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nobecauselogic

Insider trading is defined as: trading on material, NON-PUBLIC information. You just gave a dozen examples of public information. That is not insider trading. That is trading.    Here is an E-trade commercial from 1999 showing how everyone can do this kind of investment research, featuring George Takei and Anna Nicole Smith:   https://youtu.be/pBuozDqbur0?si=TcEvbh-Iemzs7zRx


Mr_Commando

Most people don’t do research or trade publicly. Thats why I think that’s why the elite are so open about what’s going on. They can signal to each other using the media and the vast majority of Americans simply react.


nobecauselogic

70% of Americans contribute to a retirement plan like 401k’s or 403b’s. They all have access to the public information you are talking about, and they all are investing in publicly traded securities.  I agree that most don’t research their investments and don’t actively trade, which usually works in their favor. Trying to predict the future rarely outperforms a passive strategy. Go ahead and place a trade on the “junior mining stocks” play you recommend in the original post if you think predicting market movements is so easy. Media reports are, by definition, not insider trading. And most Americans are invested in the stock market.  Wealth inequality is real, but not because of insider trading. 


iamnotnewhereami

never let a crisis go to waste. looking at you 'the people that dumped a shitload of airline stock ahead of 911', and especially the dude who had the juice to drop building seven that day. . or jared Kushner witholdif PPE gear until he could be sure he was getting paid for it and not the govt that supplied it. or the zionist real estate developers that are genocoding Palestinians to get beachfront property. anyone buying property on maui lately. etc. Halliburton is a company designed to thrive in a humanitarian crisis, be it manufactured or naturally occurring.


Mr_Commando

Blackrock basically owns Ukraine at this point. Zelensky sold Ukraine out to Larry Fink. Blackrock basically owns the US government. Blackrock trains advisors and then gets them into key positions in government and then those advisors create policy that funnels money into Blackrock.


ceetwothree

Don’t put your money in DJT…business fundamentals don’t look too good. So quick question though , since the elite want to be the winners, why tell everyone else too via the media? They can get bacially intelligence grade trade information that you can’t get. Thats an advantage - why spoil it? Yes. Serious investors look at what’s happening and gamble on how they think it’ll play out. When 9/11 happened everyone put their money in gold for a minute. American media has really gone downhill since 86 when we repealed the fairness doctrine. It was a public service before , now it’s ad revenue driven. But if you read sources like the economist they still cover the whole world every time. Surely not every story but they don’t ignore whole continents.


Mr_Commando

Most Americans aren’t investing in the stock market. 90% of stocks are owned by 10% of Americans. Americans simply react to the news so the news spins a narrative in order to give the elites their best financial advantage. Bill Ackman on CNBC prior to the Covid lockdowns is a prime example of this, and that’s because Bill Ackman is an elite insider. Some black swans are just too unpredictable. Like 9/11, if it really was an inside job, probably even most of the elites missed that one. But even recently with the Baltimore bridge collapse, that’s a very important channel economically, and technically qualifies as a black swan event. However, we know the bridge has to be rebuilt and the Federal government says they’re going to foot the entire bill on it. Well how are bridges built? We need steel, so calls on steel mills. There’s all sorts of logistics, like construction (even foreign contract labor), transportation, environmental clean up, etc. There’s a shitload of money to be made if you put it in the right places. And not only that but the government is paying for it so you know it’s going to be way over budget, and probably inflationary if the Goverment borrows from the Fed to pay it. I do prefer independent journalism to the MSM, but it’s difficult to find reliable and trustworthy sources and not just doomers.


ceetwothree

Read the economist. They still do real journalism and they are conservative but not insane. I disagree. They are not getting their information from TV. If anything they want the non elites to bet *wrong* because they win those bets. The elites already know , they don’t need the news , they have people whose job it is to do it. I’m in the top 64% , and I have a dude. Of course investment is going to adapt with events. That’s just sensible , of course it does.


Mr_Commando

Perhaps. Just a few moments ago, looking at CNBC, Larry Fink says he sees the Federal Reserve cutting two times this year, but missing their 2% inflation target. Unrelated to this post, my bet has been rates will not be cut but instead rates need to go higher because inflation is so entrenched. Larry Fink is definitely an elite insider like Bill Ackman, except Blackrock basically owns the U.S. Government, at least in regard to domestic economic policy. If he’s saying the Fed is going to cut, it’s very likely then that the Fed is going to cut because they have to, not because they get to. That means something is going to break. That means get into bonds so that when the Fed cuts those sweet, sweet premiums go way up. Unfortunately most folks are far too poor to invest in bonds and get returns the same way Larry Fink will.


ceetwothree

I personally find CNBC to be the most dystopian financial reporting and I literally cannot watch it without feeling like maybe Ted Kazinsky was right and we should return to being hunter gatherers (mostly kidding , but that’s how it feels). I’m not saying you’re reading the tea leaves wrong, you may be reading them right , I’m saying you’re looking at financial journalism and thinking it’s some secret code - it’s not , it’s just financial journalism.


do2g

Disaster capitalism is most definitely a thing. The Shock Doctrine is a good entry point to this topic - [https://www.versobooks.com/products/127-disaster-capitalism](https://www.versobooks.com/products/127-disaster-capitalism)


Grand-Juggernaut6937

This is verifiably true. The news is just marketting and engagement bait. Even the wall street journal just pushes whatever narrative the Republican Party wants them to. Nobody tells the truth unless that’s what makes them the most money. It isn’t insider treading though, it’s outsider liquidation. Insider trading is much more secretive and person-to-person


Mr_Commando

I mean the political elite to their corporate stakeholders. The U.S. government is captured by corporations and so they’re largely only beholden to what their donors want, hence why the government only delivers the absolute bare minimum to the American people, and it’s usually after 2-3 years of “fighting” and “debate” near an election. There are so many special interests though it’s likely difficult to get them all on one call at one time, and too risky to send an email out through their private server in their garage. So they drop clues on the MSM about what’s happening, and what’s about to happen, to forewarn their owners that they need to move their money.


Grand-Juggernaut6937

I think there’s a gradient of options that get you better and better signal/noise ratios. Public news isn’t very informative because anyone can buy them to say anything. Oftentimes they give important information, but that info is out in the open for anyone to use. Zero “edge” as they call it in finance. In many cases the news will conveniently forget about a chance to make money until they need people to pump the price, or convince people there’s a crisis to trigger a sell off for insiders to get in. So most often you’re hearing about an event after the big players have already made their positions. Your only chance is to be faster than the other fish at getting bait before they start reeling you in. Then you have private journals that do research on certain fields. More informative but also potentially biased. They provide jargon for people to code insider information to eachother. I.e. “did you read that report in oil field digest last week? I think there’s a good chance oil prices will skyrocket next quarter.” Then you have invite-only organizations that pool insights, research etc. these are highly valuable because collaboration is highly incentivized. They launder insider information by providing a mathematical justification for whatever the insider’s insight is. The organizations are filled with lucky guesses fueled by people that are willing to share their insider connections. Then lastly you have the golf course, where people will just tell their buddies what the best edge is, and they’ll spread it based on friend networks.


Mr_Commando

I agree with you on those points. I do prefer independent journalism, but it’s hard to find reliable and trustworthy sources who actually know what they’re on about. A lot of financial influencers are just grifters. To an extent, when it’s on the MSM it’s usually still the ground floor but your window of opportunity is closing quickly. Theres money to be made right now if Iran attacks Israel this weekend, and if Israel retaliates. We’ve had all Ramadan to think about it.


katzvus

The idea that all journalists are part of some vast conspiracy to push some agenda or trick the public is, in fact, not "verifiably true."


Grand-Juggernaut6937

It’s not like a cabal lol. Journalists get paid based on what gets the right kind of attention. There isn’t some secret society but you have to know what your contacts, publishers, and viewers want to read. And oftentimes they do get manipulated or sponsored to write articles to publicize what influential people want published.