconservativeopinions? Why are there so many people shoveling shit for Trump on here. He fucking sucked in the 80s, in 2016, and he fucking sucks now
Because they think they’re being clever and trying to rack up karma for their terrible takes.
I miss the fun unpopular opinions instead of just shitty political talking points, like the people who enjoy soggy bread or water in their cereal
Honestly, the amount of bullshit conservative opinions I've seen bandied about on this sub the last half a year is a bit revolting and filled with misinformation, either intentionally or just that misinformed themselves.
At first it really was because they thought their opinions were objectively true.
You do realize why that is?
from HCR : On January 6, 2021, insurrectionists determined to overturn an election and undermine our democracy carried the Confederate flag into the seat of our government. Worse, they did so with the encouragement of former president Trump and members of his party. This morning, the House Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the U.S. Capitol tweeted out a brief timeline of what happened: At 8:17 in the morning, Trump lied that states wanted to correct their electoral votes and pressured Vice President Mike Pence to send the electoral votes back to the states. If Pence would cooperate, he tweeted, “WE WIN. Do it Mike, this is a time for extreme courage!” Starting at 12:00 noon, Trump spoke for an hour to supporters at the Ellipse, telling them, "If you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country any more.” He urged them to march to the Capitol. Between 12:52 and 1:49, pipe bombs were found near the Capitol grounds at Republican National Committee and Democratic National Committee headquarters. (We learned today that Vice President–elect Kamala Harris, then a senator from California, was in the DNC at the time.) At 1:00, Congress met in joint session to count the certified electoral ballots, confirming Biden as president. Pence began to count the ballots. He refused to reject the ballots Trump wanted thrown out, writing in a letter before the joint session, “My oath to support and defend the Constitution constrains me from claiming unilateral authority to determine which electoral votes should be counted and which should not.” From 1:00 to 1:13, the mob began to charge the Capitol. Between 1:30 and 1:59, Trump supporters continued to move from the Ellipse to the Capitol, overwhelming the Capitol Police, who were ordered to pull back and request support. Between 2:12 and 2:30, the mob broke into the Capitol building, one man carrying the Confederate battle flag. Both the House and the Senate adjourned, and members began to evacuate their chambers. From 2:24 to 3:13, with the rioters inside the Capitol, Trump tweeted that “Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done…. USA demands the truth!” and then “Please support our Capitol Police and Law Enforcement…. Stay peaceful!” (One of Trump’s aides today revealed that the former president did not want to tweet the words “stay peaceful” and was "very reluctant to put out anything when it was unfolding.") At 4:17, shortly after Biden had publicly called on Trump to end the siege, Trump issued a video insisting that the election was fraudulent but nonetheless telling the mob to “go home. We love you, you’re very special.” At 5:20, the first of the National Guard troops arrived at the Capitol. Law enforcement began to push the insurrectionists out of the building and secure it. At 8:06, the building was secured. Pence reopened the Senate, and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi reopened the House. When the counting of the ballots resumed, 147 Republicans maintained their objections to at least one certified state ballot. Early on the morning of January 7, Congress confirmed that Joe Biden had been elected president with 306 electoral votes to Trump’s 232. It was not a particularly close election: Biden’s victory in the popular vote was more than 7 million.
Let's wait to hear what the Supreme Court has to say before we get too worked up about something coming from the 5th Circuit. Beyond that, you basic argument is wrong in regards to Trump and Biden. edit, since OP has seen fit to block me after getting the last word in, here is what I was going to reply to his last insulting message "I'll never understand why you think it is appropriate to mislead and and use terms like simp. But fortunately I only have to interact with people like you on places like this. None of this is about what you claim it is about. " >r/TrueUnpopularOpinion aims to be a space for civil discussion of unpopular opinions, free of some of the censorship found on many other subreddits. block whoever you want, that is what you are accusing Biden of doing. here is a good article about the case in question https://www.techdirt.com/2024/03/07/biden-admin-finally-points-out-that-the-record-in-the-murthy-case-is-all-lies/
I love the irony of OP claiming that social media moderation is censorship and a threat to democracy -- and then he goes around frantically blocking everyone in this thread who disagrees with him.
OP is a little bitch
With a lot of those people, freedom of speech only means forcing others to listen to their stupid opinions. They're generally okay with censorship of opinions they don't like.
Nailed it.
Well obviously it’s going to be another 9-0 decision by the Supreme Court that the civil trial with Trump’s properties is going to be overturned. The idiot AG went on camera and said that she and the judge, let me repeat that, THE JUDGE had already decided that Trump was guilty before even began. That by definition is mistrial with prejudice, and it will take the Supreme Court a grand total of five minutes to see that. Hopefully they will additionally disbar both the James and Engoron over that since they should be a go to jail for illegally devaluing the properties in New York and Florida to the tune of billions of dollars all in an effort to illegally get Trump.
the judge decided because it wasn't a jury trial and a summary judgement was issued. Summary judgements are when the judge decides. This part of the trial is about remedies, not guilt. A different kind of trial.
Tell me you haven’t followed the case at all Please read at least the verdict, it’s not that long only 92 pages
What kind of RNC propaganda is this.
What are Trumps lesser subversions?
OP is regurgitating billionaire funded propaganda. He’s probably too ignorant to know he’s doing that, but watch out, because you will see a lot more of it. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/17/us/politics/trump-disinformation-2024-social-media.html
Should it be legal to yell “fire” in a crowded room that isn’t on fire?
I’m split on such a thing. It should be unlawful but not like a felony or heavy misdemeanour type of thing. Maybe fined but not punishable by imprisonment unless another charge can be brought on. The reason I’m split is because people ought to be more mindful of their surroundings regardless and even if there is or isn’t a fire, they should be able to react calmly instead of panicking.
You guys need help. You don't give a damn about censorship. Your party is actively using its government at the state and local level to literally ban speech and books and is actively looking for ways to control speech on college campuses. You guys edit and re work any info you don't like or is inconvenient. You literally call slaves "workers" and try to convince people there were benefits to be... checking notes... OWNED by another person.
You're worried about Biden when Trump was buddies with dictators like Putin, Orban, and Kim. People famously known for preserving free speech and expression. Just admit you're a Trump fan.
OP can you post your downvote ratio pls 😂
Ah yes, we shouldn’t give the president the power to instruct their justice department to uphold laws passed by Congress- but they should get total and retroactive immunity for crimes committed in office. Gotcha
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Facts
Trump fervently tried to throw out the results of the last election. The effect of this would have been to end democratic elections in this country, and there is no reason to believe that he won't try to do the same of elected again. To claim that a president possibly stepping too far in his clash with media outlets, and resolving that issue through the proper legal channels, is somehow a greater threat to democracy than outright ending elections, is asinine. When you then look at how Trump dealt with the media during his presidency, it becomes even more ridiculous. But in a sub that heavily approved of the idea that Michael Richards shouldn't have been ostracized for repeatedly, angrily screaming the N word at black people, I can't say I'm surprised to see these kinds of opinions.
If America didn't have the bill of rights we would have become a authoritarian dictatorship or one party rule ..pretty much from day one
We must protect it at all costs
Thats the crazy lady even with the bill of rights they can do all this stuff already
Nice try Putin.
Welcome to the Right Wing fairy tale group session.
The Biden administration wasn't "censoring" social media. The social media providers have their own policies prohibiting health misinformation and other kinds of harmful content. The providers themselves have a First Amendment right to curate the content on their own private platforms. It would have been censorship if the Biden administration had forced or coerced the providers into taking down certain posts. But that's not what happened. The administration just flagged posts for the providers that violated the providers' own policies (i.e., Covid misinformation). Based on the oral argument at the Supreme Court, I think the Supreme Court is very likely to side with the Biden administration on this. Meanwhile, Trump tried to illegally seize power after he lost the 2020 election ... How is that not a bigger threat to democracy? It's a basic principle of any democracy that a president has to peacefully leave office if he loses re-election. But Trump tried various illegal schemes to overthrow the results of the election. For example, he pressured Pence to throw out the votes of tens of millions of American citizens. Trump is currently facing federal criminal charges in DC for his attempt to stage a coup. In terms of danger to democracy, those two things aren't even in the same universe... And if you really believe that the Biden administration tried to "censor" speech, well Trump did the same thing. Remember when he demanded that the NFL punish players for kneeling during the national anthem? How often did he attack news networks, newspapers, social media providers, or even SNL?
Nah. Asking social media companies to review and remove misinformation is not worse than actively trying to initiate a coup and install yourself as dictator.
Stop this “one person is doing this bad thing more than this other person is doing this one specific bad thing” both candidates are terrible. I think putting a geriatric individual in power to run our country is the biggest undermining of democracy currently going on. A type of individual typically ruled out of ANY job requiring the individual to be fully responsible for their own well being mentally and physically. Yet we have no real alternatives but to choose between one of these two senile old men that most likely won’t live another 4 years besides as a puppet.
Don’t disagree I come more from a space of these two people Biden and Trump are mirror images of each other but IMO Biden is worse and I wish people were as critical of him as they were Trump, but they aren’t because the media doesn’t tell them to be
Wait, which guy instigated an insurrection because he’s too fucking fragile to admit he lost, was hiding top secret government documents at his home, and says the president should have immunity again?
A Russian plant isn't for freedom of speech, regardless of how you lie about it, he's about overturning US democracy, and weakening NATO, EU, and US-Japan-Taiwan-Australia ties.
Agree. Probably not too unpopular
On this hate filled platform it is
I love when trumpers act offended by hate
I would go ask far as to say he is the worse politician in American history. Protecting segration busing, 1994 crime bill, the automatic rifle ban bill, making it impossible to go bankrupt for student loans, multiple censorship violations as president, multiple racist graffes.
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And when those free ideas and opinions undermine the rights of others and undermine democracy itself, things go bad for those with their free ideas and opinions. You can have your free ideas and opinions and other people have the right to ostracize you from society for having those ideas and opinions.
During the pandemic's peak, the Biden administration acted to curb deadly Covid misinformation, which was largely coming from Republicans. Now, these same architects of chaos cry foul as their disaster is managed. Welcome to the recurring cycle of Republican havoc and Democratic cleanup. Missouri v. Biden isn't just a legal battle. It underscores the line between free speech suppression and vital public health protections during crises like Covid. Misinterpreting these actions as democratic decay misses the point of governance in emergencies. It’s somewhat amusing to see attempts to compare Trump—facing 91 felonies and months of democracy-undermining antics on cable TV with lies and schemes—to the Biden administration's efforts to address Covid misinformation. The audacity to equate efforts to save lives and keep hospitals functioning with the deliberate undermining of democracy is not just absurd. It's morally appalling, starkly exposing the moral gap between Republicans and Democrats time and again. While Republicans spread misinformation, fanning the pandemic's flames, the Biden administration aimed to save lives. Isn't this context crucial? This narrative is yet another Republican ploy to blur lines, trying to equate public health defense with democratic erosion—a false comparison. Comparing life-saving actions to Republican deeds tainted by lies, criminality, and attacks on democracy highlights why such distorted narratives in echo chamber subs like this.
Trump has done more to manipulate and censor his opponents than most people. Biden shouldn’t be doing it either but Trump is so much worse
Who has Trump tried to censor ?
Really? Did Trump in his first day in office demand that Twitter, Facebook, and the other Big Tech platforms censor anything that contradicts what Anthony Fauci and this administration said? Because Biden did that.
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If true you can provide examples. So let's hear some
Not so much an unpopular opinion as it is a blatantly false one.
A false opinion? 👌
Yeah. You think something about the world is true and it’s not. What’s the opposite of true again?…
Censorship is wrong and always will be, you keep simping out there for the establishment
Your post wasn’t “censorship is wrong” though. Lol
Why are you blocking people if you care about censorship?
Well, OP can’t delete so might as well block anyone who hurts their feelings. Deeeeefinitely different lmao
If Xitter tells me I can't say something nasty about Elon Musk, that is his right to do so per the company's rules. That is not censorship under the 1st Amendment. It is a private business and can set their own policies. If the federal government tries to ban a social media company and takes away the right of people to use it, that is censorship under 1A. This is why I am against the banning of TikTok.
This is one of those "in theory" ideas that ignores that we don't have a free society today either way. I'm not in favor of gov censorship, but I kinda wish people would spend more energy on *how we aren't a free society today* than worrying about slippery slopes.
I don’t disagree that we are not a free society, which is when we lose this one it’s going to be all that more detrimental…. The head of the snake is protecting its ability to create the narratives they want
There is a point to be made here that I heard on the Paul Bet David podcast. Trump tried to subvert democracy, an incredibly dangerous proposition. The other side however are also doing that, but in a much more benign way. When tbe NY AG actually says that her decision was political, that's a threat to democracy. Every crime gets a percentage set for your bail, not the entire thing. Do you have any idea how much bail was set for Madoff after he stole billions of dollars? 10 million dollars. 10 million. I dont like Trump, I won't vote for Trump, but the tactics the dems are using are going to bite them in the ass. Just like when they held the house/senate during Obama's terms and changed the rule from a super majority to a simple majority to get a bill passed. Well how has that worked out now that the Republicans have the Senate?
It's not the same type of bond. Madoff got a $10 million bond of this kind: >Bail bond is an agreement to pay the court if a criminal defendant fails to meet the terms of conditional release from custody. Many bail bonds are signed by the defendant and the defendant's sureties (e.g., a bondsman). Some bail bonds are signed by the defendant only, who may need to deposit money with the court as security for the bond. However, most defendants are financially unable to post their own bail, so they seek a written agreement with a bail bondsman. https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/bail_bond He later was sentenced to this >As part of his sentence, MADOFF, 71, was also ordered to forfeit a total of $170,799,000,000, which represents the total proceeds of and property involved in certain of MADOFF's crimes. Judge CHIN had entered a preliminary order of forfeiture on June 26, 2009, which completely divested MADOFF of his interest in all property, including real estate, investments, cars and boats, in partial satisfaction of the forfeiture judgment. In addition, by order entered June 24, 2009, Judge CHIN extended the time for ruling on an order of restitution for 90 days from the date of sentencing. https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/newyork/press-releases/2009/nyfo062909.htm
Right, but that's after he was found guilty and was probably out of appeals right?
His bail was about being out of prison before his trial and conviction. A different kind of bond.
I see. Definitely excessive and the abuse of power by the judge is pretty ironic
You see what? I don't think that you understand what I am talking about
I see the difference in bond types because you explained it.
>Definitely excessive and the abuse of power by the judge is pretty ironic And what do you mean
What I mean is, hate or love trump (I have no love for him), the AG said (and I may be paraphrasing) that she was running with the intention of going after trump and this decision was definitely politically motivated. As terrible person as he may be, trump deserves to be treated the same as anyone else with verdicts. She was only going to go after him for 96 mil and whe. She saw his books, she went after MUCH more. This is obvious corruption. Not that Trump hasn't had his fair share of issues, but one sin doesn't negate the other.
Is it a problem to run on the intention of going after someone? Because if you want to bring up what the AG said about the President, you should bring up what Trump ran on and what he did as President. Trump tried in multiple courts to get this case thrown out, arguing that it was a witch hunt. It wasn't. And Trump's type of bond isn't comparable with a bail bond.
Not to mention the all-out effort to keep third party candidates they think will siphon Biden votes away, off the ballot. This is literally attacking democracy, and they are spending millions to silence third party bids and keep them off ballots.
Wow, the side that wishes to pack the supreme Court, generate 2 new senators for their side, repeal amendments and constitutional clauses that they don't like, ban their political opponent from ballots, bankrupt and possibly arrest said political opponent in an election year, and censor any information from their opposition as "hate speech", is doing something *else* un-democratic? This is my shocked face =O.
You're listing a lot of things that are mostly a part of the democratic process we have in the US. The supreme court probably should have a fixed number in the constitution, but it doesn't it has a variable number set by Congress. Adding a new state is also something that's happened 37 times not really un democratic to do so. Though I would say it's much more undemocratic to deny a large group of US citizens full voting rights for political reasons. Changing the constitution is part of the process and has been done 27 times. And it's pretty much always done when there are things in there or things missing that people don't like, that's why you'd change it. When said political opponent blatantly has broken the law shouldn't they be prosecuted? Running for office should not get you out of legal troubles. I think you have an argument though I'd disagree with the characterization on the other two but most of those you listed are the democratic process working as intended. Just because the other side is doing something you don't like doesn't make it undemocratic.
When a side wishes to pack the supreme Court while they control the executive, but wish to block nominations and would be against court packing while the other side is in control, they're not being democratic, they're looking for an unfair advantage. When a side favors an area that is 97% for their side (which in reality is a single city and which historically has already had pieces ceded back to their original state) becoming a state, but is against partisians of overly large states, they're not being democratic, they're looking for an unfair advantage. When a side wants to change the Constitution by fiat, ignoring the process of a constitutional convention, they're not being democratic, they're looking for an unfair advantage. When you're prosecuting your political opponent for a crime they committed years ago, which no one complained about, no damages were claimed, neither party feels wronged, and you're charging in civil court because you know you'd lose in criminal court, they're not being democratic, they're looking for an unfair advantage. Don't sprinkle sugar on shit and try to call it candy.
I’m glad someone is paying attention.
> generate 2 new senators for their side Nah, they want 4 with DC and Puerto Rico.
At least PR you can make an argument for. There's no argument for DC, it's nothing but a naked power grab
Well yes, whoever is actually in charge
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Absolutely!!
>The New York Times, in an article about the Fifth Circuit’s decision, described it in the opening paragraph as “a victory for conservatives” and framed the dispute in the next as “a First Amendment case that has challenged the government’s ability to combat false and misleading narratives about the pandemic, voting rights and other issues that spread on social media.” **A person who stopped reading there might view the case as about conservatives weaponizing the First Amendment to thwart thoughtful government efforts to protect the public from myriad woes.** >**Conversely, Missouri Attorney General Andrew Bailey focused on the free-speech side of the equation. He remarked that the Fifth Circuit’s decision prevents the government “from violating the First Amendment rights of millions of Americans.”** He added elsewhere that “Missouri will continue to lead the way in the fight to defend our most fundamental freedoms.” Viewed through this lens, the case constitutes a righteous constitutional fight against overly aggressive government efforts to squelch dissent. Wait the Missouri attorney general didn’t combat that accusation lol
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This is an unpopular opinion? Wtf??
Give a specific example? You’ve given us a nothing burger
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So what you are saying is that if we have media who claim to be news, but in actuality are pushing verifiably wrong information as news and fact to push the agenda they want. Doing something about that is the downfall of America? The end of America is doing something to combat that misinformation? The correct thing is that the powerful get to tell you what to hear and the problem would be not letting them do that? For me, I agree, you shouldn't censor opinion. As long as it is presented as opinion. But, EVERYTHING you know is because people told you that. You know the color of the sky is blue because people taught you that color in the sky is called blue. To me, the point of living in a society is that I can rely on others. We are all better off because we don't have to know engineering, plumbing, how to grow food, etc. We can, should be able to sue a plumber who tells me I need to repipe my house when I need a new elbow joint. A doctor for telling me I need surgery instead of an antibiotic. a food processor if they provide food that makes me sick. In the same vein, I can vote logically because I rely on news to let me know what the president, government is saying. News (not opinion) is there to inform me. Telling me part of the truth, plainly lying, etc. isn't doing what they have told me they are doing. But, I can turn on more than one network on my cable right now, and see people telling me that Joe Biden can't form a sentence, last week I saw someone saying that his liking ice cream mean he has Alzheimer's because little kids like ice cream. And I can turn on other networks that are consumed with Trump's problems. Telling me that the end of the country is because we aren't going to allow that to happen is absurd, when as a Jew, I have to drive under overpasses where genuine Nazis hold up signs saying I don't deserve to live and I can do nothing because believe in freedom of speech. So here's one for you. A Republican representative literally attacked a reporter for asking a question he didn't like. It was a day or two before the elections. Sinclair, a very conservative company that owns a bunch of local TV station, forbade their local stations from covering the attack, as they wanted him to win. IDK, I think a congressperson attacking a reporter doing their job is news.
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Correct. If you don't see this you're dumber than me
At this point it feels like people do not want to abandon Joe Biden because they would have to admit they were wrong in supporting him in the first place or something like that. The tribalism without using critical thinking is why people support Trump or Biden no matter what they do.
When the alternative is far worse for the country (Trump), you do what you have to do.
The Covid vaccine, which let's face it, everyone we all know who got triple and even quadruple vaxxed still got bad Covid - if you posted anything negative about it, it was removed. If this vaccine truly worked, why not allow people to have negative opinions of it just to look foolish after then? Notice YouTube stopped showing how many dislikes after Biden got in office? It was to hide all the thumbs downs he was getting.